The lamps you're not allowed to have. Exploring the Dubai lamps
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- These fascinating lamps are a result of a collaboration between Philips Lighting and Sheikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum - the ruler of Dubai.
They are designed to be the most efficient available, matching high lumen output with very long life. Once you see the construction and circuitry you'll realise this isn't just marketing spin.
In return for the development Philips gained exclusive rights to manufacture the lamps for a fixed duration, extending from their announcement in 2016. Philips expect to have supplied 10 million of the lamps by the end of 2021.
There is a requirement for new installations to use the new lamp, which has upset some designers and architects, as they are only available in 8 forms. 3W and 2W globes, a 1W candle globe and a 3W MR16 12V downlight version. All four available in either cool daylight or warm white to make up the eight options. This restricts the style of the lamp shape and excludes warmer whites unless coloured by a shade. They're also not dimmable, which contributes greatly to their reliability, but does require a more open minded approach to lighting design.
The range also excludes the GU10 format, which isn't a bad thing as they're probably one of the least reliable lamps due to the use of electronics in a confined space with hot LEDs.
These lamps are currently only available in Dubai. The likelihood of them appearing elsewhere is limited by the fact that they are designed to last a long time, which isn't profitable for the manufacturers. Maybe that'll change over time.
Although Philips have initial exclusivity of supply, it'll be interesting to see what happens when that period of time comes to an end. Will the other manufacturers make the same amount of effort as Philips did?
Slight correction. The two MOSFET gate resistors are actually 4.7Mohm and not 470K, which makes sense for gate voltage protection.
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Imagine designing a reliable, efficient lamp, but then not being allowed to sell it everywhere...and potentially not going to anyway just because of the fact they can last longer.... what a world we live in.
And imagine that we also know this world's resources are limited and the environment is already severely damaged.
This is the kind of stuff that the government should crack down on if they truly cared about the environment, but they don't.
All hail the almighty dollar!
Tesla desiged a way for everyone to have free electricity...they destroyed the research & means.
planned obsolescence is a thing
Lesson learned: If you're rich enough, you can strong-arm international corporations not to screw you over.
spot on
More like- government can actually force better products for the people when corporations don't own all the politicians.
@@BReal-10EC that is dangerous thinking in today's age
Exactly. Imagine the amount of money/power involved in that arrangement enough to stop the program obsolescence bullshit that we live in.
@@SpicySpleen There's nothing dangerous about it unless you're the CEO trying to rip people off. I'm going to guess you're not a CEO or a shareholder though so what's the complaint exactly?
I bought a few of these in Dubai a few years ago and brought them back with me. I didn't realize how unique they were at the time, just that they looked good and were cheap. ---and they work perfectly.
what do you mean by cheap? they guy just said that they are expensive...
@@zeratul600read again
Who buys light bulbs on trips?
@@zeratul600 they are really cheap, around 3.8 usd per bulb.
@@ducatista1098s yeah, unless you know what they already are, why? seems fishy but eh
For those wondering they are marketed as "phillips ultra efficiency" in some places.
Yeah, that's true. These aren't exclusively to be sold in Dubai. And again, they seem to be a marketing gimmick than actually being ultra efficient. Poor power factor and too many lighting elements placed too closed to each other making their light to be blocked by each other reduces the efficiency. So they might be more efficient than regular ones, but not ultra efficient.😊
*Philips
Thanks, found them for €60 for 6 of them.
@cenchloraadums3143 They are at least very efficient: I changed all old LED lights with these new ones, and my watt consumption dropped by almost 2/3rd. At the same time it is much brighter, around 1/3rd. It all depends on what you have now it can be a nice little investment. Here I could buy them for 6 euro/6.50 dollar each, and they will pay themselves back in 2 to 4 years, depending on energy prices.
In Belgium they are called Phillips Green Label. They aren't run quite as cool as the ones pictured here. They only have about 50% more filaments than the normal while the dubai version has double.
I remember having a conversation with my brother about this a few weeks ago. When they forced the change from incandescent light bulbs into LED ones here in the states. The so called "first generation" (For the lack of a better term) of LED bulbs seemed to last forever. But as we replaced them over the years they seemed to have shorter and shorter lifespan to the point we now have to replace them more frequently than we had to replace the old ones. And it's so obvious they lasted too long for the amount of sales the companies wanted so they intentionally made them have a lot shorter lifespan.
Arizona would increase the system voltage from time to time. Lite bulbs burned out sooner during the summer
It is always capacitor that fails in these. The thing that is hard to replace.
When they forced the incandescent bulb change here in Australia, it was to flourescent bulbs- which started out as a pretty short life bulb but got better over time. LEDs started later on and 4× flouro price, they're still more expensive. All chinese and not very long lasting. I'm going 12v for lighting off solar and batteries soon, as 12v LEDs are cheaper and easier to get here plus seem to last longer.
@@derkchurk5879 problem is most bulbs if you want to have access to the electronics you have to destroy it since it's sealed for "safety reasons" (and also they don't want you to design it to access it easily to be able to change a part)
I bough my house about 4 years ago and all 4 Led's in the living room were installed at the same time from the same lot, from the same supplier.
The 4 bulbs all failed 2 years later within a 2 week period. (2 years is the warranty on the bulbs... coincidence, right).
Counter to that, I bought an expensive Philips Led about 8 years ago that is still working fine to this day.
Quality pays off for the consumer, but apparently not so much for the producer. Sad world.
It's incredibly frustrating seeing good technology intentionally held back like this.
Yeah, planned obsolescence should really be punished harder
@@SlaughteredDecay
-harder- _at all_
@@ParaSpite Exactly. Instead, planned obsolescence is forced by law - presidents can't make decisions that will not result in maximum profit for their shareholders, it's literally illegal in most countries ; so given a flawed product that sells more, or a good one that lasts forever, it's unfortunately not a choice decision-makers get to make... and us consumers end up paying for it.
