What's the future of the Competitive Gaming Mouse Industry?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- We have so many great gaming mice on the market these days, but they're starting to get a bit "safe" and boring, because the formula has basically been perfected for ... well, sales. It's hard to get excited, but it's never been easier to give recommendations. So where to now? What's the next step?
Just wanted to give some thoughts on the industry and where it needs to go next, as well as some news on what I've been up to and what's to come. I'll have some announcements and updates over the next year (it's a long process), so stay tuned, I don't know how much time I'll have for content but will try to make more videos.
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Oh my fucking god the cut to the brick when he mentions the g502 and then pretends like nothings wrong 😭
The irony when he spoke about the mouse 😂😂😂😂
To be honest, when I switched from a Basilisk V3 to a normal OP1, there were so many changes.
The weight was cut by halved from 100-110g to around 50g, the thumb rest on the side was removed and it’s also slightly more narrow. The clicks are very light & easy to press, with the same going for the side buttons. To be honest, this mouse is pure perfection for me. I was actually thinking of getting the OP1 8K, but it was just out of stock before my mother managed to buy it, so I went with the OG version.
I’m thinking of getting the 8K version, even if it’ll cost an extra $20.
spit my drink at 2:26
for a brick, the aim is pretty good
Went from the g502 to the superlight 2. Yeah it's a brick, but it's a brick that still lives in my top drawer. It's just great to use for certain games.
@@Spillow-C Nice Halo reference.
RIP
I didn't even realise what this comment was about at first because it looked right to my brain.
I actually can't get over the 2:26 either lmaoo. Thank you.
mans did a cinematic on a brick
I think the mouse market has just gotten so good It's a non issue for most people regardless of which mouse you go with, since there are so many good options.
Yeah I'd agree, but I think shape could change that.
yea garbage qc and same shapes 7-24. fk mouse market.
Using the REDDRAGON 913 mainly for the shape.@@RocketJumpNinja
@@okanakgonul4473 lmao
No. I can’t find suitable mouse and I didn’t get updated g305 (dont know where to put my pinky on all other mice) :( with type c and stuff love that mouse
Best B-roll of the G-502 that I've seen recently. 💯
I bought the Z1 Rail around the time when it came out and I don't ever want to switch my mouse again!
But hearing about you designing new mice is getting me soo excited
I'm looking forward to seeing what shapes you come up with, very interesting.
And I still use your MZ1 too ;)
so excited for your mice shape designs.
Ah the brick reference to the G502, I can't agree more haha. Great video king!
Oh man, telling me to step off the MZ1 is a hard bargain, man. Those new shapes better be exciting.
_clearly the future is trackball_
I lowkey think trackball is insane in the right hands :D
i recently grabbed a keychron m4 cus i wanted to try a fingertip mouse. It's been really fun to try, and has made me more open to try different mice in the future. I'm excited to see what you and the mouse enthusiast industry has in store!
Heck Yeah I'm stoked to see what you come out with next. No matter what I pickup I always end up back on the MZ1 it's just too good!
(I hope the new design will include split mouse keys again, as someone with a 1/3/1 grip being able to rest my middle finger between the scroll wheel and PgDn is so handy for stability!)
The popularity of the razer viper mini is a great example of shape being king, wired, 3399, and an amazing shape everyone loves!
With it being cheap it was a no-brainer to pick one up and see if i like it, even if it was way smaller than what i was used to
I detest the viper mini, gpx is the true king
Been using the viper mini since its release. Honestly completely forgot about mice since using it, its so reliable.
Problem is razer's trash tier qc, or I'd probably have mained it before the op1
@@VileVamp I had one. Scroll wheel malfunctioned in literally a month.
You were the one who convinced me years ago to have two different mice. One for productivity tasks and browsing and one for gaming. Best choice I made so far. And yeah, you're right. There isn't much to improve upon with what's on the market right now.
