Theory all talk only ,is the heart that matters Enconmics only talk about cycles . High or down. How about create wealth ...he also used our reserves too right so what so good about him...
@@acheeyk I thought that you think that you are clever. Seems that you have an understanding gap. So Economics don't have any connection to Wealth?? If you are Singaporean, don't be so Proud not to READ UP on Singapore's 56 years of Economic Experience. Hopefully if you do so, then your brain can understand the connectionS....
@@acheeyk How would you benefit being a lifeless id hiding behind the internet and not making an effort to do something productive in life. Govt does not owe you a good career if you are an unskilled nutjob!
“Try to avoid that manner of argument, of painting everything in Binary terms” wow, amazing way of putting something in utmost diplomatic way., every close minded human has to take note..
Don't understand how Jamus Lim is being binary, but I am sure the PAP is guilty of seeing things in binary too. Just look at some of their more controversial comments.
Actually Jamus made it clear efficiency and equity is a continuum, so Tharman either is misinterpreting what he said, or ..... strawman argument. Want to talk about "binary terms"? Vote for opposition = free rider, vote for pap = good citizen Now THAT'S binary.
Yes, I was also having similar thoughts and I don't understand why he was not. But after some thought, and some minimal reading I start to understand why and how he is willing to give up the name for the future of SG. There are a few important factors.
CONGRATULATION , SINGAPORE for producing high-quality leaders to talk sense. It is most enlightening and i ntelluctually - stimulating to hear them present their points
He is only interested in GDP..... Steward job is very easy.....just like security guard. Creative wealth is different ,all the wealth is created by our founding leaders. They misused in bad investments ,now blamed us for not coming together to shared the problems. They have high pay job security we normal citizens do not have. Problems shared. Rewards do not shared. Excuse is we are free riders. Good for nothing.....huh So come 2025....
@@acheeyk don't be stupid. how can it be written for him when it is an immediate reply to Jamus. Furthermore, unlike Jamus, SM is not reading off a script.
@@gteo7460 he had time to be ready,why was he not rebutted on the first day..... PM is still PM. LHL he is different . Nutured by his fatherMM . Jamus one against 4 pap....
@@khtay8731 he also work for government. I am..... All you only follower no rational brain. All he do is talk . Spend 30 billion for???? Inflationary measures. The price of food is still so high.????
Tharman may be the PM in the Hearts, but he himself on a personal note, knows that he actually functions better not being PM. Plus, PM carries additional expectations and has a larger (& more complex) scope to take care of. Can be distracting at times.
@@Manijkoi talk is free . He sound good does not indicate he is intelligent. No sense everything in Singapore so expensive now plus all the new taxes . Normal wage earners are suffering now....... We are not pay millions with no job security.
The man who, had he been allowed to be pm, will completely decimate the opposition on his reputation alone, not to mention his know how. pap done goofed.
It feels like Humble speech from great Mr tharman. Seem like he is actually guiding Mr jamus Lim. Very very hard to get this chance to listen wisdom speech from Mr tharman 👍👍👍👍
I propose Mr Tharman to be selected to IMF to dissolve the financial crisis to the world he is a person who can withhold these responsibilities broad open creative and willing to listen person
It is definitely interesting. Tharman has the advantage of experience, having served in cabinet portfolio and various local organisations while having a strong economic/financial grounding. While Jamus has the advantage of theory, having completed his PHD in UCL as well as international exposure in World Bank. Both theory and experience should not be discounted, for theory brings society forward while experience keeps us grounded.
Great discourse and done gentlemanly. Tharman has the experience and advantage of being in government formulating policies and international exposure. Jamus needs to be incorporated in some of the think tank or task force formulating policies, yes he is from the opposition but we need capable opposition for the long term good of Singapore. Jamus provides alternate views and check and balance to the government.
@@acheeyk I wasn't even dining there why should he come up to me (he actually did one time when I was in a long line waiting to dapao food)? Do you expect him to go to every table? Something is definitely wrong with you.
@@lnwon8836 you seem to like everything cats,dogs,birds,...everything that crawl,walk,...some thing is not right. You seem not to hate but alot of anger . No hope for the country if you are citizens.
I believe both are great economist. Just have different views on how things should run. At least intellectual debates are going on in parliament which we should be proud of!!
WP suggested $1300 a month as minimal wage. It is said that this is the amount need to survive in SG. I think they gotten the data from Avg Household Expenditure for Basic Necessities, I'm not sure about this. According to MOM calculations of hourly wage for employee that drawing monthly wage: (Monthly wage x 12) / (52 x 44) $1300 a month = $15600 a year 52 weeks a year, 44 working hours. $15600/52/44 = $6.81 With minimum wage of $1300/mth. Employers need to pay $6.81/hr to part timers. Up to people to think that is $6.81 too much for some jobs. I'm not sure why is it reasonable to have jobs that can't even pay the basic living allowance.
