You haven't been in a modern university or highschool my friend. Id argue the more conventionally attractive (I.e you can just post a picture of yourself on social media and get attention just for your looks) you are the less you focus on "hard intelligence" (STEM). Last time i remembered the "cool attractive kids" weren't in calculus with me. In fact most of them have dropped out. The "dreamboat" from my highschool moved to LA to become an actor and i never heard from him again, another attractive guy never really tried in high school, tried starting up a modeling career after he graduated and i think he's cooking steaks at the keg now. I have no clue what any of the "hot girls" are up to anymore, they all died on social media and i don't hear stories about them at uni, some of them are in midwife programs i think, and most of the others are waiting tables.
The question is: are beauty and intelligence found statistically together because intelligent men find beautiful women and their child recieves both benefits or the higher the beauty the higher the intelligence in general regardless of where it comes from?
What about the issue of how attractive people get more positive reinforcement? I certainly believe that emotional problems or lack of them affect the ability to learn. Attractive and appealing children are going to get more positive reinforcement from teachers and other authority figures. No, that's not fair, but it's just the way it is. And this is going to hold true not only throughout someone's educational career, but even when they are learning new skills or a new job, attractive people get more positive reinforcement from others around them. I certainly believe that these factors affect intelligence, or at least how intelligent people appear, and so physical appearance does in fact have a positive effect on a person's intelligence.
Logically, not necessarily. Consider 2 isolated populations that mostly mate within themselves and only occasionally is there some genetic exchange between these 2 populations. Within each population, there is a correlation between beauty and intelligence, but if you group the two populations together, there won’t be correlation. This model better describes the situation in our current world: different race/ethnicity groups have been more or less genetically isolated for hundreds of thousands of years and only recently have we come together into a more mixed population. In such a mixed population, I don’t expect any correlation between beauty and intelligence.
My experience is the exact opposite. The most ignorant people I've ever met are beautiful. "There is NO LINK between intelligence and Beauty" - Quasimoto
There is a confound there (unless the research design included a control). Attractiveness is associated with money/status. So a woman's attractiveness may be an effect of her access to money.
If your EI is high like your IQ, your sophisticated enough to recognize your audience tailoring speech to connect. Otherwise, how intelligent are you without self knowing enough to adapt to the environmental and social conditions occuring. Ie you couldn't blend in to get in, undercover people are scary intelligent for this reason.
@LogicianTenderstone She’s calling him intelligent using the context of this video, and apparently Dr. G. agrees with her, seeing as he liked her comment. Please enlighten us on how this is ignorant and sexist. Thanks!
I had two women who raised me. My grandmother and my mother. My grandmother had a very bad case of a severely disfiguring genetic illness. She was withdrawn, of course, but also very kind, patient, loving, supportive. My mother was an extremely attractive woman with a vicious temper. When she started a verbal assault you were afraid it was going to get to the point where you would be killed but by the time she finished you were hoping you could die. She was smart and very savvy because she knew how to put on a good front when she needed to. She was a master manipulator. Just because someone is intelligent and/or good-looking it absolutely is no indicator of whether they are a nice person.
Late bloomers often spend time reading, or cultivating intelligence through hobbies. When they “bloom” as adults they are surprised to be considered attractive. I think that’s why many attractive people are intelligent and seek out like minded mates.
I’ve always been told I was really smart maybe not school wise since I never paid attention but I can still pay attention at any point of the lesson and know more than everyone else but I was never really attractive until after puberty (looking half adult and child) so I think I’d be considered a late bloomer but I think it’s better to grow up that way so you know what it’s like to not have the special treatment from being a 10 and know it’s only bc of how you look and u get to better see the world (for attractive people so they don’t get spoiled and everything done for them in school Like I did and be better prepared and actually do shit for your self
@@Bbbbbfs I was awkward from age 8 through 13, then I blossomed. My personality is affected by those years of awkwardness. I don’t have the confidence or social success an attractive person should have.
@@genxx2724 better than my situation, I'm 16 and I don't see that "blossom" ever coming to me, but hey, I don't know you or your life and you me, so what do I know
@@genxx2724 This happened to me too, but I wonder about your comment. What confidence or social success do you think an attractive person SHOULD have, exactly? This is achieved through time. Work on your career. You will gain confidence through achieving goals, never through superficial attractiveness. Take my word for it. I've been in commercials, modeled, many other "attractiveness" related things. I'm middle aged now. Your other comment about "make a man special", you need to get over yourself.
I keep thinking back to being a kid and the adults yelling things like, "Try to look and act like you got some sense!" I guess they didn't even know how useful that advice was. HAHA
Seems to me that high IQ people are usually unattractive. Look at the highest rated chess players, and famous scientists. Almost all of them are unattractive. Even people like Bill Gates and Elon Musk.
I think another reason this theory might tend to be predictive is that attractive people are more likely to have opportunities; especially in the job market (this is provable), and also in school. If an attractive kid gets more and better attention from his teachers and later has more favorable job opportunities, might that lead to higher IQ scores?
@Laughingathwrld Just like most humans love gold. Anything that stands out we care about it. If it’s a predator we run away, if it’s something we want or other people want, we run forwards it
Physical fitness is associated with attractiveness. Physical fitness also improves a persons mental state. Achieving physical fitness (if you arent naturally fit) also requires intelligence, conscientiousness, persistence and willpower...
There are millions of intelligent people in the world who aren't physically fit. Having willpower, persistence and motivation are attributes of a healthy mental state, which is not correlated with intelligence.
@@WackazSomebody who uses their intelligence in all areas of their lives to attain greater mental and physical health and wellbeing is clearly far more intelligent than somebody who follows contraproductive and self sabotaging behaviors and only applies their intelligence in a few narrow domains.
@@Wackaz Being physically fit is good for intelligence. If you aren't physically fit, you're gonna be further from your "intelligence ceiling" than if you were fit. And, long term, your body as a whole (including your brain) will degrade if you don't take care of it
Intelligent people may be consciousness (and trust me many also aren't), but they will more often than others put their focus into activities/ occupations, which challenge them cognitively rather than physically. In my experience people with high intelligence are considerably less interested in physical fitness and activities than others. You won't meet the most intelligent people in a fitness studio but rather in a science or mathematics course at an university. Students especially in some of the most cognitively challenging courses aren't most of the time physical fit. Probably even below average. Is such behavior sensible? No, but being intelligent doesn't make one act reasonable and sensible automatically. High intelligence isn't required to live a good and healthy life. It even might be an obstacle to do so as high intelligence correlates with mental illness.
@@IsomerSoma You are talking about a societal stereotype which has no scientific basis. We know with plenty of evidence that keeping physically active, fit and in shape is a tremendous contributor to physical AND mental health, wellbeing and cognitive performance (including intelligence). Neglecting your body to focus on tasks of cognition simply is not intelligent, it is in fact dumb. Because we know without any shred of doubt that cognition is substantially impaired by a body in bad shape.
Just brainstorming here, but I think it's easier to be in the beautiful/intelligent range of this study than most are assuming. :) If I heard the video correctly, the study considered people to be beautiful or intelligent if they were in the top 50% of society. If you've been to Walmart lately, think about how many people are in there. It's pretty easy to be in the top 50% in there. LOL People considered 'intelligent' are likely constantly working out their brain and making it work better. They are more likely to make themselves look neat and put-together on the outside and make some decent choices as far as eating and general health. They'd be more likely to fix their hair, wear clean clothes, and have good posture and some confidence. Those things alone make a person more attractive than the other half of the population who gave up on themselves a long time ago. People who gave up on their outward appearance likely have very low self-esteem and as a result, don't believe in themselves enough to work towards intelligence. I also want to point out that people in the 'beautiful' range are still not likely 'beautiful' at all hours of the day or 100% of their lives. They were just the ones who were able to make themselves look beautiful long enough to be considered that for the study. So I guess what all my rambling concludes is that 'beauty' for this study was people who look neat, clean, and healthy. People who were 'intelligent' in this study just had to have more sense than 50% of the population. That's not so hard to do these days. HAHA *I'm mostly joking around. :)
Even if you dress better than 80% of people, your physical attractiveness will still be limited by your facial and body structure. There’s only so much you can do. Still, I agree it’s worth doing whatever you can. I am physically (facially) attractive yet treat my body like shit. If a guy with a 5 face and a six-pack competes with me, some people might favor him.
@@chaostheory16 Well developed social skills might make up for being overweight, but as for pure looks (tinder is a great example of this in action) you won't even be considered. Being fit will make you more attractive, no matter your natural looks. Though your chance(starting point) is relative according to your natural looks(bone structure, etc...) Look at Chris Pratt - he wasn't considered especially attractive before he became fit. The inverse is also true. Christian Bale in american hustle put on a lot of pounds for the screen and though his good looks saved him from 'ugliness', few would deem him attractive. You'd have to be in denial to reject the correlation.
There's a fine line between genius and lunacy. Go back a few decades (before universities were as profit-driven as they are these days) and think of the "mad professor" trope. Some of these highly intelligent people do not do a particularly good job of presenting themselves. . Look at people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. By and large, they are not frantically good looking. (I've also heard some claims that Jobs wasn't really into hygiene.)
I like intelligence. I think it’s a turn on. I want to learn from a potential partner; his life, his likes, his ways and more. Idealistically we should compliment each other. Fall in like and then potentially in love with their soul. Since I’m legally blind, beauty to me Isn’t about physicality...tho I think in time all that is superficial will fade. •shrugs•
Haha @RegO true, Siri would make a horrible companion. Personality counts, dry sense of humor, dark sense of humor, eh well hmm an actual sense of humor… helps. Laughter can often get you through the door. The ability to hold a conversation, now that’s imperative. I think it’s beautiful to witness someone passionate about life, or at least passionate about what they’re doing in their‘s. How would you define intelligence?
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough. And irritating. If you like to learn, marry a teacher or professor but intelligence in my opinion is very overrated as a positive trait as it allows people to take advantage of others, for domination in social contexts (which women like, but they are not angels either) and last but not least the technological advance it allows for is threatening to severely fuck up the climate/environment/enonomy (automatization/monopoly).
