We just replaced all the old fluorescent lights in our garage with LEDs, and wow that really made a huge difference in there. It’s really bright in there now and they’ll use much less energy. Definitely an upgrade that’s been long overdue. Plus the LED fixtures weigh a lot less. Less than a pound per fixture instead of 5 or 6 pounds per fixture.
The heat thing caught me up a few years ago. One major difference is that the circuits in LED bulbs really only work in a pretty limited temperature range (they're actually circuits; all LEDs flicker, it's just the circuits make them flicker faster than the human eye can perceive). The problem is, incandescent lights put out more heat than an LED can tolerate, so you can't put them together in the same fixture.
low quality leds will flicker as they use pwm for dimming, but constant current bulbs will actually vary the voltage to reduce the brightness. this does mean the higher quality leds will burn out quicker since they’re always on whereas pwm bulbs are effectively on for less time.
Thank you for this video. We are using the wrong bulb for our enclosed dining room light. It got so hot the bulb stopped working after a short period of time.
@@staceym9163yes, as long as the socket is of the same type. The E26 (Edison - one of the inventors of electricity distribution) in North Amerian is so common you probably will not even have to check.
We use this same brand LED rated for enclosed fixtures in our apt complex and we spend a fortune replacing them all the time. They do not last anywhere near what is advertised. I think they are a slam dunk on that big of a scale for savings if we didn’t have to replace them all the time.
Same experience here too. Many brands tested and they are far under the incandescent lifespan. I have the feeling that these led bulbs are underengineered. Lack of cooling and overdriving of the led's are a sure path to death.
Yup. Cheap led bulbs don’t last. You need to spend cash for good ones. But then, the “savings “ is lost. I’ve yet to see a savings on my electric bill and I changed my entire store to led. $5k and I see maybe $30 a month and it’s actually darker.
i have gotten many of the same they have on the table have had some still going and some work for maybe a month of very light use, here is to hoping for better QC
I have three CFLs left to change out. They're in the closet and get little use so I'm waiting for them to stop working! I love the 100w equivalents in my shop and on the porch lights
HI TOH , I love these led energy saving light bulbs that they make , especially with the price of everything going up , thanks for showing us heath & kevin ! 😊🛠
The amount of heat put out by incandescent bulbs is tremendous. After switching to LEDs in our bathroom we found that the mirrors were foggy after bathing. That's because the previous incandescents were putting out SO MUCH HEAT that they kept the humidity down.
There are some truly unlucky people here because everywhere I could put them, I've gone LED and and count on 1 hand how many have failed over the years. No flickering, no weird nothing they just work and for areas like the porch or garage side, having one on for a good part of the evening means alot less money than an old heat bulb. I've gotten good at knowing which temperature is best suited for which kind of environment because are the gentleman said, the 5000Ks and up don't work very well in dining or living rooms (unless you like that kind of office like environment). They last longer. They give off less heat. They use alot less electricity - it's really a no brainier. On top of that, they will still work after dropped - for a butterfingers like me, a blessing.
I see alot of comments about leds not lasting as long as advertised. Generally, the name brand bulbs (GE, Philips, Sylvania, etc.) perform better than the cheap ones. They cost a little more, but should last much longer. Also, name brands usually have a 3-5 year warranty. Nobody really uses it, but if you look on the box, they actually do have it. At least if it does fail, you can get a free replacement. Alot of the newer "smart" leds have all kinds of features now. You can make them change colors, control them with your phone, set them on timers, control with Alexa, run routines (like turn on garage light if garage door opens), and all kinds of stuff. Then there are also the "vintage" style leds, like the one he picked up at the 2:30 mark. Those kind of mimic incandescent filaments, but you still get the energy savings. Kind of the best of both worlds for people who prefer glass bulbs.
"They cost a little more, but should last much longer." Bullshit. if you get the same lifespan as a regular light bulb then you're lucky. They never last long enough to justify the expense. LED bulbs are complete garbage, " Also, name brands usually have a 3-5 year warranty." Another plus for regular lightbulbs- they don't promise replacement under conditions that will never happen (keeping the receipt for every light bulb you buy for five years).
@@jimbeam-ru1my ... dude, you are arguing about this in 2023? It's been proven many times over that LEDs last much longer than incandescent and use a fraction of the energy. It's not worth arguing. What I was saying is stick to the name brands because they have better quality than the cheap ones. As for the warranty... well, that's how warranties work. Nowdays everything is electronic, so there is a chance you can pull up a receipt if you try. Not saying it's necessarily worth the effort, but it's usually possible. Personally I wouldn't bother unless it was one of those fancy smart bulbs or something. But I still don't see how you think having a warranty is some kind of negative. Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you to switch to LED. If you insist on clinging to the past, go right ahead. Enjoy your incandescents.
I could care less what LED's can possibly do theoretically. In practice, they suck. They are just a con to get the consumer to pay more money for light bulbs. I've got a box of LED's that advertise a lifespan of 18 years. In practice they go about 6 months. That's the difference between theory and reality, so it's no wonder that you would use theory rather than reality to defend LED. The bottom line is you will pay more overall to light your house with LED than incandescent bulbs.
A more in-depth discussion of LED CRI (Color Rendering Index) would be appreciated. It seems that the bulbs that can adjust color can also (at least in some models) really screw up the color of other things in the room, and even fixed color temperature bulbs can have very different CRI between different manufacturers. When I remodeled my house I carefully looked at paint samples in both daylight and 2700° LED light at night, and specified 2700° LED lights for the room, but the electrician installed a different brand, with a different CRI, and the paint looked terrible until I switched to the original brand of LED that I used for my tests.
CRI 70 makes everything look bleak and desaturated, 80 is more or less natural and 90 is just impressive but hard to get. as many independent tests show, some manufacturers lie about their CRI that is why you noticed the difference between the brands, the one your electrician installed probably had fake numbers.
