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"It popped & snapped my neck" BMayzee talks about the potential dangers of wearing a neck brace
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มี.ค. 2021
- After an extremely promising amateur career in Motocross, Brandon Mays suffered a broken neck that ended everything. Luckily he was able to rehabilitate himself and return to a normal life, but looking back he thinks his neck brace did more to hurt him than protect him.
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Dude seems like a doctor I’ll take his advice
Landon Currier's career ending injury had nothing to do with his spine. He bailed off his bike and landed feet first, which shattered both his ankles and achilles. Landon had a neck brace, but it had nothing to do with that.
What year was Brandon's crash? Neck braces in general have changed a lot since Leatts first started showing up in 2007 or whatever it was. I just replaced my OG Leatt and its crazy how much lower the new braces sit. Guess they found having them sit up so high wasn't necessary. Maybe Brandon's crash would've had a better outcome today with a modern Atlas. Hopefully it would.
Some riders swear by neck braces, and some guys will never touch em again. You could ask Logan Karnow about why you couldn't pay him to ride without one again. Personally, I wear my neck brace for a similar reason that you wear knee braces: If I have to choose between breaking a C vertebrae or a T vertebrae, I'd take one of the T's every time. Thing is, the only thing all of us riders have is anecdotal evidence.
I know you guys didnt bring this up in the video but this gets talked about in the comments every time, is that neck braces limit your ability to move on the bike. Considering the fact that Villopoto smoked the best SX riders in the world for four years straight wearing the Alpinestars and Atlas braces, I'd say you can ride a bike with a neck brace on just fine.
Think he crashed around 07-08, when they first came out.
What Brandon describes is that a brace forms a fulcrum point with the helmet. This is inherent to all neck braces. Leatt admits this being a problem, so they designed their own helmet that let’s your neck go further backwards.
@@nestserau yeah, I get the fulcrum thing. My point when I said that modern braces sit lower is that this would allow for more movement before the helmet started leveraging against the brace if the same crash happened today (hopefully resulting in less inury), than with the original tall Leatts back 13-14 years ago now.
Google great lakes ems neck brace data, plenty of data showing neck braces prevent serious injury, and yes the early models were extremely flawed, the sixsixone guardian brace was ahead of its time
@@nestserau What helmet is that?
I've walked away from a couple nasty end over end crashes wearing my Leatt braces. One with an AC separation. One with a pretty serious concussion and severe damage to the brace. Both with serious damage to the helmets. Pretty convinced the braces helped. Several other less sever crashes that I think it helped as well. I'm 6'-2" with a long neck, thick chest, and broad shoulders. I don't notice any normal motion limitations when I'm wearing it. Maybe that's the key.
I think the reason we don't see a lot of pros wearing them are for the same reasons we don't see them wearing a more substantial chest protector. At their level anything that restricts any kind of motion or blocks airflow to the body is a hindrance. Also, they are going so fast that the impacts they experience are above what conventional level protection can help with anyway. This very fact could put them in the 1% category of cases that would be worse.
I don’t wear neck brace or chest protector anymore, and I’ve had both leatt and atlas both annoyed me. I can see how it gives people confidence but did the opposite for me personally
I'm sure in some scenarios it can help, but in others it may do the opposite... I don't wanna roll that dice. I quit wearing a brace after 4 broken collarbones due to a brace
Flexibility decreases risk of injury. A brace creates stiffness and restricts movement. Seems counterproductive unless you can gaurentee the direction of deflection and create something that ultimately protects from that specific impact direction.
Scientific studies need to be done to say one way or another. The argument can go either way, youll fine tons of people with stories about how their braves saved their life. It's all just anecdotal evidence at this point for both sides.
There is.. posted a link but those comments get deleted. "Action sports EMS" has stats, search for it, case-study-neck-brace.
You can crash in a million ways.. so nothing protects 100% of the time.
@@JH-hd6jf That is not a study, just a collection of raw data that has been put together by people with no idea of scientific methodology.
@@Sciencerocksmyworld That might be but its still more than "I, sample of 1, dont trust neck braces".