Beautiful people are intelligent? That's news to me lol and goes against my experience. However generalizations are lazy so I'm sure you will break this down nicely Dr. Grande. Whoever asked this is probably high on the narcissistic spectrum, I would assume.
Yes, I've never heard that before; but we all heard that BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ARE STUPID. Photo models, blonde bombshells with air in their heads, Zoolander... Men being shamed when they prefer women who are sexy and don't care about what's inside their head. Beauty is always regarded as superficial, and beautiful people as superficial.
But that’s an assumption...that a narcissist would ask that. :) Anyone who is curious could ask. Maybe someone observed some things that made them wonder...or is questioning their own narratives and want Dr Grandes opinion. Your assumption means that you’ve established beliefs about the questioner without having that info. Meaning you applied meaning or a story to the question... most humans do this. It’s good to recognize, be introspective and wonder at our biases, false narratives that may warp our lenses...creating such assumptions. A person who is victim to a narcissist who claims that “beautiful people are more intelligent” could have asked this too... We humans take a small bit of info and create the whole pic around it & it’s rarely correct. The more info, the more questions we ask, the less judgment we apply...more chance our assessment is closer to accurate. Just consider, not all is as we believe... most of the time 😊
Can't get much more beautiful than she was. I remember when there was Rachel Welch, Elizabeth Taylor, and Sophia Loren, and then there were all the other women in the world.
My high school psychologist told me that I scored 154 on the I.Q. test that he administered, but no one has ever accused me of being good looking. Even the women I've dated haven't tried to tell me that I'm good looking; they've said things like, "Looks aren't important to me." I certainly couldn't be described as "high status," either. (I abandoned a career in mechanical engineering in order to teach; I now work as a substitute teacher, which is about as low status as a person can get.) I suspect that the correlation between a woman's attractiveness and the status of her husband is much stronger than the correlation between a woman's attractiveness and the intelligence of her husband. I suspect that the correlation between a woman's attractiveness and her husband's attractiveness is stronger, too. I don't think that homely, intelligent men who fail to achieve high status have much luck finding attractive wives.
I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. Not every person that is intelligent (there are different types of intelligence) need be succesful, but generally in order to become succesful you need to be intelligent enough. There are other factors, of course. Yes, you are a teacher, which is only middle class, but that is by choice. You could have done much more with your life (you gave up an engineering career) if you had chosen this.
@@bexiebrooks1583 He’s not saying that there is something wrong, but there is no denying that it is not a high status job primarely because of the low income compared to other professions such as doctor, lawyer, engineer etc. He is right that really attractive women - at least most of them- try to go out with higher status men- upper middle class and upwards. Men who are teachers aren’t really seen as high value by the general female population. It is just natural for high status people to search for high status partners. I’ve rarely seen a male teacher with a model-like GF or wife. The pairs I’ve seen are mostly homely; their spouses look like the girl-next-door type.
Attractive people also have better interactions and kinder treatment, I can imagine this allows for better learning and more opportunities to learn/gain diverse experiences.
8:00 - "Attractiveness is subjective and, of course, intelligence is subjective." YES! Those were my thoughts exactly while listening to Dr. Grande explain the studies! Thanks for another interesting video, Dr. Grande!
@aaronsdavis So you're saying that all men are universally attracted to super models? I'm sure you haven't thought that through enough. The thing is that you can't really define something such as beauty or intelligence because it depends on the view of the observer. So, yes, both are subjective.
Excellence, in combination with confidence within that realm is generally perceived as more attractive, then ultimately perceived as a form of higher intelligence. Thank for your thoughtfulness & objectivity Doc.
What comes to my mind is the truism that the world is very unequal. Yes, absolutely. Beauty, intelligence, wealth, everything, in fact, worldly people desire - they are not equally distributed. Make the most of what God and nature gave you. Be thankful and generous to all.
1 thoughts. 1. Beautiful people tend to be more confident (as a result of how society treats them etc) and maybe that confidence lends them extra credibility. 2. In my experience, the intelligence of beautiful women is often underestimated as people often don't correleate beauty with intelligence in women (from what I've seen and heard).
@Noise Injection what if someone was fat as a kid so thought of as ugly but began to lose weight and got to a point where he became skinny and now he looks really good?
@Leandro Aude "In fact, when you see a peculiarly attractive person who is also smart, chances are he wasn´t that attractive while he was growing up." What does being smart have to do with being ugly while growing up?
To me, creativity and compassion are the most attractive traits that a person can have. However being beautiful can definitely open doors for a person in this world.
It must be April 1st because this is obviously a joke. Marilyn Monroe, Britney Spears, Beyonce, Cardi B, Tom Cruise, Justin Bieber, Brad Pitt...the list goes on. Lol
I want to appear more intelligent so that people will pay attention to me (because attention is currency in the marketplace of ideas). I hate doing beauty work though 😖 It feels so inauthentic
I think "beauty work" feels inauthentic to a lot of people. It's just not something that's ever talked about. Then again, it could be that many people never pause to reflect on how inauthentic they really are.
I see where you are coming from because I was/am one of the few people who could do beauty type work despite having uni degrees etc. It used to annoy me to be seen as just a creature of beauty but basically dumb, because I happened to to bits of modelling and creative activities and like "beautiful anything". And, to cap it all off, I am blonde and female, too. The classic " dumb blonde" package. But I eventually concluded that whatever most people think is irrelevant to me. All that matters is what I and people I like and respect think and feel. Intelligence takes many forms and can be defined and seen in many forms. Like the way a person lives their own life, copes with problems etc. You definitely do not nerd university degrees to prove you ate an intelligent human being. Nor do you need to be rich and successful in the conventional way. You can be poor and still very intelligent, successful, too. For instance if you are living the sort of life you truly love. For artistic, spiritual type people, that is often a life where the pursuit of truth or beauty in its many forms eg art, nature, ingenuity etc is all that matters. And they are happiest doing that. Whatever the rest of society values is unimportant to them. They are freed from the shackles of sheep like conformism to certain irrelevant, unimportant ideas, values etc the rest blindly adhere to (and are often enslaved by eg quest for materialistic wealth). Do, who is the most successful in reality? The contented creative beauty lover with little or the miserable rich materialistic type with everything? It's all relative. You to not have to live up to anybody else's expectations or yardstick of success. Only your own and that of people who mean something to you.
@@jazmine9570 I’ve been told I’m very attractive (some people even go as far as labelling me a “pretty boy”) but I suffer from lifelong body dysmorphia so my physical sense of self is extremely skewed. I agree with both of y’all’s statements about beauty/neuroticism seeming to correlate, as well as intelligence. Along with BD and extreme ADHD, I have also realize I carry paranoia traits as well. I’m not trying to make a pity party with this shit, just wanted to chime into the conversation.
Where I live in Europe high schools are separated based on intelligence you really notice this where I live the few attractive people in these lower lever schools I noticed from my personal relationships with them that they often aren’t stupid most of the time more ignorant towards education cause if they’re background but tend to excel in something else like sports or art
Very interesting. Especially in light of the notion that men love blondes more, but there's an entourage of dumb blonde jokes out there. I would like to be wiser, but I'm afraid that comes with age and how well the world around is being perceived. Then again, I have known some fairly daft elderly people. 😄 All is subject anyway. Thank you, Dr. Grande. 👍❄
My theory is that blonde girls get a free ride or an easier time, so they don't need to be smart. They learn this early and also that being simpler lends to their 'wounded bird' feel (for want of a better term) and so they pretend not to be smart. This grows on them and they become this, helping to in turn grow the myth of the dumb blonde.
I’d be interested to know how attractiveness was measured here. I think intelligence does to some extent shine through as a gleam in the eye or an expression on the face, to some extent at least, making more intelligent people seem a bit more attractive than less intelligent people with the same features. (Hairstyle and clothes could also be a factor.) It also depends what they mean by successful people improving their attractiveness. You suggested that this was by plastic surgery (I can’t remember whether explicitly or implicitly), but there are far more ways. People who are more intelligent and/or more successful are more likely to eat more healthily - Richmond upon Thames is the least overweight constituency in the U.K., I believe. Rich people are more likely to use good hair and skin products. Successful people are more likely to be competitive and thus more likely to exercise. Conversely, attractive people are treated better, so they are more likely to flourish in school and maximize their intelligence. So even if there *is* a correlation, there are lots of factors as to why.
At 9:25, Dr. Grande, using a stereotype and laughing at it gracefully. :) People need to define what is "being" intelligent, in contrast with "appearing" intelligent. What it comes down to is what happens when you meet someone who delves into the subject that you "appear" to be intelligent about on a much deeper level than needed. A number of people would view someone too knowledgable on a subject that they themselves don't know much about as arrogant, but that is a projection of their own feeling of insecurity on a particular subject. I find that you get more out of being genuinely invested in what the person is telling you, asking questions, or being lighthearted, and that it makes the encounter relatively agreeable for both parties involved, as well as memorable positively for both people.
I always thought that someone can be physically attractive on the outside but that may change once they open their mouth. Kind, loving people will appear more beautiful and those who are rude, mean appear less attractive.... these are my thoughrs
thebarky1988 I think you’re deluding yourself-and/or are a woman. I’ve met plenty of hot but mean people. I still wanted to fuck many of them. I’m a dude. This goes for most guys I know. Crazy might be a different story, but just snobbish or even mean? Eh. Doesn’t mean I’d want a relationship, but a quick shag? Why not?
Ummmm, I think i can safely say that all of us at some point in time have found ourselves speaking to a very lovely looking individual, but zero going on upstairs.. so, hmmm. You also prob aren't going to convince me that Anna N. Smith was a genius
As always, thought provoking, Dr. Grande. Apparently whether mate selection is female driven or male driven is a variable of the evolution of beauty in the animal kingdom. For instance, many male birds have evolved a flashy appearance radically different from that of the female. But in other animal species, where the strong male tends to have a harem, herd, pack, etc. this hasn't occurred...........
