Being 4’-11”, I can say this bike is the best I’ve ridden so far. If I’m falling on a trail, I have the advantage of jumping off the seat quite far allowing my parachute to open
That is hilarious. I never thought about all the extra time you have in a fall. That does seem like a significant advantage I had never considered. Thank you very much for the enlightenment.
I was definitely learning that day. Twelve is probably a little over the top but I will tell you, as the water and food were running out, it certainly felt that way. There are some routes that new riders shouldn't be on and I found myself right in the middle of one. Hopefully, I will be smarter next time but I make no promises. ;-)
I really appreciate the feedback and I understand your critique. Nice profile pic too by the way. I don't know that there are "real" reasons to not buy any specific bike as they all have their pros and cons. There are simply times when the AT might not be the best fit for certain riders. I wanted to highlight some of those areas just so potential AT owners could have all the info. I hope that clarifies some of my choices a bit. As far as the title, it is a tough balancing act between brief and informative titles. I still feel like the title accurately describes the vid while limiting wordiness. I am glad you watched and left feedback. Thank you.
For me my AT/DCT is the perfect bike, I love it, off road it’s a blast, I ride single track with it no problem, she is heavy but whatever I’m a big guy so I can handle it, on the road I think it’s pretty brilliant, plenty of power, fun in the twisty’s....great all around and I don’t need two bikes (although there is nothing wrong with owning two bikes)
I have the same issue as I am a one bike guy. I think my wife would lose her mind if I took up even more garage space with a second bike. I have the DCT too and I think it is the perfect bike for the type of riding I do right now. I had a chance to really dig in this past year with some serious off road riding in Utah and the bike was a dream. A heavy dream but a dream nonetheless. I look forward to the trips we have planned next year (TBD) and seeing how much more I can learn about this bike as I continue riding. I wanted to thank you for watching and leaving your feedback here.
Boo Radley 40 years ago I was racing motocross and riding 125-500 cc dirt bikes. Today, I find my AT top-heavy And not confidence inspiring off road. Perhaps it’s me and not the 550 pounds wet weight. Lol.
It’s only +-54kg heavier than small adventure bikes like the ktm 390, I think it has to do with the bikes top heaviness.. the top heaviness with a full tank makes it hard to pick up when you fall on a steep hill but on level ground, its totally chilled
1. You dropped the bike 12 times? That's a skill issue, not a bike issue. 2. You think it's underpowered? Try gunning the new 1100 while passing a truck on the highway, it will rip your arms off. It's not a supersport, but power is definitely not an issue. 3. Yes it is a very tall bike. 4. Yes, the 2020 has all kinds of "bells and whistles". Maybe too much. I have yet to even try the apple/android play stuff, and probably never will. It is definitely not a comfort cruiser though. 5. New ones are definitely not cheap. Mine was $23000 CAD before adding the accessories like center stand and crash bars, lights, etc.
Oh, there is no doubt that skill was the missing element when I was in Utah but that is sort of the point of the video. There are plenty of other people out there that are similarly lacking in skill so this bike might not be the best choice if they are looking towards tough technical terrain. As far as power, this is obviously pretty subjective but all the reading I have done on the AT states it is a pretty linear power band without many frills which would leave it behind the KTM and others with more guts. It is funny that you don't opt for the Apple/Android portion because that is one of the things that most excites me about an eventual upgrade. I am glad you are enjoying the bike and thank you so much for stopping to leave feedback.
I appreciate the comments and reasoning you used for your evaluation and they make sense. I've gone from 35 + years of Goldwing riding to riding an AT/AS DCT and, I love it to death! Heavy, yep, it's heavy but, 550# compared to 900# is quite a weight loss to enjoy so, the weight of the AT is quite tolerable to me. Not fast enough? Well, this is a matter of opinion. My last Goldwing, an 1800 was a rocket for its weight. And this AT, is also quite fast enough for this old man. I didn't buy it to drag race other adventure bikes. I'm not in it to impress people, just have fun. Tall? Yep, it's tall. I'm 6'2.5" and a 31or so inch inseam and, I either mount the AT by just tucking a leg under me and over the seat or, if I feel like it, I climb on the foot peg and throw my leg over. But, with the seat adjusted to the low setting, when straight sitting on the bike, straight up and down, my feet are *almost* flat footed. Price? well, I got a brand new 2018 AT/AS DCT for $10,900 and, to me, that was a fair price for a brand new bike. And, at around $7K cheaper than a 2020, it's definitely gonna work for me. If I find I love this bike more and more after a year or two or three, I might be looking for a 2020 that's new and, like my '18, has been sitting on a showroom floor for a while. I like this bike a lot. Nice video SR
Thank you very much for the feedback. I am a huge fan of this bike for sure but I do realize that it might not work for everyone. The price is only getting better and better as these new models come out. I am super excited to see people being able to pick up more and more of these bikes hit the floor. Thank you again for watching and leaving a comment. It definitely helps to hear others' experiences as well.
I love my 16 AT. Just got it in November with 1600 miles with extras (Dual sport tires). Hit the mud and icy trails. Had no problems. I am a dirt biker so I know how to ride. People think they need all the power. You don't. No spin and be smooth.
That is awesome. I have had mine for about 18 months now and every ride is a blast. I am hoping to get much more off-road time next summer but it is a steep learning curve for me since I have ZERO dirt bike experience to pull from. I am okay learning slowly though because even the tough times are pretty fun.
I have been buying and riding bikes for thirty five years and can think of five things on all of them that I improved. The 2020 DCT twin is the first bike I have changed things purely for visual colour coordination and to carry more luggage. Six months an owner loved every second and not missed a beat.
That is sort of the whole point. There are goods and bads for every bike. There are things they are best suited for and things they aren’t suited for at all. I love my AT also but I’m well aware that isn’t the best option for everything.
Buys a Ltr bike winges about the weight.......Buys a off rd bike winges about its height..... Buys a price built bike winges about the lack of goodies.....Buys a Ltr bike winges about how it doesn't have the punch of a larger cc bike.....Yea great points none of them ....with well over 100,000 klms on my AT with no issues I can't see the problem here ......You ppl crack me up
Behind The Bars, I don't know what a winge is but I think I like mine with buffalo sauce. ;-) Seriously, I get that the AT is a great all-rounder. I mean hell it is my bike and I plan on going all around on the thing but do you think there are some people out there where this "tool" just doesn't fit what they are trying to do? This question came up in my own head as I was doing a pretty rugged off-road loop in Utah this past summer. I have only ridden two bikes for any amount of time. My first was a CB500X and then the AT. While I was in Utah on the AT, dropping the bike all over the place, I wondered if I wouldn't have been better off on a smaller, lighter bike. The 2000 mile ride out to Utah wouldn't have been as good but maybe my off road experience would have been better. It is tough to say I guess but I thought it was at least worth starting the conversation with the video. I appreciate you leaving a comment and adding your insights to the conversation.
Daniel, that is very true about the long term cost. I never really thought of that. Partially I am guessing because I haven't had the AT that long really and I haven't seen the costs associated with the other bikes. That would be a definite factor in overall cost for the bike for sure. Thank you very much for adding that feedback.
Thanks for the video! I am 5’8” and would argue that height is one reason not to skip the AT. At least in its standard form, the low seat position is unique in its category, and what made it possible for me to ride such a capable bike. At the time it came out it was either this or a KTM made for giants... being able to put both feet on the ground and take a breath off road can be a great relief for beginners
Totally true. The height of the bike can easily be a pro or a con for people depending on what they are looking for in a bike. I really appreciate your added to feedback to the comments here to flesh out the different needs for each rider out there. Bikes are tools for what we try to accomplish as riders. Some tools are good for certain jobs and some are bad but it often depends on who we are as riders and what we want to accomplish in our travels.
The africa twin has been my bucket list bike since they came out in 2016, finally was able to buy one a few months ago, found a decent deal on a very clean used 2017. I could not be happier with it. Coming from a suzuki boulevard the AT is so much more comfortable for me. Before it was "hmm 70 mile trip, I think I'll just take my truck" to now "across the state? Let's go" plus being able to explore off road
That is awesome. I had considered a Boulevard oh so long ago before I found the ADV market. I am a huge fan of my AT as well and would gladly join you in that cross-state adventure on this bike. Twin twins as we went.
Agree it is tall. I'm 6ft 2 and I still can't get both feet flat. Regarding weight: I rode it to Wales for an off road weekend and did some very messy stuff and everyone else was on something small - it was tough going, but bags of fun. The thing is, I was the only one who could ride their bike 150 miles home in comfort at 100mph - they all had to drive theirs home in the back of a van. It's all compromise. Love the bike.
I agree with you, I love the bike but there is no doubt it is heavy. I can't imagine how tough messy stuff would be but I might get a chance next year when we do MABDR. I also agree about the trade-off for comfort because I have to push enormous amounts of miles to get to anywhere really fun. I ultimately settled on the AT because even though it gets heavy when I drop it off-road, I get so much use out of it outside those times. I wanted to thank you for watching and leaving your feedback. It really means a lot to us to have so many people interested in helping this community with what they know and have experienced.
Why do people continually mistake Adventure Touring bikes for Dual-Sports? The people who seem to be happiest with these bikes are the ones who use them for their intended purposes. It's not rocket science. Dual-Sports don't weight 400, 500 or 600+ lbs and come with factory luggage and heated grips! That's called a "touring bike".
You do have to admit though that all these names can get quite confusing, especially for us newbies. I do think this could technically apply as a dual sport though. I mean I rode across the country at 70-90 mph to go off-road in Utah on an expert only (way over my head) route and the bike (not the rider) performed exquisitely in both environments. I am sure a smaller bike on the dirt and maybe a larger one on the road would have been better but this bike handled both well. I will tell you though...I could go for some heated grips as our nights start slipping into 40s. ;-) I appreciate the watch and the feedback.
In my opinion "dual-sport" means 50/50. That means it's equally good on road as it is off road. These big Adventure Touring bikes are, in my opinion, somewhere between 70/30 and 90/10 on road/off road. 19" front wheels, excessive weight, wide radiators, fragile plastics, low sumps and cast wheels all limit the bikes ease of use off road. For the record, I do not believe a maintained gravel road to be "off road". Some do. I don't. ADV bikes are fine....when ridden in the correct environment. Treat them like a dirt bike and they'll crumble and leave the owner both angry and broke. Been there, done that.
This Term "Adventure bike" is bullshit its a Motorcycle, use it as intended and if you go out of it parameters it's not Adventure its just a bit harder. Wonder what e called it back in the day long b4 the interwebs and TH-cam
I'm not sure I'm following your reasons here. Comparing it to a V-Strom1000, Versys 1000, Super Tenure...you would have the same issues. On creature comforts, I installed a 12 volt, center stand, heated grips, and a throttle lock. And I bought 2017 new off the floor one year ago for $8500.00, hence my confusion on the 5 reasons to avoid the African Twin. Maybe 5 reasons to avoid liter ADV would be a better title?
You are very right that these "issues" would likely belong to any bike in this category but I haven't tried those others. I did a vid about the 5 reasons to love the AT (or something like that) and people asked me, "What do you NOT like about the bike?" It was a tougher list to come up with because I am a big fan but I constructed this vid as a response. There are definite downsides to the AT that may or may not be remedied with a different choice but it really comes down to personal preference and what you expect the bike to be able to do. I appreciate your question and the clarity it can give to other viewers as they parse out the best options for their own ride.
@@BeGoneForGood I would say the one thing I would like is a shaft drive. My old bike I had it and it was so nice for a lazy guy :-) I will say I did pick up a 250L for the real technical stuff that I ride and it's a blast. Safe Riding!
I love my ATS and much prefer it to my old 1200GS. I think you have some valid comments, but honestly I think you guys bit off a little more than you were ready for. It took me years to feel comfortable on a big bike on all sorts of terrain, especially advanced. Once you get comfortable and can relax, it is amazing what you can do on a big bike. Ultimately, I think the ATS is the best bike for me and you just need to figure our what is the best bike for you; don't blame the tool :)
Oh, I certainly wouldn't blame the tool as early as I am in the game. I am well aware that any difficulty I have on this bike is because of me as a rider and not the size or weight of the bike. I am REALLY glad though that I had a chance to at least learn how to ride on a smaller, lighter, slower bike. I can't say that it for sure saved my life but I am confident that I would have made plenty of bad choices if I had AT power when I was starting. My first off-road this past year taught me a lot and I do wish I had done it on a much smaller bike but unfortunately the commute and my budget wouldn't allow it. I would also agree with you, the AT (I don't have the Adventure Sport) is the absolute best bike for me and the type of riding I do routinely. It will be more bike than I am rider for a good long time. Thank you very much for the watch and the feedback.
How many times did you drop your bike??? You are in WAY over your head. I can count on one hand how many times I've dropped my bike in last 40 years. It's amazing the skills you develop when you are riding in your teen years with bald tires in the mud and rocks and snow of Northern New Jersey. I'm 57 and waiting on the Tenere 700 for all the reasons you mentioned.
Oh, I was WAY over my head because I can't even remember how many drops I had but it was significant. To be fair, the Utah BDR and specifically Lockhart Basin is a no joke expert only route so some dropping is to be expected. I simply took that to the next level. ;-) My buddy did a lot of riding when he was a kid and he definitely did much better on the entire route than I did. The video includes his fall on Lockhart but other than that, he did much better. I have heard amazing things about the new Tenere and I am sure you are going to have a really good time on that bike. Thank you very much for the watch and leaving feedback.
