"I was the first rider in Supercross to wear a Leatt" - Mike Sleeter talks about Ryno's prediction
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- Mike Sleeter weighs in on the neck brace debate after Ryan Hughes seemingly predicted the future. Marvin Musquin recently ditched his neck brace and has since won a heat race and now a main event (his first in 2 years) at Salt Lake City 1.
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I genuinely enjoy listening to Sleeter talk.
Same dude
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Thanks so much mate appreciate the comment
Ok so no knee or neck braces . No condoms with hookers in Vegas either, protection ruins performance!
Dude, might sounds silly but the condom thing is a good point in regards to knee braces... If we would rather have sex with no condom because you can feel more... Then how would we argue that removing knee braces would allow you to feel more. Thin sheet of rubber vs. bulky carbon fiber brace.
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@@GYPSYTALES lmao,...but true
@@addisonburn8508 lol
Gajser is still wearing it and he’s world champ. Any words on this? I think his technique is also very good even with the brace.
This almost exclusively refers to US SX technique not so much outdoor or European tracks. When comes over and starts racing SX full time we can see if it makes a difference.
@@Two-StrokeLife is sx and mx technique that different that a small thing like a neck brace can make such difference? Ive never ridden sx so i dont know anything about the sx technique.
@@svenhojs8757 big difference. In SX you're trying to look UP at all times. As you hit sharp faced kickers, you're trying to spot your take off 15-20 feet above your head. And when you land on the backsides on 30 degree slopes, you're body is pointing downhill and you need to have your head up to spot the turn or next steep hit. You're in 2nd gear on the front of the bike, not like in outdoors. Outdoors you have to look up too, but the time frames you have to do it are shorter. SX is more dramatic
Gajser crashes. A lot.
@@jolding Not because of a neck brace... If worn properly, big emphasis on that, they do not restrict.
I’ve never worn one, and I’ve never won a race, so that tells you nothing.
😂 tells me you’re funny. 👍🏽🏍💨🙂
Any of us mortals
Doesn’t that just mean you are trash lmao
@@Cjass814 I wouldn’t say “trash.”
Hmm 🤔
Dude I took my girl to the redbud nationals in 2018. She was unfamiliar with the sport in general and that was my way to show her what I did growing up and my passion. Her first question when we got into infield was to ask me “How come so many people are in wheelchairs here?” Only two words came out of my mouth,
“They Raced”.
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It's true.I'm too old but I still watch races live and I'm always sitting talking to guys on crutches and casts next to me.I got out pretty easy with a few broken bones but we all know somebody who got really hurt bad or died.
@@AAAskeet Facts!...I stopped racing in 2001, & during the 5-6 yrs that I spent racing local amateurs in district 34, we had a couple guys get paralyzed, & 1 death. Ill never forget it. Clay Cecternino. Great kid. But when it's all said & done, we share a deep passion for riding & choose to be apart of a sport that comes along with a huge amount of risk.
@@HermCore. And to be honest with you, if I could of chose a way to go, that would of been it. I couldn’t imagine dying in a happier place, or time. That would be it. What really makes it sad is watching my friends who didn’t get out of the sport upright. It would be one thing to be paralyzed at 30. It’s another to be paralyzed at 15-17. Their lives hadn’t even started yet. Their odds of success and a long life have been cut dramatically, as has their probability of finding a lifelong partner
I think it's nice, that people in wheelchairs can go to a race. Over here in Switzerland, you never see them at the races. Maybe it's because the terrain is too challenging to move around, which is a shame.
Kidney belt the most underrated motocross safety equipment. Gang.
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Reed wore the Leatt first then switched to the alpinestars one BUT ditched it straight after his great friend Andrew McFarland god rest his soul passed away from an accident while wearing a neck brace
I've got one of Andrews tearoffs signed by him. He tore it off at a Brisbane SX right in front of me. After the moto (which he won) we went to the pits and he signed it. He had just come back from the GP's in Europe 2nd on a KX
@@scottyd2262 that is cool story, a great experience I’m sure you’ll not forget in a hurry.
I think people need to understand who they are talking about. They are talking about the best dudes to swing a leg over a bike. Realistically, riding with or without one at an amateur level isn't going to affect your form. Considering very few people actually ride with proper form anyway.