There may be a part of intelligence which is genetic and cross selected, but attractiveness may also affect intelligence devellopement. Attractive people may have less challenges in life and may not devellop their intellect as much, but we could also think they may have more opportunities to experiment than unnatractive people. Beauty and intelligence may be cross selected but i think the subject is more complex. Attractiveness is not constant. You have late bloomers, people going sour fastly and other staying attractive while older. I dont think intelligence is selected in the same way in each stage of life.
Women during their youth (child bearing) are at peak of perceived attractiveness. So they would possibly be selected on that basis, even if that beauty faded in old age.
I wonder if those that are "physically attractive" have their confidence with their appearance transfer in their IQ test. Maybe one has less doubt in themself and go with their first answer instead of second guessing themself and switching their answer. Real interesting subject you picked Dr. Grande.
Also, physically attractive people may get more opportunities in the workplace which could lead to learning more, applying skills earlier in their career, etc. leading others to believe they may be more intelligent.
Weird. I've always thought the opposite. Sure, there are smart people who are good-looking. But in my experience *extremely* intelligent people are always plain-looking at best and often much worse. Whereas extremely good-looking people tend to be a bit on the dim side. The stereotype of the dweeby nerd and dumb jock exist for a reason. So I would have thought, if anything, there would be a negative correlation.
"Becoming more physically attractive is far more difficult" Becoming more physically attractive is actually pretty damn simple compared to cutting time off how fast you can run a mile.. You can increase one's physical attractiveness by a standard deviation in one day, by simply giving them a hair cut and changing their cloths. Try improving your time running that mile by a standard deviation in the same time. Physical attraction is not some magical concept... Are some people naturally more attractive than others? Of course. But that tends to boil down to facial symmetry & appropriately masculine/feminine features (which are indicators of high fertility in both genders) Yes.. physical attractiveness is really that simple.. yes humans are THAT basic.. get over it.. So you want to be more my physically attractive? Hit the gym and do the above. Incidentally, while a new hair cut may not make you more intelligent, hitting the gym can have profound benefits upon cognitive performance. This is because the increased blood flow to the brain from exercising helps promote healthy neural growth/development. Incidentally, the above is likely the actual connection between being 'beautiful' and intelligent. Some people just have lovely faces, which again comes down to facial symmetry. Which indicates the individual had a healthy prenatal development. Which correlates to healthy early brain development, which would indicate the individual to be of at least average intelligence. I don't know why people pretend things are so much more complicated than this. Are there outliers? Of course. But there are outliers in all fields of study. This is why outliers are typically excluded and studies focus upon the average/mean results.
Of course appearing to be more intelligent is as great an advantage as actually being more intelligent. Politicians, bankers, teachers, con persons. All depend on the appearance over reality. If not, they would use their intelligence to do something constructive, unless of course they are sincerely trying to help others, which in our current system, is less likely.
You might be smart but not academically inclined. How you comprehend things and understand the world are clues to real intellect and your husband has picked up on that. 'Funny' often goes together with intellect.
The general perception has always been that more beautiful you are, the less intelligent people assume you are. Nobody looks at the supermodels on the runway and think they have an IQ in triple digits. The same way if you mention a person who has an IQ over 170, people don’t imagine them having a face like Brad Pitt’s. Usually it’s a very very rare thing to find a person who happens to be very intelligent and also very (objectively) beautiful. That is why the stereotypical terms coined by many societies are along the lines of “stupid bimbo” or “that unattractive nerd who gets A’s in all the classes”. That doesn’t mean there isn’t any intelligent person who also happens to have a gorgeous face but like I said it is very RARE to find someone truly physically objectively gorgeous and who is extremely intelligent. Therefore I disagree with suggestion that beauty and intelligent correlates. Beautiful people do get more opportunities though , and a well-proportioned, pleasant looking face gives off a better first impression and warms up peoples initial views of you and disarms people , so beauty definitely helps open a lot of doors in people’s careers. But still despite this subconscious pull/draw of the beauty where the beautiful people already have an advantage over ugly people, we humans still come to equate intelligence with either average or below average attractiveness. For example, when somebody mentions the word “genius”, Einstein comes to most people’s minds and he was objectively speaking far from a good looking dude. I think in the high intelligence percentage group, we are likely to find mostly average looking people, and then some unattractive people, and only very very few gorgeous people.
Extremely interesting. I never knew there was a significant correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence. It does seem have to do with evolution, and positive traits being passed down in certain lucky individuals.
Did the big study (USA and UK) also include the social class of the people? Poor people are more likely to be overweight than rich or middle class people (in the first world). Money can have a great impact to our appearance in general and of course to education and IQ. Social class for sure has the biggest impact on IQ by far!
This is good! I do believe beauty is so subjective! I have found, in my limited experience, that the most attractive thing about a man beyond the way he looks, and even his intelligence/wisdom; is knowing who he is. And attributes like love, leadership, and kindness. I think those things are the most beautiful. Unfortunately, everyone seems so damaged now a days and extremely insecure! I firmly believe that before you find a mate, you need to be whole..which is why I need to be single.. Not perfect, but whole. Great video Dr. Grande!
Comment 219: 2363 views. Wanted to watch this before getting onto the dark Triad video; however each of your videos have such very helpful info. I love the link between beauty and attractiveness. 🤪🤪🤪🤪😀🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪 Thanks Dr, Grande.😄
Yes and no. What you find beautiful might be subjective, yet there are general assumptions about what is beautiful. Symmetry, good hair, bone structure, height and even voice.
@@@ichx8 even everything you have mentioned is subjective. "Good hair" can mean Afro hair to Africans, and it isn't "good" to Caucasians. The same with large buttocks, thick lips, broad noses... it's subjective.
@@Martin Beberman that is subjective. "Clear skin" is subjective to tribes in the Amazon or parts of Asia or Africa where face tattoos, facial scars etc do not keep skin "clear". I think you are proving my point. Beauty is subjective.
@@Ad-Lo the irony is even broad noses and big lips are seen as a negative aspect in Africa. Women from the horn of Africa are seen as more attractive than the ones with "Bantu Features" like I have been told before. There's a certain commonality about what people find beautiful and not beautiful
Good video. Have you seen the study where people were able to guess the IQs of strangers by looking at pictures of their faces, to a statistically greater than random degree of accuracy? And throw in that we now have some evidence to support physiognomy. It all makes perfect sense to me - when you´re looking at beauty, you´re looking at genes. More koinophilia, less mutations, stronger genes, higher SMV, higher intelligence, all correlated to some degree, though certainly not perfectly.
In my experience and travels in many countries, I've noticed more attractive people who came from a poor peasant / farmers / villager background than their wealthier more educated urbanized counterparts
Seems more like this is the 'halo effect' whereby people view beautiful people more positively than ugly people rather than something that can actually be measured.
I always ask to my mother before I even had my Nursing degree how did employers know that I was so intelligent considering they spoke to me for 10 minutes. A mother said all you had to do was open your mouth. It's the way you speak it's the way you carry yourself it's just the way you come across and people can see that. Of course I had a very low opinion of myself and could not understand until quite recently. I had very low self-esteem and was horribly bullied at school I came from a wealthy family which was my first strike I had a nearly perfect body which was my second strike and I was taller than everybody in the school which was my third strike. The girls didn't like me because I was pretty the boys didn't like me because I was tall and none of them liked me because I was smarter than them. I can't explain how long it took me to come away from the mindset that I was garbage!
Interesting because I've always associated physically attractive people with less intelligence and that seems to have been the general narrative among people in my area. Which is often reinforced when I witness it first hand while dating. In my experience, the prettier the woman is, the less she has to rely on anything of value because her beauty opens up opportunities she would never have if she was 'ugly' or less attractive. Intelligence can lead to over thinking and procrastination which can lead to fear of taking action, which results in many missed opportunities. I have two extremely intelligence friends who are both 350 or more pounds of fat and both of them are college graduates. Both of them are also jobless and poor. Intelligence isn't measured by confidence but confidence leads to opportunities in dating and life. A confident person will get a promotion simply because they made an effort. Even though that person likely isn't the most qualified for the position. 90 percent of people who quit their jobs do it because of incompetent and unqualified toxic managers. While at the same time, those people are more likely to be successful with dating and general income just because they made the effort. Confidence is attractive, success is typically a result of being confident and confidence will attract good looking partners, even if one of them is mediocre in the looks department. If being attractive is associated with intelligence and success, it's likely because it's more common for these people to have confidence based on their looks. However, it's still a far shot from being able to say that good looking people are intelligent. How often do we meet a sexy scientist or doctor? Ironically enough, studies have shown that good looking people in those professions are often perceived as less intelligent based on how good looking they happen to be, even if it's not the case.
The consensus from anthropologist and scientist in general is that “race” is a social construct and doesn’t really have any utility when it comes to biological classification. It’s pseudoscience.
唐三藏 He saying if the scientist with actual credentials in STEM disagrees with his layman opinion on race, he will plug his ears and scream “leftist cultist!!”.
@Actionbastard talking about it wouldnt devalue anything, as long as what he talked about made sense. i mean i havent seen many asians winning the 100m, and im yet to see a gypsy getting into university.. anyway its a good topic! especially if he wants to generate discussion :p
@唐三藏 since i see absolutely no sarcasm here, i will answer this fully and honestly. if racial differences exist (and imo they do), they should be embraced as something good, not something to argue about. i will be the first to cheer both for the black guy dunking over the 3pt line, and for the jew that wins the 5th nobel physics prize in a row. its like playing an rpg game. you like your melee char, but also your archer and your mage. you dont expect the archer to hit someone with a 2h weapon, but you dont bitch about that, do you? you give him a fucking bow because thats what hes made for.
