Stellaris Farming Only Challenge
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Farmers are generally garbage in Stellaris. But can we survive a Farmer only challenge in Stellaris? We will not be using miners or technicians to generate resources in today's Stellaris challenge run, only farmers!
Lets dive in and play some farmville...
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You wanan know the hilarious part? you're still having better alloy and science than an actual Lithoid Hive. For the first 30 year or so.
Lmao
@@MontuPlays i was playing dragon and getting zro from precursor. Eventually I assimilated some ameobas and destroyed the dragon
Just grab Lithoid + Necrophage (Hive) together for the Best Worst economy progression.
Shards and exploded biomatter when the parasite matures?
@@MontuPlaysnow do it as a lithoid
Lithoid Hive is totally a viable build! I’ve gotten 850 research and 150 alloys by 2230, you just got to micro a lot
Small note on the food selling:
You are able to sell 146 food or minerals each month without the price going down.
You can also cheat a little and manually sell 100 food, wait 1 day, this will make the food price rebound and you can sell 100 more. Done perfectly you can sell 3000 food each month without the price dropping.
Stonks
Or you can sell 200 food per month for 200 alloys a month which is more then 10x better by trading directly with AI empries instead of using the crappy market. I can't belive nobody doing trade deals with AIs.
The market is crap only use it if there no AI that's willing to trade what you have (wheter that's becouse you havn't met friendly AI or they just can't sell you enough due to their limit production.
Trade with AI has the extra benefit of lowering their alloy (or whatever you buy from them) supply which weakens them.
@@KeinNiemand
Yes! My economy is often ~1/3 selling food for more than I can get from the market or by producing other stuff myself. *exception for alloys as the AIs often spends all their alloy & auto cancel the trade deal.
I just had a game where I traded 20k food for 10k alloy from a random xeno faction I was happily surprised I guess they must've been starving lol
So is it against the rules to have livestock? It is technically a form of farming and with lithoids you can make minerals that way. Yes you can farm minerals.
That would be an interesting loophole in the rules to exploit.
Well yes, but actually no. I did use the +1 mineral from unemployed drones to get minerals...
So it's probably fair game!
@@MontuPlays so you could do a variation of the 3.1 one planet challenge build?
Problem is that lithoid livestock is downright awful. Even playing with a traits expanded mod that added some 250 more traits to the game, many of them beneficial to livestock builds, I still couldn't make lithoid livestock viable let alone competitive with gamestart miners who can get many more bonuses later on.
@@dangerface300 just stack them higher!
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MA LORD
Every time i hear "Soil of hope" my brain makes me hear "Soylent Hope". Implying that all the food coming from your farmers is hilariously ironic
I mean... we're a plant based species so ...
Family provides for family, even after death.
"But farming... Really? Man of your talents?"
It's a peacful life ...
*galaxy on fire in the background*
Ah Montu taking tips from the superior Stellaris TH-camr it seems ;)
Regunes does make some great videos! Thanks for reminding me 😉
@@MontuPlays 😂
@@MontuPlays D:
Comment aint even pinned (:o
@@Ep3o destroyed
After this playthrough, Montu was so sick of food that he didn't eat for 24 hours.
Can confirm.
This might actually be easier as a Catalytic Machine Empire. You'd get access to Bio-Reactors, which convert food into energy.
Thinking of Assimilators in particular (with a biological sub-species) as they would not need as much energy as most MIs, and they don't struggle as much to get the food boosting techs. And they don't use minerals much.
I'm pretty sure a similar thing exists for hiveys.
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt not similar it’s actually the same for hive’s
They also get bio-reactors
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt Technically, any empire that isn't Biological has access to it. But Lithoid Hive Minds rely heavily on minerals.
Catalytic Machine Assimilators only use Minerals to build, everything else needs either food or energy. As long as you don't have any Lithoid pops anyway.
But Machine Intelligences also have the worst farmers and the best technicians...
