Ben Shapiro and Malcolm Nance on Critical Race Theory | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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Malcolm Nance and Ben Shapiro join Bill to discuss the "muzzle laws" being introduced by Republican lawmakers that seek to limit the degree to which educators can talk about race in the classroom.
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This is a very great example of why some debates should not have an audience.
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Agreed. Some audience members are really stupid. Especially those in California.
And the debaters should be in sound proof rooms that can be muted when someone is answering their arguments
It is also a great example of why CRT is doomed. When a Malcolm Nance is a champion of it then by definition it is finished.
This wasn’t “debate”, it is infotainment for audience capture and retention. A debate would be two to three hours with a moderator, a proponent of CRT and an opponent. It would start with coming to a mutual agreement on definitions. It won’t happen because proponents of CRT would never agree to this.
I'm a registered Independent who has enjoyed Maher for years but his show would be so much more enjoyable without the clapping seals.
Maxx it is sad that a comedian has to arbitrate a well reasoned debate. Love Bill and almost always agree with him. Malcolm resorts to cheap ass shots that make his opinion worthless.
@@friscomorsegmail Agree. As soon as the insults began, it became the intellectual version of Mike Tyson biting Evander Holyfield's ear. The parallel being at these two moments in history, two out of the four were getting their ass handed to them with desperation and frustration the end result.
@@friscomorsegmail Ben shapiro literally said "I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money" as if it was not the most childish remark I have heard. Both parties were not even being fair just throwing opinions and their own fabrications around. Malcom can't even make a solid argument and ben shapiro neck veins pop out each time you question his superior knowledge
I think the only section of his show that would benefit from a no applause sign would be the panel discussions. Everything else I'm fine with.
I don't think the audience is so much the problem as it is the 'clapping seals' in it.
Watched his shows during the lockdown and I have to admit that it felt kinda empty.
Maybe have more conservatives on or place a bucket of fish in the parking lot to keep those idiots distracted during the show.
“Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Mark Twain
Sounds like something my dad used to say: don’t hang out with idiots, because if you’re smarter than them they’ll stoop you down to their level.
Lol. Thanks for the reminder
Mark Twain I agree but Ben Shapiro “ I will be laying in a bed with money “ Lmfao 🤣
Nance took a n L on this one!
@@MacenW My dad used to say if you walk with a donkey you can only become one and if you walk with a cripple.... and so on. Simple basic theories yet very true.
I love the part when the crowd gets uncomfortable and goes dead silent once they find out that Mahar is on shapiro's side.
Except… Maher wasn’t on Shapiro’s side.
@@transphotography except the fact that he was arguing Malcom Nance and not Ben Shapiro and actually defending Shapiro's stance. I, like the majority of other in this comments sections, have all noticed the crowd shift tone and hesitate to clap for Nance once Mahar's opinion was brought to the table. The amount of awkward tension in that room was palpable. That's why this clip exists in the first place.
@@transphotographydid we watch the same video? Maher was 100% on Ben's side.
@@transphotographyi think you’re delusional
Yeah. They totally backed the wrong horse.
“When there is debate, slander becomes the tool of the loser”
-Socrates
FACTSSS
Absolute facts
Yeah. Shapiro is definitely a loser.
Saying to someone that you believe their arguing technique sucks... isn't slander. In fact, no one slandered anyone in this video so I'm not sure how this was even relevant.
@@UncleSamuelGATA Slander might be a stretch in this case.. but all the black gentlemen did was throw out propaganda & assumptions based on his opinions without actually debated anything while playing the crowd psychologically better than a carny leader playing up momentum.
This entire exchange says more about Maher's audience than anything else.
Very good point sir thank you.
I think it shows how out of his depth Ben Shapiro is
That's like very episode. The show often has the vibes of toddlers watching a quantum physics lecture. The audience seems to have no clue what's going on, but clap when they hear a word they like.
ya
Super left !!
Ben giving an argument.*
Malcolm - "Virus?"
Audience: "Applause."
WTF is this lmao.
It's called herd mentality
This is the woke left. Absolute idiocracy.
The worst part of the show is the audience.
@El Watcho The audience is a result of the public education system
Even Bill comments on the quality of studio audience he gets. Often teasing them for not keeping up. Often people who just got off a tourist bus?
It scares me how people thought Malcom was right and cheering him on. That’s was terrifying. Ben and Bill were a bit blown away by his stupidity.
They choose with deep devotion to pretend to be "blown away". Their job is important for your psychological distortion which fuels white supremacy (white supremacy is the power behind your currency).
that's what happens when the whole crowd is hardcore liberals. They'll always cheer for the Left regardless of what is being said
Sounds like Ben and Bill were the stupid ones dat u fell to understand .
@@spoker2006 Now where do you even get the idea that he is racist?
This was the first time I saw Malcom Nance , and he is so cringe and inapt in debate, he was obnoxious , Im not a big shapiro fan but he called MN's idea bullshit , whereas MN just insulted ben for NO reason
Just remember, if your opponent stops presenting counter points and starts throwing insults without you ever insulting them, you’ve won the argument.
That means I’ve won a LOT of arguments I’ve made for progressive policies against conservatives.
Thanks.
@@dr.christopherdiaz4473 Careful, you’re showing your highly skewed internal bias
@@dr.christopherdiaz4473 lol there isn’t a single good cause for any progressive policy. At all. It’s all bullshit baked in racism and victim mentality. Name a single issue where progressive politics is superior to conservatism. I’ll wait.
LMAO, NOT. In this case, Ben looked like a complete idiot and Malcolm SAW this and used it to HIS advantage. Ben bit the bait and almost lost it.
@@dlomane1965 I never said who lost or won, or who insulted who. So the fact that you immediately defended Malcolm exposes the fact that he must have been the one who stopped presenting counter points and started throwing insults otherwise you wouldn’t feel the need to defend him. By arguing you have actually proven that according to the premise I put forth Malcolm lost the argument.
Here's what I just learned: when you've got cheerleaders in your corner, you dont need a substantive argument. You can essentially just point and laugh and you're golden.
That's the secret of Bill Maher's success.
jesse my friend, don't pick on the audience - they are just clapping because the producer lit the signs that said "applause" and "laughter" ;)
I think that aligns with the Fox theory mentioned, too xD
Still kind of weird seeing Maher or anybody for that matter be such a cheerleader for Shapiro
Thays what Democrats do.
"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person."
Shappee is the stupid one right ?
Well said
@@MrHamtits God, one would think. I can't stand his voice.
@@moniqueloomis9772 How does his voice equate to how smart and well articulate he is?
@@moniqueloomis9772 No one can stand his voice but that has nothing to do with the discussion.
Malcolm is a great example of why a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
I'm sure you meant a great example of knowledge and proper context, as opposed to quoting an article about liberals taking Fox Newa as truth, whatever that means.
@@AchOwed Malcolm is another populistic moron who twist the truth to fit his ideals. It's ridiculous seeing someone like Ben debate an ignorant idiot.
Malcolm brought a spit ball and a straw to a duel😂😂
Bruh thinks he's Malcolm X, he isn't.
Malcolm knows what hes doing. He knows its wrong but he wants "bl.ack power" by any means necessary.
Lmao the fact that Bill Maher's audiences doesn't know when to clap anymore
The bots haven't received a firmware update in a while, and it's showing.
Yeah very obvious
The controller of the canned laughter and clapping was a bit off that day.
Hitch would have been happy
Dwayne D
Malcolm is correct. There isn’t a problem regarding critical race theory, only freaking out by conservatives as if there is.