I have a question that may make a good video for others! Especially with my anxiety, I am often searching for answers to questions like this: I want to know if anxious/ people with poor social skills are perceived as less intelligent by others. A lot of times I'd be too scared to stand up for myself or afraid to just answer what i knew in a conversation. Im not sure why, but I let them believe I just didn't know things. A feeling I get maybe, like being addicted to feeling bad. I can't make eye contact. I wonder if people perceive me as less intelligent bc of this, less confident, therefore less intelligent han what i really am. I never really tried in school. When I did, I get a or bs ( except hifhschool math wben i switched schools). I never did my work, and why would I try, I felt inferior to everyone else. When I was doing better than everyone else, I'd stop. I don't think I'm smart. I don't know where I am on iq scale, but I believe somewhere on the average. .Room for improvement, anyways. I just wonder if people look at me and think I'm dumber than what I actually am. Lol
Women prefer intelligent men bc they are interesting. So, if men prefer beautiful women, do they also want brains? I actually do know a lot of couples my millennial children's age where an average looking but very smart guy, marries a really pretty -- and also smart -- gal!
I think this expectation is truer for girls than for guys. Don’t be too caught up by it. Just a stupid cultural or maybe biologically rooted stereotype so men don’t have to feel doubly intimidated by a good looking AND intelligent woman. Or maybe there’s another reason I’m not thinking of.
I've never been compatible with the most attractive people I've dated (from my perspective) - because there's a lack of depth. But I guess depth isn't necessarily intelligence. And intelligence seems subjective.
This hammers the argument that caring about looks is superficial. They don't factor that looks are supposed to represent physical health and that the better you look, typically, the healthier you are. Of course, this has been distorted through the use of makeup and, more recently, cosmetic surgeries. Yuck. Rocktagon boobs. Oooh... Dr. Grande. Can you do a video on body positivity people and the like? The people who try to convince overweight and obese people that they should just not do anything about their weight, diet, and generally self-destructive habits... because their wittwe feewings are more important than their actual health.
@@ChineseChicken1 Interesting looking, at the very least -- striking, especially as he got older. Cool hat, too. (Hard to find in online pics; I have it in several books -- yes, I am a nerd.) His profile at "atomic archive" has a pic of it.... 🎩
Living life - you see all kinds people with unattractive mates. It is hard to define attractiveness because everyone's opinion varies. I think that could be the difference between the U.K. and the United States version of the studies that you cite. You can clearly see looking at the U.K's royal family members that their opinion of good looking people great differs from what we consider good looking in the United States. Then take into consideration age factors. You see all the time some high level CEO with a much younger woman. Sometimes the younger woman is not that attractive, but because of her youth they label her as a trophy wife. That is why labeling beauty is a hard factor to concur.
In terms of Iq the majority of people in the top 2% of the population of iq tend to not be the most caring of their own appearance. I would guess that the most attractive men would be around the 115-120 iq level which is where most of the most successful salesmen, marketers, and entrepreneurs are. I would also hypothesize that physical attractiveness could be more closer correlated to Eq or emotional Intelligence.
some of the correlation between iq and attractiveness might be explained by the fact that some illnesses cause cognitive aswell as aesthetic problems. for example down syndrom. so maybe unintelligent people are likely to have a reason for their lack, that can also cause a lack of beauty.
I believe attractive people may get more opportunities. People may give them more help in college, better jobs that combined with some ambition will create one better trained. Also according to Jordan Peterson a child's IQ will increase with greater parent attention. This may be a factor. To believe IQ is primarily inherited feom high IQ parents and is static I believe is false. There are always examples of average IQ parents who have a very high IQ child or children. Many parents also encourage and work with kids to help improve their learning abilities. You also stated in a previous video how people can be intelligent and not score well on IQ tests. I also believe people who have an outgoing personality with some confidence seem to easily come up with the right things to say in public so they come off intelligent and believable. Physical attractiveness may play a part in this. Another influence is how people come off in public if they are socially shy or have anxieties while publicly speaking. It is said President Bushs IQ would drop by 30 points while publicly speaking.
Also prevalent in some natural, more hip communities (not sure how else to briefly describe what's meant by that). Places where the rule of conformity is to wear zero makeup. Non-conformists are seen as less evolved.
Raw intelligence is almost genitic or physiological I think. Some people are essentially wired different. We all have the capacity to learn and expand our understanding of things though. I also think being attractive affords many opportunities to an individual.
Before I watched the video, my layman's theory is that smart men had high status, tended to have better incomes, more successful, and therefore were able to attract a trophy wife who is mostly hot, but possibly somewhat intelligent as well. That continues to passes on through the generation. Their offspring is smarter and more attractive, and then they seek mates who are also smart and/or attractive.
Noticed something. Dont know if there is merit to it. Ive noticed we tend to easily give more to attractive people. More attention...more love...more time. Where some avoid giving to unattractive people. So in education we might subconsciously feel more enthusiastic to focus on a cute child than a not so cute child. Leading to one being more exposed to new ideas than the other. The not so attractive child kind of has to fend for themselves and find it within to educate themselves where as the attractive child may find others are more willing to teach them. Just an observation. Might be completely wrong.
There's an old song that goes "If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife..." which is BS, but this lecture reminds me of it. Very interesting Dr. Grande.
Beauty doesn’t correlate with intelligence. Cats are beautiful aren’t they? They’re a lot less intelligent than monkeys who are less beautiful by most people’s - subjective - opinion.
@@Wackaz you sound insecure lol do you find yourself unattractive? Does it bother you that someone attractive could *gasp* have intellect too? Sheeeeiz - not the brightest bulb in the room - both in and out.
I always wondered why I was so fucking intelligent, charming, beautiful, charismatic, athletic and humble. Thank
I love that you didn't even properly sign-off with a 'Thank you." LMAO
That ending LMAO
@@MagneticNorthbound FOR REAL 💀
i know what you mean LOL
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I think good looking people are less stressed... it just makes it easier to learn in that type of situation.
That’s very interesting. You could develop the idea more.
I really appreciate your opinion, Dr. Grande. Liked!
I’ve been binging your newer videos and it took me off guard to see you chuckle a bit and smile. Nice 😊
“Like all research articles, they’re fun to read” ehhhh hahah
I've never heard this before and considering I attended one of the best colleges in the world I assure you it's not true 😂🤣👍🏽
Maybe you skipped on math class.
You haven't been in a modern university or highschool my friend. Id argue the more conventionally attractive (I.e you can just post a picture of yourself on social media and get attention just for your looks) you are the less you focus on "hard intelligence" (STEM). Last time i remembered the "cool attractive kids" weren't in calculus with me. In fact most of them have dropped out. The "dreamboat" from my highschool moved to LA to become an actor and i never heard from him again, another attractive guy never really tried in high school, tried starting up a modeling career after he graduated and i think he's cooking steaks at the keg now. I have no clue what any of the "hot girls" are up to anymore, they all died on social media and i don't hear stories about them at uni, some of them are in midwife programs i think, and most of the others are waiting tables.
The question is: are beauty and intelligence found statistically together because intelligent men find beautiful women and their child recieves both benefits or the higher the beauty the higher the intelligence in general regardless of where it comes from?
I'm a genius, but I'm ugly
For me, it's the reverse. I'm ugly, but a genius.
@@PreferredMethods you're sweet. I think I'm interesting to look at, but no where near pretty. But I'm beautiful on the inside, and am at peace.
What about the issue of how attractive people get more positive reinforcement? I certainly believe that emotional problems or lack of them affect the ability to learn. Attractive and appealing children are going to get more positive reinforcement from teachers and other authority figures. No, that's not fair, but it's just the way it is. And this is going to hold true not only throughout someone's educational career, but even when they are learning new skills or a new job, attractive people get more positive reinforcement from others around them. I certainly believe that these factors affect intelligence, or at least how intelligent people appear, and so physical appearance does in fact have a positive effect on a person's intelligence.
Logically, not necessarily. Consider 2 isolated populations that mostly mate within themselves and only occasionally is there some genetic exchange between these 2 populations.
Within each population, there is a correlation between beauty and intelligence, but if you group the two populations together, there won’t be correlation.
This model better describes the situation in our current world: different race/ethnicity groups have been more or less genetically isolated for hundreds of thousands of years and only recently have we come together into a more mixed population. In such a mixed population, I don’t expect any correlation between beauty and intelligence.
My experience is the exact opposite. The most ignorant people I've ever met are beautiful. "There is NO LINK between intelligence and Beauty" - Quasimoto
Speaking of beauty, love your tie-shirt combo.
Agreed
Gotta agree! Very handsome. Does that mean it is intelligent? Ha ha!
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word those are good duds
Dr. Grande is looking fine today!
I love how impartial and objective your explanations and points of view are.
We learn how to do this in University. Avoiding bias
"A woman's attractiveness predicts the intelligence of her mate." That's super rich T-Shirt content right there, Dr. Grande.
hahahahaha...
I'm with ugly!!
There is a confound there (unless the research design included a control). Attractiveness is associated with money/status. So a woman's attractiveness may be an effect of her access to money.
Did someone say "Tee-shirt?" FUCK ME: I'M A GENIUS
Kevin Hornbuckle
5:14 Doc says not a good argument ..
"Appearing more intelligent may not help too much." You've never had a job interview I take it?
I think he means that once you get the job you're gonna be found out. Just be you.
@@bethanyudonome4219 That's often untrue. It can be much easier to keep a job than it was to get it.
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Todd shows up for an interview, five minutes later he is interviewing them
If your EI is high like your IQ, your sophisticated enough to recognize your audience tailoring speech to connect. Otherwise, how intelligent are you without self knowing enough to adapt to the environmental and social conditions occuring. Ie you couldn't blend in to get in, undercover people are scary intelligent for this reason.
Dr. Grande, you must have a very beautiful wife ❤
My thoughts exactly!
@LogicianTenderstone She’s calling him intelligent using the context of this video, and apparently Dr. G. agrees with her, seeing as he liked her comment. Please enlighten us on how this is ignorant and sexist. Thanks!
@LogicianTenderstone are you actually saying this unironically? 😂
I have a beautiful wife too.
The wife In my mind.
