aboodz I sold my multi and have the first version of the 1290 SA (white version), and it's great...this version is even better, although I'd prefer spoked wheels to these cast wheels
A comparison with the Multistrada 1200S will be apt considering this has all the features that the Multistrada 1200S has (TFT screen, cornering ABS, cornering headlights etc. etc.) and is meant to do the same thing i.e. munch immense amount of miles.
Well this is my first comment on TH-cam in three years . But dude I must say your channel is awesome. You will definitely reach million subscribers pretty soon.
Nice review. You have a good, clear presenting style. Would love to take a trip to Corsica. Looks like they found challenging, bumpy roads... just like our A roads in England!
Agreed and should include some off-road on the "road" models and some fast road/track on the more off-road models so folks can work out which is best for their typical use.
great bike..would have been my next one but..bit too tall for me. once KTM start doing lowered suspension like BMW on these I think they will shift loads more. now they have the R off road version I think they should definitely do it
The cast wheels have spokes, othherwise they wouldn't work very well! ;) "wire spoked" is the other type. I think it's 160 DIN HP too, not BHP - not that there is a huge amount between the two. Other than those and talking about iPad instead of tablet, great review, thanks!
Great review! I've been riding off and on for a long time. I've owned, or road, almost everything over the years. My question is, 1300 CC's, I thought everyone was going to stop at 1000, then 1100, then 1200!? How much displacement do we need on motorcycles? The vast majority of us will NEVER use all the power these bikes have on tap, so how much is enough?
More and more I like it. Besides BMW is this the only really serious contender my future enduro motorcycle! I hope that they improved aluminum wheels and that all this electronics enough "Japanese" Reliable !!!
I was under the impression that LED lights don't generate any heat, that's why household LED lights are cheaper to run, less wasted energy in the form of heat. Or am I being too picky and there's a transformer in the lighting circuit generating the heat?
They're more efficient than traditional tungsten/halogen bulbs, but they're not 100% efficient. I.e. some of the energy is still heat. A powerful LED bulb still gives out a fair amount of heat energy.
***** just looked it up you're quite right. Apparently LED's don't produce IR energy like regular bulbs but amazingly around 85% is still lost as heat. Only just finished breakfast and I've learned something new!
Brad Bilski look like it will not come to the states, I always wonder who is the idiot that decided not to bring it here,since is basically the bike i was looking for.and everyone I talk is saying the same,the r model is a bit too off road, and the regular sa is a bit too much,this is probably the best compromise.
Yes I agree. I almost bought a 1290 SA last month but went for the R1200GS instead because it's a better all around bike. KTM needs to step up with a better warranty too. If you read their US warranty it basically covers the frame, swing arm casting and the engine block. No moving parts and no electronics are technically covered. A little risky for a bike with 8 computers. I do like the brand though. They'll get things sorted out soon. When they do I'll give them a try.
Yes, cast are usually lighter than wire spoked as the wire ones are usually made from steel and the cast from aluminium, magnesium or some light-weight alloy of those kinds of material.
EU Bike Dude MSE owner here and I would kinda have to agree a bit. I myself have solved this problem by adding a full system along with a Rapid Bike ECU. Major difference! Once the cat is removed and the engine retuned it's absolutely amazing now. Fueling is perfect and everything is buttery smooth all the way down low. I love the sound of the engine and the character of the bike. I'm really looking forward to the upcoming comparison video! Thanks for replying!
I currently have an MS ST and did the same with a TuneBoy system inc quickshift. Mine pulls off the line better than a brand new one. I still think the 1290 is nicer overall and have one "coming soon".
yea clogged carbs are a real pain, so are getting them to run at altitude and they are far less powerful BUT I'm just not ready to bring a soldering iron, solder/Flux, various ICs, resistors and a full schematic to fix something when I'm adventuring :) I'll leave that on the workbench
The Big Bang oh good sir quite the contrary, I have a degree in information systems and plan on a career in networking technologies. people like me keep this place going for pedestrians such as yourself. but hey, go spend that money and when you actually do go off road instead of sitting at Starbucks and break that fancy display. let me know how much it costs cause you could probably by 2 of my bikes for it and they'll last just as long ;)
I hate seeing riders cross the center line on corners. Very bad habit and always ends up in an accident one day. Rule 1 stay inside the center line always.
it doesnt' make it the most powerful bike in the sector, multistrada enduro, has same 160 horses. and to my taste looks way better, this one has a face of a wilderbeast, which is one of the ugliest animals but again that is just me....