Even as a low bike it could still be tall for some smaller riders, especially given its weight as well. It may not be a big deal to some but it is at least worth acknowledging if a big bike could be problematic for newer or shorter riders. I do appreciate your feedback though as it definitely helps to round out people's choices as they look for the perfect bike.
I have a 2020ATAS, has all the bells and whistles. Height no problem. 6’2” here. Enough power for me. Yes it is heavy! Trails maybe a T7 is better. However, I put 5,320 miles on mine in 6 weeks. Guys down in Big Bend had a CRF 250, they were eating up the trails and back roads. Purpose built. Jack of all trades and master of none. Biggest issue for me is the seat hurts my ass after about 3 hours.
As far as adventure bikes go the AT is actually very small and low to the ground (Compared to other literbikes). That is the key reason I got it at 5'10" (178cm) - inseam 32". Agree with the power comments - for me it is underpowered - even compared to an 03 VStrom1000 it feels a bit limp. Hoping a pipe and a tune might help, as well as maybe gearing down. Cheers, Cam from NZ
I love my 2016 manual. 40k miles. Buy the right bike for you. It's not for everyone. It is for me though. It's amazing offroad, but it's not magic so you need to be ready for an "offroad goldwing" which for me, is a big part of the enjoyment. The challenge of doing and not dropping. using that 21" front tire. keeping your momentum, etc. all the things you don't have to worry about on a 250 dual sport are what appeal to me about the AT. And you will be a better rider for it
Off-road Goldwing? That is hilarious and all of a sudden the bike doesn't seem that unmanageable. I have learned so much in a short amount of time when it comes to dealing with off-road environments. I obviously have a long way to go but it feels good knowing some of the basics as they have already improved my riding. The other good news is that I can only really afford to have one bike so I HAVE to manage on the AT no matter what kind of riding I am doing. I certainly do hope that I can get better and better so pickups become less and less. I wanted to thank you for giving us your thoughts on the video. It helps everyone when you can give honest and interesting feedback about your experiences.
Thanks for posting another interesting video. I'm learning to ride again after 20 years of being away from riding. The Africa Twin is the bike I aspire to own one day. I'm currently riding a Benelli TRK 500cc Adventure motorcycle. It weighs in at 518 lbs without luggage. Picking that up is not easy, but with good technique it is certainly possible without too much of a fight. It has already given me a little practice at the task! The Africa Twin coming from my perspective, is a lighter motorcycle! All of the other points you make are very good and worth consideration. I would say for me, Honda reliability would be my reason to buy one. Everything else is secondary if you are stopped at the side of the road with a dead motorcycle.
Good video, here are my thoughts on your points: 1. Weight: agreed, its not a dirt bike. 2. Engine: I have to disagree. I've owned much more powerful bikes, this engine is great, its got torque and sounds great (a slip on makes it sounds really great). The Tiger 800 feels like an i4 - 600cc engine compared to the AT. The F800GS and even the F850GS has nothing on the AT (and I tried them all back to back): th-cam.com/video/DNpwHjkw5YI/w-d-xo.html (power wheelies in 1st and 2nd gear, try that on any of the other listed bikes ;) ). Sure a KTM 1290 adventure will get you there faster but it weighs almost 100lbs more and offroad you can only put so much power to the ground, and the AT has got plenty of torque and power even for 2 up touring. Its no Tuono, but its no KLR650 either. It doesn't have the low down torque my Scrambler 1200 had, but it's not far from that. In first gear its almost impossible to accelerate aggressively without lifting the front wheel. 3. Height: Its tall, but all my friends can ride it (5'6" and above), seat is adjustable. There's few bikes out there great for us tall rider, this is one of them :) 4. Bells and whistles: Agreed, it could have come better equipped but what I mostly miss on my 2019 is tubeless wheels (easy to fix on the go, no center stand required). 5. Cost: You shouldn't pay full retail price for these (except for the first 4-5 months of a new model), Honda constantly offers rebates on them (got nearly 2000$ off my 2019 this summer). At full price its good value, at a discount, its a bargain. Buying a used one, fully equipped will also save you tons of cash and time.
First off, thank you so much for the feedback. I know it takes time to assemble something like this so I appreciate that effort. I don't know that I ever really considered the weight because riding it, even after the CB500X, seemed easy and fluid. It wasn't until I was dropping it over and over again at Lockhart Basin that I really wished I had something super light...like mountain bike light. It was an empty wish because I had to ride 2000 miles there and back, which the AT was perfect for but when I was hot, sweaty, dehydrated, and tired, I wished I could be lighter. As far as the engine, I haven't ridden other bikes like you have (that wheelie is awesome) but I had heard a lot about the ho-hum power band. It is MORE than enough to keep me happy, especially coming from the VERY ho-hum CB500X but I know there are others out there wishing for more aggressive capability. I just don't happen to be one of them. My heart pumps every time I get to accelerate from a light even though I have never (intentionally) brought the front wheel up. Height, I am just glad I am tall. Jocelin proves it doesn't really matter but I am still glad to be tall. Honestly, the bells and whistles never really bothered me. I spent plenty of years in cars with everything so I kind of like the stripped down bike idea. It makes me feel more like Peter Fonda which is always an aspiration while riding. Cue up the Steppenwolf in the headset. That is an awesome deal on the 19. I was lucky to get the price I did on a barely used 17 when I did but the prices these days are tough to ignore. Again, thank you so much for the feedback and taking the time to watch. Good luck on your 19 and if you see a red, white and blue 17 blow by...give a wave.
I'm 5'5" and I own the AT DCT with the low seat and obviously in the low position. I also ride with Rev'It boots and they have a bit of lift to them. I would say the DCT does make it easier not having to deal with putting it in gear and switching feet and all that. I own several dirt bikes with 35" seat heights, so I'm no stranger to the Jocelyn Snow leg hang. Totally doable, but a bit trickier on a 500lbs bike. But I completely agree you should consider this and I would say for certain, do not buy this as a first bike if you're on the vertically challenged side of life.
@@thagerm2390, that is a really great point. It is probably a good idea for a smaller rider to get used to Jocelyn's "I am the boss of it" capability on a smaller bike before trying to tame one of the big ones. I am not a short rider at all but I am extremely happy that, basically by dumb luck alone, I got to learn how to ride on a smaller, lighter, slower bike than the AT. I would imagine the same to be true of other new riders regardless of their height. I want to thank you very much for watching and leaving your feedback for other riders.
Some harsh comments. Anyone can venture into a track and find that it is insanely slippery. We have chalk in UK and it gets damp and green slime grows on it. You can't even stand up on it. It's like ice. Dry chalk grips really well even on pure road tyres.
I haven't ridden the chalk but we have mud and clay over here that do similar things. If you catch it at just the right amount of wetness it is like ice. Thank you very much for the watch and comment.
I have 32 inch inseam. Installed Soupys lowering links to my AT and adjusted to lower just 1 inch. So much better! Now can flat foot. Changed kickstand to Camel ADV shorter kickstand for more lean. Perfect! Installed Kaoko cruise control and big Garmin LMT 61 GPS car nav on Camel ADV bracket for bells and whistles. Perfect! BMW sells their GPS for $1000 and it is tiny! Cant read it! The DCT is a rocket from a standing start to 60 or so. Only a rider truly ready for a race can keep up.
I love that the AT is accessible for so many riders especially with a few simple modifications. I am curious to hear about the Kaoko because I great super tired of the ride while going through Nebraska this past summer. I have seen great reviews for them but never quite pulled the trigger. I go even cheaper on my GPS by just using my phone. ;-) Thank you so much for watching and offering your thoughts as well. I am hoping all of these comments as well as the video help others with their choice of bike.
Be Gone For Good The Kaoko would be perfect for Nebraska, just set and forget! It simply adds friction to overcome throttle’s spring return. Once friction is set you can rotate the throttle to any position and it stays. Setting it with pinky finger as advertised can be done but its not easy. I usually let go of throttle to dial in some friction if no one is behind me. Anyway, it beats a throttle lock any day. BTW, phone is indeed best navigator, Garmin is best moving map - always shows speed, speed limit, direction or elevation, road youre on and what intersecting road is coming up next. Id be lost without it (yuk yuk).
That is a pretty solid endorsement of the Kaoko. I might have to pick one up before our next long road trip because it would be nice to take my hand off every now and again. I also should be clear, not that it matters to our convo, but I actually really enjoyed riding across Nebraska this past year. I thought it was going to be a bear but I loved seeing the bright blue sky set against the deep greens all around. It was a perfect day to be riding through and I enjoyed every mile of it far more than I expected. It felt like the very picture of freedom spread out before me so don't jump all over me Nebraska people.
If you know how to ride AT has plenty of power. I never had problems keeping up with ktm and bmw and smiling knowing i spent a lot less of my hard earned cash..Plus I like doing extra mods to make it my own
Maybe that is true but some of those bikes turn more raw power so I would be surprised if the AT could match their quickness or top speeds without some healthy changes to the stock system. Either way, different needs call for different tools and if your goal is to go nuts with your adventure bike, I think you may be happier on an alternative to the AT.
I know people that buy a new bike every year but yet they still struggle on the easiest dirt roads and inclines . Just saying the average rider need not spend so much money . Remember going to last year's rally and some guy drove his bmw off into the woods while the lead rider had a old AT that was killing most of the riders there. Invest in your skill set take lessons and buy a At 🙂.
Totally agree brother, my sports bikes mates are surprised and impressed that the mighty ATAS keeps up with them….. gotta love the big wheel lift off when coming out of the bends whilst rascally giving it some!
Ive worked on bike since 1980 certified mototerc mech I've owned a 22 Africa twin base model 11 months now and I'm old school and trail ride and been through sand and haven't dumped it yet. This is (to me) the best adventure bike for all around and when it wears out after 100k miles or so I will buy a new one . 56 to 62 miles a gallon cruise control lots of bells n whistles and it took time to adjust to what I needed to operate it of my needs. Only thing I will do to it is better seat and maybe 4" higher windscreen rear rack n kriega bags for now. Eng guards are on. But you might want a smaller bike this is your preference not everyone else's no manufacturer is going to build your perfect bike . That's why they have ecseseries and upgrades to build what you want for your bike..
That is sort of my point. Every bike is a tool and sometimes there are better tools for different jobs. Just be sure this is the right tool before going too deep into it.
@@BeGoneForGood Ha Ha no worries man, loved everything else, great channel, i even subscribed. Little things can make a good video a GREAT video, haha, keep up the good work.
Great bike. Yes, it is heavy and not nimble. It is fun in the twisties, but it is like muscling an oil tanker around corners once you start getting it over. Great for long distance but not agile.
The white gray and black is super sharp. I have the 17 and love the hell out of my bike. I feel like I am just starting to get to know her after doing my first REAL off-road section this past summer in Utah. Thank you very much for watching and commenting.
I have room for one bike. I picked the 19 Africa twin. I’m a big guy 6’3” 300lbs so it feels just small enough on trails. I love my bike and I think I’ll hold onto it for as long as I can maybe 10-20 years. It have low end power, high end power and it’s reliable. Really my only big issue on the twin is the front suspension and the rear valving. I plan on tuning when I can.
I last rode rentals about 10 years ago at age 30 haven't ridden after a gym slip disc incident. But I wanna ride NOW for a few years before the Chinese kill me. How is the Africa twin on the back and spine on tarmac / cement / bad roads / potholes
I love my 2018 Adventure Sports! Yes, it's heavy. Yes, it's tall. You need to be comfy getting one foot down at stops to really use this bike correctly. But what an engine! What a ride! And who buys an ugly bike? She's stunning to look at.
My first bike is a ktm 390 adv, really hope to get the AT one day. Checked out at the dealership, the size is absolutely intimidating, but I'm sure I'd get use to it
You would indeed because the bike, though big, is very manageable. I bumped up from a CB500X and had a little learning curve to get used to more power but it was pretty quick.
@@BeGoneForGood Thanks for the reply! Funny enough, the seat height between my 390 and AT was pretty similar, just a bigger bike. Love that tri color 😍
This is SUCH a hard question to answer because I don't really know what it is you want out of your journey. I will tell you how I ended up going with the bigger Africa Twin as opposed to my original CB500X. I was traveling through Mexico and Central America and had so many instances where I wanted more power on demand from the bike. I was okay getting a heavier bike. I was okay getting a taller bike. I just wanted more power. If you are going to be doing 80% roads, I would choose the AT but I might be looking for very different things than you are. If the 20% is just fire roads and gravel then the AT doesn't really have a downside. If the 20% is more aggressive and you might drop the bike and have to pick it up, my guess is that you would be much happier with the lighter KLR. Either way, you are getting a capable bike and one you will have a ton of fun on. Good luck.
Aha I'm 6'2" and I can BARELY flat-foot the bike on the low seat setting. That said, it's nice to know that I have a bike that only 30% of the population would be comfortable on.
Just have 2 bikes: Africa Twin or GS for long road trips with light trails, and something like an old Honda 250 CRF for off-road fun. Easy to pick up, won't break, and if anything snaps it's cheap and easy to replace yourself.
Followed a similar bike lineage with the CB500X then 20,000km later went for the ATAS-DCT. Yes its heavy, but I can still lift it, yes its tall but that what I was looking for. Power it has more than I can sensibly use. As Jay Bee says it is not a light weight dual sport, but it is a great all-round tourer that can handle the off road.
