I talked to Regner Cooling again yesterday and he promised to fix all the things pointed out in my video for production. That's for sure one advantage of the low volume production.
let me add a few more points to your list: - wrong materials (expensive aluminium vs. cheap steel), most likely due to manufacturer's limitations (doesn't have a stamp press) - failure to take advantage of the expensive materials (powder-coated aluminium looks like cheap steel, no brushed/textured/anodized parts visible) - wrong choice of manufacturing process and tools (expensive prototype vs. cheap mass production) - a total lack of any innovative/cool/retro/luxurious/hipster/radical/unique/elegant/satisfying/high-tech features without which this expensive product makes zero sense - primitive construction with zero convenience features (e.g. captive screws, magnetic locks, tool-less assembly, cable straps, quick-remove filters, noise/vibration dampening, etc.) - missing rubber grommets in the cable holes - this could lead to fire hazard - bland and boring aesthetics that can't compete against $100 cases - wastes space - restrictive ventilation grilles with wrong hole shape (triangle vs. hexagon) - bad airflow design (too small vent areas, the bottom fans have no room to breathe due to too short legs, etc.) - they apparently didn't even read the ATX 2.01 specification (e.g. the PSU mounting/venting requirements), this screams amateurism - they are attempting to enter one of the most brutally competitive markets in the world without being able to define their competitive advantage
€800 and not tempered glass? How is this price in any way justified? I have no issue with a super premium price, but the product has to be doing something genuinely special or facilitating a solution that is not otherwise possible.
It's pricey, but from the companies point of view I think that's because they sell in small volumes and it's made in Germany (higher production costs).
Acrylic for 800? yeah, no. Already out. Feet are super low, so there's zero airflow from the bottom. No grommets for the cable holes. Zero cable management channels on the backside, 3D printed cover, no countersinking for most of the screws, and you have to hold the parts when installing them. Just all around overpriced and mediocre. I'd give them 250for it MAYBE, being aluminum. That'd be the max, the price is completely detached from reality.
@@arudanel5542 I agree, there are lots of cheaper cases that have better features. But those are all mass produced and not made in Germany. One of the reasons why it's so expensive.
I suspect doing the double bends is very difficult with tempered glass manufacturing wise. Also might be hard shipping wise and not having it break. That said if it isn’t possible with this design and people really want tempered glass they need to know their market and do a design that will work with tempered glass. Most of the other issues seemed to be them being small and not having a huge design capacity.
@@DoctorrMetal cut and paste job, triangles are just bigger version of corsairs - Ive got a Corsair 7000X RGB here and they look v̶e̶r̶y̶ v̶e̶r̶y̶ very very very very similar, just bigger.
ahhh shit, here we go again. last time it was 1600EUR or whatever, now the "budget" version is out. i can only imagine what will come next. at least with previous case(second iteration) you were getting a rather unique design and also semi-decent loop included, but this? 800 euro for what, exactly?
Where are they trying to claim the 800 cost is coming from? This case offers literally nothing over other mainstream cases with this same design, in fact this offers less.
low mass production numbers in a high cost country (Germany). There is no way to produce anything that is even remotely competitive with big case manufacturers that have factories in asia
@@marcogenovesi8570 But its crap, people pay more for der8auers thermal paste because it's better than anything else, even if its only for the short term. This case has literally no positives, the manufacturing is irrelevant if the consumer sees zero benefit from that. Its 2024, cases aren't new, if these guys cared about anything other than making money they'd actually put some effort into making a good case. It doesn't even have a spot for an exhaust fan in the back. A crap product, made in germany, is still a crap product. It isn't suddenly worth more because of that.
everytime i watch you do a case review it just makes me wish you had your own enthusiast case company. i mean look at the impact you've already had with the Dynamic. you literally helped reinvigorate the case market with your understanding of space utilization & design. i feel like there is still so much you could do given the creative freedom & resources. another great video. always appreciate your outlook/experience & opinions Roman.
Sorry but even if it's smallscale production and made in Germany, 800 euros is way too much for a case, regardless of the functionality it provides. Unless it's covered in gold or diamonds or some othe extravant thing like that, it's not either worth it nor logical to price this so high.
For fan/radiator mounting plate i would mill out a 2,5-3 mm recess in the plate, instead of countersinking as it's 5 mm thick anyways. That way both countersunk M3/M4 and regular dome based UNC screws will fit. If they don't have access to milling and want to lasercut it, then a slight redesign of the intake pattern is needed and you simply laser cut holes all the way through so the screwheads have space.
Missed an opportunity to use something other than round, triangle or hexagonal ventilation holes. Can someone not use a Penrose P2 or an 'Einstein' pattern to be different? 🙂🤷♂️
I cant imagine having so few other things in my life an $800 pre-made case seems like a good idea! Is there nothing else in your life you could use that money on more pleasurably?
@@guiorgy Sure, everyone's kick is different, and i dont wanna yuck anyone's yum. But if the most pleasure you can get out of $800 is looking at a utilitarian PC case someone else made - i'd argue your life could really use some meaning.
The price makes no sense, CaseLabs was selling SMA8s for this much which offered much more versatility, larger case, they also were handmade, full aluminum, and could choose colors. I dont know Regner's margins but something isn't adding up..
Tell people their $30 manufacturing cost case is "hand built in Germany and aluminum" then limit production to inflate the perceived cost... That's what they're doing. It's a scam lol.
@@marcogenovesi8570eh, germany beeing a high cost country doesn't even have that much of an effect, it is more their absolutely tiny production numbers, and the fact they have so many custom parts for each specific case they do. The tooling probably adds 5-10 times the money that the lebour costs.