@@96515325 yes . So can you imagine there are still people drawing less than this? Mostly they are in the service line. I'm not sure how much McDonald's paying their part timer. This is also why this minimal wage will not increase our cost of living because there is about 100k of them drawing less than this amount.
@@96515325 definitely there is a lot to consider that we might not know. through their debate mostly I see is that it will lead to unemployment. As for why it will lead to unemployment I have no idea. If it is because business cannot pay their worker living wage, then maybe there should be some subsidies from the government if that company is worth helping. Like the progressive wage model. But if the business not worth helping and can't even pay the basic living expenses of it's workers, I feel maybe the company shouldn't even exist in long run. Of course this will mean unemployment rate will go up. Maybe like what mdm gan says, is better to have a job (that can't really support yourself) than not having one. I guess this is why wp talk about dignified job. I personally feel mw is to protect employee from being exploit by company
Digitales 000 - I am not sure if you’re aware but it is actually common for economists (or academics in other fields) to disagree with one another - they each have made valid points. It does not mean that one is necessarily better than the other as it is arguably subjective. As citizens, it is important for us to approach the debates/topics with an open mind and avoid having preconceptions. Kudos to Jamus Lim for his efforts.
YEAH I believed u are not born to be a leader. As a leader a charismatic speech is needed to inspire others. If to do right thing and provide benefit almost everyone know how to do. Or the speech will be ‘’ FOR EAST COAST ...... FOR EAST COAST N FOR EAST COAST that ur DPM not mine.
I believe majority of the beneficiaries for minimum wage policy are the elderly that are doing non-contract part time jobs. To be frank, companies have no incentive to offer contract positions for elderly because of the potential employee's protection and insurance. Quoting from MOM website "A part-time employee is one who is under a contract of service to work less than 35 hours a week." and "Wages and PWM bonus for part-time workers will be pro-rated." In my limited experience, part-timers usually do not sign contracts for the job (unless its an established company/MNC) and works in an informal arrangement. So I believe this is a possible loophole for companies to take advantage of elderly giving them low wages. This may be why there might be a case to argue for minimum wage. What do you all think?
Hotkicker125 - You’ve made great points. I am grateful to Jamus Lim for bringing this topic into parliament, allowing us to comprehensively scrutinise it as citizens.
Personally I feel that seniors citizens may be over 55-65 yo , some are very fit who, I know exercise daily, yet not given chance to continue being employed. Whether under contract is subject to annual checkup by doctor to ascertain physical fitness , he/she may not necessary work up to 44 hrs per week, can work 5 days week
Minimum wages will just cause artificial inflation on the economy which will be detrimental to Singapore as it is a export import dependent, thus it adjusts its inflation based on other countries inflation rate. Creating minimum wage will just create an unnecessary rise in inflation
Why are people so impressed "wow, this politician speak so well! great!". While I agree DPM Heng may not the most charismatic speaker. I do think deep down, he is one of the most talented policy maker that even LKY put him by his side for a long time.
Aside from being one of the most eloquent English speaking politicians in the world - kid you not, feel free to check videos of UK/US politicians - Tharman is vastly more experienced in social-economic policy making, is highly regarded in the international financial community (at one point he was rumoured to be considered for the IMF chief position), and most importantly, is highly respected at the grassroot level. In which way is Heng, who barely won the East Coast, better qualified? Yet he is the boss now. Why? everyone knows and even you said it - only because Ah Gong wanted it.
But if we have minimum wage, are you prepared for a higher cost of living? Given that Singaporeans have been complaining about the cost of living already.
@@lisabell1997 How about having minimum wage for a certain sector rather than nationally? Identifying where elderly singaporeans are underpaid and establishing minimum wage only to that area (e.g. cleaning industry).
@@lisabell1997 ok i agree lets not have minimum wage but can we at least practise fair wages as ive said earlier some pts get paid very little n with no medical beneits so at least they can raise minum wages for pts a bit at least
Rknin Rknin MOM has already release a progressive wage model for cleaning sector. Basic pay starts from $1236 for Office, Commercial and F&B cleaners. Town councils cleaners are expected to be paid more than $1442. Isn’t this better than the minimum wage where all types of workers are paid the same at the minimum wage?