I totally agree with your sentiments. There were only a few times on Lockhart Basin that I was lamenting my choice of such a heavy bike but that had a lot more to do with me being unprepared than the bike itself. I love the AT for all the reasons you mentioned because it does everything I want it to do plus so much more I haven't even touched yet. I look forward to plenty more adventures on my bike from here. Thank you so much for stopping by and leaving feedback.
Thanks, Just 2 weeks ago I sold my africa twin 2017 for those 5 reasons. Now I bought an F 850 GS full equiped. Lighter and with digital display, tire pressure indicator, cruise control, etc, etc. Thanks for your video, now I am sure that what I did is fine. I am Leo from Argentina.
Great to meet you Leo and I am glad the vid was useful for you. I have heard great things about the 850GS. It is a really nice bike and you will have a great ride for a long time.
They’re is two types of duel sport riding. One is short trips or day trips in your local area. Two is cross county trips. If you’re more of a day trip guy and ride hard core off road, them a small DS bike is by far the way to go. Now I’m not saying a big Adventure bike can’t do hard core stuff but you will need the skill set too, and a day on a big bike in rough stuff, trying to keep up with small DS bikes will definitely test your physical condition. If you like to travel cross county and do fire roads and jeep trails, them the big Adventure bikes is the way to go. A small DS bike on the asphalt for days is Just not near as comfortable... at least for me.
So, I think what I need is ADV in the streets and DS in the creeks (sorry that was the best rhyme I could come up with on short notice...) I am stuck with the big ADV bike but I can definitely improve rider skill at this point because I am basically starting from zero. It should be pretty exciting to see if I can improve or if I continue to make bad choices. I appreciate the feedback and watch.
Be Gone For Good It does take time. I’ve been riding for 50 years. Raced just about every type of motorcycle racing there is and still love riding. Life is a journey... enjoy the ride!
BAM. I bought a used 06 1200GS and a very used 93 XR650L for just under $9K total. Horses for courses as the Brits say. The more time I spend on the XR, the better I get at taking the GS into the rough. Though picking up the XR 4 or 5 times in a couple hours does get hard...she aint no lightweight and keeps me looking at Craigs for a good deal on a 250 =D
@@orangelion03, I have heard about how much off-road riding can help all other types of riding. I know I spent a little time on some squishy gravel and felt so much better when I got back to the road. I would love to have a smaller dirt bike to bomb around and learn on but I am stuck on the AT all the time. I just have to get better on that bike.
Great to see honest reviews from people that own the actual bike. I too, had and sold the AT because of the weight. Now, if you do not ride back country adventure you will disagree, but with out a doubt a lighter, more manageable bike for that riding is so much nicer. From comfort, safety, picking up alone, water crossings, over a snow section, and just for rider enjoyment. Look, if you like the at off road and swear its the best for you, try a lighter more off road able adventure bike like the 790 or t7. And get ready for the obvious. Far more fun to ride. If you think your good on an AT off road, you'll be alot better on the ktm or T7.
I appreciate the feedback and I just thought it would be good to get some of the reasons out there why people might need to reconsider their choice depending on what they value in a bike. I didn't realize when I first bought the bike but you are completely right if you want to do off-road often this bike is crazy heavy.
The only real complaint I have with my AT is the stupid heat shield for the catalytic converter. I wear a size 15 so when I ride on the balls of my feet my heel hits it and pitches it out diagonal. If it wasn’t for that annoyance I’d love the bike.
Yeh, it can definitely be done and the low seat helps for sure. Jocelin Snow rides a HUGE GS and she is barely 5'2" so skill can get you anywhere for sure.
The AT weighs 230kg, the KTM 890 weighs 210kg, BMW GS 850 is 240 kg ana so on....even the Yam T700 is 206 kg... all way too heavy but the AT is not heavier than even smaller bikes..
Been riding my Africa Twin since 2016. I’ve ridden several difficult trails and I’ve yet to drop it twelve times in one ride. I’d suggest you try the new Trail 90.
It might not have actually been a full twelve but I will tell you it certainly felt like it as the water was dwindling and the sun was going down. I am thinking the Trail 90 would have made the ride a bit more fun and worst case, I could have thrown it over my shoulder and walked it out.
Love my AT 2016 the only complaint I have is why did they not put 12v power Access in the bike at factory and what were they thinking on where they put the air filters Access but still all and all love my AT
That is completely true. It seems like a simple addition that wouldn't have been expensive to add when all the plastic was off during assembly. That is probably why it HAS been added to all the new models.
I’ll add to the fact that the height is something that can be something that needs to be managed. I’m 5’ 11”, bought the low seat, and still can’t flat foot both feet. Best bike in the world to me. But it is a tall boi. Definitely took some work to get comfortable after starting on a triumph Bonnie.
It is definitely a big bike but manageable once you get used to it. I appreciate you leaving some added context and feedback to the video for others to check out. It is very helpful to see everyone's different opinions on the AT.
I´m 6´1" and in reality, only adv bikes fit me really well. I´m considering the 1000 Africa Twin. Love the colors, especially the blue one. There are some good bikes with DCT under 10.000€ where I live. Don´t have that kind of money yet and it´s quite a lot for a used bike, but it will surely never go wrong on me.
Me too. Well not your AT but mine. I do recognize though that not everyone will find this the best tool for the job. Hopefully we can all find our soul bikes.
I have the DCT too and have been super impressed with the bike. There obviously are good and bad places to take the bike but it does a solid job with everything I have thrown at it so far.
As some guys said - if those are the reasons for skipping it, then its a damn good bike. Its not a "bikes problem" that You are too short for it, or weak for picking it up. Just know where you gonna go with it, and decide on bike choice accordingly. Power - it is very balanced allrounder, nothing to add. And not having cruise and USB port is so minor... just add them youself.
That is true that it isn’t the bikes fault but if those elements become issues for a person then this definitely isn’t the right bike for them. Ultimately, we all have to decide what kind of ride we are shooting for and pick the best ride accordingly.
Funny how people get worked up over things like this. But they miss the point. Just because a 5'2 woman can ride the bike well doesn't mean it is good for her or other shorter riders. Lets see her pick it up and get back on it when it laying on its side and no crew to help out. I'm 5' 7" tall and avoided the At because of the seat height and top heavy feel. It's not lack of experience that lead me to this decision. It is the opposite, I've been riding for 35 years and I am realistic about my skills and what can happen when riding off road alone. You have to be able to Handle the bike... not just ride it.. if you can't pick it up or drag it around into a better position after falling ( which you will do ) then you should be on a different bike.
I totally agree and it has been very informative for me to see the reactions to what I thought was pretty benign points. It has been an amazing run. Jocelin is a freak of nature to ride that BMW the way she does but I wouldn't say that is typical for most riders. There is a point where we all have to make decisions about what we want versus what we are willing to sacrifice. There is no such thing as a perfect bike but there is the best bike for what we want to do. Find that spot and you will undoubtedly be happy.
Yes, it's quite heavy but not more than a GS and yet , there is always a technic on how to lift it. Position well and use your legs strength or drift it off downhill if that's the case. AT is my dream bike and I can wait to hit the road with my kids.
Seriously? Those are the 5 CONS? You are lucky it's free to post. How about the 2022 hu? Based on your complaints, there's just the weight problem, which can be solved if you go to the gym and put some muscle on your bones.. Power, price, and all the rest DONE!
I don't know what you mean that the power, price, and all the rest are done. I get that the tech has caught up to many of the other bikes but power and price are always going to be factors when dealing with different bikes.
I think you are correct and if you are going to be in this class of bike, the AT is probably your best "low option" for sure. If, however, the size is a big issue, there are other, smaller, bikes you can try out to make the ride a little easier. Or you could just be like Jocelin Snow and command the big bikes regardless of size. ;-)
As an Africa Twin owner, I think the characteristics you described are fair to call out. They are also reasons that make the Africa twin the right bike for what I am after. I was concerned about the weight and height but found the height OK once I set the seat in the lower position (I am 5'10"). I only find the weight a problem in gnarly off road situations. On "adventurous" roads the bike is stable and easy to handle. It can carry extra weight and I have been happy when riding all day on the bike when I get off and don't feel worn out. You can even through a pillion on and the bike won't struggle (unlike smaller off road capable bikes)
You are completely correct with all your assessments of the AT. The only time I had an issue with the weight was picking it up over and over again when we did some really nasty off-road stuff. On the road, we did tons of miles traveling across the country and I was amazed how easy it was on the AT. Every bike is a trade of various different capabilities and I think the AT is the best mixture possible for the types of riding that I do most often. Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment. I really appreciate it.
It can do everything but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it should or that it is the best tool for various other jobs. I am a big fan of everything it can do but there are times where I wish for different capabilities. It is a great all rounder though.
Everything? Ever tried riding in Mississippi gumbo. It kind of has that snowball effect. Your tires ball up then your wheels clog up to the point your wheels stop turning. Then when you get off the road you hit the bad stuff.
1st I am not sure how many times YOU ll drop down with this bike so it’s gonna be really hard for you to lift it up. 2nd as you said now that you’re a bit more experienced try another bike that suits you and of course 3rd try to avoid it as you are too tall and talk with Honda or Yamaha etc to release a bike for your height. Just remind you 2018 Africa twin bike of the year!
Great video! I think some people got defensive because the title makes it sound like the AT is inferior to the KTM, Triumph, BMW. Most of the flaws you pointed out apply to new riders or riders looking to off-road primarily which if that is you then any bike Over 700 is not the bike for you
Andrew, these are very good points you've made. It is true that most of the "issues" I bring up in the video have more to do with big bikes than they do with the AT specifically. Unfortunately, I have only ever been on a couple of bikes so I didn't include the other bikes in this category in the review but I definitely should have mentioned what you stated for clarity. Thank you very much for watching and taking the time to leave feedback.
You've got me a little worried about my own bike choice WRT weight and picking it up. I plan on getting a Royal Enfield Himalayan. 420 pounds, then add luggage and crash bars... I'm not a new rider, but I haven't ridden in 20 years and never off pavement. I wonder now if a light dual sport is a better choice, but the Himalayan is SO PRETTY. I hope it works out for me and I hope you stay well and have fun out there. Thanks for the video.
I am so glad you left a comment because I am sure others have had similar worries about their bike choice. Let me say this, it all depends on what type of riding you are looking to do and what sacrifices you are willing to make. Obviously, there is no perfect bike out there that can do everything well so we have to decide our tradeoffs. For me, the AT is a great choice because MOST of my riding will be on the road over potentially long distances so I need something that can handle the road well. I am also interested in moderate to heavy off-road portions which the AT can do but its a bit tougher because the bike is heavy. That is my tradeoff. If you are looking to do a lot more off-road than one of these big bikes probably isn't the best choice but it is all up to the individual rider. Whatever bike you choose, you will find the good and bad with it over time. It is only a problem if the good you find isn't better than the bad you find. Good luck and thank you again for your feedback.
Dumping a bike off road is normal. Lift the bike with it behind you, with your heels dug in, not facing it. Its the only way to lift a 600 lb. GS. Also, always lay it down on the uphill side if possible.🙂 sometimes, in the sand, I would have to take off some bags, it was a bich.
Couple of things you missed: 1. The 2016 and 2017 models have a big problem with the long term reliability if the front forks, the inner anodization along the lower triple tree clamp is prone to premature wear which causes some degree of stiction. Some owners (myself included) report that the stiction issue is showing up relatively early in the bike's life lets say around the first factory service at 16k. I personally rebuilt my forks at that time due to a blown seal and noticed the wear as well as the resulting stiction however I have managed by rotating the fork bodies 10degrees every once in a while 2. The Africa twin is prone to drive shaft wear. I have 33k on the clock and am now looking into having the motor removed and the transmission rebuilt due to this issue. Not acceptable Honda! I love this bike, its perfect for me in nearly every way but Honda let me down with this. I do ride off road about 30 percent of the time and use the bike to commute for work long distance cross country. I have modified her to suit that role and added cruise control, wind protection, luggage, etc and have it suitably kitted out to properly go off road as well with crash protection, skidplate, bark busters and the right tires. No suspension mods, no gearing mods, no engine mods. I also do all the maintenance myself and follow the factory guidelines as such.
Whoa, this is bad news. I am still a ways below your 33k but am heading toward 16k now. I hadn't heard this before but I want to thank you for bringing this to my attention. I hadn't heard these complaints about the bike before but it is good info to have for potential buyers. I appreciate you watching the vid and leaving valuable feedback.
Good to know. You would think EVERY KTM breaks down every ride-- unless you are riding the KTM in The Dakar 1000 race--then you just win that grueling race for the 17th year in a row--and any Honda never breaks. You comment adds a little balance.
After watching the MotoNomad series I would think KTMs are bulletproof. They beat those things like crazy but I have always had a soft spot for the Hondas. I really hope I never run into Anjin's problems because that might ruin me for the red. It is good to see all experiences here though so we can have a better overall view of these bikes pros and cons.
I am 5' 6". The first test ride was on AT Adventure Sports. For me that was at the limit. I own a 2018 AT and started with standard seat in the low setting considering the optional low seat. After a few rides I reconsidered. The standard seat now is in the high setting. I am satisfied with the power and even more with the smooth power curve when rolling on throttle. As you said that is about preference. Coming from the XLR 750 AT height was not a real concern. As a short rider on tall bikes you learn balance.