@@reappermen tooling is cheaper in asia (if you can use local machinery that is, this is not true for very high tech sectors but cases aren't one of them). Salaries in germany and main EU countries are around 30x the cost of salaries in asia so that's also a big factor. Especially for a product like this where the product line isn't really automated and it's just people moving the pieces between the machines
I actually really liked the look'n feel of this case. Love the design-language, the “simple look”, no unnecessary holes and cutouts and the fact that they use thick aluminum sheets. It kind of gives me a sturdy and robust industrial feel to it. But yes, at that pricepoint, there sure is some room for improvement and tweaks to be done. If I were to order one my self, I would go with a kind of dark charcoal grayish color, with mate finish, for the paintjob.
exactly what triggered me too, but I figured out their marketing: there's glass at 270° of the case, 90° on the back, 90° on the side and 90° on the front
For a build in this case be sure to add noctua desk fan first so you wont sweat and make sure that as big chunk of your budget went to the case, save money and buy cheap ssds from aliexpress and gpu and cpu too. And of course aliexpress liquid cooling. I heard you can get gpus, mobos, cpus and psus and basically everything much cheaper from there. Its amazing. So that you can enjoy your close to 1000 euros(when shipping costs added) pc case and quality aliexpress gaming pc build.
800 euro LOL, Big NO. I don't see any valid point/ reason to buy this case. Yes if the price is around $200 then it is a good case. IMO Antec C8 is much much better than this case, which is only 150$.😆
As stated, if what you want is a unique case (and have the pockets for it), then you can consider this case with a custom paint. Otherwise, as you stated, it makes no sense. Me and you aren't the target audience, chill.
@@greggreg2458 Quote from google: "You can expect to pay between $30 to $80 per square metre [for acrylic]", and considering the thickness and the 2 perfect bends, I can imagine that acrylic alone costing close to 200$
вообще удивительно что это немцы сделали, здесь в России за 76 тысяч рублей можно заказать у известного мастера ПОЛНОСТЬЮ кастомный корпус по вашему эскизу со встроенным водяным охлаждением, а тут просто толстый алюминий и гнутый акрил, да еще и с проблемами, 230 евро это потолок такого корпуса, вообще интересно когда Der8auer сделает уже свой корпус, можно начать с barebone - систем а потом уже если дело пойдет то дорасти до больших корпусов 👍
You can. For the lolz, and cause I'm bored atm - I just did a super quick one at the local PC Hardware store, no price checking or nothing. Ryzen 7600 w. cooler, Asrock B660M-HDV Mobo, Asrock RX 6600 Graphics, be quiet! Pure Power 11 500W PSU (Gold), random cheapo mesh front case with 5 rgb fans for 27 euros, Kingston Fury 16GB 6000MT/s CL30 RAM (2 sticks, EXPO), Total: €707 ($772). You got money to spare, even able to upgrade something. Like 32GB RAM or some such. Better cooler, such as the Pure Rock 2 for €36 ($39). Should be more than plenty for 1080p gaming.
Seems like nvidia pricing. Also acrylic can get micro fractures after time and for that money i would want a see through panel monitor that can display some fish when the computer is switched off.
About the acrylic window; GN recently did a video at InWin where they had a case with a similarly bent glass panel. Their’s was glass but not tempered as a curve that tight couldn’t be made without it shattering during tempering. Regner probably felt the danger of non-tempered was unacceptable, and so they made it out of acrylic. This is probably why we don’t see curves like this on cases. I’m not a Regner apologist, just being realistic.
Roman, you're not doing anyone any favours by dealing with this compony.. They are clearly an irredeemable abomination. Such basic mistakes for such a price? Pls just forget about Regner Cooling and don't spend another second of your life on them. ;)
Ok - so - I just had an idea that you might find interesting since it's kinda crosses the auto realm too. I wonder if we could apply the same ceramic coating stuff that we would apply to protect paint surfaces to the acrylic to protect it from scratches.
Personally, I do not mind acrylic at all providing it's of a high quality that's crystal clear and firm. It lowers the chance of breakage for sure, but (and it's a big but), for this price I don't know how it's justified. The case needs to offer something new, or the best thermal performance for this price. (I really do like this acrylic though)
I purchased the View 37, which I believe was one of the initial cases of its kind. The acrylic panel is bound to scratch over time; for $800, I truly think they should include tempered glass or reduce the price.
Very good job, but I have not heard anything about the window for the eps cable. For my opinion on the top on the right side of the window for eps cable another window for the cpu pwn cable or rgb/a-rgb cable for more clean cabling management is not a bad idea.
Too expensive for sure. Perhaps they can add shield or 90 degree corner to hide the Top AIO wire/tubes from a direct view? The Rubber Grommets need to be there in the same (RAL) color as the case for sure. I feel it could be nice-er had the Acryl and other side panel a hinge for easy access. It was a Proto-type not? Overall, It is a nice Fish Tank, not my taste but still nice. Curious to see the revised version, perhaps in a different color? 😇
They don't have to pay for R & D or outside consultants or hire anyone knowledgeable. They just make a prototype, send it to a reviewer and wait for the feedback. Clever.
Acrylic not glass, no grommets or dust filters and half-baked engineering for $866? Where do I buy this fine, fine product? This is a very expensive joke.
