I normally dislike all your videos because you sensor discussion in your comments section but ill like this one because you decided not to be a nazi for once
She may not sound very enthusiastic, but most people entering treatment aren't. I wasn't. But now I've been clean almost 3 years. Once the drugs leave the body, the vision becomes clearer.
I'm very happy to hear that you're in a better position than you were before. I pray you continue to stay clean and have the strength to fight through any moments of temptation and tough times you may encounter. Thank you for sharing your story :)
@@greenblood64 not having a drug addiction and trying to put yourself in a drug addicts shoes is just not possible, at the moment its like saying you're done with oxygen.
So true, I was just thinking the same thing like shes addicted to HEROIN- and looks to be high right there how much commitment and enthusiasm do these people expect to hear? She onow how hard the road shes heading down is and has been but the 2nd option, sobriety- is daunting and very scary- almost to the point it seems impossible.
Thank you for sharing your story. I was going to comment this as well. People are so quick to judge but they don't understand how difficult it is to make the decision that this lady had to make on the spot.
@Grace Kayvee Sometimes you have to use tough love Grace. I'm in an industry where it can be very frustrating when you get someone free services and do everything you can for them and they keep Relapsing. I know having patience is important, but the addict has to show they really want to get off drugs too. It can't just be a one-way street.
Many people don’t understand how scary withdrawal symptoms can be. While going through heavy withdrawals you can experience: severe pain, anxiety, depression, feeling of losing control, voices in your head, feeling severely sick, excessive sweating, no sleep along with traumatic sleep disorders, extreme fatigue, overwhelmed with stress, inability to think or control your thoughts, insanity, etc... it is scary af. She is sick and because of that acts this way. None of us are perfect, soo try to reach a hand to someone who can really use it.
Dont forget the bone and muscle aches, constant shivers and goosebumps, diarrhea, vomiting, cramping, runny nose, watery eyes. And its days of that maybe even a week. You never know how bad it is till you experience it
Addiction, especially to heroin , is like having the devil sitting shotgun next to you in the car actually holding a shotgun to your head. your mind is not clear and even though your soul is crying for help sometimes you just can't physically show it. I pray she went through with all the treatment and her and her little baby are safe and healthy💗💗💗💗💗💗
I wish the best for her. It's 4 years later and I hope she's doing good. Addiction is a thief and NO ONE is immune. Trust me. Unfortunately. I know because my 2 beautiful, talented, intelligent girls are gone. All it takes is one time. Be smart. Don't start.
It's true. I watched one of my relatives fight this same addiction and they eventually overcame it, it wasn't easy, it took time, patience, a lot of worrying, unconditional love and support. That's just being on the other end. Being the one actually doing it definitely is another story
@@dannyboy6815 Good on you. That's great. Hardcore addicts probably have about a 5% chance of making it out the other end which really tells the story.
@boredchinchilla, so? 'More comfortable', do you have any idea what heroin withdrawal is LIKE?????? More comfortable... Dude withdrawal is the BIGGEST reason addicts can't get clean. It lasts WAY longer than you'd think, the physical aspects can last MONTHS and that's just one aspect! The mental and emotional pain can literally make you kill yourself.. It's HARD. And she knows it that's why she's not enthusiastic about it.
It's not like she is refusing help its trying to live a life without drugs is what scares her. She is afraid she wont be able to live without drugs. My brother was an addict unfortunately he died from a herion/fentanyl/coke overdose at 34 years old
I’m so sorry. My daughter is a heroin addict and she doesn’t even talk to me anymore because I believe she feels shame but I’ve told her numerous times I love her and am ready to help her when she’s ready. I fear getting a phone call from the hospital or morgue 😔
@@caroltellier7048 How dreadful but how wonderful that you still make sure she knows that you love and care for her. Shame/guilt can keep a person's addiction alive but so can disconnection from others. Addicts sometimes burn through the people closest to them and it becomes a roadblock in their path to recovery. Bless you.
Confrontation doesn't work. Outcomes are way better when the therapist shows empathy and accepts your ambivalence. It's normal to waffle. Over 1000 research studies into motivational interviewing support my claim that empathetic listening encourages change better than bad cop tactics. Shame on Dr. Phil for using shame and confrontation when we know it is less effective.
@Eli Aurelio no, that's not necessarily true. heroin addicted mothers can have children born with birth defects, and premature birth, but the more prominent issue is neonatal abstinence syndrome, which is essentially withdrawal, which is treated with a morphine taper. it's uncomfortable for the baby, but not a lifelong disability.
I really hoped she got the help she needed. I understand that addiction is real and it affects people differently, but when you are pregnant, the baby’s needs come first. Praying that both mom and baby are doing well.
That is what I thought. She at least needs to be confined in a place to get clean until she gives birth, after that the decision is hers. She is being blessed with a baby, does she not know how many women that are unable to conceive would love to have that precious baby in their womb.
You gotta remember she's very high on a very strong drug. Her reactions and emotions aren't going to come through as they would a sober person, so her reaction was normal. It may have looked unenthusiastic, but she's saying yes and that's the way it comes out when you're that high
As a nurse that works with special needs individuals ... The major concern here is for the baby I've had individuals in my care who didn't have a choice to what was put in their system before they where born and man the results are heartbreaking.
When I went through opiate withdrawal I thought I was dying. But the nurses supervised me. And afterward the clinic kept me there and gave me further treatment until I was strong enough to stay sober. That was 2018. Now I am back with wife and kids, teaching, and working on my dissertation. Getting clean isn't impossible. I am lucky to be alive.
Sarah Alhazeem According to an 'update' comment posted a few hours ago, Kaitlin went into treatment but left after 15 days. The baby was born addicted and has been adopted through the foster care system.