Surprised they didn't go this route, actually.
Machine Farmers produce less base food than other empire farmers for some reason so Catalytic while normally not really good is particularly not good on machines, still sounds funny though.
You can also get Bio Reactors if you go lithoids as any type of empire iirc.
"I've got a brand-new combine harvester; I'll give you the key!"
I felt the pain in this video and pain is bread in French, so I guess food is inevitable.
I got twenty acres, and you got forty three!
@@MontuPlays and a mule as livestock
@@goldyloxje the mule isn't the livestock. The mule turns you into livestock
@@Regunes I should not have taken the delicious trait....
Let's just appreciate how Montu faced his greatest nemesis and still became the strongest empire in the known galaxy
Wow, I've never seen anyone condense a 100 years worth of sarcasm into a 30 minute video. Impressive :D
I would have thought that this build would go with Agrarian idyll, Anglers and Catalythic processing on an Ocean world start. This surprises me.
THat would require Montu to want to make this good instead of an excuse to grouse and make comedy from it.
@@pathfindersavant3988 well I'll just add that while it might be more optimal for food and such. You're still painfully limited by food. Kinda an interesting handicap to play around for a game or two (or every day often)
That's generally the way to go for a build with mostly farmers, but not only farmers. Dealing away with consumers good is essential when you can't have any miners.
Thanks! You deserve some money after suffering through all that farming!
Thanks for your support!
@@MontuPlays man, the guy was right, farming brings in money!
Could you do another 2 of these one where its only technicians and one where its only miners, just to show the difference between the power of the 3 jobs.
I was really expecting something to do with Anglers using the trade value to generate your energy. It's not good but like, it technically gives you most of the things you need to play.
The more I think about it, the more I feel like this challenge would be smoother as a megacorporation. You could get all the energy you need from trade and branch office. If you are also Catalytic Recycler and consumer benefit, then you shouldn't have any mineral upkeep, space mining should be enough to help you build. And you can also get some minerals from your branch offices.
"Sir... our scanners report their ships... their ships seem to be made out of food."
My favourite playstyle is Aquatic on Ocean Paradise origin, with Catalytic Processing, Anglers and later Agrarian Idyll civics. I like roleplaying as a green empire (and i also take the genetic evolution ascension path). Also: when i build a ringworld, if i specialize one segment on forging, there are not enough minerals elsewhere to cover the huge cost (i play on very low habitable planet settings, i hate micromanaging too many worlds). But you can farm on another segment, and BAAM, you're covered.
Dude does not know the absolute joy of biting into a fresh and juicy crop you’ve grown yourself.
You can really spam solar panels if you play as gestalt consciousness. The penalty for being over your starbase capacity is a percentage augmentation to their upkeep, but solar panels don't have any upkeep. Plus, they produce 12 base energy instead of 6 with lvl 2 Unchained Knowledge resolution. A good rule of thumb is that if you starbases are costing you half as much as they are earning you, then it's not worth building more of them. As rogue servitor, I generally get to about 60 of them this way. Of course, the down side is if you use starbases for anything else it's gonna be very expensive. You are gonna have to rely on warrior jobs to increase your naval cap and on your mobile force for defense.
I’ve never understood how hiveminds get research by staring at rocks
Communal melding with the universe. (Or just staring at lithoids, yeah)
The drones are sitting in a corner looking at rocks, whilst their nervous systems are running societal interaction modelling, reworking hyperdimensional mathematics, and trying to figure out why the hive node's toaster is broken.
Welcome to the rice fields!!
Can't believe this channel did this challenge, much less did so well so far. I'd be down to see how it'd go.
It’s kinda hilarious that there are so many base mechanics involving farmers, food and increasing their output when you can literally get all your food needs met with a few star bases
Since you are offering, yes i do want to see more of this timeline and your subsequent tears of anguish.