@@freddyfriend5462 not unless something is seriously wrong with your electricity! The filament can't cool down fast enough. Florescent and LED products are much more prone to flicker problems. In fact some LEDs flash fast by design, and we're talking full on to full off. The cons topic is complicated so I won't get into that here
Maybe it is just in my head but I honestly feel like I change bulbs more often now with all LEDs. I started writing the dates on the bases and nearly every time I change the bulb I realize it made it roughly 2.5 years. My next step is to actually keep a spreadsheet to confirm this but I haven't changed one before the 2 year mark and I've yet to discover one that lasted longer than 3 years. These are all in high use hours so perhaps the number of hours comes into play but I don't recall changing the old bulbs this often even in the areas with the most use. The saving on the power bill has been noticed though.
A friend had a ceiling fixture (4 bulb) that need to be changed frequently. when they got a new fixture, bulb changes. I have some bulbs outside that just stay on. it has been less than 5 years and still going.
I have ceiling fans that use the intermediate base bulbs. When I finally found those in an LED i was elated except they crap out constantly. I don't even use the fans so I know it's not a vibration issue. Sometimes they will strobe like at a disco. Cheap ones, expensive ones, they all essentially fail. Also, if you listen to shortwave or have over the air TV, LED bulbs create a ton of interference.
I had a problem where the light kit on the fan needed a minimum load (wattage) in order to work. When I switched out the old LED lights more recently, they were too efficient and wouldn't even turn on. I'm not sure if that would be part of your problem. Try using a higher equivalent wattage. I switched from 40W equivalent to 60W equivalent and they worked fine.
I've never had one last as long as the manufacturer claims. I've taken then apart after they failed and the weak point appeared to be the connection from the circuit board to the light socket because the LEDs would light up if I powered the circuit board with 120v in isolation.
If they really did last that long then you'd stop buying them. They want you to keep buying bulbs so they'll manufacture a weak point somewhere. The actual LEDs will never die out so soon, so they're technically not lying.
Agree. In most cases it will be the internal supporting electronics (aka power supply) that fail, not the LED itself. Although saying that, I converted to all LED screw-in bulbs about 5 years ago using pretty much el-cheapo bulbs found at Costco and I have not yet had a single bulb fail. On top of that, many of the bulbs are inside enclosures, both indoors and outdoors and despite the bulbs not being specifically rated for enclosures not a single one has failed.
I have 4 canned halogen style lights in the kitchen. 60w. I replaced them with LED 60w equivalents, DAYLIGHT style. SUPER BRIGHT !!! 5000k I didnt know about the LUMENS = color. I moved them to the garage, PERFECT! Going back for 2700k-3000k dont look at the watts, look at the lumens !!
I replaced every screw-in bulb in the house 5 years ago with cheap LED bulbs from Costco and so far not a single bulb has failed. I believe most of them are Feit brand.
The cheaper LED bulbs can be sensitive to heat and surges. I had a relative that had bulbs going out every couple of months and when I took one apart I noticed the voltage regulator was bad. The LEDs still worked but they were designed for 94 Volts so the regulator was dropping the 120V to 94V until it gave out.
Enclosed fixtures. Of course! I kept wondering why the light in my shower kept going out after a few weeks. I just kinda threw in the first lightbulb I could find in the utility closet.
For one of our led dimmables, it dims normally, but if you have the switch fully up, it turns it off. You have to have it just a hair below fully open.
thanks for the info. Have a question - i replaced my kitchen high hat lamps with "new" color adjustable LED PAR 30 lamps (ecosmart 75W uses 9W). After playing with the different color settings we're trying out the 2700k. BUT my question is why are they running warm to the touch ? they are running in orignal to the house Lightolier cans - i can't find model ? any ideas or is this normal
Then there's Smart Features LEDs. Not the smartphone kind, but like Warm Dimming LEDs that get warmer as you dim them, or the 3 brightness LEDs so you can change the brightness with a standard switch.
What's a good 100 wat equivalent led for enclosed fixtures that is daylight? After a hour of differently wording question on google I starting to think I'm asking for the impossible lol
I think most LEDs have trouble with enclosed fixture. I have not tried these in enclosed fintures, but have used other 100W equivalents in enclosed fixture (kitchen) that only get used at a maximum of 5-hours/day. Heard these may be the best LEDs, PHILIPS Ultra Definition (no flicker & CRI 95) with E26 bases (North American standard) are available at 100W equivalent in Soft White (2,700°K & lower) or Bright White (5,000°K but appear somewhat bluer).
My big question is.. If fixture is rated for candelabra bulbs at 40 w each but I wanted to let you know much brighter bulbs… can I use LEDs that are 500 to 1000 lumens that are still lower wattage but rated for 60 to 100 watt replacements Ina 40 watt fixture?
They give nice light but heating is a major problem along with energy use. Do you atleast give high quality LEDs a try once-in-a-while? I can recommend the PHILIPS Ultra Definition series.
Not an electrician but my testing with a thermometer and enclosed fixture indicates that the typical fixture saying 60W is based on the amount of heat that a incandescent bulb of that wattage generates. The higher wattage, the hotter the bulb gets with incandescent. So I have put a 75W LED in a 60W max incandescent because the LED was about 40+ degrees cooler, I think.
The brandname of the LED bulbs shown in this video have been blocked off but I know exactly what brand those are. I bought a pack of 16 of those from Home Depot a few years ago and I have had over an 80% failure rate on them. On average, I’m getting between 1 1/2 and two years before total failure. I’ve even had some known brands like General electric and Sylvania (with OSRAM drivers) and they have failed prematurely but they were the early iterations of LED bulbs. Nevertheless, I feel like the compact fluorescent bulb was the best and it lasted a hell of a lot longer than LED bulbs, I still have a few of them installed in light fixtures in my house. LED bulbs do use a significantly less power draw than the incandescent equivalent and they output less heat. I do see a difference in the power bill since switching to LED but the longevity of product itself has eaten through some of the savings.
