Nah. He was that dude that asked the teacher about every math problem you got correct while correcting your work just because you didn't solve it the way the teacher showed. He's not even smart enough to know the alternative routes that the teacher didn't know/cover. He's the sort of foolish you'd expect from a self-proclaimed, self-congratulatory Federalist. Traditional Conservatives are not Conservative. Trad Cons want to make the United States a monarchy some of them were even willing to rejoin the British Empire. Their name Federalist is also anathema to Modern Conservatism(because of state's rights vs the federal state). We're allied but I'm annoyed by them more than the Left is. They're like if Leftists had babies that could actually think somewhat.
@@analove8415 uuuuhhhh wtf, pretty sure no conservatives want to start a monarchy. It's actually the opposite. Traditional conservatism is about small government and putting rights in the hands of state wide government and spreading out the power.
Sicarius never implied it wasn't (unless you were just somewhat randomly mentioning that). Edit: Okay so, "Scarius" is the OP (he changed his name), and the person I was in dialogue with, has deleted his comments. So, just to be clear. I'm in no way against the OP. Just the person who deleted his comments, and who the rest of the thread is also against, because he was dumb as heck).
Simmer down.. jees. The only one who is triggered seems to be you, for some reason... What about my last comment, could possibly have come across as being "triggered" lol. So me saying essentially that he never said classical music wasn't great... is somehow me being triggered... wouldn't it then make more sense if I was to shit on classical music? except I didn't.. because I don't have a single thing against classical music... your replies are very strange.. but you have interested me, so I'll respond anyway. So now you're retracting your first comment where you said: "So you never read his comment,Gotcha." And are now going more with what was in my brackets before your comment: "Unless you were just somewhat randomly mentioning that" Interesting. I never said you had to justify an opinion lol. A "no fucking shit moment", except your first reply to me sure doesn't reflect that understanding: "So you never read his comment,Gotcha." Triggered snowflakes? what the devil lol. You're really bringin' out the vocab today. Hittin' all the marks. Seems a bit ironic to me though. OH, and the Twitter-Trump "SAD" at the end lol. Nice touch, I will admit. I predict your next reply to be really messy and triggered.. hitting all the popular vocabulary words.. I don't think it's going to follow on from this comment all that neatly.. hopefully you're on the same page though so as it's not just resorted down to a bunch of childish insults, because that would be lame. Sorry for the longish comment, I struggle to keep it too short. (EDIT: Oh, notifications entirely stopped for me after this comment.. dang).
@@warfist-mv8mh I love how you don't know what to say in don't understand what that guy was saying to you so you just automatically got defensive and called him triggered simply because he was trying to clear things up and make sure there wasn't a misunderstanding what a joke you probably will call me triggered as well because that's all you people in the internet do when you can't come up with anything to say. also notice he said somewhat random he didn't say you were completely random
@@awesomet8388 Aesop Rock, MF DOOM, Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, Pusha T. These artists have a message and point in most of their songs. Rapping about selling drugs isn't promoting drugs. Not all rap music is bad. Eminem, Joyner Lucas and Ghostface have songs/verses litterally about HIV. Aesop Rock's Garbage is about him being afraid of his ego taking over his rap career and ending up placing him in failure. "Wing of wax? Or wing of Gold leaves? Choose one, float or plumet 20,000 cold leagues." This is a great example of well meaning lyrics. Metalhead, Hip-Hop head, or Classical Music Enthusiast, you will realize that these lyrics are well constructed. Rap specifically isn't badly written all the time.
Born in 1935?!Shit bro people born in the 2000s are complaining about music haha.Also people complain about things in general especially things they don't understand.
@Gary McMichael Dude I think he was just using what most people think of when they think of rock...the GUITAR.Also he said IF Ben was born in 1935.One more thing it's a JOKE.Jesus Christ your calling him ignorant and yet your going off on a TH-cam comment bro.
Heywood Jablome I would recommend earl sweatshirt solace it’s short only ten minutes long but it’s definitely worth a listen and a good departure from all other mainstream rappers
@Charming Billy Most people will interpret sentences ended with periods to be a harsher, more serious tone (within the context of text messages). I don't want to be rude, but hardheadedly adhering to grammar that is proper in writing essays, when communicating in a very different medium seems culturally tone deaf to me. (Not saying you should start typing like "heyyy" and "rawr", just to be conscious of how your messages are interpreted by the other party). As a second sidenode, if you only text other (older?) people that share your sensibilities, then you can ignore what I said all together.
@Charming Billy It wasn't a diss. Keeping up high standards is a good thing. My point was mostly that you should be aware that you might be interpreted wrong when the high standard deviates too much from the norm
RhinoFeverTV “Is the weakest and most pathetic argument I’ve ever heard.” Isn’t even a clause so it’s not proper to connect it to the subject “Criticizing someone’s grammar to try to prove you are right.” via a semicolon. Therefore Bush did 9/11. QED
I knew a bunch of kids growing up named Time, Spring, Present, and some other names dealing with time or whatever. But Time was a major prick, I hated that guy. I wonder what they are up to.
Pince Diop it clearly means cardi is encouraging women in Saudi Arabia to stop letting men rule them and become independent and finally,make them money moves
I have a video proving that IQ is ironically retarded. Imbecile Quest is for people to feel superiour to others just because they know more trivia and are used to more of certain arbitrary problems that are context-limited meaning not universal ergo not necessary for everyone to know making those who don't know NOT stupid for not knowing, but IQ lovers don't care about context because they're dumb.
Playboi Carti: “100 round drum killin everybody.” Playboi Carti has never killed anyone and listening to his music doesn’t make me feel the need to own guns or kill anybody. It’s just exaggerated lyrics that are fun and meant to make you feel emotion just as all music should.
@@ThotDestroyatron He's not a great debater so much as he is a master of using platitudes and flawed disproven studies to talk over his "opponents". He doesn't care about actual discourse.
@@asparagusnoodle I never said anything about me being a good debator. I think i am a quite bad debator. I just think it is unfair to assume someones views and points are invalid based on their understanding of a music genre. Excuse me if i confused you with my bad english skills. If you call me out on my argument you might as well provide a counter argument.
Woah dude, what if the wall street journal catches you here!? Jk, seeing you here gives me so much hope as an ex Muslim woman in the UK that lands centre right honestly 😂
Ben is totally wrong about hip hop. I would argue that true, underground hip hop has the highest level of intellectually merited writing of any genre. Many underground lyricists are highly educated and have graduate degrees. (I've heard guys rap about things as complex as string theory and quantum physics) Ben is singling out one sub-genre of rap (trap music), and subsequently making assumptions about the entire genre. There are thousands, if not millions, of high level lyricists who produce lyrically complex and profound writing. Listen to rappers like illogic, Aesop Rock, Busdriver, Milo, Hemlock Ernst, Eyedea, Sadistick, etc. Just like other types of music there are good and bad sub-genres of hip hop, but to label the entire genre as just an "idiot language by a dumbfuck" is entirely inaccurate and disrespectful to the thousands of underground lyricists creating great pieces of work. This is intellectually dishonest, and I was surprised to see Ben resort to this fallacy. Most hip hop purists don't support this sort of low level writing. There is actually a huge divide between the hip hop community in general right now. We have one side that advocates for high level writing and complex rhyme schemes/subject matter, and another that advocates for low level party music. Ironically, the main consumers of this type of "trap/mumble rap music" are young white males. It is in part because record label executives push this type of "party music", and refuse to sign or promote any rap that has intellectual merit. Another major factor is that most individuals don't pay attention to the lyrics and are only enjoying the music from a sonic standpoint. In short, one half of the genre cares about lyrics and substance, while the other half cares about "being lit" and partying.
Of course Rap is a large genre of various styles, but it's undeniable that Rap music hosts both complete garbage and legitimate music. It's unfortunate some of these "artists" become popular and subsequently represent the genre to those who haven't discovered it.
Instead of Ben making every rap song political (like Bodak Yellow by Cardi B) and ripping them apart for political messages that aren't there, he should look into actual political rap songs and artists like Kendrick Lamar and judge them on their actual political messages.
Listening to Ben Shapiro talk about rap is like listening to your grandpa talk about how people talk today. "Lit? What is 'lit'? Like a candle? Why are people lighting candles? LOL? That's not even a word! They're making up words now? That's just stupid."
I completely agree with you, but I must say that he actually un-ironically uses lit as a word now. When he was asked about whether or not he would like to be asked by Trump to become a Supreme Court judge, he responded, "If he's offering I'll take it! The confirmation hearings would be lit!"
To be fair, a lot of modern lingo is pretty cringe inducing and will be just as dated as saying “golly jee willikers” or “groovy” is in a few years. I tend to stick to more universal phrases that are less likely to go out of style. Like, “cool” or “neat”
Kendrick is actually one of the more introspective rappers currently performing, especially if you only count mainstream ones. While it is true he has described problems the black community has with the police and white people he very often looks at internal problems in the black community and how they're perpetuating a system that only serves to keep themselves under.
@@MultiTaz333 No read the comment again slowly if need be. He factually details the divide between white cops and the black neighborhoods they police. A divide that is reinforced by each sides cause and effect of their fears and poor actions. While also criticizing black men's views on black women, gang lifestyle and false bravado. He doesn't just blame white people for the sake of doing so.
Every decade has a scapegoat. Alleged scapegoats of the 20th and 21st century for moral decadence: 1900 Film 1920 Prohibition (Alcohol), Phonographs 1930 Jazz, Movies 1940 Radio 1950 Dancing 1960 Psychedelic Drugs, Sex 1970 Rock n Roll, Movies (again) 1980 MTV, DnD, Heavy Metal, Rap 1990 Computer Games 2000 Internet 2010 Guns 2018 Video Games (again)
You DO realize that **MORE people die per year by OTHER causes** such as: * heart disease (710,000), * tobacco (480,000), * medical errors (200,000+), * alcohol (estimated 88,000) * drug over-dose (40,000+) * flu (36,000), or * traffic fatalities(34,000) then by guns (30,000), right? Now let's **do the math** on those 30,000 gun deaths: * 65% are suicide, * 15% are by law enforcement, * 3% are accidental discharge deaths, * leaving the remaining 17%, or 5,100 homicides, of your so called "mass murderers" Of those 5,100 homicides: * 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago * 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore * 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit * 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. Meaning 25% of gun crime happens in 4 cities. That means for the _rest_ of the country a **whopping total (sarcasm)** of 3,825 homicides, or around 75 homicides per state. Lastly, try actually _reading_ the Bill of Rights sometime. Just because you live in a wussy country that doesn't have a clue about a person's right to self-defense or _being necessary to the security of a free state_ you can still learn something about the four boxes of liberty: * soap * ballot * jury, and * ammo But continue to whine about how **0.0015% of the population** dying to "mass murders" is a problem and ignore the BIGGER problems such as heart disease, tobacco, alcohol, and traffic. In other words: **You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.** (Thanks to Atlantean for the collecting the initial stats)
Shapiro fans are ignorant sheep. He may "sound" smart, but what comes out of his mouth is usually bullshit. He straw-mans among tons of other dishonest things and is another Pundit puppet for the Republicans. Just because someone is articulate and talks fast doesn't mean what they are saying is true.