"When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates
malcom the loser
That why Ben had to brag about being rich lol?
That has certainly been my experience.
You're right. "I sleep on a pile of money" Ben shouldn't lie about himself lol XD
Pron00b, malcom was being so annoying the whole debate. You can't get mad at Ben for snapping. If I was there I would have gotten angry much earlier.
I love how the crowd can so easily contradict themselves with a round of applause.
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Seemingly.. could also be a crowd mixed with some conservatives and some shit heads. Or whatever we call them these days. The they thems. Lol
@@chrischris5510 i thought about that for a second but realized well Shapiro didn’t get a single clap when he made a point so there are probably no conservatives in that group LOL.
@@chrischris5510 lmao why am i not surprised chris chan is a republican
@@mikehawk8361 hey bro that’s a sick name
Malcolm was a career administrative worker in the navy masquerading as a war hero. The guy has never seen combat no matter how much he wants you to think he has.
Come across a lot of people like that in the navy 😂
Well.. turns out you're the worst kind of liar
My husband spent 22 years in the Navy and never saw war. He prepared for war every single day. Myself and my two boys were shipped around the United States for 22 years defending this country for the potential of war. I'm not sure your comment has any value to it. My two sons are now serving in different branches of the military and I hope they don't see war.
@@ellaapodaca2620 Did your husband misrepresent himself as someone who did? No one should want to see war but Malcolm uses the weight of experiences he hasn’t gone through to try and get people to trust his beliefs.
@@alcazar123456 I completely agree with you. But both sides do this if we want to be honest about it. You can't go a day without watching Fox News without seeing some Navy SEAL on their doing the same thing.
In the world of debate you know you’ve won when your opponent starts relying on insults rather than substance.
love how ben stood his ground to that. much respect for him
@@mannyv99 assuming that something is an "out-growth" of CRT is NOT standing your ground.
@@Mr._Moderate he never assumed tho, he was just laying out facts.
@@mannyv99 CRT is a button issue now that just about anything can be an "outgrowth" of CRT. Doesn't mean it is though. It's more plausible that it's linked to economics and/or politics
it's not factual just because Shapiro said it
@@mannyv99 bed made of money
“It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
The smarter person won the argument
"We're all very different people! We're not Watusi...... We're not Spartins!! We're Americans!!!"
- Bill Murray
I’m able to win an argument with a stupid person. I make them feel even dumber through the use of comedy. I do it on Twitter all the time.
Oh yeah ?!
"Quoting famous people quote, makes me look smart."
- Albert Einstein.
@@rasadams9034 Not in your case!
That was embarrassing. Holy shit.
Bill, please go to an audience-free show. We will all thank you.
ya
He did that before but kept getting killed in debates😂
The audience are sheep 🐑
I think it was a laughter track
@@basicpianotutorial apparently they have a screen that tells them when to applaud and laugh
The audience clapping for Malcolm is the craziest part of this exchange.
🤡 audience
The producers flashed the "Applause" sign off camera, and so they did whatever the shiny blinking sign told them to do.
I know its frustrating ur icel hero is getting shit on
@@jamesgraham2192 Ben Shapiro is married with 3 children and a VERY successful business so that's pretty much the opposite definition of being an "incel": Plus his whole message has been, "finish school, don't go to jail, get married before having sex and you should make it in America".
@@Akihito007 Shapiro has his own agenda too. He is well spoken, I agree with that, I find some of his content entertaining, but I never watch any of this content without filtering in my mind what both sides are trying to articulate and the real meat and grit behind their arguments.
Yes Ben is highly articulate but his argument is fundamentally flawed, no matter how well he articulates it. "CRT" doesn't exist period. It's just like "communism" and "socialism", yet another scary word trotted out by the right. I also find it highly ironic that ppl like Ben and proponents of cancelling "CRT" talk about the divide that CRT is forming in the country but they are doing the exact same thing. Hustlers on both sides.
"Do you have merit or not Malcom"
"Well you know my great great grandfather"
I laughed.
Yeah that was pretty pathetic. You can tell the only thing he did to prepare for the debate was plan to tell that story, or he would have waited for a logical time to tell it, but all he could do was avoid question, deflect with anecdote, hurl unfounded slander. And you can tell someone is down there with an applause sign for the audience, telling them when to react. Pitiful.
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@@cheryllwaldrop9732 your just mad he smashed ben. Hahaha
Yes - what a fool Malcom is.
yes
Ben: *Makes arguement*
Malcolm: that's what yo mama said last night
Audience: *cheers*
😂 this is so hilarious cause I imagined him actually saying the yo mama joke
@Nunya Biz A decent debate or conversation takes place when two people come to discuss in good faith. Ben gave an impartial definition of CRT. Contrary to what the moderator asked, Nance gave no definition, dishonestly called it history and went on a mindless and condescending rant throwing jabs at someone who addressed him respectfully. Even Maher had to call him out for lying that CRT is history and that Ben called CRT bullshit. You're just as dishonest as Nance for saying someone has his head up anybody's ass when you're the one with your head up CNN and Joe Biden's ass because you've convinced yourself you're always right and everybody else is always wrong. Look at what everyone in the comments is saying and ask yourself why you're so stupid.
@Nunya Biz You used the word, "literally" in a situation that in no remote way called for it. As if there was a figurative way to interpret, "made great points". No one should take you or your comments seriously.
@Nunya Biz Now that I think about it, he could have been making pointy objects during the debate. But that makes your comment even dumber. lol
well Malcolm Nance definitely won this one
wow, I've never seen a living troll in my entire life, thanks for showing yourself Malcolm 👏🏽
You are joking, he was a clown
I would have loved to see an actual debate with actual intelligent points, not just someone insulting someone and people cheering for it.
This is what most of the debates look like in the last few years......the side with bad arguments just throw out accusations and insults. Sad to watch.
And yet, you're a fan of Shapiro, whose debates are nothing but echo chambers, cheers, and a lack of intelligent points when a debate does happen. Weird.
@@Deadpool3E I think you need to watch that clip again
@@Deadpool3E imagine acting more intelligent then Shapiro just because you’re weak inside 😂
@@Deadpool3E shapiro makes points. He retaliates when people attempt to defame his character.
They clapped for Malcolm saying “I agree with everything he said”
Yet they didn’t clap for Ben for laying down the definition lol
That should tell you something about the audience… or society
Many of the comments share your opinion, so let me break it down. He says, yes I agree, because the basis of your thesis is true and the system is stacked.
they have the same attitude as Bill Maher who may criticize their own people (radical left) but still would rather the economy of our country crash just so Trump is out of office. Well they got their wish.
@@nyceflix It's not "his" thesis, he simply defined what CRT is according both to it's own authors and to Malcolm himself, and Malcolm agreed with that definition. Then when pressed he tried to redefine CRT as 'teaching history'.
Bottom line CRT is bullshit.
They were waiting to be told what to think.
great point
I'd love to see a debate with no crowd. Suddenly his sumg face turn into panic as he makes zero valid points
I would as well, actually. However, Ben has been given the exact same advantage in other debates. It depends on the makeup of the crowd. I debate apologetics on a regular basis and I rarely enjoy debating in front of the congregation. Mob mentality always kicks in at some point and it can be difficult to get a single word out. Even when I’m debating apologetics in front of a crowd that generally supports my own arguments, the moment I catch the crowd rallying against my opponent, I try to immediately shut it down because it can truly make the debate one sided and I don’t believe any progress is made from that point onward. Nance should’ve had the courage to confront the audience and allow Ben his time. Of course, it’s difficult for me to feel completely sorry for Ben, because he’s guilty of allowing the same type of behavior.