I've had ceiling lamp that has built in led strips and all the other magical parts I think it is 22w with the 3 led strips, and it has lasted probably about 6 years now and still rocking hard.
Wasn't the cheapest one, but has probably saved me a lot of money in bulbs that I never had to buy.
They're saving cents to screw the world out of gigawatts of power efficiency gains. Going from 100lm/W to 200lm/w would be a big deal.
I don't know about other countries but this product finally made it to the italian market in the last weeks, Philips calls it "Classe A". The "40w 485 lumens" lamp draws 2.3w and it costs around 10€.
Quite expensive
if it draws 40watt why does it draw 2.3 watt?
@@noklarok 40w is the equivalent incandescent light bulb. It does draw 2.3w.
@@hbjigcc i got you thanks
"Edison bulbs" arrived with long lives in the first metal filaments, and then they realized what they'd done, and raised the voltage standard. There's a light bulb that was installed in a fire station I believe in New Jersey, that is still burning today, well over a hundred years later. The first "nylons" produced didn't wear out, but that was immediately changed.
Yes they held a birthday party for the bulb and the website upload every 15 second to take a picture of the bulb.
Company who made durable products will only sell their products once to each customer and then go bankrupt. Other company learn that fact very fast now we all has to keep buying products that will fail after their warranty period lapsed.
Edisons original light bulb is in the Henry Ford museum in Michigan. Still works. They have it hooked to a hand crank so you can wind it up
@@HolahkuTaigiTWFormosanDiplomat i bed it could be changed within that time. Also, they could put out 1 pic more times to get more time to change it. I cant believe ppl really believe this crap
Fire station in Livermore CA
This makes me wonder how many beneficial technologies are being kept from the world
I wonder this too.
I think one thing that can help me estimate an answer is to get to the bottom of a related curiosity of mine: why are companies incentivized to withold longer-lasting bulbs from the market? It seems companies do this, but I don't understand why doing so increases their profits.
If bulb B lasts 10 times as long as bulb A for the same quality of light, then why wouldn't a company sell bulb B for 9 times as much as bulb A? This is a deal for consumers --- a 10% sale off lifetime light costs! --- and would also increase profit for the company assuming a single bulb B costs less to manufacture and ship than 9 bulb As combined.
Are there cartel/coordination effects that overwhelm this incentive to sell efficient bulbs?
Well most of the Inventors of "beneficial technology" almost all suddenly disappear or found dead, and the discoveries are never brought up again.
That's basically what pharmaceutical companies do all day. Holding back cheaper, more efective and healthier medicine to get rich quick
One of the last technologies featured on a show called Tomorrow's World before it was cancelled was a spray on enamel for teeth. If released to the public I'm sure dentists would go out of business overnight.
What is there to wonder about? It's money, plain and simple. Bulbs/lamps that actually last 15,000 hours mean that consumers aren't buying as frequently, and the profit margins are thinner as well because they're using more materials and the price increase for the consumer isn't on the same scale.
Google search trends suddenly has a spike in searches for "dubai lamp" - I love it!
Someone needs to export these. I'd definitely pay international shipping to get my hands on these. The 80 CRI isn't ideal, but the power savings and lifespan are worth it.
@@PsRohrbaugh was thinking that when Corona do I'm going to holiday in Dubai and you know what I'm bringing back
Not sure you can actually get them here though but I please have a look at www.amazon.ae/Dubai-Lamp-Warm-White-3W/dp/B07N7125GV
@@PsRohrbaugh am I wrong in assuming they wont work in America due to 220 vs 110 and 50htz vs 60
@@crashoverride93637 depends on the conversion circuitry inside. 60 vs 50 hz is typically not a problem. 120 vs 240 might be, but American panels have 240v in them, and switching a circuit over to 240v isn't exactly difficult - although not necessarily up to code.
I'm very impressed with your reverse engineering of the lamp circuit. I've been reverse engineering circuits for about 60 years now and have a real appreciation for what you did. I was surprised that it wasn't a switching regulator, but that would be something prone to failure. I wondered about the "filaments" that they were many LEDs wired in series. If I recall, the junction voltage of an LED is about 1.65 volts, the last I can remember.
I remember seeing my first LED back in the late '60's as a replacement for pilot lamps, not very bright but used hardly any power.
I hope your schematic gets archived somewhere - got job - Jim
I wanted these when I saw this video a year ago. A couple of weeks ago I was pleased to see very similar lamps available in Germany and Switzerland. They have 8 and 12 filaments for 4 and 6 watts respectively. So they are running at 0.5 W per filament. Not quite as cool as these ones but still better than the bog standard ones.
they are also available in most stores in the US that sell light bulbs to such as Walmart, target, lowes, and home depot which was why i thought it was pretty odd for the title of this video to claim they are somehow prohibited or hard to get. when the only bulbs that are hard to find in the States now are the old and very un efficient filament bulbs which these days someone would be pretty dumb want to buy light bulbs that put out such low light for the amount of electricity they use and such short life span.
@@johnjames5712 the video is 2 years old when that wasn't true
@@johnjames5712 A US Philips 40W equivalent runs has half the filaments of the 40W equivalent in the video and runs at twice the wattage. Their other bulbs are just as bad.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br well, youtube allmigthy algorithm is now recommending it again :D
He's not saying these bulbs don't exist, they do, but the ones we get are usually the ones he shows with the fewer LED strips in them that run a lot current and burn out easily.
Classic. The bulb lifespan cartel never died!
The CFL always fail early. Lifespan is only about double of a incandescent.
It’s drugs these damn lights getting people all fucked up is a problem
Nope, in fact they have it back almost as bad as it was in the incandescent era. CFL bulbs tended to last longer, but still died in 5 or so years. My branded Phillips and Sylvania LED globes typically dropped dead within 2-3 years even at modest lumens. I actually replaced a bunch of my room lights with 8-LED usb sticks mounted in lamp adapters. 20 pack for $15 in warm white, pulls 2watts with 8 diodes even with the usb wall wart on my watt-o-meter. 4 years without a failure out of 8 used. The bulb cartel are purposely overrunning fewer led's for a given lumens, and giving them poorly made ballasts so they die timely.
