I too was a pacifist... Until i found out that purging alien scum from the galaxy massively increase my late game fps. Can't make a smooth endgame without cracking a few capitals as they say.
Lol the novice fear of attacking other big empires. I feel that for sure. I mostly avoid wars because i hate that 20 years into a war i didnt defend my wormhole and gateway systems enough and now the enemy is in my empire and its gonna take 3 years to get there with my ships
Same here. This challenge is just the pacifist ethic?? I don't even find fanatic pacifist much more of a challenge than playing with other ethics. (It disallows liberation wars as well.)
This is exactly why I don't like forming defensive pacts, especially in the early game; getting dragged into wars I'm in no position to fight and then having my fate tied into the war decisions of an AI empire.
Better yet, my allies "love" to start wars with fallen empires, which we for some unrealistic reason can't exit.... yes I'm ready to start a "defensive war" against anybody.... but it would be hard with two 40k fleets to beat a fallen empire with 1,2 million fleet.... and "my ally" usually has half strength of my own.... which is "just great" ....also I can't stop the war with the fallen empire.... In a real scenario I would say to them.... "If you feel so suicidal go on... I'm out of this crazy war.... and on top of that never ask me to be your ally ever again...!!!" Also I "love" when I'm in a federation to never be able to start a war.... but sometimes one of my federation allys is able to start war with a fallen empire.... there should be a federation policy "never piss off a fallen empire".... Even in late game where we can beat a fallen empire in most cases it's just not worth it. Also they tend to start it when I'm occupied with something else... and I don't want all my fleets to go to one point and literally make my empire defenseless, because all my fleets has to concentrate in one point.
This was basically a France game! You were called into a war against a military power based on a defensive pact, lost the war, your empire and your home planet, but your colonies remain. My suggestion would be to embrace your inner de Gaulle, use console commands to shift to another human empire, then roleplay your way back to liberating sol together with your Free Human forces and your surviving allies. Personally I'd love to see it.
Montu: "No one would willingly sign their life away" Every military recruiter in the U.S. just started laughing uncontrollable. They have yet to figure out the cause.
Ah yes, liberation Wars, my favourite kind of non-aggressive war, right after Total war, which of course is purely defensive, as I do not know how many guns my neighbours might be aiming at me
I'm gonna recommend Out of the Dark (by David Weber) as good book for anyone interested in the Payback Origin story-wise. It's about humanity defeating technologically superior invaders (and not just relying on bacteria to do it for them....). Has a slightly ridiculous premise in it which is then explained far better in the sequel.
@Rampage Sun With Weber (haven't read any Ringo) it's the military analysis stuff I really enjoy (muzzle velocities and how they relate to forces delivered at certain ranges etc). I've read Out of the Dark + sequel and all the Safehold stuff; I'll get round to Honor Harrington at some point.
@@rampagesun1465 Live Free or Die is apparently the first in that series, and I've added it to my list. Sadly, it is a very long list, and for every book I read from it, 2 more go on....
5:00 I mean you could tried writing something. "Having first hand witness the cruelty of a people who haughtily thought they were mightier than the people they sought to conquer; no human would dare subject anyone to such a fate. War if they must, but never to lord over a people as they once were."
Here's a nice one for you: Try finishing a game as a Fanatic Xenophile/Egalitarian with Xenocompatibility on, large galaxy size, all sliders at maximum. Ps: By the way, just noticed while firing up a new game that the very last slider should actually be at the minimum for the purposes of this challenge.
So the challenge is beat the game before everything becomes an impossible slide show? Or I suppose at least play as genocidal as possible to prevent it.
@@DemonKing19951 The fanatic xenophile is there as a way to try and prevent that. The more hardcore mode would be to not shift ethics for the entire game. Now that I think about it, pacifist instead of egalitarian would be better there, even if you could still go into liberation wars, that would put a bigger screw on trying to restore FPS to the galaxy.
@@marcosmauricio7805 You would still have access to doing damage through bombardment, but after the 3.8 update they'd surrender too quickly with the limitations all that implies.