What is sumg?
@@christopherd5941 Except Nance was being nonsensical regardless of the audience.
@@mathurex211 I agree, he was for the majority. Ben has had his nonsensical moments as well in his debates. Although, I will admit that while Ben has had nonsensical moments, I can’t recall him being so for an extended of amount of time, such as this. Usually, Ben will become more so the longer he speaks on a single thought. I have a suspicion this may be one of the reasons he speaks so fast in his debates.
@@christopherd5941 Ben's known for being particularly on point logically, like a Vulcan. I dont know of any nonsensical moments from him, barring his embarrassing night with Andrew Neil. He is human of course, though I think his verbal speed has more to do with his processing chip than anything hahaha
Malcolm and the audience are engaged in tribal warfare, while Ben is actually attempting to debate the actual issues at hand.
The difference between barbarism and pure class
@@jaypandya7441 Shapiro seeks a
L bertarian
A narcho-
S yndicalist
T heocratic version of America.He was screaming over "Barbie" the movie, but it set records proving a demand economy is best for Capitalist societies, not tickle down propaganda.
Well, debating the actual issues is part of systemic, inherent racism built into the white-male patriarchy...just like math. Just clap for the person accusing the "Republican Right" of doing something nefarious. Before we know it, the U.S. will be growing crops with Gatorade and swearing in President Camacho.
@@jaypandya7441 Or the difference between oppression deniers and the oppressed. Kinda ironic that Shapiro would take this stand considering what his people are going through today...
Yes, I know, 8 months later. The difference between what happening to Ben’s people and Malcolm’s people is that Ben’s people don’t hold a grudge. Unlike Malcom’s people, who still is holding grudges from something that happened 400 years ago. If Malcom really cared, he would be talking about the slave’s that are in Africa today.
Malcolm: "A week has 7 days."
Audience:"Wow!!! Impressive!! We didn't know.....let's clap 👏👏"
Actually it was more like:
Malcom: "Red crayons taste the best"
Audience: *thunderous applause*
More like "the week has ten days".
🤣🤣🤣 Exactly!
Shows the iq of the audience…. “Theyre not bringing their best” as the don would say 🤣🤣😭😭
Disagree with some of Shapiro’s antics and statements but the audience are sheep Clapping at the cartoonish nance
I think even Bill is starting to think his audience is nuts. 🥜
you mean people are waking up? the leftist wave in bound. bet in a few years america will have socialized medicine.
@@mogar5764 If this is waking up, they must have gotten an hour of sleep last night.
@@trebberzings676 where do you get your news?
what is your defintion of CRT?
@@mogar5764 I get my news from a wide array of sites. Left, right, small, large. I like to have every angle I can get so that I can formulate my own opinion. I'm more of a moderate, I wouldn't even say left or right leaning. But it's pretty apparent, even to most leftists, that CRT is a pretty bogus teaching.
You ask me what the definition of CRT is like I wouldn't know? It's exactly what Ben said in this video, which is, in turn, exactly what Nance agreed with.
@@trebberzings676 lmao the enlightened centrist. i don't see many leftists here.
It's scary when the crowd is cheering over dumb rhetoric.
That's is because they are the zombies!!!! Get ready for the zombie apocalypse!!!!!
@@georgetarbutton8752 you sound like you were part of the Insurrection on January 6th
I agree… But let’s be honest they did it at the Trump debates. All he did was take a page out of President Trump‘s book… A stupid page… because I completely agree with Ben. And I’m a huge fan of Ben for his well thought out arguments and points of view.
The thing is I look at Ben and Bill and if all of our government was more like them then things could get done… Because they understand that it’s not about sabotaging the other… You can come to a logical consensus
@@kelvinmack7104 "insurrection" lmao
@@valentinfranco6396 Logical consensus is a foreign concept these days
The audience can't even wait for the black guy to finish his sentence before they start clapping
Nance: “You mean like viruses?”
Bill & Ben: 🤨
Audience: *8 secs of clapping*
Wtf is up with this audience?
Neat television trick, they have signs above and around set telling the audience when to clap! During breaks producers come out and hype up the crowd “make sure ya clap when we turn on the signs guys! Here’s some free t-shirts!!!!! AHHHHH”
Neato huh? The magic of, tellavision!
@@douggchidorihabbo I've been in the Real Time audience. There are no applaud signs, but there are hype people ahead of the show starting encouraging you to clap. Sadly no free shirts.
Honestly, the show would 70% more substantive if they just omitted the studio audience altogether.
@@TTillman3 I’m no Shapiro fan but that other dude was looking for one liners so hard it was cringe
There is no audience due to covid, it's probably just one dude with a sound board.
They’re leftist tools
“ it’s odd that you criticize the meritocracy for being racist when you have done extremely well in it.”
(Silence)
“My great granddaddy was a slave”
(Applause)
Exactly
100. The audience only wants to listen to what they want to hear.
YES!! That guy is a joke. The scary part is an entire crowd soaking it up.
Yupe. Sums it up pretty well right there
Ya for real
Malcolm: "I agree with Ben on the definition"
Also Malcolm less than 10 minutes later: "Stop trying to redefine it, it's something completely different from what I just agreed on, you idiot"
hehe
I think you are making the opposite point of what you intended.
right!?!?!
@@carvedwood1953
Ben defined the term.
"Even things that are purportedly good in terms of race, so long as they uphold these broader systems- things like capitalism, or things like the meritocracy- these things are just guises for power. What this boils down to, in sort of practical terms, is any disparity equals discrimination."
Nance agreed to it.
Ben explained that the application of this definition would require Nance to sacrifice his own career, as he benefitted from a meritocracy which is something he agreed was a guise for white supremacy.
Then Nance said "my great great grandfather didn't fight in the civil war to hear this nonsense" or something.
So, no, I'm pretty sure the point Relo was making stands.
@@undeadman7676 yeah, no. Shapiro uses straw man arguments that mean nothing. Although they do a good job at convincing others that don't look at it critically.
‘I agree with everything he just said.’
Cmon bro, you just couldve never described CRT as flawlessly and articulately as Ben did.
You know you're debating an ignorant, unprepared individual when their only response is to laugh or smile and insult you. This guy was pathetic. 🤣🤣🤣
And try to use controversial statements and phrases like defund the police and “viruses”. The crowd just clapped and clapped because they heard those things 😂 bunch of sheep man idk anymore
shapiro acted like a pouting child
* as he uses laugh/smile emoji whilst insulting him. (Maybe prepare better next time and not be so ignorant?)
@@patrickmulroney9452 That is because he is the size of a pouting child!
@@patrickmulroney9452 you're proving the OPs point
If you can’t win the debate with logic, win the audience with pandering semantics.
Another way of saying, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh-t."
Substitute "audience" with "trained seals"
I hope you are talking about the guy that ended bragging about his money like 18 year old soundcloud rapper.
@@daviddn5631 she is talking about the anti white racist who decided to only speak ill of Caucasians but seems to omit all the historical facts about many other races who were responsible for many nasty historical facts and couldn't win an argument without insulting like a 4 year old. He might as well have started calling him a buttface!!!! Pull yourself together!!! LMAO!!! Fun fact for you.... The first American slave owner was a black man just so you know ;)
@@daviddn5631 lmao in response to Nance’s petty insult. Nance’s arguments are worse then a five year olds. He was unable to make a single point in that debate and ran away the whole time
I learned a lot from Ben and Malcolm. One sounds well informed and intelligent. The other showed what to do when you have no valid arguments to make.