I'd consider riding without one but it feels like riding without a seat belt. Is the consensus that they help but restrict movement? If its not improving safety ill ditch mine
@@stangbanger6445 I really like the design atlas has. Been riding with their stuff for a couple years and you barely notice it. I also wear it on top of a chest protector so it doesn't even sit on my shoulders. I've never felt like its hindered my movement. For me I would rather take a crash with gear on then have the thought of "I would have been fine if I had my gear on"
After approaching all 3 of the "big" companies, I was quite surprised how little research/test information I could get out of them.
I could listen to Jase and Sleeter all fuckin day. GYPSY GANG
David Bailey called everyone out to wear it for safety because he didn't want anyone else to go through what he was going through..
Ryan Hughes called everyone out cause he thinks they'll go faster..
I get that a neck brace can be limiting for a professional SX rider but I still think they should be encouraged for the average Joe.
Speaking as an average Joe that broke his neck in 2003..
Also I didn't see the massive difference in Marvin's style that you guys seemed to see
Or if you done broke your neck. Keep from missing it again. Why I have one.
Because there was no change in his style, it was pure coincidence that people are claiming as proof. It was one race… how well has he done since.
Ryno is one in a long line of people who are good at something (riding in this case) and has strong opinions about things (rarely with any actual evidence to back those opinions up) and guys think he’s right about everything all of a sudden. He also says you shouldn’t wear knee braces too, yet most pro’s do… so does that prove him wrong? 🤷🏼♂️😂
You’re right, there’s nothing wrong with wearing a neck brace.
@@Mockle07 you guys are entirely missing the point! Probably because you bit the lure and bought an expensive one and after that your ego and placebo effect kicks in and you just block out sensible arguments. Let me summarize the main points:
- Neck braces are not scientifically proven to help anything at all. They even mentioned this in the podcast when they said that the guy with AlpineStars have to look in the data to see whether there's any difference between riders that don't wear them and the ones that do.
- Neck braces are limiting hence they make you a less safe rider as your body isn't moving that well on the bike.
- Neck braces could even make you feel overconfident (for the protection they supposedly offer) and thus, make you push more than you actually can.
@@C_R_O_M________ You guys make a LOT of baseless assumptions which are often impossible to quantify.
I have never owned a neck brace. I’m not trying to defend anything.
Like a lot of safety kit, it’s incredibly difficult to pinpoint what works and when/how, especially with the unpredictable nature of off road racing conditions. There is data to say neck braces can help in certain crashes but it’s by no means conclusive.
No-one is hitting a triple that they usually don’t just because they decided to put a neck brace on ffs 🤦🏼♂️😂 That’s absolutely absurd.
I am not necessarily advocating neck braces, but I’m definitely not saying they are dangerous either. My point was that Ryno talks absolute nonsense with no actual proof and people are like “Yo this guy’s a genius”. Marv won plenty of races with the neck brace on… taking it off was not the reason he won again.
@@Mockle07 The difference is that Ryno (thinks he) knows and you are full of doubt. When you ride at the limit, as he did, he can make a judgement that's much more valuable than the average rider out there.
Moreover, certain individuals are not bound by contracts, politics what have you and have no major (material) incentives to be biased which is not necessarily true for the vast majority of professional riders. The former can say whatever they want, the latter no.
In conclusion: both you and me don't know much but I argue that Ryno makes a good point.
My brother actually got paralyzed without the brace on and he had one sitting in the shop ready for pick up and we didn’t have enough time to get it before we left for the race not saying that if he had the brace on he would have got paralyzed I just believe if it’s your time it’s your time. I wore one for years after he got paralyzed but I haven’t wore one in a year or so and he got paralyzed back in 2009. I agree. There is a lot more mobility without one one.
The neck brace never made sense to me I don’t see how it could keep you from breaking your neck it’s no different than a toilet seat it doesn’t hold your neck still or any thing.
@@zacharyradford5552 honestly the only reason I wore it for that many years, was because it scared the crap out of me. Around that time that’s when the moto industry was pushing the neck brace super hard. I never really felt too comfy with it racing but In my head I was convinced if I had it on I was safe. I guess kinda the placebo effect in a way. I haven’t wore one in years and I am A lot more Mobil and comfy without it.
Love this podcast. And love listening to Sleeter. Next to Ryno, by far the most honest guy on air.
