I'm not familier with Blunt Reaper bars, but after a quick search on Google, it looks like they are aluminum bars for ICS and the sites I found said that they come with a slit. That makes sense because aluminum bars really only work for ICS and you need a slit for that.
As long as you have a threadless headset, threadless fork, and standard-sized bars, you can use an SCS. If you have oversized bars, you can use an SCS but only if it's a full-size SCS that has a removable shim, like the standard Proto SCS.
As far as I know, the Nitros all use oversized bars with an HIC system. To replace that with a Proto SCS, you'd need to cut about 2" off your bars to eliminate the slit, plus that's about how much the Proto SCS raises your bars. However, I wouldn't recommend that you convert from an existing HIC system to SCS for oversized bars. Your scooter will be quite a bit heavier because the Proto SCS is so large.
I'm not familiar with those forks specifically, but the compression bolt in the SCS can thread into either a built-in starnut that is machined into the forks (like the Phoenix Wedge fork, for example) or it can thread into an installed regular starnut.
Yes, you'll need to cut the slit off. For any SCS system, you can't have a slit in your bars or the clamping won't function correctly. The good news is that SCS clamps raise your bars 1-2 inches, so you should be okay on bar height.
If you leave the slit on your bars, the SCS will clamp down on it, compressing the slit, and your bars won't ever be tight. The solid bar is necessary to provide outward pressure against the clamp since there is nothing inside it (like a fork).
Yes, you need a threadless fork. I'm not sure what you mean by the second part of the question. You can't use SCS and a normal clamp together because part of the SCS is the clamp.
When I've had to run aluminum District bars with SCS, I found that the outer diameter of the bar isn't quite as wide as the outer diameter of oversized bars. If you're having trouble getting your bars to lock, try cutting a shim out of a pop can to put between the bars and the clamp. As far as tightening your compression goes, District forks really only work with ICS, at least the ones I've used, and aluminum bars don't work great with SCS. I'm not familiar with the Shinobi SCS.
I know it's not the answer you want to hear, but I would buy new bars. That's the best way to ensure that you have bars that are the right size and are safely secure in your SCS.
Lowes stocks the Bolts for the Clamp: Socket Head Cap Screw M6-1.00x25 They are metric bolts so find the drawer with the metric sizes Home Depot down here doesn't seem to stock the metric sizes needed.
Can you take a video of your scooter showing where the rattle is up close and then take apart the bars and clamp so I can see how they call go together? I might be able to give some more advice if I can see it.
Sorry, I misread your question. I've never had to cut a fork, so I don't know. You can buy headset spacers to compensate for some of that. I've had to use those before. I still think you should stick with HIC though.
If you don't, the bolts might sieze and it will be more difficult to loosen the bolts later. You could end up stripping the threads out of your SCS clamp.
In general, if a fork has a built in starnut, then you can't cut them down. You would have to use a headset spacer if the fork is too tall for your setup. I'm not familiar with Team Dog parts, but I would recommend you buy the original SMX fork from Lucky, which does not have a built-in starnut, if you are concerned about cutting your fork. Stay away from rip-off parts. If you want an SMX, buy from Lucky.
I suppose it's possible to weld up the slit, but you'd have to do a lot of clean up work to make it smooth. I think it would be better to just cut the slit off or get new bars. Remember, running an SCS raises your bars 1.5"-2", so people usually need to cut their bars shorter anyway.
By "threaded" do you mean "stripped"? The bolts are steel and the clamp is aluminum. Steel is much harder than aluminum, so you would more likely destroy the threads in the clamp. Inward Scooters sells a kit to fix this by replacing the bolts with longer bolts and using nuts on the other side.
Yeah it does but you cut the slit off of the bars and cut your forks down about 1inch and a half then install the star nut in the forks, then put it all together,the bars are a tight fit so make sure you have all of the bolts undone fully ;)
I assume that's a threadless headset. You can't tighten the headset, but you can tighten the compression, which has the same effect. If you can tell me more about your setup, I might be able to offer a suggestion. What fork, clamp, and bars are you running? Are you using ICS, HIC, SCS, IHC....?
You could try to find an old fork and cut off the top of it to use as an internal shim to prevent the bars from compressing at the slit. I don't recommend this, but if you do try it, you should try to get someone to tack weld the internal shim in place. Again, I don't recommend this method, but that's your only option that I'm aware of.
hey Kenny recently i have started scootering very exiting and fun i was wondering if i bought the same forks you used in this video the phoenix phorx and used proto scs would i have to use any headset spacers or cut down the forks and would this make a difference with the deck i use i was thinking of upgrading to those parts and please get back to me soon thanks
If you have a specific question, I can try to answer it, but it's impossible to dial a scooter without seeing it if I don't know what the specific issues are.