I find that the early version of the Home Depot brand was not that reliable a few years ago. I had a habit of keeping the receipt and writing down the purchase date on the base of the bulb, so I could return it when it failed. But they have gotten much more reliable these days. I suggest you buy a new set and se how they work for you.
"On average, I’m getting between 1 1/2 and two years before total failure." about the same as an incandescent bulb. There's an incandescent bulb that's been working for over 100 years. They could make incandescents last much, much longer if they wanted to. But they don't. They don't want you to spend less on light bulbs, they want you to spend more. Hence LED's and the retard dipshit propaganda that you save money by using them.
@@screaminscott " I suggest you buy a new set " of incandescent bulbs because only propaganda victims believe the lie that led are somehow cost effective.
@@oldtwinsna8347 I like to use incandescent 60 watt bulbs for my bed lamps in the winter, I can feel the heat emanating off of the bulb from a decent distance. I switch them with LED come warmer weather
What are some of the cons? I'm interested. The only one I can think of off hand, are the purpose built fixtures with the custom lights sealed in. When they burn out, you have to replace to whole fixture, and many of those have to be cut in to the ceiling. You know the new ones will be a different shape/size.
CONS - First, they don't dim-to-warm like incandescents do. Ever dim an incandescent bulb to a color temperature that resembles candle-light and had a romantic dinner with your significant other? Second, most of them have a poor color rendering index (CRI.) For example, if you use them for under cabinet lighting your meat will look green and your apples won't look red. Third, a lot of the LED bulbs on the market are crap and they won't last. Fourth, I recommend you read up on "blue light" and it's negative effects on circadian rhythm. Fifth, the ones that dim can often times flicker, and will dim down to only 10% if you're lucky, even if you use an "approved" compatible dimmer, which can cost $30-$50 by the way. Sixth, many LED bulbs on the market only have a "1/2 dome" of LED's so if you use them in your grandmother's table lamps, the top half of the shade will be lit and the bottom half will be dark. LEDs have obvious advantages, but they are by no means a silver bullet. I use LED's in my house for the general lighting, garage shop lighting, and outdoor lighting. I use incandescent for the more intimate settings such as the bedrooms and living room.
@@eskieguy9355 This is true, I had 8 LED downlights in my kitchen and when one of them burnt out prematurely, they were no longer available on the market so I wound up replacing all 8 of them. This cost me over $1,000 and I did the work myself.
@@j.c.5480 Years ago I changed all bulbs in my home to LEDs but later I learned that they create harmful dirty electricity and blue light so now I only use incandescents because I rather use safer bulbs than save on utility bill.
"Longevity, they can be 5, 10 , 15 years", or six weeks all depending on how bad the drivers are. I love LED bulbs. I was a slow adopter after being hoodwinked by the truly awful corkscrew fluorescent fad. However, whenever lifespan is mentioned, I cry bullshit. They are so poorly made that it is Russian Roulette how long they will last. My experience is that if they last a month, they will probably last a really long time. My failure rate in the first month is probably around 30%. Remember, the Chinese did not invent the cold solder joint, but they sure did perfect it.
An led compatible dimmer. Who knew? I guess we were just lucky! And what started as dismal reliability has become mediocre reliability - on the way to reliable.
Most LED bulbs on the market are rated at 50,000 hours. If they are used 8-10 hours a day, 365 days a year that might be 15 years. Keep In mind that "rated life" of a light bulb is not the minimum life, it is an average life. So if you buy 10 LED bulbs, after 50,000 hours half of them will have burned out. Some of them will burn out before, and some of them will burn out after 50,000 hours.
All my bulbs downstairs but 2 are led. Those 20 leds are about 120 watts combined. The other 2 are 60 watt Edison style bulbs. Those 2 bulbs are using the same amount of power as all the led bulbs. I can hardly justify the energy I'd personally use to wander around the house like my dad did back in the day saying "who always leave these lights on" and turning them off... 🤣🤣🤣
The yellower LED's have a little bit less "blue light" and yes it does help preserve your body's melatonin cycle a little bit however, a cup of coffee with dinner or sugar in your ice cream before bed has more of an effect on your sleep. You can read all about this online with public information posted by Rensallear Polytechnic University, the world's leading research center regarding LED light and circadian rhythm.
My problem with LED lights in certain situations is that so called "dimmable" LED's are only partially dimmable. There is a big difference between an incandescent, e.g., a quartz-halogen, on a dimmer where the illumination can smoothly be adjusted between zero and full illumination. LED's can't do that. If they are on and you start dimming them they will reduce in illumination up to a point and then start flickering and then just go out before reaching no light output. Even worse, no two LED lamps, even of the same manufacturer and model, will turn off at the same point in the scenario I described. That is not the effect I want in either general room illumination and particularly not in my home theater.
Wouldn't be efficient if you want to operate under 5% of brightness. I suggest using two types of lightning (used in cinemas as well) - lighting the room, and "guidance" light during the movie watching, if that is what you looking for. Honestly cant' find a use of ultra low light output outside of this use case...
Try to find light fixtures that have purple & gray 10V low-voltage dimming leads. ( Slowly changing over to pink and gray.) With the right dimmer they will dim smoother and with less or no flicker. Find the right stuff, and you can dim down to 1% brightness. The situation where the lights don't dim evenly and turn off separately is called a "popcorn effect" - and it works the other way around as well when starting at 0 and slowly putting them on. Once again, buy higher-end stuff and you will not have this problem.
These lightbulbs fail pretty soon. They all seem to have overheating issues, which causes the electronics to fail, especially in fixtures that don't allow for good airflow. The best idea is always to get an LED fixture, better if it has a separate controller, which has a good thermal dissipation and doesn't burn in a couple years or so
Good quality ones last! I was renting a house in 2017 and replaced all the lightbulbs with LEDs. Took them with me when I left. They’re still working great!