@@lisabell1997 im talking abt part timers who sometimes get paid very little with little or no benefits n before u tell me why they dont work full time its bec some have exsisting medical conditions sick or disabled family member at home or very young children or maybe they are elderly n cannot tahan long hours bec of their age
Who says Singapore is not ready for a non-Chinese PM? Utter rubbish. SM Tharman has such wisdom and diplomat flair about him. Representing Singapore in the world stage is 🙌🏻
I sincerely hope from PAP , Opposition team work for Singapore 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏not for the parties we vote not to see arguments just for the benefits of yourself but for us Singaporeans in this generations and our next next generations hope pls bring up necessary comments , ideas, feedbacks for the benefits of our nation and suggestions to bring our Singapore to a stable , open , diverse community I hope you all can share ideas openly not just one give ideas, then don’t accept another suggestions, not every one of us like to see fighting and just hear negative comments we want a better future as what covid19 had cause to our life and many leaders had fail to keep their citizens safe and thks for most Singaporeans who at least have some trust to the government, experts to cooperate with them and today we feel at least pressure of this virus as our neighbours are facing now 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏they can overcome all this mess , hope we can share or lend support to them if they ask for guidance 😀😊
Put it simply, minimum wage means saying Bye-Bye to jobs. It's due to the open economy that makes things a lot cheaper hence affordable. 😅 Meanwhile learn from the animals, try hibernation & wait for a solution. The Economy is not as easy as ABC. Just an advice: 要求不高，就比较容易满足。If your expectations are not high, it's easier to be contented. A contented person is a happy person.❤SG
how not to pay them too much. how not to pay them too little. just pay them enough so that they keep on working and working and working. that is compassion.
No hard cash handout, but wayang within isolated mony for public. Exmple: workfare, hdb, midisave and etc. No mater how, pap must win, right. Well said in a way.
Who says just because one is ex PAP candidate, he/ she is inferior choice against a so-called independent candidate. As long as the person is his own man, this criteria is not important. The president is above politics. Remember Ong Teng Cheong? He certainly was an independent ex PAP man. So, there are many other factors to consider the suitability of a person to become the President of SG.
Meanwhile, across the causeway... chaotic parliament is making waves on social media 😅 hopefully some day we can also learn the best things from our neighbour lol
Wouldn't be surprised... He gets nominated for Nobel prize in economics for coming up with ways to improve wages and stuff for workers, locally and internationally. But...then again I wouldn't know better.😁😅
Efficiency and equity on the same level are not easy without good ancient moral education collectively since birth, in which the monopoly of compassion derived from. The loving of every mother in Singapore towards their child is equity but the efficiency varied in diversified degrees. 😅
even the well respected tharman "erm" "er' all the time. who' give the right for education intuition the rights to penalized us for the same on graded presentations.
Lol Jamus Lim able to consider equity and efficacy trade-off, but as an economist, able to conveniently close an eye to the Job Opportunity/ retainment vs. level of wages tradeoff at the same time(only Two-level approach PWM enables gov to set salary not so low that is unfair and not so high till MNC would be turn off which result in lesser job opportunities for everyone.) Cherry-picking at the highest level Jamus
Bruh his minimum wage gonna be cashing more unemployment drawing more disparity between the rich and the poor. Or maybe, more part time workers as compared to them being full time? Lmao. A bunch of smoke. Reminded me of myself smoking during the Q&A during the 5mins after every presentation in Uni.
According to LKY in his book, Mr Tharman only got second upper for economics in LSE. He should feel sad that he did not fit the mold of an ideal PAP candidates -- first class honor, elite universities, success in rigorous professions (medical, corporate, law). We should still respect his work and capabilities tho.
@Atomic Lee There is no such thing called ideal candidate. A leader is someone who pushes forward his ideas, despite his flaws and his party's. He has to appear human to his followers, not distant. Tharman is no doubt a capable leader with a human touch and compassion for the poor.
@@sundaram Hard to compare Tharman with these pappies. Tharman is definitely a different kind of candidate compared to the backbench MPs. He is a natural leader, a cabinet minister with decades of experience, a potential PM and the ideal combination of intellectual-practitioner. Most of the MPs there are just to follow and execute party whip while providing some sound ideas for debate. You can't compare the foot soldiers with the general!
Your schooling is not the same as getting educated with the knowledge one get from schools. He is a PM that Singaporeans could do better with now if he took office 15 years ago. He understands Singapore n Singaporeans. A wasted opportunity. Compassionate is indeed in him but not the rest of the Ruling Party MPs. Most are there to create their own Wealth.
This is a lesson in civility more than anything else. What an example this sets for the society!
So nice to see such high level, classy and intelligent debate. Show case what democracy really should be.
Until Raeesah Khan start to be in parliament
no. Singapore parliament strongly underrepresented the retarded.