Or what not to do.
Sounding and being intelligent are two different things.
@@jerudella8236 Exactly… Saying things that a dumb audience will applaud for is just sounding
Yep, Malcolm Nance is the one who had no valid arguments. I felt so sorry for Ben having the share time with this fringe lunatic. Sigh…
@@costco_pizza I agree. Ben started a very good discussion, but was countered by childlike tactics and no valid argument.
Black privelege: being able to dump 5 non-sequiturs on a row on a televised debate without being boo-ed off stage.
His thesis was that Shapiro is misrepresenting critical race theory, that in fact for the most part the right is using it as a tool to suppress discussion of issues like the KKK and systemic, historical wealth imbalances. What's the non sequitur?
Ben: *explains what CRT is*
*no applauds*
Nance: “I agree with him” *crowd goes fucking nuts*
I noticed that too.. Nance was a disrespectful child. Black Conservatives for Trump 2024. Let's go Brandon!
If you replace "race" by "class", "black" by "proletariat", "white" by "bourgeoisie" in CRT , it is just another version of Marx's class struggle theory which caused mass killings under communist regimes for the past hundred year. The Red guards in cultural revolution during Mao's era even killed the "class enemies" and ate their flesh in order to show the "hatred" towards them !
@Mel Torpae nice.. make a statement followed by an insult. Your moving mountains.
Exactly. All these people pandering to the dark guy in the room just because of his color.
@@galaxy-star-me One huge difference: color didn't figure into communist regimes. Marxism is not predicated on the theory of genetic hierarchies between human beings; whereas, class struggles are an objective, configured reality.
Bill: "Both of you explain CRT"
Ben: *explains CRT*
Malcom: *launches into unrelated rant*
Now if only Shapiro will admit on his own channel that CRT ISN’T being taught in America.
Stay salty brother. 🤣
Thats democrats for you. Most have room temperature IQs
Malcolm explicitly said he agrees with classical CRT but that the right hijacked the term so they could air brush history.
It's a shame you didn't notice.
@@NA-bn9er, if your school focuses on the application and practice of a theory it's not fair to say they teach the theory?
I get that there's a bit of semantics in this debate, but it's not like opponents are misrepresenting CRT.
*Shapiro:* _defines CRT as the idea that all disparity equals discrimination_
*Nance:* "I agree with everything you just said!"
*Nance 5 minutes later:* "CRT is just about teaching history!"
yes
Shapiro explained what critical race theory is. But what the Republicans in the mid west and SEC see Critical race theory as, is teaching the true history of this country racist actions towards blacks and native Americans. Most white people in those areas don’t want there kids to know about all the crap black and natives Americans
@@nolessgifted6333
Uhh…. Republicans don’t actually define CRT as such. Im not sure where you are getting your info. The problem is becoming that CRT influenced subjects are being required in public schools, so states are banning any interpretation of history that puts pressure on students today because of their race. Personally i think its a horrible solution, but it is sensible since the state shouldn’t be mandating controversial interpretations of history. Just like mandating religious studies or any other similar subjects.
@@nolessgifted6333 that's funny, cause CRT is exploding in blue states, and that's where all the pushback is directed. Do you agree with CRT as far as Ben defined it?
@@nolessgifted6333 That is complete and utter bullshit. We have been talking about critical race theory for 2 years the left have countered by dishonestly claiming that it’s just about history. Congrats you’ve been manipulated by the politicians on your own side. It is NOT ABOUT HISTORY IT’S ABOUT PARASITIC IDEOLOGY.
"yeah you're easily confused" 2 years later and none of us know wtf Malcom was talking about or why he was clapped.
Malcom never once addressed anything that Ben brought up, he just started a whole different topic every single time. And he does it with such a smug smirk on his face because he’s doing it on purpose.
Liars always smile when they are lying and Malcolm smiled A LOT
Thats what i was thinking
@@slime-e3989 They also avoid eye contact and use dismissive language in order to deflect the truth bombs being lobbed in their direction.
and cos he has claps. he's doing it for his pride to be fluffed
It's bc he knows Ben is 10 times smarter than he is.
In Dutch there’s an expression for an audience like this one: clapping cattle
Bahhhhhhhh 🐑
lmao cope
Canada has a similar expression: trained seals
@@2vcrew782 lefty sheep
@@georgepoveymusic Klapvee
“I agree with your definition of Critical Race Theory”
“That’s not critical race theory”
- Malcom
100%. All of these comments on here bashing Malcolm have merit… but this one sums up the entire “argument” portion. Dude completely lies to try to just “say the right thing” once Bill Maher calls out how ridiculous CRT is. Epic douche, probably making more people prejudiced against blacks unfortunately.
Bill have a definition of crt that he did not agree with but Ben gave one that he did agree with. Simple
@@millamopeggyhill9290 I must've missed the difference between the two.
@@luciusweickum2808 I felt so sorry for Ben having to share the stage with this fringe lunatic.
@Nick Yankee how do you know its not in some way. Just because there is no class for it doesn't mean the principles of it aren't being taught or used.
Some teachers have come out and said that they were order to act differently to poc because of historical racism.
These ideas can affect how people act and teach. Even how they vote.
For instance people thought the only reason why trump wanted a wall on the southern border was due to racism because immigration laws affect poc disaportionly greater.
Which is bogus because the laws never mentioned anything about race and their assumption leaves out other factors. Like the overwhelming amount of people from poor dysfunctional countries and leaving them are so happen to have a huge population of poc.
“I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money!!”
Yo Shapiro is a straight savage for that!
Remember that scene in Family Guy where Lois has a debate when she’s running for Mayor and all she says is 9/11 and people go crazy with applause? That’s exactly what that felt like but in real life. Wow
😂😂😂😂
its a low bar to clear but republicans are struggling with it
hahahah thats exactly what this was. Can I get some like on this comment? No? 9/11 Was bad and puppies are cute.
L effing OL. So true!!!
This is a surreal time we live in. Scary really.
Malcom coughing (audience claps) malcom rolls his eyes (audience claps)
Malcom disagreement with Ben (they clap)
Ben's comeback ( not a sound).......
Respect to shapiro for going into the lions den....
“Lions den” leftists have no critical thinking skills😂😂headed into the sheep den
Exactly... with out the leftest crowd and Malcolm talking about his 4 generation grandpa...I don’t care America now anyone can go make regarded of any color..I grew up white in a all black neighborhood and was poor compared to allot in my community.....Ben would tear him up with out crowd
Yall outta your mind if you think Bill maher is a lefty. He's a corperate hack neolib.
@@bender9222222222 talking about the audience
Because lefties are nothing more than circus seals
Malcolm debates like a child. Can we please listen to each other, have dignity and try to find common ground in the interest in unifying people!!?!?🤷♂️. I can see that Ben is doing his best here to not bite his hooks.
true
Ben did well
Ok white boy
@@arjunp1835 ok racist
are yall are just gonna make new comments saying the exact same thing without anybody saying anything in opposition in the replys until the leftists here stop?
Personal attacks and belittling laughter seem to be the most common defense to a lack of logical response in debate
Liberals.
I love how no one really clapped when Mr. Shapiro did his segment but as soon as Malcom says "I agree with that" everyone claps. Bruh moment.
Mr Shap is a moeron
@@MrHamtits he’s a real sharp guy.
@@MrHamtits "moeron", by the way.
