John Denver live at Windstar Symposium - Wandering Soul (1995, RARE)

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  • @dmarett2498
    @dmarett2498 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    No one ever put more love into their music than this man

  • @earthangel2182
    @earthangel2182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    2020 and he is teaching us from the otherside. Peace in the world starts with peace in your heart. Love wins. Beautiful John 💗

  • @aidanrozcicha3781
    @aidanrozcicha3781 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One of a kind. Grew up listening to him. When he left, he left a huge hole in so many hearts. God bless him, his family and faithful fans.

  • @azcrum
    @azcrum 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    His music is so healing 🙏♥️. I so wish he were here now in 2020.

  • @maureenkerr234
    @maureenkerr234 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Even after all these years, we still feel the loss of his soul.

  • @Doggitobella
    @Doggitobella หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    His music which is timeless,comes from his heart and goes out to all our hearts. That’s why we love him so much. He is FOREVER ……in our hearts and lives. He will never ever be forgotten!❤️🎼🌹🙏🏻🦅🐋🏔️

  • @NancyHanson3472
    @NancyHanson3472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Jason Wang: Thank you so much for posting this. I'm viewing this for the first time in July 2022. Thanks for helping to keep John Denver's music alive by sharing this with us. I'm sure that I will be back to view it again and again in the future, since I really miss not being able to see John in concert and this is the next best thing. Luckily, while he was alive, I lived in Southern California and was blessed to see him live many times. I am sure that his soul lives on.

  • @physicssingularity
    @physicssingularity 11 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I thank God for John Denver and his music. It has been with me and has spoken to my soul in some of the best and darkest times of my life.

  • @ndog2005
    @ndog2005 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Never forgot the day John left this earth, for the earth sure took a huge loss ..

  • @catherineclark8156
    @catherineclark8156 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Wow, John Denver and Peter Kater what a perfect and beautiful combination of heart felt talent. I love many of John Denvers songs but none have touched my heart and soul quite like this one. John thank you and RIP, Peter mahalo and aloha!

  • @gloriaertel2463
    @gloriaertel2463 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Precious, beautiful, loving John Denver...…..Miss him more every day...God Bless...RIP 12/30/19

  • @gloriaertel5964
    @gloriaertel5964 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Loving me some of John Denver..........His smile, his songs, his Remarkable voice.........God Bless you John Denver...RIP my friend..3/21/20

  • @brunsi63
    @brunsi63 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So moving... tears every time I hear this. Such a beautiful heartcry for humanity...

  • @paolacolombini
    @paolacolombini 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Sooooo love this song and this man! Thank you John Denver, I know you are still singing for us .... we just need to listen inside our heart!

  • @penelopeannecreighton2684
    @penelopeannecreighton2684 11 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Simply beautiful. It speaks to my soul. Love is the only worthy reason for being, and why we were created.

  • @havingalotafun
    @havingalotafun 9 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    "Suddenly the Mystery is Clear, that Love is Only Letting Go of Fear. Love is the Answer and Love is the Way, Love is in Knowing Just What to Do and What to Say, and Love is the Reason and Love is the Why and Love is in Heaven Right Here on Earth, and Peace Inside. Inside your Heart Deep in Your Soul, Within each Part and in the Whole. Love is the Answer..........." sharing this video on FB

    • @eimondi53
      @eimondi53 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      💞💖♥️💓💕

  • @AndreaKoerner-g9z
    @AndreaKoerner-g9z 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Still listening to John in 2024. Rest in Peace, John. God bless you. Miss you so much. 😢❤

  • @audreysmith834
    @audreysmith834 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Wow! What a voice. What a song. What a man and what a loss to mankind. Miss you, John, the friend I never met. ❤

  • @gloriasapp5468
    @gloriasapp5468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    John Denver, one of my top 5 singers of all time. He was such a talented man. His voice could reach the depth of my. soul. Gone far too soon!

  • @revkate601
    @revkate601 13 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I worked on the crew during this symposium, specifically during the concert. John said he was singing this song for the first time at that symposium ('95), and he had written it during a stay with friends at a meditation center in Arizona.The song is dedicated to Jerry Jampolsky, who wrote the book "Love Is Letting Go Of Fear." I don't know anything about the '92 date.

    • @1szera
      @1szera 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jose and Lena Stephen's place, "The Power Path". Wise and lovely couple in New Mexico. Jose shared the story once.