KI is actually great, especially coupled with the keyless fuel cap, especially when filling up in the rain. :) (I've had it on my current bike for the last 4 years, have you used it?). I think the light looks fine but more importantly is the performance which appears to be on a new level versus anything else out there currenttly.
you are a strange person ^^ keyless ignition is bullshit.....it sure is not worse than normal but costs money and you do not need it so it just isnt worth it.... also performance is probably the least important thing on travel/offroad bikes, things like weight, price, handling, reliabilty etc are what counts for normal ppl.
Why strange? It's a convenience feature. We probably don't need 160hop enduros either but they are fun. The competitors in this (expensive) market segment all have KI too and given a lot of new cars have it standard too it's not expensive to implement these days. All of the other things you talk about are the same for any bike, so I'm not sure what your point is and weight/handling are part of the performance equation.
performence is important for supersport or sportbikes, others need for example good sound / suspension / light weigt etc. ofc it is always good if the bike is good at everything but iw never will and all the different models have special key features and things they are good at and travel/offroad bikes do not need the best performence/power. also in cars its the same with wireless keys, total bullshit....... It is simple, it has a negative point: it costs money and then there may be some positive points like you can keep the key in your pocket (which i dont think is usefull or positive ( at least for me)) but for most (not as strange as you ppl) the negative point overwhelmes the basically nonexisting positive points. These are the reasons why i said you are strange ^^
Sorry but I NEED the comfort of an upright bike (health issues) but still WANT the performance of a sportsbike (for the fun of riding) and the "creature comforts/convenience features" are a bonus. Yes the buy in price is high but it also means I can have one bike with all of this instead of having to have space/funds for several and in the case of sports bikes not be able to ride them any more. Please explain how exactly the KI is total bullshit? It allows you to leave the key in your jacket pocket (I never take mine out, I have a separate one for luggae that will not start the bike). It means you never leave it in the bike (less likely to forget your jacket than the key) and you just get on and ride. It's tricial for them to add and they save the cost/weight/cabling of a switch - bonus. :) Tied to the fuel cap you can fill up without reong gloves, opening zips etc. which is very handy when it's raining (as I mentioned), you only need to take your glove off when you get inside the warm/dry shop or your home.
great bike..would have been my next one but..bit too tall for me. once KTM start doing lowered suspension like BMW on these I think they will shift loads more. now they have the R off road version I think they should definitely do it
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KTM, Triumph, Honda and Yamaha have the BMW in their crosshairs.
Dear Santa...
I think I would take this over the Multistrada, as much as I like Ducatis.
aboodz i feel ya. ducatisti in my heart but I'd buy this over the multi
aboodz I sold my multi and have the first version of the 1290 SA (white version), and it's great...this version is even better, although I'd prefer spoked wheels to these cast wheels
Enjoy it and ride safe, brother! One day... :)
Terrific review, very complete....and fun to watch.
Thanks
A comparison with the Multistrada 1200S will be apt considering this has all the features that the Multistrada 1200S has (TFT screen, cornering ABS, cornering headlights etc. etc.) and is meant to do the same thing i.e. munch immense amount of miles.
Full of Technology, Great Looks and Brand, that's Why I love KTM. 😘
Well this is my first comment on TH-cam in three years . But dude I must say your channel is awesome. You will definitely reach million subscribers pretty soon.
Thanks!
very clever idea with the led cooling like it!
It is, it doubles as the support bracket = win-win.
Nice review. You have a good, clear presenting style. Would love to take a trip to Corsica. Looks like they found challenging, bumpy roads... just like our A roads in England!
It's a brilliant review ! This bike looks fantastic and seems to ride perfectly.
Excellent report very down to earth and informative, well done. This bike is next on my list.
the head to head sounds interesting
Agreed and should include some off-road on the "road" models and some fast road/track on the more off-road models so folks can work out which is best for their typical use.
pong lenis yes! Yes! Yes!!!
Great review in a lovely location, too bad it rained on you :0P ....can't wait to have a ride on one of these puppies myself - all the best - TMF
Knox has fantastic gear, but it's so expensive. I might buy a jacket for the summer.
Good video and would be really interested to see the big 2017 adventure bike shoot out with Chris Northover
That bike looks impressive
Thanks.. Nice review on the whole! But.. no word on the luggage though or did I miss it? The new improvements along with the "floating system"??