When it comes to shapes, makes me sad how we don't have much to choose from. Even the once classic MX518 shape isn't available in lightweight version - mouse industry playing it so safe that we can't even have a proper thumb groove anymore for better grip! Thumb groove gives the option to more effectively squeeze the mouse if necessary, which improves control for some players (just as the control can be better when the player has the option to push the mouse into mousepad when stopping). I'll always have respect for RJN for coming up with the MZ1 shape which was actually something different. Was disappointing to see how many of the reviewers couldn't celebrate innovation, and instead gave reduced review scores because the MZ1 shape didn't happen to suit their personal preference.
Funnily enough a few of the other reviewers eventually came around to it... after they gave it enough time and got used to the shape, which is why I'm trying to stress that as a community, we need to give mice a proper chance. 3 weeks is what it took me to get used to the Razer Diamondback, so that's the mark I set.
And yeah agreed, it's just too safe now, we gotta start encouraging risks.
Well said RJN, cant wait to see what you bring 👍
Can't wait to see your new projects. I'm hoping to see something a little wider without the holes and RGB.
I really liked the MZ1 wireless, I even modified it with a smaller battery to better suit my needs, but unfortunately after a while I started getting hand cramps. My aim was really good (same as w G PRO Wireless) and I think there was potential to be a bit better, but my consistency was worse, and the cramps remained even after 3 months.
Unfortunately, the worst thing was the quality control. After 3 months, I was having trouble double clicking the left button. I tried adjusting the screw position first, then the debounce setting, but I didn't feel safe playing with debounce at 8ms. The only solution was to change the switches. Luckily, I had spare switches on hand when I changed them on my G PRO Wireless.
Thank you for all the work you do, I just picked up a Pulsar X2V2 mini for my finger tip grip because it had optical switches.
Next mouse you release please have those and I'll buy it!
See I bought the G Pro X when it came out and just haven't felt the need to upgrade. I do miss your old videos from back when I was in Highschool, like 2018ish? Generally giving advice was really cool, its been a while since I watched. Its kinda cool to see how far things have come though I will say, both on your Channel and in this market.
UPDATED MZ1 WHEN???
SHAPE IS SOO GOOD.
Same
I always intrigued with flat mouse designs like mz1
Yeah, I would buy it if the sensor was updated.
Been tempted to buy one a few times but just never pulled the trigger. If it was to be updated, and possibly without holes, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
The hump in the back is a little too in the way for me. Also not enough ring finger support.
But it might work well with some hands! I went for the Zowie U2.
dude you one of the few people that are so passionate about gaming mice and improving aim, its amazing. good luck your your new designs. one problem that I always had with mice is that I cant feel comfortable with griping a mouse that doesnt have a lot of space in thumb position, so I cant really try smaller mice. hope you make a shape for me too! :D
dope. im excited for your new mice
good to hear from you!
YES!
THE SHAPE AND SIZE ARE ABSOLUTELY THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR.
i went to a viper mini to the updated version only has a slight height in the hump where the mouse fits in the middle of the palm...and it made all the difference...💯
I think the next advancement in mice tech should be the addition of hall effect switches for the clicks, like what Wooting keyboards have.
Wootings are just the best. Speaking of what's next, I wish they'd make a keyboard that you could plug your mouse into, and it would merge with the function layer system. I've gotten so used to pressing Alt or Win in my games as a modifier for other keys, and I really wish I could extend this to the mouse buttons.
I know Razer has something similar called Hypershift, but it's _extremely_ lackluster and requires keyboard and mouse that are both Razer.
@@Visstnok that exists. It's called rewasd, and I've used it a ton because I can't use a keyboard, meaning I need a lot mapped onto the mouse.
🤯
@@Mezurashii5 Oh, damn! I knew of reWASD, but wasn't aware it was that powerful - thanks. I need to look into it, although I would easily have paid many hundred bucks for an elegant hardware solution. I know if I install reWASD, I need to implement a workaround for the fact that Apex kicks you for it, lol.
@@Visstnok It wasn't the installation, it was the fact that there's a process running in the background. They did something to fix it in the last update, according to their posts. Dunno if that means you can use the remapping or if they just turn the process off automatically when the game is launched.