Well that's easy. First, they don't dim-to-warm like incandescents do. Second, most if them have a poor color rendering index (CRI.) Third, a lot of the LED bulbs on the market are crap and they won't last. Fourth, I recommend you read up on "blue light" and it's negative effects on circadian rhythm. Time to put away my pipe and slippers LOL
They're also extremely fragile on poor power grids in old homes. A place I stay currently gets surges when the ac kicks on. I had to switch back to incandescent bulbs during the summer because my nice new LEDS all died within a month of putting them in. Plus, your budget option LEDs have very poor heat dissipation ability due to a lack of heat sink built into the bulbs.
guess what kind of bulbs you don't need a degree in engineering and a course on bulb placement to get the full lifespan out of? incandescent bulbs. LED bulbs are for morons.
If you ever have an LED bulb stay on after the light switch is turned off. Try replacing the LED bulb first. They can feed from the neutral especially if the switch is wired on the neutral side. Not an electrician it took me a lot of work and time to figure out what was happening. I have had many LED bulbs go bad that I purchased on Amazon. The Walmart brands are working longer for me. If you are older and getting cataracts(eye) the 5k high lumen will work better for you.
Longevity? Not always. LED's are fragile and don't take well to vibration. The bulb you get from the store may be doomed to an early demise. Dimmable bulbs have varying results. The hue may not stay a true white or yellow.
Years ago I bought LED bulbs for my home to save electricity but after that I learned that LEDs create harmful dirty electricity and blue light so I threw them away and I only use incandescents now because I rather use safer bulbs than save electricity.
Frankly I have nothing good to say on LEDs. They give me headaches and burn the eyes, they're flipping expensive...far more than if I paid a carbon tax in incandescent bulbs, they last a fraction of the time they claim which makes them that much more expensive, there is terrible shadowing in most homes and is not compatible with many paint colours which then worsens the shadowing (which is hard on the eyes),... Pardon me, the only good thing - they don't emit heat for Christmas bulbs so it's safer.
I wish we could uninvent these damned things... soft white doesn't put out any damned light at all if you have a cover or shade for it... It's almost as gross as fluorescents
I hate LEDs too! LEDs have poor color rendering and because their light is directional and not uniform, soft white LEDs just don't compare to true soft white incandescent bulbs.
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Well all know the brand.. we all recognize the box.. its a HomeCheapto brand. STAY AWAY. Enough said. I get service calls by the handfull so i can come in after some bozo flips a house just 2months later and replace all these bulbs. Actually… I guess i can’t complain :) keep em coming!
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The longevity claims for these Led bulbs is a bunch of bull. I've been changing out these bulbs almost as often a incandescent bulbs. Considering the high initial cost you may not be saving that much. However the less heat factor is a plus.
We just replaced all the old fluorescent lights in our garage with LEDs, and wow that really made a huge difference in there. It’s really bright in there now and they’ll use much less energy. Definitely an upgrade that’s been long overdue. Plus the LED fixtures weigh a lot less. Less than a pound per fixture instead of 5 or 6 pounds per fixture.
The heat thing caught me up a few years ago. One major difference is that the circuits in LED bulbs really only work in a pretty limited temperature range (they're actually circuits; all LEDs flicker, it's just the circuits make them flicker faster than the human eye can perceive). The problem is, incandescent lights put out more heat than an LED can tolerate, so you can't put them together in the same fixture.
low quality leds will flicker as they use pwm for dimming, but constant current bulbs will actually vary the voltage to reduce the brightness. this does mean the higher quality leds will burn out quicker since they’re always on whereas pwm bulbs are effectively on for less time.
Look out for the fixtures that have built-in LED's, they don't last forever and when they go out, you'll need to replace the whole shebang.
The built-in LEDs are awful. My boyfriend is an electrician and hates them. The regular LEDs that you can replace are fine.
Thank you for this video. We are using the wrong bulb for our enclosed dining room light. It got so hot the bulb stopped working after a short period of time.
I’m a master electrician and everything y’all say is true well done 👍🏻
Can you please tell me, can I put an led light bulb in a lamp from the 70's?
@@staceym9163Yes.
@@staceym9163yes, as long as the socket is of the same type. The E26 (Edison - one of the inventors of electricity distribution) in North Amerian is so common you probably will not even have to check.
We use this same brand LED rated for enclosed fixtures in our apt complex and we spend a fortune replacing them all the time. They do not last anywhere near what is advertised. I think they are a slam dunk on that big of a scale for savings if we didn’t have to replace them all the time.
Same experience here too. Many brands tested and they are far under the incandescent lifespan. I have the feeling that these led bulbs are underengineered. Lack of cooling and overdriving of the led's are a sure path to death.
Yup. Cheap led bulbs don’t last. You need to spend cash for good ones. But then, the “savings “ is lost. I’ve yet to see a savings on my electric bill and I changed my entire store to led. $5k and I see maybe $30 a month and it’s actually darker.
Fact: Light bulbs are engineered to fail so you have to buy replacements. The first incandescent light bulb still works today.
I would save the dead LED bulbs and try to repair it if you have the right equipment..
@Hardware John this is great advise thank you!!
Very interesting informative, i have been using led bulbs for years
They look like the ones bought at home depo . The hard plastic gets Very hot 🔥 making me feel unsafe .
Thanks for the nice video .
i have gotten many of the same they have on the table have had some still going and some work for maybe a month of very light use, here is to hoping for better QC
This was so helpful and easy to watch and follow along, thank you so much for this great info!! Y'all rock!
I have three CFLs left to change out. They're in the closet and get little use so I'm waiting for them to stop working! I love the 100w equivalents in my shop and on the porch lights
HI TOH , I love these led energy saving light bulbs that they make , especially with the price of everything going up , thanks for showing us heath & kevin ! 😊🛠
Be nice if they would come down in price.
The amount of heat put out by incandescent bulbs is tremendous. After switching to LEDs in our bathroom we found that the mirrors were foggy after bathing. That's because the previous incandescents were putting out SO MUCH HEAT that they kept the humidity down.