Damn, this is the best FarmersOnly ad I’ve seen to date
Lol, this basically a slightly more restrictive and more aggressive version of my go to build. No mining districts, a minimum number of generator districts, selling food to the market and any other empire that wants it. Focusing almost entirely on pops, food, and unity. It can absolutely work.
as others have pointed out having tasty pops should count, letting you farm some minerals but you can't do that on hivemind
Mmm I feel like you can. I know specifically with necrophage, but overall with hivey, maybe when you can start assimilating? Or maybe just when you aren't full hostile to life. That sounds right actually
Nihilistic acquisition to get lithoids would be excellent to "farm"
Nihilistic acquisition of lithoids to farm? Who said you can't get blood from a stone XD
This gives me an idea for a new civic : Fanatic Recyclers - Turns pop waste into minerals and energy
Farming should be a bigger requirement. I could imagine one empire exporting food to half the galaxy. That would be so cool
One of my most successful empires was a farming empire. I didn't forgo the other resources, of course, but I really focused on farming. Here is what I learned:
Food is not useless. It's the easiest resource to increase with some of the strongest bonuses. I owned the senet by using my massive food production to buy favors and using those favors to bully my way around. I traded in such a way to make the sure I was giving the other side of the trade a really good deal, so I ended up with everyone liking me. Food as the backbone of your economy (not as your only economy) is not only doable, but quite good.
Should have done a regular empire for this. Farmers only (with catalytic processing) + trade build for consumer goods to support research labs.
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Can't help but wonder how much impact the new precursor building, the Baol Organic Plant will make since it makes farmy bois give 1 more food and +1 consumer good.
Some musings, situation chosen to show maximized potential [you don't take many farm-related techs and math may be off]
Base production: 7 [1 from base building] to 9 [with perk bonus]
Total production: 14 [harvester trait, agri-world, two +20% techs, 60+ hability, governor+good stability] to 18
Let's say pop food use is approx. 1.2 due to hability over whole empire, you can now supply 3-4 pops more per farmer, excluding starbases, vassals, trades, etc. your need about 1 less Farmer per 100 pops in your empire. Let's say you don't use external sources, now you have [with Baol building] 7% Farmer pops.
Now you have 6-7 extra CG & 1 extra pop free [per 100 pops in Empire] to work anything more essential than farms, those 7 CG will cover those Farmers and one researcher job with some to spare.
That's... okay?, but these are very specific conditions, and overall gain goes down with bonuses to production, especially with orbital ring +2 and upgrading farming building to +2. There is a thing, that it's not usual to have that many farmers. On my last save I have about 2.5-3% farmers and could easily just employ them elsewhere, but domestic food production is important for our internal politics [we produce almost 2x the food needed and I don't play optimally]
But it would be much more lucrative if you use food to produce alloys, I guess, but I didn't played so won't guess how much. Every farmer+specialist pair will be covered by farmer's CG production if not Utopian Abundance and you have at least 125% normal production on planet [like 80 stability + governor]
I feel like this challenge is best suited to wide gestalt empires - Lots of planets with bioreactors
opinion and prediction: your farmers only challenge is possible, although it will still be hard, at least at first. I don't think farmers are as inefficient as you think, since growing your own food is not as bad as buying it on the market (both technicians and farmers produce 6 of their respective resource, whereas buying food costs 1.3 times more on the internal market with monthly trades.)
That said though, this will still be hard, since you can't have technician jobs. However, if you have friendly neighbors you may actually be able to trade for better deals with them when contact is established, selling food to other nations and getting non food resources at an advantageous 1.2 ratio. Also, if you can potentially vassalize someone (or even produce your own vassal, if you weren't a hive mind or had progenitor hive,) they could give you resources, especially if they were a prospectorium.
My prediction: this is possible, and barring bad luck (like in the quest for Jeff) you will do at least a passable job in this endeavor, since you really know what you are doing. I look forward to seeing how you do and commenting further!
This is a man in pain.
I love it. I feast upon your pain.
Anglers is a good one for this setup if you find yourself low on agri districts.