  • @1bol390
    @1bol390 10 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    His soul has found a home in our hearts

  • @cindybell9320
    @cindybell9320 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Such a beautiful song. Wish I had a recording of it.

  • @wanderesintime
    @wanderesintime 12 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    How much we need the truth of this song in times like these.
    Indeed: love is only letting go of fear.
    John was one of the good guys... Miss him so much...

  • @lauriechaisson2298
    @lauriechaisson2298 8 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I love every song he wrote and sang. This song however, I believe is his Best work. If only the world could rid itself of fear, perhaps one day we could all be loving and live in peace. It starts with each of us. He definitely was gone too soon...and so very missed.

  • @peacealone11
    @peacealone11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Was a great fan of John's since the end of the 60s. This was
    beyond beautiful.

  • @imgrandmacarol
    @imgrandmacarol 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Everything I would say about this song and this amazing, gifted, beloved man had already been said, so I'll just add my kudos for this beautiful song! Wished it had been recorded so I wouldn't have to come to youtube to 'get my fix'! God Bless, John!

  • @bettykeutzer6051
    @bettykeutzer6051 9 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    This is such a profoundly beautiful song....touches every part of my spirit soul. Lyrics are so special putting love above everything else. Hope everyone can experience this type of love and spirit! God bless this man who had so many beautiful qualities and talents!

  • @veronicaperricone5777
    @veronicaperricone5777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wish to God that John was still with us, but he is not! His music will never be forgotten, and I will never stop missing his beautiful and magnificent voice! Rest in the arms of God my dear friend!

  • @anjasagan392
    @anjasagan392 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Absolutely magnificent. What a gifted and pure soul he is/was

  • @trekdiane
    @trekdiane 11 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was at Choices that year....a love fest indeed..

  • @IsaSte-forever
    @IsaSte-forever 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    His voice so pure and the words of his songs connect me with the afterline where my husband has also lived for 3 years. The love sung by John unites our souls with all those who loved him and continue to love him!! R. I. P. my dear JOHN !! God bless you!!💓💓✨i am ISABELLA from italy (Stefano was my husband)

  • @shaktimamichelebrien
    @shaktimamichelebrien 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was in the audience that night, a magical, life-affirming experience.

  • @raziablanchard2711
    @raziablanchard2711 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Gone too soon yet always remembered by all his beautiful and meaningful songs. What an Amazing Being. Definitely gone much toooooo soon

  • @spennithorne1
    @spennithorne1 11 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    JD was a man with a loving Old Soul, spiritually advanced, and full of grace

  • @trekdiane
    @trekdiane 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was there that year...so much going on...the energy in the room was palpable....I so miss John but this helps...thanks so much for posting this...

  • @CelesteHope693
    @CelesteHope693 11 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I grew up singing his songs, in young adulthood, his music changed my life on very core levels. Through John, i learned that there is no such thing as one person winning while another loses, we all win, or we all lose, and we do it together whether we know it or not. So many of my favorite songs of his are almost impossible to find- "What One Man Can Do", "It's About Time", "Heart to Heart"- John lived what he believed, totally congruent in his truth, in the truth that most people avoid. We are "All in this together", this huge experiment of life, of earth, of love and eachother. I miss him so much, and I wish I knew of a way to gather all his rare songs together I want to sing, and to share. So many beautiful songs I don't get to hear, or can't find a good recording of. (Thank you for this one!) Bless all of you, Bless John, Bless the earth, and thank you God for all of these gifts, for eachother, and for Love.

    • @paulineh4019
      @paulineh4019 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Beautiful words Celeste

    • @sherriroberson7993
      @sherriroberson7993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Try Ebay or UK Amazon, I tried to get as many of his DVD'S and CD'S. I do not have much money, but I was able to get a lot of quality items from Ebay and UK Amazon. I had every one of his albums until my son became angry that I moved. He destroyed all of them before I could move them. Now I'm on a mission to getting them back. I do not know why most of his albums are not on CD's. I do wish I had a record player, so I could get the albums. Too expensive. I'm a Air Force Brat, I heard him in the early 70's, when after coming back to the USA. I know how he felt like growing up and not staying in one spot. I miss him and the music that he could have done. I hope this helps you to find what you want. Love you John and Bless you.