It’s because Maher’s main base agrees more with Malcolm then Ben so they’re going to cheer for him.
Maybe they were applauding at "at last some fucking peace". I know I would.
Ben: describes CRT as dividing people in oppressed and oppressor
Malcolm : I agree with everything Ben just said
Bill : If its about dividing people into oppressed and oppressor; then I'm not for that
Malcolm : I don't think that's what CRT means
CRT is a legal theory they study in in law school lmao to say it’s sole purpose is to divide people up is a pretty autistic way of thinking. Just being honest.
Nobody said Black people are smart, and Malcolm proved it!!!
@@caprisunpapiiiiiiiii8296 has nothing to do with with dividing people it’s just a lens you can use to analyze history from a racial POV. It also leads to certain socio political beliefs buts it’s not “dividing people up” or whatever dumb shit you said
When he said he agreed and the audience applauded... he agreed that the ending of racial segregation was bad and just to benefit white people.. these people are absolute morons. NPC audience, worst I've seen on any of these types of talk show clips.
@@sabastian3022 you should reread my comment. Where exactly did I say it divides people?
If you think life can’t get any harder, try using logic and reason to convince someone who doesn’t value logic or reason to value it.
Are you suggesting Ben is using logic? He's wearing a yamaka because an old disproven book says to. Where's the logic in that? He's clearly triggered in this argument and making huge leaps to try and make his point.
@@mattt6201 it’s called faith
@@mattt6201 bens triggered? malcom who had no rebuttal of course ended up taking the typical leftist tactic of playing the victim and using insults as a last ditch effort in hopes that the insult would make it appear like hes won the discussion
@@pallie87 There's no discussion to win. 1st of all critical race theory is not in schools. Even if it was 3 year olds aren't going around wishing they could be transgender because they saw it on tik tok. White kids aren't going home like mommy I wish I wasn't white. It's all because school taught me about black history. And they made me answer confusing questions. No that's The Bible that does that. Even Ben knows that christians are probably trying to convert him many times. The conservative right doesn't even like Ben shapiros beliefs! The right has a little convention they do called awake not woke. They can't even comprehend that awake is a synonym to woke. They must have skipped out on public school. And learned mostly about God and Jesus. That's logic for you. Maybe you should put your kids into a private school or home school them? Instead of trying to cancel things in public school that I don't agree with canceling. But I guess you're not the anti cancel culture are you? I think we need to reconsider who's the sheaple here. It's OK religion is toxic. But keep it up and we won't forgive you. You know the word they use is called persecution. But I think this time around it deserves execution. Because you people just won't stay out of everyone else's business. With your ridiculous religion. That doesn't even add up to people of the same religion but a different separate version of the same exact religion. None of you on the right have any logic to begin with. And you're the only want who should be thrown into a pit of fire. So we can put it on Facebook and make sure it's never canceled till the end of time. And I bet you Jesus still wouldn't be coming back. And that's the sad sad news. Of what it's like to be in reality. And base life off more than just a book of many other books.
@@mattt6201 bra lmao nothing like Malcom bringing up his great great great great grandfather to back him up on something that has no correlation
This black man sure knows how to shut down an argument by just claiming racism.
That guy Ben made excellent points that have had me thinking about what we're being told is the "truth" for over a week now . While brother Malcom, who I was hoping would put up a great argument, was way to emotional. Not a good look.
yeah
Ben lied about the Clark County lower passing scores for testing because of CRT. How can it do such a thing when it is not in the curriculum yet? The reason they lowered the passing scores was there was an inequality among students in remote learning resources at home.
Malcolm was trying to explain that content in CRT at the elementary, junior high, high school and undergrad level was going to be different than the content in law school. Ben defined the law school version perfectly. Just did not explain what the curriculum would be at the other educational levels. Malcolm was trying to explain what it would need to include. Since there is no standardized curriculum yet at any pre law school level.
@@tom10552 He doesn't mean "CRT" as in the CRT course. He is talking about "CRT" as in the ideology spreading through school programs that is based off of CRT.
@@MrJeremiah135 Both Malcom and Ben meant the same thing. Malcolm agreed with the law school definition Ben gave. And said the CRT acronym has been hijacked and misused. To develop the curriculum to teach history of racial injustice in America. Ben decided to be adversarial and get in his face, “You believe CRT should be taught in schools.” Malcolm said I did not say that about three times. Ben still persisted. So Malcolm slammed Ben and his show. Ben exposed his true colors. “I sleep very well on my bed made of money.” So his grift is all about making money. While Not expousing truth ( therefore his lie about Clark County). Malcolm also used the virus analogy with Ben and Bill to show the failure of the educational system to teach about both viruses ( therefore a anti Vaccine and anti mask sub population) and racial injustice ( therefore a significant white supremacist population). Sadly it went over their heads. Ben being the so-called intellectual voice of the Republican Party shows poor critical thinking in missing that.
@@tom10552 “Significant white supremacist population” Holy shit, how is it living with your head that far up your own ass?
Malcom: "Excuse me for a second. I just need to get a sip of water."
Audience: Standing ovation
Right! 😂🤡 Bunch of clowns!
I'm black and they are pandering to the black man...just for laughs...and because of their left wing ideologies.
Sounding a little jealous...🤣
@@SheilaSmithPaparazzi is that what you think jealousy is? Lol... Alrighty then. 😂
😂🤣💀 I was just thinking that
"Your show sucks"
Who else is hearing about Michael Nance for the first time today?
Who? Oh wait, I don't care.
I'll never reference Nance in political debate nor will I buy anything he ever says.
Never knew who he was beforehand but he is desperately trying to 1up Ben to sell books and get internet famous. Hes trying way to hard and he completely over thought his approach and position and over-managed the minimal debate time for his own personal gain and cred.
He's utter garbage and I'm glad everyone sees it.
@@ActuatedGear he is joke
@@RobertZemeckis2025 Jokes are supposed to be funny. I don't like that avant-garde shit. That was just sad.
Agreed. I also think Ben's response was not classy and quite beneath him.
The dishonesty of Malcolm Nance is astounding and I don’t see how it helps the Blacks in any way.
Didn't you get the memo CRT is no longer a thing! it just magically disappear.
Your comment sums up the collective cognizance of the people who are talking here. Help the Blacks? Who is this not a racial insult? Malcolm Nance is a decorated naval officer and a valuable asset to our country. You all think you know what CRT is, but you don't. It is an upper level class taught in colleges and no where else. You people are conflating CRT with your racial bigotry. Please study harder and from various sources before writing this drivel.
Malcolm is just trying to stir up unrest between whites and blacks to get reparations for blacks and keep distracting people from the real issue of wealth inequality by pushing racial divide because he's rich and doesn't want people to focus on that
This Malcolm guy is the perfect example of playing chess with a pigeon in the park - no matter how soundly you beat it it just keeps knocking the pieces over and shitting on the board, then strutting around like it won (to audience applause in this case)
Are you saying Malcolm is the player or the pigeon?
That’s actually a perfect analogy for this lol
That’s funny as hell I’m using that saying
@@crobeastness I’m pretty sure he’s the pigeon he lost as soon as he completely agreed to Shapiro’s definition. Like there’s no coming back from that in the eyes of 90% of people. Because let’s think about it with free will and personal decisions we all make over 80 years how likely is everything going to split exactly proportional without extreme manipulation? Like should we make sure every position for every job is filled equally based on the race of the population? If so the NBA gonna look a whole lot different if things like “merit” are simply casted as a power tool
Lol I like that analogy!
