Servicing "Non Serviceable" Trailer Brakes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2023
- Replacing brakes on an old trailer with welded on backing plates.
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wes,,its a split pin,,a cotter pin has a nut & a flat..bycycle,type.. ausie..
1 leaf,,impresive,,we have 5 min,,jap steel..anyhoo..id replace the leaf bolts, bushes, u bolts..just for the hell of it..
oh crap..weve had elec brakes for decades..also cable..elec expensive, too much plumbing,wires, controlers. we mainly use hydraulic..
pendulum,??..good for up hills..eh..
our drums have a nut/ cam outside, each side, to adjust shoes. our laws are crap. we went from a 6 x 4 trailer, 1 ton.. single axle. to 6 x 4 1/4 ton. no brakes on any 6 x 4. ever.. some dick, must of had a bad day, killed 10 people, or a kangaroo,,tree hugers,, now if it doesnt have brakes, might as well take a bucket.. 1 sheep syndrome..
Everything is serviceable if you have a welder !
Immortal words from Wes !
It is an unique skill for any auto shop. Never underestimate the power of the welder and it's useful uses.
Should be a sticker!
Never a truer word said. I grew up on a farm. The world would starve without farmers armed with welders and the right attitude to mend equipment. 😄
Thank you Mrs Wes for putting up with our NEED for your husband to continually get into shenanigans. He’s so very good at what he does, it’s like a drug for us at this point.
Rick Solid, Well said
Here here !
I just love this comment. :)
applause 👏👏 for a well stated comment.
Agreed!
Thanks Wes, your videos never cease to educate… really appreciate you sharing these. The family shots are a great touch
My favorite moments in your videos are when you proceed to do something the armchair quarterbacks in the comments say cannot be done. Keep it up sir, God bless, stay safe, hug your loved ones folks. Thanks for the video Wes.
I started work in the aerospace industry straight out of college in 1990. We had 2 3d printers, although that term was about 10 years away - they were called 'rapid prototyping machines'. At the time they really felt like a solution in search of an application, it's amazing to see how the technology has developed.
"rapid"
To a degree it still is. Sure, prototyping and doing one-off jobs like this template and some spare parts that don't need any mechanical strength but that's about it. Most people I know use them to produce toys. I've got to teach kids how to use them and sometimes I wonder why they'd ever need that.
It's still a solution in search of a problem... you should see the dumb things people will print. An engineer i went to school with printed a *plastic plate*
@Ragnar8504 you do realize 3d printers don't just print weak plastics right? And even then if being used for prototyping it is vastly cheaper then most other ways.
@@joshuabaker5712 Most people are thinking of filament printers in the three-digit Euro/USD range though and those are fairly limited. They absolutely have their valuable applications but they're not the be-all and end-all some people seem to think they are.
Considering the price of NEW trailers, it makes economic sense to repair the old stuff. Another great video from you sir,. Thank You!
Hoping to see a rewiring, and then a test of these new trailer brakes!
I remember when my younger brother bought a trailer. Tires where bad, he ordered some replacements.
First tire he tried replacements didn't fit, he called dude said wrong tire, dude sent replacements. Tires arrive, tires still not fitting. What the heck is going on ...
Trailer had 3 matching hubs, and 1 different. He measured front, and back on other side. Got matching numbers so he ordered tires. However rear tire on other side was different size.
We ended up keeping the last set and ordering two he axles. Fun times playing around with that thing, this brought back some memories.
3D printer idea for the spacers was genius !!!
The brake lathe really came in handy here since that drum isn't exactly something you run out to replace. Great job, everything about this was surgical and reduced waste
Google dayton trailer brake drum. Easy to find brand new and not too expensive. The better choice would be to get drums made with wheel studs in a smaller bolt circle so common 15" or 16" trailer wheels and tires can be used. Those dayton wheels can be a pain to ensure they're on straight.
6am on a Sunday. Must be time to watch another one of Wes’ masterpieces. Cheers from WA state. From one Wes to another thanks as always for the great videos. Time to grab my coffee, sit down at the reloading bench and deprime some brass while I watch.
Are you part of the Sages Reloading family?
@@codysp no?