@@JH-hd6jf that's not a peer reviewed study though. That's just a record of how many patients that seemed ems support were wearing a neck brace. Doesn't account for the number of crashes that take place that aren't major enough to be reported to ems. The vast majority of crashes are low speed low impacts and neck braces could potentially be preventing thousands of injuries, but because these minor tip overs are never reported to ems, there is zero data that takes them into account.
Having a database of 10,000 moto injuries is awesome and a lot can be learned from it, but that is not a definitive study concluding that neck braces should or should not be worn for the average rider.
@@Sciencerocksmyworld exactly, a pool of 10,000 injuries is awesome and it isn't useless, but people often confuse that collection of data with a real study.
gut instinct/feeling, and my engineering perspective definitely have always told me that neck braces can put undue stress on a system that is naturally designed to flex fairly drastically
My neck brace prevented me from breaking my neck so I think it’s luck of the draw personally 🤷🏻♂️
Wear one, don’t wear one…….you crash bad enough, you’re gonna get injured, killed regardless of what you’re wearing. Seen boys crash bad in T-shirt/ shorts, trainers with no helmet and walk away completely unscathed and have seen boys decked out top to bottom in all the latest greatest gear and braces etc getting pulled off the track only to die later from complications. If it’s your time it’s your time.
I ask myself every ride if the Leatt is a good call or not...I hear your points loud and clear, but at the same time I've walked away from 3 of my BIGGEST wipe outs (60ft triple) and was convinced it was my leatt that saved me... but I guess the problem here is confirmation bias. Anyone know why Chad Reed stopped wearing one?
Andrew McFarlane
Chad stopped because he knew someone who had an injury and thought the brace was to blame. I think that's right 🤣
I’ve landed on my face whipping 75ft triple (no brace or chest protector) and I’m still alive haha...
I’ve also broken collarbone wearing leatt, tried atlas but both restricted too much motion / vision in my opinion
It is possible to exceed the capabilities of the neck brace and break your neck. Similar to getting a concussion while wearing a helmet. It does not mean wearing a helmet is unsafe. It just means you exceeded its protection capabilities.
It's about energy.... has to dissipate somewhere
Good point... guess companies were hoping/engineering that most of that energy would dissipate into the brace itself? A neck brace is different. It’s not like boots it’s not a necessity to wear one.. so is the purpose of a neck brace that great? Lmk what you think
@@Dwitter271 yeah for sure, like he said the neck brace companies came in with the best intentions, unfortunately with a sport like this if somethings gonna go bad then you're just along for the ride lol
Well the goal of a neck brace is to dissipate the energy down into the shoulder/collarbone area. These neck braces were designed to mimic the HANS device (which is known in auto racing to break collarbones) but if breaking my collarbone saves my neck I’m all for it. It’s just dirtbike crashes are WAY less predictable about where the energy is gonna come from. I can personally attest to a neck brace saving me from breaking my neck in a nasty wreck. Did I break my collarbone... yep.... was it worth breaking that over my neck or back... yep... it’s all about how you see them which is why the AMA hasn’t mandated them like other forms of racing have.
Jeremy Deel ahh I see. Thanks Jeremy. I guess when it’s put that way. I wonder how some of these crashes with the neck brace that have resulted in broken back etc. would be like without the neck brace.
@@Dwitter271 it would definitely be interesting to see a computer simulations of the same wreck on a bike with and without a neck brace. I personally know someone who had their back broke because of using one of the old leatt neck brace with the single spine which I think is where A LOT of the hate for neck braces come from. The new leatt and atlas designs are much better at placing the strain on the shoulders and not down the spine.
Hey,
Disclaimer - I listen to this neck brace discussion alot - and I ride some with and some without. and as an engineer I understand how they are build and designed, and what people do not understand is that they are not made to safe you from everything because as with anything else in life it is not black and white. You give some and you loose some.
But to sit and and accept stuff like "seems like alot of people are breaking their neck since the brace" and in episode 200 state that you are a data nerd - when this has nothing to do with data it is all feelings, exposure and belief... To consider this as facts without considering how much faster bikes are going since 2005, to not consider how easy accesable information over the internet has become is very misleading. and this is why you can not view this as black and white... I do not care if you wear a brace or not - but do not misinform people...