DeepCool CH780 is a better designed case. The only 2 issues I had was the opening behind the CPU was incorrectly designed, blocking 2 screw holes for the cpu mount and the case has 2 USB 3 cables but my mobo only has 1 connection.. The included gpu riser works great. A minor design gripe was that the glass panel is not easy to open and you has to open the top panel .(
Its a badly conceived 200euro case (at most). Frankly there are better cases for under 150euro on Amazon. 'Made to order' is not an excuse when its just crap, however and whatever its made of. Having to charge 800euro just means you have a terrible business model.
Hard no from me dawg, a basic fishtank case for the cost of a 7800x3d+ram+mobo+ssd+lian lis most expensive xl case plus a cooler/aio (depending on brand)
I rather have a magnesium case with tempered glass. Triple pane tempered glass is a better thermal sink then you'd expect it diffuses case heat much better than like ultra thin paper glass.
At this price, you are approaching what a fully custom case would cost. I honestly think that Regner would do better to lean into the bespoke market more, given that the quality of the aluminum and the low-volume production in Germany means that they are never going to be competing with the likes of Lian Li or Corsair. They should also look into hiring someone with a good eye for detail, as some of the omissions seem really obvious and totally unacceptable for €800.
The distortion from the acrylic is awful. I just don't see how they found that to be even close to an acceptable solution. It is going to be scratched and look terrible so quicly. Also the exposed screws while not an eyesore to me, are just begging to have scratches around them from a mishap with a screwdriver. Im not even close to the target market for something like this, but I think the people that are will expect much better than this thing offers.
I feel like somebody in that company didn't do market research because I don't see why this case should cost 800€... It has just plastic instead of glass, nobody really cares it's made out of aluminum because it's still under paint so if they used some cheaper sheet steel it would be just as good. One thing I've noticed is that they have no grooves or mechanism for dust filters so, in few months your nice fish tank PC will be full of dust. If this was cheap under 150€ case then these things can be overlooked to a point. Paying 800€ for PC that is cutting corners is crazy.
If this is too large to use tempered glass then that side panel better be polycarbonate for $800. I don't care how thick it is, acrylic is just not acceptable. There are a lot of things I do like about the case but they really need to consult with more experienced builders before getting this far in the design process.
Sounds like a one man company who has bought a laser cutter and a powder coating machine and is making them with out consideration of the multiple combinations of components that PC is made up of.
I like the idea of thick aluminum plates for the bottom and top, but these parts look like they've been laser cut, then immediately sent to powder coating without doing any finishing, deburring, or cleaning operations prior. There's some really bad burrs and specs of dirt or crap inside the triangle vent holes that looks awful, as well as incomplete coverage of powder inside these triangle cutouts. It looks like I cut these out and painted it with a rattle can myself. Zero attention to detail in the design or quality in the manufacturing, besides the material used, and even that is debatable.
Derbauer Is it better to keep the case fans and CPU fans at a steady speed for gaming or to create fan curves? If creating fan curves, what speeds or percentages should I set them to?
Whatever temps & noise you're comfortable with. The case, your fans, your CPU, and what not. Need some specs. When your PC is idling, depending on your case and what not, 25% is probably fine for most fans. As you start doing more you start ramping it up, again - with as much as you're comfortable with. Latest machine I set up a curve for, a Ryzen 5600 as a server, in a closet, I had case fans off at sub 30c (cause low idle draw), on at 30% at 45c, 50% at 55c, 70% at 65c, 100% at 80c. Though, in the case of that one, I don't ever expect it to actually hit 80c. Really depends. Also, if your fan settings has a delay setting - do use that. Yo-yo fans are horrible to listen to. I got all mine set to a 7s spin-up/down cycle, the instant drives me nuts.
Thank you very much for the reply. I have a similar fan curve like yours, but I was just trying to see because in some of the videos, Derbauer says he has his fans at a steady 800 RPM and the CPU fans at 1000 RPM.
@@cyberchief4336 For my PC, I do something along those lines as well - but, I do run 2x480mm custom loops, and unless I'm gaming something like Cyberpunk for a prolonged time I don't really need it to run higher. My PC's fan curve is something like 25% till 35c, 40% till 45c. and then rising quite rapidly thereafter - as it's not supposed to get that high anyhow. The fan curve is based on my water temperature though, which - with a 480mm radiator, doesn't usually get very high. Only once seen my water temp at 50c, and that's cause the fans, through GPU software, didn't get my fan curve at all, so they just turned off. Woops. Suppose you can probably do the same for a good AIO, with the CPU fan curve. Easier if you can read water temperature though.
Except the very high quality material, it's definitely way inferior to the top "standard" cases, and even mid tier ones that costs 10% of its price, so what's the point of paying 800EUR for this ?
The ostentatious 'Regner Cooling System' badges with an ice flake logo I think is what irks me the most. There isn't anything new, innovative or different about the cooling this case provides. In fact, it's worse compared to similar cases - take the limited bottom clearance and the suffocating PSU. At least the boss case they made earlier featured a custom cooling design. It didn't work, but it did justify the badging.
I think people say "oh it's plastic, that makes it cheap." Nah that stuff isn't cheap. To me it looks exactly like the stuff we used to use when making aquariums. It's perfectly clear, strong, the only potential weakness was the bond points for multiple pieces. It was perfect for making gorgeous fish tanks. Properly finished it came out looking amazing. Problem was it wasn't cheap. I worked for a company that made custom tanks, and we went under because of the acrylic costs. Back then? It was cheaper to make a fish tank out of glass by about 5 to 6 times - but you couldn't get those beautiful shapes that people wanted. That was back in the early 2000s, I suppose it might have gotten cheaper, but since nothing else has, I can't really see it. Unless they are sourcing the materials themselves, shaping, and finishing it themselves? They're probably getting fleeced by whoever their provider is. Not really surprising that someone said "Eh these are basically just fish tanks for computers, why don't we do just do it how they do?" Because it ain't cheap.