Solution - go psionic as second ascention perk, try to roll divine sovereign to remove all your ethics, finish the psionics tree and pick become the crisis as 3 ascention perk
@@lucjanl1262 I feel like both of those options defeat the point of the challenge run. Kind of the point is you're supposed to work through the fact you can't easily murder anyone you want.
I pretty much always play authoritarian goverment types. Recently did a Broken Shackles run as egalitarian xenophile and in order to form my spiritual federation and survive the early game I had to team up with a crime syndicate.
The fact that the leader of the war can simply decide your own terms of surrender without any of your own imput is simply bullshit. I mean, in any real situation, a nation could simply go "No, we don't recognise this peace treaty, get lost" and continue fighting. The Japanese didn't surrender at the end of WW2 simply because Germany fell and declared surrender.
I'm Swiss German and we are very much not communist, I would say we are more like middle Americans, in that we are very patriotic, love guns, love our freedom and hate the idea of big government. People are always surprised when they come here, how conservative Swiss people are. A space Switzerland would be very isolationist and self sufficient, would have a very large defensive army, the government would be fragmented like a confederacy, it would have a military culture where all the men are soldiers. And they would invade any Italians nearby XD
I USUALLY tend to not launch offensive wars in my games. It's due to my approach to this game, political aspect interests me more than wars. But usually it ends up like 3 wars inside my federation, one of them is because one of my allies pisses off fallen empire.
You must replay in one more time. It would be better if you play as a imperial pacifist who are having wars by other hands. Something like subsidizing your vassals
Try it alone, or with vassals instead of allies. Space Rome instead of Space Switzerland. Stellaris current war system is terrible, regarding compulsory participation in allies' wars and the impossibility to negociate peace separately.
If I had a dollar for every time a fallen empire declared war on some vassal of one of my federation's member halfway across the galaxy and I was unable to make peace for the next 100 year or so, I'd have about 3 dollars or so. Which isn't much but it's extremely fucking annoying.
So its possible to get COM and the broken shackles empire appear in the same game if you play with an Earth start? And this is with the COM faction having the lost colony origin too? I want to know. That was a cool setup man.
This is just how I play. When I had a hive mind and a machine intelligence box me in, I thought "oh well, guess I'm going tall." Then I built up enough influence to hop over the machines and do the solarpunk questline for a gaia world. When Minamar attacked, they took decades just to make their way through my allies, and only took a few systems before I status quo'd out. And since they didn't have claims on any of my systems, it was a white peace. Nearly half a century of war for no change. Except that the allies who'd each once offered to vassalize me before settling in on defensive pacts, now instead offered to become my vassals. A while later, and tons of research from the MSI Flagship Habitat, and I notice that my machine vassal is conquering a nearby tiny megacorp, removing their branches from my worlds. I check and... "Slavery type: Grid Amalgamation" Slavery. In MY vassal?! NOPE. Integrated. The machine pops get disassembled, but yeah I threw the trolley switch to run over one machine sapience to save zillions from energy drain slavery. The Broken Shackles empire actually ended up as an authoritarian megacorp somehow, and hated me for about a century because I tried hacking them in first contact. We're Federation buddies now but they've got Existential Expulsion casus belli on me, so I know exactly what that means... In the meantime MSI got wrecked by a machine uprising and the Great Khan at the same time, so I took the opportunity to Secret Fealty-steal two of their vassals away. Currently building an Interstellar Assembly so I can pass the right senate acts and thwart MSI without (further) violence.
I haven't laid a single claim on another empire's system, even in a defensive war. The only claims I conquered were for one of the vassals I was liberating.
outside of conquering a few systems to complete chokepoints this is just a normal playthrough to me, i don't get it why would i invade other people and be forced to manually manage planets and integrate new planets when i can just get what i want from tithe or ignore their existence
Disappointing. When you proposed a Pacifist run, I was hoping to see if an *actual* Pacifist run, with the research station option and the diplomatic war would be possible. Pretty clear that, unless the scenario is programmed to run differently if you choose words, not war, that peaceniks are doomed to perpetual servitude to MSI. ='[.]'=
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He calls it a Challenge. I call it an everyday playthrough lol i allways play more of a passive agressive Empire in 4x games. barely ever do wars myself.