The end of the easy bake oven
Ironically, the only place an LED will probably never be replaced is inside an oven, because it is just too hot!
There are some truly unlucky people here because everywhere I could put them, I've gone LED and and count on 1 hand how many have failed over the years. No flickering, no weird nothing they just work and for areas like the porch or garage side, having one on for a good part of the evening means alot less money than an old heat bulb. I've gotten good at knowing which temperature is best suited for which kind of environment because are the gentleman said, the 5000Ks and up don't work very well in dining or living rooms (unless you like that kind of office like environment).
They last longer. They give off less heat. They use alot less electricity - it's really a no brainier. On top of that, they will still work after dropped - for a butterfingers like me, a blessing.
I see alot of comments about leds not lasting as long as advertised. Generally, the name brand bulbs (GE, Philips, Sylvania, etc.) perform better than the cheap ones. They cost a little more, but should last much longer. Also, name brands usually have a 3-5 year warranty. Nobody really uses it, but if you look on the box, they actually do have it. At least if it does fail, you can get a free replacement.
Alot of the newer "smart" leds have all kinds of features now. You can make them change colors, control them with your phone, set them on timers, control with Alexa, run routines (like turn on garage light if garage door opens), and all kinds of stuff. Then there are also the "vintage" style leds, like the one he picked up at the 2:30 mark. Those kind of mimic incandescent filaments, but you still get the energy savings. Kind of the best of both worlds for people who prefer glass bulbs.
"They cost a little more, but should last much longer."
Bullshit. if you get the same lifespan as a regular light bulb then you're lucky. They never last long enough to justify the expense. LED bulbs are complete garbage,
" Also, name brands usually have a 3-5 year warranty."
Another plus for regular lightbulbs- they don't promise replacement under conditions that will never happen (keeping the receipt for every light bulb you buy for five years).
@@jimbeam-ru1my ... dude, you are arguing about this in 2023? It's been proven many times over that LEDs last much longer than incandescent and use a fraction of the energy. It's not worth arguing. What I was saying is stick to the name brands because they have better quality than the cheap ones.
As for the warranty... well, that's how warranties work. Nowdays everything is electronic, so there is a chance you can pull up a receipt if you try. Not saying it's necessarily worth the effort, but it's usually possible. Personally I wouldn't bother unless it was one of those fancy smart bulbs or something. But I still don't see how you think having a warranty is some kind of negative.
Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you to switch to LED. If you insist on clinging to the past, go right ahead. Enjoy your incandescents.
I could care less what LED's can possibly do theoretically. In practice, they suck. They are just a con to get the consumer to pay more money for light bulbs. I've got a box of LED's that advertise a lifespan of 18 years. In practice they go about 6 months. That's the difference between theory and reality, so it's no wonder that you would use theory rather than reality to defend LED.
The bottom line is you will pay more overall to light your house with LED than incandescent bulbs.
@1:31: Kevin repeated the common misconception that higher color temperature (bluer) = brighter, and Heath just agreed.
A more in-depth discussion of LED CRI (Color Rendering Index) would be appreciated. It seems that the bulbs that can adjust color can also (at least in some models) really screw up the color of other things in the room, and even fixed color temperature bulbs can have very different CRI between different manufacturers. When I remodeled my house I carefully looked at paint samples in both daylight and 2700° LED light at night, and specified 2700° LED lights for the room, but the electrician installed a different brand, with a different CRI, and the paint looked terrible until I switched to the original brand of LED that I used for my tests.
CRI 70 makes everything look bleak and desaturated, 80 is more or less natural and 90 is just impressive but hard to get. as many independent tests show, some manufacturers lie about their CRI that is why you noticed the difference between the brands, the one your electrician installed probably had fake numbers.
@@freddyfriend5462 CRI of 100 is readily available, with incandescent/halogen 😂
@@mrceolla incadecadent bulbs do flicker. ...and other cons.
@@freddyfriend5462 not unless something is seriously wrong with your electricity! The filament can't cool down fast enough. Florescent and LED products are much more prone to flicker problems. In fact some LEDs flash fast by design, and we're talking full on to full off. The cons topic is complicated so I won't get into that here
@@mrceolla you can check flickering yourself using a video camera
Maybe it is just in my head but I honestly feel like I change bulbs more often now with all LEDs. I started writing the dates on the bases and nearly every time I change the bulb I realize it made it roughly 2.5 years. My next step is to actually keep a spreadsheet to confirm this but I haven't changed one before the 2 year mark and I've yet to discover one that lasted longer than 3 years. These are all in high use hours so perhaps the number of hours comes into play but I don't recall changing the old bulbs this often even in the areas with the most use. The saving on the power bill has been noticed though.
It's called planned obsolescence. Look up Dubai Lamps.
I think Technology Connections touched on this in an episode on led light fixtures. It’s about having the right bulb for the job.
A friend had a ceiling fixture (4 bulb) that need to be changed frequently. when they got a new fixture, bulb changes.
I have some bulbs outside that just stay on. it has been less than 5 years and still going.
I’ve never had to replace one, oldest is probably six years now
They defiantly do not last as long as the box says. I also changed one fixture back to the old style bulb because of the flicker.
Thank you!
I have ceiling fans that use the intermediate base bulbs. When I finally found those in an LED i was elated except they crap out constantly. I don't even use the fans so I know it's not a vibration issue. Sometimes they will strobe like at a disco. Cheap ones, expensive ones, they all essentially fail.
Also, if you listen to shortwave or have over the air TV, LED bulbs create a ton of interference.
I had a problem where the light kit on the fan needed a minimum load (wattage) in order to work. When I switched out the old LED lights more recently, they were too efficient and wouldn't even turn on. I'm not sure if that would be part of your problem. Try using a higher equivalent wattage. I switched from 40W equivalent to 60W equivalent and they worked fine.
@@screaminscott Thanks - I'll try it.
