Well done. I'm 64 and shopping for my first bike. I've been flirting with the BMW 1200GS, but the Honda Africa twin has some great characteristics. Thanks for not rambling on and on like so many of these videos do. You keep it right on point.
Just bought this bike, but the 2018 adventure sport version! Can’t wait to get out on some trails! Those Australian dirt roads look amazing too! Will have to rise there one day
cool stuff - the advantage with the 2018 is that it has the electronic throttle servo in place from honda - so you can choose to fit the excellent McCruise if you want to!
Just spent some time today in the local Honda dealer contemplating a new 2021 ATAS with the DCT. I presently own an AT with the DCT and making an extended, week or more, trip later this summer and am really desiring a cruise control. I get home and ironically run across this video giving me every reason to keep what I have. To be honest, I’d all but talked myself out of a new one. The 17 is my first AT and I fell in love with it within 10 minutes of a test ride. I’m 74 y.o. with a 30” inseam and recently diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, so any technical off roading just isn’t in the cards for me. That being said, the AT is one of the very few bikes that I’m absolutely comfortable on without a custom seat and/or backrest. The addition of an Airhawk with just a wisp of air in it and the occasional stand, is all I require for riding in comfort all day. As you’ve (and others) implied, you’ve got to be a near expert to properly use the numerous set up choices the latest models offer. So it would appear that you’ve assisted in ruining a sale for Honda. Then again, you’ve helped open up a potential after market cruise control sale. All things considered, I truly enjoyed this video as well as the one concerning the accessories you use on your AT. So naturally, I was compelled to subscribe. Peace
Thanks for your comment - wow 74 👏 - yes The 2020/21 model is certainly a more complex cockpit - and Honda's bike version of 'CarPlay' imo is in the "very distracting' category as they don't allow the rider to touch the screen when moving and the keypad is in 1-axis only !! It's like a 1975 video gamepad. Regarding the cruise control again Honda failed by limiting the minimum speed too high at 4th gear 50kph or more, so not suitable for residential zones or school zones. The new AT CC is Not nearly as good as the McCruise cruise control (for the 2017) we had fitted to our KTM1190 which allows CC at any speed - any gear - a fantastic add-on.
@@rickseibel5904 another option for you might be a 2018 DCT (in 18 they got a ride-by-wire throttle) with the McCruise fitted www.mccruise.com/collections/honda-bikecruise/products/honda-crf1000-africa-twin-from-2018-new-throttle-by-wire-mccruise?variant=29424360751202
You are occupying so much of my time with these great videos, only now do I realise the effort of making these videos after starting to do my own channel. Well done. Enjoy, stay safe!
Totally agree. KTM has a lower center of gravity and takes turns easier but very noisy and not as reliable. I have also the 2017 and I think it is 60% of a 2020. The suspension is too soft. I’m not a big guy 1.83 m and around 80 kg but sag was a bit less than the 30% at max clicks. Just came back from a suspension setup with an expert. He added a pre load ring and adjusted the rebounds. What a difference! The bike rocks The only issue I had was oil leak from front shocks at 17k (I put in it 10) and that was due to riding in few gnarly single trails. Overall this is 11/10 bike. Just a bit heavy to single trails but if you trust it and know how to use few simple buttons it is an amazing machine. Keep on the great work...
Ditto I've done 15,000 miles on my 2017 DCT from new and adore it on and off tarmac. Just wish I could find a screen (I've now bought 4) that worked with my 6ft 4inch frame and high seat set up. Superb machine. Super video and lovely sunshine from watching in the rain in the UK.
Just bought mine. Was on the fence about the automatic but let me fuckin tell ya... instantly after twisting the throttle and taking off I was obsessed and in love. The seat feels like it’s perfectly molded to everyone’s butt no matter who sits on it. Shifting with the buttons let’s you wined out the bike more but auto works just as good, like she said the power is there no matter what gear. Idk how they pulled it off but I’m totally digging an auto bike. Don’t get me wrong it’s not better or worse in my opinion they both have pros and cons, things I like and dislike but it’s a completely different kind of feeling of riding. It felt like I was sitting on a comfy saddle but driving a smooth ass boat all at the same time 😹 10/10 I’m keeping my 2017 Africa twin
I have the 2018 ATAS and think it’s even better than the 2016-17. If I couldn’t get 1n 18-19, I’d still get the 16-17 models before a 2020-present one. The ONLY thing I like about the newer models is the TFT display and I can live without that. Great review. Thanks for sharing.
Great vid.. makes me want to go in the garage and wink at my ‘17.. we too have the dreaded desert marbles here in Arizona., and plenty of hot hot days. Enjoy!
Brilliant review! I own a 2016 DCT and I LOVE it. Also, I've fitted tubeless rims and that's definitely a bonus if you're going to be repairing punctures in the hot African sun.
Great point about the MX Boot friendly.. I would use street boots around town and MX boots offroad. No more switching the gear leaver up and down for different boots
Just a picky point, but ADV and Adventure is the same number of syllables. It's kind of like using LOL in a face to face conversation, a bit off for anyone over 25 years old. LOL. With that said, I appreciate you input and glad I made the choice to buy a 2018 AT 1000
Nearly to the end of riding sportsbikes and having owned a ktm 990 adv and sold it a few months later, always been interested in the twin. Thankyou for the tips ride safe.
Solid points...great review! Still I want cruise control for my cramping hand. Throttle locks just aren't a great solution. Still doesn't justify the large 2020 price gap. Cheers!
Thanks for your kind words! The McCruise electronic CC is actually superior to the factory cc because use can use it in any gear at any speed, have it on my other bike and love it. Honda should change their 2020 to allow 3rd gear at least.