You're out of touch on the manufacturing cost for acrylic. There's no defending the price based off the panel. Your assumption that everything has gotten expensive, so that means manufacturing is as well is flawed. Manufacturing costs haven't increased substantially, but ability and volume have gone through the roof. Corporate greed is what made this expensive, not production. Production is cheap.
Such case would be epic if it had support for all the connectors on the back of the mobo, there will be just a gpu cable and maybe a fan cable here and there If the industry can figure out a standard😂 Also its eay to expensive
There NEEDS to be a LOT of improvements on this $200 case.... I can't believe that they ever built a system in this case before... such SIMPLE MISTAKES that ANYONE that has built a PC before would have noticed RIGHT AWAY!!! A simple chamfer/recessed screw holes and and 5mm longer screws would have EASILY been spotted if they attempted to put an AIO in their case and they would have ABSOLUTELY NOTICED that stupid mistake!! I could understand the ventilation holes by the PSU being overlooked because they may have tested a different style of PSU.... like just a no-name brand PSU... but how did they screw up the mounting screw position being 1mm to the side?!?! lol That is a UNIVERSAL MOUNTING PATTERN!!! 🤦♂ - - they NEVER DID do a BUILD in the case, DID THEY?!?!? 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂ smfh.... and I'm sorry it doesn't even look all that great... the bend in the acrylic was poorly done IMO ... you could see that the main curve wasn't done very smoothly... when you look through that bend (and there are components in the case) as you move your head you can see different angles, like it was bent in stages, whereas glass HAS TO be done ALL AT ONCE IN ONE SMOOTH BEND... and without any components mounted inside you cant see these bend because it's all white, so the distortions in the acrylic bend just don't show up very easily... - - - HARD PASS FOR ME, EVEN IF IT WAS ONLY $100!
They must have designed this case then made it but never actually built a pc in it. For $800 there is no way in hell I would be buying this case. What a waste
I think i'd just buy the Jonsbo TK-2 v2..with how copycat obsessed case manufacturers are now, theres always going to be something to catch the aesthetic at a fraction of the price.
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I talked to Regner Cooling again yesterday and he promised to fix all the things pointed out in my video for production. That's for sure one advantage of the low volume production.
let me add a few more points to your list:
- wrong materials (expensive aluminium vs. cheap steel), most likely due to manufacturer's limitations (doesn't have a stamp press)
- failure to take advantage of the expensive materials (powder-coated aluminium looks like cheap steel, no brushed/textured/anodized parts visible)
- wrong choice of manufacturing process and tools (expensive prototype vs. cheap mass production)
- a total lack of any innovative/cool/retro/luxurious/hipster/radical/unique/elegant/satisfying/high-tech features without which this expensive product makes zero sense
- primitive construction with zero convenience features (e.g. captive screws, magnetic locks, tool-less assembly, cable straps, quick-remove filters, noise/vibration dampening, etc.)
- missing rubber grommets in the cable holes - this could lead to fire hazard
- bland and boring aesthetics that can't compete against $100 cases
- wastes space
- restrictive ventilation grilles with wrong hole shape (triangle vs. hexagon)
- bad airflow design (too small vent areas, the bottom fans have no room to breathe due to too short legs, etc.)
- they apparently didn't even read the ATX 2.01 specification (e.g. the PSU mounting/venting requirements), this screams amateurism
- they are attempting to enter one of the most brutally competitive markets in the world without being able to define their competitive advantage
if they custom build them all, maybe the screwholes and bracket for the rads can be 140mm or 120/140mm on demand?
$800 for what exactly? For me to be unreasonably generous with pricing, I would not even pay $200 for this. I mean really though. Is this a joke?
Yes a few polishing areas like you mentioned. I think this case would be near Perfect! Would be great as a mass production case!
At that price? They should sell in packs of three. 😂
€800 and not tempered glass? How is this price in any way justified? I have no issue with a super premium price, but the product has to be doing something genuinely special or facilitating a solution that is not otherwise possible.
It's pricey, but from the companies point of view I think that's because they sell in small volumes and it's made in Germany (higher production costs).
I don't think you can bend tempered glass like this.
Acrylic for 800? yeah, no. Already out. Feet are super low, so there's zero airflow from the bottom. No grommets for the cable holes. Zero cable management channels on the backside, 3D printed cover, no countersinking for most of the screws, and you have to hold the parts when installing them. Just all around overpriced and mediocre. I'd give them 250for it MAYBE, being aluminum. That'd be the max, the price is completely detached from reality.
@@arudanel5542 I agree, there are lots of cheaper cases that have better features. But those are all mass produced and not made in Germany. One of the reasons why it's so expensive.
I suspect doing the double bends is very difficult with tempered glass manufacturing wise. Also might be hard shipping wise and not having it break. That said if it isn’t possible with this design and people really want tempered glass they need to know their market and do a design that will work with tempered glass. Most of the other issues seemed to be them being small and not having a huge design capacity.
I will say that it's impressive that this company is still around.
It seems Regner is run by designers instead of engineers
i agree :)
Really? They couldn't even design a unique case. It looks like what all the others are making, just worse
@@DoctorrMetal cut and paste job, triangles are just bigger version of corsairs - Ive got a Corsair 7000X RGB here and they look v̶e̶r̶y̶ v̶e̶r̶y̶ very very very very similar, just bigger.