I bought... some LED lamp for my bathroom and one of the LEDs in it kicked the bucket a while back, which was about... 3, maybe 4 years? Meanwhile the IKEA bulb I bought when I moved into my flat seven years ago is still around and just as bright.
@@liucyrus22 Double? Really?! oh well, maybe your CFLs come from a different China. Mine never lasted more than a year, at very moderate usage. And I still have some live incandescents installed around 2003 or 2004. I'm switching back to incandescents - for lesser maintenance.
To clarify: Phillips has an exclusivity deal *in Dubai.*
That means they're the only ones allowed to sell these kind of lamps in Dubai for the duration of the deal, making them the sole supplier whenever they're mandated.
*Phillips and others could still sell these kinds of lamps anywhere else in the world if they so desired.*
It's possible Dubai made the deal exclusive on their end to, as in if Phillips sells them elsewhere they lose the Dubai market.
@@danieljensen2626 I feel like that wouldn’t make much sense.
One would have to do a wee look see at who has financial interests In Phillips. ie who is on the board of directors! One may find the odd Arabic Blue Blood may just have some say in the matter because they're on the board so too speak.
"if they so desired." they will never have that desire unless competitors force them to list it. As it stands, we all happily replace our bulbs every other year, couple years, whatever. they have ZERO incentive to release technology would increase the life-span of these bulbs, and therefore reduce repeat customers, unless a third-party incentivizes it.
@@danieljensen2626 the Dubai market isn't THAT big to make it an issue.
Also, if the contract is only 5 years then repeat sales are unlikely....
Anyway, you would think an energy efficient Aircon would be more of a priority...
I have one of the little 1W ones here in the UK or something very very similar in a side lamp. It's always on, on an evening and has lasted almost 6 years now. It has 4 filaments
I remember when LED Bulbs first came out they were $20/each. My brother lives in Seattle Washington and they subsidized the LED bulbs so they only cost $4 each. I had my brother buy me a case of bulbs and ship them to me in Alabama. Saved myself a ton of money.
Love that they subsidize them here in Washington. I really like the warmer hues of LED bulbs and I've been installing them as my incandescent ones fail.
Oh Phillips could sell them everywhere, they just don’t want to.
yes
Do you know the details of the agreement between Phillips and Dubai? I don't. They may be enjoined from selling them elsewhere for the duration of the contract.
@@Arfonfree Obviously export by private individuals is not restricted though, it's just that Philips can't (or won't) sell them anywhere else. These lamps are not contraband outside of Dubai, so if you want to send a truckload of them across the border, customs are not going to stop you.
On the flip side, these lamps may just be stupidly more expensive than just having 3 or 4 cheap lamps and having them wear out.
Actually no they can't its in the law that they have to burn down.
All for economics.
@@padddy48 The law doesn't have anything to do with it, it's all about greed and profit margin: If they can sell more lamps each year and manufacture them for orders of magnitude cheaper, a company will do it. Because the circuit in this lamp is much more complicated, it means it's much more expensive to manufacture.
Dubai probably wanted to have these lamps for the exact reason: To get ahead of the curve in efficiency and fight climate change, as well as not having to spend thousands each year (in parts and labour) just to replace lamps.
Title: "The lamp you're not allowed to have."
Me: "I have never heard of these before today, and yet I have never wanted anything more in my life."
@@mr.g-sez This is an LED filament.. there is a big difference from incandescent filament bulbs.
@@mr.g-sez ???? why are you being do aggressive chill out man
Mr. G-sez Deleted their comment what did they say
@@codyyoung5946 Something about if I really had never seen a bulb like this because they're common or something
glad you havent met my wife , she'd rearange what you need in in life quite a bit
Here’s a couple of pointers to remember. Each 100n capacitor on the input will deliver 3.5mA in half-wave configuration . . . when the device you are powering drops a low voltage such as 12v. When it drops say 120v, the current will be 1.75mA. Add up the front-end capacitors and multiply by much (much) less than 1mA per 100n (in this case) and you will be able to work out what the circuit will deliver.
You can now get these bulbs - or something very comparable - from Philips in the UK. Initially the ones I found were all clear glass, E27 base and seemed to be cold or cool white, but I've started finding some B22 recently, frosted versions and warmer whites. Still no dimmable versons. I can see these being a great bulb for situations like garden lights that are left on all night, or hospitality where lobbys and halls are lit all night in hotels. Since they're not dimmable I can't use many of them around my house, but maybe that will change in the future.
I thought his was going to be some dangerous light bulb that could catch your house on fire. It actually turned out to be something that would beneficial to the entire world. Why can’t we get them everywhere? Efficiency is good.
The Company will get more Money from us/the customers if we are somewhat forced to buy new lamps if the old ones get bad
Greed. If it breaks sooner, you buy a new one sooner.
Good for consumers, bad for companies.
@@marthapozo4881 actually, companies that make good value products end up as long lasting leaders. But too many are short sighted or ruined by corporate profit taking.
Google planned obsolecsence. In the 1800 i think there even was a bulb cartel that decided the bulbs to last not more then 1000h. Today the sames goes on with led bulbs. (And of course everything else containing electronics like cars, kitchen machinery, consumer electronics -tv - audio devices - computer/printers ect.)
Now I really want some for my house, but I don't know if that's because they look high quality, or if it's just the fact that I'm not allowed to have them!
Anything forbidden is always more appealing
Yes.
probably 50/50 for me.
@@BrazenBob blame EU
The FORBIDDEN Dooby lampz.
I barely understand the technical parts of your videos, but for some reason, I watch them all the way through.
Thank you this channel was instrumental in my education so far.
Does anyone but me appreciate the extra thought and care taken to cut out the round shape of the circuit board pictures?
I noticed. I also noticed how perfectly round they were cut too!
He printed them on circular paper.