Great review, you would have sold me one, DCT and all if I hadn't just purchased my GSA 1250 ha ha ha, no regrets mind you but at least if the big girl lets me down, I know which bike to go to. Have to say that the quick shifter helps to mitigate some of the issues you mention and that boxer motor keeps both the heat and weight down low.
Great review. Like to hear why an owner loves their bike and points out why. Not sure if I should wait for the new 800 Africa Twin or buy a 2nd hand 2017 Africa Twin.
👏 yes! Maybe Honda will finally make a 750 Africa Twin again? Keep it cheap, light and simple and take back the ground lost to DR,DRZ&KLR? it's worth dreaming about such things and keeping hope alive.
Nice video. I did just buy the 2020 adventure sport and traded in one of my fireblades. Love to ride it. Hope you enjoy yours. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Still wonder why Honda doesn’t have an upgrade for their pre-2020 DCT models. The second (third if you count the newest upgrade) generation DCT is significantly better than the first generation (not upgradable?) version.
If you really want it buy from McCruise Australia for the 2017 and newer. They CC is actually superior to Honda because you can use McCruise in any gear and any speed! We had one of these on our KTM1190 for 8 years with no issues.
Good points, thank you! Personally I did not like the suspension of the 1000AT. It is much better on the new model (for my peronal taste). Cruise Control is a huge plus for me too. And then the prices ... the difference to the 1100 model is less then 1000€ in Germany. Currently you get an CRF1000 DCT for about 12790€ and and an CRF1100 DCT for about 13590€. If prices were lower for the older model, I definitely would think about it because you made some very good points to think of. Drive safe. Best regards from Germany.
thanks for your comment Solus !! yes Suspension - I also never keep the original springs because I ride with luggage (panniers, tent, food et al). Pre-load alone cannot adjust for it correctly. I prefer to install progressive springs (HyperPro) rated for a taller(heavier) rider combo, and slightly thicker fork oil too. Springs are actually cheap for both bikes :) - I am comparing a used 2017 to the new 2020 and you can find it for almost 55% of the price here. imo McCruise CC is actually superior to the factory CC because you can hold 40kph 2nd gear in school zones to keep your license points, i wish Honda even allowed 3rd gear for the 2020 cc but they did not (60kph 4th gear >) - enjoy your 1100!
@@2Meerkats I am not sure what motorcycle to go for. I love the design and sound of the AT but KTM's 790 Adventure R is also a strong competitor for the top spot on my wishlist ... it's a hard decision to make ... :D
@@solusquinto3086 if you are taller the AT is for you. The ugly 790 will be forgotten the minute the handsome Norden 901 is for sale. The AT is by far imo the best looking Adv bike and Honda is way way more reliable than KTM from my direct experience as i already have a 790 :). One thing i found useful is to sit on 2 bikes and have a friend take a lot of photos - then look at yourself with that machine and ask do you fit that bike? is it you?
@@2Meerkats Yeah ... that's so true :D Unfortunately the Norden won't come out until 2022 ... if those rumors are true :( What I like about the 790 Adv R is this Mountainbikefeeling. For me it is a very inspiring Motorcycle. On Saturday I have another test ride with it and a friend will make some pictures and videos. For the AT I actually don't need pictures like that. Just like you said ... the AT IS by FAR the best looking of the bunch. Reliability is a big point for me too and I wish I could say that I never had problems with my 1190 Adv ... but I had :( I guess its price is the only thing that keeps me away at this point. Next week I'll make my decision ... :D
Je viens de voir ta présentation sur" Africa Twin France" Tout comme toi j'ai pris la version 2017 mais en boîte manu ;) et tout comme toi je trouve exactement les mêmes critères....Très bonne vidéo 👌
Great video and very useful, cos I am in that phase right now: which one to go for? I have a question though: you pointed out that the throttle wire will make it easier to repair. Fair enough! But what about the DCT? Shouldn't the same logic apply to that as well? Thanks!
The Honda DCT is extremely reliable in my experience. It's not new to Honda. So... How many posts have I read of rider breaking and bending their gear change levers? or burning their clutches? Many 🤣
You're absolutely right ! - the new 2020 bike takes longer than rescue helicopter to spool up and get the bluetooth2helmet running and programmed for a trip and SIRI is in mix omg. The TFT data is highly distracting and a most of the fonts are TOO small to read on a bumpy dirt road at speed and even the trip meter and menu system UI is not as flexible as I would have expected, and even the favorites button has only 3 (haha) choices pppft.
Thanks for your review. Your bike is really nice… I do have a question I’d like mine like yours including the cargo boxes on the side…I do have a question would it be comfortable to ride with my wife? I rarely ride with out her. Thanks any input is greatly appreciated
If you change the rear spring for a progressive spring to match the combined weight of rider+pillion in rider gear it will be good. I chose the HyperPro brand myself. Then if you add boxes you can increase the pre-load :)
Can I ask how tall you are? I am looking to get one, but at 167 cm, I'm concerned I won't be able to get enough of of feet down during slow or tricky situations.
I am 175cm but my body is long and my legs are 'short' for my height haha. I used the standard seat - but there is also available a low seat from Honda :)
The best thing is the handling/DCT/reliability. Actually it’s been replaced. Mainly because I wanted a lower bike. I do miss the AT but weirdly the other Meerkat bought one! Yep he also thought Africa Twins 👯♀️ handle so well he got one.
Once i dropped it on some slippery surface at the petrol station and 2 guys rushed over and picked the bike up before I even got up myself. People are just so nice.