I wouldn't even buy this for 200. Quick fix or not, they need to redesign the whole manufacturing process.
Even fans are not included, what were they thinking...
ahhh shit, here we go again. last time it was 1600EUR or whatever, now the "budget" version is out. i can only imagine what will come next.
at least with previous case(second iteration) you were getting a rather unique design and also semi-decent loop included, but this? 800 euro for what, exactly?
SF factor case for 450 euros.
A cardboard box for 400 euro
@@carl4889 german cardboard is the best
Where are they trying to claim the 800 cost is coming from? This case offers literally nothing over other mainstream cases with this same design, in fact this offers less.
low mass production numbers in a high cost country (Germany). There is no way to produce anything that is even remotely competitive with big case manufacturers that have factories in asia
@@marcogenovesi8570 But its crap, people pay more for der8auers thermal paste because it's better than anything else, even if its only for the short term. This case has literally no positives, the manufacturing is irrelevant if the consumer sees zero benefit from that.
Its 2024, cases aren't new, if these guys cared about anything other than making money they'd actually put some effort into making a good case. It doesn't even have a spot for an exhaust fan in the back.
A crap product, made in germany, is still a crap product. It isn't suddenly worth more because of that.
The same place the O11 gets it's price tag. Out of the manufacturers ass, even the cheap chinese cases have massive margins.
Also, not much clearance at the bottom for airflow, the legs are very short. But, $866 USD, That's crazy!
He already pointed that out in the video?
everytime i watch you do a case review it just makes me wish you had your own enthusiast case company. i mean look at the impact you've already had with the Dynamic. you literally helped reinvigorate the case market with your understanding of space utilization & design. i feel like there is still so much you could do given the creative freedom & resources.
another great video. always appreciate your outlook/experience & opinions Roman.
They're insane with that pricing. Plus, it has small feet
Sorry but even if it's smallscale production and made in Germany, 800 euros is way too much for a case, regardless of the functionality it provides. Unless it's covered in gold or diamonds or some othe extravant thing like that, it's not either worth it nor logical to price this so high.
For fan/radiator mounting plate i would mill out a 2,5-3 mm recess in the plate, instead of countersinking as it's 5 mm thick anyways. That way both countersunk M3/M4 and regular dome based UNC screws will fit.
If they don't have access to milling and want to lasercut it, then a slight redesign of the intake pattern is needed and you simply laser cut holes all the way through so the screwheads have space.
Missed an opportunity to use something other than round, triangle or hexagonal ventilation holes. Can someone not use a Penrose P2 or an 'Einstein' pattern to be different? 🙂🤷♂️
hexagons are the bestagons
I cant imagine having so few other things in my life an $800 pre-made case seems like a good idea!
Is there nothing else in your life you could use that money on more pleasurably?
and thats 100% not to knock the pleasure of crafting it yourself
Save the money, add a bit more and spend it on an RTX5060
What's pleasurable to oneself is subjective, even if others don't understand it
@@guiorgy Sure, everyone's kick is different, and i dont wanna yuck anyone's yum.
But if the most pleasure you can get out of $800 is looking at a utilitarian PC case someone else made - i'd argue your life could really use some meaning.
I think this is for people who have so many things (and so much money) that spending 800 euros on this is no big deal.
The price makes no sense, CaseLabs was selling SMA8s for this much which offered much more versatility, larger case, they also were handmade, full aluminum, and could choose colors. I dont know Regner's margins but something isn't adding up..
Tell people their $30 manufacturing cost case is "hand built in Germany and aluminum" then limit production to inflate the perceived cost... That's what they're doing. It's a scam lol.
The only thing that ain't adding up is their balance sheets after no one buys this thing.
The price is insane...
What exactly does it offer to cost that much? I am confused as to what..its does different.
it's made in low numbers in a high cost country. This case is an example of why everybody is manufacturing cases in asia
it pays "free" healthcare for the german worker
@@marcogenovesi8570eh, germany beeing a high cost country doesn't even have that much of an effect, it is more their absolutely tiny production numbers, and the fact they have so many custom parts for each specific case they do. The tooling probably adds 5-10 times the money that the lebour costs.
@@reappermen tooling is cheaper in asia (if you can use local machinery that is, this is not true for very high tech sectors but cases aren't one of them).
Salaries in germany and main EU countries are around 30x the cost of salaries in asia so that's also a big factor.
Especially for a product like this where the product line isn't really automated and it's just people moving the pieces between the machines
It's crazy after all this time they still can't get the basics right. It's like it was designed by someone that's never built a PC before.
🎱🎱Always Fun Roman! Thanks for the video! 🎱🎱
my case was around 60 quid, it has case ventilation & a removable dust filter for the PSU...
€800? Holy crap. I bought an £80 O11D knock-off that's better designed than that!
Super detailed review! If even considering this case, just get a King 95 and put the savings toward a 4090. :)
You could flat out buy a 4070Ti for about the price of this case, which is beyond insane.
“It’s at least lighter” yeah I hope so, the first one has 2 frikin MORAs and 8 NF-A20s complete with a d5, fittings, tubing and quick disconnects!
10:20 No worries. With that price there won't be any mass production of this case, so 3D printing it is for that part you are looking at.
They're gonna sell a DLC that is placed over the power button and prevents cats from turning your system on and off.
I actually really liked the look'n feel of this case.
Love the design-language, the “simple look”, no unnecessary holes and cutouts and the fact that they use thick aluminum sheets.
It kind of gives me a sturdy and robust industrial feel to it.