Nice gst and petrol hike …feeding minister like tan chuan jin
He don't need any papers to speak. He speak from his mind. That's how a True Prime Minister should be.
tamilmaran7067
So many PAP MP speaks from notes.
@@steventay5834 Let’s not forget that it was the PAP who turned our country into a first world country ❤️
He was giving tutorial to politicians on how SG House should think, argue, position and voice. Love it!!
Theory all talk only ,is the heart that matters
Enconmics only talk about cycles .
High or down.
How about create wealth ...he also used our reserves too right so what so good about him...
@@acheeyk *hardcore anti-pap has entered the chat*
@@acheeyk I thought that you think that you are clever. Seems that you have an understanding gap.
So Economics don't have any connection to Wealth??
If you are Singaporean, don't be so Proud not to READ UP on Singapore's 56 years of Economic Experience.
Hopefully if you do so, then your brain can understand the connectionS....
@@khtay8731 you too sound very arrogant...
Economic is bread n butter issues....
Ecomomic Development board was form for ???? ...wealth...
Tharman is gifted with Intelligence n Knowledge. We are Gifted n Blessed to have him in our Country. Krishna Bless you Tharman.
You speak for yourself only.
You benefitted from his good jobs not us.
@@acheeyk You shall stfu and not commented on your unapplause strawman comment by feeling b*tt hurt.
@@acheeyk How would you benefit being a lifeless id hiding behind the internet and not making an effort to do something productive in life. Govt does not owe you a good career if you are an unskilled nutjob!
@@baga4036 so vulgar.....so uncultured.....
@@MorendraNodi you too hide behind a non living things ...manuscript...manustrip...
I really like to listen to senior minister Tharman speeches filled with wisdom and knowledge!
“Try to avoid that manner of argument, of painting everything in Binary terms” wow, amazing way of putting something in utmost diplomatic way., every close minded human has to take note..
yeah siah, not many people like you can concentrate on so many stuff at one time, must focus on what you want man
Don't understand how Jamus Lim is being binary, but I am sure the PAP is guilty of seeing things in binary too. Just look at some of their more controversial comments.
@Gen Info All I know is that he loves to play with people's fears to justify his tyranny.
Actually Jamus made it clear efficiency and equity is a continuum, so Tharman either is misinterpreting what he said, or ..... strawman argument.
Want to talk about "binary terms"?
Vote for opposition = free rider, vote for pap = good citizen
Now THAT'S binary.
@@CringeBasedDuality pap is an evil, greedy party. That's why you pay them millions.
if there is a choice to pick someone to represent SG after PM Lee, it wud be Mr Tharman
He is from the same gen as PM tho. The cabinet usually picks someone from the next generation (4th gen)
Ong ze kang is good , very stable.
tradie 4theladies we are ready but definitely even more than ready compare to dpm Heng and Chan Chun Seng!
Yes, I was also having similar thoughts and I don't understand why he was not.
But after some thought, and some minimal reading I start to understand why and how he is willing to give up the name for the future of SG.
There are a few important factors.
I agree, passing Tharman over someone else is a mistake.
CONGRATULATION , SINGAPORE for producing high-quality leaders to talk sense. It is most enlightening and
i ntelluctually - stimulating to hear them present their points
DPM Heng has left the chat
He is only interested in GDP.....
Steward job is very easy.....just like security guard.
Creative wealth is different ,all the wealth is created by our founding leaders.
They misused in bad investments ,now blamed us for not coming together to shared the problems.
They have high pay job security we normal citizens do not have.
Problems shared.
Rewards do not shared.
Excuse is we are free riders.
Good for nothing.....huh
So come 2025....
He literally just did
Hi..! Tharman is a Great Leader..! Respected by Citizens across the broad spectrum...!
Tharman 'the man'. Definitely PM calibre, but the decision is made.
What calibre..... monopoly of compassion.
Gov had the least.
If not for cov19 ,we will not see a lot of gov free riders.
@May Flower king cobra.
Well articulated by our Mr Tharman
Singapore is lucky to have such a talent
Ya then make him prime minister, not giving excuses
Two gentleman have spoken both my fav both have valid points
You want minium wage or not .
@@acheeyk yes
Then support jamus Lim....more...
@@acheeyk ok done 👌
Tharman's voice can be those narrator in movie
5 years ago promised good jobs now still no good jobs.
Where the good ,easy jobs go to????
I did not forget.
@@acheeyk lol
@@acheeyk Go to our parents
I can seriously feel the burn...from my screen.
he speaks so well gosh
All written for him....
@@acheeyk written by* him
@@acheeyk don't be stupid. how can it be written for him when it is an immediate reply to Jamus. Furthermore, unlike Jamus, SM is not reading off a script.