I remember an article by a doctor who said that no study had been done to show that there were injuries occurring that a neck brace would prevent. He also highlighted one injury they would cause or exacerbate - coming down straight on to the top of your head. The brace prevents the head rolling out the way, and an impact to the top of the head with a straight neck can be really bad - something to do with squashing the spine into the brain stem.
I wore a neck brace when I crashed and landed directly on top of my head. I've had neck problems ever since and I thought the neck brace would have helped, but based on what you heard from that doctor and my condition it seams it would have been best to not have worn it. I wrecked that way when I was younger and was not wearing a brace and was fine. Just my 2cents.
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
@@therawlifefamily Good find. 👍 The article I read was years before this came out.
Knee braces are also hard to justify as I blew out my Femur into 4 bits and broke my pelvis as knee brace passes the load to the Femur. The collar bone is the same with neck brace as Iv'e done mine 3 times.
Dude with that sort of energy your knee would have been fucked up so damned if you do damned if you don't. Same with your collar bone
He'll yeah man, just like wearing knee braces will break your femur.
Rather a broken femur than a fucked up knee
@@kingcrumpet most painful bone to break vs a knee that you can walk on a week after surgery. Plus the femoral artery will bleed you out before you make it off the track if the break ruptures it
It kind of makes sense when you think about it, if you tense up before a car crash your likely to break bones, however if you’re relaxed it is less likely to break bone. I had a motorcycle crash last year and the main reason didn’t break bones is I didn’t panic I slowed myself down the best I could and I didn’t tense up before impact
You didn't break bones by tensing up but you did tear every ligament and tendon on any hyperextended limb.
In this scenario I'll take the broken bones, thanks.
Let's look on the surface of how a neckbrace is designed to prevent a broken neck: 1. Contact with the helmet to the brace which transfers the load to the shoulders instead of the neck in case of a pogostick like what Herlings did last year. This is designed to prevent some kind of compression fracture. 2. Prevent head from bending too far forward or too far backwards in case of scorpion. 3. prevent head from bending too far to the side, similar to case #1 but instead of pogostick, you land with your body turned and hit diagonally with your shoulder first. All of these *should* be able to be simulated with computer similations to evaluate the various force tranfers.
The thing I hear most about neckbraces by people like Ryan hughes is that they limit mobility so much that they result in the accident to begin with, not that they necessarily don't add a small layer of protection, but that they increase the likelihood of accident occurring.
The real question is how often does a crash in motocross or off road riding cause a neck injury?
Holy fuck, I just started riding and I thought the neck brace was a life saver
This is nuts !
I completely feel it
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
@@therawlifefamily look up why people find this study to not be scientific
The thing is is that these professionals honestly don’t get paid to wear these neck braces and that’s why they don’t wear them. It also restricts movement and that’s something many pros cannot get around .
Jason Anderson, Justin Barcia, and Chase Sexton all stopped wearing them this year...oddly enough
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
It's why I always wore one of the soft donuts that floats freely on your collar bone. It provides support and keeps your neck from going too far but doesn't provide a hard pivot point just like he's saying. It saved my neck when I OJ'ed a supercross triple and supermanned from the next double all the way into the bowl turn. I left a 6" deep hole in the berm from my head and would have probably broken my neck if it wasn't for that neck roll. I wear that every time but won't wear the newer style neck braces.
After breaking my c 4 in half and learning to walk again then back in the saddle again I purchased a leatt and haven t looked back since. Cause I can't anyway. Motohead for life
Ryan hughes watching this yelling at his screen lol you should interview him sometime
He's on in a couple weeks. keen as!
@@GYPSYTALES hell yeah! Can you please start posting full podcasts on TH-cam please bro! I like watching people talk for some reason lol
I just watched a thing about knee braces and if the brace is not bolted to your boot and the stops are not set you are basically not wearing one.
2 torn Acl’s and three knee surgery’s later. I wear mobius have not have a problem since. Buy the right ones don’t cheap out on gear.