Fantastic video Wes! A prime example on why every shop needs a metal lathe folks I talk to are usually scared of them but you don't have to be crazy good or accurate for the vast majority of the work most people encounter they're definitely an excellent tool to have. I taught my dad how to use my small Clausing 10x36 lathe and he uses it constantly for making little bushing/spacers and turning down sockets to make a thinner wall for working on his goofy BMWs
Perhaps the 'folks I talk to' skills are a 'liability' unto themselves?
Well done Wes! You are a proper engineer and no mistake. Old school hands on skills are sadly missing in a world of virtual reality. Like your Dad I am semi-retired and come from a millwright background, so I recognise the real deal when I see it.
Back in the day a mechanic had skills beyond parts changer/keyboard jockey that included fabrication.
Millwright. Welder torch and a hammer that’s all you need it will fix the crack of day or the break of dawn. Of course a lathe helps too
Well Stated Elton! I Agree!
I wish I could find a few of these old lever Style Lift Jack's you got @Watch Wes Work
Your videos are great because you're teaching as much as they are entertaining. This is why you are one of the better channels and why we look forward to each one.
This is what American ingenuity and creativity used to be. I appreciate you reviving it. Perhaps your example will get other young men thinking about possibilities instead of saying, "I can't."
It's incredible how you adapt as you go along; very impressive! I love how you don't shy away from showing the two most controversial things on TH-cam in one video, Welding and how to tighten an axle nut.😂
Color me impressed at your wide variety of skills Wes...your town is lucky to have somebody like you to take care of their stuff!
Awesome job converting the brakes Wes 🙂👍 I've always wondered how difficult that would be. Also looks like you found some BBQ time. Be safe and happy wrenching 🔧🔩
It’s not as bad as I thought it would be!
@@WatchWesWork I had a 69 Chevelle come into the shop about 40 yrs ago in that condition. They had issues with wheel cylinders ripping out of the backing plates so the guy removed everything and was driving around on nothing but 2 rear axles with no brakes, no drums, nothing. He twisted the brake line from the frame down to the rear and soldered it closed. I refused to even work on it and reported it to the state police since it was being driven with only front brakes. I didn't want him on the same roads with my family.
I suddenly have hankering for a grilled brat . Great video . I think you could make airing up tires an interesting video !
👍👌👏 That's stuff I like to watch. No diagnosing device necessary, only hands, eyes brain. Using some old equipment but also a 3D printer for making an ingenious, very helpful but still inexpensive template. Congrats for being open minded AND for having the skills to handle old and modern stuff.
I'm eagerly looking forward to watch the next part.
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards, luck and especially health to all of you.
I loved to see all the cool tools come out for this one. Such a simple project with such a twist.. as always.
Would have preferred to see the wiring in the same video but I guess I get it.
My engineering degree was acquired with nothing more exotic than a slide rule and a drafting board...no calculators or other fancy stuff...wish we had all the new technology... we had a reactor on campus and used a radioactive cobalt pellet to expose film of the internals of our castings....we're still glowing.
Your thoroughness is inspiring Wes!
And I'm glad I'm not the only one who has to turn the adjusters the wrong way first. Every. Single. Time.
Started doing that MANY years ago & i still do it.
Never knew they made dust cap pliers…learned something for the day! Eating deer sausage breakfast while watching Wes work.
I just use a claw hammer.
Great video Wes very interesting never seen brakes like that before looking forward to seeing you wiring them up and testing 👍
They use them on most caravans and trailers
“Torque hammer” made me chuckle, thanks.
As Diesel Creek Matt says, any tool is a hammer if misused enough.
Love the mojocraft sticker that is awesome on the brake lathe
I'm enjoying the 3D printer content lately.
When you need that specialty tool, or specialty plastic part, you whip out a quick cad design, and print it out. That's a good feeling.
I'm constantly printing things to repair broken things around the house, or just making dumb little widgets that make life a little easier.
One I am going to do soon is a simple spacer for the boards on the fence I need to build next month.
(Fence owner is very picky about that kind of thing, and I'd never hear the end of it if it wasn't perfectly uniform.)
Love to see you make that 3d printed guide. I remeber I needed some wacky shaped spring compression tool to rebuild a 4r70w transmission. Could not find it anywhere. Not sure if anyone ever produced it. 3d printing saved the day on that one.