It is awesome to hear from a smaller rider on the AT. I could see how the height could take some balance capability. I am happy with the power too but I could see how it could leave a little to be desired from folks craving speed.
@@BeGoneForGood Those tall ADVs are actually easy to balance. They have excellent feedback and a good response to steering inputs. For a shorter rider keeping balance just comes easier to mind than dabbing. I had a couple of situation where that saved me from dropping the bike. In my neck of the woods the speed limit on the streets is at 60 mph max. The AT can go at twice that speed. That´s fast enough for me. For folks craving speed a big ADV may not be the right tool anyways. That´s what supersports and hypernakeds are for. As I forgot to mention it in the first comment: I think you made valid points in the video. All of them are a matter of personal choice. I did not perceive them as complaints.
I agree with everything. However, in my case it is PLENTY POWERFUL. I test rode an older Super Tenere, and it was way too much for me. I then rode the CB500X, which felt like home, but had NO power by comparison. A few minutes later I rode the AT, and it felt near perfect in the get up and go arena. Now that I’m an owner of a 2019, and loving it, I’m also keeping my eyes open for something lighter, that makes me feel safer.
I feel the same way about the power because I don't need much to be happy especially after coming off the CB500X. The new lighter, baby AT could be the perfect fit for guys like us. Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment.
I'm also only 5'-6" with an AT - DCT (2017). I occasionally think about selling it because of the weight. Then I decide to keep it because of the DCT! For low speed riding on the trails, the DCT has saved me from stalling/falling more times than I'd like to admit. Most dirt bikes I've owned are just as tall as the AT, and I'm sure if I practiced perfect clutch control, stalling wouldn't be a problem. But I'm not great at it, and the DCT solves it! Also, most standard dual-sports are geared too high for tight trails, so you gear it down, and its rev's too high on the highway. DCT solves for this too.
I never really had the “I’m selling it moment” because even when I was struggling with the bike’s weight, I knew I still had a long comfortable ride home afterwards. I think if I was going to be doing regular, hard-core off road, I’d look for a second lighter bike. As it stands, most of my riding is going to be road based so the big bike is perfect. I also agree about the DCT. It was such a great asset off road and allowed me to deal with my inexperience on a dozen other levels and not worry about the clutch. Life saver for those of us not in the highly proficient category. Thank you so much for dropping by and leaving a line. It is great to see feedback from all different riders and their thoughts on the bike.
@@BeGoneForGood Thanks for taking the time to reply to the comments! Perhaps I should add, "this is my second, lighter bike" lol. First bike is a GoldWing, weighs about twice as much! Had to pick it up once... had to get 2 other guys to help, hopefully THAT never happens again!
That is hilarious. I can’t imagine the AT being my downsized bike. I have heard great things about the GW and I think if I ever started traveling WITH my wife I’d probably consider going that route because I imagine it’s a spectacular ride. If I drop it though, I will be selling it right there where it lays.
2 of these gripes, weight and seat height are for Adv bikes in general. In fact many other bikes are heavier and higher in this same class. The only legitimate complaint is number four.
You are completely right and not that it was fair at all but I was talking about bike OUTSIDE of its class. Ultimately, there might be a better tool for a rider if they were shorter or wanted a lighter bike. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan and willing to deal with the heavier bike but some others might find that trade off difficult. I appreciate the feedback because each and every thought about this bike can probably help a potential buyer looking at options.
if so, those reasons can be the same to skip almost all bikes !!! AT is a great bike, it's the most capable offroad among the big adventure range of bikes, the power it has is plenty to do all rides, you can cruise at 130kmh comfortably
Very true. These issues could be the same for almost any big ADV bike. The problem is I haven't ridden EVERY other ADV bike. I have ridden this one and in doing a pro/con list, I could only really speak about the AT.
Thanks for the vid. Looking at buying one. Why on earth are all the bikes so tall these days. Was never like this through the 70s & 80s. Surely they can offer good ground clearance without sending you to the sky? What's wrong with manufacturers that they do this? Would be doable, surely, to make a setup like the DR650 where the height can be dropped with a simple suspension adjustment OR have an adjustable height seat (not a separate 'low' one). Anyway, they could sell more bikes if the bikes simply fitted more people. People like me at 167cm (5'6in).
It’s funny because I have the same question but in the opposite direction because I’m 6’5” and so many of these bikes seem cramped. I am surprised that there isn’t a little more flexibility in the sizing structures of these bikes to fit more bodies. I guess we will just have to rely on the modification field to help us out.
Good video subbed and liked I just bought traded my Z1000 in for a 2017 Africa Twin DCT 2 days ago so far I'm loving it...I'm 6ft and 63 it is a huge heavy bike for sure but I'm never going to be off road I don't fancy picking it up...I have trouble with my left hand after surgery so that's why I went for DCT .
I am glad you are riding and enjoying the DCT. It was a few weeks of riding when I first realized that with the DCT you really don't even need a left hand or left foot. There are so many options for future riders and I really appreciate your feedback on this vid.
There is one major drawback not only in modern adventure bikes but all motorbikes they are overcomplicated, if they break down you are buggered , it is that simple. I was brought up on British bikes. that means when you went out for the day with your mates if one of them broke down which always happens, you could fix it by the roadside and carry on enjoying your day, modern bikes if they break down that it your day is over. Modern motorbikes are not people friendly there is nothing practical about them any more. They are deliberately designed so they cannot be home service, it is why the prices for carburetor motorbikes is going skyhigh because they can be home service. Something that motorcycle manufacturers are losing sight of because of greed. the people who can afford these motorbikes have the money to have them serviced but the trouble is the second ,third, fourth and fifth hand motorcycle market don't have that money that's why the bikes they buy they must be able to service themselves. So sooner or later you going to have a load of modern second-hand motorbikes standing dormant in showrooms and people with money who usually trade them in every two years for the latest model will not be able to do so, because the dealer can't move them on because there is no one to sell them to. it is a knock-on effect that modern motorcycle manufacturers haven't caught on to, it is the second, third, fourth and fifth second-hand market that keeps the motorcycle market afloat if they disappear then you will end up with a buy and scrap scheme, there will be no second, third,fourth or fifth second-hand. and that will make motorbike extremely's expensive to buy to begin with.
I agree with your points about bikes becoming more and more advanced and complicated. I do think I disagree though with your assessment of their motives. I honestly believe we are kind of getting the bikes we asked for to some degree. It is these bikes that make the tent of riders so much wider. When bikes were as much about turning a wrench as riding, only mechanics and grease monkeys would ride. Now with these bikes that are capable of enormous miles with relatively little demand other than general maintenance, all can and want to ride. I could be wrong but I think these bikes make riding more accessible and not less. I would also take issue with your idea that more bikes out there somehow raises the cost of those bikes. If the supply goes up while demand stays the same then costs will drop. Maybe it takes awhile for those benefits to bleed down to other countries with less resources to spend on these more expensive bikes but it will happen. Innovations and improvements help us all and I don't know that curtailing that in an effort to keep bikes affordable for all is the right way to look at it. That is just my thoughts on it but you bring up some really great points. This is exactly why I love this community here at Be Gone For Good because these issues are important to us all and my sole opinion obviously isn't worth much but together we might get some answers. Thank you very much for stopping by, watching and leaving your feedback.
@@BeGoneForGood The system you embrace is based on personal greed and selfishness. it is called economic growth. it is a parasitic system. ( Parasite... a lifeform that feeds of other lifeforms which if they didn't exist it couldn't exist.... a parasite) The society you live in is based on a parasitic system that's why you have a few rolling in luxury while the rest either scrape a living or wallow in poverty. if you take the people who are scraping a living or wallowing in poverty out of the equation then the people living in luxury could not live in luxury because there'd be nothing to feed off.
Wow...for a second there I wasn’t sure if this was still an adventure motorcycle channel or not. I think you bring up a very interesting point of view when it comes to the differences we will all have to face as we do more and more traveling. I’m not exactly sure what “system” you are tying me to but let me assume to some degree it’s American or capitalism at large, if that isn’t accurate, please let me know. The way I think your analogy falls down is that a parasite doesn’t give you the choice whether you would like to participate or not. I am a part of the system because I choose to be. I own a “complicated” bike because I want the more complicated bike. We as a group have chosen to push manufacturers to make ever more complicated bikes because as the public, that is what we are buying. The companies making those bikes aren’t forcing them on us. If people didn’t want a bike that was made, for whatever reason, they could choose to not buy it and the company would quickly learn that the particular bike isn’t desired enough to produce more. You are right that capitalism can be centered around greed but it also centered around figuring out the best most efficient way to provide value to your fellow man in order to voluntarily create a transactional relationship which works for both of you. I don’t know what alternative that could ever be suggested that is better for all over that system. Of course, if you were talking about be being a part of a different “system” then please disregard everything above. ;-)
@@BeGoneForGood Neither does the society you live in have a choice. because it doesn't matter which political party you vote in you get the same system. so where is your choice even if you don't vote like me you still have to live within the same system. so society is just like the victim of a parasite, whether they vote or don't they can't escape what's going to happen. On the 23 June 2016 the whole of the UK population was given a great big smack across the face with reality. that showed them that their vote means nothing, yet they are still running to the voting booth to vote, talk about been a brainwashed society. The best solution to benefit us all is to reduce our population down to an acceptable level that this landmass we live on and rely on can naturally support. that would benefit everyone. You're right. For capitalism to work with a fiat currency as it's basis the population must continue to expand. The more people the more destruction. You would have to figure we are running headlong into a disastrous ending The alternative system is a community system where everybody works for the good of everybody else unlike today where everybody works for the good of themselves by using everybody else, it is why I said it is a parasitic system. You have a species made up of billions of individuals all operating on the one principle them and only them. that's why the world is in a mess and getting worse .
I can't believe we are about to do this right here on a channel dedicated to adventure motorcycling but here we go. I am going to have to go on an assumption here because it wasn't exactly cleared up this last go around. I am assuming the system you are talking about is Capitalism broadly. Let me get into this point by point if I can. You do have a choice to live in a capitalistic system or not as there are alternatives out in the world. Now I will concede that getting to North Korea or others may not be financially possible for some but that wasn't the choice I was talking about. Even while you live in a capitalist system, you are not forced to PARTICIPATE in the system. You can choose to avoid Amazon. You can choose to avoid Apple. You can stay off TH-cam and Facebook and Twitter and thousands of other "parasitic" capitalist forces. You can grow your own food and live like Ted Kaczynski in the woods if you choose. No one FORCES you to buy anything. You make the choice to what degree you want to be a part of the capitalist system. I don't know exactly what you mean when you say UK should have realized their vote didn't count. They voted to approve Brexit and it got approved. The powers that be have continued to drag their feet which is discouraging but I think a little prudence is probably reasonable and not necessarily a reason to abandon the whole system as brainwashed. Maybe I am wrong as I don't stay up on UK politics and such. I have always loved this notion that our population is too big and people saying it must be "reduced." How do you suggest this reduction happens? Are we talking about better birth control? Euthanasia? Genocide? It would help to know what measures are worth saving us from a disastrous ending. I don't believe population HAS to grow to feed capitalism. It isn't necessary as the number of people worldwide isn't a factor on whether the system is effective. Capitalism works between 2 people, 200 people, 2 thousand, 2 million or 2 billion as it is simply and at its core a simple trade of value for value. Nothing more. A community system relies on altruism of all components and if history has taught us anything, rarely has banking on altruism been a good idea especially as those in power recognize their total authority. Show a system where this has worked outside of a marriage (even those get pretty rocky at times) and I will be willing to discuss further. Lastly, you talk about the the mess this world is in but I don't know really what you are referencing. You can look at almost any conceivable metric and our world is on the upswing in significant ways. Health? Up. Poverty? Down. Violence? Down. Mobility? Up. Access? Up. And on and on and on. Our world is far better off now than 20 years ago or 50 or 100. This point is illustrated beautifully with this simple question, would you rather live today on whatever salary you currently make or live as Rockefeller in the close of the 19th century where dysentary, polio, measles, old age at 50, and outdoor commodes were the standard? I haven't done a straw poll but I would be much happier today. We as a society have advanced so far, so quickly and as trite as it sounds, a rising tide indeed raises all boats. Again, I may be wrong but I am pretty certain that Honda isn't trying to bring down humanity by adding cruise control to the new Africa Twin. Just a thought.
You are perfectly right about "The right tool for the right job!" Even that you can take a heavy bike like the AT out on single trails and real offroad (=terrain), this is not what that category of bikes are originally designed for. In German those bikes like AT, GS &Co are called "Reiseenduro", that is a comfortable, long distance travel/touring bike for all kinds of roads - paved and unpaved. KTM has even put he 790R in the category "travel"! And ues, a very able rider can take almost any bike anywhere, but for us average guys and girls lighter is better when the going gets tough. The most ridculous thing I have seen in this context is people mounting electric winches on heavy bikes, to get hem out of the ditch. And if you cant lift your own bike under even slightly awkward conditions without technical gadges, better get a lighter one!
I have seen some of those good riders doing all sorts of amazing things with these big ADV bikes. That is when I realized that it is definitely the rider that determines the "best bike" but there are obviously better options in every circumstance. Those winches are a pretty funny by product of bigger and bigger bikes. I am just glad I can handle the AT enough to pick it up even when I drop it over and over and over again.
