Jamus wasn’t disputing the numbers. He was highlighting that the interpretation of the numbers may not give a true picture of the PMET situation and he makes an important point. She spoke for 3.5 min rambling about things everyone already knows and agrees about “keep people employed, have less reliance on foreigners”. Without giving a single constructive idea. And this is what she’s being paid millions for?
did jamus give a constructive idea? anyone who takes an introductory class in statistics knows how to look beyond the numbers, jamus need not highlight his elementary knowledge. When he was further pressed later on on what he thought was a number the government should look at, he was speechless
Honestly, this looks like what we used to call ‘smoking’ in an exam essay we didn’t really study for and trying to our best to fill the foolscap paper with stuff so that it doesn’t look blank.
This is a rather expensive ‘smoked answer’. Fortunately it happened. Thank you Jamus Lim the mirror which reflected the incompetence of Josephine Teo. Please continue to use your mirror to reflect many more Josephine Teos sitting in the parliament. To JT, if you are intelligent enough, QUIT politics!
"This is what the facts..." "This is what they were..." "I stated the facts..." "I merely stated the facts..." "The facts...are what they are..." Ladies and gentlemen, our Minister for Manpower.
JM is not asking about the FACTS. JT don't seem to understand. "We have a FACT. We have STATED THE FACTS and together we have MERELY STATED THE FACTS"...this is what I comprehend.
In actual fact, JT did answer Jamus' questions. Don't be so fazed and amazed by the angmoh accent. Question by JL: Is slowing down the rate of EPs and SPass holders sufficient in preventing local PMETs from being displaced. Measurements in terms of %increase might be misleading when we consider absolute numbers. 20% increase from 50 is 10 pax. 10% increase from 200 is 20 pax. Therefore the claim that the slowdown is less dramatic than as claimed by JT. A simple summary (*intepretation, as some prefer*) of JT's answer is this: 1. If you suddenly reduce the number of SPASS and EP holders in an unsustainable manner where the number of locals available cannot replace, we might end up having companies closing down in an already tough recession climate. In layman's terms: We can have a company hiring 56 foreign PMET and 44 local PMET. But if we suddenly cut the number by say 12 and increase the hiring of 12 local PMET = 44 foreign PMET 56 local PMET, without the ability to supply 12 local PMET (skilled, trained), it might ultimately become unsustainable to operate. We either suck the existing 44 local pmets dry by making them work OT (sure if you are willing to work the extra long work hours) or close the company down resulting in further large scale unemployment of both PMETs and non PMETs. This in turn harms the people the policy originally aims to benefit. Now, the government is trying to slow the reliance on foreign PMETs while at the same time gradually training up our local pool of graduates with the right skills ( globally sought after ). This takes time... look at the jobs our parents hold back in the early 2000s. Look at the jobs we millenials hold. The standard of jobs our young adults hold have increased significantly. This doesn't occur over 1 or 2 years. The hiring of foreign PMET is a temporary blunt solution to sustain company operations, long enough for our own Singapore core to gradually fill up the spots with right skills. As an example at the present moment a company of 100 may hire 56 foreign PMET and 44 local PMET. Then it increases the headcount to 150 (81 foreign and 69 local). Yes there is a drastic 45% increase in foreign PMETs, but at the same time the number of locals hired will be raised by 56%. SooooOoo, don't just look at the 45% increase in hiring foreigners. Because this has resulted in an increase in the number of local singaporeans being employed. Such numbers are just raw figure plays as some naysayers might argue. But look at the current state of employment in singapore, compare it with other democratic nations and cities with natural resources. 2) she is just stating the percentage and not trying to do number play. In my opinion, everyone knows percentage is relative. You can just refer to employment statistics to convert the percentage to absolute numbers if you prefer.
@@yea5458 Are you sure the local PMET are not skilled or trained enough or rather they are being overlooked??? I doubt so. I have worked in the IT Industry and I do see many talented locals but they are not being considered fairly. A point to note: Why do we call Chennai Business Park? Vietnamese has good developers as well and there are many other countries which are equally good in the technological sector as well. The problem is this, alot of these ministers are not working in the technology sector and therefore clueless on the ground level. You need to work on the ground more, and understand the local PMET views.
Yeah we need someone capable. On one hand she showed her empathy by shedding tears in Parliament but to Jamus Lim's question in the same house she answered yes without understanding that she needs to do more beyond current measures... Don't know what to say.
Jamus Lim: I appreciate the efforts by MOM to address PMET concerns. And that said, I would like to clarify if Minister Teo believes that simply slowing down the rate of EP and S Pass holders is sufficient to ensure that local PMETs do not get displaced. I say this in part because this strategy, while it’s a very blunt strategy, and for starters we need to take into account base effects. So, let me explain. Even if the rate of issuance has slowed, as Minister Teo has shared, it's misleading to actually compare the two. So for instance a 20% increase from 50 people, for example, is 10 people but a 10% increase from 200 people is in fact an increase of 20 people which is larger in absolute terms. Now, I understand that 35,000 people is larger than 9,000 but the point is that the slowdown in the rate of EP and S Pass issuance is less dramatic than Minister Teo claims. Moreover, we should be aware that of the effect of diminishing returns by which I mean, many PMET positions may already have been secured by foreign talent so it's no surprise that the number that is now required actually goes down. Josephine Teo: Thank you. Mr Speaker, I merely stated the facts. I did not say that one contribute, I did not say that one contributed to the other. I stated the facts, this is what they were. The facts. Are what they are. But I thought that I should perhaps address Dr Jamus Lim’s other questions. Are we satisfied with slowing down the rate of growth of EP and S Pass holders? The perspective that I'd like to share is this, ultimately, we have to ask ourselves, what does it take to help Singaporeans stay in employment; stay out of unemployment and over time, to achieve income growth to achieve retirement adequacy. Those are the four things that MOM is always looking at. Then we ask ourselves what is the best way to achieve these outcomes. If we can do so without adding to the number of EP, S Pass holders for that matter if we can do so continue to deliver good outcomes, help Singaporeans enjoy high employment, low unemployment, income growth and retirement adequacy without using more foreigners as complements to our workforce. If we can reduce the reliance on unproductive manpower-intensive methods of work in some of our business sectors today. If we can groom more Singaporeans, to take up the good jobs that we are creating, then of course, the answer is yes. But the important thing really is - what does it take to deliver and bring about these good outcomes for Singaporeans? And then we ask ourselves within the options that are available to us as a tiny red dot. How can we mitigate the difficulties, the shortcomings, and the worries that people have - legitimate worries that people have about a very sizable foreign workforce. We are aligned in that regard. I don't think that the destination that we want to head towards is a different one. But we have to ask ourselves, looking at the opportunities as well as the constraints we have as a tiny city-state which Mr Leong Mun Wai reminds us we’re a tiny city-state, we're not a tiny city and a tiny city-state has got its opportunities, but it also has its constraints - within those constraints what is the best way to help Singaporeans move forward. That has to be the answer and not some pre-determined ideas about what you bring it down to. Supposing we can bring it down to zero, even negative which is what has happened the first seven months of this year. I reported to members the first seven months of this year, total number of EP and S Pass holders have gone down by 22,000 - that's what it is. Suppose we can bring it down to a different number and so on but at the same time, the job opportunities for Singapore have shrunk. Your children, my children one day coming to us and say mom, dad, sorry, you know - can't find a decent job in Singapore anymore. And they really no longer have that opportunity of the six in ten jobs that we talked about - which many countries have found themselves similar in that sort of a situation, is that going to be better for us? Well we'll have to think very hard about whether the answer is yes, thank you.
Okay so looking at this I think she did answer the question but with a lot of irrelevant information to be honest. Should have just said yes or no before explaining her stance. Would be clearer instead of beating around the bush.
She say she will listen to what Singaporean is saying. But it show not. She is just throwing some smoke bomb here and there to smoke us all from the truth.
she is smarter than you... she joined an organization with salaries that are bench mark with cream of the crop corporate world but does not gets corporate punishment when things fail
Not only like tape recorder. The way and tone when she speak always sound like she think everybody is stupid or stupider than her and she's giving some kind of great revelation or something. It's annoying af!!!
Our children from millennium generation and almost are 99% holding diploma. If they dont find good job then what they find? Parents pay highly for their education, is it for them to find a dish washing job. The tiny state is contraint but yet we still can invite FT🤭🤭🤭🤭
More and better opposition MPs are showing how lacking the PAP are in debating skills and substance. And even when they were given the questions in advance. Can we imagine how would the do if they were in the UK House of Commons? All motherhood statements totally irrelevant to the question.
@Michael Lim even locals wont be offered that 3.5k cos FTs are cheaper even with levies factored in. PAP definitely would not stand behind locals Sgean cos there's far more money to milk from a FT than a local.
@@123-h5i5y PAP members are never good for a fair debate, thats why they joined PAP. No need to answer questions, just claim national security or pretend take up some bad acting lessons like Josephine Teo.