That's just not true. I ruptured an acl and tore all the cruciate ligaments in my right knee, it's extremely weak and dislocates just stepping off a curb. I use cti knee braces, and those braces have stopped any further injuries to either knees. They prevent your knee from twisting, snapping sideways and over extending. They also offer extra support. The only downside is a broken femur or tib fib, which is a alot easier to heal from than having numerous knee surgery,even though it may be more painful.
I started wearing braces in 2001 after my acl injury,because being a 16 year old kid at the time who had to refer to his knees as 'the good one' or 'the bad one' is just wrong at that age.
Get a decent brace, it doesn't need to be bolted to your boot to prevent serious knee damage. I'm 35 now, and my knee constantly aches and feels weak as hell,i wish I'd got knee braces sooner than I did.
Tbh as I get older I think about the risk to reward more and more, when you’re young literally feel invincible I never thought about something serious like a broken neck either. Reality is the guys you idolize who absolutely rip on a dirtbike only do it because they are paid very well it is their JOB. why do you think they all quit mid 30s and never go back, because it’s to brutal.
I was at the track in 2011 when my friend broke his back and it was caused by the tip of the back arm of the neck brace... he is now paralyzed from the middle of his back down to this day
I just had a pretty good get off over the bars and broke my shoulder( coracoid process). The first thing I noticed during the crash was how my neck brace was stabilizing my helmet from over rotating left to right. But I also wonder if the neck brace broke the bone during impact.
The first time I saw a neck brace I just thought that is a tension focus point, why should that help anything. What we'd need is like actual medieval plate armour, where the motion limitation happens distributed of your neck. Those braces are weird.
My Leatt without a doubt saved my neck. It broke my scapula and collarbone but that is what the braces are designed to do!
@@Griffin283 Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at. They specifically say that they saw a substantial reduction in collarbone breakage and neck injury when wearing one.
@@therawlifefamily that’s an interesting comment considering they’re literally designed to spread the impact into your torso... which leads to other broken bones, which I’ll take any day of the week over a broken neck
these people should be more careful giving their opinion through a speaker on the internet. Based on these opinions, people can make decisions that they will then have to spend the rest of their lives with. If you have to choose between personal opinions or studies based on numbers, I will always choose the numbers, and these say that you have to wear a neck brace.
What studies support them? I just know every time I’ve seen someone break their neck they were wearing one. I even saw someone die and they were wearing one and snapped their neck. Plus one broke my collarbone one time. They distracted me mentally reminding me of those incidents. I ditched them years ago and haven’t looked back.
Bottom line. Moto is dangerous. The new ama rule against amateurs using gopros is stupid too
Especially in enduro where ill probably land on a rock anyway. Gopro rule sucks
Also when neck braces came out was just before Cary hart attempted the backflip. Now everyone is trying a backflip. I wonder why there is so many neck injuries now... come on man. Don’t screw up little kids heads with your opinions . They look up to you guys.
Wearing a Alpinestar neck brace landed head first broke my collar bone, 5 vertebrae 3 in my back two in my neck. I was lucky I lost feeling in my feat but I got my feeling back after a 12 hr surgery. Would never wear one again if I start racing again
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
I don’t think there’s any correlation between the number of people injured and the appearance of neck braces.
The injury’s you suffer are a result of circumstance and luck. My leatt neck brace saved my life and prevented any serious injury after a massive crash so I’d say they’re the best invention ever.
limits movement and vision. look down go down, I couldn’t stand wearing them personally but I can see how some people like them i guess.
I both do and don't want a neck brace
I totally get how dangerous they can be but I had one save my life when I first started racing. I’ve also known a couple locals die from
breaking their necks while not wearing them. 🤷🏻 there’s an argument for both sides. Just enjoy your time on the bike and be careful
Bro... femur are no joke. I shattered mine (right at the top of my knee braces) and it was terrible and took a year to feel normal still feel it some days
Yah you ain’t kidding, this dude is acting like it’s no big deal like it’s just a tibia fracture or some shit lmao fuckin biggest bone in your body. I’ll never fuck with knee braces/neck braces
See this is where its tricky, i dont disagree with him here, but i was wearing a cheap evs plastic one in a crash and was told it saved me from breaking my neck, it was a sideways impact as well
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
Anyone seen the video of Jason Anderson being landed on after he finishes a races? He says his brace saved him from further injury. Anything can happen when we ride. Safety gear is just a way to possibly lessen bodily harm. Just my opinion.
