Gaijin logic: shrapnel is going to pass through the crew and only give them a paper cut, but will also be enough to entirely disable a massive tiger engine.
@@Corium1 yeah everyone knows what really kills people is the concussive blast, that’s why we mostly use explosive hand grenades instead of fragmentation
@@Corium1 except that shrapnel is called spalling and they have built liners into tanks because without that liner, Hesh rounds are actually dangerous to the crew of a tank. Lil bit of information for ya, H.E.S.H rounds or High explosive squash head rounds are designed to pancake on impact before detonating, and the explosive force turns the inside of the tank into a weapon against the crew. Slinging shrapnel around the crew cabin like a blender. Before Spall liners became a thing, it wasnt uncommon to find a dead tank with no holes in the hull, but the crew inside shredded by shrapnel, with a matching surface on the interior of the cabin where the round hit that looks akin to sandpaper on steroids. (it was the shrapnel that killed the crews because tanks that had heat rounds impact but not penetrate had concussed but still combat operational crews.) As soon as spall liners became standard kit for tanks, Hesh rounds became completely useless for anything armored and got relegated to anti structure and anti vehicle(think halftracks and such) or anti Infantry because its a big ass explosive. If shrapnel was like confetti when it entered a tank, tanks wouldnt have spall liners, Gaijin just doesnt seem to understand that shrapnel from round penetrations dont just hit once, they bounce around the interior of the tank until they run out of energy, Due to that, the crews of tanks hit by hesh rounds (pre spall liners) often looked like they got chucked into a blender.
@@ravenouself4181 ikr 98.5% my team is so bad that even getting 10 kills in a full uptier without(vs the soviets too) dying in a Pz4-H and we lose. The other 2% is a reasonable team which you can rely on but luck has some role . but the 0.5% actual good players stomp the opposition so bad you kinda feel bad
As a Britain main this is just every day gameplay. Its very rewarding once you learn where to shoot though. Playing the A.C.I helped me master the art of the 2 pounder.
Agreed, British solid shot, especially the APCBC out the 17pdr is very rewarding to shoot. I main Britain and the 4.7 lineup is still my favourite of all time. The Firefly Shreds.
@@ZWS_Link I'm a big fan of 3.0 and 3.3, I have a line up for each and the A.C.I is my favorite tank. I find I dont have quite as much fun until I get up to 8.0 with the Warrior but its more difficult. 4.7 is alright, I like opening with the Concept for speed and now we have the Croc for memes.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow don't be dissing the low tiers, I've killed a T34 with a Swordfish, the Daimler is always fun, and even the little Tetrarch can get something going. the widespread use of the 2 pounder allows for consistent gunplay that is very effective once you learn where to shoot with it. I can one shot an SU-122 from the front if I hit it right.
Now you know what it's like to be a British or French main. Also, on that Panther in the first game, you didn't actually hit the gunner, the shell whooshed over his head because Gaijin recently (like a patch or two ago) dropped the position of the gunner down and raised the commander just to piss players off. It's happened to me too many times to count.
Am I the only WT player who doesn't have these problems with Solid Shot in British tanks? My Achillies and Firefly almost always one shot. My 6pdr vehicles just slightly less so.
@@FeatherWing162 Me like more boom. But all joking aside I play British and I just make use of what I've got and I still enjoy the game but then again I'm a mug player who plays for fun
The only thing is, with American and German solid shot, it has SIGNIFICANTLY less penetration And the post pen is usually better in a firefly’s APS then in the 76’s AP Idk why, by my firefly always does decent post pen
"because Gaijin recently (like a patch or two ago) dropped the position of the gunner down and raised the commander just to piss players off. " That's been a thing for years (two at least), shooting AP at panthers. Unless you hit the turret face at a downward angle (rare unless shooting down at them), or hit low, right on the edge of non-penning, you won't hit the gunner with solid rounds.
It's funny, cause for British mains (like myself), we use solid shot for more damage, cause it spalls more obviously. And everybody else just doesn't know how well off they are.
@apefish and your br is lower because of it. Whereas the US stock experience is brought down because the usable shell is locked behind research. Both are suffering. Also think about the people who are grinding stock vehicles, they dont have the aphe, yet their br is at a level that assumes they do.