Adapt, improvise, overcome!
Just as you were wrapping up I thought to myself what are the chances the wiring on this thing works… and then you showed it. Shocking.
Two things I never seen when I was in the trade in UK dust cap removal tool and that grease bearing packer wish I new they existed lol great show 😁😁👍👍
as long as you have a machine shop at your beck and call.... love it Wes, never get tired of your Videos 😊
Excellent mantra…”anything is possible with a welder”, digging’ your style man 😊 Follow the process, not the plan.
DAMN, you young Wes, your clever- loI `m so old school I never saw or used a 3D printer in my once working life but as I watched my brain was ticking over still thinking through old school solutions. The simplicity of modern problems never fails to amaze and still teach this 75 year olds brain, so I thank you for that. - Ian -UK.
Great use of the 3D, really opens up a world of possiblitys, I'm always second guessing myself when it comes to preload on bearings, it's refreshing seeing someone with more experience
And there was me thinking Wes was going to bore out new backing plate using the refurbished Lagun FTV-2 milling machine, but the brake lathe with its three jaw chuck came to the rescue :) The long list of tools required reinforces the old saying... "A guy can never have enough tools"
Last time I did what you are doing I bolted the whole brake drum and backing plate assembly together and mounted it on the spindle. I then tacked the mounting flange to the axle. Disassembled everything and welded the flange to the axle. Your 3d printed solution also worked very well.
Always just the greatest channel 😊👍
This is why I love your channel. Anyone can do a brake job. It is when things don't fit that things get interesting. Thanks for the video!
My old '77 Ford 250 had a brake controller that required brake lines to be plumbed in. I liked it. I still had the ability to adjust the electric brakes on the trailer.
Something my dad did when we did drop brakes he would adjust the brake and he would mark the backing plate adjuster up or down for the adjuster it sure helped on them old trailers
You're the first TH-camr I have seen use and own dustcap pliers. I have a pair AND the related tools to service/repair drum brakes. They're pretty useless nowadays but I inherited a lot of tools from my late father and those tools put food on the table when we were growing up so there's profound respect they've earned. They are neatly arranged in my boxcar-sized tool chest with all the tools I still use constantly.
There's a certain freedom in being able to DIY anything at home and having the proper tools.
That was a lot more work than I expected. Great job! Now will we see a video on the wiring? Seems a lot of comments are looking forward to it?
Maybe.
Thank you Wess, for another amazing video. You are definitely a resource mechanic and watching your videos is just a learning experience every time! Thank you for sharing! God Bless!
Now that I have seen the _trailer_ I am certainly looking forward to watching to full movie. 😁
The most modern pieces of equipment my school had was a Gestetner and Slide Rules. Ooo weee, fancy stuff. ✔✔
Looks like something that would be brought to me by a customer. Thanks Wes!!!
Sweet Wes is back dunnnuunu 😂 @Watch Wes Work
Awesome to see the fusion of trusty know how and old techniques with modern tools like 3D printing. Its people who adapt to the new stuff that stay in business. Great video!
Just a heads up. As a fireman, in the last two years I’ve seen two 3D printers catch fire in basements of homes. One was using a laser, the other was your standard ender printer. I’d definitely keep the printer in your shop for overnight prints where you aren’t eyeing it the whole time. Just to be safe.
The printer he bought is a much higher end printer than an ender and the other meh brands. The Prussia has thermal run away protections.
@@wm12gathe Ender series as of ~2 years ago all come with thermal runaway enabled, the problem is if the controller board crashes somehow, and prusa’s use the same firmware underneath. I would definitely trust a prusa more, but I personally would still have other safety measures in place.
Dang Wes! You really showed off the range of your skill set (and tool set) in this one. I thought the three d printed fixture was fabulous but what really grabbed me was the old AAMco brake drum rig. Out of the tens of thousands that were made, how many do you think are still operational? One percent? would be my guess. THe other 99% met the crusher years ago or their gathering dust and rust in the corner of a back room. And then you pul out your antique bearing packer. Man - you didn't but that off the Snap on truck last week.😆
And a guy with brains. Many thanks Wes from UK.