Oregon passed a law so that math, reading and writing are not required to graduate. Let's learn about 1816 tho.
That's really puzzled me. What do they expect these kids to do now that they can all graduate high school? They certainly won't have the credits required to attend college. They won't even be able to fill out a job application. That decision is going to destroy the future of every one of those kids. I feel bad for the minority children who are being told that they're just not capable of learning. I think that it's actually more sinister than just equity though. An uneducated population is a population much easier to control. That's scary.
@@tonyh9970 they're intentionally creating a generation of ultra-entitled little brats who don't know anything but resentment and envy. It's a fairly common precursor for socialism/communism. It's societal conditioning to make people less independent, thus more dependent on government, and also creates a more utopian/radical citizenry in their political stances and the way they view their fellow countrymen. Whether that be a class divide, racial divide, etc. Isn't important. Successful division of populace is the true end goal(as corny as it sounds). And for the record it's working, despite the fact that basically most of us in this comment section can kind of intuit what's happening here.
@Chris G agreed. It never ceases to amaze me how the left just gets away being openly racist and supported by those they hurt. I wouldn't ever tell someone who to vote for but I wish people would just open their eyes and see what's right in front of them.
@@noahokayama3825 absolutely right. In short, they cause a breakdown of society to the point where only the government can save it. I've noticed going on for years, as I'm sure you have. It's been a little at a time but things have really picked up speed lately. I only hope that this increase is because they're afraid people are waking up and not because it's working. Only time will tell but the damage they're causing is going to last a long time either way.
@@tonyh9970 If somehow they manage to get a paycheck I'm not sure if they will be able to sign it as cursive handwriting is off the curriculum, at least here in California.
Honestly, just pan the camera ONE TIME!
We know their seals! Show us the seals!
There's no way a human being could have possible mistaken the word salad coming out of Nance's mouth for logic, especially logic worthy of applause.
lol arf arf
Malcolm's change in tone when he realized Bill wasn't on his side should be taught in debate class.
*Ben:* I have facts and logic !!
*Nance:* I have clapping seals.
Ben had facts, on which both Ben agreed. I am missing the logic part. Perhaps all non black people has a right not want to here the concerns of blacks, but it's going to be hard to convince black people that they should do the same.
Ahahaha you goon
No that I like Nance... but Ben belongs to a cult that mutilate children just because of a cheap and immoral delusion. Future generations will be amazed that these people were allowed on TV. It's sick.
Ben cherry picks his facts.
@@oommcc wait what!??? Just what???!
Shit man, I haven’t seen someone that smug about saying nothing in a while. That was a hard exchange to watch
he’s like an eye-roll grew arms and legs and eyes of its own…
your unconscious bias is showing
Yeah I agree, Ben is the worst.
@@adamfraser3252 At least he can make amicable points instead of yelling and using personal insults.
@@domdubz7037 yall are a bunch of babies if you interpreted this adult exchange as some major insulting match just coming from malcom. he is a black dude, what is so wrong about hearing from black voices whom family's linage came from slavery? isnt this the best way to find reconciliation?
I love it. every time they start insulting people, it means they lost the debate.
Correction when they resort to ONLY insulting people……..
Some people insult you while winning the debate.
If you can’t argue the points or rebuttal with valid counter points and you result to insulting you always lose the debate and that’s what happen in the video
Or they’ve had enough with the bs. I love it when they’re so desparate their only argument is “I sleep on a bed of money” lol
@@crazytrain848that wasn't even close to being his only argument. That was one throw away comment. If you honestly think it was his only argument, or even that he said that as an argument, I suggest you don't watching videos like this until you've retaken all school.
@@jimmy2k4o Nance clearly won. A rarity. Nance literally shut Shapiro down and Ben was defeated and knew it when he claimed he was confused, Nance's virus remark was the winning point Ben couldn't counter.
Respect to Bill Maher for having some semblance of civil discourse with guests that have opposing views. Too bad the audience was there to ruin it
lefty always do
Well, Ben Shapiro cant win debates with real men so what do you expect?
@@Rpzinna Well he won this
@@Rpzinna so Malcolm is not a real man?
@@tristinjudd2595 he literally didn’t
Ben is brilliant
💯
‘You mean like viruses?’
That’s the dumbest thing anyone has ever said in a debate ever…
To be fair the whole fox news fallacy "Just because Fox news mentioned it, it can't be real"
Was also a dumb defensive thing to say considering Fox is one of the most biased and disinformation right wing radical news station out there.
@@atomicfart91 so is cnn. Just the polar opposite
@@brandonmcdonald8356 not at fucking all dude. CNN is trash which is why I don't watch it, but it's nowhere near whatever you think the "left" is.
@@tonywords6713 My main issue with people defending the Left is, they never seem to be able to agree on a single vision of what exactly that is. But I can tell you just looking at the numbers and the amount of people saying the same things, CNN is closer to the majority of the Left than you are.
@@atomicfart91 granted, I think everybody knows who “won” that debate.. glad Ben educated the guy.
Ben: ok so the rules to football are..
Nance: nooo in ping pong you have to…
Audience: 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙌🙌🐑🐑🐑🐑
🤣🤣
Hahahahahahaha audible chuckle
malcolm 🤡
Lol, best comment 🤣🤣🤣
Nailed it😂
Malcolm Nance: “I agree 100% with Ben’s definition of CRT”
Also Malcolm Nance “you’re hijacking the term CRT”
Yeah man he was all over the place and covering his poor argument with snide remarks...
@@RobD-jq7ry true
@@rilojenkins Yes, they established that. However, when Ben began to build an argument against Nance's notion of what he stood for. Nance started deflecting and barraging him with insults before he could get it out.. Are you really not seeing that?
Actually what he means is it was defined properly. However, the way that it is presented to many people has been changed. If you listened to his definition vs what Maher perceived it as, then you have 2 different things. There is systemic racism that does need to be corrected and in order for that to happen, history must be taught correctly with less bias. But what white people are hearing is that they must agree to hate themselves and apologize for slavery. All of this because some white people are afraid they are losing power which clearly is impossible.
@@alexrose8299 Well said!
I don't always agree with Bill Maher, but he's grounded in reality that neither side seems to want to acknowledge and you gotta respect that he challenges your ideas that rip you right out of that echo chamber bubble.
The very last insult Malcolm Nance threw out at Shapiro saying his show "sucks" is embarassingly immature. He has the mannerisms of a 14 year old trying to impress their juvenile friends by hurling insults at an adult of greater intellect.
He didn't say his show sucks he said is this what you do in your show because this sucks. He is right Ben knows that the right is using CRT to be an umbrella saying they just don't want honesty about history taught
@@Kadegabe wrong lefty
@@RobertZemeckis2025 so you really think the right is concerned about a graduate school class being taught to 3rd graders? Most of their teachers wouldn't even be qualified to teach the theory.
@@Kadegabe I think the right does care what their kids are being taught in school.
@@SculptSome of course that is not what I was referring To. CRT is a graduate school course and something that would never be taught in grade school so it's a false argument that Republicans are making
This is like watching a fifth grader argue with an adult, and we all know who's who.
yup we sure do
Yeah and ben probably can't even win a argument with a fith grader at that.
Ben has more brain power than half of the far left in america put together.lol
@@dgjdtuvsth4051 lol. You are lost.
@@musicmadantidevil3688 name an example
Ben: makes a sound logical argument, silence
Malcolm: pulls some rhetorical line about his great grandpa that has nothing to do with anything, applause
Scalp Act of 1749 - this guy is going back almost 275 years, so far that it can't even be called American history, since it was before the United States was founded.