There are so many things to improve in the shape design. I've been searching for a perfect gaming mouse since the beginning of this century!
always try new shapes, it's what makes gaming fun imo. like choosing a weapon
been going back to my mm720 and i love it
G403 could use an update
I still can't believe they have not made a g403 superlight it would be such an easy sell.
we need a real OG based G303x and a G703x (I guess they would call them that judging by the g502x name scheme lately.)
I see a g703 remake, but I guess I just don't see real potential in a new g403. Does it really fill some kind of niche that other mice don't? A new lightweight mouse with that old metal scroll wheel sounds sick though.
@@baconberries8097 what are u on? G703 = wireless g403
@@josko144 G703 is 95g. That is way too heavy.
alternate back shell mz1 is my actual endgame I really hope xtrfy don't abandon the shape, thank you for designing it.
Good to see king of mices back in improving industry. Your channel taught us things that most of us don't pay attention but are so important. Btw do you plan to design mouse normal sized but shorter smaller back? This fingertip mices are too small for me (like HSK Pro 4K but bigger like half of best x cutter around side buttons)
It will be interesting to see the new designs. I eventually got the MZ1. It's great. The only issue I have is I keep pushing the side buttons by accident and active the ability in QC when I don't plan to :P
Keep up the good work!
We want an updated MZ1! It's the best.
Here's to hoping you're working on a pen mouse.
When I got my xlite v2, I finally understood how important shape is. Playing it for about a year and I think it is my perfect mouse.
That said, I am excited for future videos with interesting shapes 🤟🏻
Definitely to continue iterating on shapes, while obviously having top sensor, polling rate, full shell and low weight. When using current mouse over time I can notice where I could see it improved for me, be it how I hold a certain finger, or certain size dimension change. Noticed that lowering main clicks to have more vertical finger pressure on them helps.
but tbh i miss your videos. it was such a good guidance for my next mice to buy. maybe im just getting old now but youre the best mice reviewer
Zy's music has been burned into my head from all the gaming mouse videos I watched in 2016. Something I'll never forget even if the video production has slowed down
Sounds awesome good luck
So happy to be part of this community :D
I'm stil rocking a G305 (with lithiums) based on your reviews back in the day. I agree, I haven't found any need to upgrade to any new mouse :)
I use a G502 for everyday tasks, I love it and if it breaks down I'll buy another, but for gaming, the superlight is where it's at.
He has returned
Lovely video mate, I totally agree with this. - Any ETA on when we can hear about ur new mice/shapes/company stuff? :D cheers from Norway.
Replacing the battery and removing the battery sliding compartment shaves off about 7 grams on the Xtrfy MZ1. Cutting out more of the plastic shaves also off a few more grams. Mine is under 50 grams. Bearded Bob's got some really good video mods for this mouse. It's one of the best mice for medium hands with finger-tip grip. Love this thing!
You should really look into higher-end audio. HD 560s, Hifiman headphones such as the Ananda nano, maybe IEM's. It's the next step after getting your PC, monitor and other peripherals right and it does help.
Damn that's we know why the boys like the G502, it's sexy as heck lol. On a side note we can see your MZ1 is well used by the worn off coating just like mine. Gonna take some grip tape for it.
My previous G403 was good but the issue was the rubber. My thumb digged a hole in it and it was cramping my hand.
Curious what you're next designs will be, I like the MZ1 even though I took me more than 3 weeks to get used to it lol
I have 0 actual reason to buy a new mouse until I break the one I have, since its so good. G pro my beloved
Same.
I've been using the G403 since forever. It occasionally registers the infamous double-click issue but has otherwise been fine. I don't really have a need to change it but I really want to get a wireless lightweight mice.