Hey Montu,
I'm playing Stellaris for 2 weeks now and I love it too find almost always one of your videos covering my questions!
But, actually I'm looking for a video about archaeology sites. Something like a Tier-List. Which to excavate immediately, keep for later etc.
Especially early on, it takes a lot of time for my inexperienced scientists to excavate a site.
I feel like the goal is to tank the food market and sell all your food all the time and get to a point where you can purchase minerals at inflated prices. Well also burn food for energy.
I feel like regular races would make an easier farmer only run, you can grab that aquatic farming trait and get food, unity, consumer goods and energy all from your farmers.
I love this. As someone who actually has done a food focused run(although not with these brutal restrictions) it is nice to see the farmer’s plights and bounties both
Have you ever thought about playing this challenge with a machine empire? Bio-processors employ 0 pops and generate 20 energy per 25 food upkeep, which is better than the market at least. However, you could stack machine nexus planet, governor trait and prosperity to reduce the upkeep down by 30, maybe 40% or more, turning 1 food into more than 1 energy.
Is it good? It is something of a meme, so I would say yes.
I'm not quite convinced this is as bad as my unintentional industrial only challenge because I didn't realize industrial districts are always uncapped. I fixed my basic needs issue by just issuing 45% protection taxes on 3-4 empires
From a year in the future, this is now a viable build that is actually ridiculously good
I love it how ,since Overlord,vassals make janky stupid strategies like this actually playable.
He just sounds so furious the whole way through 🤣
To be honest, I've found using food for diplomacy and trades to be extremely useful. If you can't beat em, feed em.
Fluffy is an acceptable name for Bubbles too.
This is sadly the kind of stream I would absolutely have loved lol
Why didn't you have bioreactors?
I tend to use my food as a driven assimilator to bribe the filthy frleshbag Zeno's into becoming my vassal then absorb them 10 years later
🙀🙀🙀WAIT A SECOND YOU HAVE XENO COMPATIBILITY👩❤👨 ON!🙀🙀🙀
Max auto-sell for basic resources is 146 units per month. Jernsaxe posted the market table on your discord few times and I think it should be pinned somewhere very visible.
sounds pretty useless mid-late game when a single AI empire is willing to sell you 450 energy/month for 100 food/month for 30 years, without the price ever going down while giving you more energy then you get by selling 146 food/month on the market. Or you could directly trade food for alloys at a 1:1 ratio, yes the AI (at least in my ensign difficulty game) is that bad at trading. Also for some reason machine empire AI really like buying food from you.
Is farmers only viable? No, not a chance .
Is it possible? Maybe, at least theoretically. But there is SO much that can go wrong.
sounds like a description of a stoner society, unemployeed thinekrs and salad makers
In the current update you can actually turn food into anything, SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!
the best farm is a galactic size farm - this should have also included a Devouring Swarm
I feel that consumer goods creation should also involve food, like it logically is in the real world.
Hey, Fluffy is an acceptable alternative to Bubbles. Anything else is shallow ice.
Food is the second worst resource. Know what's worse? Consumer goods. Just as much of a pain in the ass, but twice as expensive.
Key is to trade food to other empires. Get much better than galactic market. Monthly trades are key!
And not just energy; trade for minerals!
I made a plantoid race of healthy edible agricultural veggie pops and named it "the garden of eaten"
We need an update for hive minds where you can build structures, districts out of out of food like if it were mushrooms or organic matter. Aliens that literally plant like hives that build all their structures out of organic material.
nice to see you've come around on the plantoid ship set. the one true ship set, some would say~
Farmers only new meta? Farmers only new meta.
I would love to see a trait that allows pops to gain a ton of bonuses that scale with a dynamic food upkeep. sort of a reactive metabolism.
could be cool for builds that can output ridiculous quantities of food per month (like 20k) instead of just selling it all. imagine having pops that eventually produce like 10x resources, but literally devour all the food you generate in your entire empire each month. or you could have it as a custom situation or possibly a policy.