@13:05 ... you made my day Wes ... the previous minutes kept wondering "He's really not gonna put that rusty drum on there is he?". And then you broke out the AMMCO Drum Lathe and made me smile !!! You are aces !!! So proud of how your mind comes up with "work arounds" and that 3D printer really did the trick keeping perpendicularity spot on ... we have a "Leica" laser for PI of our C-130J Fuselage jigs ... and has the ability to "3D Scan" a part and print it ... not that we'd do this on an Aircraft ... just fun to play with it. Folks in the antique car world use them to make many trim parts ... like you have a taillight trim ring for the left side but missing on the right ... cut and past (reversed of course). Amazing tech.
Yes. The prices on that tech have come way down to. They have 3D scanners a hobbyist can afford. Not sure how accurate they are, but still it's impressive.
@@WatchWesWork a friend of mine has 2 Elegoo printers, making parts and models in HO scale. With the right drawing talent they are amazing
Once again your ingenuity comes through and makes what is typically a real problem, a mere simple fix. That is what I like watching your videos. You think of unique ways to accomplish things that other mechanics would just scratch their heads and throw their hands up in the air as they walk away... Thumbs Up!
very useful and inspiring..Excellent..Greetings from a traditional Indonesian gold prospector 🇮🇩⚒️⛏️👍👍
Wow. Hope you find a lot!
When I saw Wes pushing the trailer in toward the lift, I thought he was going to use the lift to hoist it up to working-man height, much the same as you would with a car.
That was my first impression . Imagine my surprise when he set it on the floor... 😮 Work position of comfort...
I tend to spend an inordinate amount of time getting things at the height I want them to save my old back. Was eyeballing the u bolts thinking I'd be tempted to drop the axle...always making more work for myself.😢😂😂😂
I love the look of those dust cap pliers. seem to work well too.
You do good work in a world where it is usually non-existent. Can't wait for the wiring.
I tell ya,I could watch only your Videos...
You capabilities are endless.
Loved the Outro...
You all have a blessed day.
Love you videos, always makes my day when I get that notification of an upload! Even if you have to pull back and do them less often to focus on actually making money for your family, will always enjoy them!
Nice work on the 3D printed locating cup! Can’t wait til part 2!
The 3d jig was genius. A little extra work saved a ton of frustration trying to get the spacing right. Cool project.
Ah, the universal rusty part removal tool. Aka "Gas Axe". Often used, rarely beaten.
Great video and well done on the break's Mr Wes thank you for sharing oh and it wouldn't be a great video without Mrs Wes stay safe bro
Nice work Wes and it helps to have some equipment like lathes and welders and of course a little smarts. Keep on smiling.
If a trailer needs some wiring repairs, I have always found it best to rip all the old out and start fresh. Somebody has been there before you and used Scotch locks and all sorts of crap more than likely. 3D printing is super interesting tech!
In a world of craziness, nutcases , insanity and stupidity..one of the few refuges of common sense and humour, is arriving at Watching Wes Work.. Thank you Wes. ;)
Awesome job with the 3d printer, thats exactly the kind of use case i find them most useful for, quick tool or jig making. Think about grabbing a 0.8mm nozzle for the printer, thicker layer height makes for stronger parts that print in literally half the time of a 0.4mm. You lose a bit of granular detail but i think it's a great tradeoff. Looks cool as hell gooping out a ton of plastic too.
The stuff you are doing with that 3D printer is super cool. It makes me realize how non-creative I am. I would miss all of these opportunities to use it.
In the old, OLD days, they put a tee in the brake line under the hood and ran a line in under the dash to the controller. The Kelsey Hayes controller had a very mechanical lever sticking out for manual trailer brake application. The lever also moved whenever the brakes were pressed. That fascinated me as a kid.
Moving from old and unavailable to new and available for a few years at least is always an adventure. Great content Wes. Looking forward to seeing the wiring video later, or not depending on how busy your are at the time.
Thank you for a very enjoyable video!
I remain humbled by the stuff you do. You are a man of many talents. If you ever want to work on an MG A let me know I have a noisy first gear that someday needs to be addressed. It might be an interesting video. Until then best wishes and thanks for sharing
Clearly Wes has watched the movie "Animal House"...."Well, we'll just have to adapt as we go!", followed by the sound of a torch igniting. The only thing missing was the evil laugh :)
Very cool Wes. Love watching this stuff!