To me neck brace is like a knee brace if it is setup correctly it should allow full motion in the range your body is supposed to move, then provide support before it moves in a way your body isn't supposed to move and then dissipate that force in a way it doesn't cause injury or reduces injury aka trading a broken collar bone for a broken neck. I feel my knee braces do that but haven't found a helmet & neck brace combo that gives me that yet.
Yep. Sounds about right to me. 🙂
let me know if you found a helmet thats good enough
I can only speak from my own experience. Two weeks after my 40th birthday I had a massive crash off a big jump - hit the ground face first, then got folded and crunched by my 450. Broke all the ribs down my spine on the right side and broke two of those ribs in the front too - collapsed both lungs and has some other minor stuff like a broken thumb etc...
Around my neck was bruised and the back deck plate on my Leatte got pushed down 5mm or so on one side from the impact of my head getting pushed backwards and to the side.
I can’t say for sure that I’d have broken my neck without my neck brace on but given that I had 9 rib breaks and bruising all around where my neck brace dissipated the energy of the impact, I can’t imagine I’d be in good shape without it.
I know it’s a personal choice but I would no sooner ride without a helmet than ride without my neck brace.
I know people who have broken there necks while wearing a Leatte. One she lucky wasn’t paralyzed the guy he’s was paralyzed had to life flighted out. It’s not like in car racing where you KNOW the HANS is gonna 100% save you.
The argument is that if you weren't wearing that brace your riding would be better and there's a chance you wouldn't have crashed at all.
Mike Sleeter is the realest of real on @gypsy
On this same topic I caught barcia talking about not wearing knee braces anymore cause of motion restrictions.
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One guarantee riding dirt bikes. Eventually you will get hurt. Guaranteed.
I believe it’s personal preference for sure...but to say it completely hinders you just isn’t so. Too many races have been won wearing them for them to be that big of a factor of hinderance. Stew Baylor,who races GNCC and national enduros, has been racking up wins and podiums while wearing one in a discipline of racing that has far more body and head movement than MX/SX
If you listened to the podcast you must have missed the part when they said that when races were won with a brace on, all riders wore them. Moreover, if a level 10 rider wears a brace and a level 1 rider doesn't I wouldn't expect the level 1 rider winning any races any time soon, brace or no brace.
there seems to be 3 different issues that always get conflated in discussions about neck braces that maybe should be separated for greater clarity. 1) how much a neck brace will help in the event of which types of crashes 2) if a neck brace will restrict a rider in some scenario to the effect of putting the rider in greater risk of injury and 3) if a neck brace will restrict a rider in some scenario to the effect of the rider not being able to go as fast. these are different questions which need to be answered separately, and in the absence of answers, be weighed differently for consideration; e.g. just because it may slow you down does not mean it does not make you a safer rider.
Commented like a scientist and I agree. But slow(er) riding doesn't necessarily mean safer riding either. If you gave a clueless 15 year old a dirt bike and rode it slow he would definitely be less safe than say Jett Laurence going like a rocket.
I've seen some images of this brand new Atlas brace that looks super minimalistic, I've seen Phil Nicoletti in it recently, and I think a few guys in Canada like Spenser Wilton have been riding in it lately too. It looks like it might be the neck brace that makes it worth revisiting the idea of wearing them again, because it just looks like it couldn't possibly hinder any sort of desireable range of motion. I'm interested to see them explain it and justify it when it drops. As long as it can still do the job from a safety perspective it might be the way. The original Leatt brace came out what, 13 years ago? Things change a lot in 13 years.
Exactly what I was thinking. Makes me reconsider it for sure. Hopefully some more news will be coming out soon. Tanner Ward is wearing one as well.
MM won 36 professional SX and MX races wearing a neck brace. He wins one without. So how did he win 36 wearing one if neck braces are so f’d????
Everyones technique got better
@G T go watch a race from a few years ago when MM was winning. Hardly anyone wore neck braces then too.
@@Huckabuck2 that proves nothing.
@@C_R_O_M________ you’re a little late to the conversation pal…
Honestly love my Leatt gear, picked up some 5.5 boots and a chest protector and have been loving it. No need for a neck brace on the single track but if I were racing I'd have one for sure
Why would you wear one if you have no knowledge whether it's helping or not? In fact, you DO know that a neck brace limits your mobility and that is a hindering part for your riding overall which makes you less safe. They will have to show with actual science that neck braces do anything at all on the plus side and so far they haven't.