Can you make videos shorter ? Your video are interesting and Informative but 30 min videos are hard to download make 10 min videos at max
@@kingofmonsters7452 he offers detail that a 10 minute video won't cover
@@kingofmonsters7452 watch at x2 speed, he doesn't talk too quickly so it's still easily understandable.
Plus it means you then can watch another video in that time you've saved!
Yes, I do have a slight video-watching addiction 😁
Never thought I’d spend an hour searching for gray-market lightbulbs but here we are.
Some folks in Dubai ought to read these comments. I have paid my European friend to send me things before.
Like I say, if its illegal, you know that it must work really good 😂😂😂😂😂
@@joshua22267 Ya, like MEK...it's illegal to buy it, but you can weld any plastic together with it quite easily with no ugly seams. It's extremely useful, so it was banned. Go figure. I ended up paying like ~$80 for some grey market bottle of lab grade MEK. I definitely got rid of it though because it's illegal ;) *wink*
I’ve been doing this for years, since the EU banned the good old incandescent light bulb. I now buy them from China cheaper than ever.
@@LOLLYPOPPE In Poland you can still buy them in any DIY store. I mean they are officially not men't to be used at home, they are now called: shock resistant/specialized/workshop/traffic light bulbs.
Believe it or not, my father, 25 years ago, bought a non-branded Light bulb from some random chinese electrical shop and brought it back home and put it on our outdoor roof light, it was a very bright white lamp compared to other available lamp brand at that time. But what was so surprising was that single lamp lasted for more than 11 years, he bought it when i was probably 7, and when i come to collage that lamp still run and as bright as when it was new.
But the house got renovated and the lamp accidentally damaged in the process and we sadly can not bought it again or check which brand it was made from since it had nothing written on it nor in its packaging.
I remember seeing this from an Overseas Filipino Worker from Dubai staying here to install this on his home here in the Philippines.
Fun fact : this isn’t anything new but lamp makers entered an agreement as a cartel about a century back to produce very limited lifespan lights. Manufacturers producing bulbs with higher than agreed lifespan (in hours) were punished.
The Phoebus Cartel.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Hey, I watched a video on that!
yes that's a public secret
veritasium had video on this
funny how companies can come together to prevent reduced profits by unanimously scamming people, but are completely unable do that when it comes to the destruction of the planet.
I watched how a grown man talk about lamps like a sommelier about wine. 32 minutes...jesus
Welcome to Clive's channel.
Harnessing the power of the sun for as long as possible is generally considered more significant than the subtle differences between tastes of spoiled grape juice.
😅
He makes it interesting somehow.
He lost me at the perv factor, no wonder these bulbs aren't available everywhere.
I have 30x 5w GU10 lamps that I fitted in 2016. Not one has failed in 7 years. Really impressed and they were cheap Homebase branded at the time.
Thanks Clive for the videos. They are so interesting and educational. I would love to use their technique and yours to do this with Led bulbs for camping.
When I heard "Dubai Lamps" I thought it was some old technology being obscured by Big Light but it's a recent technology being obscured by Big Light.
Can't believe "Big Light" is even a thing.
@@HoloScope "Big Light" in the 1920s was called the Phoebus cartel:
spectrum.ieee.org/tech-history/dawn-of-electronics/the-great-lightbulb-conspiracy
@@HoloScope really makes one wonder what other Big are out there
@@HoloScope There is also Big Screw
@@yuriythebest Big data.
I find amusing how almost everyone knows about planned obsolescence and how can it be bad, but almost no one tries stuff to circumvent it.
What do you mean by "try stuff"? Taking them apart when they fail and trying to fix? I need an intro to electronics course first! 😟
Unfortunately, we've been convinced that fixing things at home are "hack fixes."
$10 bulb is planned obsolescence of your wallet.
I find amusing how almost everyone knows about planned obsolescence and how can it be bad, but as soon as you talk about it you are getting labeled as tin foil hat fetishist.
Well, no planed obsolescence, means less money so this is why companies don't "fix" that, also they try to shut down people that create good products so it will not harm their dirty business...
Super awesome video. Im a student and a member of ieee, and i want to make a led light project with lower than spec amperage, to make ultra-efficient light fixtures. Thank you for the inspiration.
You are probably aware of this, but on the efixx channel very recently they looked at several lamps and the Philips lamp is now available in the UK. They also have an efficiency that puts them in the A band of the new energy rating scheme, whereas lamps of bargain basement makes now can have an efficiency half as much and would be rated F under the new scale.
Nope, count the filaments, look at wattage and light output. Still worlds apart.
They're only slightly better to get the new "A+" rating, and priced in such a way they're not loosing profit with the small increase in longevity.
The lamps that you were mentioning have double the LED strips as the older ones but they're still half the ones if you compare to the ones sold in dubai
TH-cam algorithm at 2:30am: "Hey, you wanna learn about LED lamps from Dubai?" me: "Heck yes I do!"
lol, 1am here, what can i say
lol 2:31 am when i read this comment
2:34 am when read that comments
@@devsati4311 Same here.
3:01 am
Damn I work at Philips and had no idea this even existed!
Look better or see my answer elsewhere. It will surprise you...
Compartmentalization - that's why u don't know.
You're just a number
@@KenyaSG no u
@@KenyaSG there's nothing wrong with being a number as long as they're putting numbers on your cheque.
My Dad did the same with a incandescent bulb. We have a very large 5' tall basement and he wanted to be able look under there from time to time. Leaks, animals, be able to store long term items and retrieve them and whatnot. so a 20w lamp he rigged to use 1/4 power and that ran for decades (before motion detectors). Was still working when we finally upgraded to motion detection LED lights.
Except reducing power of a filament also reduces its efficiency. So costs you more overall.
I don't understand all of this, but I enjoy the conversational descriptions and the diagrams.
Clive tore-down a lamp from Dubai
An item most people can't buy
With great light emittance
For mere power pittance
Sure wish I could give it a try
Brilliant!