It’s like you said right tool for the right job an AT is a big bike with a big engine if you are doing serious off road get a KTM or something else light but for medium / long distance trips in comfort and trail Riding it’s hard to beat I love mine
I think the main issue with the AT is that people don't understand what the bike was built for, Honda didn't build it as a rocket, they built it as an Adventure bike, which means getting it out away from civilization, and it is nearly perfect for what it was designed to do. Honda designed the engine to travel the world. Could they have given it more power? of course, but designed it with a lower compression ratio so it can run fine on shit 3rd world gasoline, try some of that in your big KTM or Ducati and see how well it runs. Pretty much any bike with decent suspension is gonna be tall, the bike wasn't built for doing single track but is as capable as any adventure at doing so, I also ride a GS and the AT is about 100 lbs lighter and more nimble while maintaining the comfort on the highways, I could go on but you get the picture, oh and did I mention Honda reliability?
You are 100% right and that was sort of the point of the video. I like to think of the bikes as tools for experience. There are some tools that are good for certain jobs and bad for others. It is up to us to determine what we want from our tools and if it matches our desire for experience. The AT may not be the best for everything but it can accomplish almost anything pretty well.
I love my 2016 DCT and will probably never get rid of it but I agree nearly 100% with your assessment of the Africa Twin. Especially in the power department. My bike is more powerful and much more capable as a machine than I am as a rider but after riding with guys on big KTMs that can just roll the throttle into a power wheelie on a whim does bring about a small bit of jealousy. I just did a 950 mile weekend with a wide range of sand, mud, gravel, and blacktop. My bike was not the best at anyone surface but provided me with an awesome experience.
I appreciate the watch and feedback Jim. I ride with a guy on a KTM and I have had those same pangs when he blasts off of a light. I am happy with the AT but I could see how someone interested in power might see the KTM and want to go that route instead. I am content keeping both wheels on the ground and making sure I get home every night.
I can’t say specifically for you but I know that I’m VERY happy that I learned and spent some time on a CB500X before moving on to the AT. I found more than enough trouble on the 500.
Thank you very much. I appreciate the feedback and glad you agree with my assessment. It wasn’t easy because I love this bike so much but every positive has a downside as well.
Yeh, there was a point at which I knew I wasn't happy with my current bike so I stepped up to the AT. It might still be a good fit for you but if you are content with what you have, I would say don't risk it.
Can someone explain to me the word "afford ". Like if you have the money but you have other things to do or you think the bike is overpriced and does not want to pay 17k for it. 17k can get you a car .
I will take a shot with this but I don't know if my explanation will help at all. When I talk about affording the bike it carries two meanings really. First would be whether you have the money to begin with to buy the bike. The second would be if it hits enough of the "wants" you have to make it something worthwhile for you to spend your money on. It is an expensive bike and there are cheaper options that will take you 80% of the way to its capability. Each rider has to determine if they see the value in that higher priced bike.
I am pretty sure any of these bikes are going to be tough to pick up over and over again. I guess that is why they keep telling me to just stop falling off. ;-)
So what you're saying, if you're small or inexperienced and want to ride hard terrain, not for you. If looking for a bigger bike, they are all heavy?? It's got just the right amount of electronics ( less to go wrong) and very adequate power. Had a few bikes and absolutely love it..
I’m in the market for a bike. Moving possibly soon to Austria from central america and I have not ridden in about three yrs. I did have a 2013 R1200GS and a 2008 DYNA 1600 that I loved but where I live having these bikes makes little sense. I am considering a new AT or a used GS. I would vote for the AT because its a honda and reliability is not usually an issue. With GS’s thats not necessarily the case sometimes. Great vid by the way! I have not ridden the AT so any heads up is always a plus.
That is such a hard choice but I am clearly very biased. I love my Africa Twin so I would almost always suggest going that route. Reliability and reasonable prices for fixes is what really drew me to the bike because I didn't plan on spending tons on the bike after purchase (I'll let you all know how the 16k service goes). I would imagine with the long distances you can do throughout Europe a good long range bike would be a top priority. I am sure either will do just fine for your needs but I can't imagine a better choice than the AT. Good luck with that tough choice though. Thank you very much for watching and leaving a comment. It means a lot to us.
Interesting, for the past 3.5 years i have been riding a drz 400s (before that i had a zzr 1200 for about 8 years and about 80 k miles before i sold it) a few days ago i came back from a trip UT. I left Vegas and headed to Fillmore UT, found a spot in the mountain and camped for the night, next day left to go to Echo canyon reservoir NV, spent 1 hour there fishing and went back to vegas that is still 3.5 hours away. It took me a bit longer as i had to stop for gas. On my way to UT and back to vegas it was really windy with gust above 25 mph. My bike loaded with gear it was not much fun riding as it woobled quite a bit and was riding below the 80 mph speed limit. Several time the bike could not go over 70 mph because of the wind. Even with my after market gas tank (4 gal instead of 2.5) to be safe i had to stop for gas every 100 miles. My round trip was 690 miles and i was beat.( i used to do 650 miles day trips on my zzr 1200) all that to say that yes it can be done on smaller bike but it is not that much fun. Loaded with a lots of gear, is also not a good idea to try anything hard off road (small bike or big one) I ride a lot in the vegas desert and we get pretty much everything but dark mud (here is some typr of clay and very very slippery) so when the author said he fell 12 times in one ride its not about his skill level but more like a bad decision to take that trail and everyone of us (tge one that actually go ride a lot in tge desert) have made the same mistake regardless of the size of our bike. The seat height on tge drz is just a tad higher than the AT which is fine for me af 5"7 BUT if you are off road then the combination of seat height and the AT weight then it may become a problem. Ill probably change bike in about a year, my choice will be betwesn the AT and the Suzuki 1050 xt depending on the price. I think those bike fit well the dual sport segment. You can load them with gear, larger tank, somewhat confy for long distance ride, good maners on the street usually reliable and can be taken to some off road. Surs the commercial we see the guy/gals ars taking those bike to some crazy stuff but THEY are professional riders and we are not...like ppl going to see the movie rocky and coming out of tge theater thining they are pro boxer..lol
Thank you so much for all your feedback on the AT. You are completely right about the route we took on the 12 drop day was definitely way over our heads. We were warned about how tough it would be and then we didn't even properly prepare with food and water necessary to do the trip which only further complicated our circumstances. You also make a really good point about watching Rocky and thinking you can fight. I spend a lot of time watching and reading about adventures and not nearly enough time actually bettering my skills both on and off road to make those adventures happen. Your post was a great reminder of the important things to get in line before you leave for your trip. Thank you again and I really appreciate you stopping by to view the vid.
@@BeGoneForGood we are all guilty then reality put us back in place and hopefully not been hurt. Between what we want to, what our skill level is and what we are actually doing with our bike is, saddly, very different..lol in my case ill be 51 in July and i dont heal as fast as when i was 25.. As far as camping with the bike, im learning as much as I can about buscrafting / minimalist and try to apply it while going out for few days. Even tough we dont cary the load we are still restricted as far as how much stuff we can take with us.
Here on tge 2nd pic there was a water crossing, some big rocks and cloudy water, i turned arround...lol no way i was goung to try it with the load i had on the bike. th-cam.com/video/_21eBr1QmSA/w-d-xo.html
Whoa...that is major water crossing. I think you made the right choice here. I am also getting better at the pack out as my efficiency grows little by little. I am hoping to really improve this summer with our big MABDR trip.
love my AT. i had a lot of other different type of bike and the AT is still my dream bike. power: on the road maybe but off road you really don't need that much. weight and height.... well its pretty much in the same range as the competition and the AT have more ground clearance than most adv bike. bell and whistle: well me i didn't want a goldwing, so i didn't need all those accessories, i just bought those that i really needed. i can understand why people wouldn't buy the AT but the AT has is own space in the ADV segment and is the best bang for the buck 1liter adv bike. nice video BTW
Thank you very much for stopping by and leaving your feedback. I must tell you that I am completely in love with my bike as well. I can't get enough of it even when our weather is dipping below 40 degrees. Yikes!
I have an ATAS and at 5'11" I might be the shortest you would want to be to ride this bike. Its for sure on the tall side. Yeap its a little heavy but it is a 1000. Are there 1000cc+ bikes that are significantly lighter? Power, I dont mind the power at all. My previous bike was an ST1300 and I was OK with the power of that bike as well. Bells and whistles, I do wish I had the color screen, the black and tan LCD kinda sucks in certain lighting. I think the bike could do without all the riding modes. Its kinda silly to have all these settings on a 90 hp motorcycle. Not needed at all in my opinion. Price? I think I paid $16k for mine new (2018 30th anniversary model). I used part of an inheritance so didn't feel the pain of the purchase. Having said that it seems that everything is expensive now. If I get rid of my AT it will be because I want to go back to a Sport Touring ride and that might just happen. I miss my ST1300.
You nailed it Mike. This bike definitely has trade offs but all bikes do. There is not a lot you can do about some of these issues if you are in the 1000cc category but they may be the sort of issues that are big enough to drop down in size a little. I am pretty happy dealing with the size and weight sacrifices because I like the power exchange. Thank you very much for watching and leaving feedback. It helps us out a ton to hear from our viewers.
I ride a 2019 AT CRF1000L standard shift and I can say that not one of the 5 points you made, has even come close to being an issue whatsoever for me. I do know that the 2019 corrected some of the issues with the 2016 thru 2018.
Weight is also my primary problem, potentially going to switch down to the Tenere 700 once it arrives in North America. Much lighter and more maneuverable .
Oh man, those T7s look amazing. I have been reading up and that is one sharp bike. I would love a chance to feel the difference in weight especially in an off-road setting. I don't go too crazy off road but the weight of this bike really got me sweating during our Utah trip. It would be nice to have an easier time out there. Good luck when your ride comes in and thank you so much for leaving feedback.
After 1500K I add that weight is an issue for far more reasons than off-road. The AT is a tough job for parking, the city, U-turns, hairpins in the mountains, anything low speed. I have the high seat and both my feet flat on the ground, but I still find that the center of gravity is far too high. I am an experienced rider but if I keep it I will have to seriously upgrade my skills. Now I am thinking twice, unfortunately only once before I bought it.
You are very right. I think any of these big bikes is a little bit of a monster to work with, especially in slow moves. I have to improve my skills quite a bit as well as I take the Africa Twin to more and more remote places. I find the best way to improve is to get out there and do the tough riding. I am glad you watched the video and took the time to add your feedback also.
You are right as a lot of the newest features negate the last issue. The only problem is that I am still riding the 2017! Time to do some new bike shopping right?
It happened that I have both of these motorbikes. CB500X is a great machine but AT is much more serious and more versatile bike. I had normal AT (2016) after 1,5 year changed to DCT (2018). Did many thousands km. 1- yes AT is heavy but relatively easy to lift and its traction is awesome 2- power is suitable for applications (in 2018 model you can adjust the power) 3- height, I am not very high guy and height is good but you can buy lower seat to feel more confident (I did it) 4- cruise control (very useful during long trips, I missed it) USB port (absolutely necessary), new AT 1100 has it all and much more 5- yes everyone should start from smaller motorbikes and then grow-up to AT step by step. Look how beautiful AT is. The most beautiful bike in the world. ;-) My woman still loves her CB500X but for long trips we use only AT.
Thank you so much for your feedback on this video. You are very right about all your points and ultimately it really comes down to each individual rider determining what is their best fit. I also agree with you that the AT is the best bike out there...at least for me. I would love some cruise control though. ;-)
If these are your 5 biggest complaints; That shows how great of a motorcycle this is.
That is a really great way to put it because these five things could probably be true to one degree or another with all big ADV bikes.
Or.. how ridiculous and ubiquitous the complaints are.
Yes, your complaints goes for ALL big adventure bikes. So why didn't you say that? Makes me think you are not an experienced motorcyclist.
Exactly my point.
Being 4’-11”, I can say this bike is the best I’ve ridden so far. If I’m falling on a trail, I have the advantage of jumping off the seat quite far allowing my parachute to open
That is hilarious. I never thought about all the extra time you have in a fall. That does seem like a significant advantage I had never considered. Thank you very much for the enlightenment.
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Picking it up 12 times in a day... sounds like you’re still learning. I’m 5’7 and absolutely love my AT. Seat adjusts to really low.
I was definitely learning that day. Twelve is probably a little over the top but I will tell you, as the water and food were running out, it certainly felt that way. There are some routes that new riders shouldn't be on and I found myself right in the middle of one. Hopefully, I will be smarter next time but I make no promises. ;-)
@@BeGoneForGood So you made a mistake ....nothing wrong with the bike .
I bet you haven't touched a motorcycle in your life
@@shivacastelia6468 It´s not about something being wrong with the bike. It´s about whether the bike is right for you and your goals.
Addict - touched, ridden, enjoyed but its a good guess.
Title of video should be " things to think about before buying an AT"
I was expecting some sort of actual reasons why not to buy one.
I really appreciate the feedback and I understand your critique. Nice profile pic too by the way. I don't know that there are "real" reasons to not buy any specific bike as they all have their pros and cons. There are simply times when the AT might not be the best fit for certain riders. I wanted to highlight some of those areas just so potential AT owners could have all the info. I hope that clarifies some of my choices a bit. As far as the title, it is a tough balancing act between brief and informative titles. I still feel like the title accurately describes the vid while limiting wordiness. I am glad you watched and left feedback. Thank you.