Ben Shapiro often sounds like my little brother when he tries to be clever by over-analysing things and adding perceived meanings that they don't have.
lmao what the fuck my brother is the same. He starts out by trying to make a valid point against something, then I make the counter argument and he just says "lmao what's the point we're all gonna die anyway" like yeah bro nice one Me - 0 You - 1
Honestly f this is your first video then I’m assuming the only political videos you’ve ever seen on TH-cam are probably the “Ben Shapiro DESTORYS liberals with FACTS and LOGIC” clickbait titles.
I’d love Ben to have a conversation with Andre 3000 or MF Doom or Kendrick Lamar. Those three are more artistic, poetic, and eloquent than Ben could ever be
Rap, like any genre of entertainment can be objectively bad, politically charged, or tied to criminality. However to say that all rap fits these three boxes is a hasty generalization fallacy.
Yeah, But back in the day there was the rock and roll movement, Which was a massive movement, Most of its music focused on drug use, Sex, Violence, and an overall change from societal norms. Many adults in the modern day grew up on rock and roll and the overall not giving a fuck movement and they are very successful people. I would like to genuinely know why the content of the music immediately equals to everyone following the content of the music.
Korri Galbraith Because one group generalizes another for the purpose of humor/demonization. Yes there is rap music that is objectively and morally garbage and quite a lot of it, however that does not mean the genres as a whole fits this mold.
No my son, you missed it. With age, you will start to notice that stereotypes aren't set because of bias, or culture. They are set, because a majority behaves, or functions in the stereotypical fashion. Thus cementing the stereotype into place. Stereotypes my boy, are created by the impression the majority leaves upon society. Not the minority. The majority of black people are poisoned by rap culture. Deny it all you want. Go deny it in the streets of Chicago! Go deny it in the streets of south Sacremento! Go deny it in East St Louis! Go deny it in Detroit! Go deny in DC! Go deny it in Atlanta! Go deny it in LA or SF. Go to any project with your pasty ass and tell them how you want to be their "brother", and you love their music, and feel their struggles. I'm sure they'll just be accepting. The exact opposite of the stereotype...
i want ben shapiro to meet 21 savage, lil uzi and tyler the creator. savage would make him go insane from his lack of english, uzi would force satan on him, and tyler would be tyler
“What do canines have to do with anything” *knows dawg is a common name like “dude” or “bro” but purposely takes it literally to be pretentious and nitpicky* I want to punch this guy in the face oml
Every genre has a bell curve. The average and median will appeal to a large amount of people by having simpler lyrics beats or melodies, and the more marginal sides of the bell curve will be experimental and fresh. Then those experiments get incorporated into the center of the bell curve and become the norm. Modern Radio Country music could be described as bland reptitive and superficial, and the same could be said about radio indie, rap, or rock. Meanwhile their are 10,000 other artists in the genre doing unique or more interesting things. and it isn't even hard to find anymore. All genres have their classics, greats, and bland artists. For every Mozart their were 100,000, uncreative, classical composers.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I hate a lot of the trap stuff with meaningless lyrics, but rap songs like Dance With the Devil are some of the most meaningful things I've ever heard
Kendrick Lamar does NOT blame white people, he acknowledges that white people share part of the blame, but in many songs he talks about the black people's stake in the blame as well. Listen to Institutionalized, Blacker the Berry, or The Art Of Peer Pressure.
I think you can make the argument that popular hip hop is watered down and passionless, but all logic is lost once you say the entire genre is garbage.
... and if the very essence of the genre's "sound" is a colossal impediment ... I can't get past the musical form itself to WANT to listen to whatever message might exist. But then, my musical tastes were formed prior to the existence of ruinous, mindless, sleazy disco.
Warfist I think there are a lot of modern rappers that are equally as good or even better than some classic rappers out there. It just boils down to them not getting recognized as much.
Warfist Biggie, 2pac, and the rap of the previous generation in general are overrated imo. I don’t see what they’ve brought to the table that current rappers haven’t. We have rappers with better flow, faster flows, better album and song structure, far better production and mixes, and more genre carryover which makes for music more suited to certain individuals.
I think rap is fucking brilliant, the music genre has really helped me out with dealing with stuff, I know it sounds corny but I actually believe that rap music used to provide a sort of voice to the poorer populations of places like America and Britain.
Oh absolutely, that was historically the start of gangster rap. Gangster rap became a popular way for people in the inner cities to give a idea of what it was like to actually live there. It's funny that everybody has a problem with them wrapping that way but then they won't help fix the conditions that led them to lead lives that gave them these perspectives. They get horrified about the message and less about what he's trying to tell you which is where I grew up in is a forgotten part of America that has been left to become an absolute horror, and these are the conditions under which I have to survive and thrive. Ice-T in the 90s gave a perfect interview that summed this up.
@@zachbohemian Dude you're not here to make an intelligent argument, I bet money you didn't even watch the video and opted to assume that you are already correct and argue with people in the comment to which they would then see how incredibly close minded you are, which is ironic as judging by your comments, you have the same mindset as Ben Shapiro judging a genre of music you aren't privy to and assuming that its inferior without knowing it AT ALL
Ben Shapiro goes WAY overboard on the shit he says sometimes. He often falls prey to conservative virtue signaling, as opposed to the liberal virtue signaling we're all so used to nowadays. I believe that's part of his rise to prominence, the fact that he's filling in a hole that's been covered up so much by liberal ideals, that even though it's quite flawed on its own, it's been missed for some time now. Unfortunately, it's just an inverse of the of the opposite, and to fall for that is equally thoughtless. For those who recognize that, the juxtaposition of conservative ideals with liberal ones, draws them closer to the center.
Thomas Wictor said it best, "Ben Shapiro will never accomplish anything meaningful because he is too busy being right." I like Ben, I think he's one of the smartest people of our generation, but he gets caught up in small, meaningless battles all the time. He thinks too small. "Owning a libtard" on Twitter isn't going to change the world, embracing the artists that create rap with meaningful lyrics and CREATING culture that omits both hedonism and nihilism is how you do it. Give these poor black inner-city kids a role model that doesn't glorify killing or stealing. If you just call any general form of art crap, fans of that art have all of the right in the world to plug their ears and tune you out.
I would like to think that he's helping establish an understanding of a virtuous conservatism based on truth and political dialogue. He's making waves to a lot of people because he's opening up a dialogue and sharing his ideas on a platform that's the new popular medium, the podcast. Now instead of reading, we can just listen. I don't you think you'd ever deny the power of ideas, even if its reiterating and connecting other people's ideas to share to his audience.
+Snared Arrow Oddly enough, very much like Trump, Ben Shapiro doesn't know how to pick his battles as realize what's most important to respond to while ignoring riffraff.
If he doesn’t know how to express his point properly how does that make him the smartest? Also fuck you for thinking inner city kids just “need a better role model”. Their lives are completely different from yours and have to struggle from the day they’re born. As referenced in the video, these songs are a reflection of their own lives that’s why they listen to it. It’s speaking to their experiences.
plugging ones ears is the standard response to Ben Shapiro. Primarily because he has very little substance to him, all he does is approach situations confrontationally to irritate people into getting angry enough for him to criticise.
Snared Arrow I agree with everything you wrote, but having a click-bait driven media means owning libtards is lucrative. It’s going to bring people in.
As a white, nerdy, staunch conservative who doesn't drink a drop of alcohol and upholds traditional values, I can safely say that I love some rap music. The lyrics and rhymes are often funny and well thought out, they usually have a pretty good tune or beat, and regardless of if you like it or not, it's clear that some rappers are very talented individual. I like what they create, even if I don't agree with what it means. If people take rap too seriously and want to start shooting the police and acting like gangsters because of it, then that's as much a fault of the listener as it is the rapper. I watch action movies but I don't seek to emulate Arnold Schwarzenegger. Well... Maybe a little.
It’s kind of the result of pushing black people out of American culture for so long. I mean if you think about it African Americans were only considered equal citizens 50 years ago and the acceptance of other cultures takes time. So now that black culture is the number one selling it isn’t surprising to see it dismissed by people taking more conservative views
Also have you ever written a rap song? It’s pretty clear why slang, weird inflections etc are so common. They make the flow work and...dundundun, sound better.
Kendrick lamar doesn't only understand personal responsibility he also understands that the environments can have huge negative affects on community's so he raps about both.
I enjoy this channel because it's part of what taught me to think for myself. It taught me though that thinking for myself is just the start of what could become of the human mind, and that to really extend our brain capacities in politics we not only have to think for ourselves, but we also have to have the ability to take a step back and look at what we are actually debating and see if we are doing it in such an intellectual manner such that we actually contribute to the issue and improve our minds in the process. So thank you 1791.
Holy shit i think this is the most controversial video released on this channel. To see so many people upset about this is really telling. You don't have to like rap but you cannot deny that it's an artform, and a way of expression. A ton of rap recently has deconstructed the genre and is building something fresh and new. Check out BROCKHAMPTON. A good modern rap group with old school hip-hop influences. Good stuff. The people complaing about rap probably love movies like Scarface and Goodfellas. Shouldn't movies like that be just as problematic as modern rap? It isnt rap that's ruining kids, it's the braindead parents. Good parents wouldnt let their young kids listen to mature shit. I discovered gangster rap at 8 and im still a fucking introverted nerd. The music is just fun to listen to. I lIkE eVeRyThInG bUt CoUnTrY People seem to forget how violent and crass country music can be. The majority of music is "crap". There's good music in all genre's, but to boldly state that the form you dont like is objectively bad is just plain silly. Try to listen to music without bias people... and look into the lyrics more
I’m convinced Ben Shapiro is actually a robot sent by aliens to study human behavior which would explain how he has no grasp of anything that can’t be quantified exactly as one would learn it in a textbook. As soon as things step outside the boundaries of his programming, he malfunctions and scrambles to find any way to delegitimize it. Luckily, his robot brain is “good” at arguing, regardless of if he’s right or not. So he uses these shitty tactics to distract from the fact that he can’t compute human emotion.
Ben Shapiro's primary mantra is "facts don't care about your feelings". This disregard for emotion in favor of concrete evidence works well in debates, which is his job, but cripples his social proficiency and limits his ability to properly critique more abstract genres of art, like rap. It also reveals that Ben Shapiro is in fact a lizard robot sent by aliens from Mercury.