As everyone else has mentioned, once you get use to the fact your shell doesn't explode, you learn specifically where to shoot with each tank, but it can be difficult at times because it always varies with what nation you are playing against, and sometimes you don't have the time to remember where, or even just determine what you are fighting against. It can scare you though sometimes to make really insufficient plays when you aren't use to it. For example, you still could have shot center mass at 21:08 on that Panther as your intuition told you, I usually do it all the time and take out the ammo. I say all of this as a French main, Britain being my second.
I remember when I first started I mained the brits up until about 5.0 then decided to give the russian tanks a try. It was like easy mode, almost boring. 5 years later I'm still a Brit main. There's just something very cool about British tanks to me. The 2pdr, 6pdr and 17pdr are my favourite guns in the game. There's something satisfying about dissecting tanks one shell at a time. Then the occasional 1 shot kill is just so wholesome.
I had exactly the same experience. Always played British tanks and am an average player. I hopped into a t34/KV1 once and got twenty kills in a single game.
I noticed the same with the Begleit AP. Had a Turms side in and fired 10+ rounds until his crew died. The Ammo didn´t go up. Checked later in tank inspector and was dissapointed. 57mm AP, even a direct hit, juts made things orange. Spall was hardly doing anything. Same shot with Puma APFSDS and everthing I hit was immediatly destroyed, also not a lot of spall, but I thing it did more.
Thank you for the entertainment as always OddBawZ. It seems like you have more fun when playing and chatting with others, which is how this game should be played imho. I discovered a while ago that in War Thunder I get the most joy from playing French and British tech tree (as well as the other minor nations that have enough of their own line up to not just use the big 3's good vehicles). Reason seems to be when playing USA, Germany, USSR I can get 4-8 kills semi reliably while fighting for capture points and stuff (not map edge camping, I get bored when not moving) and be like "yep.. next game". Playing the French/British/etc I can get 2-4 kills and if we manage to win I feel like "yep, we earned that". It's really weird because it's not like you don't have to play half decent with the big 3 to earn a good result...
I remember when the solid shot had more pen than the APHE on most of the tanks. Had fuck all for spalling but if you hit ammo it was reasonably effective at setting it off. Then they adjusted things.
Since they changed the stock shell of the M1 cannon, I have found myself accidentally bringing M79 over M62 in some games where I decide to revisit the other 76mm armed models of the Sherman. On one occassion I took out the M4A1 76 with my only AP round being M79 and I managed to get 9 kills in one life, I dunno what that says about the tank, tank's shell, or me but regardless, I switched back to M62 shot pronto after that hiccup.
In North Africa the 8th Army Grant tanks used captured German 75mm APHE shells as they were more effective than the solid shot AP rounds they were supplied with.
That’s because German rounds were capped, meaning they were more effective against German tanks that used FHA as armor. The Pzgr. 39 also has more performance than the US M61 and M62.
Many current players won't know this, but when the US tech tree was added... solid shot was the best ammo the 76mm gun got. My win rate at that time with any tank using the US 76mm was below 40%. I could not wait to grind my way past them back then. It's why tanks like the M18 was at BR 4.3 when it was first added. Then came the APHE buff with much higher pen for the US 76mm and now the M18 is at 5.7 and the T20 is at 6.0.
Yep, the solid shot experience is pretty miserable in War Thunder, despite it being historically not being much different from APHE. Also, a suggestion on what to play next: Pretty much any vehicle on the Cromwell chassis has a reverse gear that's so slow it's nearly useless. So how about, as a challenge, you unbind the key to reverse and can only go forwards or turn (around). Might be fun, there's also the swedish Comet and Charioteer from the last patch, if you're looking for an excuse to play them. Otherwise, "Challenge in a Challenger" has a nice ring (and TH-cam title) to it
I came back and played my fav M18 a few weeks ago and didn't check what ammo I was using so I had to endure 3 matches of wondering why I can't kill anyone on the side in 1 shot consistently, I was so mad I didn't even bother to check it
ahhhh someone vindicating the suffering i'm experiencing while grinding Britain aside from their weird decision to remove 5 degrees of gun drepession from their 76 sherman firefly/VC, making it near useless on hills, takes 2-3 shots to kill anything.