Outstanding, lol!
Very well done,sir! Long time since i heard a great limerick!
😀👋
You have a great talent - bravo!
My crush: likes bad boys*
Me: "Wanna see the most illegal thing I own?"
Pre-pandemic, a friend and I used to do border trades of out-of-county Girl Scout Cookies, and I'd resell them at-cost, black-market, to the most vanilla people you can imagine, who'd just get a thrill that they were party to subversion.
(For those not in the know, in the States, GSA sells several cookie varieties this time of year, but you're only be able to buy and sell a subset of them in your own county. For example in California, Caramel Chocolate Chip and Lemonades are a hot commodity in LA county because you can't get 'em there, but you *can* get them in Orange county. The opposite holds for the uncoated variety of GS 'Smores, and Do-si-dos in LA county. Since sales are almost always community, out-of-county varieties are hard to get unless you're committed to finding kids selling them on the street thirty miles from your house. Most people aren't because, well, you know, it's creepy.
You'd be surprised how few people are willing to engage in border trades. GSA corporate frowns on the practice so much that any GS parent caught doing it will get their kid's charter revoked or their kid kicked out of the troop.)
@@michaelz6555 Wow... Just wow.
@@robertstewart4953 America: A supposed land of plenty that's ruled by kings and lieges of artificial scarcity.
@@ropersonline Well said Comrade. Where do we start?
@@robertstewart4953 Start what?
Spicy voltages...love that term. It's nice to see some devices manufactured to have long life versus being engineered to fail.
I flinched slightly when Clive touched the back of the two capacitors on the blown up picture.😅
So I guess it's not so much "Dubai" as it is "can't buy".
Nice...!
Lord of Puns
Lol
i see what you did there
Boom boom!
"I need an LED lamp please"
Salesman: _Puts LED lamp on the counter_
"No, you don't understand, I need a _real_ LED lamp" _Puts $20 on the counter_
Salesman: "Ah, I see!" _Puts Dubai lamp on the counter_
That should definitely be a Monty Python sketch
It’s called keep the capitalism in play for the rest of the indentured world.
BUT !!! why Dubai ??? not available in UK ??? Phillips advertising dept creating a market, a must have, a need, and when enough "need" a new market is created in UK with lots of pennies to the shareholders. Very similar to the Mullard valve/ Phillips tie up in the 50's. Ooops giving my age away ☺
the governments are lying to us and we will never see these in our stores
Governments? You mean companies, right?
I still have to catch up on Ohms but this video helped me immensely understanding electrical ciruits all the while covering an interesting paradox engineering feat.
Planned Obsolescence!!!
I'd like to see that label on everything. "Warning: this circuit board contains spicy voltages"
I worked a few years repairing automotive test equipment. An instructor when I first started said this about ignition coils... And in particular he was talking about GM's C3I or computer controlled ignition. "Guys... Back in the day of points and condensers and secondary voltages in the 12KV range, the old timers would lean across the fender with their pecker grounded and grab the coil wire to see if the coil was working... If they got an erection the coil was good. Then GM came out with their HEI (High Energy Ignition) in the 20-30 KV range and they found their erection wouldn't go down for a week. Now guys... With C3I do not use this coil test. Because, the 100KV spark will put you in the ground!" Yeah... 'spicy voltage' is a euphemism for healthy (aka deadly or at least respect deserving) doses of good ole EMF. Perhaps a warning that says "Do not perform a pecker test on this circuit!" :)-(:
@@scottdebruyn7038 I'm sorry what the fuck
@@scottdebruyn7038 bro what tf
@@karlobrutalo425 Sorry... That's what the instructor said. I thought it funny as hell and 30 years down the road it still reminds me not to get between 'spicy' voltages and ground! :)
@@scottdebruyn7038 🙄
Congratulations Mr BigClive! You've been 'mentioned in dispatches' in my industry mag, Electronics Weekly. In being forced to comply with EU law regarding getting their LED lamps an 'A' rating they have, basically, started supplying Dubai type lamps for the EU market albeit including, what looks like, any advancements in technology which have come along in the interim. Not surprisingly Phillips are turning this into a marketing opportunity when it should really be an apology!
There is an old firestation here in the US that has an Edison bulb that has been burning for over 100 years. It still works!
@@tonyv8925 yep although not very bright in comparison to contemporary bulbs.
@@tonyv8925 IIRC they've always ran it at a low voltage, that's one of the reasons to it's long life. It's similar to this leds, run things undervolted and they will last longer.
@@jagobabarron5501 they also try and not power/thermal cycle it as well. when things have to get hot then cool off. Stuff gets kind of prissy about expansion and contraction and bulbs don't like that
@@tonyv8925 Britain has a bulb that is still glowing after 130 years, dating from 1883.
The way you rolled the R for محمّد بن راشد المكتوم was perfect and I prefer that pronounciation lmao
Thanks for the detailed tear down and explanation.
who would have ever guessed we're all getting screwed on hot running junk bulbs. I could never have figured that out :))
Light bulbs have been that way for decades. Many original Edison bulbs are still running in museums today.
@@yehudagoldberg6400 ''Original'' LOL thanks for the laugh.
Use dimmable LEDs and add a dimmer switch to them.
@@dcculver2 no, use capacitor dropper and a double or triple switch (or whatever you want). Don't know if all lamps support this though. Typical values for caps are 0.1 uF for very dim light to 0.3 uF for medium brightness, the voltage over cap usually does not exceed 100VAC.
In the US you could buy 130v incandescent bulbs and they would last a decade if not longer. The filament was more substantial and could handle 130v. By running it on a standard 120v it wasn’t being worked as hard and therefore lasting longer. Any garage bulb or rough duty bulb was 130v because they could handle vibrations better too.
Having been in electronics for over 60 years, I found this video to be quite satisfying. Thank you for the time of production.
Tony V 👏😊🇬🇧..
That ruler of Dubai sounds like a very sensible guy. a deal where all your consumers get better products sounds great.