Exactly! From back in those days already we (YOUNG PEOPLE WHO STUDIED ECONS!) tried to put the govt to task and questioned them on why all these PMET foreigners were given the good jobs when Singaporeans are equally qualified, competent and experienced (if not better). We were labelled xenophobic, racist etc for pushing for a "Singaporeans First" ethos. We already saw this coming back in 2003, but everyone now is just waking up.. Seriously, the government is a JOKE. If you couldn't stop this problem in its infancy as highly-paid millionaire ministers back then, and if you were too dumb to realise the truth of what real EDUCATED and BRILLIANT young Singaporeans were espousing and foreseeing in 2003, you do not deserve to have this job of being an MP/Minister! For shame! 😡
Eric Lim in fact these days alot companies both HR and IT are mostly foreigners, I wonder where is the control and doesn't justify when gov keep "empty promise" for keeping Singaporean to be securely employed. But I still see jobless people out there, and its our fellow Singaporeans.
You call tell that Jo Teo has no answer to his questions. She is just acknowledging his question but then gong a lot of jiao wei from her template of responses...
To be fair I dont think theres an easy anwser to this question but having people like jamus who can ask questions eloquently should at least force them to think about it
Thank you, that response cost Singaporeans SGD $8000 for the day. Value for money right? ;) I regress the c. SGD 2 million annual salary for senior ministers
Let's be fair and say that's not necessarily reflective of everyone in cabinet. Teo Chee Han, Ng Eng Hen, Tharman, Vivian, Shanmugam, Masagos.. all good leaders
Try travel to any country nearby and live there for a few years to understand corruption. I am from Vietnam, I think SG MPs' pays are justified because corruptions destroy the culture and the system for generations. And as no system is perfect, the Singapore system allows your active participant in voting the politicians out if they don't do a good job.
@@andrewsitu3472 wait ... I thought the criticism is about MP's high salary. Ok. And to your point, how many refugees from Syria and that region has Germany taken in the past 6 years v s Singapore's taking 0 refugee? And have you spoken to an Asian born in Sweden about how they feel? Some Asian Swedes told me people think of them as foreigners all their life, at school or work or social gatherings! I'm speaking about Racism if you aren't clear.
@@jasonle6910 the point is that >50% of PAPigs are unelectable. They are only entrenched due to first past the post system that creates an artificial majority. NZ ditched this system and adopted proportional representation. Westminster style does have its flaws and NZ made a wise move, which allowed a capable leader like Jacinda Ardern to rise to the top. If we had proportional representation we would have less PAPigs and more brilliant people like CSJ, Tambyah and Nicole Seah instead. Leong Min Wai would also be a full MP instead of a NCMP.
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You are spot on Jamus. For too long MOM always says they slowed down the growth of foreigner. Slow growth is still growth. What about Singaporean growth?
*When you need to write a 2,000 words essay* "I merely stated the facts, I did not say that one contributed, I did not say that one contributed to the other I stated the facts this is what they were the facts are what they are"
She’s shooting blanks to everyone present there. She’s out of her wits and doesn’t know her job in truth. Even Jamus’s expression becomes 🤔 ???? after hearing her out.
还在乱讲！人民付出了非常昂贵的代价，倒不如不用付！ Still continue to babble! Very expensive fees for ineffective babbling. Do SGs need this substandard minister in parliament to represent them?
I think it's quite clear, she just threw a whole bunch of smoke bombs to confuse everyone. This is the sad state of SG. Incompetent ppl in high position.
AND she answered well...for a Minister who have been chastised heavily for not handling the manpower issue adequately. The objectives remain the same....it is about finding the right balance.
@Sushi Saim Many local companies also hire foreign PMETs because it is cheaper to run with lower manpower cost. I am happy with cheaper services as a result of foreign PMET until I lose my job because of them. My children have to make themselves more competitive otherwise they will end up washing cars for foreign PMETs.
Many years ago Penang wanted Seagate to set up shop there. The deal breaker was the inability to produce 500 engineers. Same goes for Singapore. The ability to attract top banking companies to setup shop requires a certain level of trade off. Casting a blind eye to these companies who maintain a certain level of biased HR practices to bring in their own talent, the fear of corporate usurpation from Singaporeans, corporate bottomline, etc.... HR practices are as well complicated as a poker game.
SOP response when they don’t have a good answer. Doesn’t it sound all too familiar by now? Across various ministries and ministers, the art of Tai-Chi.
Back door politics Her husband was Surbana Jurong International CEO. He has resigned & will stay on the job till 30 September 2020. (Really? Or already on leave till last day?)
Demonthatgotlordkeith Of course! First, rides on her husband, Ex-CEO. (Maybe from better-off family background than hers? OR sex in a small space without complaints) Then, rides off the people of SG ( must have introduced some evil measures to sabotage SGs for money to get promoted to minister) So, learn the bad ways to rise from lower level to higher level without hard work 😓
@@joytotheworldddd did you know there is a lee kuan yew school that ministers have to go to, to attend classes to teach them how to speak lololol. Now you know how their BS power is too strong
If I were to ans like JT to my boss in a dept meeting, he or the whole dept will say I have wasted everyone's time. We are well awared of our contraints as "Tiny Red Dot" and we look towards your leadership to solve the problem. That's why you are elected and have been paid well. So.. We definitely deserve a better reply than this!
She is answering like that because she don’t feel she’s responding to a “boss” or someone she needs to be accountable to. If you notice her tone it’s still like the “I’m educating you” kind of tone rather than “yes let’s collaborate on these pointers” Keep this up and let’s see how the next election goes
Just wondering whose children will suffer? Hers or ours? Her children may be able to live off her estate at the rate she is being paid as a Minister. Am wondering too if she mentioned this in her speech knowing too well that her children may not likely to be impacted? By the way, is there a need to bring this up in her speech when we are hoping to hear constructive solutions to our current problems?
Wa lao ppl here cannot understand or dont want to understand. Realistically, Minister J Teo is right. We are a tiny city state. Within 2 mins, already out of Singapore airspace. She is right , fact is that if we make it hard for companies to operate here, they will go elsewhere and we will in deeper trouble than now. Anyone who is oblivious to this fact is simply not living the reality. Hope more dont lose their jobs.
J Teo's brain literally system error 404 after the questions asked by Jamus Lim. She did not answer his question but just kept on rumbling for a way out.
Mrs. Josephine Teo, you are just FULL of EXCUSES !!! You have absolutely NO SOLUTION !!! Please RESIGN IMMEDIATELY !!! Maybe Jamus was not offered a chance to response !! Or even worse, CNA DELIBERATELY don't telecast his response !!!
My sea hum was warmed for a moment then the camera switch , I started to puke small spaces . When the camera changes my heart gets warm then sadly puke again when the image changes .
me too, But Jamus wife is foreigner . naturally ppl here hate them but if you know any foreigner friend then you learn to appreciate them. We also came here from foreigner migrated here
@@JGreen-ec9uo generally Singaporean does not really hate foreigners. We hate free loaders who does not assimilate. Those who are here milk the system and go somewhere else . True story, I heard a story of a South Asian who stayed here for fifteen years asking her local colleague who happens to eat wanton noodles what is that. Just go to both sides of fort road any weekend , you will smell certain spices in the air. These foreigners will gather among themselves and hardly bother to assimilate unless for career advancement opportunities. There are many other more these folks here . Using the opportunity to buy property , after few years goes back . Leaving the locals with high property prices. Ultimately locals are at the lose end , you sell high , you need to buy high also as you live here. For them , they sell back to you high , they say bye bye . Could you please tell me how come average four room government HDB flat prices from the early 2000s of 180K to today 360K ? Does the raw material increase 100% or your pay increase 100% last decade ?
She is just beating around the bush, while Jamus is was clear on his point. Josephine Teo uses words such as 'constraints', or "the best way" to solve the problem, without actually talking about the issue. I certainly do not want such a minister in our parliament. And i will vote against the PAP to prevent such a person from becoming a politician, let alone a minister.
she crying cos Jamus is a better candidate than her. she crying cos she knew she's a free loader sitting in parliament waiting for singaporeans retrenched and foreigners getting high paid.
Miss Teo, u missed the point, James was trying to say the slow growth in EP/Sp could be because jobs have been filled by foreigners, no need for them anymore. Had you not been so liberal in the issuances of these passes in the previous years, those jobs could be taken by my friends and relatives and myself even. I pray that your children will have a taste of what it is like to be discriminated against, lose out on jobs when they are better. I believe your God is watching and will bring about this. Amen
But raising the cap has already seen many of them going back to their country. This means job openings... But whether the employer chooses to get a foreigner or Singaporean is basically up to them
Minister Teo has no idea how to solve the problem.... Do remember that she is extremely highly compensated which mean that she need to do deliver without any excuse
any minister needs to do her/his job. If she has been doing so good job, why there are so many concerns and voices regarding singaporeans being misplaced, being marginalised? Can Jo Teo answers this?
I don’t understand why Josephine Teo has to keep restating the fact that we’re a “little red dot” and a “small city state” and repeatedly point out the obvious fact that we face constraints in terms of size. Shouldn’t the correct question to be asked and answered here be: As a small city state, what can we do to circumvent this issue besides hiring foreign talent? What makes foreign talent better than local talent? Why aren’t we matching up to them? Repeatedly pointing out our inadequacies without proposing solutions doesn’t solve anything.
in a way, she is telling you she have long hung up her boots that no further amount of effort, nothing more could be done. This is what it is and singaporeans have to suck it up and admit the cecas are better. We take on the menial jobs. We are someone else's stooges and this isn't our stage. I don't think this is what LKY aspired when he asked us to chase the rainbow and ride it.
