Peter's comment at the end sums up my feelings: "...most of our stuff took a few plays to open up to a listener, but if they got it, it would stick around for a long time." It can take a few listens to GET this music, but I got it in 1975, and I still love it.
So happy to hear -- have tix on the East Coast in March. When CD players became affordable for a college student, this was the first one I bought. I have never not had a copy in one medium or another since a cassette tape in the mid-80's.
Wow. Just saw TMB and it was the closest thing to seeing the original Genesis live. Finding this interview on TH-cam is fantastic! Could you imagine a Genesis reunion tour? With Steve and Peter back! It would be MAGICAL!
the best music takes time to grow on you. no sugar. every listen takes you deeper and increases your love further. I don't want my music any other way. I love early Genesis.
When I was younger I used to think I was the only fan of this band who used to think in the way you’ve just described lol, I seemed to be alone in how high an esteem i held this music and this band, my love for Genesis still hasn’t diminished to this day, like peter said at the end there, if the person listening “got it” it would stick around for a long time. Very true.
When my father introduced this album to me, he said that this is Genesis most beautiful album. I listened to it and he was right. It's probably their best album! The Lamb, as epic as it is, sounds a bit forced for me.
People who are geniuses tend to be very modest when talking about work that their fans hold in the highest esteem, deep down they know this stuff is epic beautiful music, especially when people are still listening to this some 45 years later. Progressive rock musicians at their peak of playing imo.
yes peter Gabriel , I got it , and it has stuck around to this day almost 40 years later nice work!!! but your right its to amazing to get on the first listen , then when you get it BANG!! JUST FABULOUS!!
Ah, well, I'm a Brit and a cynic and I don't need fake Disney-style positivity and perky, peppy Merkinese cheerleaders to screen me from the often unpleasant things in life. For me, hearing the thoughts of the boys - however negative or morose - just gives their glorious music even more sparkle and shine. When a woman gives birth there's often a lot of pain and slime and blood and very little fun and laughter, but the process has no bearing on the child that hopefully results. I feel privileged to be allowed to eavesdrop on what happened behind closed doors. No amount of negativity can dull the brilliance of what the band created, just as memories of agonising labour pains, explosive double incontinence and an emergency episiotomy affect how much a woman loves her children.🙂 (I don't have kids, by the way. But I am a musician of sorts.)
Heartbroken? Seriously? These interviews are overwhelmingly positive from all members and thoughtfully articulated . It's a sad day if the creators can't have opinions about their own work.
These interviews are as close to a reunion we will ever get I'm afraid. Seeing as they can't even agree on the strengths of this album, no wonder. Steve's the only one with his head screwed on right.
Pete hit the nail on the head. Most listeners need to listen to it a few times before they get it. That's what I recall with all my early Genesis records. You'd listen to it once and your like eh. Then again and by the third time it's amazing.
It touched me to the core of my being... to tears, nobody can ask for more...The sixth symphony of Sibelius does that for me as well, I cry as a child.... Yeah, tears don´lie...
Early Genesis is an acquired taste. There are too many elements to get with one listen. Each time you listen to it, you hear something new; something wonderfully new. A new blend of instruments, techniques or harmonies, or even melodies. It's how they wove the different sounds together. You can't just listen to it once & form a good solid opinion. It is definitely an acquired taste. You have to listen & re-listen until you can capture every beautiful element of the music. Mmmm...delicious!
Steve is spot on! I thought interesting that Phil and Steve were both influenced by Mahavishnu Orchestra,btinging some jazz/rock fusion energy in.And Peters confession about the chorus i know what i like and wordiness of Epping Forrest
they keep referring to Betty Swanick at an old lady, but she was 59 at the time, roughly the same age as Genesis at the time of this interview. Just found out we had the same birthday, which was nice.
04:40 - That, in part, Mr Hackett, is why this album sits atop this list: 1) Selling England… 2) Sgt Pepper’s… 3) Dark Side of the Moon. 4) Abbey Road. 5) Who’s next.
Their finest moment, I could not even listen to Genesis after Hackett left, the three of them just sounded like a Phil Collins solo project. Selling England by the Pound had it all, atmosphere, great playing and the writing was superb. Lamb was too forced in it's writing and might have been better as a single album, just my opinion folks.