@@johnscott9829 When a person in car gets a puncture they cannot lift their car up with muscles alone?... so I thought why do I need to lift my bike up? A simple winch can do it. If somebody is around we can do a team lift. Otherwise just use the Eastbound. I don't see the risk benefit of a hurt body part/back on a long trip from a hero lift. Have done several practice lifts with the Eastbound Motowinch and no issues (apart from carrying the 2kg device) as it is well made imo.
@@2Meerkats Absolutely agree. My question about being able to lift the bike was just one of curiosity. I most often ride alone and have never considered these larger bike because of the weight. This Eastbound Motowinch is a game changer!!! I've always been very impressed with women like yourself that have the confidence to ride the bigger bikes. I have never been able to find that same confidence. I have always been obsessed with, and couldn't get past, the massive weight. I see now you are on a KTM, but I'm really thinking seriously about getting the Africa Twin with the DCT. Thanks so much for the replies and the effort to may the vids.
I'm looking to upgrade from my KTM 390 (70K kms - 5 years) to a bigger (read reliable!) Machine. 1. Used 2018: CRF1000L AT - DCT 2. Transalp 750 XL 3. Used 2021: Triumph Tiger 900 RP
@@2Meerkats What would your suggestion be? I have tried all three. I prefer the Hondas for the engines (stay cool in bumper-to-bumper traffic), reliability and affordablilty. Between the AT and the TA; i would have liked the TA; it's new, light, nimble and spirited but the Suspension Kit and Ground Clearance is a bit of a letdown. So, it looks like the Mighty AT. Me reservations are about it's age: 6 years. Any wear and tear issues i should be worried about? I'd rather be on the Road, than in the Garage. 🥴
@@2Meerkats Hmm. I was also thinking on the same lines; Transalp Rally Build! But that's going to take up the cost by another 3K USD. It's already over-priced here ~ 14K USD. Also; on my 390, I had off-road spec suspension upgrades (front and back with 28mm increased stroke) but I had bad experience with that: rear shock seal leaked 4 times with a 18 months. So, I'm hesitant to try that route again. Plus; here in India; getting them (international brands) serviced or repaired will not be possible. Would prefer to stay close to stock...
@@2Meerkats Cheers, have seen a cheapish, low kms bike for sale at a dealers. Might take it for a ride to see what I think. I like the look of the Africa Twin. Bit heavy, but no heavier than my Strom. Also mixed reviews online. Fortnine said it was amazing off-road, but handled terribly on a windy sealed road, whilst a Pommy Motorcycle channel said it handled better than any other ADV at the time. - Best to see for myself I reckon :)
@@2Meerkats I think the negative comments regarding handling were to do with road riding - not off-road. Both reviewers raved about its off-road ability. However, whilst the Pommy Magazine (Might have been Two Wheels) also liked the road handling, Fortnine said it was too soft, vague at the front, had crazy dive under brakes and couldn't be ridden fast on tarseal with any confidence. Do you ride yours VERY fast on tarseal? Do you think it would handle as well as an old VStrom on road? (I suppose that is impossible to answer, unless you've ridden a VStrom1000. Once again thanks for the vid and your replies :) Cheers, Campbell
@@actstuntcam Fortnine is a great guy, luv his videos for a laugh, but his riding style is far from Pro imo - AT is a Dual sport not a road racer Ninja, after all. However, In my view many tester riders do not take the time to setup preload (springs) and also do not check squat numbers for their test rides (ie set empty bike 10% and set with rider 30% of travel - or they never show that process being completed, usually just blah blah and they ride) - imo after years of riding it, my Honda AT handled very well on the road for a 21" front, and excellent on really bad dirt roads, Comparing it to my 17" front, KTM 790 Duke - the Duke wins on twisties, no surprise - but all I can say is the Honda wins overall of all the Adv bikes I have ridden for handling. That includes a GS, a Triumph Explorer, KTM1190 Adv and the AT. (never ridden a Vstrom)
The suspension has to dialed in for compression, rebound and preload - ie for your weight - I am under the 80kg limit of the std factory springs so they work for me. Riders who are over 80kg need to get a stronger progressive spring on the rear and new fork springs.
thanks Pieter for your time and comment - if more peeps are interested in this we might consider doing a short video on the subject, how to setup the lever etc...
I use it at very slow speeds in tight or very slippy spaces, it allows me to have both feet down but still drag the rear brake. I’ve even put a curved extension on the lever so I can reach it easily.
a lot is the same with the 2020 model and even better like the dct or the electronic suspension or the possition on the bike or the ergonomic are better on the 2020 model so i didint understand why not the 2020 model the only reason i say its for sure better is the price....
Well the new ego's are not better for taller people, actually worse on the 2020, for us peeps. The added complexity of the 2020 electronics is not in our opinion really an improvement if you have a medium or advanced level or rider skill/experience - for example the Honda advert filmed in Namibia with a pro-rider who turned OFF all the electronics to achieve this fake-tech-look in the sand (he can do the same on the 2017) , then the ad infers the electronics are an upgrade haha, no, unless it's your first big dirt bike, and anyway the bike cannot save you from stalling(manual version) or stopping(DCT) in sand unless you ride in manual mode and pilot predicts terrain ahead, so our view on electronics is limited more to front ABS as the human reaction time is 500ms compared to the ABS reaction in 5ms. But all the other stuff is adding complexity without true advantage. In this way Yamaha Tenere 700 is correct.
True - so on multi-week trips I have done, I use a mixture of standing/normal sitting/feet forward cruiser style (using highway pegs - see my video Big Red Part 1) to vary seat pressure - with this system the CRF1000D ergo's and seat are great, and num-bum is non-est
My 2016 seat was bloody awful. Road riding on the AT is much better if people would just pay attention to SAG as she mentions elsewhere in the comments. I changed out my rear spring and the bike was so much better, a very cheap change. I liked the soft setup she mentions here too.