I would love to see you on Theo Vons podcast. You two would be hilarious
I'd love to be a guest... He's a total g
@@GYPSYTALES the Rat King! Heck yeah! Gang gang. Great job in these interviews. 🙂
My issue with this whole conversation is that people want to be like the pros, I get it makes a mobility difference at the highest level. But I also whole heartedly believe they do reduce the likelihood of a neck injury, and for all the average joes here listening it ain’t gonna make any difference but all this talk from people they look up to is going encourage them to not wear them...
I agree, I’ve worn one since 2006 and it only felt uncomfortable for the first few hours. I can’t recall how many times I came off the track and realized I had forgot to put it on and didn’t even notice. So personally I’d rather be just a bit slower with it on, then again..I could be faster with it on because it makes me more comfortable. Same goes for knee braces. Put it on , adapt and overcome.
My older brother broke his neck on a step up and lost his life in a race doing what he loved back in Hollister 08. I still ride with out a neck brace! I have worked in professional drag racing my whole life. I’m all for safety but a little danger keeps it fun.
Sorry man. I feel you though.
Damn. I remember hearing about someone dying in Hollister back in the day but didn't think they'd have family commenting on TH-cam vids. I remember the year after my dad did his last Pismo race there was news of a 17 year old kid dying after eating shit during the race and being crushed. This was 06 I believe.
I wore a neckbrace for added protection if I got landed on, especially after watching Canard and Anderson survive their brutal crashes. I admit it restricts movement. Maybe I would be a better rider without it and other pads and knee braces. But I was afraid to get hurt and wanted to ride as much as possible. Now I'm old with injuries and need all of it to prevent injury as best as I can.
neck braces break your shoulder blades
Such an interesting topic! Love your podcasts. So good 🙌
I say yes for super fast guys when your are fighting 10s of a second yes q neckbrace could make the difference but I say for your average joy they can get a 10th other ways but still use a brace for safety. I wear one because I have taken several crashes and swear the braces or why I'm still riding. Does it get in the way yes. I'm not a pro though I got other things in my form to worry about that will give me more results then the neckbrace
I bought one two years ago. Rode with it till i had a simple tip over in low 3rd gear around a corner. The way it restricts your movement made me unprepared for the wierd way it made my neck whip i got a sore neck for 2 weeks. I never got that injury without in 20 years of racing/riding. Now maybe it was a fluke but i swear it was a nothing crash but it made me tense wierd and caused me severe pain and odd neck strain. Might save you from a major injury but made a small crash horrendous so i tossed it and never looked back.
Yeah Tim Gajser is a pretty slow rider, obviously affected by neckbrace. And what about Anderson winning SX Championship 2018? That was a true feat! He did it even wearing neckbrace!
We have a tool which can avoid us to spend the rest of our lifes on a wheelchair and you have to hear the big voices of the sport telling you not to wear it. The improvements on motorsports safety nowadays are better each day, and make the sports safer than ever before, you see the MotoGP guys wearing airbag in their gears, car racers wearing 6 seatbelts and the HANS, and you look at the motocross guys and they race now less protected than ever before, wearing basically a jersey and a helmet, definitely we are stupid 🤣🤣
@Zach Tomac, Musquin, Roczen...the fuck are you talking about?
@Zach you think tons of people were wearing them? Go watch a race from 2018 and give me the list of guys wearing a neck brace.
I felt like a neck brace was a wedge between your sholder and head/helmet and when you crash and attempt to 'roll out of it' you couldn't tuck your head and the impact would create a lever action between the sholder and helmet where it felt like your head was going to be ripped off like someone had a crowbar under your helmet.
Back when I was racing as a kid, an older guy I trained with was internally decapitated because of his neck brace. It pushes upwards on your helmet and the force of the chin strap did it. The day I learned that was the day I stopped wearing one
@@natem.1611 holy shit thats gnarly.
Took mine off. Best thing I did. And I'm not good at all. But I'll never get better if cant have the proper technique and absolutely the neck brace inhibits me personally from doing (trying) the right thing
I’m genuinely suprised a company like helite hasn’t thought about an airbag for motocross.