Some fork and SCS combos need a headset spacer (or two). They are cheap and that might solve the problem if your compression can't tighten enough to lock it down.
Hello Kenny, It came with a spacer also. But if i tighten the headset hard to stop this rattling the deck and headset doesn't spin freely and smoothly, This is very confusing.
I wish I could do more to help, but it's difficult diagnosing things like this over the internet. Do you have a local scooter shop that you could take it to? Maybe they could help. If not, see if you can find a friend or someone you respect that has knowledge of scooter maintenance. Good luck!
hi kenny i have got a mgp team edition 2011 and are looking to upgrad to scs i have orderd grid threadless forks, a blunt threadless head set a grit compression clamp and grit yeh yeh bars and btw can you use a normal allon key
I'm not sure. I haven't tried SCS on a Madd Gear Nitro. They come with HIC compression, oversized clamp, and oversized bars, so you'd need to swap out a lot of parts to get it working. I'd stick with HIC if I were you. You could also try headset spacers rather than cutting the fork.
Do you mean that your bolts are all uneven so now you can't loosen or tighten your SCS? If so, try to work them back until they are even. Start with the ones that are the furthest out of alignment from the others. Worst case scenario, cut the bolts down the center in the slit of the clamp and replace them with new bolts. You'll have to carve out a notch in the threaded part that you cut off so you can unscrew it. Also, use some grease on your bolts from now on.
Hello Kenny, The clamp already came with a shim. I just wanted to get my scooter dialed so the annoying rattling sound of the bars vibrating along the road to stop, Any other suggestions?
i had some razor bars in my proto and need to take the shim that is inside the clamp so i can put some oversized bars in but the shim that is inside the proto clam wont come out is there ways how to get it out easy ?
The inner diameter doesn't matter. If the outer diameter is 1 1/4" (standard bars), you can use any SCS (full size with a shim). If the outer diameter is 1 3/8" (oversized bars), you'll have to use a fullsize SCS without the shim, like a Proto SCS (not Baby, Phoenix Smooth SCS, etc.).
You don't want to tighten it all the way. You have to find a balance point where it's snug, but not so tight that your headset won't spin. That's the trick with all compression systems.
my proto came with 5 scs bolts. all 5 look like the ones that go into the actual proto. and it also came with a little silver bolt? which do i use for the top cap? the silver one, or the extra black one? im assuming the black one if im using botht top caps right?
Lucky Prybars are oversized, so you could use them with a FULLsize Proto SCS (not the Baby SCS) and without the shim. You would need to cut off the slit on your Prybars and the SCS will raise your bars about 2 inches.
hi, i have a madd gear nitro extreme and i was wondering if i would need to cut my forks down cause my forks look a bit bigger than yours? please respond. thanks.
@kcarlile thnk u because district and smx gets loose alot and bri airs dont help it....and do u have any idea of how heavy the new blunt envy decks weight ?
Does the compression bolt come with the clamp or not ad if it doesn't were can u get one and also would this clamp work with vertex smx and nitro sealed headset??
You DO need a starnut in your forks. As far as what size, I'm not sure. They typically come in 2 sizes for scooters. You'll need the smaller one of the two. I'm not sure if you'll need a headset spacer. That depends on the SCS and the fork you're using. The good news is that headset spacers are super cheap ($2) and you can buy them from Inward-Scooters[dot]com. The starnut in your bars should be fine as long it's not right at the bottom of your bars. Just pound it in a little way if it is.