Too bad they can't get their sewage situation figured out
@@dubjubs Keep yapping
Very sensible to abuse women
@@dubjubsthat was fixed months ago
I ordered 2.5w bulbs after watching this. They're a little dim, probably should have ordered something in a cooler light instead of the warmer spectrum but i feel far less guilty leaving the lights on in my living room. I think its 10w total now! Far better then the 52w that was there when we bought the place.
It makes me all warm inside that a video like this can get 1.5 million views in a month. There's hope for the world.
And 2.1 Mil in almost 4 months, I mean sehr still is a vers niche Channel, still awesome stuff.
I dont know how i end up watching these videos. same thing happend with lockpickinglawer. Never gave shit about locks, now im a subscriber. Guyss ill just subscribe to this fellow aswell now.
"Lamp seller... I'm going into battle. And I need your strongest light bulb!"
"You can't have MY lamps traveller... They're too long-lasting for you."
Ah shet this is literally quality meme comment. Not many know of this
Tag a mate
Thank you
@@FlamingToaster interesting
Thank you, I enjoyed learning a lot from you.
Browning up we had a light bulb in our garage that we used almost everyday. Durning the summer we transformed our garage into a screened in area. It was a family room in the garage. We used the light a lot. We moved into the home in 1969 and my parents sold the home in 1995. The light bulb still worked.
So basically the sheik demanded led lamps that actually have a lifespan that is equal to what the packaging says.
Smart guy...
My government should take notes
@@NikoBellaKhouf Statistically you're probably in a democracy, and democracies can't do these sorts of things. Once there area lot of people who are making the decision - or more precisely, a lot of people who can say "no" - corporate influence becomes a lot easier to establish. Of course, it is very easy to see other benefits that can outweigh that :D
@@Ithirahad you're right, I'm in the US, which is supposed to be a republic, but it hasn't felt like one for a long time. I really believe in the Constitution that we learned about in school. If our politicians stuck to that, we'd be much better off.
@@Ithirahad democracy can easily do that, just like the democratic eu banned tungsten lightbulbs and made led obligatory the can make demands on the lifespan., it doesnt take more then the political will to do so.
@@Ithirahad i mean democracy can very much do that
The us of a has just become the carrot republic and since it's the "hallmark of democracy" everybody else follows in it's example, corrupt weeds in suits that get paid to let big companies abuse the population without repercussions and all
We used to wire incandescent light bulbs in series. It would halve the output, so it required twice the bulbs to get the same lumens, but they never burned out. It also shifted the light color towards the warm spectrum. We had one pair that ran for more than 30 years until we replaced them with LED bulbs.
I have 2 4W night lite bulbs wired in series that has been burning continuously for over 10 years. I use them as a night light next to my computer station.
Why do you think wiring them in series helps them last?
@@bmakmotorsports I had it explained to me that the filaments in series increase the resistance, which means the filaments never reach their maximum failure votage.
@@bmakmotorsports heat is what ultimately kills the incandescent filament. Wiring 2 bulbs in series drops the voltage to half (if bulbs are identical) across each bulb which means less heat.
I have 4 incandescent bulbs in the garage wired in series (so about 60V on each) and they've been on non stop for more than 10 years. They don't put out much light, but it's nice to look at the orange glowing filament.
One of those "yes but" suggestions. It will greatly extend the life of each bulb (lower running temperature, reduced inrush current on start up etc.), but it also greatly reduces the efficiency as well. A lot less useful light, because the lower temperature means that the filaments emit a much greater proportion of infra red instead of visible light than at the design point. The chosen design point is a compromise between lifespan and efficiency, (which is why halogen lamps were invented since they allow a higher temperature to be used for the same life).
Your money, your choice at the end of the day.
Well I doubt very mch Sir Clive will see this however it needs to be said. I know next to zero about electronics and the like, I am not an electrical engineer. I watched the entire video and the way that you explained it made it so easy to follow and not only follow but I UNDERSTOOD more than I didn't and when you wrapped it up I was smarter for having seen this! Wow! Great job! Thanks!
100 years ago they strategically made bulbs to be disposable.
Well, I keep claiming warranty on the ones that die on me too early, if every body does that they might reconsider as it might become more expensive...
YES. This. I have had 3 of the Feit bulbs from Costco with the 22 year guarantee go bad at 3, 4, and 5 years respectively.
In each case, I wrote to them with the codes and they sent me a new bulb. On dissection I found the assemblies inside to be loose, slapdash, and with silicone sealer slobbered haphazardly in some places and missing in others.
They'll just modify the warranty.
@@Ken-sc3gx well there is a legal minimum that can’t be undermined and else just buy the ones that have a long warranty
@@Ken-sc3gx my thinking is that if they lower the warranty to say 4 years, suddenly people will wonder what’s so special about LEDs and might by incandescent again. Suddenly environmentally conscious people are outraged that we are regressing back to less efficient means of lighting our homes and demand that the government add regelation to help reach their climate goals (more likely in the UK). After about 5 years the government MIGHT decide to get off their arses and do it which would lead companies such as Phillips to sell these more efficient lights with their extended lifetime to other parts inn the world.
@@baconwizard When they first banned incandescents - I was livid. The only option at that time was CFL. Which not only give me migraines but actually cause my vision to get extremely blurry. And were expensive. So I stocked up on the old bulbs. And lived in the dark as much as possible because I didn't want to waste my precious supply of lighting. BUT THEN!!! Out came the LED's. At first they weren't so good and pricey. Now they've advance and become affordable. I'm in love with my LED bulbs. All connected to Alexa and except for the ones in my ceiling fan, all color changing. Being able to control the warmth and brightness is really nice. It's wonderful. They don't make me sick. BUT....they're still pricey compared to the old 3 for $1 incan. ones. And I still use those in places like above my stove and in closets. And in old lamps that don't like led's. However, I had 5 years where I felt like a cave dweller because the laws came before the technology. It really sucked. Now what I need are LED's that fit above my bathroom sink. It takes those narrow based big bulb things. I found some that are not only expensive ( since I need 5) and only in cool white, but the circuitry section is hideous looking. Again, technology hasn't reached every lit corner yet.