Exactly! From back in those days already we (YOUNG PEOPLE WHO STUDIED ECONS!) tried to put the govt to task and questioned them on why all these PMET foreigners were given the good jobs when Singaporeans are equally qualified, competent and experienced (if not better). We were labelled xenophobic, racist etc for pushing for a "Singaporeans First" ethos. We already saw this coming back in 2003, but everyone now is just waking up.. Seriously, the government is a JOKE. If you couldn't stop this problem in its infancy as highly-paid millionaire ministers back then, and if you were too dumb to realise the truth of what real EDUCATED and BRILLIANT young Singaporeans were espousing and foreseeing in 2003, you do not deserve to have this job of being an MP/Minister! For shame! 😡
th-cam.com/video/qxK-SSFr56o/w-d-xo.html Some wise advice by Mr Lee for all of you who don't understand. "But we do things in a sensible way. Don't let the economy go down. Whatever else we do our companies must be competitive and stay competitive."
Well never get a direct answer from her. Just like the overcrowded foreign dorms and the high infection rates. She’s good at talking to herself, lol ...😩😩😩
Actually both of them don't understand each other lol. But MOM has already did what they did which saw many of the foreign workers packing their bags and leaving the country. And their jobs are now open
@Sushi Saim actually I'm working in an MNC and my EP (fellow colleagues) are in danger of being sent back after their pass expires; due to the increment. The SP(people under me) are also. Some are already gone with a snap of a finger. These means open jobs for Singaporeans.
The problem started initially from 10-15 years ago, when Singapore opened the flood gate to Foreigners without training local talents. They took the shortcut hiring FTs to advance faster. Now..this is the result & consequences of their past actions. They're now facing not enough manpower and shortage of local talents. They have to clean up their own mess caused by themselves. Lol..
Exactly! From back in those days already we (YOUNG PEOPLE WHO STUDIED ECONS!) tried to put the govt to task and questioned them on why all these PMET foreigners were given the good jobs when Singaporeans are equally qualified, competent and experienced (if not better). We were labelled xenophobic, racist etc for pushing for a "Singaporeans First" ethos. We already saw this coming back in 2003, but everyone now is just waking up.. Seriously, the government is a JOKE. If you couldn't stop this problem in its infancy as highly-paid millionaire ministers back then, and if you were too dumb to realise the truth of what real EDUCATED and BRILLIANT young Singaporeans were espousing and foreseeing in 2003, you do not deserve to have this job of being an MP/Minister! For shame! 😡
If you were to dissect the data, I can assure you that most of the FTs are in GENERALIST jobs..not technical or specialized roles. Jobs that Singaporeans CAN do but shut out of the system due to cronysim and nepotism from very invasive cultures. They packed the layers and declare Singaporeans are not hungry and competent. Dont accept this narrative, we are great at Generalist roles, for the rest, we welcome FTs..
Bro go to NTUC you will notice a big difference in attitude with our local cashier and Indonesian cashier lady . How polite are the later and also remind me if i am near $20 mark to earn point so i get something to cross that and get points. We need to train and re train. Go to a clinic aso ask a price for something our local assistant say they don't know must ask doctor and leave it there but foreign one politely gets the info to us and caring too. We need to change first. This difference increases with more complex jobs so these foreign companies hire from other countries thats why . now if they leave then we all jobless and worse this situation
J. Green Recently l had a bad experience with the foreign workers in the Customer Service Dept of a big organisation. It’s absolutely a fallacy that just because they are from some poor third world countries they are somehow better workers than Singaporeans in attitudes n skills. One of them can’t even write in proper English to me! You must have been very lucky to be served by a polite foreigner working in the front line.
As a millenial, i understand in actual fact, JT did answer Jamus' questions. Don't be so fazed and amazed by the angmoh accent. Question by JL: Is slowing down the rate of EPs and SPass holders sufficient in preventing local PMETs from being displaced. Measurements in terms of %increase might be misleading when we consider absolute numbers. 20% increase from 50 is 10 pax. 10% increase from 200 is 20 pax. Therefore the claim that the slowdown is less dramatic than as claimed by JT. A simple summary (*take away in more apt terms as some might argue*) of JT's answer is this: 1. If you suddenly reduce the number of SPASS and EP holders in an unsustainable manner where the number of locals available cannot replace, we might end up having companies closing down in an already tough recession climate. In layman's terms: We can have a company hiring 56 foreign PMET and 44 local PMET. But if we suddenly cut the number by say 12 and increase the hiring of 12 local PMET = 44 foreign PMET 56 local PMET, without the ability to supply 12 local PMET (skilled, trained), it might ultimately become unsustainable to operate. We either suck the existing 44 local pmets dry by making them work OT (sure if you are willing to work the extra long work hours) or close the company down resulting in further large scale unemployment of both PMETs and non PMETs. This in turn harms the people the policy originally aims to benefit. Now, the government is trying to slow the reliance on foreign PMETs while at the same time gradually training up our local pool of graduates with the right skills ( globally sought after ). This takes time... look at the jobs our parents hold back in the early 2000s. Look at the jobs we millenials hold. The standard of jobs our young adults hold have increased significantly. This doesn't occur over 1 or 2 years. The hiring of foreign PMET is a temporary blunt solution to sustain company operations, long enough for our own Singapore core to gradually fill up the spots with right skills. As an example at the present moment a company of 100 may hire 56 foreign PMET and 44 local PMET. Then it increases the headcount to 150 (81 foreign and 69 local). Yes there is a drastic 45% increase in foreign PMETs, but at the same time the number of locals hired will be raised by 56%. SooooOoo, don't just look at the 45% increase in hiring foreigners. Because this has resulted in an increase in the number of local singaporeans being employed. Such numbers are just raw figure plays as some naysayers might argue. But look at the current state of employment in singapore, compare it with other democratic nations and cities with natural resources. 2) she is just stating the percentage and not trying to do number play. In my opinion, everyone knows percentage is relative. You can just refer to employment statistics to convert the percentage to absolute numbers if you prefer.
Since u r the millenia gen, may i asked, r u in the top tier of the work force? Does your generation hv not what it takes to fullfilled our work force? Are unguys the reason why we r relying on Foreign workers to filled up most og the PMET positions? Are your indirectly agree that your genration is a failure?
@@Stonely1974 I work in the r&d sector, for an MNC. I would choose to believe that my generation is not a failure, but a byproduct of the Singaporean core (pioneer generation, merdeka and most importantly our Boomer generation). The only reason I can give you is: Singapore is a global city state. Our hinterland is the world. If we produce for ourselves and can remain self sufficient with natural resources. Sure enough we do not need foreigners to fill up some of our jobs. But as we all know from years of social studies, singapore is a small and open economy with no natural resource. To remain relevant we have to import and export our food resource for our roughly 2 million strong singapore citizen. We also have to create relevant jobs by attracting MNCs, this requires a large number of workforce. We simply do not have a sufficient number of local workforce to sustain such a global ecosystem.
@YEAH I want to ask whether did Josephine Teo answer the question directly or saying a bunch of sentences for us to interpret the answer? Jamus specifically asked whether she believes that slowing down that the number of S and employment pass alone can prevent local PMET from getting displacement. JT retorted that the ministry of manpower has constraints and the companies need foreign workers. She implicitly suggests that reckless measures may result in Singapore losing more jobs, etc. The essential point is further reducing the employment and S pass would not meet the stipulated goal of MOM, make Singapore economically viable. I have no qualms with this point. She hasn’t talked about whether the current measures have made more jobs readily available for Singapore. However, I wonder how has she answered whether the current measures alone are sufficient to prevent the displacement of local PMET. She could have answered yes, “I believe the current measures are effective and further elaborated on why she thinks so.” Perhaps, she can even state no and argue why we should not even care about whether the current measures of slowing down the rate of S and E Pass are sufficient in preventing local Singaporeans getting displaced. On top of that, she could have mentioned about the traineeship programmes and the multiple job schemes to help companies maintaining and creating jobs for local Singaporeans; clarifies that simply slowing down the rate of E and S pass isn’t the only measure now. I don’t see how her response has addressed the question. If this is a Gp or argumentative essay, I don’t see how the examiner will give her even a pass.
So, what has she done all these years to ensure Singaporeans achieve those 4!? Not a few of us including myself lost our jobs to foreigners. What govt said is not aligned to reality on the ground. We need massive immediate changes and not take your own sweet time approach when many are losing jobs and struggling. Most of us do not have your multi million $$$ salaries to see us not working for months!
@@BiancaCastafioreBand She shed tears but replied yes to Jamus question. Don't she realise MOM needs to do more than just tweaking work pass numbers? The challenge is not so straightforward.