@@seeying7146 Sure now then he talk ,first day why so quiet...where is another shining head ....
@@gteo7460 he had time to be ready,why was he not rebutted on the first day.....
PM is still PM. LHL he is different .
Nutured by his fatherMM .
Jamus one against 4 pap....
To me, SM Tharman is a wise and respectable person, just just in SG but also globally!
Huh....cannot even solved our employment issues n all good jobs go to unqualified so call talents...
Undoubtebly SM THARMAN is a great leader..
@@acheeyk OBVIOUSLY you are very smart, so why you don't be an employer??
@@acheeyk Lol so salty sia. Enjoy your broke retirement by complaining to all those uncles at coffee shops xD
@@khtay8731 he also work for government.
I am.....
All you only follower no rational brain.
All he do is talk .
Spend 30 billion for???? Inflationary measures.
The price of food is still so high.????
Its great that we are having this debate in the first place
When he speak he do not look up.
Body language......not truthful....
He should be a lawyer what a waste.
Then he can be PM.
Tharman shld be PM.
@May Flower shit alot ,end result where are local good jobs..????
Should be PM ,...Prata Man
..
@Qtri Nity yes.
Tharman may be the PM in the Hearts, but he himself on a personal note, knows that he actually functions better not being PM. Plus, PM carries additional expectations and has a larger (& more complex) scope to take care of. Can be distracting at times.
@@acheeyk he not from prata land ok,,, he is singapore,
I love hearing Singapore Parliamentarians. Very clear and the debates are very gentle.
Tharman spoke intelligently. He has the credential, charismatic, intellectual of PM.
Too bad Singapore not really for a black PM.
@@acheeyk he is brown
@@Manijkoi talk is free .
He sound good does not indicate he is intelligent.
No sense everything in Singapore so expensive now plus all the new taxes .
Normal wage earners are suffering now.......
We are not pay millions with no job security.
@@acheeyk i simply said he is not black but brown
A concise, objective and respectful exchange. This is the standard I hope Sg Parliament can maintain.
I cling on to every word that SM Tharman says.
Mouth
The man who, had he been allowed to be pm, will completely decimate the opposition on his reputation alone, not to mention his know how. pap done goofed.
It feels like
Humble speech from great Mr tharman.
Seem like he is actually guiding Mr jamus Lim.
Very very hard to get this chance to listen wisdom speech from Mr tharman 👍👍👍👍
honestly a debate between tharman and jamie would be the best
This is the next PM quality. I'm ready.
Joshua Lim - Who are you referring to?
@@yohanyris I think it is pretty clear that it is our dr Tharman
@ SanMash - Well, I don’t like to assume.
@@yohanyris yea then dwindled
He is saying he will be...
Senior Minister using Pilot G2. It really is a workhorse no matter if you're a student or politician
His voice is mesmerising ❤️
I propose Mr Tharman to be selected to IMF to dissolve the financial crisis to the world he is a person who can withhold these responsibilities broad open creative and willing to listen person
Look how DPM Tharman talk compared to Heng Swee Kiat & PM Lee..
Tharman v Jamus is very interesting cause I really like both, tharman Abit more but still really interesting to watch
Tharman has utterly politely destroy jamus in this video
@@alonecozydot195 let see who will laugh last.
Gov or cov19.
It is definitely interesting. Tharman has the advantage of experience, having served in cabinet portfolio and various local organisations while having a strong economic/financial grounding. While Jamus has the advantage of theory, having completed his PHD in UCL as well as international exposure in World Bank. Both theory and experience should not be discounted, for theory brings society forward while experience keeps us grounded.
A Government
Great discourse and done gentlemanly. Tharman has the experience and advantage of being in government formulating policies and international exposure. Jamus needs to be incorporated in some of the think tank or task force formulating policies, yes he is from the opposition but we need capable opposition for the long term good of Singapore. Jamus provides alternate views and check and balance to the government.
SG too small for Tharman if only he could be the leader of the region
In Tharman, we believe.
He should be PM la
Every time I saw him at taman jurong hawker centre greeting the diners there, I felt shy to go up and say hello to him ☺.
He should come to you....you voted him.....something is wrong in you.
@@acheeyk I wasn't even dining there why should he come up to me (he actually did one time when I was in a long line waiting to dapao food)? Do you expect him to go to every table? Something is definitely wrong with you.
@@lnwon8836 just a mp not a super star.....next time go give him a kiss.
@@acheeyk btw since ur such an anti, go kiss Jamus lim s, not that I dislike him.
@@lnwon8836 you seem to like everything cats,dogs,birds,...everything that crawl,walk,...some thing is not right.
You seem not to hate but alot of anger .