She is easy to judge and hate, but hating doesn't help. It makes more people scared of asking for help and coming forward with there truth. I hope she and the baby are doing much better now!!! ♡♡♡
Poor thing we can’t sit her and judge her. She’s not within herself enough to understand completely but she understands enough to accept the help. Drugs can change a person but that doesn’t mean that person can’t be helped and find their way. Don’t judge her but applaud her for moving forward with treatment! Blessings sent to her and that poor unborn child!
So glad for your comment. You are so right. Rational thinking, gratitude and healing, come eventually after working some of the 12 steps. Yours was a gentle and compassionate comment and I appreciate it. Perhaps your compassionate and positive energy will generate more of the same. God bless.
It’s not emotion that lacks its looking for any reason to justify using and fear in asking for help is from the looks of shame and judgement which only makes us want to hide from the eyes staring judging
Tina look into a MAT program, with the knowledge of how effective it is you can help yourself get into recovery. Heroin addiction is very difficult, I know, since 2009 I've been fighting. But I'm on MAT now and sober. It is possible
I offered my exgirlfriend all the help and support that I could possibly give to her AND SHE CHOSE TO CONTINUE USING HEROIN AND TO WALK AWAY FROM ME FOREVER WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A SECOND THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING HER DECISION ! 😔 I PRAY FOR HER EVERYDAY 🙏🙏🙏
The fact that I had to deal with my addiction myself here where I live is troubling because the treatment centers here are so expensive and only some lucky people could attend to. In the end I did it and have been clean for more than 5 years, but it would have been so much easier if I had what they are offering to her. After the addiction comes the reality check where you have to deal with real life and be an asset to society which isnt that easy when you have lost so many years of your life in drugs instead of building up your life. So if you get the chance please say yes. The addiction is the crave but what is causing you to be an addict is the key to salvation. It goes so much deeper than to just get clean and that is why many relapse over and over again
Heroin is very hard to kick permanently. It can be done but more don’t recover than do. Part because, without long term treatment and recovery, an addict just returns to the old life. Have had many friends die of addiction. I am truly blessed to be clean and free for 3 years. Don’t hate the girl. Hate the disease that makes her ignore her baby and it’s health
A disease is a pathogen, an invading, living organism intended to multiply within your cellular structure. Heroin addiction is not a disease. Heroin when injected, the brain likes the simulation and releases endorphins. Quit calling it a disease.
A disease may be caused by external factors such as pathogens or by internal dysfunctions. source: wikipedia Autoimmune disease and mental health disorders fall into the internal dysfunction category. Addiction changes brain chemistry dramatically. An addict biologically craves drugs as if it is vital to life.
I don't think threating a pregnant drug dependent woman of calling the police to take her unborn child in front of a live audience qualifies as "giving her a chance". Withdrawals could mean death for the baby and shaming addicts only makes it worse!
Yes I worked at a drug treatment clinic and they never want to take a pregnant woman off of drugs. It is almost positive that she would miscarry if they do. We were always trying to educate the courts, police and doctors about this.
Heroin addiction is one of the hardest addictions ever. It takes over your mind body and spirit. I lost my little brother from this just a year he was addicted. It destroyed him inside and out. I didnt even recognize him as a person. Drugs steal your soul. I know its easy to hate/judge/laugh at addicts because alot of they steal lie etc but they really need prayers and help.
greenblood64 According to an 'update' comment posted a few hours ago, Kaitlin went into treatment but left after 15 days. The baby was born addicted and has been adopted through the foster care system.
Her only chance is to go on Methadone. It’s very possible that the withdrawals can kill the baby. As long as she’s under a GOOD doctor’s care, the baby can be born heathy, not addicted to anything. I am on Methadone myself and only recommend it for the worst cases… My cousin who was addicted to heroin and crack was still doing both when she found out she was pregnant. She was doing so much dope that I couldn’t fathom how she paid for it… So we did an intervention, and I had her setup for an appointment with my clinic that day. Thankfully she said yes, stayed on a low dose, and gave birth to a beautiful baby girl… Unfortunately she just quit going to the clinic thinking she was fine, but didn’t wean herself off so she went back on heroin and died. I just lost a friend this week to an OD which makes 10 of my closest friends to die from overdosing… Makes me feel guilty and sometimes I wish I could trade places with them, especially my cousin.
He isnt that brilliant at all.. He literally points out the obvious and everyone acts like he is the most genious person ever. Anyone that thinks he is brilliant is just ignorant
Honestly I feel bad for her, I am sure she is feeling judged by all those people including her family and is just fighting back. God knows what heroin does to your brain, hope she gets well
One thing I hate is when you don't do what the people say then they threatening you. Calling the cops or CPD or whatever but before they wasn't giving a damn.
If i was her Mom?? I would get emergency custody of that baby until she's 100% clean and stays clean for at least a year. I definitely wouldn't allow her to live outside the home with the baby.
You have no idea what you're talking about! I didn't watch the entire show however the girl looks of age that her mother can't be telling her what to do and the baby will be addicted to drugs so you just can't take a baby away and raise it. The baby needs medical supervision and treatment just like the mother does. Like dr. Phil says this is above your paygrade.
@@baublesanddolls if the baby is in danger she should!!! Either her mom on the state!! Just let a drug addict take care or a baby. Yea OK 🙄. I truly hope she gets clean.
I use to babysit a newborn who was addicted to heroine because its mother was an addict while she was pregnant. It was sad... The baby jerked uncontrollably due to it being in her while she did the heroine... It cried alot... But if you held the baby and whistled lightly she would stop crying... Today I am a good whistler... lol... But addict or not, its sad that a woman could be so selfish she doesn't care about the life inside her... She would rather risk that babys life, in more than one way, just to get a fix... Its just sad...
@@fukwhaturgoingthru yes hopefully that's what she did was went and got on a MAT med. But so many people don't realize that when women wind up pregnant while addicted they can't "just quit". And that it actually is far more harmful to try to stop suddenly. They need to get on methadone or sub but also they literally need to continue using until they get on that medication or else the baby can die.