After Hackett left mike and Tony still wrote most of the songs up until 82-3 so cannot agree about the Phil Collins solo project jibe. Phil actually made them tighten up as a band as soon as he joined and made the playing more important than the composition, imo it’s all good even though I was disappointed with Steve leaving I still think they kept their identity. Opinions are like arseholes because everyone has one. lol
@Rob James You say 'I could not listen to Genesis after Hackett left'. Well I could, and did. But eventually I concluded this ... Genesis were brilliant as a five-piece with Gabriel. They maintained their brilliance as a four-piece with Hackett. But after Hackett left there was no-one left to truly steer the band on their progressive course. Genesis as a three-piece we're a very good rock band, but ... they never again achieved the greatness they'd possessed with Gabriel and Hackett.
This is an involving and interesting album that I can reliably come back to on a quiet, late evening. If there's snow on the ground, even better. The album is better with the right atmosphere, i.e., this doesn't get me moving and ready for work in the morning! I find the band's comments a bit sly and comical, as if they almost want to laugh at their early experimentation. Phil Collins made this point once, comparing their early stage performances with the rockumentary Spinal Tap. Their tone in these Selling England by the Pound interviews is quite dreary--as if they have to muster their strength simply to even "go there" and remember the project. LOL It's a very good album. Like the band, I find some bits of it cacophonous, but when evaluated as a whole experience it's wonderful-with a hint of magic.
@@nastyhardcore7641 Got to admit that, on the album, I don't like it much. But I went to Steve's "Selling England By The Pound" tour in November and it actually sounded really good.
Tony Banks about the album: "In some ways it was [...] the most tecnique and that stuff... I never... I always liked to think that tecnique it's just another sort of paint brush in a way, something you can use, and it can be very effective at times, but it should never take over." A little piece of truth from the master.
AMEN DUDE, FANTASTIC STUFF, THIS ALBUM , GOING TO SEE TMB IN A COUPLE WEEKS FOXTROT,AND SEBTP , SEEN THEM 25+ TIMES, FOXTROT IS MY FAVORITE SHOW THEY DO WHAT A SET LINE UP Watcher of the Skies The Musical Box Can-Utlility and the Coastliners (The Fountain of Salmacis) Get 'em Out by Friday Supper's Ready The Return of the Giant Hogweed The Knife
I've seen quite a few comments from people who love this music dearly and who feel somewhat 'betrayed' to hear the boys discussing the songs with anything other than pride and deep satisfaction. Well, I'm a Brit and a cynic and I don't need fake Disney-style positivity or perky, peppy Merkinese cheerleaders to screen me from the often unpleasant things in life. For me, hearing the thoughts of the boys - however negative or morose - just gives their glorious music even more sparkle and shine. When a woman gives birth there's often a lot of pain and slime and blood and very little fun and laughter, but the process has no bearing on the child that hopefully results. I feel privileged to be allowed to eavesdrop on what happened behind closed doors. No amount of negativity can dull the brilliance of what the band created, just as memories of agonising labour pains, explosive double incontinence and an emergency episiotomy affect how much a woman loves her children.🙂 (I don't have kids, by the way. But I am a musician of sorts.)
Some side comments: The cover is the best of all. Judging by how they interview, Tony Banks seems way obnoxious. Steve Hackett's personality is the one I prefer of all five, I think.
federico amadeo i think their all geniuses and Tony just comes across as stuffy but he’s actually a nice guy, just a bit too stuffy English at times lol
Hmmm. Listening to this entire interview I have to say that Pete, more than the others, was/is a bit more of a perfectionist when it comes to the music writing and final product. I am much the same way, so I understand how folks can get irritated. It has nothing to do with a "I am the best" mindset, but rather a "Hey, we have the time and we have the talent. So why not make it perfect?" Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys was the same way, and it pissed people off something fierce...
I don't know how some of them can sit there and describe parts of SEBTP or Nursery Cryme as weak... if they thought that, how did they later release lame-ass pop-pap like 'I Can't Dance'. Surely that shite should have ended up on the cutting room floor before it ever saw the light of day.