But yes, at that pricepoint, there sure is some room for improvement and tweaks to be done.
If I were to order one my self, I would go with a kind of dark charcoal grayish color, with mate finish, for the paintjob.
Product site now mentions tempered glass
How is two 90* bends = 270*?????
exactly what triggered me too, but I figured out their marketing: there's glass at 270° of the case, 90° on the back, 90° on the side and 90° on the front
@@dasiro Could've used "3 sided window" but bigger numbers and useless techy/engineering specs or buzzwords are a marketing team's wet dream.
For a build in this case be sure to add noctua desk fan first so you wont sweat and make sure that as big chunk of your budget went to the case, save money and buy cheap ssds from aliexpress and gpu and cpu too. And of course aliexpress liquid cooling. I heard you can get gpus, mobos, cpus and psus and basically everything much cheaper from there. Its amazing. So that you can enjoy your close to 1000 euros(when shipping costs added) pc case and quality aliexpress gaming pc build.
800 euro LOL, Big NO. I don't see any valid point/ reason to buy this case. Yes if the price is around $200 then it is a good case. IMO Antec C8 is much much better than this case, which is only 150$.😆
As stated, if what you want is a unique case (and have the pockets for it), then you can consider this case with a custom paint. Otherwise, as you stated, it makes no sense.
Me and you aren't the target audience, chill.
Acrylic glass in a 200$ case?
@@greggreg2458 Quote from google: "You can expect to pay between $30 to $80 per square metre [for acrylic]", and considering the thickness and the 2 perfect bends, I can imagine that acrylic alone costing close to 200$
вообще удивительно что это немцы сделали, здесь в России за 76 тысяч рублей можно заказать у известного мастера ПОЛНОСТЬЮ кастомный корпус по вашему эскизу со встроенным водяным охлаждением, а тут просто толстый алюминий и гнутый акрил, да еще и с проблемами, 230 евро это потолок такого корпуса, вообще интересно когда Der8auer сделает уже свой корпус, можно начать с barebone - систем а потом уже если дело пойдет то дорасти до больших корпусов 👍
Great review thxs, only criticism i have is the AIO, mounted so cables go forward, i always build mine cable back. It just looks better imo
I think I can build a pretty good 1080p gaming PC with better aesthetics for 866usd...
You can.
For the lolz, and cause I'm bored atm - I just did a super quick one at the local PC Hardware store, no price checking or nothing.
Ryzen 7600 w. cooler, Asrock B660M-HDV Mobo, Asrock RX 6600 Graphics, be quiet! Pure Power 11 500W PSU (Gold), random cheapo mesh front case with 5 rgb fans for 27 euros, Kingston Fury 16GB 6000MT/s CL30 RAM (2 sticks, EXPO),
Total: €707 ($772).
You got money to spare, even able to upgrade something. Like 32GB RAM or some such. Better cooler, such as the Pure Rock 2 for €36 ($39).
Should be more than plenty for 1080p gaming.
Seems like nvidia pricing. Also acrylic can get micro fractures after time and for that money i would want a see through panel monitor that can display some fish when the computer is switched off.
About the acrylic window; GN recently did a video at InWin where they had a case with a similarly bent glass panel. Their’s was glass but not tempered as a curve that tight couldn’t be made without it shattering during tempering. Regner probably felt the danger of non-tempered was unacceptable, and so they made it out of acrylic. This is probably why we don’t see curves like this on cases.
I’m not a Regner apologist, just being realistic.
acrylics are much cheaper than glass, i used acrylic pannel on low volume self made case priced under 80$.
That is the best looking of the O11-style cases I've ever seen and it's not even close, wow!
You'd need a gasket for the rad mountings.
Roman, you're not doing anyone any favours by dealing with this compony.. They are clearly an irredeemable abomination. Such basic mistakes for such a price? Pls just forget about Regner Cooling and don't spend another second of your life on them. ;)
Isn't telling people about potential issues with it doing people a service?
Ok - so - I just had an idea that you might find interesting since it's kinda crosses the auto realm too.
I wonder if we could apply the same ceramic coating stuff that we would apply to protect paint surfaces to the acrylic to protect it from scratches.
800 is crazy, you could have something fully custom manufactured at that point.
Aluminum is nice but acrylic (plastic) not glass is a hard sell.
White case can we get white front panel cable wires. Also open each radiator location and put filter instead. Rear fan. Less name branding also.
Damm that is expensive 😵💫
Personally, I do not mind acrylic at all providing it's of a high quality that's crystal clear and firm. It lowers the chance of breakage for sure, but (and it's a big but), for this price I don't know how it's justified. The case needs to offer something new, or the best thermal performance for this price. (I really do like this acrylic though)
2025 Case Trends: Double Curved Glass Panels.
Watch this will be the next thing all mfg's jump on
800 bucks? That's not competitive. What are they thinking?
I purchased the View 37, which I believe was one of the initial cases of its kind. The acrylic panel is bound to scratch over time; for $800, I truly think they should include tempered glass or reduce the price.
Very good job, but I have not heard anything about the window for the eps cable. For my opinion on the top on the right side of the window for eps cable another window for the cpu pwn cable or rgb/a-rgb cable for more clean cabling management is not a bad idea.
Too expensive for sure.
Perhaps they can add shield or 90 degree corner to hide the Top AIO wire/tubes from a direct view?
The Rubber Grommets need to be there in the same (RAL) color as the case for sure.
I feel it could be nice-er had the Acryl and other side panel a hinge for easy access.
It was a Proto-type not?
