PM Lee on why S Iswaran still has reduced pay when barred from duty while under probe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2023
- Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said in parliament on Wednesday (Aug 2) that questions relating to the timing and disclosure of Mr Iswaran's arrest by CPIB are "reading a lot into very little". "First of all, nobody knew that Mr Iswaran might or might not have been doing something wrong. CPIB found out. Nobody tipped them off. Nobody blew a whistle. Nobody raised a public scandal. No (parliamentary question) in parliament, not even from the Workers' Party," he said.
Mr Lee also explained why he decided to keep Mr Iswaran on reduced monthly pay despite him being on leave of absence, saying he took reference from the Civil Service. "So what is a fair thing to do? At the Civil Service, their practice is in such situations, you are interdicted, you're put on half pay subject to a ceiling and a floor, but you are there until the matter is disposed of."
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To freeze his pay seems more reasonable .......
PM Lee is super 'Generous' when spend Singaporean Taxpayers' money aside from his 'absurd' reasoning on the notion of 'fairness'. 🤫
Investigated for CORRUPTION STILL Collecting $8,500/mth Salary PAID By TAX PAYERS
UNBELIEVABLE
I asked a person on use of tax monies. He said, why bother? It does not belong to any one person specifically. I was 😲 shocked! This type of citizenry is what I call Daft and why if many are like this, the democracy is only as flawed as these zombies. If we have leaders with wrong thinking, many Billions can be spent suka suka
Investigated =/= Guilty
Just make sure they claw back the money if he’s found guilty in court
Remember this when GE start
@@lolipopi503
Help to REMIND Everyone come GE2025
Investigated only nia.
Where is the concrete evidence?
The right approach should be to withhold all salary until investigation is over and he's innocent. If IS is convicted for corruption, then it is a slap in the face for poor Singaporean taxpayers. If not, IS can be reimbursed his full salary and has nothing to lose.
Agree 100%
C’mon Guys, IS not just MP BUT a CABINET MINISTER , he knows PAP’s Skeletons & possibly even State Secrets … think You get the idea …😊
1) $8500 is too high, because he still gets MP allowance of about $16k.
2) Given his high salary for years as minister, his savings should be considerable, $8500 is more of a symbolic figure, rather than a matter of livelihood.
3) Since it is a symbolic figure, I suggest he be paid $1400, which is the minimum LQS aka "unofficial-guiding-minimum-wage" under the progressive wage model.
@@Niatnuom_Esiotrothe's got a family to feed. You think that salary would have been fair for his family?
@@ClaraFlater_than_surface_board
1) If you think it's not fair, basically you are saying govt is not fair to all the low wage worker's families by allowing them to earn $1400.
2) Iswaran has more savings than any of the regular workers, his finances is the last thing we should be worried about.
3) At his age his children are grown up and are of working age, they can make their own money.
sibei song still have free pay while being investigated...if normal wage worker no nid say kena sack liao
And may never find work again!
Investigated by CPIB for corruption, still getting paid... after pay cut, it's still a lot more than many Sporeans' salaries. The PA's issue is even more completely unbelievable too!
pay for Starbucks coffee lor
PAP is corrupt. Do not trust PAP. Do not vote PAP. Vote opposition.
Remember this on GE
To be fair its a very big pay cut and you cannot compare a minister's pay to a commoner pay its just not right.
@@gala1078 so minister is our master and a commoner is their slave so cannot compare right?
haha he was already arrested so CPIB have some evidence to prove wrongdoing for an arrest warrant. Therefore he shouldnt be receiving any pay during the suspension and investigation. If he is really innocent after the investigation, you can always backpay him later on.
The guideline is
Own people: innocent until proven guilty
Other people: guilty until proven innocent
Are u sure??? You need to investigate and get enough proof. Until found guilty, this man is believed innocent. Even for other countries
the current system is already corrupted in its own way, you know, I know, only fools still asleep 😂
Cannot agree more
PAP: Interviewed
Opposition: Interrogated
interesting point
5:14 And that is the reason why I do not want a PAP PM and a (ex)PAP President serving at the same time. I've got loads of respect for you Tharman, but no. Not happening.