And yet that single sold more than anything from the Gabriel era. Different stroke asshat. They don't have to love the album just because they made it. That's the beauty of it, the artist doesn't have to feel the same way as the admirer.
Lol, Peter said the same thing and he wrote the damn lyrics! You don't have to attack people because you disagree with them. Just because they wrote the album doesn't mean they feel the same way about it as fans do.
I have listened to this album hundreds of times. It is perfect
"no other album in the world sounds anything like"! Steve Hackett summed it up for me!
Lovely to hear the core speak so reverently about the cover artist Betty Swanwick and her art.
Steve seems to more positive and happy about his time with Genesis
It was a miracle that these giant egos stayed together for as long as they did. Steve sounds humble.
yes, Steve sounds so cool. And happy about it all... good on him.
Peter's comment at the end sums up my feelings: "...most of our stuff took a few plays to open up to a listener, but if they got it, it would stick around for a long time." It can take a few listens to GET this music, but I got it in 1975, and I still love it.
Yes, it’s stuck around through my life as well and I’ll still listen to this music now, selling is my favourite Genesis album.
Last month I saw Steve's Genesis Revisited in Los Angeles. He did this album in it's intirerty. Absolutely stunning performance.
So happy to hear -- have tix on the East Coast in March. When CD players became affordable for a college student, this was the first one I bought. I have never not had a copy in one medium or another since a cassette tape in the mid-80's.
Wow. Just saw TMB and it was the closest thing to seeing the original Genesis live. Finding this interview on TH-cam is fantastic! Could you imagine a Genesis reunion tour? With Steve and Peter back! It would be MAGICAL!
the best music takes time to grow on you. no sugar. every listen takes you deeper and increases your love further. I don't want my music any other way. I love early Genesis.
When I was younger I used to think I was the only fan of this band who used to think in the way you’ve just described lol, I seemed to be alone in how high an esteem i held this music and this band, my love for Genesis still hasn’t diminished to this day, like peter said at the end there, if the person listening “got it” it would stick around for a long time. Very true.
It's the pinnacle of 1970's prog. The fact that they still play many of the songs live says it all.
When my father introduced this album to me, he said that this is Genesis most beautiful album.
I listened to it and he was right. It's probably their best album!
The Lamb, as epic as it is, sounds a bit forced for me.
They're being really hard on their best albums! Can't wait to see how they feel about Invisible Touch.
Spoiler Alert!!!! they love it...
Scary!!!!
People who are geniuses tend to be very modest when talking about work that their fans hold in the highest esteem, deep down they know this stuff is epic beautiful music, especially when people are still listening to this some 45 years later. Progressive rock musicians at their peak of playing imo.
Lol
yes peter Gabriel , I got it , and it has stuck around to this day almost 40 years later nice work!!! but your right its to amazing to get on the first listen , then when you get it BANG!! JUST FABULOUS!!
the very last comment gabriel makes in this is exactly what is so great about true music. i feel so connected bc thats what it's like for me
I’m heartbroken listening to them talk negative about this album. This album is a masterpiece. Keep your 80s hits.
Ah, well, I'm a Brit and a cynic and I don't need fake Disney-style positivity and perky, peppy Merkinese cheerleaders to screen me from the often unpleasant things in life.
For me, hearing the thoughts of the boys - however negative or morose - just gives their glorious music even more sparkle and shine.
When a woman gives birth there's often a lot of pain and slime and blood and very little fun and laughter, but the process has no bearing on the child that hopefully results.
I feel privileged to be allowed to eavesdrop on what happened behind closed doors. No amount of negativity can dull the brilliance of what the band created, just as memories of agonising labour pains, explosive double incontinence and an emergency episiotomy affect how much a woman loves her children.🙂
(I don't have kids, by the way. But I am a musician of sorts.)
Heartbroken? Seriously? These interviews are overwhelmingly positive from all members and thoughtfully articulated . It's a sad day if the creators can't have opinions about their own work.
These interviews are as close to a reunion we will ever get I'm afraid. Seeing as they can't even agree on the strengths of this album, no wonder. Steve's the only one with his head screwed on right.
First Genesis album I ever heard. I loved it!!