@@fukwhaturgoingthru yes, luckily methadone subutex and suboxone are all approved and safe now for use in pregnancy. But the reason you probably see the majority on methadone is because there's no wait time to start taking it unlike suboxone/subutex, and they are probably at a stage in their pregnancy or for other reasons their Dr advised it safer, that they don't go through the 24 hour or so withdrawal period necessary before starting sub. So they go with methadone instead.
This is from 3 years ago, and everyone else is saying she went to rehab for 15 days then left. Baby was born drug addicted and adopted through the foster care system.
The AMAZING thing is, Dr Phil is paying for her help. He may sound arrogant or unfeeling, but he's just adamant. He cares and does what's right, but he won't be jerked around because many others WILL accept his help. God bless Dr Phil
Kristen Heckelmann According to an 'update' comment posted a few hours ago, Kaitlin went into treatment but left after 15 days. The baby was born addicted and has been adopted through the foster care system.
People need to respect that 'people' do not always react or respond in a way that you understand; give them a chance for goodness sake. Making any decision in life is bloody tough for crying out loud! Making this choice... takes guts... making a choice of this magnitude is saying that you, yourself have failed and cannot help yourself any longer! I am in bloody tears typing this because I am like this... not drugs or anything like that... but I have my issues too! I hope she made it!!!
For everyone wondering she went to rehab but left after 15 days was sober for 3 months got back on heroine and her baby tested positive for cocaine , heroine , and marijuana The day after the baby was born she was taken into foster care and She hasn’t seen the baby since because she is still using
Your the mvp! Sorry to hear that. A beautiful baby growing up in foster care. Im wondering how come they didn't do it choose to give the baby to family first.
@@shivonneharris5109 thanks! And because her mom said she was already taking care of her other 2 kids and she said she wasn’t going to take care of another one :/ really sad story
@@statenisland5743 sometimes they just don't have the capacity to keep taking on their kids mistakes. I know of one lady who took TEN of her daughters FOURTEEN CHILDREN (to the kids detriment). How many should she have taken? She's in her 70's for crying out loud.
I'm in recovery, getting clean and working the program is a full time job and requires dedication. You have to want it for yourself. She was nodding while Dr. Phil was talking to her. Praying for her recovery and her baby.
Wishing you a good recovery you can do this!! It’s very hard but it’s great that you are taking the steps and putting in the work to get better for yourself
One thing you need to understand and a heroin addict: they are used to numbing themselves through the drug and not feeling anything. Whenever any feelings come their way while they are sober they are amplified to an extreme. Same way that light seems brighter when you first open your eyes in the morning.
Yea. They just have to be happy she even accepted it. She accepts it and still gets heckled for..she could have just changed her mind after that because once your hooked it won't take much for you to say 'no I won't go to treatment" and if you say yes and still get b***hed at for it by your family it will make you feel like they aren't grateful and if they're still going to yell at you then it just make you think "might as well go back and get high" you know?. They was making it worse on television. I'm just glad to see she accepted it. I hope she's doing ok and her baby. I know what it's like and I've known people who was in the same spot and being pregnant so I hope she's alright
The fact that she said yes at all is a step in the right direction. That means she does deep down wanna get help. She wasn’t past the point of no return.
@@angelaplaster1371 when pregnant and addicted its more complicated than that. She needs medication assisted treatment so she doesn't miscarry. Or at this point worse, have a stillborn.
She already said yes! Why are they still lecturing her and what more can she do in that moment. They should be pushing her up for making this difficult decision!
That doesn't work man. What are you suggesting- tie them to a chair and lock them in a room? Outdated methods like that are ancient for a reason. Cause they don't work. Try it and you'd best believe many addicts will cut off their own hand to break free and get their drugs just to avoid withdrawal. That's how powerful heroin withdrawal and addiction is. Extreme example but you get my point and its not far fetched at ALL. Many would also commit suicide, and many people have, when forced to detox in jail. And in the end even if they can't break out of wherever you try to force them to stay and get clean at, and if they don't take their life, 90% will relapse once they are free again. And due to lowered tolerance many overdose and die this way. Forcing it doesn't work.
Indigothe Knight According to an 'update' comment posted a few hours ago, Kaitlin went into treatment but left after 15 days. The baby was born addicted and has been adopted through the foster care system.
My causin used to be a heroin addict and she was so lost in life. At one point she was living in Idiana out of her car. She got sober and now she has clean for quite a while now. She has a boyfriend who has a sweet son, a cute pitbull named lilac and makes amazing drawings. Mainly mermaids, trees, plants, flowers and animals. It can be done you can get clean you just need to do your part.
I can't stand the sound of her gravel throat. You can tell how messed up she is. I really hope she got the help & the baby is healthy & safe. UPDATE??????
This woman is legit trash. She stayed at that rehab for only 15 days and left. She was sober for 3 months gave birth to the baby who was addicted to drugs and now she’s back using heroin again and homeless. Her family has finally given up on her. This woman doesn’t wanna get clean. Let her do whatever she wants there are actual addicts out there like myself who hit rock bottom and had enough and turned their lives around. She had some of the best help and through it away. Sad.
He forced her into this...she’s extremely high. Her attitude is infuriating but he pretty much just said, “if you don’t take my help...” then followed through with a threat. She doesn’t deserve the help because she doesn’t want to be there
I feel like dr phil usually is a little harsh on addicts in the way he speaks to them. This poor woman is addicted to heroin. Her reactions, her apprehension, it is all normal for someone who is an addict. Addiction is a physical and mental illness, not a choice or something that most people cannot just wake up and say no to. This woman needs more sympathy, more therapy, more encouragement, and less shame on ntl television...
Mogmii Kaitlyn went to rehab, but left after 15 days. She was sober for 3 months, but got back on heroine and her baby tested positive for cocaine, heroine, and marijuana. The day after the baby was born, the baby was taken into foster care and Kaitlyn hasn’t seen the baby since, because she is still using .