Terry Cox changed my rear spring as well to 8.5 which removed all the static sag and no need for preload. Then changed front springs but have not altered valving. Obviously stiffer on road but loaded up and on tracks much better.
@@bryantjacobdelacruz front 1/3 of my mx boots down both sides. coolest thing about the DCT is the left hand brake (see my other video for my mod) because you can hold on a hill with either foot down - not always the left foot down like a manual bike on an uphill.
Most of the best adv riders in Australia Add tubes fyi even on tubesless bikes - having attended big rallies like KTM/BMW you see a lot a rim smacked very hard in potholes and on rocks and bent 👀 - tubeless tires are not robust and fail to seal. On a superficial level tubeless seems easy for new riders, but I find repairing tubes is simple once I learned the technique 😺. Honda knows the real risks of soft roading and tubes 💪 are the real deal. I have seen a tubeless rider fail to air-down, fearing his rims, then loose grip in fast gravel, fish tail and medivaced to hospital with serious injuries.
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For Pillion I recommend you change the rear spring to a HyperPro progressive with a higher spring rating as the std oem spring is for 80kg total. Rear seat comfort - when I do carry pillions they complain after about 1 hour if you sitting still - Overall it is OK but not as good as the Triumph Gel seat option I experienced in the past. Honda do NOT offer gel seat upgrades, but many people I know go to seat shops and have the foam changed to gel foam for about $200 then the original cover put back ontop. The most important thing for a pillion is to move around and for the pillion to stand up (quite safe even while moving above 50kph) every 30 mins for 30 secs. Doing this and the Honda seat is 100% OK.
Well done. I'm 64 and shopping for my first bike. I've been flirting with the BMW 1200GS, but the Honda Africa twin has some great characteristics. Thanks for not rambling on and on like so many of these videos do. You keep it right on point.
You are most welcome! Happy life Tom.
was looking for a honest review on the AT and you popped up, glad I found you!
and I need to come to your part of the world to ride!!
Just bought this bike, but the 2018 adventure sport version! Can’t wait to get out on some trails! Those Australian dirt roads look amazing too! Will have to rise there one day
cool stuff - the advantage with the 2018 is that it has the electronic throttle servo in place from honda - so you can choose to fit the excellent McCruise if you want to!
Very good rundown. Bought a red/black 2017 CRF1000D this past weekend. Looking forward to many years of fun with it.
Just spent some time today in the local Honda dealer contemplating a new 2021 ATAS with the DCT. I presently own an AT with the DCT and making an extended, week or more, trip later this summer and am really desiring a cruise control. I get home and ironically run across this video giving me every reason to keep what I have. To be honest, I’d all but talked myself out of a new one. The 17 is my first AT and I fell in love with it within 10 minutes of a test ride. I’m 74 y.o. with a 30” inseam and recently diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, so any technical off roading just isn’t in the cards for me. That being said, the AT is one of the very few bikes that I’m absolutely comfortable on without a custom seat and/or backrest. The addition of an Airhawk with just a wisp of air in it and the occasional stand, is all I require for riding in comfort all day. As you’ve (and others) implied, you’ve got to be a near expert to properly use the numerous set up choices the latest models offer.
So it would appear that you’ve assisted in ruining a sale for Honda. Then again, you’ve helped open up a potential after market cruise control sale. All things considered, I truly enjoyed this video as well as the one concerning the accessories you use on your AT. So naturally, I was compelled to subscribe. Peace
Thanks for your comment - wow 74 👏 - yes The 2020/21 model is certainly a more complex cockpit - and Honda's bike version of 'CarPlay' imo is in the "very distracting' category as they don't allow the rider to touch the screen when moving and the keypad is in 1-axis only !! It's like a 1975 video gamepad. Regarding the cruise control again Honda failed by limiting the minimum speed too high at 4th gear 50kph or more, so not suitable for residential zones or school zones. The new AT CC is Not nearly as good as the McCruise cruise control (for the 2017) we had fitted to our KTM1190 which allows CC at any speed - any gear - a fantastic add-on.
@@2Meerkats Appreciate your response. Like you, I cannot see myself without a DCT transmission. Again, I thank you for this video.
@@rickseibel5904 another option for you might be a 2018 DCT (in 18 they got a ride-by-wire throttle) with the McCruise fitted www.mccruise.com/collections/honda-bikecruise/products/honda-crf1000-africa-twin-from-2018-new-throttle-by-wire-mccruise?variant=29424360751202
@@2Meerkats Thanks for the heads up.
Thank you
I've just bought the 2017
Very excited pick it up this Saturday 😊
Congrats Dave 👏👍➕💯. You will love it's stability - happy days 😊
You are occupying so much of my time with these great videos, only now do I realise the effort of making these videos after starting to do my own channel. Well done. Enjoy, stay safe!
LeftRightBEHIND you started and now your away! - good man!
Totally agree. KTM has a lower center of gravity and takes turns easier but very noisy and not as reliable.
I have also the 2017 and I think it is 60% of a 2020.
The suspension is too soft. I’m not a big guy 1.83 m and around 80 kg but sag was a bit less than the 30% at max clicks. Just came back from a suspension setup with an expert. He added a pre load ring and adjusted the rebounds. What a difference! The bike rocks
The only issue I had was oil leak from front shocks at 17k (I put in it 10) and that was due to riding in few gnarly single trails.
Overall this is 11/10 bike. Just a bit heavy to single trails but if you trust it and know how to use few simple buttons it is an amazing machine.
Keep on the great work...