Literally my life right now as I’ve started grinding British finally from 1.0, it’s such pain. You have to shoot each person individually sometimes, especially the 57. No consistency
For the longest time I didn't understand the difference between the different shells and I would shoot solid shot into ammo and nothing would happen. Do it with something that has explosive filler and it would kill them so I thought solid shot couldn't detonate the ammo
Illustrates why Great Britain is such a painful slog to go up, since they get no option but solid shot for most things. It's brutal. They need to improve spalling and shrapnel bouncing around or something to improve chance of killing crew.
I used both the US 76mm AP and the AP in the KV-1 while spading things. The smaller crappier KV-1 AP spalls the same or more, not kidding. There is something wrong with the US 76mm AP.
It also got a lot worse for Brit 2.7 this week, apart from Su122 and the Sherm105 everywhere suddenly every single match suddenly shifted to FULL up tiers where entire enemy team is 3.3 and 3.7 .... no, not just the usual mix ! Until this week 2.7 Brit line up has been my relax fun line line, I play it regularly every night , something changed this week in the alGaijithm So in 2.7 (land and air Brit) now face all : PzIV's F2-J's, Ostwind, Whirblewind's, Stug F ... on top of the usual Puma, Stuh42, PzIII J/J1, M24's, M4A1 and M4, M16, T34(41), KV1 L-11. Curious I tried playing my 3.3 and 3.7 German line up and guess what every match was basically a down tier against all the ' W.T. Minor Nations' 2.7 !!
Yeah lmao when I get tired of being fucked by no pens on tigers that should go through I play 3.7 Germany and consistently play against low tier and reserve tanks of minor nations lmao
The accent is enough for me to sit down and watch this guy play any game any day of the week!! And of course sub too. Also, welcome to our world, people like me who have to grind the whole equipment to get that good ammo
Me a British main.... "What evils dost thou speaketh of the AP?!" Me when no-one's looking.... thankful after grinding hours to get to South African HEAT rounds, no matter how poorly they pen angles.
I played recently lot of tanks with british 17-pounder at 5.0-6.0 and avenger/challanger became like my favorite tank, because of the gun + mobility. The APCBC shell from 17-pounder create so much shrapnell that you can one shot panthers from the side (if you aim well enough even if you shot them at 90 angle), and with 170-190mm of pen you can pen the sides from quite steep angles. Seeing how bad the solid shot from sherman is pains me physically. Solid shots vary depending on the nation i suppose, because french shells are "ok" too.
Honestly I can’t remember a time I had trouble with solid shot while going through the British tree. You just can’t assume a 1-shot by default. Just plan your attacks around taking a 2nd shot. You’ll probably get used to it after a while.
For example, the BR-350 shells (iirc they're the ones) on the T-28 and anything else with a Soviet 76mm, basically as soon as it gets through armour it sets off what seems to be a miniature nuke
7:00 the ammo not blowing up on the sa50, could it be because the tank uses also AP rounds with out any HE filler so you just cant ammo rack it and instead it just breaks the ammo (removes it from tanks reserve)
Can you do a ammo explanation with all the different tank battle ratings cuz I have started playing but don't understand the ammo and were to shoot to kill
I agree with Gaijin's decision actually. They are a company to make money. If the APCBC ammo becomes a premium ammo, people would buy that option for sure. Next step would be to sell the ammo with GE as well 👍
Solid shot can be great if the cannon is big and the shell is not just pure AP. One of the reasons I love the ARL-44 is because despite the shell being solid shot, I have had luck one-shotting alot of vehicles and lolpenning them with ease. That's also one of the reasons 7.3-7.7 French tanks are so strong, despite using solid shots, they're huge APCBC shells from big cannons that can be spammed from every 4 to 6 seconds.
@@carlblack8574 Those huge solid AP shells have the benefit of bigger penetration and have the ability to pierce through even tank modules (shoot the engine and it'll also reach the driver). In the first place, have you ever shot with the ARL-44? If you can shoot the center of mass, you can one-shot tanks and not care about aiming. Hell, I often had one-shots from shooting tanks in the turret from behind or just shooting them from the side while making sure spalling goes to the right places. If solid shots got buffed, they would be OP, because they usually trade some post-pen damage for amazing pen that usually lets you disable an enemy vehicle faster than they can disable u.
I remember when AP and APCR did so little damage that I wasn’t able to kill a Ferdi with a M41s shells because the ammo just turned yellow or orange. Then AP was buffed and you would very easily cause ammo detonations. Nowadays it’s almost as bad as it used to be 😑
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If you do a part 2, use the M93 Shot.
