One Instant, The Future of Peel Apart? || Opinion
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Those debrief videos with the maker’s feedback, like the one Nick Carver did for New55, are the best for the analog community. It really makes you feel we are going somewhere. Great job
Thanks Nico, got to show as much information as we can, and when I say Chris answering in that video I knew I had to include it in this piece.
I'd love to see a new multi shot pack film in the old style again. The old cameras deserve to be practical for vacations and family get togethers again.
This is the best video on this subject. I agree with you. I’m glad it’s coming out and will be made available. I can’t wait to see what people do with it. Thanks
Thanks Marcus, hope to see how it all evolves.
Always great information. Thanks for keeping it real.
Thanks Adam, I try my best.
What needs to improve is the price. They are closer to Polaroid 8X10 than original FP100C per shot at about $11 per shot. This is a lot, especially for a format that was used either in point and shoot holiday cameras, or for a small niche of photographers on backs or specific cameras.
I'd rather pay the $15/20 per shot that Polaroid 8X10 offers if I were to use them only in a studio environment than paying that much on my Land 100.
Price aside, it is very impressive. I hope they'll be able to get the shots to work better however, with consistent results and better color. I know we wont get Fuji style colors ever on those, but at least, some nice steady ones. I wish they'll end up teaming up with Polaroid Originals and eventually bring it down to $1-5 per shot. On par with integral Polaroid film and Instax film
I think it is wonderful that people like Chris are trying to create something that keeps the analog world alive and happy to see the community support it. I miss Fuji100C but I also miss the original Polaroid SX-70 film and Type 55. All the current attempts do not match those classics but I applaud the efforts and will support them when I can. I believe that formulations, technology, and manufacturing will improve over time and new formulations may even provide something unique and wonderful with time. It took decades for the Polaroids, Kodaks, and Fujis of the world to perfect their formulations and they had the deep pockets to spend on research and development.
Exactly!! When I saw New55 come out with a 55 substitute that has the same ISO I was amazed.
I totally agree with you! There's an option, and this is very important!
Something is better than nothing. Specially when it works as intended. Just need to make the ingredients a little better.
@@NicosPhotographyShow yes. There's always space for improvement. They started right now. They need time.
@@FaustoSaporito yup. I hope or small investments give them time to improve.
@@NicosPhotographyShow yes, right. Buying their films is just a start. It's a pity there's no 8x10 instant film :)
@@FaustoSaporito you have Polaroid Originals making 8x10 instant film...
you're amazing. thank you for posting
Thanks Bill!
Thanks Nico. I am on your frequency. A soon as I saw your update and Nick Carver's review, I was sold.
Thanks Aristo, we just need to support them slowly, no need to sell our house to buy film. (if only I owned a house...)
Thanks for another great video and for sharing what options we still have available!
Thanks! Hope to make a video on all current options for all sizes and cameras.
WOW! Thanks for the very informative video. I can't wait for someone to pick up and bring back to life the Fuji film! Maybe more people will like how the impact impossible project had. I can't wait. I was moving a lot the past few years and went to dust off my Polaroid 420 and read that fuji stopped making the film! I can not believe I was that out of the loop.
Right. Kudos to them indeed.
Yeah, hope they watch this little opinion piece.
I am 100% on the same side with this. It is a good idea to make things come true, develop products, have something in the market. All hope left in peel apart film is in this moment One Instant
Nice job!! do you know any good lab around bilbao to develop negative color film?? thank you.
Thank you Karlos, I do all my own c41 here in Berango. But I think there is Unicontrol and another lab, dont know about quality.
Nicos Photography Show I imagined that you do it your own and in the future i hope i'll do it my own too but i'm giving it a try. if i get more and more into it i guess i won't need a lab and will do it myself. thank you, great channel!!
Hi Nicos, does the One Instant film emulsion float off the substrate in warm water, so that you can use it like the old Polaroid, and transfer it onto art paper.
You were never able to do this with the superior Fuji 100c but you could with the original polaroid to great effect ...
Most interesting, things are getting exciting in our analogue world !
Just found your channel. Thanks for brining this to people's attention. I'm still super salty about Fuji's discontinuation of pack film. It was a VIABLE product that Fuji only discontinued so they could push their instax cameras and film. It was a sensational product, and out of principal, I haven't bought another Fuji product since it was discontinued.
Possibly a simpler solution for people to have instant film for their medium format cameras is to make backs for them that use the readily available Fuji Instax, which comes in both 6x6 and 645 formats. I'm sure some clever designer could even come up with a base unit that could be easily adapted to suit different camera models through an interchangeable mount. Just putting the idea out there.