Passive aggressive? Do you mutter sarcastically at your neighbors that you're fine with how that they grabbed that territory all for themselves, you totally weren't interested in it yourself?
@@LoneWolf343 and then become their vassal but modify the contract every time so that they pay you more and more for less and less contribution from you.
That was thoroughly enjoyable. I love a good rp game. How about one where you are a cloaking obsessed Romulan type empire? Or a cloaking obsessed criminal mega corp?
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Shared burdens is not communism
The most unrealistic part in this is humanity uniting AND not wanting to get payback.
Wanting payback would probably be the most uniting factor.
Hell, wanting to get payback against Japan is what got America out of the great depression.
Not launching offensive wars? This is like my first playtrough
This is like my every playthrough because i'm a pacifist at heart.
I too was a pacifist... Until i found out that purging alien scum from the galaxy massively increase my late game fps. Can't make a smooth endgame without cracking a few capitals as they say.
@@zealgaming8161Yeah. I don't run Fanatic Purifiers because I hate xenos, but simply because I hate lag.
Lol the novice fear of attacking other big empires. I feel that for sure. I mostly avoid wars because i hate that 20 years into a war i didnt defend my wormhole and gateway systems enough and now the enemy is in my empire and its gonna take 3 years to get there with my ships
@@marcosmauricio7805 the reminds me of the time I let the Gray Tempest eat half the galaxy. Late game it was running like year 2200 😂.
Me, who never makes war because it makes me sad: "This is a challenge?"
SAME 🤣
Same here. This challenge is just the pacifist ethic?? I don't even find fanatic pacifist much more of a challenge than playing with other ethics. (It disallows liberation wars as well.)
I rarely instigate a war because I enjoy building my economy too much
Same tho
Well, in this case its a challenge because of the origin force us to have an arch enemy
This is exactly why I don't like forming defensive pacts, especially in the early game; getting dragged into wars I'm in no position to fight and then having my fate tied into the war decisions of an AI empire.
Better yet, my allies "love" to start wars with fallen empires, which we for some unrealistic reason can't exit.... yes I'm ready to start a "defensive war" against anybody.... but it would be hard with two 40k fleets to beat a fallen empire with 1,2 million fleet.... and "my ally" usually has half strength of my own.... which is "just great" ....also I can't stop the war with the fallen empire.... In a real scenario I would say to them.... "If you feel so suicidal go on... I'm out of this crazy war.... and on top of that never ask me to be your ally ever again...!!!"
Also I "love" when I'm in a federation to never be able to start a war.... but sometimes one of my federation allys is able to start war with a fallen empire.... there should be a federation policy "never piss off a fallen empire".... Even in late game where we can beat a fallen empire in most cases it's just not worth it. Also they tend to start it when I'm occupied with something else... and I don't want all my fleets to go to one point and literally make my empire defenseless, because all my fleets has to concentrate in one point.
on grand admiral it can save your skin, early authoritarian neighbors are vile beasts
This was basically a France game! You were called into a war against a military power based on a defensive pact, lost the war, your empire and your home planet, but your colonies remain.
My suggestion would be to embrace your inner de Gaulle, use console commands to shift to another human empire, then roleplay your way back to liberating sol together with your Free Human forces and your surviving allies. Personally I'd love to see it.
Montu: "No one would willingly sign their life away"
Every military recruiter in the U.S. just started laughing uncontrollable. They have yet to figure out the cause.
Money
I like how you say that some people are calling for agressive first contact policy, others passive, yet you cannot press either one of these buttons
Ah yes, liberation Wars, my favourite kind of non-aggressive war, right after Total war, which of course is purely defensive, as I do not know how many guns my neighbours might be aiming at me
I'm gonna recommend Out of the Dark (by David Weber) as good book for anyone interested in the Payback Origin story-wise. It's about humanity defeating technologically superior invaders (and not just relying on bacteria to do it for them....). Has a slightly ridiculous premise in it which is then explained far better in the sequel.