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Honestly solid shot of any kind even APDS is ridiculous in WT. They feel like infantry anti tank rifle rounds not shells at all
I think we would have done more damage if we threw our boots at the target instead
Cheeseburgers would have been better 😂
Boots are definitely better than fancy toothpicks!
😂😂😂
I need a spookston phly and oddbawz cross immediately
Small arms fire more affective then ap rounds
Gaijin logic: shrapnel is going to pass through the crew and only give them a paper cut, but will also be enough to entirely disable a massive tiger engine.
it's not shrapnel has ever been a problem in war. it's like confetti when it enters the tank
@@Corium1 yeah everyone knows what really kills people is the concussive blast, that’s why we mostly use explosive hand grenades instead of fragmentation
Tbf shrapnel in an engine generally has a much worse effect that shrapnel in a dude
@@Corium1 except that shrapnel is called spalling and they have built liners into tanks because without that liner, Hesh rounds are actually dangerous to the crew of a tank.
Lil bit of information for ya, H.E.S.H rounds or High explosive squash head rounds are designed to pancake on impact before detonating, and the explosive force turns the inside of the tank into a weapon against the crew. Slinging shrapnel around the crew cabin like a blender. Before Spall liners became a thing, it wasnt uncommon to find a dead tank with no holes in the hull, but the crew inside shredded by shrapnel, with a matching surface on the interior of the cabin where the round hit that looks akin to sandpaper on steroids.
(it was the shrapnel that killed the crews because tanks that had heat rounds impact but not penetrate had concussed but still combat operational crews.)
As soon as spall liners became standard kit for tanks, Hesh rounds became completely useless for anything armored and got relegated to anti structure and anti vehicle(think halftracks and such) or anti Infantry because its a big ass explosive.
If shrapnel was like confetti when it entered a tank, tanks wouldnt have spall liners, Gaijin just doesnt seem to understand that shrapnel from round penetrations dont just hit once, they bounce around the interior of the tank until they run out of energy, Due to that, the crews of tanks hit by hesh rounds (pre spall liners) often looked like they got chucked into a blender.
@@jackeyboy6538 No, that is not true at all. Militaries use hand grenades specifically designed to send shrapnel flying upon detonation.
‘Today we use only solid shot and suffer’
British mains: are we a joke to you?
Yes
Yes
I agree!
Gaijin certainly thinks so!
I mean capped solid shot is somewhat bearable but it's still not great
Imagine happily playing Germany one day and then these two rip through your team using only solid shot.
I wouldn't even be mad, most of the time my team is trash, and the few times I do get a good team - they are gods.
So basically vursing the British lol
I’ve never been happy playing Germany :( I suck and so do my team lol
top tier germany is getting roflstomped by USA rn
@@ravenouself4181 ikr 98.5% my team is so bad that even getting 10 kills in a full uptier without(vs the soviets too) dying in a Pz4-H and we lose. The other 2% is a reasonable team which you can rely on but luck has some role . but the 0.5% actual good players stomp the opposition so bad you kinda feel bad
As a Britain main this is just every day gameplay.
Its very rewarding once you learn where to shoot though.
Playing the A.C.I helped me master the art of the 2 pounder.
Agreed, British solid shot, especially the APCBC out the 17pdr is very rewarding to shoot.
I main Britain and the 4.7 lineup is still my favourite of all time.
The Firefly Shreds.
@@ZWS_Link I like being able to move forward quickly so i use the avenger and concept with a typhoon mk Ib. for CAS at 4.7 RB
@@leiaorgana5098 typhoon is pretty great. Tbf, all British stuff that isn't reserve or sub 2.3 is able to do SOMETHING.
@@ZWS_Link I'm a big fan of 3.0 and 3.3, I have a line up for each and the A.C.I is my favorite tank.
I find I dont have quite as much fun until I get up to 8.0 with the Warrior but its more difficult.
4.7 is alright, I like opening with the Concept for speed and now we have the Croc for memes.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow don't be dissing the low tiers, I've killed a T34 with a Swordfish, the Daimler is always fun, and even the little Tetrarch can get something going.
the widespread use of the 2 pounder allows for consistent gunplay that is very effective once you learn where to shoot with it. I can one shot an SU-122 from the front if I hit it right.