I think effectively Josephine Teo did answer Jamus' question, by saying that all she stated was facts, and all these are data that are indeed true. However, I still believe that Jamus has a point to a certain extent, in which using percentage change is not a viable way to prove that the Government is effective in carrying out its policies for Singapore. This, Josephine Teo did not tackle well. To answer another of Jamus' question (not in the vid), Josephine then went on to talk about MOM's stance on the current slowing down the rate of growth of EP and S pass. To sum it up, should MOM be able to achieve their 4 goals effectively, yet maintain the slowing down the increase in number of these foreign worker passes, then of course they would be more than willing to continue doing so. However, the reality is that is not the case for Singapore, where we rely to a certain extent on foreign expertise and investments. Continuing to maintain the slow down in increase of these foreign worker passes could result in MOM not being able to maintain its 4 goals for Singaporeans, especially for the future generations. And as such, the Government will need to carefully consider the options before saying they are satisfied. This is just what I gathered from the transcript in the comment by Sulaiman B S (thanks man, I was also confused by Josephine Teo at first HAHA) so yeah its my stance what went on that's all.
Josephine Teo unfortunately is not confident in her reply. She is running the MOM and her reply is not up to a gd standard. Allowing foreign companies to set up their businesses here should correspondingly allow majority of singaporeans to work in such companies. A smaller percentage of foreigners may work in these companies too. To say, no foreign companies here in spore, no job for singaporeans is irrational!!!
Jo Teo could have avoided the heat by stating the REAL REASON why MOM cannot impose quota on EP is because of FTAs we signed. But she will throw Heng Swee Kiat and Chan Chun Sing under the bus.
To be fair, Jamus asked a relevant question and JT explained the delicate balance between keeping Singapore attractive to foreign investment and ensuring job opportunities for Singaporeans workers. I expect Jamus and JT to debate over how to make the pie bigger and still eat it. Dun stop the debate here. The real issue is there r companies that take advantage of our friendly foreign-investor policies to bring in their own countrymen and showed scant interest in keeping the Singaporean core in their workforce. Time for MOM to re-examine how to encourage and help Coy to recruit and develop local talents, and be more stringent in ensuring fair work opportunities. PAP’s approach of Singaporeans working hand in hand with foreigners to form a world class workforce to meet global competition is far-sighted and commendable in bringing in quality investments. Both of u, please work together to make that vision real!
Agree. We can keep the pie and eat it too - but not at the same time. Count the numbers or take out a few to stem it, i.e. monitor it. The effort to come to a shared vision gotta start with a dialogue where assumptions and defensive routines are held up. Ministers are made to behave like 'knowers'.
I don’t think she’s confused. She was speaking from an economic perspective, the truth is there’s no clear cut answer to any measure, and if you have a better way to solve this problem maybe you could suggest it. Jamus should try.
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For those who don't know what Josephine Teo is talking about, don't worry.
She doesn't know too.
True that
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Hahahaha .....what a jokes ? Not answering the question at all
hahahahahh.
😄😄😄
I dont know what talking her
I forgot to go school
I m sure Jamus doesn't know either
Jamus wasn’t disputing the numbers. He was highlighting that the interpretation of the numbers may not give a true picture of the PMET situation and he makes an important point. She spoke for 3.5 min rambling about things everyone already knows and agrees about “keep people employed, have less reliance on foreigners”. Without giving a single constructive idea. And this is what she’s being paid millions for?
did jamus give a constructive idea? anyone who takes an introductory class in statistics knows how to look beyond the numbers, jamus need not highlight his elementary knowledge. When he was further pressed later on on what he thought was a number the government should look at, he was speechless
@@MotherOfGodsoOP Dude, Jamus is not in the position to make policy, right?
May Flower
Yah! But JT FAILED BADLY
NO VOTE FOR HER
I was trying to grasp her point, it as if this is her maiden speech in Parliament. No wonder Thaman have to recuse her.
@@MotherOfGodsoOP what do u think about china's aggression in the South China Sea?
Honestly, this looks like what we used to call ‘smoking’ in an exam essay we didn’t really study for and trying to our best to fill the foolscap paper with stuff so that it doesn’t look blank.
True- I know that feeling LOL
Ciest La vie...such is life
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This is a rather expensive ‘smoked answer’.
Fortunately it happened.
Thank you Jamus Lim the mirror which reflected the incompetence of Josephine Teo. Please continue to use your mirror to reflect many more Josephine Teos sitting in the parliament.
To JT, if you are intelligent enough, QUIT politics!
"This is what the facts..."
"This is what they were..."
"I stated the facts..."
"I merely stated the facts..."
"The facts...are what they are..."
Ladies and gentlemen, our Minister for Manpower.
Yo what up little homie, my S dawg 😂😄✌️👍
"-_-
you prefer Dennis Tan's tia gongs and hearsays, and Jamus figureless mini wage and see how first when to implement?
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JM is not asking about the FACTS. JT don't seem to understand.
"We have a FACT. We have STATED THE FACTS and together we have MERELY STATED THE FACTS"...this is what I comprehend.
Jamus don’t know how to respond .......cos cannot understand what the hell she is saying
Maybe Jamus was not offered a chance to response !! Or even worse, CNA DELIBERATELY don't telecast his response !!!
In actual fact, JT did answer Jamus' questions. Don't be so fazed and amazed by the angmoh accent.
Question by JL:
Is slowing down the rate of EPs and SPass holders sufficient in preventing local PMETs from being displaced.
Measurements in terms of %increase might be misleading when we consider absolute numbers. 20% increase from 50 is 10 pax. 10% increase from 200 is 20 pax. Therefore the claim that the slowdown is less dramatic than as claimed by JT.
A simple summary (*intepretation, as some prefer*) of JT's answer is this:
1. If you suddenly reduce the number of SPASS and EP holders in an unsustainable manner where the number of locals available cannot replace, we might end up having companies closing down in an already tough recession climate.
In layman's terms:
We can have a company hiring 56 foreign PMET and 44 local PMET. But if we suddenly cut the number by say 12 and increase the hiring of 12 local PMET = 44 foreign PMET 56 local PMET, without the ability to supply 12 local PMET (skilled, trained), it might ultimately become unsustainable to operate. We either suck the existing 44 local pmets dry by making them work OT (sure if you are willing to work the extra long work hours) or close the company down resulting in further large scale unemployment of both PMETs and non PMETs. This in turn harms the people the policy originally aims to benefit.
Now, the government is trying to slow the reliance on foreign PMETs while at the same time gradually training up our local pool of graduates with the right skills ( globally sought after ). This takes time... look at the jobs our parents hold back in the early 2000s. Look at the jobs we millenials hold. The standard of jobs our young adults hold have increased significantly. This doesn't occur over 1 or 2 years.
The hiring of foreign PMET is a temporary blunt solution to sustain company operations, long enough for our own Singapore core to gradually fill up the spots with right skills. As an example at the present moment a company of 100 may hire 56 foreign PMET and 44 local PMET. Then it increases the headcount to 150 (81 foreign and 69 local). Yes there is a drastic 45% increase in foreign PMETs, but at the same time the number of locals hired will be raised by 56%. SooooOoo, don't just look at the 45% increase in hiring foreigners. Because this has resulted in an increase in the number of local singaporeans being employed.
Such numbers are just raw figure plays as some naysayers might argue. But look at the current state of employment in singapore, compare it with other democratic nations and cities with natural resources.
2) she is just stating the percentage and not trying to do number play. In my opinion, everyone knows percentage is relative. You can just refer to employment statistics to convert the percentage to absolute numbers if you prefer.
Don’t understand what jo is saying
@@yea5458 Are you sure the local PMET are not skilled or trained enough or rather they are being overlooked??? I doubt so. I have worked in the IT Industry and I do see many talented locals but they are not being considered fairly. A point to note: Why do we call Chennai Business Park? Vietnamese has good developers as well and there are many other countries which are equally good in the technological sector as well.
The problem is this, alot of these ministers are not working in the technology sector and therefore clueless on the ground level. You need to work on the ground more, and understand the local PMET views.
@@yea5458 Your summary is in no way simple. And i believe you added points that JT did not touch on.
me trying to answer my exam paper that i studied 20% for
LOL!!!
Yeah we need someone capable. On one hand she showed her empathy by shedding tears in Parliament but to Jamus Lim's question in the same house she answered yes without understanding that she needs to do more beyond current measures... Don't know what to say.
HAHAHA
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Jamus Lim:
I appreciate the efforts by MOM to address PMET concerns. And that said, I would like to clarify if Minister Teo believes that simply slowing down the rate of EP and S Pass holders is sufficient to ensure that local PMETs do not get displaced. I say this in part because this strategy, while it’s a very blunt strategy, and for starters we need to take into account base effects.
So, let me explain. Even if the rate of issuance has slowed, as Minister Teo has shared, it's misleading to actually compare the two. So for instance a 20% increase from 50 people, for example, is 10 people but a 10% increase from 200 people is in fact an increase of 20 people which is larger in absolute terms.
Now, I understand that 35,000 people is larger than 9,000 but the point is that the slowdown in the rate of EP and S Pass issuance is less dramatic than Minister Teo claims. Moreover, we should be aware that of the effect of diminishing returns by which I mean, many PMET positions may already have been secured by foreign talent so it's no surprise that the number that is now required actually goes down.
Josephine Teo:
Thank you. Mr Speaker, I merely stated the facts. I did not say that one contribute, I did not say that one contributed to the other. I stated the facts, this is what they were. The facts. Are what they are. But I thought that I should perhaps address Dr Jamus Lim’s other questions. Are we satisfied with slowing down the rate of growth of EP and S Pass holders?