Is everyone forgetting that Ryan Villopoto wore a neck brace?
Edit : you mentioned it at the end haha
Nope, they spoke about this in the ending. At the time almost everyone was wearing it
@@Damiano072 peep edit haha
Gajser still wears the neck brace.
@@jaredromero9549 ahahahahaha
Love these !! I'm learning so much . David Bailey is a legend . Totally understand everybody's viewpoint . ☮️
Ryno makes a prediction.... prediction comes true..... I dunno why ANYONE is surprised.
There is a Cycle News article from a few years ago that has a 10 year study on neck injuries with and without neck braces. I’ve tried to post the link but it gets removed. Definitely worth looking up.
That study was done in my area! I was considering dropping the neck brace then I saw that!
There are so many confounding variables in those studies you wouldn't imagine. For one, you can't control any of the "what would have been" question for people that wore one and crashed vs whether they would crash at all if they weren't wearing one. Scientific analysis isn't that definite or easy.
not wearing it anymore coz it actually is uncomfortable to me and i couldnt do fundamentals right it should be... im a beginner but i believe in learning the fundamentals will help so much if we can have all the motions that we are capable of doing while riding the bike.
If you are not in a main event or making money riding a bike, you definitely should wear it.
Should wear one anyway. Spinal cord injury doesn't care who you are
Your totally missing the argument. The idea is that wearing the neck brace puts you in an incorrect position which makes you way more likely to crash.
@@baylonjones3771 ok take it from me. A broken collarbone is a lot cheaper then being paralyzed for life. If you think you are going to crash because you are wearing one then you need to learn how to block that negativity out.
@@BlueNoseParaCanoe block the negativity out!!??? Lol whuutttt are you talking about 😂. Bro you neck braces literally put you in a more vulnerable position. You have to suck your hips towards the bars so you can look up and you have your back in the correct position, has nothing to do with negativity
@@baylonjones3771 if you focus on what's going to go wrong it will happen. That's why I say block the negative thoughts out. I'm a wheelchair user. As a I said broken collarbone is a lot cheaper then having to use a wheelchair for the rest of your life
It’s an interesting talking point and one I think should be more openly discussed. There’s no right or wrong answer. Marvin has won plenty of times wearing a brace. Something clicked with Marv mentally last weekend. Any of these guys can win or lose with a neck brace on.
Anderson, Barcia, Sexton, and now Musquin have taken off the neck brace...
Couldnt beat villopoto could they...
@@harrynoakes No one rode like RV has either...steering the bike with the rear wheel. You can tell he had a different riding style compared to his 250 days and he was built different to. RV without might not have done so good who knows
Anderson won a title with one, has not won a race since...
I wore one a couple times during a summer when i was racing and i went over the bars and landed on my head at a race, crazy thing is i only wore it a few times but i think my crash would of been worse if i didnt wear it..I got lucky
I think ALL Neck braces are badly made to be by sizes (M, S, XL).They should be made to measure for each pilot, for each child. We all have different anatomies, longer necks, wider shoulders.
, bigger backs. All this influences. For those who say that Gajser has no problems, the guy is tall, his neck is 25 ¨. For people who are small, the helmets are more robust and the leatt limits their vision , mobility and that causes distraction, and a possible fall in the track. Anyway it should be tailor-made
It's a lever to help pop your head off if you understand physics you know they are dangerous. The human body is meant to flex.
Didn’t Ryno say he needed to change his style since he hadn’t in the last 6 years? I am not saying Ryno is wrong, BUT Marvin has won several times in the last six years all while wearing a neck brace. His style looked the same to me the other night, minus the brace of course.
On another note, having Sleeter on is always good. Dude has a ton of good information and insight
I believe the point he was trying to make was that everyones technique evolved while his hadn’t. So his technique was sufficient for the time. Not 100% sure thats just what i took from it.
@@TR-zn4pw But he still advocates looking at Everts who retired in 2006. So is everyone that far behind in his mind or was Everts that far ahead of his time?
I think they all have evolved to adapt to the crazy fast bikes they have now. I don’t think it has anything to do with a neck brace or no neck brace. It’s mental for these guys. They are all great and top 1% in the world. They just need to mentally feel something is better. I do agree with Ryno that if you are freer you can ride looser, but it comes with consequences at times. Ultimately I am most comfortable in my shorts, shirt and flip flops. Is that the best way to ride?