Great point you made about setting up sag and rebound 👍 thanks
Awesome, concise review of the bike. Bravo! Can't' wait to see more. 4:43 that bird behind you ;) xD
thanks ! Well spotted seeing the bird hunting for fish in the Creek @ 4:43
The most real world review I've seen comparing the old with the new.... Great stuff.... Seriously considering a late crf1000d AS
Ditto I've done 15,000 miles on my 2017 DCT from new and adore it on and off tarmac. Just wish I could find a screen (I've now bought 4) that worked with my 6ft 4inch frame and high seat set up. Superb machine.
Super video and lovely sunshine from watching in the rain in the UK.
Just add adjustable spoiler. No buffeting
Did you try the Givi Air Flow? Really good for me and I’m 1,90m.
Just bought mine. Was on the fence about the automatic but let me fuckin tell ya... instantly after twisting the throttle and taking off I was obsessed and in love. The seat feels like it’s perfectly molded to everyone’s butt no matter who sits on it. Shifting with the buttons let’s you wined out the bike more but auto works just as good, like she said the power is there no matter what gear. Idk how they pulled it off but I’m totally digging an auto bike. Don’t get me wrong it’s not better or worse in my opinion they both have pros and cons, things I like and dislike but it’s a completely different kind of feeling of riding. It felt like I was sitting on a comfy saddle but driving a smooth ass boat all at the same time 😹 10/10 I’m keeping my 2017 Africa twin
Nice video! Bird choreography on point at 4:46! I’m gonna wait for the baby Africa’s twin tho! Haha!
Straight-to-the-point review & experience. Love it. Thanks & continue making great content 🙌🏻
Thanks for your feedback! Happy Life Syai
great!.
thanks for this video,I was waiting for it sooooo long :)
I'll have a look at one the coming week and can't wait. I am living in Currumbin and just found this video 😊 good on you 👍
I have the 2018 ATAS and think it’s even better than the 2016-17. If I couldn’t get 1n 18-19, I’d still get the 16-17 models before a 2020-present one. The ONLY thing I like about the newer models is the TFT display and I can live without that.
Great review. Thanks for sharing.
Agreed - The Big issue with the newer TFT CarPlay versions is that Honda disable ‘touch’ whilst moving, and the UI uses up/down to move left or right.
Brilliant review I bought a used one 4 months ago it's awesome DCT is amazing
Great vid.. makes me want to go in the garage and wink at my ‘17.. we too have the dreaded desert marbles here in Arizona., and plenty of hot hot days. Enjoy!
Yep Africa Twin has the best face, those No Fear eyes 👀- luv to ride in Arizona one day too
Brilliant review! I own a 2016 DCT and I LOVE it. Also, I've fitted tubeless rims and that's definitely a bonus if you're going to be repairing punctures in the hot African sun.
the tires are not tubeless
@@adv67 We know that, it's the reason he's fitted tubeless rims.
@@andrewkitchenukoups sorry..forgot question ponctuation at the end of my sentence...it was a question.
Thanks for the cheery review!
Thanks Eric :). Always look on the bright side of life imo 😆
Great point about the MX Boot friendly.. I would use street boots around town and MX boots offroad. No more switching the gear leaver up and down for different boots
Good on You Legend, great to see Ladies riding bikes.
Thanks very much
Just a picky point, but ADV and Adventure is the same number of syllables. It's kind of like using LOL in a face to face conversation, a bit off for anyone over 25 years old. LOL. With that said, I appreciate you input and glad I made the choice to buy a 2018 AT 1000
Nearly to the end of riding sportsbikes and having owned a ktm 990 adv and sold it a few months later, always been interested in the twin. Thankyou for the tips ride safe.
Thanks for watching ! yep the Africa Twin ~ It's a torquey beast, with composure, I love it.
@@2Meerkats I've still to test ride many like the tenere 700 ktm 790 and the old vs new africa twin etc sooner than I may think.
Solid points...great review! Still I want cruise control for my cramping hand. Throttle locks just aren't a great solution. Still doesn't justify the large 2020 price gap. Cheers!
Thanks for your kind words! The McCruise electronic CC is actually superior to the factory cc because use can use it in any gear at any speed, have it on my other bike and love it. Honda should change their 2020 to allow 3rd gear at least.
@@2Meerkats Yes, I'm familiar with MC Cruise as a viable solution. You make a great point that isn't limited like factory cruise controls are.
Thanks for your response 🙏🏼
Any time
Great review, you would have sold me one, DCT and all if I hadn't just purchased my GSA 1250 ha ha ha, no regrets mind you but at least if the big girl lets me down, I know which bike to go to. Have to say that the quick shifter helps to mitigate some of the issues you mention and that boxer motor keeps both the heat and weight down low.
Great review. Like to hear why an owner loves their bike and points out why. Not sure if I should wait for the new 800 Africa Twin or buy a 2nd hand 2017 Africa Twin.
👏 yes! Maybe Honda will finally make a 750 Africa Twin again? Keep it cheap, light and simple and take back the ground lost to DR,DRZ&KLR? it's worth dreaming about such things and keeping hope alive.
I have 17dct too. Point, shoot, and hang on ! Its genius..
I'm keeping my '17 dct.love it too! Mefo super explorer tires👍
I definitively agree with your opinion! I did the same choice in 2019. Obviously DCT model too....and Akrapovic exaust. 👍👍👍
Akra is just music to those who can hear well :)
Nice video. I did just buy the 2020 adventure sport and traded in one of my fireblades. Love to ride it. Hope you enjoy yours. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
To the point crisp review. Thanks !!!
For DCT I would have to give it to 2020+ models. Better shifting (Manual 2018 ATAS rider)
And this Africa twin really looks good than the new one
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Still wonder why Honda doesn’t have an upgrade for their pre-2020 DCT models. The second (third if you count the newest upgrade) generation DCT is significantly better than the first generation (not upgradable?) version.