  • @thaumaturgist99
    @thaumaturgist99 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    what a wonderful song, thank you John for writing/singing and Jason for posting it

  • @lakb45
    @lakb45 11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Never, ever heard this one, but like most John Denver dings, I get it. He surely shares his soul. Miss him forever.

  • @blackberry-4137
    @blackberry-4137 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Beautiful. Soul. Sensitivity .... Compassion ....DEEEP. ..... Thank you. John. Denver. Celestial. Soul ..!!

  • @joannereczka6826
    @joannereczka6826 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I heard this for the first time today and it’s magic.

  • @Curlybird998
    @Curlybird998 13 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow. R.I.P. and know you are remembered. You made a difference.

  • @CoreaKixx420
    @CoreaKixx420 9 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Too magnificent for words!!! The man was truly a legend. He was an incredibly sensitive, and profoundly philisophical human being. We lost the man...but his spirit will live on forever in his beautiful, and powerful compositions. Thanks for this!!!

  • @miraclemeditations3919
    @miraclemeditations3919 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a loss for humanity. We could definitely use John Denver at the present moment. He was surely "done too soon."

  • @marmar92828
    @marmar92828 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another JD song that I'm unfamiliar with. That's pretty rare, since I've listened to his music for the past 30 years or so and know almost all the words to almost all the songs...even the obscure ones! This is another gem. How I miss him and his wonderful music.

  • @1bol390
    @1bol390 14 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    OMG ! What a Talent he was and IS !

  • @heavenlyhost3
    @heavenlyhost3 13 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you God for sharing with us the beloved gifted John Denver. We wish we could of had him longer here with us on the Earth. While he was here he gifted many of us with great memories. Through his music he still lives on.
    Dolores~ love the mountains too

  • @1bol390
    @1bol390 14 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I wish "they" would release an album of songs like these! What an AWESOME performance! We miss you John Denver!

  • @MoreNancyMore1
    @MoreNancyMore1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    YES, Love is the Answer, The Way Inside. You are a loving Role Model, John, and may I Live the Love you sang of in my Heart and create more Heaven on Earth and Earth in Heaven. I sure miss you, my Mr. West Virginia.

  • @crauckis
    @crauckis 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is so beautiful.

  • @michaellea7150
    @michaellea7150 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I grew up with his music and as I got older his music helped me get through some rough times when he died I lost a good friend who shared my life thank God we have his music to continue our lives thanks JOhn

  • @yezzamalicad4880
    @yezzamalicad4880 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    JOHN,,, YOU ARE A HERO OF THE NATURE WITH YOUR SONGS

  • @anythinglovecanbuy
    @anythinglovecanbuy  15 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks! I believe the lyrics were written by John himself. Really beautiful and touching.

  • @gracebalch
    @gracebalch 15 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks. This is a better quality than the other versions of this video I've seen. I wish that the JD Archive people would release his Windstar concerts on DVD.

  • @michellewimmer7957
    @michellewimmer7957 9 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    OMG! Amazing... I never heard this... it makes my heart explode! Miss you JD...

    • @heatherwardale8864
      @heatherwardale8864 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It certainly does! Blows one away! Amazing!

  • @tamarschwartz4247
    @tamarschwartz4247 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    such a soulful and lovely song, and I love this performance... thanks for posting....

  • @lgblanton
    @lgblanton 15 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a lovely, unexpected find today. Thank you for posting this song. I have shared it on my FB page... remembering the loving, passionate voice of my dear "soul brother" John.
    "Can there ever be heaven on earth and peace inside?"

  • @karibari43
    @karibari43 12 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The best song ever written in my opinion! Thank you John and for these awesome videos!

  • @SilverMountainGirl
    @SilverMountainGirl 15 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "In this magic hour between the dark and the dawn... in the space between the silence and the song... suddenly the mystery is clear - that love is only letting go of fear." Stunning lyrics! THANK YOU!

  • @TenniswithTerry
    @TenniswithTerry 9 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Beautiful, an inspiration to us all. Love, Peace and Kindness

  • @timsmoker6697
    @timsmoker6697 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this.......Powerful!!!

  • @sheldonwilliamshalladay6868
    @sheldonwilliamshalladay6868 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Absolutely lovely..... words of pure truth and song with a Devine spirit. Thank you man for sending this to me💜🕊💜

  • @TheZAMBONILADY
    @TheZAMBONILADY 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    John would have been 70 tomorrow. God I miss him.