Change is good be bold
agree, we need an independent President, not a puppet of PAP
I remember late LKY once said (not exact line & words), as a civil servant, especially politicians/ministers, you are assumed guilty until proven innocent, that is how to ensure the government, with best effort, it is clean & not corrupted.
Ok .... now the PM says something different ..... best thing is - Iswaran has been relieved from ministerial post, he is also NOT a MP anymore, meaning he is basically a commoner with NO JOB & DUTY, yet PM give him salary ...... $8.5K may not be a lot for them, perhaps peanuts in their context, but that amount is easily higher than 80% of Singaporeans ..... how generous .... and no one can over turn that decision, see where is the flaws & loop holes in the system?
How about cut his salary totally & back pay him in full when proven innocent? That is how consistence should be maintained.
Ugh... I'm pretty sure he's still Minister and MP. And guilty until proven innocent is a really, really bad idea.
MP allowance still carry on.
@@G2H_HellBringer I don't think he still hold or have that Minister's appointment anymore, however, he might still hold the appointment of being a MP (for now), which then make cutting half his "salary" to $8.5K sounds logically, coz MP allowance is about 17K if I'm not wrong.
@@reallydead Half of that I think, MP allowance is about 17K if I'm not wrong.
The Civil Service practice of reducing the pay instead of withholding pay while on a corruption investigation and not working is ridiculous.
What if he is found guilty? Does he get to keep the $8,500 salary or is he required to pay back what has been paid to him? Why doesn't the PM explain this scenario?
He should be on unpaid leave. This is where I cannot agree with the PM's rational explanation. He is so wrong!!!!!!
So whatever happens to he is innocent until proven guilty? Anyway he is still being suspected and not convicted yet(learn to hear the news) plus he's got family to feed, bills to pay and so on, if the PM did not think any of these would it be fair for you if you are Mr iswaran?
Innocent until proven guilty, as it should be. I hope the best for Mr Iswaran
Totally agreed! If he find guilty, will he vomit out his monthly $8500 and contribute back to the nation? Alot of people don’t even earn $8500 per month
@@veganath Yes we hope he is innocent. But he should not be paid as nonfunctioning and hold no Ministeral responsibility while under investigation. After all he is still being paid $16k as MP.
PM reason is totally irrational, how is that can be considered as 'Unfair' if he is not pay >$8K a month while under corruption probe. He really take 'absurdity' to a whole new level in Singapore。 😵💫😵💫
If you sat thru the whole 3 hours of broadcast you would have wasted your time because there were no new updates other than the 8.5k reduced salary of Iswaran, everything else is a repeat of what he said weeks ago.
now only you know it is a waste of time haha
Even under corruption investigation, a Cabinet Minister continue to collect monthly salary of >$8K under Civil Service Act, a Cabinet minister does enjoy many 'Ministerial Privileges' and 'Fair' treatment in Singapore.🧐Very nice indeed!
THE PRESIDENT WHO IS INDEPENDENT AND NOT LINK TO ANY POLITIC PARTIES.
If President is PM KaKiLang then we are SCREWED.
ALL The More IMPORTANT To have An INDEPENDENT n NEUTRAL President
Haha….. machiam the “INDEPENDENT” president does not have to vote for a party before he be/she becomes a president
This raises the question: how long would the Singaporean public have been left in the dark if HPL hadn’t announced Mr Ong’s arrest on Friday morning?
It appears that the PAP government is releasing information in a piecemeal fashion, only in response to details entering the public domain.
Is this what DPM Wong deems as being “upfront and transparent” to the Singaporean public?