Overall, It is a nice Fish Tank, not my taste but still nice.
Curious to see the revised version, perhaps in a different color?
😇
For a PC case that expensive I would have also expected support for reverse connector motherboards.
They don't have to pay for R & D or outside consultants or hire anyone knowledgeable. They just make a prototype, send it to a reviewer and wait for the feedback. Clever.
That price is ridiculous. You can buy two lian li v3000 plus for that price.
You can buy many good cars for the price of one Bugatti, your point?
@@guiorgywhat do this case and a Bugatti have in common 😂 both overpriced and better options much cheaper 😂
@@Th3Fly1ngCow True 😂
But both have buyers. Ones trash is another's treasure (this is normally used in a different context, but whatever)
Acrylic not glass, no grommets or dust filters and half-baked engineering for $866? Where do I buy this fine, fine product? This is a very expensive joke.
dust filters, yes totally agree, put them in a box and clean your pc ... you can see dust build up ... lots of glass panels these days
no gromets for the cable cutouts? wtf
DeepCool CH780 is a better designed case. The only 2 issues I had was the opening behind the CPU was incorrectly designed, blocking 2 screw holes for the cpu mount and the case has 2 USB 3 cables but my mobo only has 1 connection.. The included gpu riser works great. A minor design gripe was that the glass panel is not easy to open and you has to open the top panel .(
Its a badly conceived 200euro case (at most). Frankly there are better cases for under 150euro on Amazon. 'Made to order' is not an excuse when its just crap, however and whatever its made of.
Having to charge 800euro just means you have a terrible business model.
they should have options for different textures, something crazy like "anyozided titanium" for such price
Hard no from me dawg, a basic fishtank case for the cost of a 7800x3d+ram+mobo+ssd+lian lis most expensive xl case plus a cooler/aio (depending on brand)
I rather have a magnesium case with tempered glass. Triple pane tempered glass is a better thermal sink then you'd expect it diffuses case heat much better than like ultra thin paper glass.
At this price, you are approaching what a fully custom case would cost. I honestly think that Regner would do better to lean into the bespoke market more, given that the quality of the aluminum and the low-volume production in Germany means that they are never going to be competing with the likes of Lian Li or Corsair. They should also look into hiring someone with a good eye for detail, as some of the omissions seem really obvious and totally unacceptable for €800.
Pass.
knowing lore of that 4090 i doubt roman had mutch faith anyway
The distortion from the acrylic is awful. I just don't see how they found that to be even close to an acceptable solution. It is going to be scratched and look terrible so quicly. Also the exposed screws while not an eyesore to me, are just begging to have scratches around them from a mishap with a screwdriver. Im not even close to the target market for something like this, but I think the people that are will expect much better than this thing offers.
No ventilation for the PSU seems like an oversight really. Not sure what's worse, that being an oversight or not being an oversight.
They took notes about what jonsbo does because this regner case looks very similar to the tk-2
I feel like somebody in that company didn't do market research because I don't see why this case should cost 800€... It has just plastic instead of glass, nobody really cares it's made out of aluminum because it's still under paint so if they used some cheaper sheet steel it would be just as good. One thing I've noticed is that they have no grooves or mechanism for dust filters so, in few months your nice fish tank PC will be full of dust.
If this was cheap under 150€ case then these things can be overlooked to a point. Paying 800€ for PC that is cutting corners is crazy.
Look similar to the Montech King 95 case
Where is the GPU support? Like that the GPU is randomly gonna crack at the PCI-e connector. For that price I would have expected that to be included.
Yikes! That side panel that blocks the power supply from breathing. That’s bad!
The advanced math that turns two 90-degree angles into "270 degrees" is surely worth more than USD 800, right...?
If this is too large to use tempered glass then that side panel better be polycarbonate for $800. I don't care how thick it is, acrylic is just not acceptable. There are a lot of things I do like about the case but they really need to consult with more experienced builders before getting this far in the design process.
I would expect something quite special for 800 euro. Seems wasted to not leave the aluminium brushed of polished
idea - 10/10, realization - 2/10, price - 800/200 :)
Sounds like a one man company who has bought a laser cutter and a powder coating machine and is making them with out consideration of the multiple combinations of components that PC is made up of.
Way too expensive, doesn't look as good as the o11 Dynamic Evo..
I actually think it looks quite cheap..
I like the idea of thick aluminum plates for the bottom and top, but these parts look like they've been laser cut, then immediately sent to powder coating without doing any finishing, deburring, or cleaning operations prior. There's some really bad burrs and specs of dirt or crap inside the triangle vent holes that looks awful, as well as incomplete coverage of powder inside these triangle cutouts. It looks like I cut these out and painted it with a rattle can myself. Zero attention to detail in the design or quality in the manufacturing, besides the material used, and even that is debatable.
I'm sorry, but what is this cool 12VHPWR LED adapter you use?
👍 for video 👎🏻 for case
15:00 Roman Advocating having your PC catch on fire. Nice.
Where's your extension for that screw driver?
Derbauer
Is it better to keep the case fans and CPU fans at a steady speed for gaming or to create fan curves? If creating fan curves, what speeds or percentages should I set them to?
Whatever temps & noise you're comfortable with. The case, your fans, your CPU, and what not. Need some specs.
When your PC is idling, depending on your case and what not, 25% is probably fine for most fans.
As you start doing more you start ramping it up, again - with as much as you're comfortable with.
Latest machine I set up a curve for, a Ryzen 5600 as a server, in a closet, I had case fans off at sub 30c (cause low idle draw), on at 30% at 45c, 50% at 55c, 70% at 65c, 100% at 80c.