Man...Tony is amazing
Brilliant album.........thanks for posting these interviews......
"We had tea on her lawn"
That's such a wonderfully English thing to say
Pete hit the nail on the head. Most listeners need to listen to it a few times before they get it. That's what I recall with all my early Genesis records. You'd listen to it once and your like eh. Then again and by the third time it's amazing.
It touched me to the core of my being... to tears, nobody can ask for more...The sixth symphony of Sibelius does that for me as well, I cry as a child.... Yeah, tears don´lie...
Tumihhh are we talking Sibelius symphony no6 in D minor?
Early Genesis is an acquired taste. There are too many elements to get with one listen. Each time you listen to it, you hear something new; something wonderfully new. A new blend of instruments, techniques or harmonies, or even melodies. It's how they wove the different sounds together. You can't just listen to it once & form a good solid opinion. It is definitely an acquired taste. You have to listen & re-listen until you can capture every beautiful element of the music. Mmmm...delicious!
Joanne Chisena yes,but it sure stays with you when you’re into it, especially this album. Their finest album imho
Perhaps, but not near as much so as Van Der Graaf Generator or Peter Hammill's solo material. Or King Crimson for that matter.
Tony at 3:41'' "plays so fast he just can't stop doing it" and hello Darryl Steurmer.
The instrumental part of one of my favourite Genesis songs: "The Cinema Show"
Steve is spot on! I thought interesting that Phil and Steve were both influenced by Mahavishnu Orchestra,btinging some jazz/rock fusion energy in.And Peters confession about the chorus i know what i like and wordiness of Epping Forrest
they keep referring to Betty Swanick at an old lady, but she was 59 at the time, roughly the same age as Genesis at the time of this interview. Just found out we had the same birthday, which was nice.
Wow! Sadly, I've not managed to catch them live.
04:40 - That, in part, Mr Hackett, is why this album sits atop this list:
1) Selling England…
2) Sgt Pepper’s…
3) Dark Side of the Moon.
4) Abbey Road.
5) Who’s next.
I agree with Peter about chorus of I know what I like borrrrinng
This album is their best as a whole imo, "The Cinema Show" is the highlight of the album for me, but the whole album is a true classic.
Their finest moment, I could not even listen to Genesis after Hackett left, the three of them just sounded like a Phil Collins solo project. Selling England by the Pound had it all, atmosphere, great playing and the writing was superb. Lamb was too forced in it's writing and might have been better as a single album, just my opinion folks.
After Hackett left mike and Tony still wrote most of the songs up until 82-3 so cannot agree about the Phil Collins solo project jibe. Phil actually made them tighten up as a band as soon as he joined and made the playing more important than the composition, imo it’s all good even though I was disappointed with Steve leaving I still think they kept their identity. Opinions are like arseholes because everyone has one. lol
@Rob James
You say 'I could not listen to Genesis after Hackett left'.
Well I could, and did. But eventually I concluded this ...
Genesis were brilliant as a five-piece with Gabriel. They maintained their brilliance as a four-piece with Hackett.
But after Hackett left there was no-one left to truly steer the band on their progressive course.
Genesis as a three-piece we're a very good rock band, but ... they never again achieved the greatness they'd possessed with Gabriel and Hackett.
Still my favorite from them, with Lamb a close second.
terrific album.
Instrumental part of The Cinema Show.
This is an involving and interesting album that I can reliably come back to on a quiet, late evening. If there's snow on the ground, even better. The album is better with the right atmosphere, i.e., this doesn't get me moving and ready for work in the morning! I find the band's comments a bit sly and comical, as if they almost want to laugh at their early experimentation. Phil Collins made this point once, comparing their early stage performances with the rockumentary Spinal Tap. Their tone in these Selling England by the Pound interviews is quite dreary--as if they have to muster their strength simply to even "go there" and remember the project. LOL It's a very good album. Like the band, I find some bits of it cacophonous, but when evaluated as a whole experience it's wonderful-with a hint of magic.
They didn't mention More Fool of Me once in this interview, am I right?
They probably did commentary on every track and edited it down. Maybe someday they'll upload each band members entire interview
@@nastyhardcore7641 Got to admit that, on the album, I don't like it much. But I went to Steve's "Selling England By The Pound" tour in November and it actually sounded really good.