For me my AT/DCT is the perfect bike, I love it, off road it’s a blast, I ride single track with it no problem, she is heavy but whatever I’m a big guy so I can handle it, on the road I think it’s pretty brilliant, plenty of power, fun in the twisty’s....great all around and I don’t need two bikes (although there is nothing wrong with owning two bikes)
I have the same issue as I am a one bike guy. I think my wife would lose her mind if I took up even more garage space with a second bike. I have the DCT too and I think it is the perfect bike for the type of riding I do right now. I had a chance to really dig in this past year with some serious off road riding in Utah and the bike was a dream. A heavy dream but a dream nonetheless. I look forward to the trips we have planned next year (TBD) and seeing how much more I can learn about this bike as I continue riding. I wanted to thank you for watching and leaving your feedback here.
We keep referring to the bike as "heavy." Heavy compared to what? A dirtbike? A 650? I'm not sure the weight is a legitimate complaint
Boo Radley 40 years ago I was racing motocross and riding 125-500 cc dirt bikes. Today, I find my AT top-heavy And not confidence inspiring off road. Perhaps it’s me and not the 550 pounds wet weight. Lol.
It’s only +-54kg heavier than small adventure bikes like the ktm 390, I think it has to do with the bikes top heaviness.. the top heaviness with a full tank makes it hard to pick up when you fall on a steep hill but on level ground, its totally chilled
1. You dropped the bike 12 times? That's a skill issue, not a bike issue. 2. You think it's underpowered? Try gunning the new 1100 while passing a truck on the highway, it will rip your arms off. It's not a supersport, but power is definitely not an issue. 3. Yes it is a very tall bike. 4. Yes, the 2020 has all kinds of "bells and whistles". Maybe too much. I have yet to even try the apple/android play stuff, and probably never will. It is definitely not a comfort cruiser though. 5. New ones are definitely not cheap. Mine was $23000 CAD before adding the accessories like center stand and crash bars, lights, etc.
Oh, there is no doubt that skill was the missing element when I was in Utah but that is sort of the point of the video. There are plenty of other people out there that are similarly lacking in skill so this bike might not be the best choice if they are looking towards tough technical terrain. As far as power, this is obviously pretty subjective but all the reading I have done on the AT states it is a pretty linear power band without many frills which would leave it behind the KTM and others with more guts. It is funny that you don't opt for the Apple/Android portion because that is one of the things that most excites me about an eventual upgrade. I am glad you are enjoying the bike and thank you so much for stopping to leave feedback.
I appreciate the comments and reasoning you used for your evaluation and they make sense. I've gone from 35 + years of Goldwing riding to riding an AT/AS DCT and, I love it to death! Heavy, yep, it's heavy but, 550# compared to 900# is quite a weight loss to enjoy so, the weight of the AT is quite tolerable to me. Not fast enough? Well, this is a matter of opinion. My last Goldwing, an 1800 was a rocket for its weight. And this AT, is also quite fast enough for this old man. I didn't buy it to drag race other adventure bikes. I'm not in it to impress people, just have fun.
Tall? Yep, it's tall. I'm 6'2.5" and a 31or so inch inseam and, I either mount the AT by just tucking a leg under me and over the seat or, if I feel like it, I climb on the foot peg and throw my leg over. But, with the seat adjusted to the low setting, when straight sitting on the bike, straight up and down, my feet are *almost* flat footed. Price? well, I got a brand new 2018 AT/AS DCT for $10,900 and, to me, that was a fair price for a brand new bike. And, at around $7K cheaper than a 2020, it's definitely gonna work for me.
If I find I love this bike more and more after a year or two or three, I might be looking for a 2020 that's new and, like my '18, has been sitting on a showroom floor for a while. I like this bike a lot. Nice video
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Thank you very much for the feedback. I am a huge fan of this bike for sure but I do realize that it might not work for everyone. The price is only getting better and better as these new models come out. I am super excited to see people being able to pick up more and more of these bikes hit the floor.
Thank you again for watching and leaving a comment. It definitely helps to hear others' experiences as well.
I love my 16 AT. Just got it in November with 1600 miles with extras (Dual sport tires). Hit the mud and icy trails. Had no problems. I am a dirt biker so I know how to ride. People think they need all the power. You don't. No spin and be smooth.
That is awesome. I have had mine for about 18 months now and every ride is a blast. I am hoping to get much more off-road time next summer but it is a steep learning curve for me since I have ZERO dirt bike experience to pull from. I am okay learning slowly though because even the tough times are pretty fun.
I have been buying and riding bikes for thirty five years and can think of five things on all of them that I improved. The 2020 DCT twin is the first bike I have changed things purely for visual colour coordination and to carry more luggage. Six months an owner loved every second and not missed a beat.
That is sort of the whole point. There are goods and bads for every bike. There are things they are best suited for and things they aren’t suited for at all. I love my AT also but I’m well aware that isn’t the best option for everything.
Buys a Ltr bike winges about the weight.......Buys a off rd bike winges about its height..... Buys a price built bike winges about the lack of goodies.....Buys a Ltr bike winges about how it doesn't have the punch of a larger cc bike.....Yea great points none of them ....with well over 100,000 klms on my AT with no issues I can't see the problem here ......You ppl crack me up
BehindTheBars good point mate, longevity and long term cost is never mentioned, plus the cost when shit break!
Behind The Bars, I don't know what a winge is but I think I like mine with buffalo sauce. ;-)
Seriously, I get that the AT is a great all-rounder. I mean hell it is my bike and I plan on going all around on the thing but do you think there are some people out there where this "tool" just doesn't fit what they are trying to do? This question came up in my own head as I was doing a pretty rugged off-road loop in Utah this past summer. I have only ridden two bikes for any amount of time. My first was a CB500X and then the AT. While I was in Utah on the AT, dropping the bike all over the place, I wondered if I wouldn't have been better off on a smaller, lighter bike. The 2000 mile ride out to Utah wouldn't have been as good but maybe my off road experience would have been better. It is tough to say I guess but I thought it was at least worth starting the conversation with the video.
I appreciate you leaving a comment and adding your insights to the conversation.
Daniel, that is very true about the long term cost. I never really thought of that. Partially I am guessing because I haven't had the AT that long really and I haven't seen the costs associated with the other bikes. That would be a definite factor in overall cost for the bike for sure. Thank you very much for adding that feedback.
@BehindTheBars More vids please! Africa Twin is awesome. Beach too sandy, water too wet for some people.
@@BeGoneForGood Wasnt directed you personally just the message, its piss funny. I hear it all the time. so not a personal attack just the message mate
Thanks for the video! I am 5’8” and would argue that height is one reason not to skip the AT. At least in its standard form, the low seat position is unique in its category, and what made it possible for me to ride such a capable bike. At the time it came out it was either this or a KTM made for giants... being able to put both feet on the ground and take a breath off road can be a great relief for beginners
Totally true. The height of the bike can easily be a pro or a con for people depending on what they are looking for in a bike. I really appreciate your added to feedback to the comments here to flesh out the different needs for each rider out there. Bikes are tools for what we try to accomplish as riders. Some tools are good for certain jobs and some are bad but it often depends on who we are as riders and what we want to accomplish in our travels.
The africa twin has been my bucket list bike since they came out in 2016, finally was able to buy one a few months ago, found a decent deal on a very clean used 2017. I could not be happier with it. Coming from a suzuki boulevard the AT is so much more comfortable for me. Before it was "hmm 70 mile trip, I think I'll just take my truck" to now "across the state? Let's go" plus being able to explore off road
That is awesome. I had considered a Boulevard oh so long ago before I found the ADV market. I am a huge fan of my AT as well and would gladly join you in that cross-state adventure on this bike. Twin twins as we went.
Agree it is tall. I'm 6ft 2 and I still can't get both feet flat. Regarding weight: I rode it to Wales for an off road weekend and did some very messy stuff and everyone else was on something small - it was tough going, but bags of fun. The thing is, I was the only one who could ride their bike 150 miles home in comfort at 100mph - they all had to drive theirs home in the back of a van. It's all compromise. Love the bike.
I agree with you, I love the bike but there is no doubt it is heavy. I can't imagine how tough messy stuff would be but I might get a chance next year when we do MABDR. I also agree about the trade-off for comfort because I have to push enormous amounts of miles to get to anywhere really fun. I ultimately settled on the AT because even though it gets heavy when I drop it off-road, I get so much use out of it outside those times.
I wanted to thank you for watching and leaving your feedback. It really means a lot to us to have so many people interested in helping this community with what they know and have experienced.
Still gonna get one
As you should. It is a great bike and if you are still interested after knowing the ups and downs, then you will love it.
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@@BeGoneForGood picking mine up tomorrow, thanx for the thorough breakdown.
Why do people continually mistake Adventure Touring bikes for Dual-Sports? The people who seem to be happiest with these bikes are the ones who use them for their intended purposes.
It's not rocket science. Dual-Sports don't weight 400, 500 or 600+ lbs and come with factory luggage and heated grips! That's called a "touring bike".
or "Adventure Touring Bike"
Indeed.
You do have to admit though that all these names can get quite confusing, especially for us newbies. I do think this could technically apply as a dual sport though. I mean I rode across the country at 70-90 mph to go off-road in Utah on an expert only (way over my head) route and the bike (not the rider) performed exquisitely in both environments. I am sure a smaller bike on the dirt and maybe a larger one on the road would have been better but this bike handled both well. I will tell you though...I could go for some heated grips as our nights start slipping into 40s. ;-)
I appreciate the watch and the feedback.
In my opinion "dual-sport" means 50/50. That means it's equally good on road as it is off road.
These big Adventure Touring bikes are, in my opinion, somewhere between 70/30 and 90/10 on road/off road.
19" front wheels, excessive weight, wide radiators, fragile plastics, low sumps and cast wheels all limit the bikes ease of use off road.
For the record, I do not believe a maintained gravel road to be "off road". Some do. I don't.
ADV bikes are fine....when ridden in the correct environment. Treat them like a dirt bike and they'll crumble and leave the owner both angry and broke. Been there, done that.
This Term "Adventure bike" is bullshit its a Motorcycle, use it as intended and if you go out of it parameters it's not Adventure its just a bit harder. Wonder what e called it back in the day long b4 the interwebs and TH-cam
I'm not sure I'm following your reasons here. Comparing it to a V-Strom1000, Versys 1000, Super Tenure...you would have the same issues. On creature comforts, I installed a 12 volt, center stand, heated grips, and a throttle lock. And I bought 2017 new off the floor one year ago for $8500.00, hence my confusion on the 5 reasons to avoid the African Twin. Maybe 5 reasons to avoid liter ADV would be a better title?
You are very right that these "issues" would likely belong to any bike in this category but I haven't tried those others. I did a vid about the 5 reasons to love the AT (or something like that) and people asked me, "What do you NOT like about the bike?" It was a tougher list to come up with because I am a big fan but I constructed this vid as a response. There are definite downsides to the AT that may or may not be remedied with a different choice but it really comes down to personal preference and what you expect the bike to be able to do. I appreciate your question and the clarity it can give to other viewers as they parse out the best options for their own ride.
@@BeGoneForGood I would say the one thing I would like is a shaft drive. My old bike I had it and it was so nice for a lazy guy :-) I will say I did pick up a 250L for the real technical stuff that I ride and it's a blast. Safe Riding!
Shaft drive would be so nice for so many reasons.
I love my ATS and much prefer it to my old 1200GS. I think you have some valid comments, but honestly I think you guys bit off a little more than you were ready for. It took me years to feel comfortable on a big bike on all sorts of terrain, especially advanced. Once you get comfortable and can relax, it is amazing what you can do on a big bike. Ultimately, I think the ATS is the best bike for me and you just need to figure our what is the best bike for you; don't blame the tool :)
Oh, I certainly wouldn't blame the tool as early as I am in the game. I am well aware that any difficulty I have on this bike is because of me as a rider and not the size or weight of the bike. I am REALLY glad though that I had a chance to at least learn how to ride on a smaller, lighter, slower bike. I can't say that it for sure saved my life but I am confident that I would have made plenty of bad choices if I had AT power when I was starting. My first off-road this past year taught me a lot and I do wish I had done it on a much smaller bike but unfortunately the commute and my budget wouldn't allow it.
I would also agree with you, the AT (I don't have the Adventure Sport) is the absolute best bike for me and the type of riding I do routinely. It will be more bike than I am rider for a good long time. Thank you very much for the watch and the feedback.
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Oh definitely. I done the same thing. Bought an AT as my second bike after watching doubtless videos, and wow what a handful
How many times did you drop your bike??? You are in WAY over your head. I can count on one hand how many times I've dropped my bike in last 40 years. It's amazing the skills you develop when you are riding in your teen years with bald tires in the mud and rocks and snow of Northern New Jersey. I'm 57 and waiting on the Tenere 700 for all the reasons you mentioned.
Oh, I was WAY over my head because I can't even remember how many drops I had but it was significant. To be fair, the Utah BDR and specifically Lockhart Basin is a no joke expert only route so some dropping is to be expected. I simply took that to the next level. ;-)
My buddy did a lot of riding when he was a kid and he definitely did much better on the entire route than I did. The video includes his fall on Lockhart but other than that, he did much better.
I have heard amazing things about the new Tenere and I am sure you are going to have a really good time on that bike. Thank you very much for the watch and leaving feedback.
Your height concern makes no sense, AT has different height options that take it lower than most 500's.
Even as a low bike it could still be tall for some smaller riders, especially given its weight as well. It may not be a big deal to some but it is at least worth acknowledging if a big bike could be problematic for newer or shorter riders. I do appreciate your feedback though as it definitely helps to round out people's choices as they look for the perfect bike.