And now he doesn’t wear one anymore
@@shanemoto97 yeah he does man, just Google 2020 supercross pics. He wears an Alpinestars brace. To each there own. I wear leatt, it feels like nothings on.
@@illwil1005 it’s 2021
@@skagbonez when your bike starts to endo from 20ft in the air, hope you grow wings.
Ryno actually talks about braces in moto all the time and there's some scary side effects. Plus they restrict natural movement.
He's great for riding technique information but severely lacking on his gear knowledge. Look at any pro rider with a brace and you'll see their heads aren't limited in motion range.
@@RJBiteanerdyou also don’t see them winning
Action Sports did have a lot of data to work with. Over a nearly 10-year time span, they had more than 8,000 assessable patients (enough data to ask questions about them). Of those injured patients, 3,803 wore a brace and 4,726 did not; close to an even split. Injuries, however, were not close to an even split.
Injury to the cervical spine and the underlying spinal cord is the injury complex against which a neck brace is designed to protect. If the device is effective, wearers should have fewer - but not zero - injuries. That is exactly what they found: 239 cervical spine injuries in those not wearing a brace and only 26 in those who did wear a brace.
Listen to what Rino says about it. He makes good sense.
Im currently recovering from a broken t1 that I kinda blame my leatt for, but at the same time I think it might have saved me. 🤷♂️
I’ve recovered from my neck injury in July 2020 now but still deal with some soreness at times... didnt wear a neckbrace because of this debate and fractured C6-T1 and obliterated my femur but I wonder the same thing like had I worn a neckbrace maybe things would’ve been different
Never worn a neck brace I did wear a body protector to protect my transplanted kidney. The doctor did tell me that it saved me having a punctured lung which I am great full for
Same argument can go towards seat belts. Look how Jessy Nelson got paralyzed..no brace could have protected against that. There’s way too many variables. Ultimately it’s all about risk mitigation. We do what we can to prevent the worst possible circumstance. RV2 wore a neck brace for the majority of his career.
We need sceince and a study into this, seems like its just one oppinion to the next. I always have and currently do wear one. I had a huge off in 2009 and the leatt neck brace saved my back and neck 100%, My legs came over my head and i scorpioned into a tree stump, injures where lacerated liver and cracked a few of the tab like bone part that sticks out the vertebrae, this bit I only found out a few weeks after when I still had pain in the area. The energy from the impact went to that spot in my back but i felt it would have been even worse without the neck brace giving me that extra support and strength to that area without it potential damaging higher up the vertebrae especially as I was head first with legs over my head
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
@@therawlifefamily The problem with that study is they can only account for the people that had to seek medical attention, and they do not have any of the crash info. They have plenty of numbers of injuries, but no context as to how the crash happened, this is info needed to truly understand whether the neck brace or lack there of, was a factor or not.
I crashed in July 2020 fractured C6-T1 in my neck with no neckbrace and broke my femur into 4 pieces and can’t help but wonder if I should go with a neckbrace or not cause of this debate... could things have ended up differently had I been wearing one? The world may never know but I’m excited to get back to riding
Could the argument be made that in the pre neck brace days bikes weren't as fast and suspension wasn't as good? This led to people taking less risk? But now people strap on a leat and send it!
This is very interesting to hear. I have worn one for the last 5 years vigilantly, i ride in glamis, no track, and i ate shit jumping the top of oldsmobile hill, face first into the sand, crushed my helmet and the front of the helmet, and i was sore af, but my neck was ok, and i have always given credit to the neckbrace for not breaking my neck that day, but i could be wrong, but I think it saved me then
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
@@therawlifefamily wow excellent report. So ems says yes on wearing neck braces👍 I will continue to wear one
@@therawlifefamily www.cyclenews.com/2018/12/article/neck-brace-effectiveness-study/
This the article i found i assume you referring to👍👍👍🙏
A neck brace without the armor that goes with it doesn't make sense to me. So all or none. I ride with all.