No hope for the country if you are citizens.
Let's give deference to Mr Tharman. Better consider what he says.
He is singing not talking.
@Atomic Lee he is dancing to the music like a cobra.
Tharman rocks!
Be the next PM pls.
Tharman the real polished 'economist' here. Great U turn from Jamus 'The economist' Lim too!
Whose is not afraid of promfa...
I believe both are great economist. Just have different views on how things should run. At least intellectual debates are going on in parliament which we should be proud of!!
One in polished lip service n other need more polishing ,hopely end results is not same.
Tharman is the king
@@alonecozydot195 king cobra...
Protect him at all cost
Jarodyjw - May I know who are you referring to?
Mr Tharman is a very respected man, well said to Mr Singh who talk big and no action.
What separates entitlement from privilege is gratitude
Mr Tharman is definitely PM material.
Uuuuh love love my hero
Well done Mr Tharman
WP suggested $1300 a month as minimal wage. It is said that this is the amount need to survive in SG. I think they gotten the data from Avg Household Expenditure for Basic Necessities, I'm not sure about this.
According to MOM calculations of hourly wage for employee that drawing monthly wage:
(Monthly wage x 12) / (52 x 44)
$1300 a month = $15600 a year
52 weeks a year, 44 working hours.
$15600/52/44 = $6.81
With minimum wage of $1300/mth. Employers need to pay $6.81/hr to part timers. Up to people to think that is $6.81 too much for some jobs. I'm not sure why is it reasonable to have jobs that can't even pay the basic living allowance.
Isn't $6.81 below market rate for most part time jobs?
@@96515325 yes . So can you imagine there are still people drawing less than this? Mostly they are in the service line. I'm not sure how much McDonald's paying their part timer.
This is also why this minimal wage will not increase our cost of living because there is about 100k of them drawing less than this amount.
@@yxk99 That is a fair point. Though I imagine there are more considerations to this issue than it seems.
@@96515325 definitely there is a lot to consider that we might not know. through their debate mostly I see is that it will lead to unemployment. As for why it will lead to unemployment I have no idea.
If it is because business cannot pay their worker living wage, then maybe there should be some subsidies from the government if that company is worth helping. Like the progressive wage model.
But if the business not worth helping and can't even pay the basic living expenses of it's workers, I feel maybe the company shouldn't even exist in long run. Of course this will mean unemployment rate will go up. Maybe like what mdm gan says, is better to have a job (that can't really support yourself) than not having one. I guess this is why wp talk about dignified job.
I personally feel mw is to protect employee from being exploit by company
Bearly survived
I've been watching MS videos for a long time. Today, I finally subscribed because of the title
Only another economist can see through the smoke that Janus has laid
Digitales 000 - I am not sure if you’re aware but it is actually common for economists (or academics in other fields) to disagree with one another - they each have made valid points. It does not mean that one is necessarily better than the other as it is arguably subjective. As citizens, it is important for us to approach the debates/topics with an open mind and avoid having preconceptions. Kudos to Jamus Lim for his efforts.
Atomic Lee - Sure, thankfully you’re saving the world and not an Economist then.
Sm tharman has come to the rescue of PAP 4g lol
Can deputy prime minister talk like both of this gentleman ??. The answer is NO 😂😂😂
Can! next life....
DPM Heng don't need to talk like them. Just need to know what is right to do and deliver for the benefit of the general Singaporean.
YEAH you need the iron and the calibre to be the DPM or PM not like Heng or Chan Chun Sing lousy quality. Very soft
YEAH I believed u are not born to be a leader.
As a leader a charismatic speech is needed to inspire others.
If to do right thing and provide benefit almost everyone know how to do.
Or the speech will be ‘’ FOR EAST COAST ...... FOR EAST COAST N FOR EAST COAST that ur DPM not mine.
He has a plan ok.
Comes and talks to any Malaysian MP, you will find alot of joke of century, especially Kuti Baling kedah haha
Yessssss
Yesssss
Your IQ will drop upon hearing their speeches in the Dewan
I believe majority of the beneficiaries for minimum wage policy are the elderly that are doing non-contract part time jobs. To be frank, companies have no incentive to offer contract positions for elderly because of the potential employee's protection and insurance.
Quoting from MOM website "A part-time employee is one who is under a contract of service to work less than 35 hours a week." and "Wages and PWM bonus for part-time workers will be pro-rated."
In my limited experience, part-timers usually do not sign contracts for the job (unless its an established company/MNC) and works in an informal arrangement. So I believe this is a possible loophole for companies to take advantage of elderly giving them low wages.
This may be why there might be a case to argue for minimum wage. What do you all think?