It was only after HPL’s disclosure-necessitated by the rules of the Singapore Stock Exchange-that the public became aware of Mr Ong’s arrest and subsequently leading to queries from the media about whether Mr Iswaran was arrested.
Even on 13 July, the PMO did not disclose information about Mr Iswaran’s arrest or bail situation to the media.
Dont worry..what is hidden in the dark ..will.surface one day. Cant hide forever
In the first place even if he is under suspicion… a suspension is in order..! Believe that’s the standard you party has been preaching so now to back track shows your lack of consistency
This is worse than the tan chuan jin case!
REALLY CPIB Found out or Info came fm UK as Part of Bernie Ecclestone Ex F1 Owner failed to declare a trust in Singapore with a bank account containing around $650 million ?
Christopher de souza n Ridout were cleared, nobody will be surprised if Iswaran will be cleared too. All these at the expense of Singapore past reputation n good name.
Iswaran was Already being Investigatied by CPIB Since May, around same time frame of Bernie Ecclestone Ex F1 Owner failed to declare a trust in Singapore with a bank account containing around $650 million n a his trail Against him starts in Nov.
Doesn't it look like Info came fm UK n CPIB Didn't do their Own Investigations?
Now SLOWLY SLOWLY release info of Bernie Ecclestone Ex F1 Tax evasion which was Knows Weeks Ago Reported by Numerous Foreign Press
Just kick him out of PAP.. why must hide his mistake..
Exactly... at least position ought to be frozen 6:56
Well the "innocent until proven guilty" is in effect, or do you want to end up like Johnny Depp when he got fired and blacklisted due to Amber Heard's allegations drama? 🤔
What a waste of money. Better if it went to the reserves or to help Low income households.
Jialat eh. Pap always double standard
Regarding the 2 key system, Isn't it More so why we need a fully and truly Independent President who is not affiliated in any way with the ruling party [past or present] since the CPIB reports to the Prime Minister?
Two keys wont work because one key chose the other key 😂. The elected president has always and will always be a PAP puppet. They are making a mockery of our democracy 😢
LHL score owngoal. He makes a convincing argument NOT to vote for a PAP President.
Two key system? It sounds so very convincing when nobody knows what goes behind the scene. This reflects again "public's perception of conflict of interest" which no PAP members seem to be able to answer but deflect but giving non answers. SM teo Chee hean gave an analogy saying if health minister go hospital, will he be given priority? If so, then PM cannot do anything without being accused of favouritism. Let's get real, who can deny, in popular culture, that our ministers all got some sort of favouritism? Granted, they might not have asked/demanded for it, but surely the subordinates of them have no balls to defy orders from their higher ups to show favouritism.
I am a blue collar worker. I carry tools like test pen and screwdrivers with me as part of my work. More than a decade ago I was denied entry to a conference at meridian hotel (now known as Concorde) simply because our PM is inside and I and holding my tools. Now, THAT is after my pre submitted name was cleared, and I had already entered the ballroom prior to the PM's presence simply because I left to the toilet. Ok, to be fair, it's the PM. Nothing can be left to chance, but his guards are so stressed that I can see how undecided they were in letting me in. Test pen! Screwdriver! Not firearms! I was forced to wait outside the ballroom for more than 20 mins. The conference is starting SOON. I NEED to be inside. So, the question is this, will any lesser MPs get the same amount of attention as the PM? No favouritism? Let's not kid ourselves. Now, look back at the Ridout matter. PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. This seems to be something out ruling government is very willing to overlook.
I am appalled. Shouldn’t it be suspension without pay???? This is really crap. Pap is full of crap.
That is completely illogical and absolutely contrived. Using the same principle, there will not be any articles on suspects but only of the guilty.
PM's honesty is a true eyeopener of his thinking and judgement. Life as a public servant is certainly far better than a citizen.
I disagree with his argument
Not convincing at all.
Loong loong ah… loon loong… you sure treat your goons very generously… at the expense of all public tax payers…
what if the investigation continues for yeears, will he collect salary for years until case close?