Ah yes, the best twist in all of science fiction.
Weber and Ringo are great for Payback themes.
@Rampage Sun With Weber (haven't read any Ringo) it's the military analysis stuff I really enjoy (muzzle velocities and how they relate to forces delivered at certain ranges etc). I've read Out of the Dark + sequel and all the Safehold stuff; I'll get round to Honor Harrington at some point.
@@IainG10 start with John Ringo's "The Hot Gate"
@@rampagesun1465 Live Free or Die is apparently the first in that series, and I've added it to my list. Sadly, it is a very long list, and for every book I read from it, 2 more go on....
5:00 I mean you could tried writing something.
"Having first hand witness the cruelty of a people who haughtily thought they were mightier than the people they sought to conquer; no human would dare subject anyone to such a fate. War if they must, but never to lord over a people as they once were."
Not even Fanatic Pacifist. SHAMEFUL.
25:00 Winston Churchill would be proud.
Wait till the end xD
My favorite challange is preserving as much space from being colonized as possible, like having Consecrated Systems instead of Worlds.
...half way thru, you selected nearly every offensive option you got your hands on...
Here's a nice one for you:
Try finishing a game as a Fanatic Xenophile/Egalitarian with Xenocompatibility on, large galaxy size, all sliders at maximum.
Ps: By the way, just noticed while firing up a new game that the very last slider should actually be at the minimum for the purposes of this challenge.
So the challenge is beat the game before everything becomes an impossible slide show? Or I suppose at least play as genocidal as possible to prevent it.
@@DemonKing19951 The fanatic xenophile is there as a way to try and prevent that. The more hardcore mode would be to not shift ethics for the entire game. Now that I think about it, pacifist instead of egalitarian would be better there, even if you could still go into liberation wars, that would put a bigger screw on trying to restore FPS to the galaxy.
@@marcosmauricio7805 You would still have access to doing damage through bombardment, but after the 3.8 update they'd surrender too quickly with the limitations all that implies.
Solution - go psionic as second ascention perk, try to roll divine sovereign to remove all your ethics, finish the psionics tree and pick become the crisis as 3 ascention perk
@@lucjanl1262 I feel like both of those options defeat the point of the challenge run. Kind of the point is you're supposed to work through the fact you can't easily murder anyone you want.
Really love the Rp focused challenges, I’m looking forward to more.
I pretty much always play authoritarian goverment types. Recently did a Broken Shackles run as egalitarian xenophile and in order to form my spiritual federation and survive the early game I had to team up with a crime syndicate.
to people who ask why this is a challenge, you don't know the agony because you clearly haven't committed genocide on a galactic scale
24:47 You went full Churchill bro, nice speech
A brilliant narration, if ever I've heard one!
Looking at these leaders compared to galactic paragons leaders makes me laugh.
Smash Announcer: **NO __CON__TEST!!!**
It bugs me that the Commonwealth of Man always thinks you're the United Nations.
I'm not a huge Stellaris fan, I play it once in a while, but I love watching your challenges just for your storytelling :)
The fact that the leader of the war can simply decide your own terms of surrender without any of your own imput is simply bullshit. I mean, in any real situation, a nation could simply go "No, we don't recognise this peace treaty, get lost" and continue fighting. The Japanese didn't surrender at the end of WW2 simply because Germany fell and declared surrender.
Personally, Xenophobic Isolationists is my relatable empire type
Why not a megacorp? Megacorp liberation wars turn into pure profit.
And lets be honest - MSI is a threat to free trade.
This as a really fun one to watch, would like to watch another that they survive
24:55 Nice Churchill refrence there
the real hero of all this, Ibrahim
Long live Humanity!