They defiantly do not last as long as the box says. I also changed one fixture back to the old style bulb because of the flicker.
Regarding flicker, have you tried any PHILIPS Ultra Definition bulbs? They also have a near true colour with a CRI of 95.
Awesome info, thank you.
Can you tell us what brand these LED bulbs are? Thanks!
I've never had one last as long as the manufacturer claims. I've taken then apart after they failed and the weak point appeared to be the connection from the circuit board to the light socket because the LEDs would light up if I powered the circuit board with 120v in isolation.
If they really did last that long then you'd stop buying them. They want you to keep buying bulbs so they'll manufacture a weak point somewhere. The actual LEDs will never die out so soon, so they're technically not lying.
Agree. In most cases it will be the internal supporting electronics (aka power supply) that fail, not the LED itself. Although saying that, I converted to all LED screw-in bulbs about 5 years ago using pretty much el-cheapo bulbs found at Costco and I have not yet had a single bulb fail. On top of that, many of the bulbs are inside enclosures, both indoors and outdoors and despite the bulbs not being specifically rated for enclosures not a single one has failed.
@@j.c.5480 What ever was on sale at Home Depot. My experience with cfl bulbs has been much better.
I have 4 canned halogen style lights in the kitchen. 60w. I replaced them with LED 60w equivalents, DAYLIGHT style. SUPER BRIGHT !!! 5000k I didnt know about the LUMENS = color. I moved them to the garage, PERFECT! Going back for 2700k-3000k dont look at the watts, look at the lumens !!
Some of the LED's I have bought went out after a few months which was quite disappointing.
I agree! I've had the same experience. The CFLs lasted a very long time compared to these LEDs.
Same. Disappointed too.
some of these lights are cheaply made and cause some issues with lifespan.
I replaced every screw-in bulb in the house 5 years ago with cheap LED bulbs from Costco and so far not a single bulb has failed. I believe most of them are Feit brand.
The cheaper LED bulbs can be sensitive to heat and surges. I had a relative that had bulbs going out every couple of months and when I took one apart I noticed the voltage regulator was bad. The LEDs still worked but they were designed for 94 Volts so the regulator was dropping the 120V to 94V until it gave out.
Enclosed fixtures. Of course! I kept wondering why the light in my shower kept going out after a few weeks. I just kinda threw in the first lightbulb I could find in the utility closet.
I have one outside that burns 24/7 for probably 15 years now.
I got a first gen led bulb running 24/7 as well. It’s definitely dimmer than it once was but it’s still going strong
For one of our led dimmables, it dims normally, but if you have the switch fully up, it turns it off. You have to have it just a hair below fully open.
bulbs have gotten better now. try a new bulb. i had the same issue. thought it was the switch
I'm waiting (and waiting) for some of my CFL's to die so I can use add more LEDs.
thanks for the info. Have a question - i replaced my kitchen high hat lamps with "new" color adjustable LED PAR 30 lamps (ecosmart 75W uses 9W). After playing with the different color settings we're trying out the 2700k. BUT my question is why are they running warm to the touch ? they are running in orignal to the house Lightolier cans - i can't find model ? any ideas or is this normal
Then there's Smart Features LEDs. Not the smartphone kind, but like Warm Dimming LEDs that get warmer as you dim them, or the 3 brightness LEDs so you can change the brightness with a standard switch.
LED bulbs is all I use now
this is me 4 years ago before I realize led's are a con.
What's a good 100 wat equivalent led for enclosed fixtures that is daylight? After a hour of differently wording question on google I starting to think I'm asking for the impossible lol
I think most LEDs have trouble with enclosed fixture.
I have not tried these in enclosed fintures, but have used other 100W equivalents in enclosed fixture (kitchen) that only get used at a maximum of 5-hours/day.
Heard these may be the best LEDs, PHILIPS Ultra Definition (no flicker & CRI 95) with E26 bases (North American standard) are available at 100W equivalent in Soft White (2,700°K & lower) or Bright White (5,000°K but appear somewhat bluer).
Lutron Maestros are the best dimmers to install!
My big question is.. If fixture is rated for candelabra bulbs at 40 w each but I wanted to let you know much brighter bulbs… can I use LEDs that are 500 to 1000 lumens that are still lower wattage but rated for 60 to 100 watt replacements Ina 40 watt fixture?
Yes.
Still use incondesents, have a lifetime supply.
They give nice light but heating is a major problem along with energy use.
Do you atleast give high quality LEDs a try once-in-a-while? I can recommend the PHILIPS Ultra Definition series.
When the bulb says 40 Watts but only uses 5.7 Watts which of those numbers do you use to match on the fixture that states the maximum wattage of it
Not an electrician but my testing with a thermometer and enclosed fixture indicates that the typical fixture saying 60W is based on the amount of heat that a incandescent bulb of that wattage generates. The higher wattage, the hotter the bulb gets with incandescent.
So I have put a 75W LED in a 60W max incandescent because the LED was about 40+ degrees cooler, I think.
You can use LEDs in any fixture except oven and dryer.
Interesting how you didn't even mention color rendering index (CRI) of these common cheap LEDs. I wonder why...🤔
Likely they don' have one, CRI that is, as it probably varies from batch to batch 🥸
What would be the best bulb to use inside small biltong box.
Do you need a ballast to be able to use those LED bulbs?
No.
The brandname of the LED bulbs shown in this video have been blocked off but I know exactly what brand those are. I bought a pack of 16 of those from Home Depot a few years ago and I have had over an 80% failure rate on them. On average, I’m getting between 1 1/2 and two years before total failure. I’ve even had some known brands like General electric and Sylvania (with OSRAM drivers) and they have failed prematurely but they were the early iterations of LED bulbs.
Nevertheless, I feel like the compact fluorescent bulb was the best and it lasted a hell of a lot longer than LED bulbs, I still have a few of them installed in light fixtures in my house.