3d printers have come along ways
When I was a kid, we had a pop-up tent trailer with hydraulic brakes. The hitch tongue was 2 pieces with parallel bars connecting them so that it all formed a 4 bar linkage. A short hydraulic cylinder was attached between the two parts if the tongue. When slowing down, the trailer momentum would cause the hydraulic cylinder to compress, sending fluid to the trailer brakes.
That is actually the way it is done were I live (Germany and in German it is called "Auflaufbremse") the electronic break controller was new too me but for me it kinda is a unnecessary complexity that gives more points too fail and spreads the breaks over the trailer an vehicle instead of being contained in the trailer (service and inspections are better in that way)
What we called overide brakes OK on small trailers not overly strong but did the job
You're quite the wizard making custom tools for the job 3-D printing is pretty cool
Wonderful work Wes ! Here in Australia, most caravans use electric brakes, so we are very familiar with them.
I've found great deals on trailers but walked away due to brakes. This is eye opening actually. I guess if you have the tools as I do and the willingness to take the time, , this would make those trailers viable. Thanks bud for the great video. As always great info!! 👍👍
Yep. Just slide under and see if the mounting flanges are intact. Love this channel.
Best video in a while🎉👍🏁🇺🇸keep em coming
I am 65 and when I was 10 my dad learned me how to turn drums and a few years later rotors on Ammco lathes
In college got edumcated on CNC lathes and mills I am glad you are using your 3D Printer I have no interest in learning that technology as I am retired But you go young man 👍👍
I will say it again Wes You are so lucky to have the drum machine!
I know last week you were worried about generating TH-cam videos, please don't worry, this was 19'54" of great work and entertainment.
19 feet and 54 inches. Thats certainly a lot of entertainment
Awesome video, Wes! Thanks a lot for making it for us, showing us how your thought patterns work out to positive results. Clever use of the 3D printer! Your experiences are making me think more seriously about getting one myself. Great fade-out at the end... all you need are... (smile!)
I cannot figure out how this channel doesn't have close to a million subscribers. One of the best content channels on TH-cam
Well living in the UK the idea of electric trailer brakes was a novelty. I'm informed and impressed, thanks Wes. Keep up the good work.
Let’s go Wes!!
Nice job! about 110% better than the original junk brakes. Liked the torque hammer technique. Use that one myself! 8^) You have inspired me to make a few BBQ smokies for lunch. Hope the ants enjoyed the sandwich your young fella made 'em!
All these videos are so educational and glad you keep making them.
I'm looking forward to the trailer wiring video because I'm needing to add brakes to my trailer and then wire it up for them and I keep putting it off because I'm afraid I'll miss or over look something important and if I can watch you do it I'll be able to wing it myself. Thanks for all your great videos Sir,
I think you need to start giving Hank a Hard time on your videos because he's sneaks a poke in about you every now and then... Lol just joking. Thanks and have a great day.
Those type of axels are illegal down here in Georgia someone had to have his on trailer replaced with the newer style of Axel it's not cheap
I can't see any reason they would be illegal. They are required to have brakes, but that's it.
Well done Wes! Ever install electric over hydraulic disc brakes on a trailer? They have a high upfront cost but for heavy trailers they are likely far superior to these old style electric drum setups. Probably more reliable too.
No "likely" about it. They are far superior in longevity, stopping power, and serviceability. They're also a lot smoother, and don't jerk as much as electric brakes. For heavy equipment trailers, hydraulic over or air is really the only option. Electric brakes don't hold up well to parking brake duty loading and unloading since the electromagent is constantly powered and heating up.
Great video as always ! Looking forward to see the wiring project
Nice touch to the channel Wes. I always enjoy when you put out a new video. Keep up the great work love the channel
That’s just plain rude making it that hard!
Kudos Wes! Air conditioned shirts, glad you could afford them after all the free lathe parts. Your wife should be proud! Ha Ha Thank you for teaching trailer brakes are easy with the proper tools. You deserve a spotted cow.
very well done it's amazing watching you fixing things that very few will do thanks
I don't know why I am always amazed watching you work, Wes, you make the near impossible possible. Keep up the good work, I can't wait for part two, the wiring.