@@joshn3579 "Facts don't care about your feelings" betrays that he's extremely emotionally immature. Being unaware of your own biases makes you prone to subjective interpretations of data when looking at any given issue. He's an intellectually lazy nerd. The type of guy that was smart for his age but peaked at like 12 years old and never rounded out as a person.
If you don't like rap music, just say it's not for you and keep it moving. This idea that its artistic merit can somehow be objectively qualified as "lesser" than any other style of music is reductionist. There are so many stylistic, aesthetic and technical reasons to dislike a genre (e.g country music), trying to invalidate it as art is not one of them. It's just lazy. And I promise, Ben Shapiro will NEVER be viewed as an authority on "good music" or artistic insight lmao Just because Shapiro's unseasoned palette doesn't appreciate rap music, can not in any way invalidate it's artistic merits and cultural significance. The fact that he even takes the time to write such a tasteless diatribe about it only further cements rap's significance in the broader culture.
"Future is conveying something that is, at its core, isn't essentially unconservative. He's asking the question of where those near to him now were when he was working his way up the ladder, harkening to the fact that his success had to be earned by he alone." I thoroughly enjoyed that. Dude, you should start a second channel and just bombastically break down rap lyrics like this. You could make a killing. Appreciate the video, as always!
This video is good, but the thing I don't like about it is the slight at Kendrick Lamar. You can't really talk about the current generation of rap without mentioning his name. He's widely considered the greatest rap artist of current times, with his two significant albums, Good kid m.A.A.D. city and To Pimp a Butterfly being some of the most complex and important musical works in the last 15 years. While I understand why conservatives might dislike TPoB because most of you think it is suggesting that all the problems modern black people have are due to cops and white people (which is untrue, I'll explain in a sec), you cannot deny that GKMD is an album that warns black youth about the horrors of gang culture and delivers a message that it is not worth getting involved into. As for TPoB, the album is about the struggle that black people in the intercities have when it comes to the cops. Often in these areas, jobs are limited due to extremely prevalent gang activity (companies don't want to set up in those areas in fear of robbery), and in order to survive, young men turn to gangs and drug selling to make feed their families. The police actively hunts for dealers and gang members which often results in young men getting shot or arrested. Yes they were engaging in illegal activity, but people in those areas don't have much of a choice. TPoB is an album all about bringing this struggle to light. Police in these areas are also very prone to shoot because they are used to gang violence and presume every criminal is out for blood.
Dan Man Most people. Legendary hip hop group A Tribe Called Quest mentioned kendrick on their list of best current day rappers on the song dis generation. Drake recognizes him as “top two”. Killer mike named him as one of his fave rappers. List goes on.
It's funny because conservatives want to claim that popular rap glorifies violence and murder when hip hop's 3 biggest rappers, Kendrick, Jcole, and Drake do exactly the opposite.
Also, underground rap, which is a lot more popular than people realize, is far less steeped in hedonism, drugs, guns, and such. Almost all of the biggest underground names are conscious MCs.
I like Ben, but I resonate with almost nothing he says about Pop Culture. Movies, music, he doesn't seem to know how to consume entertainment. "Applying a political lens to EVERYTHING is harmful" that was a great point.
Ben is totally wrong about hip hop. I would argue that true, underground hip hop has the highest level of intellectually merited writing of any genre. Many underground lyricists are highly educated and have graduate degrees. (I've heard guys rap about things as complex as string theory and quantum physics) Ben is singling out one sub-genre of rap (trap music), and subsequently making assumptions about the entire genre. There are thousands, if not millions, of high level lyricists who produce lyrically complex and profound writing. Listen to rappers like illogic, Aesop Rock, Busdriver, Milo, Hemlock Ernst, Eyedea, Sadistick, etc. Just like other types of music there are good and bad sub-genres of hip hop, but to label the entire genre as just an "idiot language by a dumbfuck" is entirely inaccurate and disrespectful to the thousands of underground lyricists creating great pieces of work. This is intellectually dishonest, and I was surprised to see Ben resort to this fallacy. Most hip hop purists don't support this sort of low level writing that is prevalent in the mainstream. There is actually a huge divide between the hip hop community in general right now. We have one side that advocates for high level writing and complex rhyme schemes/subject matter, and another that advocates for low level party music. Ironically, the main consumers of this type of "trap/mumble rap music" are young white males. It is in part because record label executives push this type of "party music", and refuse to sign or promote any rap that has intellectual merit. Another major factor is that most individuals don't pay attention to the lyrics and are only enjoying the music from a sonic standpoint. In short, one half of the genre cares about lyrics and substance, while the other half cares about "being lit" and partying.
@@myjciskate4 Thank you! I actually wrote a research paper on this very topic. Setting aside the often times extremely complex subjects of songs themselves; the triple entendres and multi-syllabic rhyme schemes; and taking something more simple that most people would understand, vocabulary, some underground rappers blow every author in history out of the water. Here's a great research project comparing some hip hop artists vocabularies that I wish I could force Shapiro's dumb ass to read. poly-graph.co/vocabulary.html
@@alanandrianov236 i guess hes intelligent in the way that he inderstood that he can gain big attention, when arguing with confused and unprepared college students. But if he were to talk to an expert or someone that has prepared himself as much as he has he would completely fail at arguing
Tendo It's not even just rap, lots of music has "grammatical errors" because it's fucking music lmfao. I like Ben when he isn't talking about music lmfao.
"imma pop dat pussy like a zit" -Lil Wayne. From his beautiful ode to lovemaking, "Pop Dat" Rap is just a reflection of our collapsing civilization. Its not that people like it, its that they are enthralled by it. 7/10 children of a certain demographic are raised with no dad. These rap artists become their idols. And the songs are, for the most part, preaching hate, violence, misogyny, racism etc..
Poly-Rhythmic Octopoid nah man lil Wayne is not a good example to choose, I do agree that mainstream modern rap since 2005 has gone downhill (drugs, girls, money ... now xannax) But NWA, Tribe called Quest, mobb deep (who just rapped about life on the streets rather than glorifying it) are artists who pioneered the genre But the everything which goes mainstream seems to get diluted and twisted into some money focused shit. Look at mainstream edm (big room house) FUCKING TRASH Look at mainstream pop FUCKING TRASH Rap is the same
Tendo also tons of grammatically incoherent lyrics in pop, rock, metal, r&b, soul, blues or any genre. Sounds like he's never heard a Led Zeppelin or Elvis song.
Ironically Rap is probably the best case for conservative views and capitalism. A lot of rapper's upbringings and backgrounds are a direct result of failed Democrat states and minority enclosures, a system they set up for minorities and one they fail at with their coddling and soft touch ways. And capitalism, well that's apparent in any rap music video. Having things is nice and a show of achievement and status.
Most rap is some anti whitty rant pushing Keynesian economics with no actual deep thought beyond pussy using lyrics and rhymes so simplistic a edgy 10 year old could've written them.
People gripe about lyrics preaching its cool to kill for idiotic shit. I was arrested for murder in 1989. At the time, I was listening to the Bad Brains. Their lyrics are 100% life positive, so no issue there. Best to use logic to examine the facts of art, memes, culture, etc. No answers will come from Ben Shapiro vomiting ideological opinions based on his personal emotional goo.
Are conservatives really STILL complaining about Rap in 2019? This argument has been superficial and tired since Nancy Reagan was saying it, I can't believe conservative "intellectuals" are still talking about this horseshit.
Sharp insight. Entertainment is where conservatives lose the masses. A listener needs to know when the host is out of his depth. I quit all political media years ago. Think for yourself, live and let live.
We Lose the masses at entertainment because the masses have shit taste. Rap is highly marketed crap and sheeple will eat whatever the media pretends is good
It's an 'artform' for the lowest common denominator. If Bhad Bhabie and Tekashi 69 can claw the way to the top of your genre, your genre is probably shit.
Fake Name Live and let live to a point I say. If you let your culture go to shit, never standing up and saying enough.. you've failed your society and as you've failed a man. Things becoming accepted because it's been constantly pushed, seen, heard, said, like the so many millennials being okay with the idea if communism. Pedophilia is getting pushed by some to be acceptable. Incest the the lgbtqiapk is I. That's acceptable? Apart from the disgusting factor, if a kid is born from that, he'll prob be fucked up, and he'll have to grow up living with the repulsing fact. I don't tuck my tail when someone asks me what I think of this bullshit in a public place. They can get as offended as they want, my very culture is crumbling around me.
You brought up a faceless picture of drake while talking about TI. Reported. Also sorry man but you’re extremely wrong about Kendrick Lamar as having “displaced” the blame for black conditions... if you listen to his most recent album, or the song i from his previous album, he talks about he believes that his race have become trapped in self-fulfilling cycle of SELF-hatred and SELF destruction, which he believes ultimately stems from the fact that black people been abandoned by God, because they have abandoned God. His most recent is called DAMN. For this explicit reason... you might, like Geraldo, listen to a lyric like “and we hate po-po, wanna kill us dead in the street fo sho” but if you listen to the beginning of the song he also says “I’m fucked up homie you fucked up but if god got us then we gonna be alright.” As a minority, as someone who has a lot of friends from a lot of neighborhoods, the first lyric is less commentary anyway and more as a reflection of black perspective. After all, he doesn’t say “I hate popo” he says “we” hate popo, which is true going back way before he was even born (see: Rodney King, Selma, enforcement of segregation and Jim Crow, COINTELPRO). “We hate police and they want to kill us, but we will persevere if our faith is strong (which it largely, he says, is not). He sees white oppression and legal oppression simply as another obstacle to be weathered on the path to success, not unconquerable forces to which he defers responsibility for black suffering.
Kevin Beteta dude, there are more black christians than any group lol. And the thing is, Americans used the bible to justify the enslavement of africans
Nemo Dollaz buddy I’m just giving you Kendrick’s take not my own. Take it up with him EDIT: as Christian as the black community I think he’s speaking more to the glorification of hedonism and materialism throughout black culture, but again, it’s his take not mine
Sometimes rap is just for sounding good and mumbling something catchy. Those rappers just are having fun in the studio making music. They could really care less if theirs grammatical errors.
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Ben Shapiro was definitely that dude that corrected the teacher on small shit that didn't really matter
Call him Captain Redundant, I do.