You would need to replace the headset with a threadless headset and the fork with a threadless fork, then cut off the slit on your bars in order for a Proto SCS to work with your VX2 Pro.
hey kenny just bought phoenix phorx and put on fuzion z250 110 wheels and they are a very snug fit i had to put a bit of force into it when putting the wheel on and i cant get the axle through the wheel i made sure the spacer in the bearings was not blocking and i still cant get the axle through did you have these problems when you got phoenix phorx for paxton and how can i fix it are the phorx only ment for 100
Hey Kenny i purchased the new District V4 non integrated scooter and i really need an scs so i can make this scooter dialed and worth the money i payed for it. Im fairly new with this SCS i mainly know about ICS. So i need to know If i need a starnut in my forks,and what size it needs to be. Also i need to know if i need headset spacers with it. I have already cut my bars to were there is no slit. Also there's a star-nut in my bar and im not sure if that needs to be removed or not. Please help
You should also know that just going to an SCS isn't going to dial your scooter. It might, but it also might not. You should be able to dial it with an ICS system as well.
i have a nitro extreme with a starnut installed in my threadless froks and iv got oversized barswould i hav 2 cut down my bars and wouls SCS fit? please reply asap
hi, i Kenny , i really need your help so please respond asap.. im using vertx smx forks an fsa orbit headset and a district deck and the compression bolt makes the headset either too loose or too tight ! what do i do?
I didn't have to use any kind of headset spacer, so I think you should be fine. The deck doesn't matter, unless it's an MGP or UK Micro, which has a shorter headtube.
I dont not have a local scooter shop, nor a farther to help me either. my freinds are confused. anyhow, thank you for your help, or at least advise. I really appreciate it :)
i used a district v2 clamp with a fsa pig headset and i have a starnut in my forks and all when i put the bolt into my fork and tighten it all the way my headset wont spin anyhelp?
If you're talking about the Blazer Quad Clamp (skates.co.uk / scooter-parts / blazer-quad-clamp-silver.html), then no. That clamp is just a regular clamp, not an SCS.
just to let you know when tightening clamps you never wanna go straight up, or straight down. its better to go 1st 3rd 2nd 4th. for a better tighten all the way through :) thnx for the video tho
Nope, we run 110mm wheels on all his Phoenix forks, Classic Phorx and Wedge. All the pros run 110mm wheels. If they don't fit (because they are too tall), then your wheels are bigger than 110mm or you don't have a real Phoenix fork (if you bought it used or from a non-Phoenix distributor, it might be a copy). Sometimes the axles are tough to get aligned just right and Phoenix forks are made really well, so everything fits snug like it should, but once it's installed properly, 110mm is fine.
Not all SCS clamps work with oversized bars. If the SCS has a shim, they it should work with oversized bars. It looks like the Grit 5-bolt SCS you mentioned would work with oversized bars.
If you're referring to the bolts on the SCS, I believe you can use a standard 5mm allen key. As far as I know, only the Tilt SCS uses larger bolts.
I'm not familier with Blunt Reaper bars, but after a quick search on Google, it looks like they are aluminum bars for ICS and the sites I found said that they come with a slit. That makes sense because aluminum bars really only work for ICS and you need a slit for that.
As long as you have a threadless headset, threadless fork, and standard-sized bars, you can use an SCS. If you have oversized bars, you can use an SCS but only if it's a full-size SCS that has a removable shim, like the standard Proto SCS.
As far as I know, the Nitros all use oversized bars with an HIC system. To replace that with a Proto SCS, you'd need to cut about 2" off your bars to eliminate the slit, plus that's about how much the Proto SCS raises your bars.
However, I wouldn't recommend that you convert from an existing HIC system to SCS for oversized bars. Your scooter will be quite a bit heavier because the Proto SCS is so large.
I'm not familiar with those forks specifically, but the compression bolt in the SCS can thread into either a built-in starnut that is machined into the forks (like the Phoenix Wedge fork, for example) or it can thread into an installed regular starnut.
Yes, you'll need to cut the slit off. For any SCS system, you can't have a slit in your bars or the clamping won't function correctly. The good news is that SCS clamps raise your bars 1-2 inches, so you should be okay on bar height.
If you leave the slit on your bars, the SCS will clamp down on it, compressing the slit, and your bars won't ever be tight. The solid bar is necessary to provide outward pressure against the clamp since there is nothing inside it (like a fork).
Yes, you need a threadless fork. I'm not sure what you mean by the second part of the question. You can't use SCS and a normal clamp together because part of the SCS is the clamp.
Good tip! Thank you! We have an Ace Hardware near us that stocks all these types of parts, but it's good to know that Lowe's has them as well.
When I've had to run aluminum District bars with SCS, I found that the outer diameter of the bar isn't quite as wide as the outer diameter of oversized bars. If you're having trouble getting your bars to lock, try cutting a shim out of a pop can to put between the bars and the clamp.
As far as tightening your compression goes, District forks really only work with ICS, at least the ones I've used, and aluminum bars don't work great with SCS. I'm not familiar with the Shinobi SCS.