Now you know what it's like to be a British or French main. Also, on that Panther in the first game, you didn't actually hit the gunner, the shell whooshed over his head because Gaijin recently (like a patch or two ago) dropped the position of the gunner down and raised the commander just to piss players off. It's happened to me too many times to count.
Am I the only WT player who doesn't have these problems with Solid Shot in British tanks? My Achillies and Firefly almost always one shot. My 6pdr vehicles just slightly less so.
@@FeatherWing162 Me like more boom. But all joking aside I play British and I just make use of what I've got and I still enjoy the game but then again I'm a mug player who plays for fun
The difference is the brits and french focus on solid shot so they have good shells for it that spall out way better than these shells.
The only thing is, with American and German solid shot, it has SIGNIFICANTLY less penetration
And the post pen is usually better in a firefly’s APS then in the 76’s AP
Idk why, by my firefly always does decent post pen
"because Gaijin recently (like a patch or two ago) dropped the position of the gunner down and raised the commander just to piss players off. "
That's been a thing for years (two at least), shooting AP at panthers.
Unless you hit the turret face at a downward angle (rare unless shooting down at them), or hit low, right on the edge of non-penning, you won't hit the gunner with solid rounds.
It's funny, cause for British mains (like myself), we use solid shot for more damage, cause it spalls more obviously. And everybody else just doesn't know how well off they are.
french tanker here.. we also have to suffer with the solid shot lol
But we are superior because solid shot requires more skill!!!!!!!
Atleast brits get the pen to compensate, the american solid shot has bad pen and no post pen
@@treibhauseffekt8817 but you get aphe, we dont. you need at least 2 well placed shots to kill most tanks.
@apefish and your br is lower because of it. Whereas the US stock experience is brought down because the usable shell is locked behind research. Both are suffering. Also think about the people who are grinding stock vehicles, they dont have the aphe, yet their br is at a level that assumes they do.
welcome to the British experience. I swear unless it's the mk 9 shell trying to kill anything with one shell is a pain when it is solid shot.
Hugely thankful that the solid shot pen is at least decent on the 17 Pounder
@@Edo_Ginting the rest of 1-7.0 💀
People be like "Yo, britain has great penning guns" like yeah... but the same type of round with meh post pen for 90% of the tanks... yeah no thanks.
@@ideadlift20kg83 innit, British tanks suffer. Only good thing is the armour tbh
@@txvgq nah, I main Britain and i can usually one shot with everything except for the 40mm 2pdr
You and Spookston are my 2 favorite WT youtubers, this video is a blessing
based and yukari pilled
There's another similar by them "the spookston problem"
@@DatInnocentGuy yeah I've seen it before, very entertaining
@@thatcrusader3922 👌
This is what it must have felt as a WW 2 US submariner at the start of the war with the MK14 torpedo.
Or a torpedo bomber pilot with the Mk. 13
Solid shot worked a lot better than APHE in real life so eh. Unfortunately War Thunder isn't real life...
You two are such a dynamic duo on the field. A series of occasional post of you two would be awesome.
As everyone else has mentioned, once you get use to the fact your shell doesn't explode, you learn specifically where to shoot with each tank, but it can be difficult at times because it always varies with what nation you are playing against, and sometimes you don't have the time to remember where, or even just determine what you are fighting against. It can scare you though sometimes to make really insufficient plays when you aren't use to it. For example, you still could have shot center mass at 21:08 on that Panther as your intuition told you, I usually do it all the time and take out the ammo. I say all of this as a French main, Britain being my second.
I remember when I first started I mained the brits up until about 5.0 then decided to give the russian tanks a try. It was like easy mode, almost boring. 5 years later I'm still a Brit main. There's just something very cool about British tanks to me. The 2pdr, 6pdr and 17pdr are my favourite guns in the game. There's something satisfying about dissecting tanks one shell at a time. Then the occasional 1 shot kill is just so wholesome.
I had exactly the same experience. Always played British tanks and am an average player. I hopped into a t34/KV1 once and got twenty kills in a single game.
I noticed the same with the Begleit AP. Had a Turms side in and fired 10+ rounds until his crew died. The Ammo didn´t go up. Checked later in tank inspector and was dissapointed. 57mm AP, even a direct hit, juts made things orange. Spall was hardly doing anything. Same shot with Puma APFSDS and everthing I hit was immediatly destroyed, also not a lot of spall, but I thing it did more.
Thank you for the entertainment as always OddBawZ.