  • @jencom1971
    @jencom1971 13 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Simply breathtaking. Watched with tears in my eyes the whole time!

  • @CaroJDfan
    @CaroJDfan 12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Beautiful song written for a wonderful man, peace on earth!!! LOVE YOU JD!!!!

  • @LightXpressions
    @LightXpressions 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That love is only letting go of fear! says it all!

  • @543dp3555
    @543dp3555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    JD. The best there ever was.

  • @catlynnearkin8825
    @catlynnearkin8825 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Imiss him everyday since we loss him that day. 😢

  • @ltd912
    @ltd912 13 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I believe that this would have become JD's signature song had he lived long enough to make a "perfect" version!

  • @stephenphillips6470
    @stephenphillips6470 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    thank you such a good quality recording. I was there that day and my tapes have degraded. Terrific

  • @ndog2005
    @ndog2005 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gorgeous. fought tears, not only a great singer but a great person. Left this earth way to soon..

  • @DealioTV
    @DealioTV 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Unbelievable words here Wow speechless

  • @nursie216
    @nursie216 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Miss your beautiful soul and music! Forever a fan...

  • @lindadennison409
    @lindadennison409 11 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    To me, this is John's signature song.

  • @1bol390
    @1bol390 14 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I can only "click" like. I wanna "click" LOVE !

  • @chrisbaven
    @chrisbaven 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    💚💚💚 - Thank God for this man!

  • @VirgilDavis
    @VirgilDavis 11 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    God I miss him.....

    • @Imapeach1
      @Imapeach1 11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Everything this man believed in was in his music and lyrics. RIP Henry John Duchendorf....you are missed!

    • @dianebanowetz2350
      @dianebanowetz2350 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Miss him so much, too.

    • @stop_and_smell_the_roses
      @stop_and_smell_the_roses 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Virgil Davis
      I just checked your page and your cover of the dance is right up there with the inspirational spirit that Denvers song holds. You have a talent sir, and i thank you for sharing it. Some inspirational pieces, like this Denver song and your musical cover will only be heard by few as I had never heard of this Denver song before. But those few who hear it are blessed for it.

    • @VirgilDavis
      @VirgilDavis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stop_and_smell_the_roses thank you kind sir!

  • @vickyfabian7186
    @vickyfabian7186 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the song n the strong message is very touching. Jd will always be in my heart.

  • @steveflickinger3199
    @steveflickinger3199 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I love this song. Thanks for posting it. John Denver at his soulful best.

  • @gloriaertel5964
    @gloriaertel5964 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another wonderful day listening to John Denver..........So beautiful...1/31/20

  • @gloriaertel2463
    @gloriaertel2463 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Omg! the words to this song.....Love. Love

  • @johnstevenson5729
    @johnstevenson5729 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    beautiful!

  • @verber7104
    @verber7104 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Merci ....
    il entre dans ma vie depuis 3 mois .. seulement ... . L'émotion me submerge par tant de beauté . Il est FABULEUX . Merci Jason ... merci .

  • @joannereczka6826
    @joannereczka6826 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In this magic hour of softening light
    The moments in between the day and the night
    The instant when all shadows disappear
    The distance in between the love and the fear
    There's a longing deep within the wandering soul
    It's like the half that understands it once was whole
    Like the two who only dream of being one
    Like the moon whose only light is in the sun
    There's a danger in forever looking outside
    You start to believe that all your prayers have been denied
    And you forget the sound of your own name
    And thus begins the suffering and the pain
    I wanted an answer, I wanted a way
    I wanted to know just what to do and what to say
    I wanted a reason, I want(ed) to know why
    Can there never be heaven right here on Earth and peace inside
    Inside my heart
    Deep in my soul
    Within each part
    And in the whole
    There's a promise in the journeys of the mind
    You begin to believe that there are miracles you will find
    And that someday you'll remember who you are
    The seed within a bright and shining star
    That's like the flame that lives within a hungering heart
    That only awaits a gift of love for it to spark
    Into a fire that burns forever, endlessly
    Like the river that can't help but meet the sea
    In this magic hour between the dark and the dawn
    In the space between the silence and the song
    Suddenly the mystery is clear
    That love is only letting go of fear
    Love is the answer and love is the way
    Love is in knowing just what to do and what to say
    And love is the reason, love is the why
    And love is in heaven right here on Earth and peace inside
    Inside your heart
    Deep in your soul
    Within each part
    And in the whole
    Love is the answer and love is the way
    Love is in knowing just what to do and what to say
    Love is the reason, love is the why
    And love is in heaven right here on Earth and peace inside

  • @evesaizan7929
    @evesaizan7929 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Perfection.