While the pap lead very great lives and are extremely rich with big houses 🏘️, most Singaporeans still live badly and suffer in silence under pap communistic like management.
Hey, the Communists in China are actually doing good for their people. You're talking about corrupt corporate elitists, or fascists
Why not you apply for the job, since you are so jealous of the ministers
@@chitchat3838 i don't need to apply for the job, I don't support the pap. If I apply for an MP job, it will also be applying and trying to go in for an $11k/month opposition MP job.
Plse alert CIPB on this $8500 salary.
Mm....NO PAY LEAVE CANNOT BE APPLIED ?
Paid 8.5k + 10k mp allowance to stay at home kiao kar haha life is good ❤
CPIB Why cannot the Head of CPIB make immediate decision on his own, just simply informing the PM of his intention to investigate ?
Puppet Master yet to pull the Strings lah
So sad iswaran probably can only afford for beer hostess no more high class entertainment, not even KTV hostess 😢😢😂😂
Please be upfront with Singaporeans.
If we recall; Only upon being questioned by the reporter then did we come to know that the relationship had already been for 3 years.
Looks like another Keppel case flushed in the toilet .
best lar... still can enjoy aloo tikki, masala chai and tandoori chicken....
iswaran is tamil ... so thosai idli and sambar
I think mr lee is damaging the reputation of his late father. He is too soft unlike before the era of lky
not that he is soft, he acts impulsively n made more damages with his solutions
No need to ask, Sinkaporean politicians have the highest paid and best job in the whole world. Unmatched.
CPIB should directly report to the PRESIDENT why need to even report to PM.
Who is the Puppet Master ?
*Sing : "Obey your master, master"😂
No difference, cpib and president still report to LHL.This is why PAP play heinous and dubious tactic.
should've been independent, no need to report to PM or President. who don't know what game is playing huh?
President is a statue , PM is the BOSS!!!
If cpib found that what our highly paid ministers are above the law for what they did should be dealt with severely as they don't show goid example as a country leader. Any investment civil servants should be involved. Ministers job are to take care of their citizens basic livelihood first n should not think if other income from their position in the public sector to get themselves rich.
Pap is in disarray now after a string of consecutive policy mistakes
I thought he was "arrested", but "interviewed" only meh?
how come must talk for 10 mins? You just need to say "I am the KING!"
Look like till now, he still clueless cpib investigation findings or he is hinting Iswaran will be cleared.😂
Time will tell, ownself serve ownself system, anything is possible😂
Sure clear after election huh ?
Iswaran is DONE For
Imagine if the accused absconded. Wow. It will be so sensational the story!!
Just like Ng Poh Too ex-PAP , who asconded to thailand and came back was forgiven because of old age.
Where is our president?
I’m missing a point. Why does CPIB EVEN NEED TO INFORM YOU? Unless the investigation involves LHL to 录口供 (records his statements), otherwise, they should not even need to report to him. 🙄
Cpib salary is at lhl hand..So they need to take care of their ricebowls
Because its very difficult to corrupt the top guy so that makes the top guy the top choice for the CPIB to report to.
Then who does CPIB report to? You don't know how to run a country, right? There's no such thing as being totally unaccountable, because that would be absolute power. Don't forget, Chiam See Tong said Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.
@@edwinpoon PM LHL earn more than President..So he is a top guy.
@@edwinpoon Suggest a solution then...lol all organisation will have a top guy where he don't need to report to anyone and he will be the guy to make the final decision. There is no end to this of coz you can suggest a group of guys who are able to overturn the PM decision then someone will argue that then the group of guys can also be corrupted and hold absolute power to overturn every decision.
Another long Grandfather stories to.hide Pappigs Government shame....
Minister Teh..... at that time , the Business Times was a Section in the Straits Times....about 6 months after Teh committed suicide, that Business Times reported that his Son was in China with US$600 MILLION to buy a Hotel...... WOW !!! US$600 MILLION !!!.... That article can now no longer be found ??? Does anyone else remember reading that article ???