@@BeGoneForGood I've seen 5.4 ft guy ride Africa twin and he owns some other dual sport bikes
The seat heights on ktm's are much higher. Even the 790 has a much higher seat height. You can adjust the seat and pre-load
I have a 2020ATAS, has all the bells and whistles. Height no problem. 6’2” here. Enough power for me. Yes it is heavy! Trails maybe a T7 is better. However, I put 5,320 miles on mine in 6 weeks. Guys down in Big Bend had a CRF 250, they were eating up the trails and back roads. Purpose built. Jack of all trades and master of none. Biggest issue for me is the seat hurts my ass after about 3 hours.
As far as adventure bikes go the AT is actually very small and low to the ground (Compared to other literbikes). That is the key reason I got it at 5'10" (178cm) - inseam 32". Agree with the power comments - for me it is underpowered - even compared to an 03 VStrom1000 it feels a bit limp. Hoping a pipe and a tune might help, as well as maybe gearing down. Cheers, Cam from NZ
I love my 2016 manual. 40k miles. Buy the right bike for you. It's not for everyone. It is for me though. It's amazing offroad, but it's not magic so you need to be ready for an "offroad goldwing" which for me, is a big part of the enjoyment. The challenge of doing and not dropping. using that 21" front tire. keeping your momentum, etc. all the things you don't have to worry about on a 250 dual sport are what appeal to me about the AT. And you will be a better rider for it
Off-road Goldwing? That is hilarious and all of a sudden the bike doesn't seem that unmanageable. I have learned so much in a short amount of time when it comes to dealing with off-road environments. I obviously have a long way to go but it feels good knowing some of the basics as they have already improved my riding. The other good news is that I can only really afford to have one bike so I HAVE to manage on the AT no matter what kind of riding I am doing. I certainly do hope that I can get better and better so pickups become less and less.
I wanted to thank you for giving us your thoughts on the video. It helps everyone when you can give honest and interesting feedback about your experiences.
Thanks for posting another interesting video. I'm learning to ride again after 20 years of being away from riding. The Africa Twin is the bike I aspire to own one day. I'm currently riding a Benelli TRK 500cc Adventure motorcycle. It weighs in at 518 lbs without luggage. Picking that up is not easy, but with good technique it is certainly possible without too much of a fight. It has already given me a little practice at the task! The Africa Twin coming from my perspective, is a lighter motorcycle! All of the other points you make are very good and worth consideration. I would say for me, Honda reliability would be my reason to buy one. Everything else is secondary if you are stopped at the side of the road with a dead motorcycle.
Good video, here are my thoughts on your points:
1. Weight: agreed, its not a dirt bike.
2. Engine: I have to disagree. I've owned much more powerful bikes, this engine is great, its got torque and sounds great (a slip on makes it sounds really great). The Tiger 800 feels like an i4 - 600cc engine compared to the AT. The F800GS and even the F850GS has nothing on the AT (and I tried them all back to back): th-cam.com/video/DNpwHjkw5YI/w-d-xo.html (power wheelies in 1st and 2nd gear, try that on any of the other listed bikes ;) ). Sure a KTM 1290 adventure will get you there faster but it weighs almost 100lbs more and offroad you can only put so much power to the ground, and the AT has got plenty of torque and power even for 2 up touring. Its no Tuono, but its no KLR650 either. It doesn't have the low down torque my Scrambler 1200 had, but it's not far from that. In first gear its almost impossible to accelerate aggressively without lifting the front wheel.
3. Height: Its tall, but all my friends can ride it (5'6" and above), seat is adjustable. There's few bikes out there great for us tall rider, this is one of them :)
4. Bells and whistles: Agreed, it could have come better equipped but what I mostly miss on my 2019 is tubeless wheels (easy to fix on the go, no center stand required).
5. Cost: You shouldn't pay full retail price for these (except for the first 4-5 months of a new model), Honda constantly offers rebates on them (got nearly 2000$ off my 2019 this summer). At full price its good value, at a discount, its a bargain. Buying a used one, fully equipped will also save you tons of cash and time.
First off, thank you so much for the feedback. I know it takes time to assemble something like this so I appreciate that effort. I don't know that I ever really considered the weight because riding it, even after the CB500X, seemed easy and fluid. It wasn't until I was dropping it over and over again at Lockhart Basin that I really wished I had something super light...like mountain bike light. It was an empty wish because I had to ride 2000 miles there and back, which the AT was perfect for but when I was hot, sweaty, dehydrated, and tired, I wished I could be lighter.
As far as the engine, I haven't ridden other bikes like you have (that wheelie is awesome) but I had heard a lot about the ho-hum power band. It is MORE than enough to keep me happy, especially coming from the VERY ho-hum CB500X but I know there are others out there wishing for more aggressive capability. I just don't happen to be one of them. My heart pumps every time I get to accelerate from a light even though I have never (intentionally) brought the front wheel up.
Height, I am just glad I am tall. Jocelin proves it doesn't really matter but I am still glad to be tall.
Honestly, the bells and whistles never really bothered me. I spent plenty of years in cars with everything so I kind of like the stripped down bike idea. It makes me feel more like Peter Fonda which is always an aspiration while riding. Cue up the Steppenwolf in the headset.
That is an awesome deal on the 19. I was lucky to get the price I did on a barely used 17 when I did but the prices these days are tough to ignore.
Again, thank you so much for the feedback and taking the time to watch. Good luck on your 19 and if you see a red, white and blue 17 blow by...give a wave.
I'm 5'5" and I own the AT DCT with the low seat and obviously in the low position. I also ride with Rev'It boots and they have a bit of lift to them. I would say the DCT does make it easier not having to deal with putting it in gear and switching feet and all that. I own several dirt bikes with 35" seat heights, so I'm no stranger to the Jocelyn Snow leg hang. Totally doable, but a bit trickier on a 500lbs bike.
But I completely agree you should consider this and I would say for certain, do not buy this as a first bike if you're on the vertically challenged side of life.
great observation
@@thagerm2390, that is a really great point. It is probably a good idea for a smaller rider to get used to Jocelyn's "I am the boss of it" capability on a smaller bike before trying to tame one of the big ones. I am not a short rider at all but I am extremely happy that, basically by dumb luck alone, I got to learn how to ride on a smaller, lighter, slower bike than the AT. I would imagine the same to be true of other new riders regardless of their height.
I want to thank you very much for watching and leaving your feedback for other riders.
Did you really try GS? Cause I tried both and I always loved AT, but F850GSA Rallye killed AT!!!!! Not GS but GSA, completely different bike...
Some harsh comments. Anyone can venture into a track and find that it is insanely slippery. We have chalk in UK and it gets damp and green slime grows on it. You can't even stand up on it. It's like ice. Dry chalk grips really well even on pure road tyres.
I haven't ridden the chalk but we have mud and clay over here that do similar things. If you catch it at just the right amount of wetness it is like ice. Thank you very much for the watch and comment.
I have 32 inch inseam. Installed Soupys lowering links to my AT and adjusted to lower just 1 inch. So much better! Now can flat foot. Changed kickstand to Camel ADV shorter kickstand for more lean. Perfect! Installed Kaoko cruise control and big Garmin LMT 61 GPS car nav on Camel ADV bracket for bells and whistles. Perfect! BMW sells their GPS for $1000 and it is tiny! Cant read it! The DCT is a rocket from a standing start to 60 or so. Only a rider truly ready for a race can keep up.
I love that the AT is accessible for so many riders especially with a few simple modifications. I am curious to hear about the Kaoko because I great super tired of the ride while going through Nebraska this past summer. I have seen great reviews for them but never quite pulled the trigger. I go even cheaper on my GPS by just using my phone. ;-)
Thank you so much for watching and offering your thoughts as well. I am hoping all of these comments as well as the video help others with their choice of bike.
Be Gone For Good The Kaoko would be perfect for Nebraska, just set and forget! It simply adds friction to overcome throttle’s spring return. Once friction is set you can rotate the throttle to any position and it stays. Setting it with pinky finger as advertised can be done but its not easy. I usually let go of throttle to dial in some friction if no one is behind me. Anyway, it beats a throttle lock any day. BTW, phone is indeed best navigator, Garmin is best moving map - always shows speed, speed limit, direction or elevation, road youre on and what intersecting road is coming up next. Id be lost without it (yuk yuk).
That is a pretty solid endorsement of the Kaoko. I might have to pick one up before our next long road trip because it would be nice to take my hand off every now and again. I also should be clear, not that it matters to our convo, but I actually really enjoyed riding across Nebraska this past year. I thought it was going to be a bear but I loved seeing the bright blue sky set against the deep greens all around. It was a perfect day to be riding through and I enjoyed every mile of it far more than I expected. It felt like the very picture of freedom spread out before me so don't jump all over me Nebraska people.
If you know how to ride AT has plenty of power. I never had problems keeping up with ktm and bmw and smiling knowing i spent a lot less of my hard earned cash..Plus I like doing extra mods to make it my own
Maybe that is true but some of those bikes turn more raw power so I would be surprised if the AT could match their quickness or top speeds without some healthy changes to the stock system. Either way, different needs call for different tools and if your goal is to go nuts with your adventure bike, I think you may be happier on an alternative to the AT.
I know people that buy a new bike every year but yet they still struggle on the easiest dirt roads and inclines . Just saying the average rider need not spend so much money . Remember going to last year's rally and some guy drove his bmw off into the woods while the lead rider had a old AT that was killing most of the riders there. Invest in your skill set take lessons and buy a At 🙂.
Totally agree brother, my sports bikes mates are surprised and impressed that the mighty ATAS keeps up with them….. gotta love the big wheel lift off when coming out of the bends whilst rascally giving it some!
Ive worked on bike since 1980 certified mototerc mech I've owned a 22 Africa twin base model 11 months now and I'm old school and trail ride and been through sand and haven't dumped it yet. This is (to me) the best adventure bike for all around and when it wears out after 100k miles or so I will buy a new one . 56 to 62 miles a gallon cruise control lots of bells n whistles and it took time to adjust to what I needed to operate it of my needs. Only thing I will do to it is better seat and maybe 4" higher windscreen rear rack n kriega bags for now. Eng guards are on. But you might want a smaller bike this is your preference not everyone else's no manufacturer is going to build your perfect bike . That's why they have ecseseries and upgrades to build what you want for your bike..
That is sort of my point. Every bike is a tool and sometimes there are better tools for different jobs. Just be sure this is the right tool before going too deep into it.
Very cool video thanks. Background music just very distracting. (just some constructive criticism buddy). But otherwise great vid.
I appreciate it. There are so MANY things I would do differently if I had the chance to do it all over again.
@@BeGoneForGood Ha Ha no worries man, loved everything else, great channel, i even subscribed. Little things can make a good video a GREAT video, haha, keep up the good work.
Great bike. Yes, it is heavy and not nimble. It is fun in the twisties, but it is like muscling an oil tanker around corners once you start getting it over. Great for long distance but not agile.
Very good way to put it. There are obviously trade offs for everything but this bike does the best of hitting all my marks.
So, basically what you’re saying is that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this spectacular bike?
There is nothing “wrong” with the bike but as with all tools, there are wrong times to choose this bike over others.
Got a AT Adv. Sport 2019 manuel, the white grey and black. L.O.V.E. it!!! 🏍🌫😉👍
The white gray and black is super sharp. I have the 17 and love the hell out of my bike. I feel like I am just starting to get to know her after doing my first REAL off-road section this past summer in Utah. Thank you very much for watching and commenting.
I have room for one bike. I picked the 19 Africa twin. I’m a big guy 6’3” 300lbs so it feels just small enough on trails. I love my bike and I think I’ll hold onto it for as long as I can maybe 10-20 years. It have low end power, high end power and it’s reliable. Really my only big issue on the twin is the front suspension and the rear valving. I plan on tuning when I can.
I am getting to the point where a suspension upgrade may be in my future as well. We shall see what the new year brings.
Someone falling 12x a day...and talking about having more experience now...dont know, id go back to offroad school being you
The Utah BDR was my off-road school and I think my buddies are going to make me go back. This time I will bring a lot more water though. ;-)
Dude .....falling is part of it ......if you aren't falling down you are riding too easy of a trail.
I last rode rentals about 10 years ago at age 30
haven't ridden after a gym slip disc incident.
But I wanna ride NOW for a few years before the Chinese kill me.
How is the Africa twin on the back and spine on
tarmac / cement /
bad roads / potholes
I love my 2018 Adventure Sports! Yes, it's heavy. Yes, it's tall. You need to be comfy getting one foot down at stops to really use this bike correctly. But what an engine! What a ride! And who buys an ugly bike? She's stunning to look at.
My first bike is a ktm 390 adv, really hope to get the AT one day. Checked out at the dealership, the size is absolutely intimidating, but I'm sure I'd get use to it
You would indeed because the bike, though big, is very manageable. I bumped up from a CB500X and had a little learning curve to get used to more power but it was pretty quick.
@@BeGoneForGood Thanks for the reply! Funny enough, the seat height between my 390 and AT was pretty similar, just a bigger bike. Love that tri color 😍
Used 2019 Africa twin dct 30k kilo or new 2022 klr650 Adventure for an rtw 80/20 trip?