I think they need to improve the design- disperse the forces more evenly and limited to a point (less pressure then would hurt your neck.) Does a HANS device work better? It's a different system all together though because it works with the seat, helmet and device- all as one unit.
After snapping my leg in half at the shin, I'm taking no chances. Getting an Atlas neck brace that doesn't have the issues spoken about...
I have crashed many times and every time if it’s to strong for my neck brace and doesn’t keep pushing it just breaks anywhere my collarbone neck etc
As someone who doesn’t ride motorcross but plays football, the ACL/Tib and Fib thing is kind of interesting. You can just get surgery on your ACL and be fine, I would assume that’s actually an easier route to go. But maybe that’s just because ACL injuries in my sport are different? Super interesting to me
Man I want nothing to do with a knee reco - a broken femur isn't exactly fun but I feel like the complications that can follow a knee injury are permanent.
Yep I Broke my femur on one crash from the knee braces And then right when I healed my tib and Fib and I never put them on again
heard the same from a few, what Ryno says about it makes sense too
Really , I’m thinking of ditching mine for knee pads
From my understanding with knee braces you would want the bone to break because it can heal. The knee brace is supposed to help prevent tearing an ACL which you may never come back completely from.
@@illwil1005 I tore my acl, ruptured meniscus and broke my tibular plataue after landing flat from 25ft. The fracture healed, experimental surgery sutured the meniscus and I got a cadavor acl. That was in 2007 and my knee is doing just fine.
I smacked a stump with just my shin doing 35mph, the brace saved me from blowing up my knee again I bet i and just gave my shin a gnarly bruise that would have been there anyways both ways. I would rather break a bone than blow my knee up again. Thats partly due to how my healthcare system is setup though I guess.
Wonder what Canard would say about his? Or Morias.
>i broke my collar bone 4 times wearing those.
Well thats the point. My understanding (i could be wrong) is that the neck brace is designed to break your collar bone INSTEAD of your neck.
Yeah these were just standard crashes where my neck was in zero danger.
@@GYPSYTALES Got ya. Thanks for clarifying.
@@GYPSYTALES Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at. Their data showed a substantial reduction in collarbone breakage by wearing one. Their conclusion was that it was a myth that they are designed to or lead to more collarbone breakage.
Does this guy have stats on that? Jeeez
No they're both more or less talking out of their asses
Ryan Hughes explains why neck braces are not great
He also broke his neck unfortunately
I compressed my t 6 t7 prity good no disks between them now and it broke on the uther side of my neck base definitely feel it didn't help
And then there the fact that maby without it woodent go over bars in 1st place ryno torked on that
Aren't ya t6 t7 vertebrae a bit low for the neck brace to have an effect on
Ok.
Iv raced for over 30 years. And have broken a lot of shit. And have fallen on my head a lot!
Like been in ICU for 2 days sort of stuff.
And have never worn a brace either.
9 months ago I had what seemed like a nothing crash.
Over the bars on my head. After laying on the track for 45 mins waiting for the chopper to pull me out. I completely destroyed C 6-7 and t1 and did my shoulder. Bone fragments in my spinal canal the whole deal.
Surgery that went through the front and back of my neck that took over 6 hrs.
That resulted in pins and a cage.
3 months off. And I was back on the bike.
I now wear a brace. Simply because my neck won’t physically move side to side or front to back that far.
Or do I want it to.
Would of the out come been different of had one on?🤷🏼
I’d much rather blow out collar bones if I had the choice.
Like your interview with gally said.
No matter how expensive the gear is you have on.
Its going to happen. Some people are just lucky enough not to.
Exactly dude. Hold it south 👍
@@kingcrumpet
Which way is south when your doing cartwheels ?😂
Just hold that 450 on the pin and keep pulling gears.
Sit that bitch right In the middle.
And just YYYEEAATTT everything.
sure is an interesting subject, I suppose the leatt etc r&d tests were done carefully and with good intentions but seemingly not applicable
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
First time I seen a neck brace, Jimmy Weinert was wearing one, late 70's, also had a sand paddle tire on.
fastest kid on 2 wheels for real
It's not the equivalent to a Hans device a Hans device allows your head and neck to move just not passed an angle which could lead to a fracture or breakage The tethers on a Hans device are custom to the sport and driver I'm certain something will come to two-wheeled motorsport eventually
Shit man iv been pondering wether to get a neck brace for a while now. I’m not exactly the smallest of guys and thought it would be worth getting.. everywhere I look it seems to cause more damage than it stops.