I know it's not the answer you want to hear, but I would buy new bars. That's the best way to ensure that you have bars that are the right size and are safely secure in your SCS.
Lowes stocks the Bolts for the Clamp:
Socket Head Cap Screw
M6-1.00x25
They are metric bolts so find the drawer with the metric sizes
Home Depot down here doesn't seem to stock the metric sizes needed.
Phoenix Klaar bars come without a slit. You can order any Lucky (standard sized, not oversized) bars without a slit as well.
Can you take a video of your scooter showing where the rattle is up close and then take apart the bars and clamp so I can see how they call go together? I might be able to give some more advice if I can see it.
Sorry, I misread your question. I've never had to cut a fork, so I don't know. You can buy headset spacers to compensate for some of that. I've had to use those before. I still think you should stick with HIC though.
If you don't, the bolts might sieze and it will be more difficult to loosen the bolts later. You could end up stripping the threads out of your SCS clamp.
In general, if a fork has a built in starnut, then you can't cut them down. You would have to use a headset spacer if the fork is too tall for your setup. I'm not familiar with Team Dog parts, but I would recommend you buy the original SMX fork from Lucky, which does not have a built-in starnut, if you are concerned about cutting your fork. Stay away from rip-off parts. If you want an SMX, buy from Lucky.
If your bars have a slit, they will compress when the SCS squeezes from the outside. Your bars need to be solid so they do not compress.
I suppose it's possible to weld up the slit, but you'd have to do a lot of clean up work to make it smooth. I think it would be better to just cut the slit off or get new bars. Remember, running an SCS raises your bars 1.5"-2", so people usually need to cut their bars shorter anyway.
By "threaded" do you mean "stripped"? The bolts are steel and the clamp is aluminum. Steel is much harder than aluminum, so you would more likely destroy the threads in the clamp. Inward Scooters sells a kit to fix this by replacing the bolts with longer bolts and using nuts on the other side.
Yeah it does but you cut the slit off of the bars and cut your forks down about 1inch and a half then install the star nut in the forks, then put it all together,the bars are a tight fit so make sure you have all of the bolts undone fully ;)
I assume that's a threadless headset. You can't tighten the headset, but you can tighten the compression, which has the same effect. If you can tell me more about your setup, I might be able to offer a suggestion. What fork, clamp, and bars are you running? Are you using ICS, HIC, SCS, IHC....?
You could try to find an old fork and cut off the top of it to use as an internal shim to prevent the bars from compressing at the slit. I don't recommend this, but if you do try it, you should try to get someone to tack weld the internal shim in place. Again, I don't recommend this method, but that's your only option that I'm aware of.
hey Kenny recently i have started scootering very exiting and fun i was wondering if i bought the same forks you used in this video the phoenix phorx and used proto scs would i have to use any headset spacers or cut down the forks and would this make a difference with the deck i use i was thinking of upgrading to those parts and please get back to me soon thanks
What kind of compression are you using, SCS? Do you have all the correct pieces for your headset including the compression ring and cover?
You either need to use the compression cap from your headset or the Proto washer that comes inside the SCS.
Hello Kenny, I am running district al2 v3 bars with a shinobi scs clamp, District forks and district pro anodized headset.
If you have a specific question, I can try to answer it, but it's impossible to dial a scooter without seeing it if I don't know what the specific issues are.
Some fork and SCS combos need a headset spacer (or two). They are cheap and that might solve the problem if your compression can't tighten enough to lock it down.
The Pro X, XX, and XXX models all have threaded headsets and threaded forks, so you can't use an SCS without replacing the headset and fork.
Hello Kenny, It came with a spacer also. But if i tighten the headset hard to stop this rattling the deck and headset doesn't spin freely and smoothly, This is very confusing.
I don't have any experience with the Goon SCS, but it looks very similar and all SCS clamps should work the same.
I wish I could do more to help, but it's difficult diagnosing things like this over the internet. Do you have a local scooter shop that you could take it to? Maybe they could help. If not, see if you can find a friend or someone you respect that has knowledge of scooter maintenance. Good luck!
If I had a slit in the bar instead of buying new bars or cutting them down could I weld the slit please answer asap.