@@morganjanelle4282 Thanks for the info! Thats so sad, but in this case I just hope the baby is healthy and will be given the chance to grow up as a normal kid in safe circumstances.
Dr Phil you are a great perso and and a great job and so is your wife sad cases put you sre tough and thats cald tuff love great job helping all thede people God Bless
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does Phil read these?
@@SoSaSmith not really sure i dont expect he does.
I normally dislike all your videos because you sensor discussion in your comments section but ill like this one because you decided not to be a nazi for once
@@benjaminamarante8481 why you comparing big phil to a nazi because he turns comments off
She may not sound very enthusiastic, but most people entering treatment aren't. I wasn't. But now I've been clean almost 3 years. Once the drugs leave the body, the vision becomes clearer.
I'm very happy to hear that you're in a better position than you were before. I pray you continue to stay clean and have the strength to fight through any moments of temptation and tough times you may encounter. Thank you for sharing your story :)
You are absolutely right, but they could not make it any easier for her.
@@greenblood64 not having a drug addiction and trying to put yourself in a drug addicts shoes is just not possible, at the moment its like saying you're done with oxygen.
So true, I was just thinking the same thing like shes addicted to HEROIN- and looks to be high right there how much commitment and enthusiasm do these people expect to hear? She onow how hard the road shes heading down is and has been but the 2nd option, sobriety- is daunting and very scary- almost to the point it seems impossible.
Thank you for sharing your story. I was going to comment this as well. People are so quick to judge but they don't understand how difficult it is to make the decision that this lady had to make on the spot.
Imagine not even being born yet, and you get to hear doctor Phil's voice fr.
Hahahaha 😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Grace Kayvee Sometimes you have to use tough love Grace. I'm in an industry where it can be very frustrating when you get someone free services and do everything you can for them and they keep Relapsing. I know having patience is important, but the addict has to show they really want to get off drugs too. It can't just be a one-way street.
Imagine not being born yet and ur already sentenced to death
Imagine not being born yet, and you have a junky as a mother who has not given 2 f....s and has also made you a junky!!!
@@Wolf-ic7en junky before the junky gives birth
She did say yes and her family seemed to be pushing for more. Her just saying yes is a big step. Her family was getting on my nerves!
They didn't know better. The whole thing is very sad for everyone involved.
My thoughts exactly.
Agreed
Her family is not the issue people! I’m pretty sure her stealing, robbing, getting a fetus high every other night and addicted got on their nerves!!!
they want a crying come to jesus breakdown. its just not possible.
Many people don’t understand how scary withdrawal symptoms can be. While going through heavy withdrawals you can experience: severe pain, anxiety, depression, feeling of losing control, voices in your head, feeling severely sick, excessive sweating, no sleep along with traumatic sleep disorders, extreme fatigue, overwhelmed with stress, inability to think or control your thoughts, insanity, etc... it is scary af. She is sick and because of that acts this way. None of us are perfect, soo try to reach a hand to someone who can really use it.
Prayers for her and baby. We’re imperfect humans no time to judge
All thats plus the baby feels it too, thus extra pain
Certainly doesnt help when youre pregnant as well.
Well said. Until you’ve lived it or watched someone you live go through it, you don’t really understand it. It’s the devil.
Dont forget the bone and muscle aches, constant shivers and goosebumps, diarrhea, vomiting, cramping, runny nose, watery eyes. And its days of that maybe even a week. You never know how bad it is till you experience it
Addiction, especially to heroin , is like having the devil sitting shotgun next to you in the car actually holding a shotgun to your head. your mind is not clear and even though your soul is crying for help sometimes you just can't physically show it. I pray she went through with all the treatment and her and her little baby are safe and healthy💗💗💗💗💗💗
I hope the child went to a home that wanted a child and were ready to help this child have a better future
@Squish squish Masters that's a very good way of explaining it. Thank you
I wish the best for her. It's 4 years later and I hope she's doing good. Addiction is a thief and NO ONE is immune. Trust me. Unfortunately. I know because my 2 beautiful, talented, intelligent girls are gone. All it takes is one time. Be smart. Don't start.
What you said about the devil is Exactly what it is
A great description but sad at the same time
@@kathieschlosnagle8410 wow!! Im so sorry to hear about that😓
She is just scared. She has pain and suffering ahead of her most couldn't understand.
The fancy places that he sends them to use chemical withdrawal, so she would be more comfortable than if she tried at home
Exactly
It's true. I watched one of my relatives fight this same addiction and they eventually overcame it, it wasn't easy, it took time, patience, a lot of worrying, unconditional love and support. That's just being on the other end. Being the one actually doing it definitely is another story
@@dannyboy6815 Good on you. That's great. Hardcore addicts probably have about a 5% chance of making it out the other end which really tells the story.
@boredchinchilla, so? 'More comfortable', do you have any idea what heroin withdrawal is LIKE?????? More comfortable... Dude withdrawal is the BIGGEST reason addicts can't get clean. It lasts WAY longer than you'd think, the physical aspects can last MONTHS and that's just one aspect! The mental and emotional pain can literally make you kill yourself..
It's HARD. And she knows it that's why she's not enthusiastic about it.
It's not like she is refusing help its trying to live a life without drugs is what scares her. She is afraid she wont be able to live without drugs. My brother was an addict unfortunately he died from a herion/fentanyl/coke overdose at 34 years old
That's heartbreaking. It's becoming too common these days.
Sorry to hear that. Bless you.
Sorry to hear about your brother! X
I’m so sorry. My daughter is a heroin addict and she doesn’t even talk to me anymore because I believe she feels shame but I’ve told her numerous times I love her and am ready to help her when she’s ready. I fear getting a phone call from the hospital or morgue 😔
@@caroltellier7048 How dreadful but how wonderful that you still make sure she knows that you love and care for her. Shame/guilt can keep a person's addiction alive but so can disconnection from others. Addicts sometimes burn through the people closest to them and it becomes a roadblock in their path to recovery. Bless you.