LOVE THE BRICK
Recently I've thought the same thing. Right now, sensors and switches have gotten so good, but there is one common problem that every company is sharing, "safe" shapes. I always bought a mouse based on your opinion and reviews, the first was back in 2018. I've tried a lot of your top choices, but every one of them always had a strange feeling. Right now, I've been using a Deathadder V3 wired for almost a year, but I found myself in multiple situations thinking that this mouse is missing something. One day, I decided to take a look in my storage and found some old mice, but one stood out from the others, the Rival 310! I immediately decided to feel it again and man... this mouse is crazy good in ergo and feeling for today's standards, so much better compared to a Deathadder V3. So now I've made a decision, i'm gonna mod it by using some TTC Gold switches, a new Kailh encoder, some PTFE skates and if possible some weight reduction. After all of those years there is still a lot of potential in that shape. Thank you for what you have done all these years, you have always been the one I trusted for mice recommendations, and I will continue to do so.
Still rocking the OG viper. At first it felt big, but got used to it. Good enough and it takes me 2-3 months to get used to a new shape.
6:17 this is true! if you want to change your mouse, try it atleast 3 weeks or even 1 month to adapt before you decide whether you keep it or sell it for another mouse. i've been using g502 clone for the past 3 years and it's a good mouse, just a bit heavy so i remove the back outer shell and put some holes in it, then i switch to Cobra Wired exactly 1 month ago and at first i feel the mouse is too small and a bit uncomfortable to hold with my hand and i can't aim because of that so i'm thinking to sell it to get a real g502, but i give it another chance and now i love it!
Have you tried the Zowie U2? I got it yesterday and it has such a unique shape!
It fits so well when using claw grip. It's agile yet perfectly supports my ring finger & thumb.
Zowie is all about shape as well.
JFC, the G502 looks so solid there, it's truly a foundational building block for the mouse community.
The razer viper mini signature is actually pretty damn sweet lol
I switched from potato Superlight to Pulsar xlite v2 wireless, it was little too small for my hands and extremely light, I gave it a go for 30 days, moved on to EC2 CW, the shape, perfect, the weight, perfect. I love it, I know this is the mouse for me, I never knew why I missed the shot, or why I had to adjust my hand everytime, now with the zowie ec2cw I know why Ive missed, I know what to improve on, my hand is always at the same place, my fingers always know where to be on the mouse, I can hold it for a whole day and have no issues. Trial and error
When I first switched to pc I wasn't comfortable using my left hand to hit commands and prompts
the g502 was a godsend to slowly get me comfortable with a keyboard for gaming
there was a period where I was eagerly trying to find the next great mouse, buying every single mouse I could get to find the best one
now i just use the g pro superlight
no thought in my head when I go to grab it, no want for anything lighter or different shape
it just fits, its comfortable and it works every time
Do you ever considered to have an second host, or more helpers to the channel? RJN is such a legendary name in this nich to slow down on posting, mouses are better now, but we are going back to some topics like polling rate because of other creators lack of knowledge, and that influentiates the market and the buyers and kind miss the most important points while chosing an mouse to help you get better.
That brick threw me off guard...
I'd love a G703 but a superlight version. I love the shape of that mouse. The closest I found was Viper V3 Pro, so I'm using that until something else comes out.
Speaking of weird shapes, I've bought a "finger/pen mouse" off Ali express and removed everything except for the sensor. I have a custom remapped keyboard for M1 and M2. Honestly, I've been loving using my index finger as the sensor. Practically zero weight, except for the lithium battery and the antenna.
I'm one of the filthy casuals you described, so I'm not hardware limited, but this worked well for me.
I got large hands, so when I first bought the MZ1 I put it away after a few weeks. Tried some other shapes the last year or so and I got bored and wasn't seeing any improvement. Got the MZ1 out again on a whim, started breaking aiming records. I don't hold it flat or fingertip like maybe I should, but for claw grip it's been really good for me even with larger hands. Recently got the wireless version and love the click improvement. It didn't come with the original back mold b/c I bought it used but I'm going to 3D print it and I think I'll be set for a long while.
Wait you're alive!
The mz1 wireless has been my main mouse for more than a year, i've modded and shaved the interior to bring down the weight, but the shape and size is why it remained as my main even though so many competiting mice has cropped up.