I like everything about the 2018-2019, except only if Honda could give us a cruise control , for those long distance trips
If you really want it buy from McCruise Australia for the 2017 and newer. They CC is actually superior to Honda because you can use McCruise in any gear and any speed! We had one of these on our KTM1190 for 8 years with no issues.
Great review with a unique point of view, thanks
Thank you!! That was a great and very concise video. Time for me to Sub Up!
thanks for your support !
Good points, thank you! Personally I did not like the suspension of the 1000AT. It is much better on the new model (for my peronal taste). Cruise Control is a huge plus for me too. And then the prices ... the difference to the 1100 model is less then 1000€ in Germany. Currently you get an CRF1000 DCT for about 12790€ and and an CRF1100 DCT for about 13590€. If prices were lower for the older model, I definitely would think about it because you made some very good points to think of. Drive safe. Best regards from Germany.
thanks for your comment Solus !! yes Suspension - I also never keep the original springs because I ride with luggage (panniers, tent, food et al). Pre-load alone cannot adjust for it correctly. I prefer to install progressive springs (HyperPro) rated for a taller(heavier) rider combo, and slightly thicker fork oil too. Springs are actually cheap for both bikes :) - I am comparing a used 2017 to the new 2020 and you can find it for almost 55% of the price here. imo McCruise CC is actually superior to the factory CC because you can hold 40kph 2nd gear in school zones to keep your license points, i wish Honda even allowed 3rd gear for the 2020 cc but they did not (60kph 4th gear >) - enjoy your 1100!
@@2Meerkats I am not sure what motorcycle to go for. I love the design and sound of the AT but KTM's 790 Adventure R is also a strong competitor for the top spot on my wishlist ... it's a hard decision to make ... :D
@@solusquinto3086 if you are taller the AT is for you. The ugly 790 will be forgotten the minute the handsome Norden 901 is for sale. The AT is by far imo the best looking Adv bike and Honda is way way more reliable than KTM from my direct experience as i already have a 790 :). One thing i found useful is to sit on 2 bikes and have a friend take a lot of photos - then look at yourself with that machine and ask do you fit that bike? is it you?
@@2Meerkats Yeah ... that's so true :D Unfortunately the Norden won't come out until 2022 ... if those rumors are true :( What I like about the 790 Adv R is this Mountainbikefeeling. For me it is a very inspiring Motorcycle. On Saturday I have another test ride with it and a friend will make some pictures and videos. For the AT I actually don't need pictures like that. Just like you said ... the AT IS by FAR the best looking of the bunch. Reliability is a big point for me too and I wish I could say that I never had problems with my 1190 Adv ... but I had :( I guess its price is the only thing that keeps me away at this point. Next week I'll make my decision ... :D
Je viens de voir ta présentation sur" Africa Twin France" Tout comme toi j'ai pris la version 2017 mais en boîte manu ;) et tout comme toi je trouve exactement les mêmes critères....Très bonne vidéo 👌
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@@2Meerkats Si vous venez en France... n'hésitez pas a me faire signe 😉✌️
I'm going to have to try a dct
Nice to hear what you think about the newer one
The CRF1100 - has an excellent motor but the CarPlay is over complicated and distracting imo.
Great video and very useful, cos I am in that phase right now: which one to go for?
I have a question though: you pointed out that the throttle wire will make it easier to repair. Fair enough!
But what about the DCT? Shouldn't the same logic apply to that as well?
Thanks!
The Honda DCT is extremely reliable in my experience. It's not new to Honda. So... How many posts have I read of rider breaking and bending their gear change levers? or burning their clutches? Many 🤣
@@2Meerkats agreed. But one may argue that in remote locations those can be fixed (with some luck). Not the DCT
Awesome review, very nice bike, love from Pakistan.
I have a 2017 manual red tri-color
The BEST colour combo!!
@@2Meerkats thanks!
@@2Meerkats Greetings from Canada!
@@donyboy73 have many AT's been up to the Arctic Ocean, Tuktoyaktuk via the Yukon
Just the startup procedure on the new AT alone are a deal breaker for me. And Im not fan of the new complicated TFT menu. Great review
You're absolutely right ! - the new 2020 bike takes longer than rescue helicopter to spool up and get the bluetooth2helmet running and programmed for a trip and SIRI is in mix omg. The TFT data is highly distracting and a most of the fonts are TOO small to read on a bumpy dirt road at speed and even the trip meter and menu system UI is not as flexible as I would have expected, and even the favorites button has only 3 (haha) choices pppft.
@@2Meerkats its hard to get a new ADV bike without TFT today, only the t7. Keep my tiger800xc l think.
Great REALISTIC review from a REAL LADY! FINALLY! We need more honest and accurate reviews from a feminine perspective. From the US with love. #GoGirl
Thanks
Great information! Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for your review. Your bike is really nice… I do have a question I’d like mine like yours including the cargo boxes on the side…I do have a question would it be comfortable to ride with my wife? I rarely ride with out her. Thanks any input is greatly appreciated
If you change the rear spring for a progressive spring to match the combined weight of rider+pillion in rider gear it will be good. I chose the HyperPro brand myself. Then if you add boxes you can increase the pre-load :)
Can I ask how tall you are? I am looking to get one, but at 167 cm, I'm concerned I won't be able to get enough of of feet down during slow or tricky situations.
I am 175cm but my body is long and my legs are 'short' for my height haha. I used the standard seat - but there is also available a low seat from Honda :)
Thanks for the reply, very helpful :)
love my 2017 dct!
Awesome!!
thanks !
👍👍👍👍 Do you still have the bike?