I think for that use we will soon see something come out. A modular design would be amazing. Check what Rezivot is creating now.
@@NicosPhotographyShow I did check them out quite a while back. A start up called I'm Back made a "univerisal" digital back for medium format cameras, and 35mm ( www.kickstarter.com/projects/samellos/im-back-low-cost-medium-format-digital-back?ref=profile_saved_projects_ended ), but it only used a small sensor. Something between what they created and Rezivot are doing, using Instax, would be perfect. Lomography have made a bunch of cameras using Instax so I imagine it couldn't be too difficult to engineer, just way beyond my skillset.
@@NicosPhotographyShow I use Rezivot back with my RB67 and love it. It's a reasonable alternative for now, if you like to shoot a lot of instant film using this camera....
I agree on all points, Nico. I am bummed that I missed the days of fresh peal apart; c'est la vie, I wasn't ready to try it & didn't really even know it was a thing. For that reason I will probably try and get some fuji stuff to see what it was like. I may try some expired polaroid just for kicks. But really what I hope to do is buy their next round of improved film. Here's hoping that they can work with Polaroids original, or maybe Fuji will ungrump themselves and lend a hand. 1st step is to get a camera though 😁
I didnt pay enough attention to it at the time (funny enough found it expensive at 9$ for 10 shots) and now feel I should have bought cases to have for the future. Oh well, hope it improves and we can all enjoy it.
Thankyou. I have 2 packs of FP left in the fridge dated around 2014. I should really use it. 😕
Do it before the colours goes bad
Make them worth it, hope you share the results
You should! I shot my kids to at least have some recent memories.
I just came out of the darkroom where I was doing some paper negs and contacting print them whilst still wet. It was really quick and surprisingly good. Back in the 1980's Ilford dry to dry machines processed RC prints in under 90 seconds. It should be possible to dev a paper neg and contact print it in under 3 minutes. If you want to take pictures of people in the street and hand them a print it is time to build a modern version of that Afghan box camera!
Hahaha, I would love to try it soon, but an Afghan box camera (camara minutera here in Spain) is a task for the brave.
@@NicosPhotographyShow I made one a while ago. It has gone in the skip now! It was too small to work with. th-cam.com/video/hKq3Gy60YHs/w-d-xo.html
I would still use it for checking lighting, strobes, and depth of field for medium format portraits, but that's just me. The NPC backs for RB (and RZ)67 that are in relatively good shape is yet another matter. I remember when the film backs were almost given away, but lately, they've almost disappeared.
Yeah, I have used it for strobes and other reasons, but as for the last few years I shot it as an end result. Miss when it was 9$ and you could find it everywhere.
How long can pack film last before expiry?
If well taken care off it should last at least 5 years.
Nico, have you ever seen genuine 20x24 Polaroids in person? I have and what an experience that was. It is too bad that such cameras are not as accessible as they once were. Polaroid would rent them in the past (based on a documentary I am watching). I support this project’s development as long as they promise to remake that glorious 20x24 film for future generations.
Certain Exposures you can still get 8x10 Polaroid Originals (integral) film... which is still a pretty awesome experience too! 😉
bwvids yes that sounds awesome too! Just need to squeeze my wallet for another LF camera after getting more comfortable with 4x5 😀
I wish, I wrote 20x24 studio when in NYC to shoot my family but they never got back to me...
Its fun to shoot but not to easy to afford.
Nicos Photography Show I did the same, eventually got a response but it is quite expensive for a shooting!
I’d like to see them produce something similar in size to type 59 and or type 559 as I prefer the larger film format
Indeed. The amazing thing is that supersense team was able to come together as a team - takes a Florian Kaps to do this - and make a film pack. one that works. I’m not worried about the film. There will be film. No longer hoarding fp100c. Hoarding Land Cameras now 😁
Completely unrelated, but the name 'FP' dawned on me when you said Fuji and Polaroid jointly developed it. Pure genius.
Anyway, I think we both agree. It's fantastic that supersense is doing this. I'd much rather this than nothing at all. I definitely do want to get my hands on some. I just need a 4x5 to shoot it through! This and some New55.
I hadnt thougt about that, makes sense F uji P olariod. Now I need to get my hands on some fresh New55 asap.
@@NicosPhotographyShow do you see a scenario where Fuji *would* bring it back? Or is that just a definite never?
@@dumkopf I say a definite never. Sadly
@@NicosPhotographyShow I'd say that's probably right. Guess, I'll look at getting a pack for myself. What sucks is that that money doesn't go to Fuji, anymore. What's best storage practice for it?