That's an amusing thought.
It's almost harvesting season
If you had gone non-gestalt, you could have plopped down some commerical zones, which aren't prohibited in this and gotten your energy(and unity, and comercial goods potentially) that way.
I've found farmers are really strong because AI empires will pay absurd amounts of Alloys for some food. Much more than trading with Energy or Minerals for Alloys. Farmers also produce more resources than technicians or miners. A Farmer build lets you play a really cool trade build. Not trade like trade value, trade as in bartering hands on with other empires. Lithoids and machine empires are particularly interested in buying food.
Being a hive mind to make everyone hate you kind of shot yourself in the foot.
You don't have to be lonely, at Farmers Only space Strat
About minute 9 I could totally feel the pain...
I usually play as xenophile as possible. But I have to agree, 5:34 if you kill bubbles I WILL become the crisis 😈
Somerset can into space
Now, that I've watched it to the end, it was so much fun!
They say art is suffering, and watching you going farmers heavy was surely suffering I enjoyed.
You could have used the Bio-reactor to solve the energy problem
Dude you need to post the 2nd part
see, if you did this with Cordyceptic drones, you got a solid fleet with only food as upkeep etc.
You got me with Bubbles!
Ahh yes, the intensive market run.
Montu just sell the monthly food at slightly above average amount, And buy an ungodly amount of food off the market. This will increase the amount your food sells for. I usually use metals for this.
Should have gone with Anglers and Agrarian Idle picking up Catilitic Processing later. Then at least you would have trade and produce the consumer goods without minerals.
Surprised that there's no configuring the planetary automation
You don't name it Fluffy!?!? Blasphemer! Just for that, I challenge you to beat the game with no shipyards!
Forsake 'bubbles'! Fluffy is eternal!
You could have started "solar" farming as that is a form of farming.
This build deserves its own website and app.
Imagine how much food you could have with an agrarian idyllic empire with the food bonus traits and the ocean paradise for unlimited food districts.
Lots.
I did a farming build with aquatic catalytic idyll overtuned cyborg anglers.
I had one mining world for CG and buildings/stations. Most consumer goods comes from pearl divers.
Massive farm only planets (27+) with orbital ring food and CG boosts plus factory/production ministry. Filled with 25%+15%+50%(!)+10%+5%+5% productivity farmer pops before tech.
Each farm planet was like a megastructure.
Then forge planets to convert to alloys.
I wasn't being a purist; I had a few generator worlds, 1.5 mining worlds, and switched forge to cg if needed. And 2 relic tech worlds.
Oh! A hivemind farming collective. That's hilarious. Yes.
Edit: Kinda went on a comment mini frenzy. But I'd love a part two. I'm going to try doing a longer play-through, but I always have issues past early mid-game maintaining interest. Might be an EQ thing, and/or just not having other people.
I like the idea of doing a farmer only run of Pacifist Farmers. Maybe like some type of mammalian species that is cute and doesn't want to harm anyone or anything. An agrarian fast breeding species that just wants to be left alone. The role play for a farmer only run could be super fun.
Ah the true Irish dream of farming potatoes on a galactic level
are you okay Montu?
All you need to do is to sell food directly to the AI (assuming you have friedly AI empires that are willing to trade with you) for some reason machine empires really like buying monthly food for you giving you like 400+ energy credits for 100 food, or even better 100 alloys/month for 100 food/month, obiously AI have limited supplys they can sell you but you get a much much better deals then when you are trading on the market, so it's worth doing as much as you can.
God Damn it man where is part 2? i want to see if you completed the challenge and won :O
So, watery hobbits in space...
always has to be bubbles, no other name would be right =)
This challenge is kind of easy with megacorp, argo-forging, and taking the .25 consumer good from 1 trade policy
Argo forging? Hmm
I always pick nyx for the name because on Eve I always wanted to pilot the nyx.