If so, what's your overall opinion after using the bike so far;
Great video
The best thing is the handling/DCT/reliability. Actually it’s been replaced. Mainly because I wanted a lower bike. I do miss the AT but weirdly the other Meerkat bought one! Yep he also thought Africa Twins 👯♀️ handle so well he got one.
@@2Meerkats Thank you for the response. I just found a 12.000km CRF1000L 2016 and thinking of buying it.
These bike are SOOOOO HEAVY. Don't honestly know how you do it, do you have someone with you always to pick it up when you fall?
I carry a device called an Eastbound Motowinch - about 2 kg which can easily lift the bike without me having to strain.
Once i dropped it on some slippery surface at the petrol station and 2 guys rushed over and picked the bike up before I even got up myself. People are just so nice.
@@2Meerkats WOW Great tip. I have never seen this. Have you ever had to use it? Are you able to pickup the bike?
@@johnscott9829 When a person in car gets a puncture they cannot lift their car up with muscles alone?... so I thought why do I need to lift my bike up? A simple winch can do it. If somebody is around we can do a team lift. Otherwise just use the Eastbound. I don't see the risk benefit of a hurt body part/back on a long trip from a hero lift. Have done several practice lifts with the Eastbound Motowinch and no issues (apart from carrying the 2kg device) as it is well made imo.
@@2Meerkats Absolutely agree. My question about being able to lift the bike was just one of curiosity. I most often ride alone and have never considered these larger bike because of the weight. This Eastbound Motowinch is a game changer!!! I've always been very impressed with women like yourself that have the confidence to ride the bigger bikes. I have never been able to find that same confidence. I have always been obsessed with, and couldn't get past, the massive weight. I see now you are on a KTM, but I'm really thinking seriously about getting the Africa Twin with the DCT. Thanks so much for the replies and the effort to may the vids.
Think you could group the 18-19 into this as well
You're right !
They are 2 inches taller
The AS is taller
Haha. The Honda DCT Automatic is just ultra reliable. Good luck with your decision. 👏
Great job sister 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Hi, please could you tell me more about your rear brake on your left hand ? Is it a special mounting reserve for australia ? Thanks
It’s a custom upgrade you can make yourself.
@@2Meerkats thanks for your help 🤣
I'm looking to upgrade from my KTM 390 (70K kms - 5 years) to a bigger (read reliable!) Machine.
1. Used 2018: CRF1000L AT - DCT
2. Transalp 750 XL
3. Used 2021: Triumph Tiger 900 RP
I also started on a KTM 390! Let me know which bike you choose 😄
@@2Meerkats What would your suggestion be?
I have tried all three. I prefer the Hondas for the engines (stay cool in bumper-to-bumper traffic), reliability and affordablilty.
Between the AT and the TA; i would have liked the TA; it's new, light, nimble and spirited but the Suspension Kit and Ground Clearance is a bit of a letdown.
So, it looks like the Mighty AT. Me reservations are about it's age: 6 years. Any wear and tear issues i should be worried about? I'd rather be on the Road, than in the Garage. 🥴
Yeah - me the new Transalp 750 2023, but with Andreani fork kit and Andreani AG2308 shock too. Then add McCruise CC later.
@@2Meerkats Hmm. I was also thinking on the same lines; Transalp Rally Build! But that's going to take up the cost by another 3K USD. It's already over-priced here ~ 14K USD.
Also; on my 390, I had off-road spec suspension upgrades (front and back with 28mm increased stroke) but I had bad experience with that: rear shock seal leaked 4 times with a 18 months. So, I'm hesitant to try that route again. Plus; here in India; getting them (international brands) serviced or repaired will not be possible.
Would prefer to stay close to stock...
@@2Meerkats Finally went in for a 2018 CRF1000L AT
Simple every year has plus and minus..No big deal don’t think too much. Just enjoy whatever you can afford.
Hey thanks for this review. Question is the 2016 basically the same as your 2017?
campbell rousselle yes the old difference in late 2017 they changed to stainless steel spokes, to reduce corrosion reported by some 2016 customers
@@2Meerkats Cheers, have seen a cheapish, low kms bike for sale at a dealers. Might take it for a ride to see what I think. I like the look of the Africa Twin. Bit heavy, but no heavier than my Strom. Also mixed reviews online. Fortnine said it was amazing off-road, but handled terribly on a windy sealed road, whilst a Pommy Motorcycle channel said it handled better than any other ADV at the time. - Best to see for myself I reckon :)
@@actstuntcam I know for a fact it handled the tricky marbles way better than my previous KTM1190 Adventure - and much much easier to U-Turn.
@@2Meerkats I think the negative comments regarding handling were to do with road riding - not off-road. Both reviewers raved about its off-road ability. However, whilst the Pommy Magazine (Might have been Two Wheels) also liked the road handling, Fortnine said it was too soft, vague at the front, had crazy dive under brakes and couldn't be ridden fast on tarseal with any confidence. Do you ride yours VERY fast on tarseal? Do you think it would handle as well as an old VStrom on road? (I suppose that is impossible to answer, unless you've ridden a VStrom1000. Once again thanks for the vid and your replies :) Cheers, Campbell
@@actstuntcam Fortnine is a great guy, luv his videos for a laugh, but his riding style is far from Pro imo - AT is a Dual sport not a road racer Ninja, after all. However, In my view many tester riders do not take the time to setup preload (springs) and also do not check squat numbers for their test rides (ie set empty bike 10% and set with rider 30% of travel - or they never show that process being completed, usually just blah blah and they ride) - imo after years of riding it, my Honda AT handled very well on the road for a 21" front, and excellent on really bad dirt roads, Comparing it to my 17" front, KTM 790 Duke - the Duke wins on twisties, no surprise - but all I can say is the Honda wins overall of all the Adv bikes I have ridden for handling. That includes a GS, a Triumph Explorer, KTM1190 Adv and the AT. (never ridden a Vstrom)
You were praising the suspension, but I have found it to be terrible. At least it is on my 2018 AT
The suspension has to dialed in for compression, rebound and preload - ie for your weight - I am under the 80kg limit of the std factory springs so they work for me. Riders who are over 80kg need to get a stronger progressive spring on the rear and new fork springs.