  • @dustyjames9688
    @dustyjames9688 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So Exquisitely Perfect!

  • @NewYorkBeliever777
    @NewYorkBeliever777 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it's great to find those songs not found often

  • @anythinglovecanbuy
    @anythinglovecanbuy  15 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for commenting. It's a real touching song.

  • @warriordrum
    @warriordrum 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing. I did not know he was a student of the course. This song is now my favorite JD song. Tremendously well written. I would love to get a good copy of the audio. The piano and voice are a little tensioned and it is a true loss not to have a proper studio version available.

  • @owlchemy2
    @owlchemy2 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish this had been placed on a collection before he died. What a beautiful song….I remember reading about it is his book.

  • @gloriaertel2463
    @gloriaertel2463 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still listening/watching John Denver and his wonderful songs...…...every day....a loyal fan forever......Love and miss you..sigh..8/24/19

  • @vickyfabian7186
    @vickyfabian7186 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Todate am still missing john denver, i enjoy listening to his music tnx to all who in many ways still upload his music.

  • @judithgeimer3088
    @judithgeimer3088 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    LOVE is ALL that's IMPORTANT

  • @PhillipMelanchthon
    @PhillipMelanchthon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wandering Soul, John Denver
    In this magic hour of softening light
    The moments in between the day and the night
    The instant when all shadows disappear
    The distance in between the love and the fear
    There’s a longing deep within a wandering soul
    It’s like the half that understands it once was whole
    Like the two who only dream of being one
    Like the moon whose only light is in the sun
    There’s a danger in forever looking outside
    You start to believe that all your prayers have been denied
    And you forget the sound of your own name
    Thus begins the suffering and the pain
    John ad libs this chorus:
    I wanted an answer, I want to know why
    (I wanted an answer, I wanted a way) - Customary words.
    Can there never be heaven right here on earth and peace inside
    (I wanted to know just what to do, and what to say)
    And I wanted a reason, I want to know why
    Can there never be heaven right here on earth, and peace inside.
    Inside my heart, deep in my soul
    Within each part and in the whole
    There’s a promise in the journeys of the mind
    You begin to believe that there are miracles you will find
    And that some day you’ll remember who you are
    The seed within a bright and shining star
    That’s like the flame that lives within a hungering heart
    That only awaits a gift of love for it to spark
    Into a fire that burns forever endlessly
    Like the river that can’t help but meet the sea
    In this magic hour between the dark and the dawn
    In the space between the silence and the song
    Suddenly the mystery is clear
    That Love is only letting go of fear
    Love is the answer, and Love is the way
    Love is in knowing just what to do and what to say
    Love is the reason and love is the why
    And Love is in heaven right here on earth and peace inside
    Inside your heart, deep in your soul
    Within each part, and in the whole
    Love is the answer, and love is the way
    Love is in knowing just what to do, and what to say
    Love is the reason, Love is the why
    And love is in heaven right here on earth, and peace inside.

  • @1bol390
    @1bol390 13 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    when will there be a greatest hits 4? this should be there!

  • @donnahanson-gm4615
    @donnahanson-gm4615 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He saved the best for last...

  • @kelliecarpenter2623
    @kelliecarpenter2623 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Joe. When John told me to tell you that he was sorry. I know what he meant. He was sorry that he couldn't be who/what you wanted him to be. Your comment in another video, about you waking in the night recalling his tenor voice, and a highway between the mountains. Imgrandmacarol. I have this song.I made the sign that welcomed people to Windstar at the entry road.I have a thank you letter. I have great memories I have photos of John standing in the snow next to it, that were on the web site

  • @1bol390
    @1bol390 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @anythinglovecanbuy thanks for 'posting". It's now one of my fave's!

  • @1bol390
    @1bol390 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "LOVE" is the answer!

  • @peacewillow35
    @peacewillow35 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful ..the Name of the artist on piano is Peter Kater beautiful music and song

  • @PaulaRochelle
    @PaulaRochelle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So beautiful! thank you for this channel and thank you, John!
    what timing