The PM ought to have considered the optics of still paying S Iswaran. Considering that it may be unfair to the suspended Minister that he not be paid and later it turns out he's innocent, there's a solution. It's called reimbursement. If he's found innocent in the end, he could get reimbursed in full. But to continue to pay him $8500 per month for doing nothing, at a rate higher than most Singaporeans' salaries, is unwise and the optics do not help the PAP at all.
He has been arrested. Not investigated.
Should be no pay !!!
"Nobody knew" "nobody tip them off" so everybody dunno anything, paid fat bucks to slot into full pockets 😂😂😂😂😂😂
So if found guilty is he going to pay back all the money from the day the corruption start ?
Atleast wear your jacket and collar properly
Thursday
14 March 2024
Times: 10.46 am
Short and sweet, why it matters to vote.
80% sitting on the fence.
Siu hong Ang Karen Pamela
Mr K SHANMUGAM ❤❤
He still gets pay???
8500 ?????????????????????????? $1500 can liao lah !
having a poor governance can you be able to make judgement call when CPIB has a case to follow
If a cabinet minister or MP is under CPIB probe, he already has alot to answer for. Pay should be frozen meanwhile - public money.
Accountability is non-negotiable through the rungs of clean, honest government.
Don't get oneself to the point you have to be probed in the first place. It bodes awfully for integrity while in public office and stains both personal and political repute.
Especially at the elevated levels of public office, there is little room for compromise in wrong-doing as public scrutiny will be present and intense in this situation.
Do not be impartial to anyone, regardless. That's how we keep things clean.
He was not only under the CPIB probe.... he was ARRESTED and on bail !
If u r not in the inner circle, once caught wind with the slightest crime. U will be ask to leave with immediate effect.
However not everyone got this benefit
...
Guy has more money than 99% of Singaporeans and here he is pretending to be a hobo.
People want to dress comfortably also want criticise
Sure Looks like HOBO
Arrested for corruption and still being paid. . .🤔
What are they still paying a binister when he is almost guilty
What is almost guilty?
Cases have gone to court with “irrefutable” evidence but came back innocent
We can see language is very flexible allowing different views and interpretations😅 i wonder do laywers enjoy this property or attribute of language? Very lucrative work?😅
Sir PM Lee, i will continue to vote for you just like 61% of other Singaporean.
You need not have to explain anything, you can grant Iswaran full salary even if he was found guilty and serving jail term. No question raised from 61% of us 😊
Please do what you want with tax payer $$ ❤
so 8500 is ceiling or floor?
The common thread that I see with Ridout, hot-mic and Iswaran pay is also about the public perception of the party members' sense of privilege and entitlement. This perception is something that, I think, the PM missed. Already many people feel that the party is increasingly less in touch with the average Singsporean.
Just because the PM could allow Iswaran to draw $8500 per month, does not mean he should. That amount is more than what the average Singaporean make. Of course, Iswaran deserve to be treated innocent until proven guilty. He is not an average civil servant. I think the threshold of expectation is higher. After all, these ministers get much more pay based on the notion that it would deter corruption.
Who knew, the EAST COAST PLAN was actually the WEST COAST PLAN.
May be EAST COAST AND WEST COAST will combine GRC nex GE. 10 Mps a team.😇😇😇
Is he saying now, pre-trail, that there's something there?
This is ridiculous !
His pay should be withheld until the investigation is over.
It makes zero sense to still pay Iswaran when he has been arrested and out on bail !
How cpib found out had to be revealed. Who blew the whistle?
is that like a 90% paycut?
my pay only 2000. I no corruption one.😁
Well thought out decision. Good information about how CPIB had functioned independently. Like u have emphasized, we need good people in this role and also at the govt. level. Perphas the govt. should explore how to build a more independent CPIB.
pm speaks very well... very articulate ... good english
Pap's Iswaran shouldn't even have a pay cut to $8500, a lousy and bad minister like iswaran, he should have just been expelled or kicked out of pap with NO pay immediately.