As long as the display isn't like the old KTM clocks where moisture gets in and they pretend it never happens...
great bike..would have been my next one but..bit too tall for me. once KTM start doing lowered suspension like BMW on these I think they will shift loads more. now they have the R off road version I think they should definitely do it
Nice little test, your talked about trio could perhaps better be XR over GS? Seems the more even company.
The cast wheels have spokes, othherwise they wouldn't work very well! ;)
"wire spoked" is the other type.
I think it's 160 DIN HP too, not BHP - not that there is a huge amount between the two.
Other than those and talking about iPad instead of tablet, great review, thanks!
Great work Chris!!!
looking forward to when u compare all 3
Really nice video...thumbs up...thanks.
This was a nice review can you please review on Ktm duke 390
Your wish is my command!!! 👍🏼
Thanks a lot looking forward for that review
Great review!
I've been riding off and on for a long time. I've owned, or road, almost everything over the years. My question is, 1300 CC's, I thought everyone was going to stop at 1000, then 1100, then 1200!? How much displacement do we need on motorcycles? The vast majority of us will NEVER use all the power these bikes have on tap, so how much is enough?
MORE is enough.
Hey when is the head to head between the big three coming up?
Very soon Roger
Great review.
More and more I like it. Besides BMW is this the only really serious contender my future enduro motorcycle! I hope that they improved aluminum wheels and that all this electronics enough "Japanese" Reliable !!!
awesome review.... managed to do that comparison review?
Thanks!!! Good job!
Great Review
Thanks
I was under the impression that LED lights don't generate any heat, that's why household LED lights are cheaper to run, less wasted energy in the form of heat.
Or am I being too picky and there's a transformer in the lighting circuit generating the heat?
They're more efficient than traditional tungsten/halogen bulbs, but they're not 100% efficient. I.e. some of the energy is still heat. A powerful LED bulb still gives out a fair amount of heat energy.
***** just looked it up you're quite right. Apparently LED's don't produce IR energy like regular bulbs but amazingly around 85% is still lost as heat.
Only just finished breakfast and I've learned something new!
That's absolutely a great bike but sorry GS is still my dream bike 😀
Nice review. Does KTM have any plans to offer this bike in the USA?
Brad Bilski look like it will not come to the states, I always wonder who is the idiot that decided not to bring it here,since is basically the bike i was looking for.and everyone I talk is saying the same,the r model is a bit too off road, and the regular sa is a bit too much,this is probably the best compromise.
Yes I agree. I almost bought a 1290 SA last month but went for the R1200GS instead because it's a better all around bike. KTM needs to step up with a better warranty too. If you read their US warranty it basically covers the frame, swing arm casting and the engine block. No moving parts and no electronics are technically covered. A little risky for a bike with 8 computers. I do like the brand though. They'll get things sorted out soon. When they do I'll give them a try.
Is there any aftermarket screen protector available on the headlight???
cast wheels lighter than spokes?? would be suprised..
Yes, cast are usually lighter than wire spoked as the wire ones are usually made from steel and the cast from aluminium, magnesium or some light-weight alloy of those kinds of material.
spoked wheels have an aluminium rim and hub, only the spokes are stainless steel.
Correct, but the weight of all those steel spokes adds up. The cast ones have spokes too ...
Yes as a generalisation, cast wheels are lighter than spoked wheels, and would no doubt be the case in this example.
The Ducati Multistrada Enduro also has 160 bhp...
Is this in reference to it being the most powerful in it's sector?
Correct! Thanks for replying! Can't wait to see the upcoming comparison video!
The MSE also weighs more and is slower turning and much, much weedier at low RPM.
EU Bike Dude MSE owner here and I would kinda have to agree a bit. I myself have solved this problem by adding a full system along with a Rapid Bike ECU. Major difference! Once the cat is removed and the engine retuned it's absolutely amazing now. Fueling is perfect and everything is buttery smooth all the way down low. I love the sound of the engine and the character of the bike. I'm really looking forward to the upcoming comparison video! Thanks for replying!
I currently have an MS ST and did the same with a TuneBoy system inc quickshift.
Mine pulls off the line better than a brand new one. I still think the 1290 is nicer overall and have one "coming soon".
Will there be a mini 390 version?
forgot about mentioning the new tiger explorer for the comparo. It belongs to that group...
Bike world isn't on motors tv no more,as it moved to another channel.
Kevin Westwood Thanks for that.I had no idea.
Kevin Westwood motors TV is now motorsport TV I believe... Still there on sky! It relaunched at the start of March!!
Yes,bike world used to be on thursdays 9pm,hasn't been on for some time.