LED bulbs do use a significantly less power draw than the incandescent equivalent and they output less heat. I do see a difference in the power bill since switching to LED but the longevity of product itself has eaten through some of the savings.
I find that the early version of the Home Depot brand was not that reliable a few years ago. I had a habit of keeping the receipt and writing down the purchase date on the base of the bulb, so I could return it when it failed.
But they have gotten much more reliable these days. I suggest you buy a new set and se how they work for you.
"On average, I’m getting between 1 1/2 and two years before total failure."
about the same as an incandescent bulb. There's an incandescent bulb that's been working for over 100 years. They could make incandescents last much, much longer if they wanted to. But they don't. They don't want you to spend less on light bulbs, they want you to spend more. Hence LED's and the retard dipshit propaganda that you save money by using them.
@@screaminscott " I suggest you buy a new set "
of incandescent bulbs because only propaganda victims believe the lie that led are somehow cost effective.
Could you do an episode on bathroom LED bulbs 💡? Please & thank you
I miss those incandescents. You never cared when they went out because they were like $0.25.
LEDS are about $1 but the savings dramatically outweigh the upfront cost
It would be sacrilege to use them now. I favour the Philips brand when it comes to lighting but there are specialist brands as well.
@@bitTorrenter I still them use for closet and other fixtures rarely turned on. The infrequent use will never pay off the cost differential.
@@oldtwinsna8347 I like to use incandescent 60 watt bulbs for my bed lamps in the winter, I can feel the heat emanating off of the bulb from a decent distance. I switch them with LED come warmer weather
That partly depends on how hard they are to change. If you have to go 10 feet up a ladder you might spend a little more for the bulb.
Energy usage is down, yet electricity bill is going up.
Yeah, you likely reach the minimum usage level and your utility company have increased the base connection fee.
Why not talk about some of the cons that can be associated with LEDs?
Forbidden.
What are some of the cons? I'm interested. The only one I can think of off hand, are the purpose built fixtures with the custom lights sealed in. When they burn out, you have to replace to whole fixture, and many of those have to be cut in to the ceiling. You know the new ones will be a different shape/size.
CONS - First, they don't dim-to-warm like incandescents do. Ever dim an incandescent bulb to a color temperature that resembles candle-light and had a romantic dinner with your significant other? Second, most of them have a poor color rendering index (CRI.) For example, if you use them for under cabinet lighting your meat will look green and your apples won't look red. Third, a lot of the LED bulbs on the market are crap and they won't last. Fourth, I recommend you read up on "blue light" and it's negative effects on circadian rhythm. Fifth, the ones that dim can often times flicker, and will dim down to only 10% if you're lucky, even if you use an "approved" compatible dimmer, which can cost $30-$50 by the way. Sixth, many LED bulbs on the market only have a "1/2 dome" of LED's so if you use them in your grandmother's table lamps, the top half of the shade will be lit and the bottom half will be dark. LEDs have obvious advantages, but they are by no means a silver bullet. I use LED's in my house for the general lighting, garage shop lighting, and outdoor lighting. I use incandescent for the more intimate settings such as the bedrooms and living room.
@@eskieguy9355 This is true, I had 8 LED downlights in my kitchen and when one of them burnt out prematurely, they were no longer available on the market so I wound up replacing all 8 of them. This cost me over $1,000 and I did the work myself.
@@j.c.5480 Years ago I changed all bulbs in my home to LEDs but later I learned that they create harmful dirty electricity and blue light so now I only use incandescents because I rather use safer bulbs than save on utility bill.
What type of light bulb can be used in a southern house, summer hot attic? We were told LED will not work? What's the truth? Thanks
No. You should get better results with LED bulb as they are less likely to add to the heat build up.
"Longevity, they can be 5, 10 , 15 years", or six weeks all depending on how bad the drivers are. I love LED bulbs. I was a slow adopter after being hoodwinked by the truly awful corkscrew fluorescent fad. However, whenever lifespan is mentioned, I cry bullshit. They are so poorly made that it is Russian Roulette how long they will last. My experience is that if they last a month, they will probably last a really long time. My failure rate in the first month is probably around 30%. Remember, the Chinese did not invent the cold solder joint, but they sure did perfect it.
An led compatible dimmer. Who knew? I guess we were just lucky! And what started as dismal reliability has become mediocre reliability - on the way to reliable.
What bulbs do you have that ladt 15 years?
Most LED bulbs on the market are rated at 50,000 hours. If they are used 8-10 hours a day, 365 days a year that might be 15 years. Keep In mind that "rated life" of a light bulb is not the minimum life, it is an average life. So if you buy 10 LED bulbs, after 50,000 hours half of them will have burned out. Some of them will burn out before, and some of them will burn out after 50,000 hours.
All my bulbs downstairs but 2 are led. Those 20 leds are about 120 watts combined.
The other 2 are 60 watt Edison style bulbs. Those 2 bulbs are using the same amount of power as all the led bulbs.
I can hardly justify the energy I'd personally use to wander around the house like my dad did back in the day saying "who always leave these lights on" and turning them off... 🤣🤣🤣
Why not replace them with Edison style LED bulbs?
@@shanereynolds5971 at some point I will. The fixtures came with the bulbs, when they die I'll replace them with led.
They should just name the 2700K bulbs to orange, instead of soft white.
LEDs look nothing like soft white incandescent bulbs, because they don't render colors as well.
So the yellow color LED’s are best for to preserve your body’s melatonin cycle ?
No. You have to special ones from BIOS lighting.
The yellower LED's have a little bit less "blue light" and yes it does help preserve your body's melatonin cycle a little bit however, a cup of coffee with dinner or sugar in your ice cream before bed has more of an effect on your sleep. You can read all about this online with public information posted by Rensallear Polytechnic University, the world's leading research center regarding LED light and circadian rhythm.
I think the longevity argument is totally BS. I have had so many LED bulbs fail way before expectation.
same
Car lighting too. And those LED replacements are usually super expensive.