The perspective that I'd like to share is this, ultimately, we have to ask ourselves, what does it take to help Singaporeans stay in employment; stay out of unemployment and over time, to achieve income growth to achieve retirement adequacy. Those are the four things that MOM is always looking at.
Then we ask ourselves what is the best way to achieve these outcomes. If we can do so without adding to the number of EP, S Pass holders for that matter if we can do so continue to deliver good outcomes, help Singaporeans enjoy high employment, low unemployment, income growth and retirement adequacy without using more foreigners as complements to our workforce.
If we can reduce the reliance on unproductive manpower-intensive methods of work in some of our business sectors today. If we can groom more Singaporeans, to take up the good jobs that we are creating, then of course, the answer is yes. But the important thing really is - what does it take to deliver and bring about these good outcomes for Singaporeans?
And then we ask ourselves within the options that are available to us as a tiny red dot. How can we mitigate the difficulties, the shortcomings, and the worries that people have - legitimate worries that people have about a very sizable foreign workforce. We are aligned in that regard. I don't think that the destination that we want to head towards is a different one.
But we have to ask ourselves, looking at the opportunities as well as the constraints we have as a tiny city-state which Mr Leong Mun Wai reminds us we’re a tiny city-state, we're not a tiny city and a tiny city-state has got its opportunities, but it also has its constraints - within those constraints what is the best way to help Singaporeans move forward. That has to be the answer and not some pre-determined ideas about what you bring it down to. Supposing we can bring it down to zero, even negative which is what has happened the first seven months of this year. I reported to members the first seven months of this year, total number of EP and S Pass holders have gone down by 22,000 - that's what it is.
Suppose we can bring it down to a different number and so on but at the same time, the job opportunities for Singapore have shrunk. Your children, my children one day coming to us and say mom, dad, sorry, you know - can't find a decent job in Singapore anymore. And they really no longer have that opportunity of the six in ten jobs that we talked about - which many countries have found themselves similar in that sort of a situation, is that going to be better for us?
Well we'll have to think very hard about whether the answer is yes, thank you.
Okay so looking at this I think she did answer the question but with a lot of irrelevant information to be honest. Should have just said yes or no before explaining her stance. Would be clearer instead of beating around the bush.
@@prl1184 Yes or No answers is never a clear or explicit answer.
Thanks for your subtitle
@@prl1184 Agree. She said a lot of unnecessary things to fluff up her answer, but made it more confusing as an end result.
Thank you for typing it out. It was very helpful
JL: What did you have for lunch?
JT: Children might complain to me about their future. Hence, the answer is yes. For the propsperity of Singapore.
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So you agree with me that Jamus is acting like a clown, asking stupid and irrelevant questions, thanks
She is ultimately the most expensive "taichi" master in the world!.
Mrs. Josephine Teo, you are just FULL of EXCUSES !!! You have absolutely NO SOLUTION !!! Please RESIGN IMMEDIATELY !!!
taichi, definitely; master, nah
Taichi family number one why turn around wasted time taking only no action , go to learn kung fu better
@@songssounds8635 stop spamming lah
She say she will listen to what Singaporean is saying. But it show not. She is just throwing some smoke bomb here and there to smoke us all from the truth.
If I replied like JT to my CEO, I will be executed
@@MrAtomUniverse he reviews it every 4 years, but 60% of the board decide that Boon Chua is good, so no execution. LOL
hahaha bro is that Chief Executing Officer? haha
Because she still thinks that we all got the positions jumbled up, she is the CEO. 😂
she is smarter than you... she joined an organization with salaries that are bench mark with cream of the crop corporate world but does not gets corporate punishment when things fail
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She is like a tape recorder. Listening to her really is a test of your intelligence and patience.
Not only like tape recorder. The way and tone when she speak always sound like she think everybody is stupid or stupider than her and she's giving some kind of great revelation or something. It's annoying af!!!
Absolutely the worst minister in Singapore’s history. How did she retain her post after GE? She shouldn’t have been included in the cabinet reshuffle
When people ask you how to cook rice but you teach them how to grow watermelons
HAIYAAAAAA
@@jasontungjw i see you watch uncle roger as well😏😏
Oof
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Your comments r aptly defined n most Singaporeans will certainly agree with u.
She is totally talking to her ownself and she does not know what she is talking about. Appalling.
She not even understand what Jamus was talking
She does not pay attention to the question,ms jt,please answer the Question
I think some people are not used to be rebutted due to the culture of self preservation
the fact that mr jamus lim has 1 min screen time and the other lady has like 4 mins says a lot about this
Can’t believe she has the cheek to say that our children will find us and complain they can’t have a job. Is this what a minister should even say.
Our children from millennium generation and almost are 99% holding diploma. If they dont find good job then what they find? Parents pay highly for their education, is it for them to find a dish washing job. The tiny state is contraint but yet we still can invite FT🤭🤭🤭🤭
@@joisteo9800 so many new MRT stations n HDBs were built for FTs, not for SGeans.
More and better opposition MPs are showing how lacking the PAP are in debating skills and substance. And even when they were given the questions in advance. Can we imagine how would the do if they were in the UK House of Commons? All motherhood statements totally irrelevant to the question.
@Michael Lim even locals wont be offered that 3.5k cos FTs are cheaper even with levies factored in. PAP definitely would not stand behind locals Sgean cos there's far more money to milk from a FT than a local.
@@123-h5i5y PAP members are never good for a fair debate, thats why they joined PAP. No need to answer questions, just claim national security or pretend take up some bad acting lessons like Josephine Teo.
"I stated the facts, this is what they were. The facts, are what they are"
i don't know why but i'm wheezing at this
Stick the red dot up ur nose
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Facts don't care about your feelings
When u have to hit a word limit on your essay but you run out of things to say.
Me too
Pay her millions to waste parliamentary time? Just answer the questions directly. No need all the grandma stories.
so many " IF " " ASK YOURSELF "...
Dont understand what she is answering..
MOM should have address this issue long time ago and not take action only when things happened.
Exactly! From back in those days already we (YOUNG PEOPLE WHO STUDIED ECONS!) tried to put the govt to task and questioned them on why all these PMET foreigners were given the good jobs when Singaporeans are equally qualified, competent and experienced (if not better). We were labelled xenophobic, racist etc for pushing for a "Singaporeans First" ethos. We already saw this coming back in 2003, but everyone now is just waking up.. Seriously, the government is a JOKE. If you couldn't stop this problem in its infancy as highly-paid millionaire ministers back then, and if you were too dumb to realise the truth of what real EDUCATED and BRILLIANT young Singaporeans were espousing and foreseeing in 2003, you do not deserve to have this job of being an MP/Minister! For shame! 😡
@@BiancaCastafioreBand yes.... u nailed it...👍👍👍
What do you expect they only react when theres a reaction no planning whatsoever
Think if this debate comes before ge, think pap will lose even more voters lol
Eric Lim in fact these days alot companies both HR and IT are mostly foreigners, I wonder where is the control and doesn't justify when gov keep "empty promise" for keeping Singaporean to be securely employed. But I still see jobless people out there, and its our fellow Singaporeans.
She stammers wth a fake smile ..........and totally avoid the question
Absolutely true...soo fake..soo much income..wat kind of human is this...unbelievable..
Munerah Mohamed balasan nye akan datang, kalau tak kena dia, keluarga dia yang kena. Ah Soh in Yang biarkan covid merebak.
For too long has PAP talk/debate amongst themselves. its refreshing when non-pap with brains challenges these elites and shows how they can't perform
Are they really elite? Looking at how Jo Teo responded the questions, does everyone in this world believe they are true elites?
JB Han they r better than U lor
More like elite bookworms...
Digimon Lovers jamus bring all e textbooks to parliament lor, haha
Lee Jj e textbook is the future, OYK said that haha
I always talk like Josephine Teo during oral confuse the examiners
Honestly, This Jamus is there to lecture.
You call tell that Jo Teo has no answer to his questions. She is just acknowledging his question but then gong a lot of jiao wei from her template of responses...
Totally!! 😂😂
Ya, talk so much don't know talk what.
To be fair I dont think theres an easy anwser to this question but having people like jamus who can ask questions eloquently should at least force them to think about it
@@someoneonly I agree. But don't know say don't know. Don't try to smoke her way through as if she has the answer.
this is the caliber of minister we have??
Thank you, that response cost Singaporeans SGD $8000 for the day. Value for money right? ;) I regress the c. SGD 2 million annual salary for senior ministers
Fortunately opposition is our only hope.
Let's be fair and say that's not necessarily reflective of everyone in cabinet. Teo Chee Han, Ng Eng Hen, Tharman, Vivian, Shanmugam, Masagos.. all good leaders
I think only Google Map could pin point her point
I think not even google can do it
HAHAHA
Even with 5g network and 5ghz WiFi... I'm afraid it's still pretty hard to triangulate..
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"Tiny City State" with highest paid Minister who sneered at constructive questioning.
Try travel to any country nearby and live there for a few years to understand corruption. I am from Vietnam, I think SG MPs' pays are justified because corruptions destroy the culture and the system for generations. And as no system is perfect, the Singapore system allows your active participant in voting the politicians out if they don't do a good job.
@@jasonle6910 dont try to convince him , he is ignorant
@@jasonle6910 still no match for Germany and Sweden. Over there, they have proportional representation. No single party has monopoly on power.