Though, in the case of that one, I don't ever expect it to actually hit 80c.
Really depends. Also, if your fan settings has a delay setting - do use that. Yo-yo fans are horrible to listen to. I got all mine set to a 7s spin-up/down cycle, the instant drives me nuts.
Thank you very much for the reply. I have a similar fan curve like yours, but I was just trying to see because in some of the videos, Derbauer says he has his fans at a steady 800 RPM and the CPU fans at 1000 RPM.
@@cyberchief4336
For my PC, I do something along those lines as well - but, I do run 2x480mm custom loops, and unless I'm gaming something like Cyberpunk for a prolonged time I don't really need it to run higher.
My PC's fan curve is something like 25% till 35c, 40% till 45c. and then rising quite rapidly thereafter - as it's not supposed to get that high anyhow.
The fan curve is based on my water temperature though, which - with a 480mm radiator, doesn't usually get very high. Only once seen my water temp at 50c, and that's cause the fans, through GPU software, didn't get my fan curve at all, so they just turned off. Woops.
Suppose you can probably do the same for a good AIO, with the CPU fan curve. Easier if you can read water temperature though.
Crazy. My Hyte case cost 500 bucks less and is twice as nice to build in and it has real glass.
The logo's are way too big too. And why are there TWO on the case?
At this point they just need to hire you. Or give you a consultation fee.
You're right, they clearly didn't have a real PC builder test it. This case is a huge waste of money.
Don't these guys test/build their things before sending out review units?
Except the very high quality material, it's definitely way inferior to the top "standard" cases, and even mid tier ones that costs 10% of its price, so what's the point of paying 800EUR for this ?
The ostentatious 'Regner Cooling System' badges with an ice flake logo I think is what irks me the most. There isn't anything new, innovative or different about the cooling this case provides. In fact, it's worse compared to similar cases - take the limited bottom clearance and the suffocating PSU. At least the boss case they made earlier featured a custom cooling design. It didn't work, but it did justify the badging.
800 euro for another O11-esque case? Are they insane?
I think people say "oh it's plastic, that makes it cheap." Nah that stuff isn't cheap. To me it looks exactly like the stuff we used to use when making aquariums. It's perfectly clear, strong, the only potential weakness was the bond points for multiple pieces. It was perfect for making gorgeous fish tanks. Properly finished it came out looking amazing. Problem was it wasn't cheap.
I worked for a company that made custom tanks, and we went under because of the acrylic costs. Back then? It was cheaper to make a fish tank out of glass by about 5 to 6 times - but you couldn't get those beautiful shapes that people wanted. That was back in the early 2000s, I suppose it might have gotten cheaper, but since nothing else has, I can't really see it. Unless they are sourcing the materials themselves, shaping, and finishing it themselves? They're probably getting fleeced by whoever their provider is.
Not really surprising that someone said "Eh these are basically just fish tanks for computers, why don't we do just do it how they do?" Because it ain't cheap.
Do you have any tips for resealing a Metaframe?
You're out of touch on the manufacturing cost for acrylic. There's no defending the price based off the panel. Your assumption that everything has gotten expensive, so that means manufacturing is as well is flawed. Manufacturing costs haven't increased substantially, but ability and volume have gone through the roof. Corporate greed is what made this expensive, not production. Production is cheap.
Such case would be epic if it had support for all the connectors on the back of the mobo, there will be just a gpu cable and maybe a fan cable here and there
If the industry can figure out a standard😂
Also its eay to expensive
just showing this video to metalsmith nearby my area, i might can get around 100-200$ to do this. AND HOW THE HELL THIS CASE SO SPECIAL cost 800 euro.
There NEEDS to be a LOT of improvements on this $200 case.... I can't believe that they ever built a system in this case before... such SIMPLE MISTAKES that ANYONE that has built a PC before would have noticed RIGHT AWAY!!! A simple chamfer/recessed screw holes and and 5mm longer screws would have EASILY been spotted if they attempted to put an AIO in their case and they would have ABSOLUTELY NOTICED that stupid mistake!! I could understand the ventilation holes by the PSU being overlooked because they may have tested a different style of PSU.... like just a no-name brand PSU... but how did they screw up the mounting screw position being 1mm to the side?!?! lol That is a UNIVERSAL MOUNTING PATTERN!!! 🤦♂
- - they NEVER DID do a BUILD in the case, DID THEY?!?!? 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂ smfh.... and I'm sorry it doesn't even look all that great... the bend in the acrylic was poorly done IMO ... you could see that the main curve wasn't done very smoothly... when you look through that bend (and there are components in the case) as you move your head you can see different angles, like it was bent in stages, whereas glass HAS TO be done ALL AT ONCE IN ONE SMOOTH BEND... and without any components mounted inside you cant see these bend because it's all white, so the distortions in the acrylic bend just don't show up very easily...
- - - HARD PASS FOR ME, EVEN IF IT WAS ONLY $100!
Do you send them your feedback?
They must have designed this case then made it but never actually built a pc in it. For $800 there is no way in hell I would be buying this case. What a waste
Ahh for the price you think it would provide slightly longer radiator screws
I think i'd just buy the Jonsbo TK-2 v2..with how copycat obsessed case manufacturers are now, theres always going to be something to catch the aesthetic at a fraction of the price.
You can get a Montech King 95 Pro for like USD$125. Who is buying this and why do they hate money?
Why would I spend 800 funny money on an 011n't when I can just order an 011?
Not in 800 years.