The baby’s first words are gonna be “I don’t ask myself why you’re behaving this why, I ask myself WHY NOT”
Dr. Phil is a great teacher..
@@aprilsilvers381 did i say he wasn’t
lol!! 😂
@@georgia-maepearce3521 The defense from your comments was so tense it made me uncomfortable reading it.. lol
Stahhhhp.💀💀💀
Bring her back in to talk about her thoughts during this episode and where she is now.
She passed
@@williamdavies2375 . . . When did this happen William? ... Did her unborn survive? ...
Nooo
Is baby ?
@@mirnabonilla7488 was born addicted to heroin, cocaine, thc.
@@williamdavies2375 how dyou know please??
I used to be a druggie
Her reaction is normal
She said yes she meant it
Unfortunately when you addicted you lack a verity Of emotions
Exactly....she’s got a lot running through her mind but she’s so numb that she can’t express it unfortunately..
In another clip she said she would accept the help "to an extent". As an ex druggie, she didn't hit rock bottom IMO.
@@fabialvarez13 cus she scared. If addiction wasn’t hard to overcome, there would be no drug problems.
Confrontation doesn't work. Outcomes are way better when the therapist shows empathy and accepts your ambivalence. It's normal to waffle. Over 1000 research studies into motivational interviewing support my claim that empathetic listening encourages change better than bad cop tactics. Shame on Dr. Phil for using shame and confrontation when we know it is less effective.
The brain gets high-jacked, along with aspects of decision making.
It’s not easy to commit to getting help when you’re in active addiction. It’s so hard to overcome.
Life is hard.
I feel bad, she looks like she’s in her 3rd trimester. Poor baby must be absorbing all those chemicals from the heroin.
@@quinlam5704 as a recovering heroin addict this comment literally made me sick
@@quinlam5704 stfu
@@quinlam5704 USE YOUR HEAD
@Eli Aurelio Not necessarily disabled, but the baby will be born addicted to heroin and will be in withdrawals but not disabled
@Eli Aurelio no, that's not necessarily true. heroin addicted mothers can have children born with birth defects, and premature birth, but the more prominent issue is neonatal abstinence syndrome, which is essentially withdrawal, which is treated with a morphine taper. it's uncomfortable for the baby, but not a lifelong disability.
I really hoped she got the help she needed. I understand that addiction is real and it affects people differently, but when you are pregnant, the baby’s needs come first. Praying that both mom and baby are doing well.
Poor unborn child..
That is what I thought. She at least needs to be confined in a place to get clean until she gives birth, after that the decision is hers. She is being blessed with a baby, does she not know how many women that are unable to conceive would love to have that precious baby in their womb.
@@nancywelch1 that’s weird bc there are tons of babies and children that are already born that could use these women you’re speaking of....
Yep
Theyve been born for like 4 years
I alive 4 years
You gotta remember she's very high on a very strong drug. Her reactions and emotions aren't going to come through as they would a sober person, so her reaction was normal. It may have looked unenthusiastic, but she's saying yes and that's the way it comes out when you're that high
As a nurse that works with special needs individuals ... The major concern here is for the baby I've had individuals in my care who didn't have a choice to what was put in their system before they where born and man the results are heartbreaking.
When I went through opiate withdrawal I thought I was dying. But the nurses supervised me. And afterward the clinic kept me there and gave me further treatment until I was strong enough to stay sober. That was 2018. Now I am back with wife and kids, teaching, and working on my dissertation. Getting clean isn't impossible. I am lucky to be alive.
Hearing the crowd say take it so wholesome. Hearing ppl encourage u to do better even if ur not ready is a comforting thing
😂😂I was so confused the comments are turned on for this one. May this poor baby be healthy and may the mother take what doctor phill offered her.
Sarah Alhazeem According to an 'update' comment posted a few hours ago, Kaitlin went into treatment but left after 15 days. The baby was born addicted and has been adopted through the foster care system.
If she completed treatment the baby would be ok
The pain and suffering and sometimes permanent brain damage that baby would of suffered is horrific honestly its heart breaking 💔 😪
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Also don't ever force anyone or guilt trip anyone into going to get help. If they don't wanna get sober then they wont.
She is easy to judge and hate, but hating doesn't help. It makes more people scared of asking for help and coming forward with there truth.
I hope she and the baby are doing much better now!!! ♡♡♡
Exactly. Adding Hate to the equation only exacerbates the problem. Its down to society on the whole why there's such a epidemic with drug addiction.
Poor thing we can’t sit her and judge her. She’s not within herself enough to understand completely but she understands enough to accept the help. Drugs can change a person but that doesn’t mean that person can’t be helped and find their way. Don’t judge her but applaud her for moving forward with treatment! Blessings sent to her and that poor unborn child!
So glad for your comment. You are so right. Rational thinking, gratitude and healing, come eventually after working some of the 12 steps. Yours was a gentle and compassionate comment and I appreciate it. Perhaps your compassionate and positive energy will generate more of the same. God bless.
Im a addict myself struggling now with heroin we lack emotions...if i had someone offer me help i damn sure would scream yesss
Same. I wish I had help I'd jump on it
It’s not emotion that lacks its looking for any reason to justify using and fear in asking for help is from the looks of shame and judgement which only makes us want to hide from the eyes staring judging
Tina look into a MAT program, with the knowledge of how effective it is you can help yourself get into recovery. Heroin addiction is very difficult, I know, since 2009 I've been fighting. But I'm on MAT now and sober. It is possible
I offered my exgirlfriend all the help and support that I could possibly give to her
AND SHE CHOSE TO CONTINUE USING HEROIN AND TO WALK AWAY FROM ME FOREVER WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A SECOND THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING HER DECISION ! 😔 I PRAY FOR HER EVERYDAY 🙏🙏🙏
So why not try and get the help yourself then. Don't sit around waiting the miracle, make it happen.