@@andrewsitu3472 wait ... I thought the criticism is about MP's high salary. Ok. And to your point, how many refugees from Syria and that region has Germany taken in the past 6 years v s Singapore's taking 0 refugee? And have you spoken to an Asian born in Sweden about how they feel? Some Asian Swedes told me people think of them as foreigners all their life, at school or work or social gatherings! I'm speaking about Racism if you aren't clear.
@@jasonle6910 the point is that >50% of PAPigs are unelectable. They are only entrenched due to first past the post system that creates an artificial majority. NZ ditched this system and adopted proportional representation. Westminster style does have its flaws and NZ made a wise move, which allowed a capable leader like Jacinda Ardern to rise to the top. If we had proportional representation we would have less PAPigs and more brilliant people like CSJ, Tambyah and Nicole Seah instead. Leong Min Wai would also be a full MP instead of a NCMP.
She is not even answering Mr Jamus question!!!
Dr Jamus
Evasion n Aversion is their strategy.
Did you mean james's question? Cz, James is not a question.
@Tan Tan may be not every question deservs an answer.
The classic debate strategy to answer the question with something completely irrelevant
"A tiny red dot"! ? yet we have so many FTs and so many highly paid MPs? Strange.. she seem as lost as the missing East Coast Plan
Tiny red dot flooded with foreign talent🤭
actually the east coast plan name is “together, we have an east coast plan” so he just tripped over his words lmaoo
Tiny red dot must kotow to big countries ,must not have balls.
So national servicemen are all enunch s....huh...
Dont know what nonsense josephine teo talking about.Not answering to his question.She panic already
Such is life..C'est La Vie
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It is clear who is really a minister here and who is just a comedian.
Please don't insult the comedians. At least we get our money's worth with them.
The most expensive comedy show ever haha
Gotta hand it to her. She is actually quite funny
She got buck teeth 🦷 🦷 🦷 🦷
You are spot on Jamus. For too long MOM always says they slowed down the growth of foreigner. Slow growth is still growth. What about Singaporean growth?
*When you need to write a 2,000 words essay*
"I merely stated the facts, I did not say that one contributed, I did not say that one contributed to the other I stated the facts this is what they were the facts are what they are"
My grandfather kickstarting his 40 year old motorcycle is smoother than JT trying to figure the answer...
Nope. Coz he knew what he was doing.
Lol
Than you ask your grandfather run for election ok? I vote for him. Tell him I’m his number 1 supporter!!
Long live Kong Kong!
Yah there were loads of thinking on the go moments in the response
Teo talk so much to beat around the bush but didn't actually answer the question. PAP is only good at wayang.
Next GE... 2 more grc!
Indeed
@@RonLarhz the next election votes will be 50/50 ,half parliament would have GRC, same as PAP
i dont understand what Josephine saying
She doesn't want to spook the foreigners in the country
English version of "Lau Koh Ling".
you understand then I worry
I think even she herself also doesn't understand what she was saying
She’s shooting blanks to everyone present there. She’s out of her wits and doesn’t know her job in truth. Even Jamus’s expression becomes 🤔 ???? after hearing her out.
讲了等于没讲
Whole statement phrased in general terms, without content and solutions.
还在乱讲！人民付出了非常昂贵的代价，倒不如不用付！
Still continue to babble! Very expensive fees for ineffective babbling. Do SGs need this substandard minister in parliament to represent them?
Am I the only one who don’t understand wat Josephine Teo is toking about
Trying to 🐟 around.. caught any and will talk about that with glowing eyes .
I think it's quite clear, she just threw a whole bunch of smoke bombs to confuse everyone. This is the sad state of SG. Incompetent ppl in high position.
U got smoked out liao lar...
The only part I understand is the Pythagoras Theorem
Deer 🦌, is that you? GG
"I stated the facts, this is what they were... the facts are what they are."
huh i catch no ball
Asked about pmet, she diverted completely to a macro view.
Too bad you don't get it. That Macro View is the crux. Moral of the story Companies leave Singapore we are doomed
AND she answered well...for a Minister who have been chastised heavily for not handling the manpower issue adequately. The objectives remain the same....it is about finding the right balance.
Maybe watched Divergent repeatedly?
@Sushi Saim
Many local companies also hire foreign PMETs because it is cheaper to run with lower manpower cost.
I am happy with cheaper services as a result of foreign PMET until I lose my job because of them.
My children have to make themselves more competitive otherwise they will end up washing cars for foreign PMETs.
Many years ago Penang wanted Seagate to set up shop there. The deal breaker was the inability to produce 500 engineers.
Same goes for Singapore. The ability to attract top banking companies to setup shop requires a certain level of trade off.
Casting a blind eye to these companies who maintain a certain level of biased HR practices to bring in their own talent, the fear of corporate usurpation from Singaporeans, corporate bottomline, etc....
HR practices are as well complicated as a poker game.
So... What is her answer actually?
Did she promises something or stating some wishes. What will she do then? I'm confused!
Taichi queen
SOP response when they don’t have a good answer. Doesn’t it sound all too familiar by now? Across various ministries and ministers, the art of Tai-Chi.
A series of words. Words. Words. Maybe her family losing one income is on her mind. Will Surbana replace him with one from CECA?
How the hell did she get into PARLIMENT
Back door politics
Her husband was Surbana Jurong International CEO. He has resigned & will stay on the job till 30 September 2020. (Really? Or already on leave till last day?)
by the kangaroo
Maybe she is a...... FREE RIDER?
Demonthatgotlordkeith
Of course!
First, rides on her husband, Ex-CEO. (Maybe from better-off family background than hers? OR sex in a small space without complaints)
Then, rides off the people of SG ( must have introduced some evil measures to sabotage SGs for money to get promoted to minister)
So, learn the bad ways to rise from lower level to higher level without hard work 😓
After listening to her so called “answer”, or perhaps I would say her “speech”, I kinda worry about the future of Singapore.
For real. This instance felt like a really sad joke.
@@Nocthmyst C'est la vie..such is life
Agreed
These are the type of Cabinet Ministers only to avoid answering questions
No deal to that .ur children has no reason to say that
Actually what she said made sense ...
Agree with u
@Sushi Saim we meet again. Okok I get it - Compassion
Next time you don’t know how to answer, just end your speech with “for Singapore”. Everyone will clap for you no matter what.
same sentiments. she is a joke
Of course must clap... she handled a hard qns narrowly 😅
This woman has nothing to say and keep throwing smoke bombs and confusing the public... never give straight answer... like choking on her food...
er typical PAP response. Feels that they have a class to teach them how to twist turn smoke bomb here and there. lol
at least better than "what is the point behind your question"
@@joytotheworldddd did you know there is a lee kuan yew school that ministers have to go to, to attend classes to teach them how to speak lololol.
Now you know how their BS power is too strong
If I were to ans like JT to my boss in a dept meeting, he or the whole dept will say I have wasted everyone's time. We are well awared of our contraints as "Tiny Red Dot" and we look towards your leadership to solve the problem. That's why you are elected and have been paid well. So.. We definitely deserve a better reply than this!
She is answering like that because she don’t feel she’s responding to a “boss” or someone she needs to be accountable to. If you notice her tone it’s still like the “I’m educating you” kind of tone rather than “yes let’s collaborate on these pointers”
Keep this up and let’s see how the next election goes
This has to be the worst non answer ever. why she suddenly talk about her children and my children half way through??
Self centered mind,gov same....
cause as always pap only care about themselves
All smoke and mirrors. Never forgetting those key words to score points.
😂😆🤣
And she CRIED!
Crocodile tears (Was drama her CCA in school?)
Just wondering whose children will suffer? Hers or ours? Her children may be able to live off her estate at the rate she is being paid as a Minister. Am wondering too if she mentioned this in her speech knowing too well that her children may not likely to be impacted? By the way, is there a need to bring this up in her speech when we are hoping to hear constructive solutions to our current problems?
Thanks CNA. Thanks Jamus.
So for the last 4-5 years, MOM does not know what are the objectives of helping Singaporean? Don’t give general answer
Joining PAP prerequisite: taichi speech mastery.
JT mastery level: novice
You've made my day 🤣🤣
Chan Chun Sing shaking his head. He knows the question is valid and is a tough one to answer.
But what is JT answering? My goodness...
Was LHL in d house when JT had her speech!?
I notice CCS shaking his head as well lol
@@JamesYYLee which timing can share?
Shouldn’t she be asking that questions to herself???
Exactly
Exactly
Wa lao ppl here cannot understand or dont want to understand. Realistically, Minister J Teo is right. We are a tiny city state. Within 2 mins, already out of Singapore airspace. She is right , fact is that if we make it hard for companies to operate here, they will go elsewhere and we will in deeper trouble than now. Anyone who is oblivious to this fact is simply not living the reality. Hope more dont lose their jobs.
answering a question with a question, that is what they do with the pay
J. Green Where else in South East Asia is a suitable alternative? Singapore will still be the best choice in the region even with less foreign talent.
J Teo's brain literally system error 404 after the questions asked by Jamus Lim. She did not answer his question but just kept on rumbling for a way out.
LOLOL
Mrs. Josephine Teo, you are just FULL of EXCUSES !!! You have absolutely NO SOLUTION !!! Please RESIGN IMMEDIATELY !!!