It seems like you have more fun when playing and chatting with others, which is how this game should be played imho.
I discovered a while ago that in War Thunder I get the most joy from playing French and British tech tree (as well as the other minor nations that have enough of their own line up to not just use the big 3's good vehicles).
Reason seems to be when playing USA, Germany, USSR I can get 4-8 kills semi reliably while fighting for capture points and stuff (not map edge camping, I get bored when not moving) and be like "yep.. next game".
Playing the French/British/etc I can get 2-4 kills and if we manage to win I feel like "yep, we earned that".
It's really weird because it's not like you don't have to play half decent with the big 3 to earn a good result...
“It only took my 5 shots to kill a bulldog with no armour” the low tier Britain experience 😂😭
Finally somebody took this topic in to the video
Thank you bois.
W.T. should finally do something about solid rounds.
they arent inherently bad
just american rounds are pure shit
Thats how a British Main has it every Match
You, Phly, Spook and Justin should do a video someday, it would be the ultimate squad!
I discovered your channel through Spookston. You guys are both great, but together, you're MAGICAL! Please keep up the collaborations!
the amount of uploads are crazy! great job oddbawz, hope you're enjoying your new pc!! :)
4:30 This is a nightmare... No this is just a default British experience
I remember when the solid shot had more pen than the APHE on most of the tanks. Had fuck all for spalling but if you hit ammo it was reasonably effective at setting it off. Then they adjusted things.
adjusted with their totally working standardised ammo system which makes nearly all apcr shells pen less than the aphe and ap rounds
Stock shells in these canons really make you appreciate the .50
Alternate titles: “War Thunders APC Problem” or “ The M79 Experience”.
Love seeing you colab Odd.
M79 isn't even capped lol
Solid shot hurts me so much. It makes alot of the british tree such a pain lol
As a British 7.3 player, this video is absolutely normal to me :cri:
15:20 Just like my teammates after I mark the map in front of them.
Since they changed the stock shell of the M1 cannon, I have found myself accidentally bringing M79 over M62 in some games where I decide to revisit the other 76mm armed models of the Sherman. On one occassion I took out the M4A1 76 with my only AP round being M79 and I managed to get 9 kills in one life, I dunno what that says about the tank, tank's shell, or me but regardless, I switched back to M62 shot pronto after that hiccup.
imagine that experience but it's half a tech tree (and it's the same gun from 1.0 to 4.0) and you've got Britain in one sentence
Your m18 has the same symbol my basic training unit uses. Gotta love the hell kitty with the tank in its mouth
Me happy to see Odd again. Missed your videos and I'm glad you're finally back!
In North Africa the 8th Army Grant tanks used captured German 75mm APHE shells as they were more effective than the solid shot AP rounds they were supplied with.
That’s because German rounds were capped, meaning they were more effective against German tanks that used FHA as armor. The Pzgr. 39 also has more performance than the US M61 and M62.
Brit main here. Solid shot can be pain, but its satisfying when you one shot with it
in other words "We played britain with STOCK SHELLS at it was PAIN!"
I'm really impressed, now it is what 4x in a row👏
I have noticed non-British solid shot does far less damage than British. Even Russian solid shot is comparatively weak. No bias for solid shot.
Tip: doesn’t matter if you have APHE or not, (except if the ammo of choice is APCR) always go with the round that has higher penetration power
“Hans why are you not firing ze kanon?”
“Ze ammo is chopped in half Karl”
Many current players won't know this, but when the US tech tree was added... solid shot was the best ammo the 76mm gun got. My win rate at that time with any tank using the US 76mm was below 40%. I could not wait to grind my way past them back then. It's why tanks like the M18 was at BR 4.3 when it was first added. Then came the APHE buff with much higher pen for the US 76mm and now the M18 is at 5.7 and the T20 is at 6.0.
AP Solid Shots in War Thunder - one of the worst-damaging ammo types
AP Solid Shots IRL - One hit and your tank is disabled...
Cries in french tanks
Yep, the solid shot experience is pretty miserable in War Thunder, despite it being historically not being much different from APHE.
Also, a suggestion on what to play next:
Pretty much any vehicle on the Cromwell chassis has a reverse gear that's so slow it's nearly useless.
So how about, as a challenge, you unbind the key to reverse and can only go forwards or turn (around).