We're still there guys, MotorsTV is now motorsport.tv. We're on next Thursday.
great vid
Thanks
Bike World how is the fuel consumption?
It's difficult to tell when we're on one of these launches, we were riding all day though without filling up.
Bike World alright thanks for the fast reply!
what gloves are you wearing in the vid?
This is savage
and thay rim
Hey guys what tv channel is Bike World on
We're on Motorsport TV on SKY in the UK, channel 447.
more electrics to break, awesome!
Greg Hammond Just had the electronics go out on my Aprilia...joy!
And carbs/jets never break or clog, let's all go back to those then! ;) Might as well fit gas lamps on the front while we are at it eh? ;)
yea clogged carbs are a real pain, so are getting them to run at altitude and they are far less powerful
BUT
I'm just not ready to bring a soldering iron, solder/Flux, various ICs, resistors and a full schematic to fix something when I'm adventuring :)
I'll leave that on the workbench
The Big Bang oh good sir quite the contrary, I have a degree in information systems and plan on a career in networking technologies. people like me keep this place going for pedestrians such as yourself.
but hey, go spend that money and when you actually do go off road instead of sitting at Starbucks and break that fancy display. let me know how much it costs cause you could probably by 2 of my bikes for it and they'll last just as long ;)
The Big Bang oh I see what you did over the Internet. stick with orange bro, since everything else won't be able to handle your lack of skill :)
I hate seeing riders cross the center line on corners. Very bad habit and always ends up in an accident one day. Rule 1 stay inside the center line always.
Kitna deti Hein ? What's the mileage ?
Around 20 kmpl
heyyyx
and bikll
I lave muoosikll
hideos headlight and the panniers is ugly too
it doesnt' make it the most powerful bike in the sector, multistrada enduro, has same 160 horses. and to my taste looks way better, this one has a face of a wilderbeast, which is one of the ugliest animals but again that is just me....
Sergey Absolute my bad!! 👍🏼
The bags are ugly.
Great bike, nice review but......talking on the phone on a bike??? Shut down your handy and enjoy a complete day for yourself
Keyless ignition in bikes is just stupid. And the front light is hideous.
KI is actually great, especially coupled with the keyless fuel cap, especially when filling up in the rain. :)
(I've had it on my current bike for the last 4 years, have you used it?).
I think the light looks fine but more importantly is the performance which appears to be on a new level versus anything else out there currenttly.
you are a strange person ^^
keyless ignition is bullshit.....it sure is not worse than normal but costs money and you do not need it so it just isnt worth it....
also performance is probably the least important thing on travel/offroad bikes, things like weight, price, handling, reliabilty etc are what counts for normal ppl.
Why strange? It's a convenience feature. We probably don't need 160hop enduros either but they are fun.
The competitors in this (expensive) market segment all have KI too and given a lot of new cars have it standard too it's not expensive to implement these days.
All of the other things you talk about are the same for any bike, so I'm not sure what your point is and weight/handling are part of the performance equation.
performence is important for supersport or sportbikes, others need for example good sound / suspension / light weigt etc.
ofc it is always good if the bike is good at everything but iw never will and all the different models have special key features and things they are good at and travel/offroad bikes do not need the best performence/power.
also in cars its the same with wireless keys, total bullshit.......
It is simple, it has a negative point: it costs money
and then there may be some positive points like you can keep the key in your pocket (which i dont think is usefull or positive ( at least for me))
but for most (not as strange as you ppl) the negative point overwhelmes the basically nonexisting positive points.
These are the reasons why i said you are strange ^^
Sorry but I NEED the comfort of an upright bike (health issues) but still WANT the performance of a sportsbike (for the fun of riding) and the "creature comforts/convenience features" are a bonus.
Yes the buy in price is high but it also means I can have one bike with all of this instead of having to have space/funds for several and in the case of sports bikes not be able to ride them any more.
Please explain how exactly the KI is total bullshit?
It allows you to leave the key in your jacket pocket (I never take mine out, I have a separate one for luggae that will not start the bike). It means you never leave it in the bike (less likely to forget your jacket than the key) and you just get on and ride. It's tricial for them to add and they save the cost/weight/cabling of a switch - bonus. :) Tied to the fuel cap you can fill up without reong gloves, opening zips etc. which is very handy when it's raining (as I mentioned), you only need to take your glove off when you get inside the warm/dry shop or your home.
great bike..would have been my next one but..bit too tall for me. once KTM start doing lowered suspension like BMW on these I think they will shift loads more. now they have the R off road version I think they should definitely do it