I'm Swiss German and we are very much not communist, I would say we are more like middle Americans, in that we are very patriotic, love guns, love our freedom and hate the idea of big government. People are always surprised when they come here, how conservative Swiss people are. A space Switzerland would be very isolationist and self sufficient, would have a very large defensive army, the government would be fragmented like a confederacy, it would have a military culture where all the men are soldiers. And they would invade any Italians nearby XD
i mostly never do wars, now that we have the empire size mechanic fanatic pascifist became my favourite
This looks like an utopia to me
I'm a little hype for the new Crusader State civic for this
I USUALLY tend to not launch offensive wars in my games. It's due to my approach to this game, political aspect interests me more than wars. But usually it ends up like 3 wars inside my federation, one of them is because one of my allies pisses off fallen empire.
"Australia" Class Colony ship .. you think the Devs meme'd that combination of ship class and name in? 😅🤔
The Churchill speech goes CRAZY though
Ah yes, the obligatory Jeff appearance.
Going from a devastating war to something that could be considered pacifist in a way actually happened after WW1. So it's not too unrealistic, imo
Restart. Reveal map. Force spawn colossi over MSI worlds. Destroy. Destroy. Destroy.
You must replay in one more time. It would be better if you play as a imperial pacifist who are having wars by other hands. Something like subsidizing your vassals
Try it alone, or with vassals instead of allies. Space Rome instead of Space Switzerland.
Stellaris current war system is terrible, regarding compulsory participation in allies' wars and the impossibility to negociate peace separately.
If I had a dollar for every time a fallen empire declared war on some vassal of one of my federation's member halfway across the galaxy and I was unable to make peace for the next 100 year or so, I'd have about 3 dollars or so. Which isn't much but it's extremely fucking annoying.
I feel like minimar should be a fallen empire.
i mean... if you can vassalize what is the problem of not declaring war first? :O ...
shout out to my boy ibrahim khadem. all my homies [discover] the scientific method.
I would love to see you continue as the human star alliance owo
Now that is an idea... What would the challenge be? 'Liberate Earth & Defeat MSI challenge'?
@@MontuPlays sounds great. or because its an empire not to liberate but to conquer it back from the hands of msi
Not me this being how I play most of my games 💀
More videos like this please!
So its possible to get COM and the broken shackles empire appear in the same game if you play with an Earth start? And this is with the COM faction having the lost colony origin too? I want to know. That was a cool setup man.
I think it's actually guaranteed to spawn a broken shackles empire with your species as the main one if you are payback
My uplifted Vassal from the start of one run I did had this challenge, was because it was one system and no contact with the rest of the galaxy.😅
This is just how I play. When I had a hive mind and a machine intelligence box me in, I thought "oh well, guess I'm going tall." Then I built up enough influence to hop over the machines and do the solarpunk questline for a gaia world. When Minamar attacked, they took decades just to make their way through my allies, and only took a few systems before I status quo'd out. And since they didn't have claims on any of my systems, it was a white peace. Nearly half a century of war for no change. Except that the allies who'd each once offered to vassalize me before settling in on defensive pacts, now instead offered to become my vassals. A while later, and tons of research from the MSI Flagship Habitat, and I notice that my machine vassal is conquering a nearby tiny megacorp, removing their branches from my worlds. I check and... "Slavery type: Grid Amalgamation" Slavery. In MY vassal?! NOPE. Integrated. The machine pops get disassembled, but yeah I threw the trolley switch to run over one machine sapience to save zillions from energy drain slavery. The Broken Shackles empire actually ended up as an authoritarian megacorp somehow, and hated me for about a century because I tried hacking them in first contact. We're Federation buddies now but they've got Existential Expulsion casus belli on me, so I know exactly what that means... In the meantime MSI got wrecked by a machine uprising and the Great Khan at the same time, so I took the opportunity to Secret Fealty-steal two of their vassals away. Currently building an Interstellar Assembly so I can pass the right senate acts and thwart MSI without (further) violence.
I haven't laid a single claim on another empire's system, even in a defensive war. The only claims I conquered were for one of the vassals I was liberating.
I love these long form rp videos!
Clerks are always the way to go
You should have choosed to repay your debt to MSI
But I won the war against MSI ... The second war they were just an ally of the empire fighting my defensive ally
@@MontuPlays BAD SUBJECTS DON'T REPAY THEIR DEBTS BRRRR
Love your playthroughs
Lots of laffs in this one. Thanks Montu~
Hmm, in my games I buff the AI so much that I pretty much can't war them until late game anyway.