The fact that I had to deal with my addiction myself here where I live is troubling because the treatment centers here are so expensive and only some lucky people could attend to. In the end I did it and have been clean for more than 5 years, but it would have been so much easier if I had what they are offering to her. After the addiction comes the reality check where you have to deal with real life and be an asset to society which isnt that easy when you have lost so many years of your life in drugs instead of building up your life. So if you get the chance please say yes. The addiction is the crave but what is causing you to be an addict is the key to salvation. It goes so much deeper than to just get clean and that is why many relapse over and over again
Heroin is very hard to kick permanently. It can be done but more don’t recover than do. Part because, without long term treatment and recovery, an addict just returns to the old life. Have had many friends die of addiction. I am truly blessed to be clean and free for 3 years. Don’t hate the girl. Hate the disease that makes her ignore her baby and it’s health
A disease is a pathogen, an invading, living organism intended to multiply within your cellular structure. Heroin addiction is not a disease. Heroin when injected, the brain likes the simulation and releases endorphins. Quit calling it a disease.
A disease may be caused by external factors such as pathogens or by internal dysfunctions. source: wikipedia
Autoimmune disease and mental health disorders fall into the internal dysfunction category. Addiction changes brain chemistry dramatically. An addict biologically craves drugs as if it is vital to life.
There's an old saying Scott,don't hate the player,hate the game.
I don't think threating a pregnant drug dependent woman of calling the police to take her unborn child in front of a live audience qualifies as "giving her a chance". Withdrawals could mean death for the baby and shaming addicts only makes it worse!
Yes I worked at a drug treatment clinic and they never want to take a pregnant woman off of drugs. It is almost positive that she would miscarry if they do. We were always trying to educate the courts, police and doctors about this.
Heroin addiction is one of the hardest addictions ever. It takes over your mind body and spirit. I lost my little brother from this just a year he was addicted. It destroyed him inside and out. I didnt even recognize him as a person. Drugs steal your soul. I know its easy to hate/judge/laugh at addicts because alot of they steal lie etc but they really need prayers and help.
Did they JUST turn on the comments CAUSE this video literally at 9.9M views and has like 6 comments
Yeah on other clips as well
It’s coming up to 25 years since my uncle died from a heroin overdose and I wish someone would have given him a chance like this.
I'm truly sorry for your loss 🙏💚
Thank you, that’s very kind x
Hi
Good for her if she says yes and recovers. 💞💞 That sweet baby deserves the chance!!! 💝💝
I’d like to know what happened to this girl and her baby.
greenblood64 According to an 'update' comment posted a few hours ago, Kaitlin went into treatment but left after 15 days. The baby was born addicted and has been adopted through the foster care system.
@@morganjanelle4282 wow
@@morganjanelle4282 glad the child is no longer with the mom. I can only hope that the baby is in better hands.
@@morganjanelle4282 , best thing for the baby. Thank god she was adopted.
@@morganjanelle4282 why didn’t grandma take the baby?
Her only chance is to go on Methadone. It’s very possible that the withdrawals can kill the baby. As long as she’s under a GOOD doctor’s care, the baby can be born heathy, not addicted to anything. I am on Methadone myself and only recommend it for the worst cases… My cousin who was addicted to heroin and crack was still doing both when she found out she was pregnant. She was doing so much dope that I couldn’t fathom how she paid for it… So we did an intervention, and I had her setup for an appointment with my clinic that day. Thankfully she said yes, stayed on a low dose, and gave birth to a beautiful baby girl… Unfortunately she just quit going to the clinic thinking she was fine, but didn’t wean herself off so she went back on heroin and died. I just lost a friend this week to an OD which makes 10 of my closest friends to die from overdosing… Makes me feel guilty and sometimes I wish I could trade places with them, especially my cousin.
This is a disaster of an intervention. Dr Phil is to therapy as the noise of a volcanic eruption is to a stealthy assassin.
She's not committed to being clean, she doesn't care
@@wilted_rose510 Some drugs are recreational, others aren't.
She doesn't have the strength. Someone else has to be her strength...... most addicts won't change because they just can't
@@imonthewinningside8281 you are a wise and compassionate soul. Thank you for your comment.
@@imonthewinningside8281 I
You clearly have no idea how addiction works
The way she's talking she sounds like she really does care what happens
She grunt the whole time Phil was talking to her - she heard him and she said yes. Amen!
Dr. Phil is literally 49% douchebag and 51% great, brilliant man.
Well at least 51 is more than 49
He isnt that brilliant at all.. He literally points out the obvious and everyone acts like he is the most genious person ever. Anyone that thinks he is brilliant is just ignorant
DR PHIL LETS US SPEAK YESSIRRRR.
finallyyy
Honestly I feel bad for her, I am sure she is feeling judged by all those people including her family and is just fighting back. God knows what heroin does to your brain, hope she gets well
One thing I hate is when you don't do what the people say then they threatening you. Calling the cops or CPD or whatever but before they wasn't giving a damn.
I'd love to know how this woman did, and how the baby is!
She does not have custody of her baby. The baby is in foster care... mom is on the streets.
She was kicked out of the rehab program and then relapsed.
@@caitlinwright7313 how sad
@@caitlinwright7313 foster care! Why not with family 😥
@@vallineks5159 family didn’t want to care for her kids anymore
I wonder how she is today ?? I hope all worked out for her and her baby and I hope is drug free,clean and sober. All the Best to her.
App she got kicked out of re hab. Is on the street an baby in Foster care
If i was her Mom?? I would get emergency custody of that baby until she's 100% clean and stays clean for at least a year. I definitely wouldn't allow her to live outside the home with the baby.
You have no idea what you're talking about! I didn't watch the entire show however the girl looks of age that her mother can't be telling her what to do and the baby will be addicted to drugs so you just can't take a baby away and raise it. The baby needs medical supervision and treatment just like the mother does. Like dr. Phil says this is above your paygrade.