@@brandondougherty7213 right. I believe if you are more comfortable you are less likely to make a mistake.
@@TR-zn4pw I agree to an extent. But ultimately doesn’t matter how comfortable you are. At some point when you are racing you are Gonna stack it up. Hell Ryno did and broke his femur recently.
25 years ago I spent 9 weeks glued to a bed in traction surrounded by paralysed patients after breaking 3 vertebrae ,, I never ride now with out neck protection. If my form is hindered by a second a lap through neck brace hinderance I’m happy loosing that second.
Right on Mike , sorry to hear about your brother. Fuck cancer ✊🏻 keep up the good work from down under my guy
Neck braces are not custom sized. Necks are different lengths & shoulders different heights & heads are different shapes AND everyone wears different shaped helmets so the contact points are never the same. They are a ballpark try at best. The fact that no one offers an individually custom sized & formed brace like with knee braces that has to be paired specifically to a SPECIFIC helmet shape to ensure the correct contact points just shows how much of a grenade answer it is.
Not one person who has had ACL surgery would wear a generic knee brace. They're useless. No matter how "adaptable and adjustable" the knee brace, nothing will perform specific to the joint without a trained medical professional custom measuring, fitting and securing it.
So how can we pretend neck braces are anything else but a guess.
Genius thoughts
Bring back the kidney belt 😆😆
I own the leatte 5.5 chest full protection and leatte 5.5 neck brace combo. I wont ride without it.
Wearing a neck brace has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to win a race.
But it can give a confidence boost knowing you are more protected if crash, therefore more willing to ride full throttle and really send it
You clearly didn't listen to Ryan
Villopoto was the only top guy wearing it it, what are you guys talking about? Go back and check 2014 for example. Only top guy with one.
They forgot to mention Doug Henry.
Plenty of mxgp still wear it too
We need a new pod with sleeter
OK, so are there studies showing if the neck braces helped? I don't care about speed. If everyone has to have 1 for safety it levels the playing field. Just look at helmets in football and hockey. It makes the sport better.
Guys ... I race, my son is racing. I run motoshop and sell braces in Estonia. In my opinion there is only one neck brace that you can wear in top level. It is Ortema. It is super light, safe and it will not affect your speed if adjusted correct. Full gas, stay safe!
Its the new helmets. If you look at the ones many top guys are wearing like the new bell 10 they buldge out on the bottom for their collar bone protection. Marv wears the airoh and their new one does the same thing. The leatt and a-star helmets
Which both companies make neck braces look different. Especially the alpine stars they actually go up in the area that would contact the neckbrace. That doesn’t cover everybody but it does cover a lot of guys that used to wear a neck braces and don’t now.
You need to get Johnny hopper on the postcast!
not sure why, but I guess why not. I can't see their styles meshing.
Thanks for bringing real material to the sport and real shit . Your a great leader to the sport #pulpintheassmx #neverwasjustthemade lmao those guys are just gossiping seagulls that’s all they have is the negative drama to talk about #gypsygang let’s go!!!
100% agree don’t like to put these thoughts out to the universe cold shivers down my spine
Man I was watching the sx with Marv in second thinking he’s gonna fade away then I noticed he wasn’t wearing a neck brace. I’m thinking, has he ditched that after what Ryno said? As the race goes on, exactly what Sleeter said his whole riding style looks different! Ryno also said he rides with his elbows down which I agree with but on the weekend he had good position on the bike with some good dominating presence too. Rated that he didn’t hand the win to Webb also.
Yeah and the guy who was getting interviewed just took up an interest in motorbikes last week and knows fuck all about motocross/supercross strength and conditioning “Lol” dickhead.
Villo did not win his 4 championships in a row during the era of everyone wearing neck braces. Only guys I can think of who could contend for podiums that were wearing neck braces were Windham but I think he retired when Villo won his 2nd title and Barcia. Could be forgetting some but they're the only ones I can think of.
Musquin has won 6 450SX races....with a neck brace. Anderson won a championship with a neck brace....has not won a race since. You are putting so much emphasis on one anecdotal race. Ryno is a loudmouth kook, listen to him, he never actually makes a point, just talks in circles.