Nah. He was that dude that asked the teacher about every math problem you got correct while correcting your work just because you didn't solve it the way the teacher showed. He's not even smart enough to know the alternative routes that the teacher didn't know/cover. He's the sort of foolish you'd expect from a self-proclaimed, self-congratulatory Federalist. Traditional Conservatives are not Conservative. Trad Cons want to make the United States a monarchy some of them were even willing to rejoin the British Empire. Their name Federalist is also anathema to Modern Conservatism(because of state's rights vs the federal state). We're allied but I'm annoyed by them more than the Left is. They're like if Leftists had babies that could actually think somewhat.
evan serrano you thicc wow man you really got him there. bet he’s really hurt right now
Yeah this gotta be top comment😂😂😂😂
@@analove8415 uuuuhhhh wtf, pretty sure no conservatives want to start a monarchy. It's actually the opposite. Traditional conservatism is about small government and putting rights in the hands of state wide government and spreading out the power.
"why are these guitars so loud!??"
-Ben Shapiro listening to Heavy Metal for the first time
"Why am I watching a purple-hued Simpsons clip set to Vangelis?"
- Ben Shapiro, twenty years late to the *M E M E*
"why are squinty-eyed dancers singing at the same time"
- Shapiro watching KPOP for the first time
SPACECOWBOY noice
SPACECOWBOY
>comparing heavy metal to rap.
HenacT That's not all metal you dunce.
Ben shapiro is the type of kid at school who talks about how dumb everyone is for not listening to classical music
Sicarius never implied it wasn't (unless you were just somewhat randomly mentioning that).
Edit: Okay so, "Scarius" is the OP (he changed his name), and the person I was in dialogue with, has deleted his comments. So, just to be clear. I'm in no way against the OP. Just the person who deleted his comments, and who the rest of the thread is also against, because he was dumb as heck).
He literally never implies that classical music is not great...
He could love classical music, and still type the same comment, with no issues.
Simmer down.. jees.
The only one who is triggered seems to be you, for some reason...
What about my last comment, could possibly have come across as being "triggered" lol.
So me saying essentially that he never said classical music wasn't great... is somehow me being triggered... wouldn't it then make more sense if I was to shit on classical music? except I didn't.. because I don't have a single thing against classical music... your replies are very strange.. but you have interested me, so I'll respond anyway.
So now you're retracting your first comment where you said: "So you never read his comment,Gotcha."
And are now going more with what was in my brackets before your comment: "Unless you were just somewhat randomly mentioning that"
Interesting.
I never said you had to justify an opinion lol.
A "no fucking shit moment", except your first reply to me sure doesn't reflect that understanding: "So you never read his comment,Gotcha."
Triggered snowflakes? what the devil lol. You're really bringin' out the vocab today. Hittin' all the marks. Seems a bit ironic to me though.
OH, and the Twitter-Trump "SAD" at the end lol. Nice touch, I will admit.
I predict your next reply to be really messy and triggered.. hitting all the popular vocabulary words..
I don't think it's going to follow on from this comment all that neatly.. hopefully you're on the same page though so as it's not just resorted down to a bunch of childish insults, because that would be lame.
Sorry for the longish comment, I struggle to keep it too short.
(EDIT: Oh, notifications entirely stopped for me after this comment.. dang).
I am unaware how an argument started here
@@warfist-mv8mh I love how you don't know what to say in don't understand what that guy was saying to you so you just automatically got defensive and called him triggered simply because he was trying to clear things up and make sure there wasn't a misunderstanding what a joke you probably will call me triggered as well because that's all you people in the internet do when you can't come up with anything to say. also notice he said somewhat random he didn't say you were completely random
Does Ben Shapiro listen to an encyclopedia audiobook for music
FloorKarpeting he listens to a mf caveman writing lol
@@David-wr8mm He only listens to the white cavemen writing
Who doesn’t?...
Neil Tyson does that
Lmaooooo
Ben thinks missionary sex is being adventurous
Ben Shapiro thinks sour cream is spicy.
@@suk4honesty Ben thinks his dick is big
Ben thinks listening to X is basically becoming a radical terrorist
I laughed harder than I should have at this lmao
You people think rap sounds good.
"Rap isn't music, and if you think it is, you're stupid"
Wow, what a great argument!
Djentleman, it’s music, just not good music. You are only stupid if you take it literal and actually bang and shoot people.
"just not good music" according to you, maybe
@@awesomet8388 Aesop Rock, MF DOOM, Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, Pusha T. These artists have a message and point in most of their songs. Rapping about selling drugs isn't promoting drugs. Not all rap music is bad. Eminem, Joyner Lucas and Ghostface have songs/verses litterally about HIV. Aesop Rock's Garbage is about him being afraid of his ego taking over his rap career and ending up placing him in failure. "Wing of wax? Or wing of Gold leaves?
Choose one, float or plumet 20,000 cold leagues."
This is a great example of well meaning lyrics. Metalhead, Hip-Hop head, or Classical Music Enthusiast, you will realize that these lyrics are well constructed. Rap specifically isn't badly written all the time.
Slayer 666 Sorry about anything that might be odd in my previous comment. I’m twelve and suck at arguing and writing.
I'm sorry, but could you please elaborate and help me understand what exactly "good" music is?
"And not sir Francis Drake" Oh, thanks Ben, I was wondering which Drake was in a rap song.
Natsuki honestly I think most people from this generation don’t know who Francis Drake is but they definitely know who Drake is
@@foop8964 almost everybody knows who francis drake is, when you're in school and the teacher says "this is the first pirate" people tend to perk up
BrandonHouseART the fuck is school?
The uncharted series also probably informed a lot of people as to who he is
Bucket Ps4 is gay
Why does Ben Shapiro act like he's never heard slang before?
Because he hasn't lol
That's what happens when your only friends are your grandparents
Because all he has is facts
He talks too fast.
Because he's acting stupid since he thinks playing ignorant serves his purpose here
An electric guitar? That’s just NOISE! That’s not REAL music.
- If Ben was born in 1935
Exactly.
Born in 1935?!Shit bro people born in the 2000s are complaining about music haha.Also people complain about things in general especially things they don't understand.
@Gary McMichael Dude I think he was just using what most people think of when they think of rock...the GUITAR.Also he said IF Ben was born in 1935.One more thing it's a JOKE.Jesus Christ your calling him ignorant and yet your going off on a TH-cam comment bro.
Gary McMichael the point seems to have soared miles over your head
Gary McMichael it really wasn’t. Which should say something about you...
In my opinion if you denounce any musical genre and say it isn’t music you’re not a music expert
how so?
Heywood Jablome depends on who you listen to 🤷🏽♂️ mainstream is shit
Heywood Jablome I would recommend earl sweatshirt solace it’s short only ten minutes long but it’s definitely worth a listen and a good departure from all other mainstream rappers
Wtf _ sound like the person who would say life in the 90's was better
@@rayrxyy Not all mainstream. Trap and drill is shit.
Shapiro is currently making an album called, "My Wife's a Doctor."
I wonder what its about.
Haha😂
The Poe Podcast You have to say folks after every lyric.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 or "gang"
Ben Shapiro is the type to put a period at the end of each text message
oh yeah yeah damn.
@Charming Billy Most people will interpret sentences ended with periods to be a harsher, more serious tone (within the context of text messages). I don't want to be rude, but hardheadedly adhering to grammar that is proper in writing essays, when communicating in a very different medium seems culturally tone deaf to me. (Not saying you should start typing like "heyyy" and "rawr", just to be conscious of how your messages are interpreted by the other party). As a second sidenode, if you only text other (older?) people that share your sensibilities, then you can ignore what I said all together.
@Charming Billy It wasn't a diss. Keeping up high standards is a good thing. My point was mostly that you should be aware that you might be interpreted wrong when the high standard deviates too much from the norm
@@dorusie5 you ruined it.
Skeet I have a friend that gets mad at me that I don’t text grammatically correct
Ben Shapiro isn't the expert on music. In fact, I quiver to think what's in his record collection.
Saddle Tramp
Better crap than rap im sure.
Well he’s been playing the violin since he was a child. Maybe not an expert, but he’s not without plenty musical skill.
His dad is a virtuoso jazz pianist, and Ben has been playing violin since he was a toddler. He is definitely well-versed in music.
yeah CLASSICAL MUSIC...music has evolved a lot since then, and i really don't think Shapiro is an authority on the subject at all.
Saddle Tramp probably Mozart & all sorts of classical music.
Ben Shapiro the type of guy that thinks water is spicy
@@zachbohemian You're the type of guy who is subscribed to Annoying Orange.
Water isn't spicy but fish is to me. Yes I'm the colour of milk.
This salt is just TOO spicy
Christian Taylor it’s a joke
@@ZER-bt8fk my comment is a joke too.
r/woooosh
ben shapiro is the human version of r/iamverysmart
ikr lol found the same comment on another vid
😳
So true
r/ihavereddit
Donovan Hill Ben, is that you in disguise ?
Anyone who uses cardi b as an example of rap doesn't know rap
Luke Thomas 🙌
Especially looking into hidden meanings behind her music
Rap is too big and diverse for us to use 1 person to represent it as a whole
@@BitchChill musta never heard of the legend K-RINO. Look him up he is hip hop!!
yep
Ben Shapiro the type a guy to blame Marilyn Manson for Columbine
Francis Hoang anything to deter from gun control for him
yeah
You already know he would If manson was black
Not even close, he understands that evil strikes through the heart of everyman. If you aim to criticize a person at least learn about them first.
Criticizing someone's grammar to try to prove you are right; is the weakest and most pathetic argument I've ever heard.
RhinoFeverTV “Is the weakest and most pathetic argument I’ve ever heard.” Isn’t even a clause so it’s not proper to connect it to the subject “Criticizing someone’s grammar to try to prove you are right.” via a semicolon. Therefore Bush did 9/11. QED
*your
Gabrielle Shull Hey look a smartass!
Rafael Alvarez hey look an ad hominem because you don't know how to argue!
Um aktchaly dat semi-colen is unesesary so uhhh delet ur cament an ur akownt
“His name was Future as opposed to his brothers past and present”
-Ben Shapiro, comedic and political genius
That was golden
can't do simple interpretations on a rap song and takes everything literally
I'm sure he never had an issue with Blondie or Slash...
I hope this is sarcasm
I knew a bunch of kids growing up named Time, Spring, Present, and some other names dealing with time or whatever. But Time was a major prick, I hated that guy. I wonder what they are up to.
this just proves MBDTF should have been a 10
KILL THE MELON!!
And Damn a 7
@Thadson Yeah DAMN. didn't age very well
@Thadson I still like it
Damn was amazing and I love TPAb best
So Ben Shapiro is in his mid thirties looks like he’s 12 and acts like he’s 60.
HOLY SHIT? I legitimately thought he was 25 tops...
Seventy Eight lmao ,nobody likes Ben I have seen him eat lunch alone
Not an argument.
Dewan M Durnto 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He look 30 quit joking
>"Rap is Crap"
tbh I feel like Ben Shapiro thinks that almost every rap song is lil pump, gangsta shit and liberal virtue signaling lol.