@kcarlile No im talking about the compression cap inside the clamp and its in the shape of the Proto star
hi kenny i have got a mgp team edition 2011 and are looking to upgrad to scs i have orderd grid threadless forks, a blunt threadless head set a grit compression clamp and grit yeh yeh bars and btw can you use a normal allon key
I'm not sure. I haven't tried SCS on a Madd Gear Nitro. They come with HIC compression, oversized clamp, and oversized bars, so you'd need to swap out a lot of parts to get it working. I'd stick with HIC if I were you. You could also try headset spacers rather than cutting the fork.
thanks, i was wondering if that would work. btw what would happen if i dont cut the slits off?
Can you also tell me where you can buy the thing that you place the bolt in thats in the Compression System (its a star)
Do you mean that your bolts are all uneven so now you can't loosen or tighten your SCS? If so, try to work them back until they are even. Start with the ones that are the furthest out of alignment from the others. Worst case scenario, cut the bolts down the center in the slit of the clamp and replace them with new bolts. You'll have to carve out a notch in the threaded part that you cut off so you can unscrew it. Also, use some grease on your bolts from now on.
Hello Kenny, The clamp already came with a shim. I just wanted to get my scooter dialed so the annoying rattling sound of the bars vibrating along the road to stop, Any other suggestions?
i had some razor bars in my proto and need to take the shim that is inside the clamp so i can put some oversized bars in but the shim that is inside the proto clam wont come out is there ways how to get it out easy ?
The inner diameter doesn't matter. If the outer diameter is 1 1/4" (standard bars), you can use any SCS (full size with a shim). If the outer diameter is 1 3/8" (oversized bars), you'll have to use a fullsize SCS without the shim, like a Proto SCS (not Baby, Phoenix Smooth SCS, etc.).
Does it effect the clamp if i have a slit because my bars are too short to be cut down so should i buy new ones?
can u have threaded forks with a threadless headset?
or do u have to have a bar adapter?
Do you need a thread less fork for scs to work, or can i just continue using a regular clamp?
hey kenny its me again umm i was wondering what type of grease did you use to grease up your bolts and where could i buy some
You don't want to tighten it all the way. You have to find a balance point where it's snug, but not so tight that your headset won't spin. That's the trick with all compression systems.
my proto came with 5 scs bolts. all 5 look like the ones that go into the actual proto. and it also came with a little silver bolt? which do i use for the top cap? the silver one, or the extra black one? im assuming the black one if im using botht top caps right?
I have a vertx fork with a proto scs sitting aorund do you think I would need headset spacers to make it work?
Lucky Prybars are oversized, so you could use them with a FULLsize Proto SCS (not the Baby SCS) and without the shim. You would need to cut off the slit on your Prybars and the SCS will raise your bars about 2 inches.
Do you need to cut the slit off district v2 bars and also I'm not sure but are they over sized
hi, i have a madd gear nitro extreme and i was wondering if i would need to cut my forks down cause my forks look a bit bigger than yours? please respond. thanks.
I'm not sure what you're asking. It's a Phoenix Integrated 4.0 deck, if that's what you were asking.
@kcarlile thnk u because district and smx gets loose alot and bri airs dont help it....and do u have any idea of how heavy the new blunt envy decks weight ?
Does the compression bolt come with the clamp or not ad if it doesn't were can u get one and also would this clamp work with vertex smx and nitro sealed headset??
Ok thanks I know I'm asking a lot of questions but could u tell me about 3 bars which don't have a slit please???
You DO need a starnut in your forks. As far as what size, I'm not sure. They typically come in 2 sizes for scooters. You'll need the smaller one of the two. I'm not sure if you'll need a headset spacer. That depends on the SCS and the fork you're using. The good news is that headset spacers are super cheap ($2) and you can buy them from Inward-Scooters[dot]com. The starnut in your bars should be fine as long it's not right at the bottom of your bars. Just pound it in a little way if it is.
Where i Live , they don't have that Store , would Home depot Work ?
Whats the most dialed scs, hic or ics and what compression system stays dialed?
best video I ever seen, that realy helped me out ... THANKS !!!
Do u hav to cut ur bars lower or can u put the clamp on with the slit plzz reply back
You would need to replace the headset with a threadless headset and the fork with a threadless fork, then cut off the slit on your bars in order for a Proto SCS to work with your VX2 Pro.
do you have to use the compression cap.
will this work with blunt smith bars, razor deck, fsa orbit mx and vertx smx offset forks???
helpedme thnx and does smx and hic fit on the reventon deck?