@@deadeyedblack2350 I misread: "unicornically" :)
I had two women who raised me. My grandmother and my mother. My grandmother had a very bad case of a severely disfiguring genetic illness. She was withdrawn, of course, but also very kind, patient, loving, supportive. My mother was an extremely attractive woman with a vicious temper. When she started a verbal assault you were afraid it was going to get to the point where you would be killed but by the time she finished you were hoping you could die. She was smart and very savvy because she knew how to put on a good front when she needed to. She was a master manipulator. Just because someone is intelligent and/or good-looking it absolutely is no indicator of whether they are a nice person.
Extremely true!
Your mother, if she chose to be a good person would be more good than any person who was only harmless and couldnt hurt a fly if they wanted to
Your mother sounds like mine and my grandmother was a very kind patient person too not my mother she was very short tempered
"Do you think I'm stupid?" "I think you are really beautiful."
hahahaha
Late bloomers often spend time reading, or cultivating intelligence through hobbies.
When they “bloom” as adults they are surprised to be considered attractive. I think that’s why many attractive people are intelligent and seek out like minded mates.
I’ve always been told I was really smart maybe not school wise since I never paid attention but I can still pay attention at any point of the lesson and know more than everyone else but I was never really attractive until after puberty (looking half adult and child) so I think I’d be considered a late bloomer but I think it’s better to grow up that way so you know what it’s like to not have the special treatment from being a 10 and know it’s only bc of how you look and u get to better see the world (for attractive people so they don’t get spoiled and everything done for them in school Like I did and be better prepared and actually do shit for your self
@@Bbbbbfs I was awkward from age 8 through 13, then I blossomed. My personality is affected by those years of awkwardness. I don’t have the confidence or social success an attractive person should have.
@@genxx2724 better than my situation, I'm 16 and I don't see that "blossom" ever coming to me, but hey, I don't know you or your life and you me, so what do I know
@@markrose8440 Work out in the gym. A good physique, good posture, good haircut, and clothes that fit well make a man special.
@@genxx2724 This happened to me too, but I wonder about your comment. What confidence or social success do you think an attractive person SHOULD have, exactly? This is achieved through time. Work on your career. You will gain confidence through achieving goals, never through superficial attractiveness. Take my word for it. I've been in commercials, modeled, many other "attractiveness" related things. I'm middle aged now. Your other comment about "make a man special", you need to get over yourself.
I keep thinking back to being a kid and the adults yelling things like, "Try to look and act like you got some sense!" I guess they didn't even know how useful that advice was. HAHA
In my experiences in absorbing, I’ve noticed more of average looking people seemed to have the higher IQ.
This is exactly my experience too my friend.
could be because there's more average looking people than beatiful.
@@jetrouski76 bingo
Seems to me that high IQ people are usually unattractive. Look at the highest rated chess players, and famous scientists. Almost all of them are unattractive. Even people like Bill Gates and Elon Musk.
I think another reason this theory might tend to be predictive is that attractive people are more likely to have opportunities; especially in the job market (this is provable), and also in school. If an attractive kid gets more and better attention from his teachers and later has more favorable job opportunities, might that lead to higher IQ scores?
All very good points.
@Laughingathwrld Just like most humans love gold. Anything that stands out we care about it. If it’s a predator we run away, if it’s something we want or other people want, we run forwards it
@Laughingathwrld We didn't "evolve"
IQ is fixed. It generally doesn't grow, but remains the same. Achievement on the other hand can change.
@Laughingathwrld we think that human were selecting traits that would increase their chances of having viable offspring. Beauty means healthy.
Physical fitness is associated with attractiveness. Physical fitness also improves a persons mental state. Achieving physical fitness (if you arent naturally fit) also requires intelligence, conscientiousness, persistence and willpower...
There are millions of intelligent people in the world who aren't physically fit. Having willpower, persistence and motivation are attributes of a healthy mental state, which is not correlated with intelligence.
@@WackazSomebody who uses their intelligence in all areas of their lives to attain greater mental and physical health and wellbeing is clearly far more intelligent than somebody who follows contraproductive and self sabotaging behaviors and only applies their intelligence in a few narrow domains.
@@Wackaz Being physically fit is good for intelligence. If you aren't physically fit, you're gonna be further from your "intelligence ceiling" than if you were fit. And, long term, your body as a whole (including your brain) will degrade if you don't take care of it
Intelligent people may be consciousness (and trust me many also aren't), but they will more often than others put their focus into activities/ occupations, which challenge them cognitively rather than physically. In my experience people with high intelligence are considerably less interested in physical fitness and activities than others. You won't meet the most intelligent people in a fitness studio but rather in a science or mathematics course at an university. Students especially in some of the most cognitively challenging courses aren't most of the time physical fit. Probably even below average. Is such behavior sensible? No, but being intelligent doesn't make one act reasonable and sensible automatically. High intelligence isn't required to live a good and healthy life. It even might be an obstacle to do so as high intelligence correlates with mental illness.
@@IsomerSoma You are talking about a societal stereotype which has no scientific basis. We know with plenty of evidence that keeping physically active, fit and in shape is a tremendous contributor to physical AND mental health, wellbeing and cognitive performance (including intelligence). Neglecting your body to focus on tasks of cognition simply is not intelligent, it is in fact dumb. Because we know without any shred of doubt that cognition is substantially impaired by a body in bad shape.
Just brainstorming here, but I think it's easier to be in the beautiful/intelligent range of this study than most are assuming. :) If I heard the video correctly, the study considered people to be beautiful or intelligent if they were in the top 50% of society. If you've been to Walmart lately, think about how many people are in there. It's pretty easy to be in the top 50% in there. LOL
People considered 'intelligent' are likely constantly working out their brain and making it work better. They are more likely to make themselves look neat and put-together on the outside and make some decent choices as far as eating and general health. They'd be more likely to fix their hair, wear clean clothes, and have good posture and some confidence. Those things alone make a person more attractive than the other half of the population who gave up on themselves a long time ago. People who gave up on their outward appearance likely have very low self-esteem and as a result, don't believe in themselves enough to work towards intelligence. I also want to point out that people in the 'beautiful' range are still not likely 'beautiful' at all hours of the day or 100% of their lives. They were just the ones who were able to make themselves look beautiful long enough to be considered that for the study.
So I guess what all my rambling concludes is that 'beauty' for this study was people who look neat, clean, and healthy.
People who were 'intelligent' in this study just had to have more sense than 50% of the population. That's not so hard to do these days. HAHA
*I'm mostly joking around. :)
This is a realistic summary, I think.
This makes sense
Even if you dress better than 80% of people, your physical attractiveness will still be limited by your facial and body structure. There’s only so much you can do. Still, I agree it’s worth doing whatever you can. I am physically (facially) attractive yet treat my body like shit. If a guy with a 5 face and a six-pack competes with me, some people might favor him.
@@chaostheory16 Well developed social skills might make up for being overweight, but as for pure looks (tinder is a great example of this in action) you won't even be considered. Being fit will make you more attractive, no matter your natural looks. Though your chance(starting point) is relative according to your natural looks(bone structure, etc...)
Look at Chris Pratt - he wasn't considered especially attractive before he became fit. The inverse is also true. Christian Bale in american hustle put on a lot of pounds for the screen and though his good looks saved him from 'ugliness', few would deem him attractive. You'd have to be in denial to reject the correlation.
There's a fine line between genius and lunacy. Go back a few decades (before universities were as profit-driven as they are these days) and think of the "mad professor" trope. Some of these highly intelligent people do not do a particularly good job of presenting themselves.
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Look at people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. By and large, they are not frantically good looking. (I've also heard some claims that Jobs wasn't really into hygiene.)
I like intelligence. I think it’s a turn on. I want to learn from a potential partner; his life, his likes, his ways and more. Idealistically we should compliment each other. Fall in like and then potentially in love with their soul. Since I’m legally blind, beauty to me Isn’t about physicality...tho I think in time all that is superficial will fade. •shrugs•
Sounds beautiful.
@Babbling Along Thank you!
Haha @RegO true, Siri would make a horrible companion. Personality counts, dry sense of humor, dark sense of humor, eh well
hmm an actual sense of humor… helps. Laughter can often get you through the door. The ability to hold a conversation, now that’s imperative. I think it’s beautiful to witness someone passionate about life, or at least passionate about what they’re doing in their‘s. How would you define intelligence?
@shapeshifter time traveller ... what a horribly bigoted thing to type. ☹️
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough. And irritating. If you like to learn, marry a teacher or professor but intelligence in my opinion is very overrated as a positive trait as it allows people to take advantage of others, for domination in social contexts (which women like, but they are not angels either) and last but not least the technological advance it allows for is threatening to severely fuck up the climate/environment/enonomy (automatization/monopoly).
I read title 7 times.
Me: *still don't belive it* 🤨
Me: *passing the mirror.*
Ok. I get it now... 😏
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You are too funny! Thx 4 a great chuckle :D
Beautiful people are intelligent? That's news to me lol and goes against my experience. However generalizations are lazy so I'm sure you will break this down nicely Dr. Grande. Whoever asked this is probably high on the narcissistic spectrum, I would assume.
I was sceptic too... But I think... Maybe doc ment 'halo effect'? 🤔
Definitely sounds like a question a narcissistic individual would ask.
@@mbuszka5295 I'll have to see when I watch the video. Unfortunately I haven't gotten around to it yet
Yes, I've never heard that before; but we all heard that BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ARE STUPID. Photo models, blonde bombshells with air in their heads, Zoolander... Men being shamed when they prefer women who are sexy and don't care about what's inside their head. Beauty is always regarded as superficial, and beautiful people as superficial.
But that’s an assumption...that a narcissist would ask that. :)
Anyone who is curious could ask. Maybe someone observed some things that made them wonder...or is questioning their own narratives and want Dr Grandes opinion.
Your assumption means that you’ve established beliefs about the questioner without having that info. Meaning you applied meaning or a story to the question... most humans do this. It’s good to recognize, be introspective and wonder at our biases, false narratives that may warp our lenses...creating such assumptions.
A person who is victim to a narcissist who claims that “beautiful people are more intelligent” could have asked this too...