So no oppressive vasalage of MSI?
No cracking homeworld when tbey rebel?
I wonder what happens if you set the aggression to high...
Amazing man, well done.
If you made a custom race, how did the commonwealth get that text? Isn't that unique to the default UEG? Or does it just go off the name?
If you select your planet type as starting on earth I believe.
Montu the pacifist warmonger
When I play as a mega Corp I tend to not declare war on anyone
Even on on other megacorps? Impose ideology on them.
32:30 onwards Montu past bedtime
insert yet another "this is a challenge? I main pacifist empires smh" comment because that's me too
Soviet Union but it's the "good" ending
I don't even like stellaris but i really enjoyed this video
outside of conquering a few systems to complete chokepoints this is just a normal playthrough to me, i don't get it
why would i invade other people and be forced to manually manage planets and integrate new planets when i can just get what i want from tithe or ignore their existence
I'm surprised you lost and I don't know why the surrender mechanics still work that way. There should be an option to fight on
Great video. Thank you.
Not sure what's wrong with fighting facism, didn't take Montu for a Nazi
Glory unto Mankind!
When can you show off new dlc?
Monday 6pm EU time
I assume this playthrough is the sequel to X-Com
Your presiding speaker appears to be plagiarizing Churchill a lot😂😂😂
No conquest is a challenge?
..but that's how I usually play.. :(
I also hate microstar international
Disappointing. When you proposed a Pacifist run, I was hoping to see if an *actual* Pacifist run, with the research station option and the diplomatic war would be possible. Pretty clear that, unless the scenario is programmed to run differently if you choose words, not war, that peaceniks are doomed to perpetual servitude to MSI. ='[.]'=
More.
Ooh, six minutes after posting
I don’t know why TH-camrs put sponsored content in their videos… maybe they’re somehow not aware of this feature called “fast forward”
Because we get paid to do so, and this is my full time job.
About half of viewers dont watch youtube ads either...
I think you'd be surprised how many people actually watch and engage with sponsored integrations
Yeah! Communist way is the best way
Is it just me or does this sound way too much like U.E.D
UED?
Huh
first
Haha communist
I have to throw in that Switzerland did indeed conduct conquest wars.
How about my alternative fact that they didn't conduct conquest wars? xD
I like the fact that nearly half of the war they've fought are offensive
Yeah, we did do that
He calls it a Challenge.
I call it an everyday playthrough lol i allways play more of a passive agressive Empire in 4x games. barely ever do wars myself.
No Xenocide?
killing the xenos is the entire thing behind behind stellaris, the only good alien is a dead alien or bubbles
Suffer not the xenos!
Passive aggressive? Do you mutter sarcastically at your neighbors that you're fine with how that they grabbed that territory all for themselves, you totally weren't interested in it yourself?
@@LoneWolf343 and then become their vassal but modify the contract every time so that they pay you more and more for less and less contribution from you.
*"TRY NOT TO EXTERMINATUS CHALLENGE (IMPOSSIBLE) (NOT CLICKBAIT)"*
The Modified Churchill speech was INSANE !!!!!🎉
The first one...
or the second? ;)
@@MontuPlays the "we shall fight on the beaches" one at the endings...
This is a Challenge?
I thought this was how you were supposed to play.
YESSSS We need more themed playtroughs! multiple 30 minute episodes are perfect!
Uploaded 13 seconds ago. Love it.
reminds me a little of the "all tomorrows" story. how the big baddies ended up paying for their evil, so satisfying
It’s not dystopian it’s post apocalyptic
Отличная работа, товарищ.
I'm a fan of no conquest runs. I still flip AI opponents into allies, but I have WAY LESS ANNOYING TEDIUM with managing the empire mid to late game.
That was thoroughly enjoyable. I love a good rp game. How about one where you are a cloaking obsessed Romulan type empire? Or a cloaking obsessed criminal mega corp?