I wish Fuji could have at least licensed the tech, somehow. I want Supersense to up their game, at the very least. And worse still, this stuff is expired. Do we have any answers as to what happens once they run out of the Polaroid stuff?
@@NicosPhotographyShow good luck. Check the groups on Flickr for sample images.
Excellent video. Thank goodness for Impossible/Polaroid and One Instant. My first camera was a cheap Polaroid, a birthday present over 60 years ago. Over the years I’ve dabbled in 35mm, medium format and digital. Now I’ve gone back to Polaroid only. I love the look of Polaroid and I love the cameras. I recently picked up a new old stock Impossible i1 for £45, a Polaroid 330 pack film camera in mint condition for £25 and last year a 600 camera for under £30. The cost of the film is high but so is the pleasure it brings, at least for me anyway. I don’t need to take hundreds of photos and being aware of the cost of each shot makes me take the time to look for interesting pictures, unlike most of the hundreds I have on my iPhone. I’ve yet to buy some One Instant film, I’m saving up 😂, but when I get some it will be used sparingly. My only beef about Supersense and their film are their shipping charges. If I order one pack of film to try in my 330 the shipping cost will add about 50% to the cost of the already expensive film. This is ridiculous for a small light package to be delivered by post from Austria to Scotland. If they fix that I will become a light but regular user and supporter. I understand the reasons for the film cost and I will be excited to be part of the pack film revival but please Supersense address the shipping cost.
They doubled the price of their film so now it's $50USD for 3 single shots. If it was 4x5 sized sheets it'd be understandable but it's just regular sized packfilm. What's interesting is that even at that price they're barely making even so realistically they COULD be charging more. This is considering that you can still buy fp-100c at around $100 as well.
They still haven't figured out a solution to making their own formulation after 6 years of the project.
As much as I want to support them I feel the project will end with them finishing up the remainder of the P7 chemicals with no real solution to continue color packfilm.
@9:00 Exactly... that’s the reason I buy and support Polaroid Originals, One Instant, and New55 / Famous Format: because they are doing the R&D to make great film, in a format that no one else is able to, to keep great old cameras alive! 📸
Lets hope we see slow improvements and growth to their sales.
Do you have any New55 images up on Flickr? Looking at the related groups I didn't see anything but mangled images from the positive/negative film. They get many favs.
I havent shot any New55 yet. Still going with my Polaroid 54 and 55, non on Flickr at the moment.
just needs a start. Polaroid Originals con is the batteries don't last. I think there should be removable batteries so if one's dead the entire pack isn't ruined just slide in a new one but It's better than nothing. $8-10 woulda been nice but lot many people I didn't know the Fuji's were compatible till they were around $30 ($40 later on) still have one left in the fridge
Didnt know about the batteries, that is pretty sad they go before you shoot it.
@@NicosPhotographyShow well as I was informed from the film photography project thats why they no longer carry them. Amazon does but not wise. Old stock especially with the colored ones. Batteries Are supposed to last a year so if the use by date (which is a year from whence it was made ) is past due it won't live long. Oddly enough I can test to see how much volts it still has if I'm careful. so if it's over 5 volts no problem but many are under 5 volts so I buy direct and don't have much problems. Some are close to the due date but they worked. But considering the battery just comes out at the bottom after I've torn out the metal spring, I'd think it wouldn't be that hard to have a slip in. But just a thought. True you don't know till you stick it in that it might be dead but even if you ruin 1 photo sticking in a new battery. better than loosing maybe 4-5 of them. Still a blast to shoot those. Got the Sun 600 ages ago for $3 usually not that little anymore. OneSteps I have but I'd love to get the flash unit someday. I bought a few of the old lightbars for it though. I have a Land Camera from grandma's collection as well as something my brother thought would be of interest one that is a heavy medical device I have no idea how that works but the viewfinder is at a 90 degree angle. I have managed to set it off now and then but I'm told it's like a $1000 camera strictly for medical applications so probably wouldn't work anyway. But the Land Camera does and have a few left of the Fujis in it and one more in the fridge. (sorry for being long ) Shootings that fun :)
First!
That was fast!
I agree that its keeping it alive.......but I just got a spectra and now I'm going down that road.....
Yeah, did you hear the bad news on Spectra? They just announced they will no longer produce the film in that size.
@@NicosPhotographyShow I did, which is why I'm sad. I'm going to try and stock up on as much film from PO themselves as people are already price gouging on ebay....
Still have 6 packs in the fridge. Hopefully they are still good 😅
They last a while, but use them before they go bad. If not you stored them for no reason, happened to me with a few film stocks.