We humans take a small bit of info and create the whole pic around it & it’s rarely correct. The more info, the more questions we ask, the less judgment we apply...more chance our assessment is closer to accurate.
Just consider, not all is as we believe... most of the time 😊
There is no true beauty without some strangeness in its proportion. So true, look at Sophia Loren.
Can't get much more beautiful than she was. I remember when there was Rachel Welch, Elizabeth Taylor, and Sophia Loren, and then there were all the other women in the world.
My high school psychologist told me that I scored 154 on the I.Q. test that he administered, but no one has ever accused me of being good looking. Even the women I've dated haven't tried to tell me that I'm good looking; they've said things like, "Looks aren't important to me." I certainly couldn't be described as "high status," either. (I abandoned a career in mechanical engineering in order to teach; I now work as a substitute teacher, which is about as low status as a person can get.) I suspect that the correlation between a woman's attractiveness and the status of her husband is much stronger than the correlation between a woman's attractiveness and the intelligence of her husband. I suspect that the correlation between a woman's attractiveness and her husband's attractiveness is stronger, too. I don't think that homely, intelligent men who fail to achieve high status have much luck finding attractive wives.
I concur sir.
I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. Not every person that is intelligent (there are different types of intelligence) need be succesful, but generally in order to become succesful you need to be intelligent enough. There are other factors, of course. Yes, you are a teacher, which is only middle class, but that is by choice. You could have done much more with your life (you gave up an engineering career) if you had chosen this.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a substitute teacher!
@@bexiebrooks1583 He’s not saying that there is something wrong, but there is no denying that it is not a high status job primarely because of the low income compared to other professions such as doctor, lawyer, engineer etc. He is right that really attractive women - at least most of them- try to go out with higher status men- upper middle class and upwards. Men who are teachers aren’t really seen as high value by the general female population. It is just natural for high status people to search for high status partners. I’ve rarely seen a male teacher with a model-like GF or wife. The pairs I’ve seen are mostly homely; their spouses look like the girl-next-door type.
@@ciobalina7445 You are right but also arent contradicting him.
Attractive people also have better interactions and kinder treatment, I can imagine this allows for better learning and more opportunities to learn/gain diverse experiences.
not necessary on the kinder...
8:00 - "Attractiveness is subjective and, of course, intelligence is subjective."
YES! Those were my thoughts exactly while listening to Dr. Grande explain the studies!
Thanks for another interesting video, Dr. Grande!
Yet we don't believe intelligence is subjective...
Dr Grande made a great job on this video
I tell myself intelligence is stublectiv all the time 🤣
@aaronsdavis So you're saying that all men are universally attracted to super models? I'm sure you haven't thought that through enough.
The thing is that you can't really define something such as beauty or intelligence because it depends on the view of the observer. So, yes, both are subjective.
Intelligence isn't necessarily subjective. In fact, there must be an absolute intelligence/God in order for any intelligence to be logically valid.
Excellence, in combination with confidence within that realm is generally perceived as more attractive, then ultimately perceived as a form of higher intelligence. Thank for your thoughtfulness & objectivity Doc.
What comes to my mind is the truism that the world is very unequal. Yes, absolutely. Beauty, intelligence, wealth, everything, in fact, worldly people desire - they are not equally distributed. Make the most of what God and nature gave you. Be thankful and generous to all.
1 thoughts.
1. Beautiful people tend to be more confident (as a result of how society treats them etc) and maybe that confidence lends them extra credibility.
2. In my experience, the intelligence of beautiful women is often underestimated as people often don't correleate beauty with intelligence in women (from what I've seen and heard).
Perceived as, yes.
In reality, no.
Watch the video
@Noise Injection what if someone was fat as a kid so thought of as ugly but began to lose weight and got to a point where he became skinny and now he looks really good?
@Leandro Aude "In fact, when you see a peculiarly attractive person who is also smart, chances are he wasn´t that attractive while he was growing up."
What does being smart have to do with being ugly while growing up?
"like all research papers they are fun to read"
not that i hate what i study, but i wish i had that outlook too.
Todd Grande: *watches Leaving Neverland*
Also Todd Grande: this is boring. I'm not a fan of boring things. Imma go read some research papers
if you read abstracts on topics your curious to know more about than they can be really fun
To me, creativity and compassion are the most attractive traits that a person can have.
However being beautiful can definitely open doors for a person in this world.
It must be April 1st because this is obviously a joke. Marilyn Monroe, Britney Spears, Beyonce, Cardi B, Tom Cruise, Justin Bieber, Brad Pitt...the list goes on. Lol
🏔i wondered if this was a US thing 🧚♀️ im always curious about behavior really helps in hospitality business 🧞♀️
I want to appear more intelligent so that people will pay attention to me (because attention is currency in the marketplace of ideas). I hate doing beauty work though 😖 It feels so inauthentic
I think "beauty work" feels inauthentic to a lot of people. It's just not something that's ever talked about. Then again, it could be that many people never pause to reflect on how inauthentic they really are.
i dont think its inauthentic... i think its just highlighting what you already are. And a form of communication.
I see where you are coming from because I was/am one of the few people who could do beauty type work despite having uni degrees etc. It used to annoy me to be seen as just a creature of beauty but basically dumb, because I happened to to bits of modelling and creative activities and like "beautiful anything". And, to cap it all off, I am blonde and female, too. The classic " dumb blonde" package. But I eventually concluded that whatever most people think is irrelevant to me. All that matters is what I and people I like and respect think and feel. Intelligence takes many forms and can be defined and seen in many forms. Like the way a person lives their own life, copes with problems etc. You definitely do not nerd university degrees to prove you ate an intelligent human being. Nor do you need to be rich and successful in the conventional way. You can be poor and still very intelligent, successful, too. For instance if you are living the sort of life you truly love. For artistic, spiritual type people, that is often a life where the pursuit of truth or beauty in its many forms eg art, nature, ingenuity etc is all that matters. And they are happiest doing that. Whatever the rest of society values is unimportant to them. They are freed from the shackles of sheep like conformism to certain irrelevant, unimportant ideas, values etc the rest blindly adhere to (and are often enslaved by eg quest for materialistic wealth). Do, who is the most successful in reality? The contented creative beauty lover with little or the miserable rich materialistic type with everything? It's all relative. You to not have to live up to anybody else's expectations or yardstick of success. Only your own and that of people who mean something to you.
from personal experience it seems related. but from my personal experience beauty/neuroticism seems related as well, so you may wanna doubt my sources
@@jazmine9570 I’ve been told I’m very attractive (some people even go as far as labelling me a “pretty boy”) but I suffer from lifelong body dysmorphia so my physical sense of self is extremely skewed. I agree with both of y’all’s statements about beauty/neuroticism seeming to correlate, as well as intelligence. Along with BD and extreme ADHD, I have also realize I carry paranoia traits as well. I’m not trying to make a pity party with this shit, just wanted to chime into the conversation.
Where I live in Europe high schools are separated based on intelligence you really notice this where I live the few attractive people in these lower lever schools I noticed from my personal relationships with them that they often aren’t stupid most of the time more ignorant towards education cause if they’re background but tend to excel in something else like sports or art
Very interesting. Especially in light of the notion that men love blondes more, but there's an entourage of dumb blonde jokes out there.
I would like to be wiser, but I'm afraid that comes with age and how well the world around is being perceived. Then again, I have known some fairly daft elderly people. 😄
All is subject anyway. Thank you, Dr. Grande. 👍❄
well, intelligent people get wise faster and if todays topic is true, you probably have an IQ of about 180 and will have enough wisdom before 30
@@dr.drakeramoray789 You're very kind. Thank you. ❤
@@dr.drakeramoray789 loooool what a simp
My theory is that blonde girls get a free ride or an easier time, so they don't need to be smart. They learn this early and also that being simpler lends to their 'wounded bird' feel (for want of a better term) and so they pretend not to be smart. This grows on them and they become this, helping to in turn grow the myth of the dumb blonde.
Physical attractiveness is an indicator for health/good development, health/good development is an indicator for intelligence
BS. I see lots of people who are genetically 'supermen' don't need to work out but are ripped/huge and they did not 'earn it'
Physical health? Yes.
Intelligence? No, I don´t think there´s any real corelation.
@@wildone106 You can't have muscle if you're not using it. You have to work out in one way or another, there is no way to be ripped just by breathing.
No not really.
I’d be interested to know how attractiveness was measured here. I think intelligence does to some extent shine through as a gleam in the eye or an expression on the face, to some extent at least, making more intelligent people seem a bit more attractive than less intelligent people with the same features. (Hairstyle and clothes could also be a factor.) It also depends what they mean by successful people improving their attractiveness. You suggested that this was by plastic surgery (I can’t remember whether explicitly or implicitly), but there are far more ways. People who are more intelligent and/or more successful are more likely to eat more healthily - Richmond upon Thames is the least overweight constituency in the U.K., I believe. Rich people are more likely to use good hair and skin products. Successful people are more likely to be competitive and thus more likely to exercise. Conversely, attractive people are treated better, so they are more likely to flourish in school and maximize their intelligence. So even if there *is* a correlation, there are lots of factors as to why.
At 9:25, Dr. Grande, using a stereotype and laughing at it gracefully. :)
People need to define what is "being" intelligent, in contrast with "appearing" intelligent.
What it comes down to is what happens when you meet someone who delves into the subject that you "appear" to be intelligent about on a much deeper level than needed.
A number of people would view someone too knowledgable on a subject that they themselves don't know much about as arrogant, but that is a projection of their own feeling of insecurity on a particular subject.
I find that you get more out of being genuinely invested in what the person is telling you, asking questions, or being lighthearted, and that it makes the encounter relatively agreeable for both parties involved, as well as memorable positively for both people.