I don’t like them, it makes it hard to look up. Look down go down.
More people are saved wearing them.
not all the braces are designed with the same theory. as a tall guy (6'4)id wear one but the shorter you are the more problematic they become and 98% of the time I think they help but I think they make the other 2% much worse. ex chase Sexton's crash was super close to being catastrophic and the brace would of been the contributing factor but luckily he hit the ground before he rotated anymore
It's not as simple as neck braces plus increased neck injuries means neck braces cause neck injuries. You have to look at all the cases and determine if they were wearing a neck brace and if the neck brace contributed to the accident. A deeper analysis of all the falls that don't have a neck injury and what the rider was wearing would give a true picture of their effectiveness but that's nearly impossible to conduct. AFAIK the only study on this using actual injury cases showed the braces reduced the likelihood of neck injuries. His accident is terrible but hardly the norm for injuries with neck braces. No safety device is without risk like you mention leg braces but even a helmet can break bones to save your brain. Everything is a trade off.
Snapped my my collar bone wearing one and never looked back. Guys that are scared to death of getting hurt think that the only reason they haven’t broken their neck is because they wear a brace and they will argue with a brick wall about how good they work and why you should wear one lol. If you are that clown you need to get out of first gear or just sell your bike and take your “i have to work on Monday that’s why I wear it” bullshit with you. Pretty much all of us have to be at work on Monday and some of us know better than to wear “protective gear” that restricts movement on the bike so we don’t get hurt because of not being able to move a certain way because of a brace.
The end 😂
That’s good stuff 😉
Do y’all know What kind of neck brace he was wearing
Id imagine leatt or Alpinestars sense they are the two big companies that make the neck braces with the one part straight down the spine. I use an atlas neck brace and the back 2 support parts are on the back of my shoulders/rib cage and made so none if that force is sent to your spine
Alright so ive been running the leatt chest/neck and ive definitely tested it out quite a few times and had big endo. I pretty much always wore it but now i don’t think i will be, because of where the back part of the brace rests on your spine i have issues now. So a repetitive force to the area would be bad. Now say i wasn’t wearing it could have been much worse. So one way or another depends on the crash i suppose
And regarding knee braces i just got a pair, had always ran pads. So ive Snaped my femer and messed up a knee. The femer hurt a lot more but healed better
What if you didn’t have the neck brace on... you might not be walking if it was stoping that much force from moving .... something will eventually give
Bro this guy looks like spencer Pratt from the hills
Studies have been done and they work. Why are you even discussing it? The risk of breaking your neck will always be there even while wearing a brace. It's funny how people blame a neckbrace for breaking their necks and people who break their necks without wearing a brace are too ashamed to admit or talk about the possibility of the brace saving them from a broken neck. You should be very thankful for still being able to move your arms my friend. Maybe, just maybe, it was the brace that saved you from being a quadriplegic. People who wear helmets still get concussed, people with chest protectors still break ribs, but their injuries are reduced.
I don’t know man. After watching this and Ryno talk about it. I find it kind of challenging to agree with. I think that ,yes, there is a lot of reasons for the faster riders of the sport not to wear them, but I also want to make the argument that at the local track for wearing them, based off everyone’s skill level it’s almost always better to have one (at least accessible).
i dont wear neck brace or chest protector anymore and im still kickin’ it haha
And your a pro rider? Or just a local track goer I think I'll take my chances listening to the pros
Stewart had a bad one they used to highlight the reason too use them.
neck braces didnt exist when i got my cr80 back in 1988. i ate shit so many times and smacked my melon on the ground and i turned out just fine.
I honestly wonder if modern neckbraces are too "thought through" because when neck braces first started there was a few companies making cheap simple ones, and they seemed to actually do the job, wheras the extremely fancy ones seem to cause issues
I never worn a neck brace & I never broke my neck.
....... Yet
Hanz devices are a nascar thing.