This man has a particular set of skills.
“I will find you..... and explain things to you in a way you can understand “
😏👏👍
I always hated how easily LED lamps "burn out". Like, out of nowhere they start to flicker, jump from bright to dim every 30 seconds, etc...
I feel like I've swapped more LED lamps already than any other kind of lamp. That *can't* be good for the environment.
A completely different product, but it relates to this story. I was in Istanbul in 1998. I bought two pairs of nondescript grey dress pants at a mens clothing store not in the tourist area. The material is some kind of synthetic, and on the thick side, but not excessively so. It's 2022, and I'm still wearing them at work. The stitching has let out a couple of times, and I had them repaired. The material does not wear out! I do not know if these pants are still common in the middle east. So much junk is specifically designed to wear out way too early is pushed on all of us.
The ceilings are so high in Dubai that they don’t want to have to change the light bulbs..... simple economics
clive: what are you in for?
criminal: i killed a family of 8 what about you?
clive: i owned illegal light bulbs
HA i own hundreds of illegal light bulbs
I'm in for stealing cable TV.
Only in UK: Oi, do you have a loicense?
I watched this video years ago and it set me thinking. I tried to buy these efficient and long lasting lamps in the US--forget it-- you can't find them anywhere. So I made one instead. I didn't go with the filament type. I used the type that has a "light dome" on top of the non-lit part. I got mine from Dollar Tree. I removed the light dome and examined the circuit board. I found a "current sense" resistor that carries the current going to the LEDs and it's voltage drop is fed to the linear current regulator IC. I removed this resistor and soldered in one with twice the resistance. It will have enough voltage drop to tell the IC to "back off" at half the current. So instead of the lamp running at 60 mA and hot enough to burn skin, it now ran at 30 mA and was only hot to the touch but not burning. The drop in brightness was barely noticeable. I experimented with different resistors, and found I could run them at 15 mA and they were only barely warm. Not bright enough though. Since these bulbs only come with 11 surface-mount 3-chip LEDs, I can't achieve the efficiency of the Dubai lamps, at least for ordinary uses. There is one place I have actually exceeded the efficiency of the Dubai lamp! I am an ammature astronomer, and hate having my porch light killing my night vision, but I want to be able to see the steps. So I modified a bulb to run at 2 mA! The brightness did not drop as much as I expected. I would guess it to be about 100 lumens. Voltage times current equals watts, so 120 x 0.002 = 0.24 watts. That means I am getting about 400 lumens per watt! The trade-off is the size of the bulb, compared with the amount of light it gives. So far (3 years later) I have not had to replace ANY of the modified bulbs, except for the ones whose LED's I scratched with the knife as I removed the light dome. This let moisture into the LED, and it failed, opening the circuit so none of the LEDs would light.
Again, thanks for making this Dubai lamp video. It opened up new possibilities for me. I should make a video showing how I modify my lamps. if you know basic electronics and can use a soldering iron (it actually takes 2 to remove a surface mount resistor) you can do this. When you get good, you can do a bulb in 10 minutes and the cost of the replacement axial-leaded resistor is only about 5 cents.
I made a few videos about "doobying" lights to make them last longer.
If you make one model and open a business a lot of poor countries specially in Latin america will love you forever.
You need to design your own lightbulbs and blow the competition out the park!!
This would make a good BBC investigation - "LED light bulbs designed for shorter life use double the electricity ! " If Boris wants to hit his green targets he should get this fixed pronto.
BBC.... Fake news... No point!
What does watching BBC section of PornHub have anything to do with this?
@@zlac...haven't you heard... Child sacrifice fixes everything...
BBC - in need of children!
@@bobtee6466 His joke went over your head like a goddamn F/A-14.
To hell with the BBC
Any time an Architect is miffed, an Engineer somewhere smiles.
As a lighting engineer I always enjoyed showing an Architect how I could screw with his wall colors by changing the color temp and CRI of my lamps.
@@curtw8827 you're doing God's work friend.
@@curtw8827 so evil... love it.
Agreed. Architects were the bane of much of my working life.
@@curtw8827 And in the end, we working in property maintenance will get the last laugh by putting in whatever happens to be in stock once the original breaks. College hallways look lot less boring when you use a random selection of 2700K to 6500K lamps as replacements.
Thanks for making this video and educating everyone. 😎👍
thanks for your video i was only just telling my friend about the difference between what we use and those overseas.
it's crazy how simply these lamps double efficiency and run at crazy low wattages. I mean of course people like to acknowledge that lightbulb companies scam us sure but like holy heck i'd never expect it to be this blatant.
They formed a cabal and made agreements to screw us over which is somewhat common knowledge. That’s about as blatant as it gets.
Bc these aren't economically viable. The Dubai kings pay subsidies for them
It's not crazy. Unless it's your first time finding out. It's been already known filament and fluorescent lamps could have ran at higher efficiencies. Then came along LED which ups this even more. I think it'll be really crazy to discover what the efficiency limit is - possibly even more than the "double efficiency" shown here.
@@KrolKaz These are easily economically viable if you calculate the actual cost of light, which most commerical customers do. Dumb consumer residential customers always prefer the absolute lowest cost per bulb, which will always put these at a disadvantage.
So for an extra dollar of cost in led and electronics you can make a lamp lasting forever. Capacitor droppers are so cheap and reliable. No funny high freq regulation
This was soooo satisfying to watch
15 years is already good, and to my knowledge led lamps pretty much never break unless you have them on 24/7 but I will keep an eye out for these efficient bulbs.