If RJN is designing more mice with different companies, I would love to try them out and see if they feel better, or if the mz1 remains as my main mouse
it was nice to hear some adult perspective on the mouse community. thanks zy
lmao the brick was hilarious
My friend and me made the mod for my g300s shell. I used the interiors of a g pro wireless (A razer viper v2 would be better but i don't have one) and I freaking love it. I didn't find a similar shape or a mod for the mouse, so I said, fuck it, i'll try it, and it when pretty well. I'm proud of our creation cx
g wolves is releasing a pretty interesting shape with the htr
I'd love for more of a push for ergonomics. We like our traditions and often play it safe but lets start looking at our hands and ask ourself If we continue to game for the next 15years is it going to be sustainable with the positions we put our wrists in while aiming?
Think that's why I like gwolves so much cause they will toss some random designs along with the safe ones
truely shocking
nvm wrong video
Gtfo and spell properly as well. Truly disappointing.
Nah he is the new GOAT of gaming mice
He will get bored as well.
what I want is exac G703 shape being updated with latest tech
OP1 8K, i love the modability of this mouse.
This will be the next big thing or maybe controlling the mouse with our eyes/brain or a pencil? ;)
I really really hope we can get more lightweight ergo shapes on the market since companies have been milking smaller shapes to death. The DAV3P is the only mouse I can use comfortably for multiple hour sessions and I would love a new 50 gram or less DAV3P clone to come out (idk if making a mouse that size would be possible)
I’ve recently ditched Glorious and been pretty happy with Superlight 2. I would have been interested in your mouse if there was a bigger version.
Even I switched from the g403 to the g305 I did start seeing why shape is the most important thing on a mouse. I since then moved to a razer viper mini, another great shape if you need a small mouse.
Love your videos!! Got so much help with selecting a mouse! Currently using Steelseries Aerox 3 wireless and loving it! Tried several different mouse they all were to larga, have quite small hands and need quite small mouse because of it. Lightweight is also key to me liking a mouse!
tbh i am completely out of the loop with mice for the past 2years, maybe i already found my "endgame" for real this time but i've beenusing the lamzu atlantis og and the xm2we and just switching them up with each charge. Both have some drawbacks though and my absolute dream would be - atlantis shape with its crispy af left and right click, but with xm2we coating, side buttons and wheel.
I don't know but everything in gaming has already surpassed what I thought it could as a kid so it's all bonus from here on out.
Since many of us, that is to the the market for prospective gaming mice, have likely found a shape of mouse that is shaped suitably enough, is comfortable enough, and plays well enough, as an investment it is difficult to warrant increased innovation. But there is still room for this market to grow, so hats off to you for your continued efforts. I can think of a product I would buy for casual browsing that would be ideal for me personally, but like you say, this is a very niche market.
mice have been great lately, but hopefully we get more options in terms of different weights. personally am not a fan of very light mice. I still main the wired g pro hero, so hopefully 80-ish gram modern mice become a thing
It would be sick if you are making a mouse for the palm enjoyers, so hard to get a good shape for it. The zowie is so heavy and the stormbreaker has little grip because of the left side slits.
shape is indeed king, my favorite shape so far is the XTRFY M42, with the hump(not the low standard one which is more like FK2 shape). furthermore the side buttons and click feel on the xtrfy is extremely solid. i have also logitech superlight pro x, but i don't like egg shape because it makes it difficult to switch between relaxed claw and tight claw which i find to be very natural. i dont like to play with a fully locked claw all the time. my hand is about 17.5, 9.5 but i still would like to have a little longer mouse and maybe an even higher hump. it weighs around 70 grams compared to logitech superlight that weighs 60 gram but still prefer it. another king shape for me is razer viper. but there is no wireless version which is a bit sad.
heard good things bout the ninjutsu sora v2 with extended hump so gonna try that as my next mouse.
You have been missed!