Might be fun, there's also the swedish Comet and Charioteer from the last patch, if you're looking for an excuse to play them. Otherwise, "Challenge in a Challenger" has a nice ring (and TH-cam title) to it
After the update my french M-10 wolverine no longer had aphe from stock and it was replaced by apcr. Thanks gaijin
Meanwhile french mains: oh ya having a bad Time?
@ 15:17 certified german main moment
I came back and played my fav M18 a few weeks ago and didn't check what ammo I was using so I had to endure 3 matches of wondering why I can't kill anyone on the side in 1 shot consistently, I was so mad I didn't even bother to check it
I think the stock jpz 4-5 is one of the worst experience I’ve ever had
Currently grinding the British tech tree. It is pure pain sometimes.
spookston: is the challenger classed as a light tank
me: me confused but it has more armour than you.
I personally wish that APHE was a cone, rather than a sphere, but I know a lot of people would be mad if it got changed in favor of realism.
this is by far my fav BR for usa. When researching the default round it sucked so bad. i feel your pain.
Solid shot ammo is why I pretty much gave up on British tanks at rank 3. So frustrating.
I have recently started working on the British tanks so I know this pain
I hope that one day we’ll get a collaboration with you, Spookston, PhlyDaily and Dollarplays.
Odd and Spookston: Solid shot is awful!
GBR Mains: First time?
love the duo videos! keep them coming!
Always nice watching your vids Bawz, but it always came to my mind the way you talked and laughed while gaming reminds me of Marleythethirteenth :)
Look at how smooth the stabalizer is .
ahhhh someone vindicating the suffering i'm experiencing while grinding Britain
aside from their weird decision to remove 5 degrees of gun drepession from their 76 sherman firefly/VC, making it near useless on hills, takes 2-3 shots to kill anything.
Literally my life right now as I’ve started grinding British finally from 1.0, it’s such pain. You have to shoot each person individually sometimes, especially the 57. No consistency
Thanks odd for the fun content! Keep it up;)
Totally agreed! Tried it yesterday and cant even penetrate Tiger II side from 100m
For the longest time I didn't understand the difference between the different shells and I would shoot solid shot into ammo and nothing would happen. Do it with something that has explosive filler and it would kill them so I thought solid shot couldn't detonate the ammo
Illustrates why Great Britain is such a painful slog to go up, since they get no option but solid shot for most things. It's brutal. They need to improve spalling and shrapnel bouncing around or something to improve chance of killing crew.
Bruh grinding these tanks was absolute pain because of the solid shot
I used both the US 76mm AP and the AP in the KV-1 while spading things. The smaller crappier KV-1 AP spalls the same or more, not kidding. There is something wrong with the US 76mm AP.
Sooo… you lived the life of a British main. I did this every day for many months
Solid shot is THE torture shell. Not for your enemy, But for you trying to kill said enemy.
"This hurts me as much as it hurts you."
~A Cromwell putting his 8th shell into a T-34.
I run those ap shots I'm actually pretty good at landing shots with it. Obviously some days I just get snailed over and over again
It also got a lot worse for Brit 2.7 this week, apart from Su122 and the Sherm105 everywhere suddenly every single match suddenly shifted to FULL up tiers where entire enemy team is 3.3 and 3.7 .... no, not just the usual mix !
Until this week 2.7 Brit line up has been my relax fun line line, I play it regularly every night , something changed this week in the alGaijithm
So in 2.7 (land and air Brit) now face all :
PzIV's F2-J's, Ostwind, Whirblewind's, Stug F ... on top of the usual Puma, Stuh42, PzIII J/J1,
M24's, M4A1 and M4, M16,
T34(41), KV1 L-11.
Curious I tried playing my 3.3 and 3.7 German line up and guess what every match was basically a down tier against all the ' W.T. Minor Nations' 2.7 !!
Yeah lmao when I get tired of being fucked by no pens on tigers that should go through I play 3.7 Germany and consistently play against low tier and reserve tanks of minor nations lmao
I thought I was going mental when I brought out my USA lineup for the first time in months if not years and suddenly was firing solid shot.
CLYMIDEA the second…this hurts me more than you know…lol i spat out my tea at this
The accent is enough for me to sit down and watch this guy play any game any day of the week!!
And of course sub too.
Also, welcome to our world, people like me who have to grind the whole equipment to get that good ammo
I've had all the 76 shermans since very shortlu after they were added, my favorite WW2 era gun. We just try not to look at the solid shot...