Hotkicker125 - You’ve made great points. I am grateful to Jamus Lim for bringing this topic into parliament, allowing us to comprehensively scrutinise it as citizens.
Personally I feel that seniors citizens may be over 55-65 yo , some are very fit who, I know exercise daily, yet not given chance to continue being employed. Whether under contract is subject to annual checkup by doctor to ascertain physical fitness , he/she may not necessary work up to 44 hrs per week, can work 5 days week
Minimum wages will just cause artificial inflation on the economy which will be detrimental to Singapore as it is a export import dependent, thus it adjusts its inflation based on other countries inflation rate. Creating minimum wage will just create an unnecessary rise in inflation
@@liujiazheng2362 Right, so Are your earning $1300? if you are earning more pls pass the rest to us. Thanks Ho!
@@harisomakantan6168 earning 800... So nope
Why are people so impressed "wow, this politician speak so well! great!". While I agree DPM Heng may not the most charismatic speaker. I do think deep down, he is one of the most talented policy maker that even LKY put him by his side for a long time.
Aside from being one of the most eloquent English speaking politicians in the world - kid you not, feel free to check videos of UK/US politicians - Tharman is vastly more experienced in social-economic policy making, is highly regarded in the international financial community (at one point he was rumoured to be considered for the IMF chief position), and most importantly, is highly respected at the grassroot level. In which way is Heng, who barely won the East Coast, better qualified?
Yet he is the boss now. Why? everyone knows and even you said it - only because Ah Gong wanted it.
He has 5 years to live up to his talents!!???
Already screwed up ceca.....
Lose lose situation.
@Gen Info it is already invaded by Chinese. What talking you?
But some employers realy pay very little esp to elderly who do jobs like dishwasher eg like 5 dolar n hour in todays inflation is unacceptable
But if we have minimum wage, are you prepared for a higher cost of living? Given that Singaporeans have been complaining about the cost of living already.
@@lisabell1997 How about having minimum wage for a certain sector rather than nationally? Identifying where elderly singaporeans are underpaid and establishing minimum wage only to that area (e.g. cleaning industry).
@@lisabell1997 ok i agree lets not have minimum wage but can we at least practise fair wages as ive said earlier some pts get paid very little n with no medical beneits so at least they can raise minum wages for pts a bit at least
Rknin Rknin MOM has already release a progressive wage model for cleaning sector. Basic pay starts from $1236 for Office, Commercial and F&B cleaners. Town councils cleaners are expected to be paid more than $1442. Isn’t this better than the minimum wage where all types of workers are paid the same at the minimum wage?
@@lisabell1997 im talking abt part timers who sometimes get paid very little with little or no benefits n before u tell me why they dont work full time its bec some have exsisting medical conditions sick or disabled family member at home or very young children or maybe they are elderly n cannot tahan long hours bec of their age
He needs to do asmr
Who says Singapore is not ready for a non-Chinese PM? Utter rubbish. SM Tharman has such wisdom and diplomat flair about him. Representing Singapore in the world stage is 🙌🏻
You are quoting something PM Lee said decades ago in 1991.
And then using that in current context.
Are u OK? 😂
Sm, well said .
I still wish he can be my PM.
Tharman is the minister i respect.
He’s the very very best of the lot.
Mr Tharman for PM.
it will be a joke that such talent will become a puppet president
I sincerely hope from PAP , Opposition team work for Singapore 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏not for the parties we vote not to see arguments just for the benefits of yourself but for us Singaporeans in this generations and our next next generations hope pls bring up necessary comments , ideas, feedbacks for the benefits of our nation and suggestions to bring our Singapore to a stable , open , diverse community I hope you all can share ideas openly not just one give ideas, then don’t accept another suggestions, not every one of us like to see fighting and just hear negative comments we want a better future as what covid19 had cause to our life and many leaders had fail to keep their citizens safe and thks for most Singaporeans who at least have some trust to the government, experts to cooperate with them and today we feel at least pressure of this virus as our neighbours are facing now 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏they can overcome all this mess , hope we can share or lend support to them if they ask for guidance 😀😊
"monopoly over compassion". Someone has been listening to Jamus... hehe
Jamus is a threat .....to shiny head...
Put it simply, minimum wage means saying Bye-Bye to jobs. It's due to the open economy that makes things a lot cheaper hence affordable. 😅
Meanwhile learn from the animals, try hibernation & wait for a solution. The Economy is not as easy as ABC.
Just an advice: 要求不高，就比较容易满足。If your expectations are not high, it's easier to be contented. A contented person is a happy person.❤SG
Minimal wages make more alien so happy whole country want to come here 👽💰👏👍
I respect exchanges of intelligences, regardless of party; I thank you all, for sharing your thoughts...