Well, I mean, that's most of it. The rap that everyone says is deep usually is liberal virtue signaling.
ppl that try to pretend rap is music are hipsters
You know what song slaps the season by nas that shit is crazy
Isn’t that the majority of it?
95% of rap is degenerate dogshit tho.
I love how conservatives like to call liberals elitist meanwhile this nerd's critiquing the grammar of rap music.
I am a conservative who loves rap music.
I don't believe you
Tom Lovett ok
Yeoff The Legend That’s cool but it’s not the point lol. Saying Ben is corny as fuck and a total hypocrite.
Hahahaha... that’s what I thought! Grammar in rap... dude, go back to the cafeteria. The teachers are trying to chill out here.
"Why is there a dog in the song?" oh lord ben stay tf outta hip hop
How to give Ben Shapiro an aneurism: “Yo, that Jesus dog? Yeah he’s the shit”
@@pepealasquid6005 Why are you degrading the son of God as a piece of canine excrement?
He must be fun at parties
I would pay money to see Ben Shapiro analyze Eric Andre’s comedy...
vickie g He would have a heart attack
To be popular you have to give the people at the party what they want which means they control you which makes you weak.
@@barbatvs8959 You don't hang out with other people often huh
@@yaintracingshit512 And your lie you call life, I meant to type.
Cardi B really out here in the desert promoting Saudi Arabian gender equality🔥🔥🔥
💀💀 Deadass bruh
@Liam Foster I DONT DANCE NOW I MAKE MONEY MOVES. so deep
Pince Diop it clearly means cardi is encouraging women in Saudi Arabia to stop letting men rule them and become independent and finally,make them money moves
Lol plus shes not even in ksa, shes in dubai
@@crabosity i think she is just showing the flexing lifestyle in saudi arabia
Ben Shapiro is the type of guy you wouldn't invite to party, mostly because he'd talk about how large his IQ is.
Blue Soul Chris Ben Shapiro is the type of guy to read the labels on foods, and say, I know this word, I know that word.
He has a 3000 iq
I have a video proving that IQ is ironically retarded. Imbecile Quest is for people to feel superiour to others just because they know more trivia and are used to more of certain arbitrary problems that are context-limited meaning not universal ergo not necessary for everyone to know making those who don't know NOT stupid for not knowing, but IQ lovers don't care about context because they're dumb.
And racist.
@@barbatvs8959 r/iamverysmart
Playboi Carti: “100 round drum killin everybody.” Playboi Carti has never killed anyone and listening to his music doesn’t make me feel the need to own guns or kill anybody. It’s just exaggerated lyrics that are fun and meant to make you feel emotion just as all music should.
Bullshiy
@Lain I'm ok. However certain lyrics do make you feel certain ways.
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Jack Markson its his gangsta persona
@@geminikid609 No it doesn't lol. Everyone I know listens to rap music, but doesn't go out to sell drugs or shoot people or try to own trap houses.
Ben could breath in to the mic and his stans would claimed he ''DESTROYED'', that's how low they have set the bar.
A Johnson u look beautiful today
A Johnson lmaoooo true
@@LichKingHappyPage you are desperate
A Johnson Ben Shapiro absolutely DESTROYSSSSSS The rap genre
Anthony Mars aye radical$uicide
Ben Shapiro: "lol libtards"
Also Ben Shapiro: "hOw tO ComPReHenD RaP? I Can'T UnDeRStaNd tHIs"
Well he is a great debator. Just because you suck at understanding music doesnt make the ideals you have many times explained with facts, wrong.
@wut something I'm saying this is kind of a stupid comment.
Thot Destroyatron 2000 great argument pal, I see you're also a master (de) bater too
@@ThotDestroyatron He's not a great debater so much as he is a master of using platitudes and flawed disproven studies to talk over his "opponents". He doesn't care about actual discourse.
@@asparagusnoodle I never said anything about me being a good debator. I think i am a quite bad debator. I just think it is unfair to assume someones views and points are invalid based on their understanding of a music genre. Excuse me if i confused you with my bad english skills. If you call me out on my argument you might as well provide a counter argument.
Absolutely fantastic video.
nabber my guy, you have good video taste.
Woah surprised to see you here im definitely subbing to iNabber now
Woah dude, what if the wall street journal catches you here!?
Jk, seeing you here gives me so much hope as an ex Muslim woman in the UK that lands centre right honestly 😂
How did I end up at the same video a favourite TH-camr of mine was also watching. It’s a small world.
Your videos are getting better and better, dude. Keep up the attitude!
I can imagine them saying people like tyler the creator and frank ocean are pushing gay values on the youths
Well Frank Ocean is literally gay. I don't know about Tyler The Creator is he gay too?
@@kaylastopblockingmycomment8499 Ye they both are
@@bryanchu5379 ...
Canadian Guy what would gay values even be
They are.... 🤔
Ben Shapiro being completely out of touch about something? Using fallacies and strawman arguments to push his points? Who would've thought
I'm shocked I tell you! SHOCKED!!!
Petulant Child
*Pretends* *to* *be* *shocked*
conservative: "rap is corrupting the youth"
Kanye West : "Poopy-di-scoop. Scoop-de-di- whoop. Whoopty scoopty poop"
eyehatemushroom kanye likes ben
how is a dumb line someone said in a song corrupting anything
One is insightful and inspiring and the other is just a generalizing statement without any proof.
A line that came after he started supporting Trump lol.
@@Lazerproof12 shut up
HEY GUYS I HEARD THIS ONE BAD (insert any music genre) SONG, SO THE WHOLE GENRE AND EVERY ARTIST IS LIKE THIS AND THINKS THIS WAY
Micah Yang
Try Multiple more than country
Metalcore?
Ben is totally wrong about hip hop. I would argue that true, underground hip hop has the highest level of intellectually merited writing of any genre. Many underground lyricists are highly educated and have graduate degrees. (I've heard guys rap about things as complex as string theory and quantum physics) Ben is singling out one sub-genre of rap (trap music), and subsequently making assumptions about the entire genre. There are thousands, if not millions, of high level lyricists who produce lyrically complex and profound writing. Listen to rappers like illogic, Aesop Rock, Busdriver, Milo, Hemlock Ernst, Eyedea, Sadistick, etc. Just like other types of music there are good and bad sub-genres of hip hop, but to label the entire genre as just an "idiot language by a dumbfuck" is entirely inaccurate and disrespectful to the thousands of underground lyricists creating great pieces of work. This is intellectually dishonest, and I was surprised to see Ben resort to this fallacy.
Most hip hop purists don't support this sort of low level writing. There is actually a huge divide between the hip hop community in general right now. We have one side that advocates for high level writing and complex rhyme schemes/subject matter, and another that advocates for low level party music. Ironically, the main consumers of this type of "trap/mumble rap music" are young white males. It is in part because record label executives push this type of "party music", and refuse to sign or promote any rap that has intellectual merit. Another major factor is that most individuals don't pay attention to the lyrics and are only enjoying the music from a sonic standpoint. In short, one half of the genre cares about lyrics and substance, while the other half cares about "being lit" and partying.
Of course Rap is a large genre of various styles, but it's undeniable that Rap music hosts both complete garbage and legitimate music. It's unfortunate some of these "artists" become popular and subsequently represent the genre to those who haven't discovered it.
Han Solo the same can be said about every genre, all music is subjective
Instead of Ben making every rap song political (like Bodak Yellow by Cardi B) and ripping them apart for political messages that aren't there, he should look into actual political rap songs and artists like Kendrick Lamar and judge them on their actual political messages.
Its too difficult for him
It is too hard for him, because, for example, his shitty opinion is destroyed by Kendrick by only two words "Be humble".
He’d disagree anyways, he’s racist. He’d immediately go into it with the wrong mentality
@@cameronschoffro1569 I don"t think Ben Shapiro is racist. I think he is against black culture.
Revelation fair enough
Can Shapiro actually talk without critizising those with different political views?
Nope.
Too caught up in that bullshit
He just can't help owning those libs.
Politics is so stupid
@@TeknoSquirrel Too bad he only debates the tards, not the liberals smarter than him.
Listening to Ben Shapiro talk about rap is like listening to your grandpa talk about how people talk today.
"Lit? What is 'lit'? Like a candle? Why are people lighting candles? LOL? That's not even a word! They're making up words now? That's just stupid."
reminder that bommber is a mindset
What the heck is a "bae"
Bacon And Eggs ur sumthin??
This comment is wayyy tooo under appreciated
I completely agree with you, but I must say that he actually un-ironically uses lit as a word now. When he was asked about whether or not he would like to be asked by Trump to become a Supreme Court judge, he responded, "If he's offering I'll take it! The confirmation hearings would be lit!"
To be fair, a lot of modern lingo is pretty cringe inducing and will be just as dated as saying “golly jee willikers” or “groovy” is in a few years. I tend to stick to more universal phrases that are less likely to go out of style. Like, “cool” or “neat”
I didn't know Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world with deserts.
Kendrick is actually one of the more introspective rappers currently performing, especially if you only count mainstream ones. While it is true he has described problems the black community has with the police and white people he very often looks at internal problems in the black community and how they're perpetuating a system that only serves to keep themselves under.
So he falsely blames whites and the police
@@MultiTaz333 No read the comment again slowly if need be. He factually details the divide between white cops and the black neighborhoods they police. A divide that is reinforced by each sides cause and effect of their fears and poor actions. While also criticizing black men's views on black women, gang lifestyle and false bravado. He doesn't just blame white people for the sake of doing so.
@@MultiTaz333 D I D N T R E A D
@@MultiTaz333 You wanna be a victim so bad
@@Dwyanerose no that's black people
Saying rap is corrupting the youth is like saying video games start school shootings
Every decade has a scapegoat. Alleged scapegoats of the 20th and 21st century for moral decadence:
1900 Film
1920 Prohibition (Alcohol), Phonographs
1930 Jazz, Movies
1940 Radio
1950 Dancing
1960 Psychedelic Drugs, Sex
1970 Rock n Roll, Movies (again)
1980 MTV, DnD, Heavy Metal, Rap
1990 Computer Games
2000 Internet
2010 Guns
2018 Video Games (again)
Asai Both of those do
You were right until guns, that is not a scapegoats
Blaming an inanimate object instead of the **person pulling the trigger** is insanity.
You DO realize that **MORE people die per year by OTHER causes** such as:
* heart disease (710,000),
* tobacco (480,000),
* medical errors (200,000+),
* alcohol (estimated 88,000)
* drug over-dose (40,000+)
* flu (36,000), or
* traffic fatalities(34,000)
then by guns (30,000), right?
Now let's **do the math** on those 30,000 gun deaths:
* 65% are suicide,
* 15% are by law enforcement,
* 3% are accidental discharge deaths,
* leaving the remaining 17%, or 5,100 homicides, of your so called "mass murderers"
Of those 5,100 homicides:
* 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
* 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
* 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
* 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C.