I always thought that someone can be physically attractive on the outside but that may change once they open their mouth. Kind, loving people will appear more beautiful and those who are rude, mean appear less attractive.... these are my thoughrs
thebarky1988 I think you’re deluding yourself-and/or are a woman. I’ve met plenty of hot but mean people. I still wanted to fuck many of them. I’m a dude. This goes for most guys I know. Crazy might be a different story, but just snobbish or even mean? Eh. Doesn’t mean I’d want a relationship, but a quick shag? Why not?
@@chaostheory16 What you're talking about is shortsighted vapidity, and that isn't exclusive to either sex.
Ummmm, I think i can safely say that all of us at some point in time have found ourselves speaking to a very lovely looking individual, but zero going on upstairs.. so, hmmm. You also prob aren't going to convince me that Anna N. Smith was a genius
As always, thought provoking, Dr. Grande. Apparently whether mate selection is female driven or male driven is a variable of the evolution of beauty in the animal kingdom. For instance, many male birds have evolved a flashy appearance radically different from that of the female. But in other animal species, where the strong male tends to have a harem, herd, pack, etc. this hasn't occurred...........
I believe it's been shown that people will be more trusting to attractive people as well. Just part of human nature to assume these things, I suppose.
There may be a part of intelligence which is genetic and cross selected, but attractiveness may also affect intelligence devellopement.
Attractive people may have less challenges in life and may not devellop their intellect as much, but we could also think they may have more opportunities to experiment than unnatractive people.
Beauty and intelligence may be cross selected but i think the subject is more complex.
Attractiveness is not constant. You have late bloomers, people going sour fastly and other staying attractive while older. I dont think intelligence is selected in the same way in each stage of life.
Women during their youth (child bearing) are at peak of perceived attractiveness. So they would possibly be selected on that basis, even if that beauty faded in old age.
i had challenges all over my life and im still dumb -_-
I love you Dr. Grande , from the title I can only envision survival of the most beautiful. 😽lol, which I suppose is kinda true.
I wonder if those that are "physically attractive" have their confidence with their appearance transfer in their IQ test. Maybe one has less doubt in themself and go with their first answer instead of second guessing themself and switching their answer. Real interesting subject you picked Dr. Grande.
Really good point! I can see that happening because overall beautiful people tend to have more self confidence and belief in their abilities.
Also, physically attractive people may get more opportunities in the workplace which could lead to learning more, applying skills earlier in their career, etc. leading others to believe they may be more intelligent.
@@rubiesofgold7698 Definitely, all the time!
IQ tests are outdated, unreliable and ecologically invalid anyway.
Weird. I've always thought the opposite. Sure, there are smart people who are good-looking. But in my experience *extremely* intelligent people are always plain-looking at best and often much worse. Whereas extremely good-looking people tend to be a bit on the dim side. The stereotype of the dweeby nerd and dumb jock exist for a reason. So I would have thought, if anything, there would be a negative correlation.
"Becoming more physically attractive is far more difficult"
Becoming more physically attractive is actually pretty damn simple compared to cutting time off how fast you can run a mile..
You can increase one's physical attractiveness by a standard deviation in one day, by simply giving them a hair cut and changing their cloths.
Try improving your time running that mile by a standard deviation in the same time.
Physical attraction is not some magical concept... Are some people naturally more attractive than others? Of course.
But that tends to boil down to facial symmetry & appropriately masculine/feminine features (which are indicators of high fertility in both genders)
Yes.. physical attractiveness is really that simple.. yes humans are THAT basic.. get over it..
So you want to be more my physically attractive? Hit the gym and do the above. Incidentally, while a new hair cut may not make you more intelligent, hitting the gym can have profound benefits upon cognitive performance. This is because the increased blood flow to the brain from exercising helps promote healthy neural growth/development.
Incidentally, the above is likely the actual connection between being 'beautiful' and intelligent. Some people just have lovely faces, which again comes down to facial symmetry. Which indicates the individual had a healthy prenatal development. Which correlates to healthy early brain development, which would indicate the individual to be of at least average intelligence.
I don't know why people pretend things are so much more complicated than this. Are there outliers? Of course. But there are outliers in all fields of study. This is why outliers are typically excluded and studies focus upon the average/mean results.
you actually think hitting the gym is suddenly make you marriage material? ffs, what a shallow world you live in.
Of course appearing to be more intelligent is as great an advantage as actually being more intelligent. Politicians, bankers, teachers, con persons. All depend on the appearance over reality. If not, they would use their intelligence to do something constructive, unless of course they are sincerely trying to help others, which in our current system, is less likely.
This comment says alot about Your IQ
@@membersonly807 Thank you. I hope Dr Grande isn't upset by your praise.
Thank goodness my husband thinks I'm beautiful and funny. For some reason he thinks I'm smart but I'm not. I had to study harder than most people.
@@jazmine9570 It’s genetic for some
Intelligence is wise choices.
Well you look beautiful and working hard is smart!
@@fulltimerver2355 No its not. Intelligence can help you making good choices.
You might be smart but not academically inclined. How you comprehend things and understand the world are clues to real intellect and your husband has picked up on that. 'Funny' often goes together with intellect.
I enjoy this topic, however, one man's beauty is another man's bane.
The general perception has always been that more beautiful you are, the less intelligent people assume you are. Nobody looks at the supermodels on the runway and think they have an IQ in triple digits. The same way if you mention a person who has an IQ over 170, people don’t imagine them having a face like Brad Pitt’s. Usually it’s a very very rare thing to find a person who happens to be very intelligent and also very (objectively) beautiful. That is why the stereotypical terms coined by many societies are along the lines of “stupid bimbo” or “that unattractive nerd who gets A’s in all the classes”. That doesn’t mean there isn’t any intelligent person who also happens to have a gorgeous face but like I said it is very RARE to find someone truly physically objectively gorgeous and who is extremely intelligent. Therefore I disagree with suggestion that beauty and intelligent correlates. Beautiful people do get more opportunities though , and a well-proportioned, pleasant looking face gives off a better first impression and warms up peoples initial views of you and disarms people , so beauty definitely helps open a lot of doors in people’s careers. But still despite this subconscious pull/draw of the beauty where the beautiful people already have an advantage over ugly people, we humans still come to equate intelligence with either average or below average attractiveness. For example, when somebody mentions the word “genius”, Einstein comes to most people’s minds and he was objectively speaking far from a good looking dude. I think in the high intelligence percentage group, we are likely to find mostly average looking people, and then some unattractive people, and only very very few gorgeous people.
Extremely interesting. I never knew there was a significant correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence. It does seem have to do with evolution, and positive traits being passed down in certain lucky individuals.
There isn’t…
Did the big study (USA and UK) also include the social class of the people? Poor people are more likely to be overweight than rich or middle class people (in the first world). Money can have a great impact to our appearance in general and of course to education and IQ. Social class for sure has the biggest impact on IQ by far!
This is good! I do believe beauty is so subjective! I have found, in my limited experience, that the most attractive thing about a man beyond the way he looks, and even his intelligence/wisdom; is knowing who he is. And attributes like love, leadership, and kindness. I think those things are the most beautiful. Unfortunately, everyone seems so damaged now a days and extremely insecure! I firmly believe that before you find a mate, you need to be whole..which is why I need to be single.. Not perfect, but whole. Great video Dr. Grande!
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Wanted to watch this before getting onto the dark Triad video; however each of your videos have such very helpful info.
I love the link between beauty and attractiveness. 🤪🤪🤪🤪😀🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Thanks Dr, Grande.😄
What is considered “beautiful” is very subjective.
Yes and no. What you find beautiful might be subjective, yet there are general assumptions about what is beautiful. Symmetry, good hair, bone structure, height and even voice.
@@@ichx8 even everything you have mentioned is subjective. "Good hair" can mean Afro hair to Africans, and it isn't "good" to Caucasians. The same with large buttocks, thick lips, broad noses... it's subjective.
@@Martin Beberman that is subjective. "Clear skin" is subjective to tribes in the Amazon or parts of Asia or Africa where face tattoos, facial scars etc do not keep skin "clear". I think you are proving my point. Beauty is subjective.
@@Ad-Lo the irony is even broad noses and big lips are seen as a negative aspect in Africa. Women from the horn of Africa are seen as more attractive than the ones with "Bantu Features" like I have been told before. There's a certain commonality about what people find beautiful and not beautiful
Good video. Have you seen the study where people were able to guess the IQs of strangers by looking at pictures of their faces, to a statistically greater than random degree of accuracy? And throw in that we now have some evidence to support physiognomy. It all makes perfect sense to me - when you´re looking at beauty, you´re looking at genes. More koinophilia, less mutations, stronger genes, higher SMV, higher intelligence, all correlated to some degree, though certainly not perfectly.
In my experience and travels in many countries, I've noticed more attractive people who came from a poor peasant / farmers / villager background than their wealthier more educated urbanized counterparts
Height and IQ I find very interesting also.
@JAMIEKEWL23 why don't you ask one of these doctors how to turn your caps lock off?
Seems more like this is the 'halo effect' whereby people view beautiful people more positively than ugly people rather than something that can actually be measured.
I always ask to my mother before I even had my Nursing degree how did employers know that I was so intelligent considering they spoke to me for 10 minutes. A mother said all you had to do was open your mouth. It's the way you speak it's the way you carry yourself it's just the way you come across and people can see that. Of course I had a very low opinion of myself and could not understand until quite recently. I had very low self-esteem and was horribly bullied at school I came from a wealthy family which was my first strike I had a nearly perfect body which was my second strike and I was taller than everybody in the school which was my third strike. The girls didn't like me because I was pretty the boys didn't like me because I was tall and none of them liked me because I was smarter than them. I can't explain how long it took me to come away from the mindset that I was garbage!
marry me
Often, intelligent people can identify each other from across a room. We just know.
I hope you love yourself now, Elizabeth. Other people often judge us on incomplete information.
Nearly perfect body,smarter than them...You could use a teeny bit of humility :)
@@TheWildAlexa
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Interesting because I've always associated physically attractive people with less intelligence and that seems to have been the general narrative among people in my area. Which is often reinforced when I witness it first hand while dating. In my experience, the prettier the woman is, the less she has to rely on anything of value because her beauty opens up opportunities she would never have if she was 'ugly' or less attractive.