Would I be able to youse oversized bars instead of standard bars with no slit
i have a mgp vx2 team edition but the bars are only 18.5 in. which is to short so is there a way i can make them taller please comment back thanks.
im getting blunt reaper bars and im wondering if they come with a slit?
hey kenny just bought phoenix phorx and put on fuzion z250 110 wheels and they are a very snug fit i had to put a bit of force into it when putting the wheel on and i cant get the axle through the wheel i made sure the spacer in the bearings was not blocking and i still cant get the axle through did you have these problems when you got phoenix phorx for paxton and how can i fix it are the phorx only ment for 100
Ace Hardware sells lots of different bolts. That's where I got for bolts and axles.
Hey Kenny i purchased the new District V4 non integrated scooter and i really need an scs so i can make this scooter dialed and worth the money i payed for it. Im fairly new with this SCS i mainly know about ICS. So i need to know If i need a starnut in my forks,and what size it needs to be. Also i need to know if i need headset spacers with it. I have already cut my bars to were there is no slit. Also there's a star-nut in my bar and im not sure if that needs to be removed or not. Please help
Ok what website would I be able to get standard sized lucky T bars from???
You should also know that just going to an SCS isn't going to dial your scooter. It might, but it also might not. You should be able to dial it with an ICS system as well.
If you're using aluminum bars, the outer diameter should be the size of oversized bars, so you will not need the shim.
i have a nitro extreme with a starnut installed in my threadless froks and iv got oversized barswould i hav 2 cut down my bars and wouls SCS fit? please reply asap
hi, i Kenny , i really need your help so please respond asap.. im using vertx smx forks an fsa orbit headset and a district deck and the compression bolt makes the headset either too loose or too tight ! what do i do?
if i you'sd oversized bars without a shim and put the bars in the Grit 5bolt scs clamp would that work????? please reply!
I didn't have to use any kind of headset spacer, so I think you should be fine. The deck doesn't matter, unless it's an MGP or UK Micro, which has a shorter headtube.
I dont not have a local scooter shop, nor a farther to help me either. my freinds are confused. anyhow, thank you for your help, or at least advise. I really appreciate it :)
How far down would i need to cut my mgp forks so it will fit proto scs brass nuckle and its the older mgp nitro thanks please get back to me
i used a district v2 clamp with a fsa pig headset and i have a starnut in my forks and all
when i put the bolt into my fork and tighten it all the way my headset wont spin
anyhelp?
im buying an scs, but i have slits in my bars and my dad won't want to cut them. Do i have any other options?
If you're talking about the Blazer Quad Clamp (skates.co.uk / scooter-parts / blazer-quad-clamp-silver.html), then no. That clamp is just a regular clamp, not an SCS.
Dang it , ill ask my dad , & do you know any where i can find some clamp bolts for my Proto Quad ?
will i have to cut down my mgp nitro extreme forks to use proto scs i have an extreme deck as well i also do not want spacers reply fast thanks.
so if i want to get this clamp can i keep my threaded forks?
what is the difference between oversized bars
@kcarlile would a proto scs fit on the new mgp ninja if i take the hic off ?
just to let you know when tightening clamps you never wanna go straight up, or straight down. its better to go 1st 3rd 2nd 4th. for a better tighten all the way through :) thnx for the video tho
@Kargel27 it will flex too much and the 2 inches you lose from the slit going you get back as the clamp is higher it wonk make any difference
Does the proto scs work on razor ultra pro black label fork
Do you need a headset spacer for phoniex classic forxs with scs... Please help
random question but will grit battle bars fit HIC?
According to ScooterFarm, yes: "Oversized Alloy Bars: Made for HIC"
can you use an scs if you have bars 1 1/8 inside diameter? please reply!!!!
Nope, we run 110mm wheels on all his Phoenix forks, Classic Phorx and Wedge. All the pros run 110mm wheels. If they don't fit (because they are too tall), then your wheels are bigger than 110mm or you don't have a real Phoenix fork (if you bought it used or from a non-Phoenix distributor, it might be a copy). Sometimes the axles are tough to get aligned just right and Phoenix forks are made really well, so everything fits snug like it should, but once it's installed properly, 110mm is fine.
Now... When you say a non threaded thingy is the whole thing non threaded or is it kinda half threaded and half not
If the fork has any threads, it's threaded.
@kcarlile can i do the scs proto on my new nitro ?
I have a goon scs will it work the same
Not all SCS clamps work with oversized bars. If the SCS has a shim, they it should work with oversized bars. It looks like the Grit 5-bolt SCS you mentioned would work with oversized bars.