@@baublesanddolls if the baby is in danger she should!!! Either her mom on the state!! Just let a drug addict take care or a baby. Yea OK 🙄. I truly hope she gets clean.
I use to babysit a newborn who was addicted to heroine because its mother was an addict while she was pregnant. It was sad... The baby jerked uncontrollably due to it being in her while she did the heroine... It cried alot... But if you held the baby and whistled lightly she would stop crying... Today I am a good whistler... lol... But addict or not, its sad that a woman could be so selfish she doesn't care about the life inside her... She would rather risk that babys life, in more than one way, just to get a fix... Its just sad...
That poor baby she's hurting without a care. Hope all eventually went well.
Doesn't mean she doesn't care. Too easy to judge , but its FAR more complicated than just "she's using while pregnant so she doesn't care".
She could easily take methadone while pregnant.
@@fukwhaturgoingthru yes hopefully that's what she did was went and got on a MAT med. But so many people don't realize that when women wind up pregnant while addicted they can't "just quit". And that it actually is far more harmful to try to stop suddenly. They need to get on methadone or sub but also they literally need to continue using until they get on that medication or else the baby can die.
@@caseylynn5976 I take Subutex. But I always see pregnant women at the methadone clinic.
@@fukwhaturgoingthru yes, luckily methadone subutex and suboxone are all approved and safe now for use in pregnancy. But the reason you probably see the majority on methadone is because there's no wait time to start taking it unlike suboxone/subutex, and they are probably at a stage in their pregnancy or for other reasons their Dr advised it safer, that they don't go through the 24 hour or so withdrawal period necessary before starting sub. So they go with methadone instead.
Dr phil is a no nonsense. Go Dr phil
This was me 7 years ago..ive been clean 7 years from heroin and have a beautiful husband and beautiful children and im expecting a 3rd!
Congrats on getting/staying clean! And you have 3 of the best reasons ever to keep you clean, which helps so much
This is from 3 years ago, and everyone else is saying she went to rehab for 15 days then left. Baby was born drug addicted and adopted through the foster care system.
It's people like you who can give HOPE to others. So glad your life got on the mend. All the best 👍 from South Australia
@@irenemarlor4583 THANKYOU!!!!!!💗🙏
The AMAZING thing is, Dr Phil is paying for her help. He may sound arrogant or unfeeling, but he's just adamant. He cares and does what's right, but he won't be jerked around because many others WILL accept his help. God bless Dr Phil
We all came here right in time for the comments lol. Any updates on her?
Kristen Heckelmann According to an 'update' comment posted a few hours ago, Kaitlin went into treatment but left after 15 days. The baby was born addicted and has been adopted through the foster care system.
Morgan Janelle terrible 😞
@@morganjanelle4282 damm
Poor baby😔
@@Kmh-qc8qy omg that's terrible poor baby
So glad she agreed to treatment. Even if reluctant she took the first step.
People need to respect that 'people' do not always react or respond in a way that you understand; give them a chance for goodness sake. Making any decision in life is bloody tough for crying out loud! Making this choice... takes guts... making a choice of this magnitude is saying that you, yourself have failed and cannot help yourself any longer! I am in bloody tears typing this because I am like this... not drugs or anything like that... but I have my issues too!
I hope she made it!!!
Alot of people r usually hesitate 2 go 2 rehab but they r usually really happy they did!
For everyone wondering she went to rehab but left after 15 days was sober for 3 months got back on heroine and her baby tested positive for cocaine , heroine , and marijuana The day after the baby was born she was taken into foster care and She hasn’t seen the baby since because she is still using
Your the mvp! Sorry to hear that. A beautiful baby growing up in foster care. Im wondering how come they didn't do it choose to give the baby to family first.
@@shivonneharris5109 thanks! And because her mom said she was already taking care of her other 2 kids and she said she wasn’t going to take care of another one :/ really sad story
@@michisuarez9025 wow nice grandma
@@statenisland5743 sometimes they just don't have the capacity to keep taking on their kids mistakes.
I know of one lady who took TEN of her daughters FOURTEEN CHILDREN (to the kids detriment). How many should she have taken? She's in her 70's for crying out loud.
I'm in recovery, getting clean and working the program is a full time job and requires dedication. You have to want it for yourself. She was nodding while Dr. Phil was talking to her. Praying for her recovery and her baby.
Wishing you a good recovery you can do this!! It’s very hard but it’s great that you are taking the steps and putting in the work to get better for yourself
One thing you need to understand and a heroin addict: they are used to numbing themselves through the drug and not feeling anything. Whenever any feelings come their way while they are sober they are amplified to an extreme. Same way that light seems brighter when you first open your eyes in the morning.
Thank you for your intellectual contribution.
There are no demands. You do what they tell you to do when they tell you to do it.
The most important thing is, what did Dr. Phil's wife think about this? Lol.
I wouldn't go to any facility that dr. Phil recommends!
She said that's what's up. That's fine & everyone's freaking out because she didn't say the word yes. Choose your battles yall. Geez.
Yea. They just have to be happy she even accepted it. She accepts it and still gets heckled for..she could have just changed her mind after that because once your hooked it won't take much for you to say 'no I won't go to treatment" and if you say yes and still get b***hed at for it by your family it will make you feel like they aren't grateful and if they're still going to yell at you then it just make you think "might as well go back and get high" you know?. They was making it worse on television.
I'm just glad to see she accepted it. I hope she's doing ok and her baby. I know what it's like and I've known people who was in the same spot and being pregnant so I hope she's alright
The fact that she said yes at all is a step in the right direction. That means she does deep down wanna get help. She wasn’t past the point of no return.
Same way with alcoholics. No I really mean it this time, yeah I know I've said it before, but you'll see. Then finds a hidden bottle.
Good on her, the start to a whole new chapter in life!
Using heroin is pretty nasty. Feel sorry for the unborn
It's called checking yourself in to a rehab center! If you want help you can get it. Prayers that y'all are doing good!