Meaning 25% of gun crime happens in 4 cities. That means for the _rest_ of the country a **whopping total (sarcasm)** of 3,825 homicides, or around 75 homicides per state.
Lastly, try actually _reading_ the Bill of Rights sometime. Just because you live in a wussy country that doesn't have a clue about a person's right to self-defense or _being necessary to the security of a free state_ you can still learn something about the four boxes of liberty:
* soap
* ballot
* jury, and
* ammo
But continue to whine about how **0.0015% of the population** dying to "mass murders" is a problem and ignore the BIGGER problems such as heart disease, tobacco, alcohol, and traffic.
In other words: **You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.**
(Thanks to Atlantean for the collecting the initial stats)
Ben Shapiro is wrong about.. lots of things.
God true but he is right about alot as well. He takes things to far. From immigration control to immigration band
ALT ACCOUNT he has no chill. He has to take shit to the extremes.
Shapiro fans are ignorant sheep. He may "sound" smart, but what comes out of his mouth is usually bullshit. He straw-mans among tons of other dishonest things and is another Pundit puppet for the Republicans. Just because someone is articulate and talks fast doesn't mean what they are saying is true.
AndJusticeforAll567 why is that lad
God Amen
Ben Shapiro often sounds like my little brother when he tries to be clever by over-analysing things and adding perceived meanings that they don't have.
lmao what the fuck my brother is the same. He starts out by trying to make a valid point against something, then I make the counter argument and he just says "lmao what's the point we're all gonna die anyway" like yeah bro nice one Me - 0 You - 1
SimonInsanity fucking nerd
PROD BY MASQQ he claimed always that he was agaist postmodernism, and yet he applied it himself on things he didnt like... *hmmmmmm*
@@ace8656 Why are you calling me a nerd, you dweeb lmao
@@SimonInsanity silence, nerdo.
this is the first video I've seen where ben shapiro gets destroyed.
you must have not been looking hard......
Honestly f this is your first video then I’m assuming the only political videos you’ve ever seen on TH-cam are probably the “Ben Shapiro DESTORYS liberals with FACTS and LOGIC” clickbait titles.
Watch the BBC interview
The memes about ben lead me to believe ben Shapiro good person
He destroys himself in his own videos.
I want to see lil pump debate Ben Shapiro
Fuck Lil Pump I hate the nigga
If it’s an argument on rap music I honestly think Lil Pump would win
It'd be worth it just bc instead of getting a debate he'd be bullied like he deserves :D
Pssh! That Harvard kid would destroy Ben!
Ben Shapiro walks out of debate room. He utters one single word. *ESKIEEEEEETTTTT*
I’d love Ben to have a conversation with Andre 3000 or MF Doom or Kendrick Lamar. Those three are more artistic, poetic, and eloquent than Ben could ever be
Woodchuck799 I don’t know those rappers but I really don’t like modern rap
Woodchuck799 And Eminem. His Eminem Show shit is one of the most poetic albums of the 21st century.
J cole aswell.
Ragnarockm9 especially J cole he would probably see his side and tell his side.
@@yuan1630 Not too sure about Em. I like him but reckon he's a bit too loudmouthed
Rap, like any genre of entertainment can be objectively bad, politically charged, or tied to criminality. However to say that all rap fits these three boxes is a hasty generalization fallacy.
Yeah, But back in the day there was the rock and roll movement, Which was a massive movement, Most of its music focused on drug use, Sex, Violence, and an overall change from societal norms. Many adults in the modern day grew up on rock and roll and the overall not giving a fuck movement and they are very successful people. I would like to genuinely know why the content of the music immediately equals to everyone following the content of the music.
mmhmm Tell me again why stereotypes exist?
Korri Galbraith
Because one group generalizes another for the purpose of humor/demonization. Yes there is rap music that is objectively and morally garbage and quite a lot of it, however that does not mean the genres as a whole fits this mold.
A Random Crusader - The word bad is inherently subjective. Therefore it can not be objectively bad, that is just ridiculous.
No my son, you missed it. With age, you will start to notice that stereotypes aren't set because of bias, or culture. They are set, because a majority behaves, or functions in the stereotypical fashion. Thus cementing the stereotype into place. Stereotypes my boy, are created by the impression the majority leaves upon society. Not the minority. The majority of black people are poisoned by rap culture. Deny it all you want. Go deny it in the streets of Chicago! Go deny it in the streets of south Sacremento! Go deny it in East St Louis! Go deny it in Detroit! Go deny in DC! Go deny it in Atlanta! Go deny it in LA or SF. Go to any project with your pasty ass and tell them how you want to be their "brother", and you love their music, and feel their struggles. I'm sure they'll just be accepting. The exact opposite of the stereotype...
i want ben shapiro to meet 21 savage, lil uzi and tyler the creator. savage would make him go insane from his lack of english, uzi would force satan on him, and tyler would be tyler
"And Tyler would be Tyler" 💀
"The market determines what is best unless I don't like it"
Dalym “I’m pretty libertarian but I think porn should be banned.”
Ben Shapiro in a nutshell. well said.
HoW Do CaNiNeS HaVe AnYThInG To Do WiTh ThIS? Is ThIs SoNg AbOuT *GoD?*
Pretty sure those were jokes. He was smiling as he said it.
Oh no the Shapiro lovers who will do whatever it takes to defend their conservative god who sticks it to the libtards and snowflakes...
@@MagicjavaGames That isn't an argument.
not everything is an argument. grow up.
If they're jokes then they really fall flat
“What do canines have to do with anything” *knows dawg is a common name like “dude” or “bro” but purposely takes it literally to be pretentious and nitpicky* I want to punch this guy in the face oml
He's such a worshipped little shit
It just makes him look dumb.
@@HazyTown01 hell id consider myself more of a conservative and I really don't like him
I want to punch you in the face you 13 year old rap fanboy.
it's called sarcasm dumbass
Ben listens to mayonnaise.
no patrick mayonnaise is not an instrument
Henok Teshome but clearly its a genre
And Horseradish
Even mayonnaise is too soulful for Ben
Because it's white
Every genre has a bell curve. The average and median will appeal to a large amount of people by having simpler lyrics beats or melodies, and the more marginal sides of the bell curve will be experimental and fresh. Then those experiments get incorporated into the center of the bell curve and become the norm. Modern Radio Country music could be described as bland reptitive and superficial, and the same could be said about radio indie, rap, or rock. Meanwhile their are 10,000 other artists in the genre doing unique or more interesting things. and it isn't even hard to find anymore. All genres have their classics, greats, and bland artists. For every Mozart their were 100,000, uncreative, classical composers.
Good words, Mr. Rothbard. But Hoppe is a better philosopher that you was.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I hate a lot of the trap stuff with meaningless lyrics, but rap songs like Dance With the Devil are some of the most meaningful things I've ever heard
Kendrick Lamar does NOT blame white people, he acknowledges that white people share part of the blame, but in many songs he talks about the black people's stake in the blame as well. Listen to Institutionalized, Blacker the Berry, or The Art Of Peer Pressure.
if i could sit through 1 minute of any rap song without feeling like a complete dork, i would. but it all sounds like shit to me.
@@assbread5950 What types of music do you like?
@@AZWADER Black sabbath, Led zeppelin and other classic/hard rock.
@@assbread5950 "u" by Kendrick Lamar is kind of a mixture of metal, jazz, and rap. It's a song talking to himself about how much he hates himself.
Ass Bread give to pimp a butterfly a listen
Ben Shapiro trying to speak on the culture is a joke
Ben Shapiro IS a joke
This is the most circle jerk comment section I think I’ve ever seen lol
Megan Carrington tryna kick out some top?
Megan Carrington bitch u basic anyway 🤷♂️
@@meganaxelia why you mad
I um... It is weird to hear someone complain so much about a genre of music that they don't even listen to.
I think you can make the argument that popular hip hop is watered down and passionless, but all logic is lost once you say the entire genre is garbage.
Logic and Shapiro don't go well together, Ben just talks fast and "sounds" smart and that's enough for his circle-jerk followers
... and if the very essence of the genre's "sound" is a colossal impediment ... I can't get past the musical form itself to WANT to listen to whatever message might exist. But then, my musical tastes were formed prior to the existence of ruinous, mindless, sleazy disco.
Warfist Darn, I didn’t know you’ve listened to every single rap song on the face of the planet. I guess you got me.
Warfist I think there are a lot of modern rappers that are equally as good or even better than some classic rappers out there. It just boils down to them not getting recognized as much.
Warfist Biggie, 2pac, and the rap of the previous generation in general are overrated imo. I don’t see what they’ve brought to the table that current rappers haven’t. We have rappers with better flow, faster flows, better album and song structure, far better production and mixes, and more genre carryover which makes for music more suited to certain individuals.
I think rap is fucking brilliant, the music genre has really helped me out with dealing with stuff, I know it sounds corny but I actually believe that rap music used to provide a sort of voice to the poorer populations of places like America and Britain.
A Triangle I agree, shapiro just looks at it superficially, it depends on who you choose to listen to.
Oh absolutely, that was historically the start of gangster rap. Gangster rap became a popular way for people in the inner cities to give a idea of what it was like to actually live there. It's funny that everybody has a problem with them wrapping that way but then they won't help fix the conditions that led them to lead lives that gave them these perspectives. They get horrified about the message and less about what he's trying to tell you which is where I grew up in is a forgotten part of America that has been left to become an absolute horror, and these are the conditions under which I have to survive and thrive.
Ice-T in the 90s gave a perfect interview that summed this up.
Really? Dealing with what stuff?
@Jacqueline ____________________ Spoken like someone who has clearly experienced poverty. Gamers rise up!
Haze Haberdasher People terrified are just mad that the music got them out their safe mental cave of ignorance and innocence.
*It is funny cause Shapiro's voice sounds like Eminem's voice in 00's. Hehe*
“How many *grammatic* errors is that in one phrase?”
He used incorrect grammar in critiquing incorrect grammar.
“Not Sir Francis Drake” Really? It doesn’t feature a man who has been dead for 400 years?
Emlyn Barnden I think he was tryna be funny. I like him but not for comedy 🤢
"Old man yells at rap music"
shut up. he not old actually young. not everybody gonna like or agree with the shit because you do.
XxxMetalheadHippiexxX stfu metal head
@@zachbohemian Dude you're not here to make an intelligent argument, I bet money you didn't even watch the video and opted to assume that you are already correct and argue with people in the comment to which they would then see how incredibly close minded you are, which is ironic as judging by your comments, you have the same mindset as Ben Shapiro judging a genre of music you aren't privy to and assuming that its inferior without knowing it AT ALL
He has the mentality of a grumpy old person, but he will always have the body of a 12 year old.