Reverse engineering a restricted-use, patented Super-efficient electronic circuit. Wow, I feel privileged. The design of the circuit is interesting to me in that (as far as I can remember)... The optimum running spectrum for Audio Equipment was taught to me as 55-78% of the maximum (where the 'maxumum' is still clipped at 98% for safety reasons). ...yes I know this is a lighting circuit! But it seems to be designed to run every part of its circuit inside that optimum. Which basically means taking advantage of the best running scenario of every single component. Which results in the best efficiency possible, the least strain on each component, the most stable condition possible for every component, resulting in a more reliable, more predictable, longer lasting device. That's space-age NASA design spec quality. Amazing that someone commissioned that kind of care in such a common use device. It just goes to prove, what amazing advances are actually possible RIGHT NOW. ...and makes it glaringly obvious why that kind of advancement has been held back worldwide. (Which I suspect is what the Sheikh was intending to show the world). ...of course, in the western world, I think we already knew it anyway, but seeing as most people just want a peaceful life, we just carry on and accept what we are allowed to accept, just because its easier. Maybe that's why we have globally environmental imbalance right now.
This should be available everywhere!
If it is a good product, China is probably trying to manufacture & sell their own knock off copy.
@@Urbicide yeah philips is gonna loose out on the market then. China already copies loads of stuff and provides cheaper alternatives. Just really depends on the quality. But seeing this, china will definitely win on this.
@@HardDiskLover the knock off won't be as efficient
@@Urbicide I hope they are
@@QLTD at first no. But that's the thing with china electronics. Quality gradually increases, depending on good of a seller the item becomes.
This is the most interested I've heard you be, in a long time. An "oh, this is interesting" type of "unusual" rather than a "WTF is this" type of "unusual" that I normally hear :-)
I like using 7.5 watt light-bulbs, refrigerator bulbs for most. Mood lighting, low-level lighting, it's so natural.
A CRI of 80 means "Honey, are these pants black or navy?"
Ehh, who needs to know anyways
As long as your destination has the same lighting it's all good. Just don't be seen in sunlight.
Yes, they're dark pants
"No dear, they are white and gold."
Your socks are different colours.
As an electronic technician I get excited when someone like
Clive dives deep into the circuity and can explain the nuances of the design. Yes watched the video and will rewatch specific segments. BTW there have been inventions that have been made to make our lives more cost efficient, sensible and better for the environment. The profit motive is more a motivation than to do the right thing.
"planned obsolescence"
Leave Twitter, it's teaching you poor English.
As far as I know, Phillips is selling similar light blub in Chinese market, labeling 2.5W@500lm and 4W@800lm, providing similar efficiency to these Dubai ones and claiming to last 50,000 hours on average. It's labeled 27CNY for 2.5W model and 35CNY for 4W model.
I remember I would just weld a simple resistance to an LED and that would be enough to make it run without exploding yet not needing to use any complicated electronics, I wonder if you can do the same with these
Big Clive: "and here's the schematic "
Lots of competitors: "thanks Clive "
I think most would design their own simpler electronics.
FWIW, I'd be surprised if manufacturers didn't buy competitor's products and tear them down to see how they're assembled.
@@NickCBax That, plus a little bit of targeted amnesia, is pretty much the plot of _Paycheck._
China: ah everybody, get to work.
@@shakattakk china already knows the schematic. They produce them.
The king has pissed off architects royally. I like that!
Me Too
Me too those arrogant SOBs LOL
I missed that. The audio level is so lilting that I might have to turn on CC even if it blocks the content.
this is pure passion!
I honestly like bulbs to white, not yellow. Although remote control color changing ones are my favorite.
I live in Dubai. These bulbs are very common and are available everywhere much cheaper than £5. Dragon Mart has copies already on the shelves. 🤣
Make an eBay listing
There's a chain of stores in Dubai called "Dragon Mart" ???
yes make ebay listings. i would like to purchase these bulbs.
@@Echelon513 it's a giant super unorganised shopping mall. A literal maze of tiny shops packed to the rafters with everything you can think of. Mostly stuff from the Asian continent, hence the name.
@@SJohnM81 oh please let there be video of this place... 🙂 brb
Clive: "Not quite sure what r2 does.."
Me: *"R2 is usually gas pedal"*
R2 can control ships and do a lot of maintenance. R2 can also interface and communicate with computer systems and gain access to data and system control functions. R2 can also store messages and other data for later retrieval. R2 is also capable of using any of his builtin tools as rudimentary defensive devices. Most importantly, R2 has internal storage space which is large enough to conceal a lightsaber until the moment it's needed.
R2D2
@@KnuckleHunkybuck He was referring to the button R2 from a PlayStation controller, which normally controls the acceleration of cars in games that include them.
@@brunohonedeya1356 I was referring to R2D2, a droid in the popular film, "Star Wars", whose name is frequently shortened to "R2".
@@KnuckleHunkybuck oof, guess I mistook you for trying to correct Jay, my bad.
This reminds me of a question. Why do projectors take long to start up?
Well, you may have noticed that light bulbs break most often when turned on or off. They don't usually break while running.
Projector bulbs are expensive, so they are designed to slowly turn on and turn off. Just a simple delay to make sure that you don't pay for another bulb.
In the winter, when waste heat is not waste, I use incandescent bulbs. They are much cheaper, last much longer , and give a much more pleasant light. But in the summer (and outdoors year-round) I try one crappy LED after another… Definitely going to try to get a few of these ones. Never thought I would say this, but maybe there is one reason to visit Dubai after all.
The way he said "could this be a voltage regulator?" had very strong "ooh, naughty!" vibes.
Me, who has a house full of them: *hears sirens *
@Jorj +knock knock knock+ PHILIPS PD! OPEN UP!
@Jorj Yes
@@Ch0rr1s PHILIPS CD-i OPEN UP
@Jorj yeah
@Jorj You might be able to run them on 240V installations. I guess wiring a lamp circuit to a 240 V connection will breach installation rules. Sockets for this kind of voltage are different too. I doubt that they will run on 120V.
Another thing is the extra length of filament gives more surface area for any heat to dissipate more quickly.
no idea why i watched it but this guy has some passion for the lamps :D