CPIB suka suka arrest people ?
Come on he was not just assisting in the investigation !
He was arrested and is now out because he posted bail !
If he did not post bail, he would still be in prison, kids !
Don't you guys know anything ?
Is this a serious fault in SG education ? Make you lot good in only regurgitating facts !
It seemed so !
It’s taxpayers money! Why is he still paid salary?
Since S. Iswaran has being suspended from his work regardless of his ministerial post or member of parliament position, he SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN any single penny of his regular monthly salary or perks！The state SHOULD NOT EVEN PAY him 85cents! The $8,500 pay given to him comes from every single dollar and cent which are contributed taxpayers’ hard earned and sweat money! This $8,500 pay is tantamount to at least 5 junior workers’ monthly salaries, PLEASE DON’T FORGET THIS POINT!😮😮😮
mm. CPIB should be reporting to the PEOPLE?
Sure i would like to know where else in Singapore you can get retal at $0.20 per square foot.>>
Similar property in that area is going for $60,000 month how come they can get $20,000
All salary should be suspended... and all his allowances stop. He is not working. This is our tax payers money. We are not an endless atm machine for the Mp. Pap need to stop over paying their mps. Reality bites.
Sir, if i may, i have a question to ask thru you. Lets say in countries other than Singapore, corruption is known if the wrong doer is caught. What happens to those who have never been caught?
2 sets of law!!
Well said by the Prime Minister. Minister Iswaran has not been charged. Is presumed innocent. We need to stop being persecutors like those in the crowd that chanted "crucify him, crucify him..." We have the Rule of Law. Let us folllow the Law.
Opening position for minister transport , PM reshuffle the cards again soon cos placement not right.
I completely disagree that we have to have a PM's permission for the CPIB to operate. I think the most trustworthy and most effective arrangement is the CPIB being completely independent. Like it or not, any scandal regarding politicians, especially those part of the ruling party, will sully the party's name as a whole, and there could be good reason for one to deny CPIB's investigation to protect the perceived integrity of the party.
Had the CPIB conducted an investigation into the massive discounts given on the sale of luxury properties at Nassim Jade and Scotts 28, involving the Prime Minister, his father, and other family members?
Only after the Lees got found out, their crafty plan of restitution was a simple act of kindness, donating their discounts to charity. 😊
So, the very initial acceptance of the offer, in most cases, would contravene the guidelines for ministers, especially those with very "high" moral standards like the Lees. 😊
Anyways, the audacious and irresistible discount offered to the Lees by HPL was through Ong Beng Seng, and one to get into the Lees's good books for favour. 🎉
Legally speaking, it is clearly evident that such an act to receive favour in the form of a massive discount before the soft launch of the development/s would construe misconduct and an equivalent to graft.
Clear double standard or is the law meant to be flexible for those in government office, where the rule book is applied differently accordingly to social groups? 😅
Absolute clownery
WHAT THE MESS.....AGE.....AFTER LKY🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sir I sincerely hope u can summon mr eswaran to the court of 3 donkeys to clean his name
Feels kind of sick to be in a political culture and country where there seemed to be More EMPATHY and SYMPATHY from the ruling party for the VERY rich earning less due to their indiscretions.
While the basic salaries of the Singaporean Working Poor are DELIBERATELY made RIDICULOUSLY LOW to the point where any mere suggestions of minimum wage are simply DISMISSED as so called “populist”!
By what is said by our Prime Minister, the president of Singapore should not and cannot be an ex member of the parliament so as to prevent biased or sentiment based decisions.
CPIB does not need PM support !
CPIB should NOT report to PM office. Where is the independence?
His argument sounds fair and logical tbh.