Maybe Jamus was not offered a chance to response !! Or even worse, CNA DELIBERATELY don't telecast his response !!!
I like this...system error 404...this is really funny but quite true.
She’s clueless on what to say and resorts to shooting blanks to everyone present there.... Jamus is clearly scratching his head 😂
LoL!
Whos here for Jamus thumbs up👍
I only watch this video cause Jamus inside
I see Jamus I click like
My sea hum was warmed for a moment then the camera switch , I started to puke small spaces . When the camera changes my heart gets warm then sadly puke again when the image changes .
me too, But Jamus wife is foreigner . naturally ppl here hate them but if you know any foreigner friend then you learn to appreciate them. We also came here from foreigner migrated here
Trust me, You are not the only one.
@@JGreen-ec9uo generally Singaporean does not really hate foreigners. We hate free loaders who does not assimilate. Those who are here milk the system and go somewhere else . True story, I heard a story of a South Asian who stayed here for fifteen years asking her local colleague who happens to eat wanton noodles what is that. Just go to both sides of fort road any weekend , you will smell certain spices in the air. These foreigners will gather among themselves and hardly bother to assimilate unless for career advancement opportunities. There are many other more these folks here . Using the opportunity to buy property , after few years goes back . Leaving the locals with high property prices. Ultimately locals are at the lose end , you sell high , you need to buy high also as you live here. For them , they sell back to you high , they say bye bye .
Could you please tell me how come average four room government HDB flat prices from the early 2000s of 180K to today 360K ? Does the raw material increase 100% or your pay increase 100% last decade ?
She is just beating around the bush, while Jamus is was clear on his point.
Josephine Teo uses words such as 'constraints', or "the best way" to solve the problem, without actually talking about the issue.
I certainly do not want such a minister in our parliament. And i will vote against the PAP to prevent such a person from becoming a politician, let alone a minister.
Wasting our taxpayers money on such low calibre minister..
JT NEEDS TO STEP DOWN... waste of tax payer's monies!
If capability to confuse is kpi, she is worth more than a million.
Then you stand in election and win la easy to say
She just do not have any clue to answer Jamus question.
Crying because panicky cannot answer the questions. Whole Spore looking at her
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she crying cos Jamus is a better candidate than her. she crying cos she knew she's a free loader sitting in parliament waiting for singaporeans retrenched and foreigners getting high paid.
JT's response is just terrible. Really facepalm. Everything she spews is rubbish.
No thanks to those Gundos who voted her in. Vote in a comedian you get a comedy. Period
JT should have gone to Sengkang instead of NCM.
Sis jt should write more scripts before she start her 'drama',so that she don't just mumbling her words,thanks
I cannot believe that our local don't have the talents to fill up those fields. But yet government is proud of their world class education systems.
Miss Teo, u missed the point, James was trying to say the slow growth in EP/Sp could be because jobs have been filled by foreigners, no need for them anymore. Had you not been so liberal in the issuances of these passes in the previous years, those jobs could be taken by my friends and relatives and myself even.
I pray that your children will have a taste of what it is like to be discriminated against, lose out on jobs when they are better. I believe your God is watching and will bring about this. Amen
But raising the cap has already seen many of them going back to their country. This means job openings... But whether the employer chooses to get a foreigner or Singaporean is basically up to them
If you are unable to look after jobs for singaporeans, how do you look after the economy?
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I have some serious neck pains just by watching her speak.
Head pain also
When in doubt, Just add "Ask Ourself" into your sentences.
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walao ask me also still dk what is going on
This is the reason why people voted for Dr Jamus Lim, to voice out for the Singaporean women and men on the streets....
Minister Teo has no idea how to solve the problem.... Do remember that she is extremely highly compensated which mean that she need to do deliver without any excuse
any minister needs to do her/his job. If she has been doing so good job, why there are so many concerns and voices regarding singaporeans being misplaced, being marginalised? Can Jo Teo answers this?
I don’t understand why Josephine Teo has to keep restating the fact that we’re a “little red dot” and a “small city state” and repeatedly point out the obvious fact that we face constraints in terms of size. Shouldn’t the correct question to be asked and answered here be: As a small city state, what can we do to circumvent this issue besides hiring foreign talent? What makes foreign talent better than local talent? Why aren’t we matching up to them? Repeatedly pointing out our inadequacies without proposing solutions doesn’t solve anything.
Wasting time listen to her
in a way, she is telling you she have long hung up her boots that no further amount of effort, nothing more could be done. This is what it is and singaporeans have to suck it up and admit the cecas are better. We take on the menial jobs. We are someone else's stooges and this isn't our stage. I don't think this is what LKY aspired when he asked us to chase the rainbow and ride it.
Exactly! From back in those days already we (YOUNG PEOPLE WHO STUDIED ECONS!) tried to put the govt to task and questioned them on why all these PMET foreigners were given the good jobs when Singaporeans are equally qualified, competent and experienced (if not better). We were labelled xenophobic, racist etc for pushing for a "Singaporeans First" ethos. We already saw this coming back in 2003, but everyone now is just waking up.. Seriously, the government is a JOKE. If you couldn't stop this problem in its infancy as highly-paid millionaire ministers back then, and if you were too dumb to realise the truth of what real EDUCATED and BRILLIANT young Singaporeans were espousing and foreseeing in 2003, you do not deserve to have this job of being an MP/Minister! For shame! 😡
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Some wise advice by Mr Lee for all of you who don't understand. "But we do things in a sensible way. Don't let the economy go down. Whatever else we do our companies must be competitive and stay competitive."
Yep that would be a solid reply. That’s the kind of caliber we need. Unfortunately though....
Thumb up for Dr Jamus Lim
What the hell is she talking about, answer the question.
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Answer the question. We want answers, not a sermon
Hahahaha! Ikr?!!
They only know how to do one and a half job .... First sermons then if fail pop smoke lol .
MP Jo Teo circled a full spin around Mother Earth, but never answer MP Jamus' question.
😅😅😅👍👍👍
Jamus to be Minister of Manpower...
YES!!
Well said bro
Well never get a direct answer from her. Just like the overcrowded foreign dorms and the high infection rates.
She’s good at talking to herself, lol ...😩😩😩
Absolutely true...No transparency As Usual...
We need Bulldozers like our WP...to make them look like idiots..
I just wanted to hear the response to Jamus question but I'm rather disappointed
So do everyone I believe. I feel hopefulness when having such mom minister.
Actually both of them don't understand each other lol. But MOM has already did what they did which saw many of the foreign workers packing their bags and leaving the country. And their jobs are now open
@Sushi Saim actually I'm working in an MNC and my EP (fellow colleagues) are in danger of being sent back after their pass expires; due to the increment. The SP(people under me) are also. Some are already gone with a snap of a finger. These means open jobs for Singaporeans.
@@reubenjonaspretzels4831 curious to know if you think replacing these jobs with Singaporeans will be challenging or easy?
@@jcsemaj1 what do u think?
The problem started initially from 10-15 years ago, when Singapore opened the flood gate to Foreigners without training local talents. They took the shortcut hiring FTs to advance faster. Now..this is the result & consequences of their past actions. They're now facing not enough manpower and shortage of local talents. They have to clean up their own mess caused by themselves. Lol..
Exactly! From back in those days already we (YOUNG PEOPLE WHO STUDIED ECONS!) tried to put the govt to task and questioned them on why all these PMET foreigners were given the good jobs when Singaporeans are equally qualified, competent and experienced (if not better). We were labelled xenophobic, racist etc for pushing for a "Singaporeans First" ethos. We already saw this coming back in 2003, but everyone now is just waking up.. Seriously, the government is a JOKE. If you couldn't stop this problem in its infancy as highly-paid millionaire ministers back then, and if you were too dumb to realise the truth of what real EDUCATED and BRILLIANT young Singaporeans were espousing and foreseeing in 2003, you do not deserve to have this job of being an MP/Minister! For shame! 😡
Yes... u nailed it bro... This has been going on for more than a decade...
If you were to dissect the data, I can assure you that most of the FTs are in GENERALIST jobs..not technical or specialized roles. Jobs that Singaporeans CAN do but shut out of the system due to cronysim and nepotism from very invasive cultures. They packed the layers and declare Singaporeans are not hungry and competent. Dont accept this narrative, we are great at Generalist roles, for the rest, we welcome FTs..
Bro go to NTUC you will notice a big difference in attitude with our local cashier and Indonesian cashier lady . How polite are the later and also remind me if i am near $20 mark to earn point so i get something to cross that and get points. We need to train and re train. Go to a clinic aso ask a price for something our local assistant say they don't know must ask doctor and leave it there but foreign one politely gets the info to us and caring too. We need to change first. This difference increases with more complex jobs so these foreign companies hire from other countries thats why . now if they leave then we all jobless and worse this situation
J. Green Recently l had a bad experience with the foreign workers in the Customer Service Dept of a big organisation. It’s absolutely a fallacy that just because they are from some poor third world countries they are somehow better workers than Singaporeans in attitudes n skills. One of them can’t even write in proper English to me! You must have been very lucky to be served by a polite foreigner working in the front line.
Tiny red dot still let in more people. Wasn’t she contradicting herself?