I broke my tib fib cause of a knee brace. I think it would been worse had I not been wearing them
Yup tore my meniscus without them and would have easily prevented it
Ya you don’t want to blow out your knee I did but really bad I had my hole knee reconstructed
Does anyone know of a neck brace that allows me to have a lil more movement
I’ve tried leatt and atlas, restricts so much movement. I personally don’t even wear chest protector though I just got so annoyed with them while trying to race I could barely look up.
Why can’t I watch the last video?
Sound was messed up, will re-post soon
Snapped both my collar bones wearing one. Soon scrapped it and was racing faster without one due to the restrictions on movement.
Highly doubt you’re going any faster because you stopped wearing a neck brace. Lol
@@Huckabuck2 well you are when your racing high intensity in a European national on a rough track and its bouncing around up and down on your shoulders distracting you. Lol 👍
every crash and rider is different but isn't snapping both collar bones better than the energy fro the impact going to your neck, especially in a head first crash. MX isnt horse riding like but of lot of them get paralyzed from being kicked off the back or going over the front landing head first, surely a brace would help ?
@@E63s_Scott I get it, with me it was two separate occasions and both silly tip overs in a corner in the sand. Its a tough one to decide but try riding without one again and you won't look back
I broke my tib and fib without knee braces. I think knee braces or not, a bad leg injury and you'll be out for a year
Can confirm - did a trimalleolar leg/ankle fracture using Fox Titan Pro pads.
Replaced them with Asterix Carbon Cell's.
thats insane i would rather deal with a blown acl any day over a snapped femur lol
Okay a femur is one thing, but once you blow a tendon in your knee, it's pretty much never gonna be the same and you'll deal with that injury for life. At least with a clean fracture, most of the time it's gonna heal perfectly and you won't have any lingering effects.
It's fucked when you have to deal with neck, back or knee issues, I'd much rather take a clean bone break. However, when you completely shatter a bone into 30 pieces that's also not going to ever feel the same when you heal up
Let the body do what it’s designed to do.
Bodies are not designed to dissipate energy in a motorsport accident in any way, so that's not really a valid argument.
@@kingcrumpet Not sure you listened to the podcast. If the body is not designed "in any way" to dissipate energy of a motocross crash, then how is James Stewart still alive? Many of his crashes looked hurrendeous, but he rarely ever broke anything.
You can still do ACL's with knee braces on
Where did the j law video go man
Need to fix the audio
Need to scrub trade secrets
Ha nah man I’ll put it back up when I’m in the studio
All these big players arnt wearing them so it's hard to know. There's more people ridding so there's gonna be more crashes, and who knows if they where wearing them
I have always felt this way about next braces..
Isolation of movement is never a good thing, Also makes u more acceptable to being Knocked out I believe.
Broke my neck in September wearing an Atlas neck brace 😐
Hope you're all good!
@@GYPSYTALES been making a steady recovery. Had to have a fusion on my C6 and C7 but overall doing much better.
Do you think it would have been worse without you’re neckbrace on?
@@nater9er hard to say. But from now on I’ll take my chances without it
@@nater9er Data indicates that severe spine injuries are much more likely without neck brace
I don't know who this guest is...
Brandon continually citing James and Ricky is so irrelevant lol. Brandon also makes a lot of claims in regards to more injuries related to the braces but does not cite any specific study or data set. Brandon, go back to wearing your tin foil hat bro
I fractured C7 wearing an atlas neck brace over a small jump. Thank god I made a full recovery, but I'am skeptical about them (now).
Look up "Great Lakes EMS Neck Brace Study". They studied them for 10 years in response to accidents on the track - they have actual data they looked at.
That “study” is an insult to science.
Neck braces IS ALL THE PLACEBO EFFECT.
Probably why he broke his neck.
He was wearing one when he did
Jimmy botton bro!! He got messed up landing on his head
heavy shit
agreed
2:20 Landon shattered his ankles, and I promise wearing a neck brace had no hand in his injury. Not sure if this was a lapse in memory or if Brandon just didn't know what happened.
EDIT: He could also be referring to another injury I am unaware of.
If you don’t know you won’t know. Obviously Brandon isn’t going to just say that come on man.