Also, he seems to think the racism of that day will surprise his audience. Maybe he didn't pay attention in school and had just learned about all that, but most of us have known about it forever.
The Chinese Exclusion Act of the 1840's - still going back 180 years, and again, everyone who paid even a little bit of attention in school knows this stuff happened, and there's nothing talking about it now can achieve. Chinese people do very well in the U.S., so they're not trying to get free victim points for shit that happened before they were born.
Malcom was being such a smug assole here. I know what he's doing. He tries to contrast himself against Ben's (justified) anger by acting cool and smiling and laughing at Ben's replies, trying to make himself look like the more confident person and "bigger man," which he hopes will convince people that he's right. He's implicitly saying "Look at how relaxed I am about this, I'm this chill because I don't even care what people like Ben think." It's a social play. He does not debate, he tries to win people over. That's the key indicator of a morally compromised person. I don't agree with Ben about a lot, but he was much the victor here.
Nance is like a high school kid when he’s arguing and just thinks he won an argument even though he didn’t make a point.
I'm not sure that guy even graduated HS.
Reminds me of trump
"Nance is like a high school kid" ..... I already agree
But he has the clapping seals.
If he has more friends around him to tell him he did a good job, he will believe he won. Just like Malcolm and the strange applause from the argument. Bill Maher hasn’t changed his views over time, but his party had gone super left. Making him more centered. I genuinely think he hates his crowd most of the time.
I've never seen a man make such a fool of himself on tv. And then to my shock and awe, he was applauded for it.
I didn't hear an applause for shapiro?
I know right, Ben always finds a way to fuck up...
@@TH-camburner1 well what does that tell you genius? You’re definitely one of those in the crowd clapping at nonsense 🤦🏽♂️
Yes, only Malcolm was applauded, not on the merit of his points but because of the emotion what he said evokes.
That is the power of propaganda through the public school system and mainstream legacy media-mass brainwashing!
@@AN-jw2oe what's the propaganda and bullshit spread in churches called?
Ben: "I think this."
Audience: SILENT
Malcolm: "I agree with Ben."
Audience: APPLAUSE!
Literal sheep 😂
Exactly. Critical race theory to Malcolm appears to mean spouting out horrible racial history that we all know about and this is the reason for blacks being held down. He's blaming this all on race which in reality there are varied and more deeper issues. The crowd are just as ignorant or purposely deniers of of all the other reasons. Even Malcolm realizes he's wrong by the look on his face but his chip on the shoulder or grudge prevents him from admitting it. The problem with this is that people he has influence over, predominantly black Americans, will believe the same thing and make everything about race thereby preventing them from putting out efforts to change their life situation. Merits will be meaningless. This crowd needs to listen to Candace Owen
Cuz it's all stages America is trying to turn white ppl into a villainous group as a whole and the sad part is many ppl are falling fir it 🤦♂️
@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq By all means,. Please explain exactly what those other varied and deeper issues are that you believe attribute to the uneven playing field that so called black and brown people who were disadvantaged by history of slavery that didn't materialize because of those " horrible racial historical facts that you say we all know about. And while you're explaining, demonstrate factually and historically how those other varied and deeper issues have no connection to race and to the historical enslavement of our ancestors,... and we, their descendants today. We've got time and We'll wait patiently for your explanation. Remember,... post your factual justifications proving your supposed point.
@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq Oh and by the way,... Perhaps you'd be better off if you didn't ascribe to the idiocy of Candace Owen's,...since she couldn't factually separate the historical enslavement if her people from the disadvantaged positions that our so called black and brown people are in today! Candace Owens realized that she could monetize comforting so called white folks by saying things that you folks want to hear, as long as what she said held your nation blameless and unaccountable to the horrors of your history against us, so she just panders to people like you and those who only want to remain guilt free and comfortable in their being cognitively dissonant from the painful truth of America's horrible history and the divide that was birthed from it! Bring on that Explanation David!
You know someone is losing the argument when they start insulting the other person and trying to change the subject.
or just when you know all that they say is gaslighting! Funny black man. Sad.
@mike carson or when your claims don't hold water! Try again using some logic or even common sense!
@mike carson look, I'm on the left and disagree with Shapiro on most things. He's not wrong on this issue.
@mike carson he is the one who started with personal insults with a condescending laugh instead of actually explaining and educating him and the audience. It was petty. If you're unfamiliar with this stuff it comes off that Ben Shapiro was far more nuanced on this issue.
@@catnapper7509 Perhaps you should educate yourself as to EXACTLY WHO that funny black man is. Betting you won't, tho.
Malcolm acts like a child. I’m quite appalled.
ya
He acts as someone with immense privilege. He has power over the other two people in the discussion and he knows it.
Black privilege. It's real.
What do you mean?
This guy thinks "defund the police" was (in his words) hijacked to mean defund the police.
Lmao not a fan of Shapiro but it's obvious Nance knows he will look utterly stupid trying to challenge him so he makes bad jokes and argues in bad faith. He's a clown.
true
What's great is that more than 75% of Ben fans would love your comment despite saying you don't care for him. Can't say that about many people's fans.
He did both
A klown whose done way more shit for his kountry than all of u! What have u done
So.. because he's done some good that means he can never be wrong? no one is infallible mate
Malcolm attempts to deflect by bringing up the Covid 19 virus lol
Also deflects at the end by sending out insults.
“If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.” Proverbs 29:9 ESV
I believe the wise man is Ben Shapiro.
Great quote!
So true
I don't know why Ben Shapiro would argue with that fool
@@josephruoccojr.912 he did it for us. He did it for himself.
I'm not the biggest Shapiro fan but his job just keeps getting easier every day.
How he got so triggered here, he didn’t even respond to Malcom towards the end. He just got angry just like in the BBC interview lol.
@@cliffspringer8084 BBC Same as CNN . I would have left 10 minutes earlier. The BBC was literally only trying to do the Gotcha News Crap like,: (8 years ago, you said this part of a sentence in a speech). so we need to admit that Dem always party of jim crow
@@cliffspringer8084 Ben didnt know on that BBC show that the point was to withstand insulting situations, here that’s not the point. So you can call Ben out for being triggered, but you cant call him out for being wrong, certainly not more than Malcom.
@@RobertZemeckis2025 you know that the guy that interviewed Ben on BBC is a hardcore Thatcher conservative right?
@@Moredakkamus Neil talked bad about trump and ann coulter on 2016 election day watch bbc election coverage Neil was upset with Ben because Neil is pro choice.
no he is not conservative .
I genuinely think Bill is smarter than his audience and that's tragic. Most of the people in the audience had made up their minds on when to clap before even hearing the argument.
The audience are not even listening. They are partisan and will applaud for whomever they believe is on their side, regardless of what they actually say.
He is inL.A. so his audience will share left
lol of course he is. The masses are MORONS
Bill has had a massive racial blind spot for years. He’s buddy buddy with a bunch of dubious to say the least bad faith actors in the conservative movement. If conservatives weren’t such sticks in the mud about sex and drugs he’d be a conservative. He just another willfully obtuse middle aged white guy who god forbid you have to be uncomfortable about a subject and listen to what people are telling you.
I loved the short but sweet no audience time.
A white guy, a black guy, and a jew walked into a bar. They all sat down and ordered a drink. The black guy was mad because his great, great grandfather didn't get one.
bill is jewish
Audience: Starts clapping at absurd moments
Ben: “Now I’m confused”
Yeah that dude couldn't even stare at Shapiro eyes
When you start attacking the person, and not their argument, that is when you have officially LOST
I always tell others this, when they start insulting the argument is out the window
I would agree to an extent, but Ben's history of ridiculous statements against minority groups do point to a larger problem.