Try it bud. Tea outside on a lawn on a Summer's day tastes so good. The only time tea tastes better is after a mountain-climb :)
Tony Banks about the album: "In some ways it was [...] the most tecnique and that stuff... I never... I always liked to think that tecnique it's just another sort of paint brush in a way, something you can use, and it can be very effective at times, but it should never take over." A little piece of truth from the master.
AMEN DUDE, FANTASTIC STUFF, THIS ALBUM , GOING TO SEE TMB IN A COUPLE WEEKS FOXTROT,AND SEBTP , SEEN THEM 25+ TIMES, FOXTROT IS MY FAVORITE SHOW THEY DO WHAT A SET LINE UP
Watcher of the Skies
The Musical Box Can-Utlility and the Coastliners
(The Fountain of Salmacis)
Get 'em Out by Friday
Supper's Ready
The Return of the Giant Hogweed
The Knife
Yea man.
Steve Hackett ? Yes,I heard about him...he plays better than me,sure as egg is egg. Signed GOD
what music is in the very beggining of the video?
dropagemonem the instrumental passage of the cinema show
I've seen quite a few comments from people who love this music dearly and who feel somewhat 'betrayed' to hear the boys discussing the songs with anything other than pride and deep satisfaction.
Well, I'm a Brit and a cynic and I don't need fake Disney-style positivity or perky, peppy Merkinese cheerleaders to screen me from the often unpleasant things in life.
For me, hearing the thoughts of the boys - however negative or morose - just gives their glorious music even more sparkle and shine.
When a woman gives birth there's often a lot of pain and slime and blood and very little fun and laughter, but the process has no bearing on the child that hopefully results.
I feel privileged to be allowed to eavesdrop on what happened behind closed doors. No amount of negativity can dull the brilliance of what the band created, just as memories of agonising labour pains, explosive double incontinence and an emergency episiotomy affect how much a woman loves her children.🙂
(I don't have kids, by the way. But I am a musician of sorts.)
what is a criticle?
Some side comments:
The cover is the best of all.
Judging by how they interview, Tony Banks seems way obnoxious. Steve Hackett's personality is the one I prefer of all five, I think.
federico amadeo i think their all geniuses and Tony just comes across as stuffy but he’s actually a nice guy, just a bit too stuffy English at times lol
ReaktorLeak yep, I know all about them.👍🏼
ReaktorLeak being a Genesis freak from England, both lol
Hmmm. Listening to this entire interview I have to say that Pete, more than the others, was/is a bit more of a perfectionist when it comes to the music writing and final product. I am much the same way, so I understand how folks can get irritated. It has nothing to do with a "I am the best" mindset, but rather a "Hey, we have the time and we have the talent. So why not make it perfect?" Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys was the same way, and it pissed people off something fierce...
Well hopefully you can catch TMB they are worth a long drive to see, and you don't have to worry , your not going to see shit like " I can"t dance"
but god, these guys are overly criticle about their shit! The chorus of I Know What I Like is a great hook Peter!
Peter Mayer a boring hook, I agree with his comment, verses are good though but it’s the weakest song on the album imo.
Still NOT a word about "More Fool Me" !!! Shame...
Song never ahould have been recorded
Couldn't have said it better Genesis fan, they went to crap when Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel left!
It isnt crap, its just not as good as when before Gabriel and Hackett left
Oops critical.....
It is a metaphor for sex you know.....
I don't know how some of them can sit there and describe parts of SEBTP or Nursery Cryme as weak... if they thought that, how did they later release lame-ass pop-pap like 'I Can't Dance'. Surely that shite should have ended up on the cutting room floor before it ever saw the light of day.
And yet that single sold more than anything from the Gabriel era. Different stroke asshat. They don't have to love the album just because they made it. That's the beauty of it, the artist doesn't have to feel the same way as the admirer.
Phil complained about Battle of Epping Forrest when true Genesis fans complaned of his pop garbage!
Lol, Peter said the same thing and he wrote the damn lyrics! You don't have to attack people because you disagree with them. Just because they wrote the album doesn't mean they feel the same way about it as fans do.