And worst she ever said’our children and her children can’t get a job... ‘what a laughing 😝 stock
She’s joining the ‘XIA suay’ minister club😓
Going round in circles
Where can I watch the full video?\
Google parliament, then go to the video section. The whole thing is about 50plus min
Well done, Jamus!
As a millenial, i understand in actual fact, JT did answer Jamus' questions. Don't be so fazed and amazed by the angmoh accent.
Question by JL:
Is slowing down the rate of EPs and SPass holders sufficient in preventing local PMETs from being displaced.
Measurements in terms of %increase might be misleading when we consider absolute numbers. 20% increase from 50 is 10 pax. 10% increase from 200 is 20 pax. Therefore the claim that the slowdown is less dramatic than as claimed by JT.
A simple summary (*take away in more apt terms as some might argue*) of JT's answer is this:
1. If you suddenly reduce the number of SPASS and EP holders in an unsustainable manner where the number of locals available cannot replace, we might end up having companies closing down in an already tough recession climate.
In layman's terms:
We can have a company hiring 56 foreign PMET and 44 local PMET. But if we suddenly cut the number by say 12 and increase the hiring of 12 local PMET = 44 foreign PMET 56 local PMET, without the ability to supply 12 local PMET (skilled, trained), it might ultimately become unsustainable to operate. We either suck the existing 44 local pmets dry by making them work OT (sure if you are willing to work the extra long work hours) or close the company down resulting in further large scale unemployment of both PMETs and non PMETs. This in turn harms the people the policy originally aims to benefit.
Now, the government is trying to slow the reliance on foreign PMETs while at the same time gradually training up our local pool of graduates with the right skills ( globally sought after ). This takes time... look at the jobs our parents hold back in the early 2000s. Look at the jobs we millenials hold. The standard of jobs our young adults hold have increased significantly. This doesn't occur over 1 or 2 years.
The hiring of foreign PMET is a temporary blunt solution to sustain company operations, long enough for our own Singapore core to gradually fill up the spots with right skills. As an example at the present moment a company of 100 may hire 56 foreign PMET and 44 local PMET. Then it increases the headcount to 150 (81 foreign and 69 local). Yes there is a drastic 45% increase in foreign PMETs, but at the same time the number of locals hired will be raised by 56%. SooooOoo, don't just look at the 45% increase in hiring foreigners. Because this has resulted in an increase in the number of local singaporeans being employed.
Such numbers are just raw figure plays as some naysayers might argue. But look at the current state of employment in singapore, compare it with other democratic nations and cities with natural resources.
2) she is just stating the percentage and not trying to do number play. In my opinion, everyone knows percentage is relative. You can just refer to employment statistics to convert the percentage to absolute numbers if you prefer.
Well said!
Since u r the millenia gen, may i asked, r u in the top tier of the work force? Does your generation hv not what it takes to fullfilled our work force? Are unguys the reason why we r relying on Foreign workers to filled up most og the PMET positions? Are your indirectly agree that your genration is a failure?
Exactly.
@@Stonely1974 I work in the r&d sector, for an MNC. I would choose to believe that my generation is not a failure, but a byproduct of the Singaporean core (pioneer generation, merdeka and most importantly our Boomer generation).
The only reason I can give you is:
Singapore is a global city state. Our hinterland is the world. If we produce for ourselves and can remain self sufficient with natural resources. Sure enough we do not need foreigners to fill up some of our jobs. But as we all know from years of social studies, singapore is a small and open economy with no natural resource. To remain relevant we have to import and export our food resource for our roughly 2 million strong singapore citizen. We also have to create relevant jobs by attracting MNCs, this requires a large number of workforce. We simply do not have a sufficient number of local workforce to sustain such a global ecosystem.
@YEAH
I want to ask whether did Josephine Teo answer the question directly or saying a bunch of sentences for us to interpret the answer?
Jamus specifically asked whether she believes that slowing down that the number of S and employment pass alone can prevent local PMET from getting displacement.
JT retorted that the ministry of manpower has constraints and the companies need foreign workers.
She implicitly suggests that reckless measures may result in Singapore losing more jobs, etc. The essential point is further reducing the employment and S pass would not meet the stipulated goal of MOM, make Singapore economically viable. I have no qualms with this point. She hasn’t talked about whether the current measures have made more jobs readily available for Singapore.
However, I wonder how has she answered whether the current measures alone are sufficient to prevent the displacement of local PMET. She could have answered yes, “I believe the current measures are effective and further elaborated on why she thinks so.” Perhaps, she can even state no and argue why we should not even care about whether the current measures of slowing down the rate of S and E Pass are sufficient in preventing local Singaporeans getting displaced.
On top of that, she could have mentioned about the traineeship programmes and the multiple job schemes to help companies maintaining and creating jobs for local Singaporeans; clarifies that simply slowing down the rate of E and S pass isn’t the only measure now.
I don’t see how her response has addressed the question. If this is a Gp or argumentative essay, I don’t see how the examiner will give her even a pass.
JL : Hi josephine , How are you?
JT : Err..... Don't Ask About My Age
JL : ???
"Warm the cockles of my heart" to see Jamus lim in Parliament. What he said make so much sense!
So, what has she done all these years to ensure Singaporeans achieve those 4!? Not a few of us including myself lost our jobs to foreigners. What govt said is not aligned to reality on the ground. We need massive immediate changes and not take your own sweet time approach when many are losing jobs and struggling. Most of us do not have your multi million $$$ salaries to see us not working for months!
Less than an hour garnered 2.3k views. The other JoTeo video without Jamus just 130 views.
Hahahahaa.. who wants to see her!
@@BiancaCastafioreBand She shed tears but replied yes to Jamus question. Don't she realise MOM needs to do more than just tweaking work pass numbers? The challenge is not so straightforward.
I think effectively Josephine Teo did answer Jamus' question, by saying that all she stated was facts, and all these are data that are indeed true. However, I still believe that Jamus has a point to a certain extent, in which using percentage change is not a viable way to prove that the Government is effective in carrying out its policies for Singapore. This, Josephine Teo did not tackle well.
To answer another of Jamus' question (not in the vid), Josephine then went on to talk about MOM's stance on the current slowing down the rate of growth of EP and S pass. To sum it up, should MOM be able to achieve their 4 goals effectively, yet maintain the slowing down the increase in number of these foreign worker passes, then of course they would be more than willing to continue doing so.
However, the reality is that is not the case for Singapore, where we rely to a certain extent on foreign expertise and investments. Continuing to maintain the slow down in increase of these foreign worker passes could result in MOM not being able to maintain its 4 goals for Singaporeans, especially for the future generations. And as such, the Government will need to carefully consider the options before saying they are satisfied.
This is just what I gathered from the transcript in the comment by Sulaiman B S
(thanks man, I was also confused by Josephine Teo at first HAHA) so yeah its my stance what went on that's all.
Josephine Teo unfortunately is not confident in her reply. She is running the MOM and her reply is not up to a gd standard. Allowing foreign companies to set up their businesses here should correspondingly allow majority of singaporeans to work in such companies. A smaller percentage of foreigners may work in these companies too. To say, no foreign companies here in spore, no job for singaporeans is irrational!!!
croc tear and talk rubbish.. she really over pay with underrated performance... hopeless
Jo Teo could have avoided the heat by stating the REAL REASON why MOM cannot impose quota on EP is because of FTAs we signed. But she will throw Heng Swee Kiat and Chan Chun Sing under the bus.
Come on they have warranty just like ma selamat case do not need to died.
We support you WP!!!
I Guess I have more gains reading the stuff that others posted here while she rattled away
To be fair, Jamus asked a relevant question and JT explained the delicate balance between keeping Singapore attractive to foreign investment and ensuring job opportunities for Singaporeans workers. I expect Jamus and JT to debate over how to make the pie bigger and still eat it. Dun stop the debate here.
The real issue is there r companies that take advantage of our friendly foreign-investor policies to bring in their own countrymen and showed scant interest in keeping the Singaporean core in their workforce. Time for MOM to re-examine how to encourage and help Coy to recruit and develop local talents, and be more stringent in ensuring fair work opportunities.
PAP’s approach of Singaporeans working hand in hand with foreigners to form a world class workforce to meet global competition is far-sighted and commendable in bringing in quality investments.
Both of u, please work together to make that vision real!
Agree. We can keep the pie and eat it too - but not at the same time.
Count the numbers or take out a few to stem it, i.e. monitor it.
The effort to come to a shared vision gotta start with a dialogue where assumptions and defensive routines are held up. Ministers are made to behave like 'knowers'.
If you cannot convince people, you confuse them.. Ms Teo's strategy
i don’t know what she was saying the whole time bruhhh
I don’t think she’s confused. She was speaking from an economic perspective, the truth is there’s no clear cut answer to any measure, and if you have a better way to solve this problem maybe you could suggest it. Jamus should try.
I wonder if her own party really understand what she's saying
Resign la
May we have a new MoM minister please and thank you.
I can’t understand what She is rambling on and on about ??🤔🤔
lol what don't you understand tho?
Her husband will lose her job....non Singaporeans.
I thought my English turned worse until reading your comment
So what does the locals gain by increasing the EP & SP workers.. i didnt get her answer...
Honestly, she couldn’t even understand simple demand and supply concepts.
No answer J T?
She did la. We just don't want to understand it thats all