@@bender9222222222 "Ben" is irrelevant to the issue they're discussing.
He just kept derailing the conversation and changing the subject if possible (talking about the virus when he brought up Fox News)
@@gordonbgraham why is Ben in quotes here. Is it not really ben?
This is a conversation that needs to be had without a cheering or jeering audience.
Buy that audience are the only ones who show up to see this guy....
The audience is always so annoying in debates because someone is about to make a good point and the audience interupts them
Agree.
It's so annoying. Literally clapping and clamoring over every word he utters. Then Ben speaks and its silence. Biased ignorance
Witty charm works well in a middle school social studies class. Mr Nance, this isn't middle school.
I believed Malcom was one of the very few commentators whose speech reflected a mental capacity for logical coherence - I will now unsubscribe from his channel
“Is this what you do on your show cause it sucks” ah nothing like the lack of ability to address anything he just said so you resort to personal insults. The literal definition of losing an argument smh guy is a joke.
I really need to finish the whole video before going down in the comments, I literally thought you were addressing to Ben. I nearly replied 2 paragraphs worth of my whole toxic childhood.
Ben did the same thing but worse with his "bed of money" quip.
@@okimura690 And some others.
@@okimura690 How is saying his bed is made of money a personal insult towards Malcom? It’s not. You okay?
@@braden2289 it's just a really bad response. How does bragging about your wealth help your argument in any way?
I was excited to listen to a debate about this topic and instead we just got one side looking for applause over having a thoughtful discussion. As a liberal this is just one more in the ever increasing pile of recent embarrassments over being a liberal. Ben was brave coming on this show, and came looking to have a respectful debate, and instead he just got a smug PoS basking in applause he didn't earn. Bill has been losing his audience more and more recently to the point where he openly calls them idiots... I think he's feeling the embarrassment too.
I really respect you for being honest. I’m a Libertarian Conservative. Or, some call it Classical Liberal. But it’s decidedly a “Right-Wing” moniker now.
Anyways, I really respect you staying routed enough to acknowledge what actually happened in this video. Did it change your mind on anything regarding CRT?
I considered myself liberal for many years. In recent years my views haven’t changed that much, but the goal posts have.
Agreed. Very frustrating watching this, but then again I've never heard a good defence for racial segregation and prejudice, which is at the core of CRT.
Sidenote; Bill has mocked his audience for decades, because they often like horrible ideas that are politically correct, even when they're obviously iliberal.
as a hard core conservative i was surprised at how ben's "argument" lacked substance. it appeared malcolm, as much as a despise liberals, was able to easily parry both ben and bill and score effective points. both ben and bill seemed to eager to be aggrieved and ended up falling flat on their faces.
@@michaelj6392 Most people don't change in their views, however, the margins of classification of those views frequently do.
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
Think they'll drag you down and wear you out with idiocy. They do know when they are among their own class of idiots and know how to pander. That's how screw looses like AOC er al the leftist bimbos including Kamaltoe stay in politics. Lol😂😂
The annoying thing about leftists is that whenever you demonstrate they're wrong, they change the subject and rant about something else. They will never admit or even acknowledge that they are wrong.
@@Stew282 you nailed it. They're big crybabies. When they realize they are losing the argument they scream and start calling names.
@@Stew282 You basically just described what the Strawman fallacy is ;)
@@PolishDork No I didn't. A strawman is where someone creates a 'parody' of your position and argues against that, rather than arguing against your actual position.
What I described is simply ignoring being proven wrong and changing the subject. As an informal fallacy, I'd call it "ignoring being proven wrong and changing the subject". Happy to help, you're welcome. :-)
Malcom is so smug. Liberals of 2020s in a nutshell
“You’re conflating CRT and history and it’s a cheap semantic trick and you know it”
“Well you suck”
This LITERALLY happened
its lefty brain
Ben was attempting redefine the debate using a semantic trick, and that why he got the “it sucks” because no one wants to play juvenile games with him. Ben is actually better than this, but he has trouble when starts pandering to a non genuine narrative. Malcom ready stated that Ben and many others have falsely demonized the issue. Because that is literally Ben’s job in life. Not speaking the truth but creating emotionally potent oversimplifications to divide this county on racial and economic lines.
@@SirSketchable I beg to differ. What he said makes sense, it's just not true.
Ben should have told him I AM POPULAR AND NO ONE HEARD OF YOU
When someone says to you “is this what you do on your show, cuz it sucks” it means they have no argument and you have won the debate.
Malcom went from AGREEING with Ben's definition of Critical Race Theory, to saying that the definition had been co-opted by the right and twisted into something it isn't. The double-speak is strong with this one.
I'm a right winger, but while the left is insane, the right is stupid, and most asshats do in fact get it wrong.
Ben gives a good, real definition of CRT here. It is monstrous, and what's beautiful is that the CRT goblin publicly endorses it shamelessly.
He says out loud that under CRT, the existence of a disparity, by itself, is evidence that said disparity is caused by discrimination. This is transparently retarded. Newton saw an apple move from a tree to the ground; saying that the existence of the movement is evidence that a force called gravity caused the apple to fall is as logical as saying that the existence of the movement is evidence that aliens caused the apple to fall; better evidence is needed and this is a dogshit epistemic standard.
CRT scholars never actually do the research to show that this is the case. They'll just point to something like an income gap, and point to all sorts of statistics on outcome differences, but never give proper evidence that discrimination is to blame because they're operating on a perverted version of critical theory which has descended into relativism.
@@particleman5893 this comment is gold, the Newton analogy had me dying lmao, had to give credit where it due
No, he went from agreeing and over to say that it is true. Malcom then lists reasons why he thinks the theory holds merit. Ben does not think the theory holds any merit.
@@patrickjensen9283 Ban said the theory is that every institution in America TODAY is racist.
Malcolm agreed.
Ben said we should not teach that.
Malcolm said "what? We shouldn't teach history?"
A theory about today is not the same as history.
@@patrickjensen9283 bro did you even watch the video?
If only Malcolm's arguments matched his unearned smugness.
So where exactly, was Malcolm incorrect or wrong?
Because you can draw a straight line to all the maladies to all the statistics Bill Maher mentioned. White people for the most part are interested in these facts because it doesn't impact them.
For example, blacks have been targeted criminally since emancipation. Slave and black codes to the present. John Ehrlichman in an 2016 interview said that was what the war on drugs was about. Look it up
@@scorpianbliz oh
Dude yes his level of smug was bothering me so bad. I know Bens blood had to be boiling
When Ben called him a liar he was projecting. Because that is the first line of conservative defense.
@m_train1 I gave you historical facts and context. If it is such bullshit, you should be able to refute it, but you did not refute a word I said, is that not right dummy....
I love it when Ben roast someone so much and then they continue to start to making stuff up
Ben perfectly defines critical race theory and the crowds silent then he says “I agree with everything he just said” and the crowd erupts😂
He says “I agree with everything he just said”... and then five minutes later, when he's losing the argument, he says "that's not critical race theory and besides you guys stole the term and redefined it blah blah blah" Sure do love them waffles.
No they're not even on the same subject ...
Because the crowd is brainwashed to not fully understand CRT
Hahahaha
@@rockymvvrcianu6846 yikes you left him silent for 48 hrs or he hasn’t seen it