If all accounts I've read are correct, I have little hope for Polaroid Originals collaborating with Florian Kaps to improve OneInstant. Kaps was ousted from (what was then) The Impossible Project when the Smolokowski family took over.
You could be right and I wouldn't be too surprised. I just hope there might be some chance.
Get the new Polaroid to make a back to fit our PackFilm cameras that takes their SX-70 film. You would just need a second button to eject the film after exposure. Let's do this.
I totally support this initiative. I don't need a perfect film like FP100c, but definitely an option. I heard that the film paper is still sourced from an old Polaroid lot that is no more manufactured if this is true the supplies should be limited and so should be the fate of this film. If this information is wrong, I'd like to hear.
For now they are using old "new" stock from Polaroid (the old company). But my main concern is if they will put new materials into the One Instant, that is what Chris covered and gave me hopes.
@@NicosPhotographyShow That's great news! Thank you for sharing!
Didn't Florian Kaps and his financial partner buy up a lot of FP-100c to help fund the One Instant project? That's what I remember from Marco's interview before the Kickstarter campaign got started. If so, then with the right link we could actually buy FP-100c and support Supersense instead of someone else.
Will post the link but its the Supersense site if Im not mistaken.
Totaly agree, can’t say and explain it better. FP100C is gone and we have an option to continue using our beloved packfilm cameras.
Thanks R.J. something is better than nothing. The process works, we need better photo materials inside.
man, are you greek? i am too !!
Spanish here.
If you come to S Africa , I have some 100C for sale
Any available?
Yea, plenty@@grimaceispurple
Great video, Nico. I love the quality of FP100 and FP3000 and the perfection is fine because the format gives you a single paper photo with the negative in other paper. Is like having a copy from a 35mm film in a beautiful paper with beautiful white borders, you don't feel it like instant film once you made the gorgeous and satisfying process of peel it. I still have several packages to use.
But even when I use it sometimes, I'm not a fan of the "perfection" of Fuji Instax film. Maybe because all the plasticky feeling of that format. It feels too artificial. It's ok for teens. But not for a more artistic approach.
Polaroid Originals is way better for my taste. I don't look for perfection when I'm shooting instant film, I don't want "real colors". I want an alternate reality and that's the beauty of Polaroid. So, I have no problem with One Instant not being so perfect because of the expired pods. I'm waiting for my order and really want to try it. Hope the new version they make in the future, with fresh chemistry, don't turn so much to red like this. I miss the old Impossible Project Shade Cool versions, with blueish shadows.
Note: The latest price of FP3000 and 100 (while being made, 2013 and 2015) was USD15.
Yeah, Instax is perfectly clinical to me. PO is more of an artistic result, totally agree with you there.
About the prices, when FP100c got announced to die I went on BH and it was still 8.5$, 10 minutes later is had gone up to 15$.
@@NicosPhotographyShow My bad about the price then, I definitely arrived later to B&H :)
I think they should have bypassed this size and went straight to 4x5 single shot film . Instax will eat up this market. Quality and cost will never solve that.
I think to a certain extent this film will be more of an artistic expression, quality will never equal prior products or Instax line.
Kodos to One Instant for how far they've come.
Yeah, I am very happy on the way it has been built.
Unless they are making it again cutting up 20x24 material is sooo wrong!
I think you should do your math again. Shooting film does not cost $10/shot. Or are you paying $100 to get a roll of 120 developed? I just developed a roll myself for peanuts. And buying FP100C is not sending money to Fuji. They sold it all long ago. Now you are enriching the hoarders. But at least you get 10 great shots, instead of 1 iffy one.
I mentioned making a print from film comes out at around 10$ a shot. This is if done at a lab. I do all my own developing and its cheaper for sure. But if i did 10 shots of 6x7, add the roll of film, time, chemistry and paper to get 10 shots.... it would be way more than 100$.
Fp100C produced exceptional photographs in good quality MF cameras.
Not to mention the big negative it left, which could be scanned with great detail in it. Sad it's gone.
We all agree FP100c was the best we ever had and probably will ever have. But something to load on our cameras is a good thing to have. Only option makes it hard not to pick, just less amounts as the price is not easy to overlook.
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Any info on One Inst availability?
@@hayios0 you can order it online. But my guess is you will be the last of the line. As they are slowly catching up on KS pledges.
It's like holding a child's hand, while they learn how to walk, and maybe one day, they will be an Olympic athlete. Can it happen? Maybe. Is it worth holding that child's hand, definitely. Am I going to buy it, definitely not.
We can only hope for the best. I helped on their Kickstarter, will help if I can but at the current pricing I just cant afford much of it.