@@oldtwinsna8347 YES!! I see cars with one LED headlight burned out every single day now. LEDs are just overpriced, cheaply made junk.
Most of ours last a few years, but still had some depending on brand die after just a few months,but we use 5k in every fixture,hate yellow lights lol
15 years lol. I already changed 10 led bulbs this year that were only 2 years old.
My problem with LED lights in certain situations is that so called "dimmable" LED's are only partially dimmable. There is a big difference between an incandescent, e.g., a quartz-halogen, on a dimmer where the illumination can smoothly be adjusted between zero and full illumination. LED's can't do that. If they are on and you start dimming them they will reduce in illumination up to a point and then start flickering and then just go out before reaching no light output. Even worse, no two LED lamps, even of the same manufacturer and model, will turn off at the same point in the scenario I described. That is not the effect I want in either general room illumination and particularly not in my home theater.
Wouldn't be efficient if you want to operate under 5% of brightness. I suggest using two types of lightning (used in cinemas as well) - lighting the room, and "guidance" light during the movie watching, if that is what you looking for. Honestly cant' find a use of ultra low light output outside of this use case...
Try to find light fixtures that have purple & gray 10V low-voltage dimming leads. ( Slowly changing over to pink and gray.) With the right dimmer they will dim smoother and with less or no flicker. Find the right stuff, and you can dim down to 1% brightness.
The situation where the lights don't dim evenly and turn off separately is called a "popcorn effect" - and it works the other way around as well when starting at 0 and slowly putting them on. Once again, buy higher-end stuff and you will not have this problem.
These lightbulbs fail pretty soon.
They all seem to have overheating issues, which causes the electronics to fail, especially in fixtures that don't allow for good airflow. The best idea is always to get an LED fixture, better if it has a separate controller, which has a good thermal dissipation and doesn't burn in a couple years or so
Good quality ones last! I was renting a house in 2017 and replaced all the lightbulbs with LEDs. Took them with me when I left. They’re still working great!
I thought glow light bulbs were forbidden ages ago? No wonder the world is coming to an end
LED, dimable fixtures much lower power use what's not to like!
Well that's easy. First, they don't dim-to-warm like incandescents do. Second, most if them have a poor color rendering index (CRI.) Third, a lot of the LED bulbs on the market are crap and they won't last. Fourth, I recommend you read up on "blue light" and it's negative effects on circadian rhythm. Time to put away my pipe and slippers LOL
LED circuits are extremely heat sensitive. People are careless and just throw them inside fixtures and then get mad when they break.
They're also extremely fragile on poor power grids in old homes. A place I stay currently gets surges when the ac kicks on. I had to switch back to incandescent bulbs during the summer because my nice new LEDS all died within a month of putting them in.
Plus, your budget option LEDs have very poor heat dissipation ability due to a lack of heat sink built into the bulbs.
guess what kind of bulbs you don't need a degree in engineering and a course on bulb placement to get the full lifespan out of? incandescent bulbs. LED bulbs are for morons.
Why are these dudes wearing the exact same shirt?
Nice one 😂😂😂
Hey google, Set living room lights to blue!
Just swapped out my front lights for 5k. Big difference from the 3k i had out there.
Incandescent lightbulbs are far better.
Yes they are much better!
in quality of light perhaps but LEDs are the logical replacement
I prefer torch light
If you ever have an LED bulb stay on after the light switch is turned off. Try replacing the LED bulb first. They can feed from the neutral especially if the switch is wired on the neutral side. Not an electrician it took me a lot of work and time to figure out what was happening.
I have had many LED bulbs go bad that I purchased on Amazon. The Walmart brands are working longer for me.
If you are older and getting cataracts(eye) the 5k high lumen will work better for you.
For an extra $1 you can get wifi RGB W bulbs, much better.
Longevity? Not always. LED's are fragile and don't take well to vibration. The bulb you get from the store may be doomed to an early demise.
Dimmable bulbs have varying results. The hue may not stay a true white or yellow.
Years ago I bought LED bulbs for my home to save electricity but after that I learned that LEDs create harmful dirty electricity and blue light so I threw them away and I only use incandescents now because I rather use safer bulbs than save electricity.
Frankly I have nothing good to say on LEDs. They give me headaches and burn the eyes, they're flipping expensive...far more than if I paid a carbon tax in incandescent bulbs, they last a fraction of the time they claim which makes them that much more expensive, there is terrible shadowing in most homes and is not compatible with many paint colours which then worsens the shadowing (which is hard on the eyes),... Pardon me, the only good thing - they don't emit heat for Christmas bulbs so it's safer.
I agree completely! LEDs are harsh, strain my eyes, and also give me headaches. We need to repeal the halogen/incandescent bulb ban.
these 2 look hungry
I wish we could uninvent these damned things... soft white doesn't put out any damned light at all if you have a cover or shade for it... It's almost as gross as fluorescents
I hate LEDs too! LEDs have poor color rendering and because their light is directional and not uniform, soft white LEDs just don't compare to true soft white incandescent bulbs.
Eco Smart bulbs are junk. Cree bulbs will last a very long time.
An energy efficient home or business is more comfortable and saves money in the long run.
Solar energy on your roof combined with battery storage can make people more independent from the grid and natural gas supplies. Add solar and supplemental electric heating or a heat pump for home or business heating..
All big box stores and manufacturing sites can support solar energy on their roofs or parking lots.
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Well all know the brand.. we all recognize the box.. its a HomeCheapto brand. STAY AWAY. Enough said. I get service calls by the handfull so i can come in after some bozo flips a house just 2months later and replace all these bulbs. Actually… I guess i can’t complain :) keep em coming!
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Thay may use less power but their light color output looks like crap and it's funny because they already have something better than led.
Try putting a led bulb in a oven.
The longevity claims for these Led bulbs is a bunch of bull. I've been changing out these bulbs almost as often a incandescent bulbs. Considering the high initial cost you may not be saving that much. However the less heat factor is a plus.