First time I've heard of the park brake referred to as a "use able" hand brake. Anyone been using it while driving?
thanks Pieter for your time and comment - if more peeps are interested in this we might consider doing a short video on the subject, how to setup the lever etc...
I never use that parking brake
2 Meerkats please do! I'd love to know how you have been using it.
I use it at very slow speeds in tight or very slippy spaces, it allows me to have both feet down but still drag the rear brake. I’ve even put a curved extension on the lever so I can reach it easily.
@@2Meerkats Please do! Very interested!
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a lot is the same with the 2020 model and even better like the dct or the electronic suspension or the possition on the bike or the ergonomic are better on the 2020 model so i didint understand why not the 2020 model the only reason i say its for sure better is the price....
Well the new ego's are not better for taller people, actually worse on the 2020, for us peeps. The added complexity of the 2020 electronics is not in our opinion really an improvement if you have a medium or advanced level or rider skill/experience - for example the Honda advert filmed in Namibia with a pro-rider who turned OFF all the electronics to achieve this fake-tech-look in the sand (he can do the same on the 2017) , then the ad infers the electronics are an upgrade haha, no, unless it's your first big dirt bike, and anyway the bike cannot save you from stalling(manual version) or stopping(DCT) in sand unless you ride in manual mode and pilot predicts terrain ahead, so our view on electronics is limited more to front ABS as the human reaction time is 500ms compared to the ABS reaction in 5ms. But all the other stuff is adding complexity without true advantage. In this way Yamaha Tenere 700 is correct.
I love my 2017 but i find the seat is not comfortable
True - so on multi-week trips I have done, I use a mixture of standing/normal sitting/feet forward cruiser style (using highway pegs - see my video Big Red Part 1) to vary seat pressure - with this system the CRF1000D ergo's and seat are great, and num-bum is non-est
Grab an Airhawk or Wild-Ass seat cushion. They make almost any seat bearable for long rides.
I thought riding 8 hours in the Australian outback (centre of Aus) that it was just my bum that didnt have enough fat in the right places
My 2016 seat was bloody awful. Road riding on the AT is much better if people would just pay attention to SAG as she mentions elsewhere in the comments. I changed out my rear spring and the bike was so much better, a very cheap change. I liked the soft setup she mentions here too.
Terry Cox changed my rear spring as well to 8.5 which removed all the static sag and no need for preload. Then changed front springs but have not altered valving. Obviously stiffer on road but loaded up and on tracks much better.
Its rather have a hot euro 5 so its like a little radiator between my legs to keep me warm. Nothing worse than nearly freezing on a bike
I'm guessing you live in a cold climate? We do now own the euro5 CRF1100 - see our latest videos. Great bike too.
@@2Meerkats England. Its cold for 11 months of the year
Is the 1000D a diesel ?
haha - Khalifa it's D short for DCT Dual-clutch-transmission (Auto)
Are the 18 and 19 the same as the 17? Are they ok too?
Yes the late 2017 was Rev2 and now the 2020 is a major revision Rev3 - so a late 2017/2018/2019 are the same bike dry509 :)
2 Meerkats ok thanks. I didn’t realize there was a late 2017 model. How would I know if I was getting a Rev 2?
dry509 they have stainless steel spokes. The old model did not
2 Meerkats Thank you.
2 Meerkats Thank you for the response. I think I would like to get a 2017 Africa Twin.
How tall are you?
5'9" but with relatively shortish legs haha
@@2Meerkats nice! Just another question since we are the same height, can you touch the floor comfortably or are you a little on your toes?
@@bryantjacobdelacruz front 1/3 of my mx boots down both sides. coolest thing about the DCT is the left hand brake (see my other video for my mod) because you can hold on a hill with either foot down - not always the left foot down like a manual bike on an uphill.
@@2Meerkats thanks for the info, I'll check out your other videos
Yeah - me the new Transalp 750 2023, but with Andreani fork kit and Andreani shock too. Then add McCruise CC later.
I figured ur model would be DCT... lol
i have one reason why not to buy. No tubeless tires.
Most of the best adv riders in Australia Add tubes fyi even on tubesless bikes - having attended big rallies like KTM/BMW you see a lot a rim smacked very hard in potholes and on rocks and bent 👀 - tubeless tires are not robust and fail to seal. On a superficial level tubeless seems easy for new riders, but I find repairing tubes is simple once I learned the technique 😺. Honda knows the real risks of soft roading and tubes 💪 are the real deal. I have seen a tubeless rider fail to air-down, fearing his rims, then loose grip in fast gravel, fish tail and medivaced to hospital with serious injuries.
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For Pillion I recommend you change the rear spring to a HyperPro progressive with a higher spring rating as the std oem spring is for 80kg total. Rear seat comfort - when I do carry pillions they complain after about 1 hour if you sitting still - Overall it is OK but not as good as the Triumph Gel seat option I experienced in the past. Honda do NOT offer gel seat upgrades, but many people I know go to seat shops and have the foam changed to gel foam for about $200 then the original cover put back ontop. The most important thing for a pillion is to move around and for the pillion to stand up (quite safe even while moving above 50kph) every 30 mins for 30 secs. Doing this and the Honda seat is 100% OK.
@@2Meerkats thanks dear mam