@@angelaplaster1371 when pregnant and addicted its more complicated than that. She needs medication assisted treatment so she doesn't miscarry. Or at this point worse, have a stillborn.
I'm a heroin addict and would love this kind of help.
I wonder how she is doing today.
She already said yes! Why are they still lecturing her and what more can she do in that moment. They should be pushing her up for making this difficult decision!
Help needs to be forced on junkies they cant help themselves
You realize you can't force someone to get help, right? That's pointless... The only way someone will get help is if they want it
@@washburn11000 they all want help but are too scared to admit it
That doesn't work man. What are you suggesting- tie them to a chair and lock them in a room? Outdated methods like that are ancient for a reason. Cause they don't work. Try it and you'd best believe many addicts will cut off their own hand to break free and get their drugs just to avoid withdrawal. That's how powerful heroin withdrawal and addiction is. Extreme example but you get my point and its not far fetched at ALL. Many would also commit suicide, and many people have, when forced to detox in jail. And in the end even if they can't break out of wherever you try to force them to stay and get clean at, and if they don't take their life, 90% will relapse once they are free again. And due to lowered tolerance many overdose and die this way. Forcing it doesn't work.
Also using language like "junkies" just adds to the stigmatization of addiction, and the stigma kills.
@@caseylynn5976 No they haven`t been used in a way that would work yet , but they could .what other way is there . none . its a hopeless situation
Dr. Phil was 100% spot on!
Heroin addict...and she's pregnant...good grief.
Any update on her and for child ?
Hope she is ok, hope the child was born healthy and sound !
she doesn't sound optimistic but I hope she gets the help she needs
Because she knows what the withdrawals will be like
Indigothe Knight According to an 'update' comment posted a few hours ago, Kaitlin went into treatment but left after 15 days. The baby was born addicted and has been adopted through the foster care system.
@@morganjanelle4282 oh geez
@@indigo2322 I know 😢 and another comment I just saw, said that the baby was born addicted to heroine, cocaine, and marijuana.
Poor little thing. She acted like a little child at the end. It is so sad to have an addiction.
She’s abusing the baby and it’s not even born yet. She don’t deserve any sympathy, that baby would have came out looking for drugs
I agree completely. My wife is a midwife and she tells me about the drug addicts that are pregnant and still using and it disgusts me.
Bless that baby, let them grow up to be proud of their mother for beating addiction and finding, sticking to, and helping others on a better way.
No LOVE for the baby....😥😥
She left treatment after a few weeks.
How you know that?
When you're an addict the only thing on your mind is how and when you're getting your next fix. Period. Nothing else matters.
She said yes! Now stop asking and take her away! Get her healthy ASAP
A comment said she left the rehab after 15 days and the child was born drug-addicted.
Sometimes people are beyond helping. I just feel sorry for the baby.
You can tell she's a pretty girl. Hope she's doing well now
Wtf does being pretty have to do with it.
@@jademanuella3986 was I talking to you? Mind your business.
@@MattGatts you were talking to the world bud
My causin used to be a heroin addict and she was so lost in life. At one point she was living in Idiana out of her car. She got sober and now she has clean for quite a while now. She has a boyfriend who has a sweet son, a cute pitbull named lilac and makes amazing drawings. Mainly mermaids, trees, plants, flowers and animals. It can be done you can get clean you just need to do your part.
The very best way to not become drug addicted is to not start taking drugs. Seems pretty simple huh
Listen to the audience, woman!!!!!
I can't stand the sound of her gravel throat. You can tell how messed up she is. I really hope she got the help & the baby is healthy & safe.
UPDATE??????
Dr Phil is the goat
damn doctor Phil has a weirdly shaped head.
I wish my daughter could have this kind of opportunity.
Why are the comments turned on for this episode ?
Good for you, your stronger than you feel right now😊
This woman is legit trash. She stayed at that rehab for only 15 days and left. She was sober for 3 months gave birth to the baby who was addicted to drugs and now she’s back using heroin again and homeless. Her family has finally given up on her. This woman doesn’t wanna get clean. Let her do whatever she wants there are actual addicts out there like myself who hit rock bottom and had enough and turned their lives around. She had some of the best help and through it away. Sad.
Poor girl sounds high right now. I hope that baby will be ok 🙏🏼
He forced her into this...she’s extremely high. Her attitude is infuriating but he pretty much just said, “if you don’t take my help...” then followed through with a threat. She doesn’t deserve the help because she doesn’t want to be there
I feel like dr phil usually is a little harsh on addicts in the way he speaks to them. This poor woman is addicted to heroin. Her reactions, her apprehension, it is all normal for someone who is an addict. Addiction is a physical and mental illness, not a choice or something that most people cannot just wake up and say no to. This woman needs more sympathy, more therapy, more encouragement, and less shame on ntl television...
Anyone know if she took the deal and got clean?
Mogmii Kaitlyn went to rehab, but left after 15 days. She was sober for 3 months, but got back on heroine and her baby tested positive for cocaine, heroine, and marijuana. The day after the baby was born, the baby was taken into foster care and Kaitlyn hasn’t seen the baby since, because she is still using
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@@morganjanelle4282 Thanks for the info! Thats so sad, but in this case I just hope the baby is healthy and will be given the chance to grow up as a normal kid in safe circumstances.
God bless Dr. Phil for this good work.
The baby will be saved.
She’s a beautiful lady imagine how much better she would look when she’s cleaned up?
she is very pretty
-_- LOL
If this is who I think it is I believe she was a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader
PHILL IS THE BEST
they dont understand: “That’s wussup.” means YES you ignoramuses!
She should’ve just said yes lmao
Yes...everyone else are "ignoramuses" for not understanding... And not the pregnant heroin addict saying "Thas wassup"....
@@Renvaar1989 he was joking foo
Dr Phil you are a great perso and and a great job and so is your wife sad cases put you sre tough and thats cald tuff love great job helping all thede people God Bless