Next is a 350f class. Get rid of LCQ's and use that time for a 350 class. 250f, 350f, 450f.
the concept of how neck braces work very as does each person's physiology
I wear a neckbrace and I see like nobody wearing it anymore I don’t feel it limits me but maybe I should think about it when I ride now
Would I tell anyone to become a pro motocross rider(Bailey,,Henry anybody hear of Pat Jacobs) it's dangerous.But I could not deny them.They are warriors.God bless motocross.Go Marvin.
My dad made me wear a kidney belt when I started over shooting landings on my 85. Prolly saved my lower back slightly
ryan villopoto wore a neck brace consistently tho too. forgot about that..but he did great with it.
I remember wearing cowboy collars in football, and felt they were pretty similar to a leatt style brace; Restrictive and directs the injury to less “load bearing” bones. I get it, but I feel like they potentially set you up for a bigger injury with a relatively small hit.
Dude Ryno is a sage. He’s decades ahead of anyone else in the moto industry
Fingers crossed about his 350 category prediction.
@@nicholaszamelis9471 totally agree. The 450 bikes have outgrown the stadiums they’re racing in.
@@drewjonespdx McGrath just said the same thing on a MXA pod today. 450s have outgrown the stadiums
As a kid I wouldn’t ride without one. I was on 85s. Raced Barona Oaks national wearing one. Bad crash maybe saved my life maybe the reason I broke my sternum. I went head over heels 3 time cracked my helmet folded my front wheel shattered my left arm and cracked my sternum. That being said do I wear one now after a heart transplant… no I don’t if I fall heard enough knock myself out a neck brace is not what I’m worried about to be honest. I feel more comfortable and safe trusting my “style and experience” on the bike with out one. I can feel what’s happening with my bike and adjust my body a lot easier with out one.
Ryno is our Alex Jones :)
donovan mitchell is my neighbor and he is the coolest and most upbeat dude i’ve ever met!
@GypsyTales what about your boy @ToddWaters racing off-road!!
So how many people threw away their neck brace after Marvin. Won ?
All the pros started with the PCS neck support, sipes, Baggett, barcia, alessi, vilapotto , you name them they wore it as amateurs
As a newbie to the sport how are most people breaking their necks, landing big jumps?
Why hasn't someone been tracking and collecting data???
Sad but it's like rhino says. The bikes were to fast for the technique back then. Crazy cause that wasn't to long ago. Technique is now emphasize so much even at the local level. Thanks to the internet.
Two people I knew growing up in the motocross industry were paralyzed from the leatt brace. After Eric was paralyzed from the leatt brace my parents wouldn’t let me wear it anymore. Maybe today after the research the leatt is better but I truthfully believe in a neck roll more than anything. There’s a reason why Justin wore one all the way until his professional career. Chest/back protector are the best things you can wear.
"...paralyzed from the leatt brace" ?????? really?
@@cgreeneblue seems unlikely lol I only know of people who blame it for snapped collarbones
BS
Lol how can anyone prove it was the Leatt brace that caused the paralysis?! More to the point… the entire story sounds like bullshit btw 😂
It’s like riding mtb with extra weight, it will make you faster. Same with neck braces. If you can have good results with little mobility, once you take it off you’ll be able to control the bike better
If the data over time shows a decrease in spinal cord injury while wearing a neck brace then all sanctioning bodies globally amateur or professional should make it as mandatory as a helmet, regardless of lap times.
Tub Gut Mathis won't say it cuz Atlas be paying him
Millsaps was rocking the neck roll back then
Still interrupting there G
you FR?
Do what makes you feel safe when you’re out there. Just know that it is not the same as feeling good. I feel great when I shed gear but def don’t feel safe. All emotional choices.
Hughes is the man. Big fan.
how many races did Marvin win with neck brace.
He has won 36 SX MX races mostly while wearing neck brace.
Well put Michael, it was emotionally charged. There is a lot more to it, but sums it up well
If U have the flow the brace is never a bad thing to wear
Villopoto wore one and won a lot of races with and without it.
When I raced I tried to ride one lap and ditched it. Always thought it was a gimmick and a dangerous one at that
stewart wore one in practice at the washougal national. dont remember the year but sleeter is correct.
when dungey broke his neck in Colorado 2016 he didn't have a next brace on
Never had a spine snapper and never will
It’s a personal choice,.Vilopoto always wore one ☝️