Good speech
how not to pay them too much. how not to pay them too little. just pay them enough so that they keep on working and working and working. that is compassion.
Tharam should be the Prime Minister.
No matter what ,we must help the common man in singapore living in hdb 5 rms to 3 rms to rental flats.
2021
No hard cash handout, but wayang within isolated mony for public. Exmple: workfare, hdb, midisave and etc. No mater how, pap must win, right. Well said in a way.
Wah Tharman 👍
that shine tho
LOL, got distracted by it. Wonder what moisturiser or serum he use. SKII? 晶莹剔透。
yo dude, Tharman is great, but i just wanna say his head is so🌟 shiny 🌟
Tharman is such a hottie...
You pervert...,
Who says just because one is ex PAP candidate, he/ she is inferior choice against a so-called independent candidate. As long as the person is his own man, this criteria is not important. The president is above politics. Remember Ong Teng Cheong? He certainly was an independent ex PAP man. So, there are many other factors to consider the suitability of a person to become the President of SG.
his head is brighter than my future
I think all the talk up to this point was nonsense. These 2 people talk enough liao.
Meanwhile, across the causeway... chaotic parliament is making waves on social media 😅 hopefully some day we can also learn the best things from our neighbour lol
Why future PM nv debate?
To win votes, have to appease citizens. To be ahead of the world, have to have unfavorable policies. Choose.
Prescribing a binary-dichotomy may not be as wise.
When he talks...I will listen
good boy👍🏼
@@SakuraxIMO thank you...I will wag my tail as well
Miss SM Tharman
Wouldn't be surprised... He gets nominated for Nobel prize in economics for coming up with ways to improve wages and stuff for workers, locally and internationally. But...then again I wouldn't know better.😁😅
Efficiency and equity on the same level are not easy without good ancient moral education collectively since birth, in which the monopoly of compassion derived from. The loving of every mother in Singapore towards their child is equity but the efficiency varied in diversified degrees. 😅
Uses a Pilot G-2 pen. 'nuff said.
Jamus will do better when speaking if he smiles less and not dance at all. Cheers
Tharman put the hse in order and basically telling opposition stop bickering
Tharman swee...
Jamus look like a teacher than a politician.
Politicans sell policy only.
Teachers advised on what policy to have.
even the well respected tharman "erm" "er' all the time. who' give the right for education intuition the rights to penalized us for the same on graded presentations.
A few is alright. One every other word is not.
Lol Jamus Lim able to consider equity and efficacy trade-off, but as an economist, able to conveniently close an eye to the Job Opportunity/ retainment vs. level of wages tradeoff at the same time(only Two-level approach PWM enables gov to set salary not so low that is unfair and not so high till MNC would be turn off which result in lesser job opportunities for everyone.) Cherry-picking at the highest level Jamus
No one should have a monopoly on power xD
Is he using Pilot Pen G2 0.7mm or 0.5mm?
Bruh his minimum wage gonna be cashing more unemployment drawing more disparity between the rich and the poor. Or maybe, more part time workers as compared to them being full time? Lmao. A bunch of smoke. Reminded me of myself smoking during the Q&A during the 5mins after every presentation in Uni.
when ur a level 1 but u enter a ranked server
😊
Tharman 4 PM.
According to LKY in his book, Mr Tharman only got second upper for economics in LSE. He should feel sad that he did not fit the mold of an ideal PAP candidates -- first class honor, elite universities, success in rigorous professions (medical, corporate, law).
We should still respect his work and capabilities tho.
Those "ideal" pappies are of no match to Tharman.
@Atomic Lee There is no such thing called ideal candidate. A leader is someone who pushes forward his ideas, despite his flaws and his party's. He has to appear human to his followers, not distant. Tharman is no doubt a capable leader with a human touch and compassion for the poor.
@@sundaram Hard to compare Tharman with these pappies. Tharman is definitely a different kind of candidate compared to the backbench MPs. He is a natural leader, a cabinet minister with decades of experience, a potential PM and the ideal combination of intellectual-practitioner. Most of the MPs there are just to follow and execute party whip while providing some sound ideas for debate. You can't compare the foot soldiers with the general!
@Atomic Lee excellent
Your schooling is not the same as getting educated with the knowledge one get from schools.
He is a PM that Singaporeans could do better with now if he took office 15 years ago.
He understands Singapore n Singaporeans.
A wasted opportunity.
Compassionate is indeed in him but not the rest of the Ruling Party MPs.
Most are there to create their own Wealth.
Shiny head.
Shining bright from within 😊
@@indrakrishnan5644 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍
Mr. President never lost his glow. 😂