I'm about to be 30, and I hate rap. :-)
ben is like that english teacher who way overthinks a simple book for a “deeper meaning” - cardi b had no political motive behind her backdrop
The curtain: is blue
English teachers: 🤯🥺😢😭
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Astral Projection still haven't seen "Mr.IAmVerySmart" respond to any of these videos....
Ben Shapiro goes WAY overboard on the shit he says sometimes. He often falls prey to conservative virtue signaling, as opposed to the liberal virtue signaling we're all so used to nowadays. I believe that's part of his rise to prominence, the fact that he's filling in a hole that's been covered up so much by liberal ideals, that even though it's quite flawed on its own, it's been missed for some time now. Unfortunately, it's just an inverse of the of the opposite, and to fall for that is equally thoughtless. For those who recognize that, the juxtaposition of conservative ideals with liberal ones, draws them closer to the center.
I’m very conservative, but I love hip hop to death
thank you for being one to defend the genre
Travis Houze yeah man, I grew up on hip hop
Same
Travis Houze also my name is Travis too 😂
Well that is an oxymoron
Thomas Wictor said it best, "Ben Shapiro will never accomplish anything meaningful because he is too busy being right." I like Ben, I think he's one of the smartest people of our generation, but he gets caught up in small, meaningless battles all the time. He thinks too small. "Owning a libtard" on Twitter isn't going to change the world, embracing the artists that create rap with meaningful lyrics and CREATING culture that omits both hedonism and nihilism is how you do it. Give these poor black inner-city kids a role model that doesn't glorify killing or stealing.
If you just call any general form of art crap, fans of that art have all of the right in the world to plug their ears and tune you out.
I would like to think that he's helping establish an understanding of a virtuous conservatism based on truth and political dialogue. He's making waves to a lot of people because he's opening up a dialogue and sharing his ideas on a platform that's the new popular medium, the podcast. Now instead of reading, we can just listen. I don't you think you'd ever deny the power of ideas, even if its reiterating and connecting other people's ideas to share to his audience.
+Snared Arrow
Oddly enough, very much like Trump, Ben Shapiro doesn't know how to pick his battles as realize what's most important to respond to while ignoring riffraff.
If he doesn’t know how to express his point properly how does that make him the smartest?
Also fuck you for thinking inner city kids just “need a better role model”. Their lives are completely different from yours and have to struggle from the day they’re born. As referenced in the video, these songs are a reflection of their own lives that’s why they listen to it. It’s speaking to their experiences.
plugging ones ears is the standard response to Ben Shapiro. Primarily because he has very little substance to him, all he does is approach situations confrontationally to irritate people into getting angry enough for him to criticise.
Snared Arrow I agree with everything you wrote, but having a click-bait driven media means owning libtards is lucrative. It’s going to bring people in.
Anti-rap people: RAP ROMANTICIZES EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THE WORLD
MF DOOM: Doritos, Cheetos and Fritos
the fact that mf doom used that line to insinuate that fritos are made with cheese is reprehensible
As a white, nerdy, staunch conservative who doesn't drink a drop of alcohol and upholds traditional values, I can safely say that I love some rap music. The lyrics and rhymes are often funny and well thought out, they usually have a pretty good tune or beat, and regardless of if you like it or not, it's clear that some rappers are very talented individual. I like what they create, even if I don't agree with what it means.
If people take rap too seriously and want to start shooting the police and acting like gangsters because of it, then that's as much a fault of the listener as it is the rapper. I watch action movies but I don't seek to emulate Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Well... Maybe a little.
Get to the choppa
Mr Mgubu knows what's good
Mr Mgubu Same, I like some rap a lot. I listen to it when I work out, but live a life with no drugs/alcohol/crime/sex at an early age
i fuk with u nigga
You got it on the head bro
Shapiro's criticism, though may not be racist, is certainly postured in ways to be easily adapted by racist ideologies and he knows that
That can be applied to just stance on almost everything...
Nah, he hates all rap equally I’m sure. White rap is just as bad and worthless.
Drado Gin i find that most of the time white conservatives express disdain toward rap music they’re blowing racist dog whistles.
vickie g not necessarily.
It’s kind of the result of pushing black people out of American culture for so long. I mean if you think about it African Americans were only considered equal citizens 50 years ago and the acceptance of other cultures takes time. So now that black culture is the number one selling it isn’t surprising to see it dismissed by people taking more conservative views
Also have you ever written a rap song? It’s pretty clear why slang, weird inflections etc are so common. They make the flow work and...dundundun, sound better.
Sharpio is my dad when rap comes on the radio
You said Kendrick Lamar "Outsource[s] blame to police or white people for their conditions." Have you ever listened to a Kendrick Lamar album?
AJ yeah, that was one of the only parts of this video I cringed. Like he doesn’t know “The Blacker The Berry” is a song about gang violence.
Kendrick lamar doesn't only understand personal responsibility he also understands that the environments can have huge negative affects on community's so he raps about both.
This was my thought as well. Overall the video was spot on but that comment was well off the mark.
I enjoy this channel because it's part of what taught me to think for myself. It taught me though that thinking for myself is just the start of what could become of the human mind, and that to really extend our brain capacities in politics we not only have to think for ourselves, but we also have to have the ability to take a step back and look at what we are actually debating and see if we are doing it in such an intellectual manner such that we actually contribute to the issue and improve our minds in the process. So thank you 1791.
Holy shit i think this is the most controversial video released on this channel. To see so many people upset about this is really telling.
You don't have to like rap but you cannot deny that it's an artform, and a way of expression. A ton of rap recently has deconstructed the genre and is building something fresh and new. Check out BROCKHAMPTON. A good modern rap group with old school hip-hop influences. Good stuff.
The people complaing about rap probably love movies like Scarface and Goodfellas. Shouldn't movies like that be just as problematic as modern rap?
It isnt rap that's ruining kids, it's the braindead parents. Good parents wouldnt let their young kids listen to mature shit.
I discovered gangster rap at 8 and im still a fucking introverted nerd. The music is just fun to listen to.
I lIkE eVeRyThInG bUt CoUnTrY
People seem to forget how violent and crass country music can be. The majority of music is "crap". There's good music in all genre's, but to boldly state that the form you dont like is objectively bad is just plain silly.
Try to listen to music without bias people... and look into the lyrics more
Roy Earle - ...k
well shit a random commenter said its not an artform, better give up
SerNoddicusTheGallant - guess i just gotta end it now. He utterly dismantled my point
"Nowwwww uuuurrvvvery body nnnn daaa club iz gettttin tipsy" sang the "artist" known as 50 Cent. Just like Motzart and Debussy!
not really... unless you mean they both produce musical art but thats pretty broad
I’m convinced Ben Shapiro is actually a robot sent by aliens to study human behavior which would explain how he has no grasp of anything that can’t be quantified exactly as one would learn it in a textbook. As soon as things step outside the boundaries of his programming, he malfunctions and scrambles to find any way to delegitimize it. Luckily, his robot brain is “good” at arguing, regardless of if he’s right or not. So he uses these shitty tactics to distract from the fact that he can’t compute human emotion.
Ben Shapiro's primary mantra is "facts don't care about your feelings". This disregard for emotion in favor of concrete evidence works well in debates, which is his job, but cripples his social proficiency and limits his ability to properly critique more abstract genres of art, like rap. It also reveals that Ben Shapiro is in fact a lizard robot sent by aliens from Mercury.
Harambe's Herald art is about feelings and emotions. That's why Ben doesn't get it.
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@@joshn3579 "Facts don't care about your feelings" betrays that he's extremely emotionally immature. Being unaware of your own biases makes you prone to subjective interpretations of data when looking at any given issue. He's an intellectually lazy nerd. The type of guy that was smart for his age but peaked at like 12 years old and never rounded out as a person.
Ben Shapiro is the type of guy to call out indentity politics as bad but then uses his own identity as an argument (not all the time but he still has)
There are better and more consistent criticisms of identity politics among the far left.
If you don't like rap music, just say it's not for you and keep it moving. This idea that its artistic merit can somehow be objectively qualified as "lesser" than any other style of music is reductionist. There are so many stylistic, aesthetic and technical reasons to dislike a genre (e.g country music), trying to invalidate it as art is not one of them. It's just lazy. And I promise, Ben Shapiro will NEVER be viewed as an authority on "good music" or artistic insight lmao
Just because Shapiro's unseasoned palette doesn't appreciate rap music, can not in any way invalidate it's artistic merits and cultural significance. The fact that he even takes the time to write such a tasteless diatribe about it only further cements rap's significance in the broader culture.
Easier said then done when that garbage is crammed in our ears at every chance it gets.
Modern rap is a lesser form of music.
@@TitusKingdom Empty and baseless statement. None of you are arbiters on the parameters of music
@@JamesTWesson 😂 gotta be kidding me. Literally your vocabulary is on PhD level compared to the average vocab of this shit we hear today haha
mrkrabappleson lmfao you’re a racist idiot
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I want Ben to listen to Aesop Rock. Just to see what he thinks...
The way he looks at this is strange it’s almost autistic. He doesn’t understand simple concepts within pup culture or even language
Pup
Poop culture
@@julk2701 pap culture
Ben Shapiro is wrong about something
Tell me something new
Captain Squid ya alot of his opinions are wrong lol
Ariel Klein how can an opinion be wrong? Lol
Chris26 that's my point. I was making fun of captain squid lol
saying rap isn't music is objectively wrong not an opinion lmao
Chris26
2+2=5... that's just my opinion bruh.
New rap is hot garbage in the repugnant smelly kinda way
Diablo Tuezzy nah trippie ,sixnine, uzi, ski mask are cool
Skand456 listed off the most generic rappers out there that give rap a bad name
Skand456 he said rap not CRAP
not all rap is complete shit but to be fair there is a lot of shit out there due to how easy it is to pump that shit out
Lil Pump is fucking garbage.
"Future is conveying something that is, at its core, isn't essentially unconservative. He's asking the question of where those near to him now were when he was working his way up the ladder, harkening to the fact that his success had to be earned by he alone."
I thoroughly enjoyed that.
Dude, you should start a second channel and just bombastically break down rap lyrics like this. You could make a killing.
Appreciate the video, as always!
This video is good, but the thing I don't like about it is the slight at Kendrick Lamar. You can't really talk about the current generation of rap without mentioning his name. He's widely considered the greatest rap artist of current times, with his two significant albums, Good kid m.A.A.D. city and To Pimp a Butterfly being some of the most complex and important musical works in the last 15 years.