[sees tank in distance]
"Thats a Kingtiger"
Me be like: Ah yes... Tank
Oh a colab.. sweet ❤️
Me a British main.... "What evils dost thou speaketh of the AP?!"
Me when no-one's looking.... thankful after grinding hours to get to South African HEAT rounds, no matter how poorly they pen angles.
I played recently lot of tanks with british 17-pounder at 5.0-6.0 and avenger/challanger became like my favorite tank, because of the gun + mobility.
The APCBC shell from 17-pounder create so much shrapnell that you can one shot panthers from the side (if you aim well enough even if you shot them at 90 angle), and with 170-190mm of pen you can pen the sides from quite steep angles.
Seeing how bad the solid shot from sherman is pains me physically. Solid shots vary depending on the nation i suppose, because french shells are "ok" too.
Only way the ammo turning red and not killing the tank makes sense is if the ammo that was hit was also solely solid shot
I Just jove it when you two play together you're the best duo ever.
The same thing happened to me I hit a stug in the ammo with 37mm solid shot nothing.
The collab we've all been waiting for!!
im all for these spookston colabs 100% my odd
"or as normal people call it, the ez-8" or as actually normal people call it, the sherman 76mm
Honestly I can’t remember a time I had trouble with solid shot while going through the British tree. You just can’t assume a 1-shot by default. Just plan your attacks around taking a 2nd shot. You’ll probably get used to it after a while.
Same here, I learned the art of solid shots using the achillies (3.3 with 190mm penetration)
@@txvgq I learnt it with the ww2 challenger and matilda hedgehog, everything else usually does fine
So, I had taken quite a break from war thunder. When I got back, I couldn't figure out why I was SO bad with these craft... this explains a lot
I like how in real life there's a slight benefit to APHE, and in war thunder it might as well be a satchel charge that you inject into enemy tanks.
For example, the BR-350 shells (iirc they're the ones) on the T-28 and anything else with a Soviet 76mm, basically as soon as it gets through armour it sets off what seems to be a miniature nuke
YESSS SPOOKSTON AND ODD COLLABE
7:00 the ammo not blowing up on the sa50, could it be because the tank uses also AP rounds with out any HE filler so you just cant ammo rack it and instead it just breaks the ammo (removes it from tanks reserve)
oh odd, I watched you in muffins video with the abrams vs tigers.. you showed why you are one of the top players in WT..
It's a giant stuart with thicker targets up until aphe is unlocked haha.
Big G spent 18 seconds designing the AP round thinking no sane play will ever use this…
Can you do a ammo explanation with all the different tank battle ratings cuz I have started playing but don't understand the ammo and were to shoot to kill
Britain/France Gameplay be like
M79 isnt representative of solid shot as a whole. It really is an abysmal round.
I agree with Gaijin's decision actually. They are a company to make money. If the APCBC ammo becomes a premium ammo, people would buy that option for sure. Next step would be to sell the ammo with GE as well 👍
Solid shot can be great if the cannon is big and the shell is not just pure AP. One of the reasons I love the ARL-44 is because despite the shell being solid shot, I have had luck one-shotting alot of vehicles and lolpenning them with ease. That's also one of the reasons 7.3-7.7 French tanks are so strong, despite using solid shots, they're huge APCBC shells from big cannons that can be spammed from every 4 to 6 seconds.
But those huge solid AP shells still deal less damage than a 75mm APHE shell.
Solid shot is garbage in War Thunder, they should be buffed.
@@carlblack8574 Those huge solid AP shells have the benefit of bigger penetration and have the ability to pierce through even tank modules (shoot the engine and it'll also reach the driver). In the first place, have you ever shot with the ARL-44? If you can shoot the center of mass, you can one-shot tanks and not care about aiming. Hell, I often had one-shots from shooting tanks in the turret from behind or just shooting them from the side while making sure spalling goes to the right places. If solid shots got buffed, they would be OP, because they usually trade some post-pen damage for amazing pen that usually lets you disable an enemy vehicle faster than they can disable u.
I remember when AP and APCR did so little damage that I wasn’t able to kill a Ferdi with a M41s shells because the ammo just turned yellow or orange.
Then AP was buffed and you would very easily cause ammo detonations.
Nowadays it’s almost as bad as it used to be 😑