The mouse innovation I want is actually more on the keyboard side. I wish Wooting would make a keyboard that you could plug a mouse into, merging it with their ingenius functionality customization. The keyboard simply passes mouse motion and button presses on in accordance with how you've set it up. Think of it as Razer's Hypershift that wasn't proprietary and overall dogshit.
Happy to hear you're getting into gamedev. We need more gamer-gamedevs! The industry right now is like a bunch of bartenders who don't even like alcohol. I've been learning Godot for two years on my own, and am starting to pick up speed. It's so fun! You can actually make games with, gasp, perfect mouse input and customization.
Anyways, very good video! Wish you all the best.
We need a G502 buttons with a Sensei rear. Lose the thumb ledge and extra buttons. The raised M1 along with it's spring is fantastic.
I wonder what your thoughts are about the WLMouse Beast X Mini, as a small mouse enjoyer. That thing is so good.
it would be funny if zy 3d printed a mouse shell, you will be excited to see it
Do you think that FPS input method will change? With the addition of AR and VR. In somewhat far future we could be aiming with our bare hands. True 0 weight.
Yeah but to controller with aim assist. Seriously though, aim is one thing, movement is another... I think VR would just make you sick if you played Quake with it, especially if you tried to rocket jump. I think for now, mice are going to be the best. Maybe pens eventually, maybe hand gestures in the even more distant future. The mouse just makes so much sense though, for now it's the best for aiming and movement.
I think there's space for improvement in platform support and (lack of) software. Most of the wireless mice work on Windows only, and Wootility showed that you can configure your keyboard through a web browser - something that so far I only see Ninjutso is trying with Ninjaforce for their mice (but it's janky). Also, while I agree overall the competitive gaming mouse industry isn't experimenting enough with shapes, I believe Zowie deserves an honorable mention with the U2.
I've been trying the Logitech g302 with the diamond shape, i thought i wouldn't like it but I'm loving it, the cons are the side buttons are too squishy and the left side plastic started to rattle when I lift the mouse
The G502 is exactly my experience as shown in video.
i very love the steelseries rival 500. although it is heavy and not for competitive shooter it has a very unique shape in terms of extra button placement(not a stupid grid of 4by3) but actually ergonomic. i wish there will be more mise like that and the industry will push in this path of "special shapes".
for every day work you not need a light mouse but a mise that can provide you with quick access/shortcuts around you work place.
P.S hope one day steelseries will continue to manufacture it again since mine broke 😅
Shape is the most important thing for me. Many many years ago, almost 2 decades actually, Logitech released a multi-media mouse with a shape which is now inherited by M510. I worked at software dev company which shared an office space with a local tech newspaper and these guys were testing hardware all the time. Including mice. I was lucky enough to test drive many of them myself. And this specific shape - it was simply made for my hand.
So, for the last almost two decades I'm using a non gaming mouse, but it's shape is perfect for me. I tried switching away, but I always get back to it. I went through all iterations of this mouse shape, it was MX at some point in time, it was something else, now it's M510. It might not be the best performer, but my hand with this mouse IS.
one of the only youtubers that when they upload i have a 95% chance to just click
I really enjoyed the Cooler Master MM 720. Its just so sad that it died just 2 years after purchase
i had a g403, now i got a vxe r1 pro max and this is the best mouse i've ever owned, 0 plans about buying another mouse.
I still prefer the Zowie EC2-A or the razer deathadder 2013 shape over everything else, but zowie doesn’t want to release a light weight version, the lightweight clones are not 1:1 and the new razer deathadder is a “safer” shape :(
Viper V2 is amazing mouse... best mouse i ever had in my hand. absolutely love the shape. Though i agree that only reason i bought it was because my G Pro just ran its course and died.
Future would be custom shaped mice. You can make some general & modular internals, and then scan or use a mold to get your hand profile for a custom shaped mouse made to your hands. It will be expensive at first, but as you get your hand scanned and manufacturing adapting and improving it will be more of a reasonable price. IMO nothing will beat custom made shape to your hands, you could also decouple the mouse internal from the mouse shell - allowing you to use what ever configuration you want.