While I understand why conservatives might dislike TPoB because most of you think it is suggesting that all the problems modern black people have are due to cops and white people (which is untrue, I'll explain in a sec), you cannot deny that GKMD is an album that warns black youth about the horrors of gang culture and delivers a message that it is not worth getting involved into.
As for TPoB, the album is about the struggle that black people in the intercities have when it comes to the cops. Often in these areas, jobs are limited due to extremely prevalent gang activity (companies don't want to set up in those areas in fear of robbery), and in order to survive, young men turn to gangs and drug selling to make feed their families. The police actively hunts for dealers and gang members which often results in young men getting shot or arrested. Yes they were engaging in illegal activity, but people in those areas don't have much of a choice. TPoB is an album all about bringing this struggle to light. Police in these areas are also very prone to shoot because they are used to gang violence and presume every criminal is out for blood.
Plus section 80
Thank you so much for this comment. Ben needs to see this
Dan Man Most people. Legendary hip hop group A Tribe Called Quest mentioned kendrick on their list of best current day rappers on the song dis generation. Drake recognizes him as “top two”. Killer mike named him as one of his fave rappers. List goes on.
Kendrick is the most overrated rapper of the 2010s.
Also he doesn't let white people sing his terrible lyrics.
It's funny because conservatives want to claim that popular rap glorifies violence and murder when hip hop's 3 biggest rappers, Kendrick, Jcole, and Drake do exactly the opposite.
Also, underground rap, which is a lot more popular than people realize, is far less steeped in hedonism, drugs, guns, and such. Almost all of the biggest underground names are conscious MCs.
Justin Lacek absolutely. You can tear apart the most popular music from any decade as being shallow and stupid.
I like Ben, but I resonate with almost nothing he says about Pop Culture. Movies, music, he doesn't seem to know how to consume entertainment.
"Applying a political lens to EVERYTHING is harmful" that was a great point.
true, he quite literally is an ideologue and that really dehumanizes him in a certain way
Durodes Duvo he is a snob
So Im guessing Shakespeare was grammatically correct
I was once a young white kid with similar ideas.
Now 80% of what I listen to is rap and it’s by far my favorite style of music. This is laughable.
Same except I'm not white and its 95%.
Are u still white
Santos San Pascual 💀💀💀
@@Gnfndn lmao
Same except it's 99%. I used to just love Biggie, but then I found Eminem and Big L.
In my defense: I'm a classical musician *tips fedora*
Happy to see you are logical and not biased towards one group (instead you are biased towards reason).
Κέννυ Αντονέσκου dumbass
Rap isn't reason.
God-Emperor of Dune rap isn't reason, reason is reason. Rap can be reasonable, however.
^
Κέννυ Αντονέσκου your ignorant as hell and so are those that liked your comment
Shapiro was the kid that said “Gun Beats everything” in Rock Paper Scissors so he could never lose.
Ben Shapiro Is Wrong About Virtually Everything Nuanced
Yeah he ain't exactly intelligent when it comes to politics either
Ben is totally wrong about hip hop. I would argue that true, underground hip hop has the highest level of intellectually merited writing of any genre. Many underground lyricists are highly educated and have graduate degrees. (I've heard guys rap about things as complex as string theory and quantum physics) Ben is singling out one sub-genre of rap (trap music), and subsequently making assumptions about the entire genre. There are thousands, if not millions, of high level lyricists who produce lyrically complex and profound writing. Listen to rappers like illogic, Aesop Rock, Busdriver, Milo, Hemlock Ernst, Eyedea, Sadistick, etc. Just like other types of music there are good and bad sub-genres of hip hop, but to label the entire genre as just an "idiot language by a dumbfuck" is entirely inaccurate and disrespectful to the thousands of underground lyricists creating great pieces of work. This is intellectually dishonest, and I was surprised to see Ben resort to this fallacy.
Most hip hop purists don't support this sort of low level writing that is prevalent in the mainstream. There is actually a huge divide between the hip hop community in general right now. We have one side that advocates for high level writing and complex rhyme schemes/subject matter, and another that advocates for low level party music. Ironically, the main consumers of this type of "trap/mumble rap music" are young white males. It is in part because record label executives push this type of "party music", and refuse to sign or promote any rap that has intellectual merit. Another major factor is that most individuals don't pay attention to the lyrics and are only enjoying the music from a sonic standpoint. In short, one half of the genre cares about lyrics and substance, while the other half cares about "being lit" and partying.
@@myjciskate4 Thank you! I actually wrote a research paper on this very topic. Setting aside the often times extremely complex subjects of songs themselves; the triple entendres and multi-syllabic rhyme schemes; and taking something more simple that most people would understand, vocabulary, some underground rappers blow every author in history out of the water.
Here's a great research project comparing some hip hop artists vocabularies that I wish I could force Shapiro's dumb ass to read.
poly-graph.co/vocabulary.html
Factual Opinions how is he not intelligent when it comes to politics? Explain that
@@alanandrianov236 i guess hes intelligent in the way that he inderstood that he can gain big attention, when arguing with confused and unprepared college students. But if he were to talk to an expert or someone that has prepared himself as much as he has he would completely fail at arguing
Lol Ben never read any poetry, did he? Complaining, that there are grammatical errors in a rap song...
Tendo It's not even just rap, lots of music has "grammatical errors" because it's fucking music lmfao.
I like Ben when he isn't talking about music lmfao.
Ghostmane
"imma pop dat pussy like a zit"
-Lil Wayne. From his beautiful ode to lovemaking, "Pop Dat"
Rap is just a reflection of our collapsing civilization. Its not that people like it, its that they are enthralled by it. 7/10 children of a certain demographic are raised with no dad. These rap artists become their idols. And the songs are, for the most part, preaching hate, violence, misogyny, racism etc..
Poly-Rhythmic Octopoid nah man lil Wayne is not a good example to choose, I do agree that mainstream modern rap since 2005 has gone downhill (drugs, girls, money ... now xannax)
But NWA, Tribe called Quest, mobb deep (who just rapped about life on the streets rather than glorifying it) are artists who pioneered the genre
But the everything which goes mainstream seems to get diluted and twisted into some money focused shit.
Look at mainstream edm (big room house) FUCKING TRASH
Look at mainstream pop FUCKING TRASH
Rap is the same
Tendo also tons of grammatically incoherent lyrics in pop, rock, metal, r&b, soul, blues or any genre. Sounds like he's never heard a Led Zeppelin or Elvis song.
Ironically Rap is probably the best case for conservative views and capitalism.
A lot of rapper's upbringings and backgrounds are a direct result of failed Democrat states and minority enclosures, a system they set up for minorities and one they fail at with their coddling and soft touch ways.
And capitalism, well that's apparent in any rap music video. Having things is nice and a show of achievement and status.
Most rap is some anti whitty rant pushing Keynesian economics with no actual deep thought beyond pussy using lyrics and rhymes so simplistic a edgy 10 year old could've written them.
Look at all these nerds, caring about things they'll never be a part of.
People gripe about lyrics preaching its cool to kill for idiotic shit. I was arrested for murder in 1989. At the time, I was listening to the Bad Brains. Their lyrics are 100% life positive, so no issue there. Best to use logic to examine the facts of art, memes, culture, etc. No answers will come from Ben Shapiro vomiting ideological opinions based on his personal emotional goo.
The act of getting a thesaurus, and spewing it over a page to make yourself sound more intelligent.
And, apparently, government schools in cities serve mostly as babysitters/day care, that can't even teach [students] to speak English properly.
Are conservatives really STILL complaining about Rap in 2019? This argument has been superficial and tired since Nancy Reagan was saying it, I can't believe conservative "intellectuals" are still talking about this horseshit.
Sharp insight. Entertainment is where conservatives lose the masses. A listener needs to know when the host is out of his depth. I quit all political media years ago. Think for yourself, live and let live.
this is political media
We Lose the masses at entertainment because the masses have shit taste. Rap is highly marketed crap and sheeple will eat whatever the media pretends is good
It's an 'artform' for the lowest common denominator. If Bhad Bhabie and Tekashi 69 can claw the way to the top of your genre, your genre is probably shit.
Fake Name Live and let live to a point I say. If you let your culture go to shit, never standing up and saying enough.. you've failed your society and as you've failed a man. Things becoming accepted because it's been constantly pushed, seen, heard, said, like the so many millennials being okay with the idea if communism. Pedophilia is getting pushed by some to be acceptable. Incest the the lgbtqiapk is I. That's acceptable? Apart from the disgusting factor, if a kid is born from that, he'll prob be fucked up, and he'll have to grow up living with the repulsing fact. I don't tuck my tail when someone asks me what I think of this bullshit in a public place. They can get as offended as they want, my very culture is crumbling around me.
Damien, that's like saying ACDC is shit because Nickelback plays guitars.
You brought up a faceless picture of drake while talking about TI. Reported.
Also sorry man but you’re extremely wrong about Kendrick Lamar as having “displaced” the blame for black conditions... if you listen to his most recent album, or the song i from his previous album, he talks about he believes that his race have become trapped in self-fulfilling cycle of SELF-hatred and SELF destruction, which he believes ultimately stems from the fact that black people been abandoned by God, because they have abandoned God. His most recent is called DAMN. For this explicit reason... you might, like Geraldo, listen to a lyric like “and we hate po-po, wanna kill us dead in the street fo sho” but if you listen to the beginning of the song he also says “I’m fucked up homie you fucked up but if god got us then we gonna be alright.” As a minority, as someone who has a lot of friends from a lot of neighborhoods, the first lyric is less commentary anyway and more as a reflection of black perspective. After all, he doesn’t say “I hate popo” he says “we” hate popo, which is true going back way before he was even born (see: Rodney King, Selma, enforcement of segregation and Jim Crow, COINTELPRO). “We hate police and they want to kill us, but we will persevere if our faith is strong (which it largely, he says, is not). He sees white oppression and legal oppression simply as another obstacle to be weathered on the path to success, not unconquerable forces to which he defers responsibility for black suffering.
Kevin Beteta dude, there are more black christians than any group lol. And the thing is, Americans used the bible to justify the enslavement of africans
Nemo Dollaz buddy I’m just giving you Kendrick’s take not my own. Take it up with him
EDIT: as Christian as the black community I think he’s speaking more to the glorification of hedonism and materialism throughout black culture, but again, it’s his take not mine
Kevin Beteta i understand, and i see that. I just want people to realize we dividing ourselves
Nemo Dollaz I’m not sure who you mean by we, friend
Kevin Beteta humanity in general. Every one wanna try so hard to be different and soecial they all end up even more alike
Sometimes rap is just for sounding good and mumbling something catchy. Those rappers just are having fun in the studio making music. They could really care less if theirs grammatical errors.
Demetrios b there's*** haha
Yes, that's music made for passive listening. Mumble Rap and all that. Conscious Hip-Hop is made for active listening.