Intelligence can lead to over thinking and procrastination which can lead to fear of taking action, which results in many missed opportunities. I have two extremely intelligence friends who are both 350 or more pounds of fat and both of them are college graduates. Both of them are also jobless and poor.
Intelligence isn't measured by confidence but confidence leads to opportunities in dating and life. A confident person will get a promotion simply because they made an effort. Even though that person likely isn't the most qualified for the position. 90 percent of people who quit their jobs do it because of incompetent and unqualified toxic managers. While at the same time, those people are more likely to be successful with dating and general income just because they made the effort.
Confidence is attractive, success is typically a result of being confident and confidence will attract good looking partners, even if one of them is mediocre in the looks department. If being attractive is associated with intelligence and success, it's likely because it's more common for these people to have confidence based on their looks. However, it's still a far shot from being able to say that good looking people are intelligent. How often do we meet a sexy scientist or doctor? Ironically enough, studies have shown that good looking people in those professions are often perceived as less intelligent based on how good looking they happen to be, even if it's not the case.
next up : race realism
The consensus from anthropologist and scientist in general is that “race” is a social construct and doesn’t really have any utility when it comes to biological classification. It’s pseudoscience.
唐三藏 He saying if the scientist with actual credentials in STEM disagrees with his layman opinion on race, he will plug his ears and scream “leftist cultist!!”.
@Actionbastard what are you talking about?
@Actionbastard talking about it wouldnt devalue anything, as long as what he talked about made sense. i mean i havent seen many asians winning the 100m, and im yet to see a gypsy getting into university.. anyway its a good topic! especially if he wants to generate discussion :p
@唐三藏 since i see absolutely no sarcasm here, i will answer this fully and honestly. if racial differences exist (and imo they do), they should be embraced as something good, not something to argue about. i will be the first to cheer both for the black guy dunking over the 3pt line, and for the jew that wins the 5th nobel physics prize in a row. its like playing an rpg game. you like your melee char, but also your archer and your mage. you dont expect the archer to hit someone with a 2h weapon, but you dont bitch about that, do you? you give him a fucking bow because thats what hes made for.
Are you flirting with me, Dr. Grande? 💕😘 (lol)
I have a question that may make a good video for others! Especially with my anxiety, I am often searching for answers to questions like this:
I want to know if anxious/ people with poor social skills are perceived as less intelligent by others.
A lot of times I'd be too scared to stand up for myself or afraid to just answer what i knew in a conversation. Im not sure why, but I let them believe I just didn't know things. A feeling I get maybe, like being addicted to feeling bad.
I can't make eye contact. I wonder if people perceive me as less intelligent bc of this, less confident, therefore less intelligent han what i really am.
I never really tried in school. When I did, I get a or bs ( except hifhschool math wben i switched schools). I never did my work, and why would I try, I felt inferior to everyone else. When I was doing better than everyone else, I'd stop.
I don't think I'm smart. I don't know where I am on iq scale, but I believe somewhere on the average. .Room for improvement, anyways. I just wonder if people look at me and think I'm dumber than what I actually am. Lol
Greatly appreciated you for this channel! Very informative, data based.
All research studies are fun to read! I work in research and you'd have to be crazy to enjoy reading our results
Haha, thank you for this comment. Your honesty is much appreciated!😊
Theory: beauty= more job opportunities. More job opportunities= more money. More money= better education. Better education= more intelligence.
So that's why you're so intelligent! 😮😊
Women prefer intelligent men bc they are interesting. So, if men prefer beautiful women, do they also want brains? I actually do know a lot of couples my millennial children's age where an average looking but very smart guy, marries a really pretty -- and also smart -- gal!
Really? I was always treated like I was stupid since my looks are considered very attractive.
Im a guy girls tell me im a 9 you know what i say i guess lol. Im smart af btw just not at math
I think this expectation is truer for girls than for guys. Don’t be too caught up by it. Just a stupid cultural or maybe biologically rooted stereotype so men don’t have to feel doubly intimidated by a good looking AND intelligent woman. Or maybe there’s another reason I’m not thinking of.
Provethio Altum I’m a dude and I’d love to see what a 9 dude looks like. I’ve been told I’m a 8.5-9 lol.
@@provethioaltum3276 Not just at math huh?🙂What other subjects do you excel at?🤓
@@amandasligar9269 pretty much everything else. Just Math really kicks me in the nuts 😂
I've never been compatible with the most attractive people I've dated (from my perspective) - because there's a lack of depth. But I guess depth isn't necessarily intelligence. And intelligence seems subjective.
Wow this video is about me
This hammers the argument that caring about looks is superficial. They don't factor that looks are supposed to represent physical health and that the better you look, typically, the healthier you are. Of course, this has been distorted through the use of makeup and, more recently, cosmetic surgeries. Yuck. Rocktagon boobs.
Oooh... Dr. Grande. Can you do a video on body positivity people and the like? The people who try to convince overweight and obese people that they should just not do anything about their weight, diet, and generally self-destructive habits... because their wittwe feewings are more important than their actual health.
Albert Einstein never won a beauty contest..😐
Ya gotta love the hair, though!
He was considered handsome as a young man.
He certainly had his share of women that were interested...?
What about Robert Oppenheimer? Was he good looking?
@@ChineseChicken1 Interesting looking, at the very least -- striking, especially as he got older. Cool hat, too. (Hard to find in online pics; I have it in several books -- yes, I am a nerd.) His profile at "atomic archive" has a pic of it.... 🎩
Living life - you see all kinds people with unattractive mates. It is hard to define attractiveness because everyone's opinion varies. I think that could be the difference between the U.K. and the United States version of the studies that you cite. You can clearly see looking at the U.K's royal family members that their opinion of good looking people great differs from what we consider good looking in the United States. Then take into consideration age factors. You see all the time some high level CEO with a much younger woman. Sometimes the younger woman is not that attractive, but because of her youth they label her as a trophy wife. That is why labeling beauty is a hard factor to concur.
At this point I think he’s just trying to sell himself here lmao.
If you're intelligent and beautiful people are more intelligent, it doesn't follow that you're beautiful.
In terms of Iq the majority of people in the top 2% of the population of iq tend to not be the most caring of their own appearance. I would guess that the most attractive men would be around the 115-120 iq level which is where most of the most successful salesmen, marketers, and entrepreneurs are. I would also hypothesize that physical attractiveness could be more closer correlated to Eq or emotional Intelligence.
some of the correlation between iq and attractiveness might be explained by the fact that some illnesses cause cognitive aswell as aesthetic problems. for example down syndrom. so maybe unintelligent people are likely to have a reason for their lack, that can also cause a lack of beauty.
Absolutely. That's what came to my mind too.
yep
naturally attractive people are healthy and therefore assumed to be intelligent as well.
I believe attractive people may get more opportunities. People may give them more help in college, better jobs that combined with some ambition will create one better trained. Also according to Jordan Peterson a child's IQ will increase with greater parent attention. This may be a factor. To believe IQ is primarily inherited feom high IQ parents and is static I believe is false. There are always examples of average IQ parents who have a very high IQ child or children. Many parents also encourage and work with kids to help improve their learning abilities. You also stated in a previous video how people can be intelligent and not score well on IQ tests.
I also believe people who have an outgoing personality with some confidence seem to easily come up with the right things to say in public so they come off intelligent and believable. Physical attractiveness may play a part in this. Another influence is how people come off in public if they are socially shy or have anxieties while publicly speaking. It is said President Bushs IQ would drop by 30 points while publicly speaking.
Interesting, Thank you Dr. Grande.
Do you find that the reverse bias is also true, especially in academia?
Also prevalent in some natural, more hip communities (not sure how else to briefly describe what's meant by that). Places where the rule of conformity is to wear zero makeup. Non-conformists are seen as less evolved.
@Oftin Wong
Yeah... I'd like to know what places he's speaking about as well
LIKE SERIOUSLY PEOPLE JUDGE YOU BY THE WAY YOU LOOK. IF SOMEONE IS CONSIDERED USUALLY ATTRACTIVE PEOPLE DONT WANNA BUY THAT THEY R DISABLED TOO.😂😂😂😂😂
what a great topic, thank you for this engaging discussion!
Raw intelligence is almost genitic or physiological I think. Some people are essentially wired different. We all have the capacity to learn and expand our understanding of things though. I also think being attractive affords many opportunities to an individual.
Before I watched the video, my layman's theory is that smart men had high status, tended to have better incomes, more successful, and therefore were able to attract a trophy wife who is mostly hot, but possibly somewhat intelligent as well. That continues to passes on through the generation. Their offspring is smarter and more attractive, and then they seek mates who are also smart and/or attractive.
Noticed something. Dont know if there is merit to it.
Ive noticed we tend to easily give more to attractive people. More attention...more love...more time. Where some avoid giving to unattractive people. So in education we might subconsciously feel more enthusiastic to focus on a cute child than a not so cute child. Leading to one being more exposed to new ideas than the other. The not so attractive child kind of has to fend for themselves and find it within to educate themselves where as the attractive child may find others are more willing to teach them. Just an observation. Might be completely wrong.
There's an old song that goes "If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife..." which is BS, but this lecture reminds me of it. Very interesting Dr. Grande.
Love that song:)
@Oftin Wong
What did she look Like? Give an example of like a celeb or something
Beauty doesn’t correlate with intelligence. Cats are beautiful aren’t they? They’re a lot less intelligent than monkeys who are less beautiful by most people’s - subjective - opinion.
Arnie is also probably physically attractive and intelligent. Might have been presidential material had he not been born a foreigner?
Dr. Grande, your videos are excellent!
I truly respect and admire your work.
“Why are beautiful people so intelligent?”
What the?
For real, I thought this too. I love this guy but that title was really demeaning and demoralising in my opinion.
@@Wackaz you sound insecure lol do you find yourself unattractive? Does it bother you that someone attractive could *gasp* have intellect too? Sheeeeiz - not the brightest bulb in the room - both in and out.