This is SUCH a hard question to answer because I don't really know what it is you want out of your journey. I will tell you how I ended up going with the bigger Africa Twin as opposed to my original CB500X. I was traveling through Mexico and Central America and had so many instances where I wanted more power on demand from the bike. I was okay getting a heavier bike. I was okay getting a taller bike. I just wanted more power. If you are going to be doing 80% roads, I would choose the AT but I might be looking for very different things than you are. If the 20% is just fire roads and gravel then the AT doesn't really have a downside. If the 20% is more aggressive and you might drop the bike and have to pick it up, my guess is that you would be much happier with the lighter KLR. Either way, you are getting a capable bike and one you will have a ton of fun on. Good luck.
Aha I'm 6'2" and I can BARELY flat-foot the bike on the low seat setting. That said, it's nice to know that I have a bike that only 30% of the population would be comfortable on.
Whats your inseam? I'm 5-11 and have no problem on the high seat setting
Just have 2 bikes: Africa Twin or GS for long road trips with light trails, and something like an old Honda 250 CRF for off-road fun. Easy to pick up, won't break, and if anything snaps it's cheap and easy to replace yourself.
Followed a similar bike lineage with the CB500X then 20,000km later went for the ATAS-DCT. Yes its heavy, but I can still lift it, yes its tall but that what I was looking for. Power it has more than I can sensibly use. As Jay Bee says it is not a light weight dual sport, but it is a great all-round tourer that can handle the off road.
I totally agree with your sentiments. There were only a few times on Lockhart Basin that I was lamenting my choice of such a heavy bike but that had a lot more to do with me being unprepared than the bike itself. I love the AT for all the reasons you mentioned because it does everything I want it to do plus so much more I haven't even touched yet. I look forward to plenty more adventures on my bike from here. Thank you so much for stopping by and leaving feedback.
spot on man, very good advices. I had a 2018 AT and those are exactly the 5 things I didn't like.
Did you change bikes or were those things just minor annoyances with an already great bike?
I switched to another bike
Thanks, Just 2 weeks ago I sold my africa twin 2017 for those 5 reasons. Now I bought an F 850 GS full equiped. Lighter and with digital display, tire pressure indicator, cruise control, etc, etc. Thanks for your video, now I am sure that what I did is fine. I am Leo from Argentina.
Great to meet you Leo and I am glad the vid was useful for you. I have heard great things about the 850GS. It is a really nice bike and you will have a great ride for a long time.
2020 Africa Twin weighs 505lbs.
They’re is two types of duel sport riding. One is short trips or day trips in your local area. Two is cross county trips.
If you’re more of a day trip guy and ride hard core off road, them a small DS bike is by far the way to go. Now I’m not saying a big Adventure bike can’t do hard core stuff but you will need the skill set too, and a day on a big bike in rough stuff, trying to keep up with small DS bikes will definitely test your physical condition.
If you like to travel cross county and do fire roads and jeep trails, them the big Adventure bikes is the way to go.
A small DS bike on the asphalt for days is Just not near as comfortable... at least for me.
So, I think what I need is ADV in the streets and DS in the creeks (sorry that was the best rhyme I could come up with on short notice...)
I am stuck with the big ADV bike but I can definitely improve rider skill at this point because I am basically starting from zero. It should be pretty exciting to see if I can improve or if I continue to make bad choices.
I appreciate the feedback and watch.
Be Gone For Good
It does take time. I’ve been riding for 50 years. Raced just about every type of motorcycle racing there is and still love riding.
Life is a journey... enjoy the ride!
Very true Husk. Very true.
BAM. I bought a used 06 1200GS and a very used 93 XR650L for just under $9K total. Horses for courses as the Brits say. The more time I spend on the XR, the better I get at taking the GS into the rough. Though picking up the XR 4 or 5 times in a couple hours does get hard...she aint no lightweight and keeps me looking at Craigs for a good deal on a 250 =D
@@orangelion03, I have heard about how much off-road riding can help all other types of riding. I know I spent a little time on some squishy gravel and felt so much better when I got back to the road. I would love to have a smaller dirt bike to bomb around and learn on but I am stuck on the AT all the time. I just have to get better on that bike.
Great to see honest reviews from people that own the actual bike. I too, had and sold the AT because of the weight. Now, if you do not ride back country adventure you will disagree, but with out a doubt a lighter, more manageable bike for that riding is so much nicer. From comfort, safety, picking up alone, water crossings, over a snow section, and just for rider enjoyment. Look, if you like the at off road and swear its the best for you, try a lighter more off road able adventure bike like the 790 or t7. And get ready for the obvious. Far more fun to ride. If you think your good on an AT off road, you'll be alot better on the ktm or T7.
I appreciate the feedback and I just thought it would be good to get some of the reasons out there why people might need to reconsider their choice depending on what they value in a bike. I didn't realize when I first bought the bike but you are completely right if you want to do off-road often this bike is crazy heavy.
The only real complaint I have with my AT is the stupid heat shield for the catalytic converter. I wear a size 15 so when I ride on the balls of my feet my heel hits it and pitches it out diagonal. If it wasn’t for that annoyance I’d love the bike.
I only wear a 13 but I have similar issues for sure. I can't imagine how bad it would be at 15. ;-)
I am 5'7 and I ride a AT. I bought the optional lower seat and have it in the low position. This combo knocks 2" off the seat height
Yeh, it can definitely be done and the low seat helps for sure. Jocelin Snow rides a HUGE GS and she is barely 5'2" so skill can get you anywhere for sure.
The AT weighs 230kg, the KTM 890 weighs 210kg, BMW GS 850 is 240 kg ana so on....even the Yam T700 is 206 kg... all way too heavy but the AT is not heavier than even smaller bikes..
Been riding my Africa Twin since 2016. I’ve ridden several difficult trails and I’ve yet to drop it twelve times in one ride. I’d suggest you try the new Trail 90.
It might not have actually been a full twelve but I will tell you it certainly felt like it as the water was dwindling and the sun was going down. I am thinking the Trail 90 would have made the ride a bit more fun and worst case, I could have thrown it over my shoulder and walked it out.
Love my AT 2016 the only complaint I have is why did they not put 12v power Access in the bike at factory and what were they thinking on where they put the air filters Access but still all and all love my AT
That is completely true. It seems like a simple addition that wouldn't have been expensive to add when all the plastic was off during assembly. That is probably why it HAS been added to all the new models.
I’ll add to the fact that the height is something that can be something that needs to be managed. I’m 5’ 11”, bought the low seat, and still can’t flat foot both feet. Best bike in the world to me. But it is a tall boi. Definitely took some work to get comfortable after starting on a triumph Bonnie.
It is definitely a big bike but manageable once you get used to it. I appreciate you leaving some added context and feedback to the video for others to check out. It is very helpful to see everyone's different opinions on the AT.
I´m 6´1" and in reality, only adv bikes fit me really well. I´m considering the 1000 Africa Twin. Love the colors, especially the blue one.
There are some good bikes with DCT under 10.000€ where I live.
Don´t have that kind of money yet and it´s quite a lot for a used bike, but it will surely never go wrong on me.
This is a GREAT bike if you are okay with the things mentioned here. I still love mine.
@@BeGoneForGood Thank you. Did you have any problems with the spokes or tubes? I‘d rather have tubeless cast wheels but maybe they are not so bad.
No problems at all and I have ridden som pretty rough areas. I have been very happy with every stock part other than the pegs.
I love my 2018 African twin dct
Me too. Well not your AT but mine. I do recognize though that not everyone will find this the best tool for the job. Hopefully we can all find our soul bikes.
Good points and well explained. I’ve navigated my BMW 1250 adventure through numerous miles of sugar sand and know what you’re talking about!
I own a 2018 Africa Twin with DCT transmission. The overall usefulness of the bike is excellent. DCT is great for heavily congested city roads.
I have the DCT too and have been super impressed with the bike. There obviously are good and bad places to take the bike but it does a solid job with everything I have thrown at it so far.
As some guys said - if those are the reasons for skipping it, then its a damn good bike. Its not a "bikes problem" that You are too short for it, or weak for picking it up. Just know where you gonna go with it, and decide on bike choice accordingly. Power - it is very balanced allrounder, nothing to add. And not having cruise and USB port is so minor... just add them youself.
That is true that it isn’t the bikes fault but if those elements become issues for a person then this definitely isn’t the right bike for them. Ultimately, we all have to decide what kind of ride we are shooting for and pick the best ride accordingly.
Funny how people get worked up over things like this. But they miss the point. Just because a 5'2 woman can ride the bike well doesn't mean it is good for her or other shorter riders. Lets see her pick it up and get back on it when it laying on its side and no crew to help out. I'm 5' 7" tall and avoided the At because of the seat height and top heavy feel. It's not lack of experience that lead me to this decision. It is the opposite, I've been riding for 35 years and I am realistic about my skills and what can happen when riding off road alone. You have to be able to Handle the bike... not just ride it.. if you can't pick it up or drag it around into a better position after falling ( which you will do ) then you should be on a different bike.
I totally agree and it has been very informative for me to see the reactions to what I thought was pretty benign points. It has been an amazing run. Jocelin is a freak of nature to ride that BMW the way she does but I wouldn't say that is typical for most riders. There is a point where we all have to make decisions about what we want versus what we are willing to sacrifice. There is no such thing as a perfect bike but there is the best bike for what we want to do. Find that spot and you will undoubtedly be happy.
Yes, it's quite heavy but not more than a GS and yet , there is always a technic on how to lift it. Position well and use your legs strength or drift it off downhill if that's the case. AT is my dream bike and I can wait to hit the road with my kids.
Seriously? Those are the 5 CONS? You are lucky it's free to post. How about the 2022 hu? Based on your complaints, there's just the weight problem, which can be solved if you go to the gym and put some muscle on your bones.. Power, price, and all the rest DONE!
I don't know what you mean that the power, price, and all the rest are done. I get that the tech has caught up to many of the other bikes but power and price are always going to be factors when dealing with different bikes.
Your pretty much spot on with this one. But I'll be keeping my AFRICA Twin
great video, gas n go reliability is what makes this bike a world beater
I totally agree. I love knowing that the Honda will just go no matter what.
I'm pretty sure the AT has the option for the lowest seat height in its class and across most dual-sport motorcycles, without touching suspension.
I think you are correct and if you are going to be in this class of bike, the AT is probably your best "low option" for sure. If, however, the size is a big issue, there are other, smaller, bikes you can try out to make the ride a little easier. Or you could just be like Jocelin Snow and command the big bikes regardless of size. ;-)
As an Africa Twin owner, I think the characteristics you described are fair to call out. They are also reasons that make the Africa twin the right bike for what I am after. I was concerned about the weight and height but found the height OK once I set the seat in the lower position (I am 5'10"). I only find the weight a problem in gnarly off road situations. On "adventurous" roads the bike is stable and easy to handle. It can carry extra weight and I have been happy when riding all day on the bike when I get off and don't feel worn out. You can even through a pillion on and the bike won't struggle (unlike smaller off road capable bikes)
You are completely correct with all your assessments of the AT. The only time I had an issue with the weight was picking it up over and over again when we did some really nasty off-road stuff. On the road, we did tons of miles traveling across the country and I was amazed how easy it was on the AT. Every bike is a trade of various different capabilities and I think the AT is the best mixture possible for the types of riding that I do most often.
Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment. I really appreciate it.
The whole point of the AT is that it CAN do everything. With lighter bikes the power and protection isn't there.
It can do everything but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it should or that it is the best tool for various other jobs. I am a big fan of everything it can do but there are times where I wish for different capabilities. It is a great all rounder though.
Everything? Ever tried riding in Mississippi gumbo. It kind of has that snowball effect. Your tires ball up then your wheels clog up to the point your wheels stop turning. Then when you get off the road you hit the bad stuff.
1st I am not sure how many times YOU ll drop down with this bike so it’s gonna be really hard for you to lift it up. 2nd as you said now that you’re a bit more experienced try another bike that suits you and of course 3rd try to avoid it as you are too tall and talk with Honda or Yamaha etc to release a bike for your height. Just remind you 2018 Africa twin bike of the year!
Great video! I think some people got defensive because the title makes it sound like the AT is inferior to the KTM, Triumph, BMW. Most of the flaws you pointed out apply to new riders or riders looking to off-road primarily which if that is you then any bike Over 700 is not the bike for you
Andrew, these are very good points you've made. It is true that most of the "issues" I bring up in the video have more to do with big bikes than they do with the AT specifically. Unfortunately, I have only ever been on a couple of bikes so I didn't include the other bikes in this category in the review but I definitely should have mentioned what you stated for clarity. Thank you very much for watching and taking the time to leave feedback.
Well said.
You've got me a little worried about my own bike choice WRT weight and picking it up. I plan on getting a Royal Enfield Himalayan. 420 pounds, then add luggage and crash bars... I'm not a new rider, but I haven't ridden in 20 years and never off pavement. I wonder now if a light dual sport is a better choice, but the Himalayan is SO PRETTY. I hope it works out for me and I hope you stay well and have fun out there. Thanks for the video.
I am so glad you left a comment because I am sure others have had similar worries about their bike choice. Let me say this, it all depends on what type of riding you are looking to do and what sacrifices you are willing to make.
Obviously, there is no perfect bike out there that can do everything well so we have to decide our tradeoffs. For me, the AT is a great choice because MOST of my riding will be on the road over potentially long distances so I need something that can handle the road well. I am also interested in moderate to heavy off-road portions which the AT can do but its a bit tougher because the bike is heavy. That is my tradeoff.
If you are looking to do a lot more off-road than one of these big bikes probably isn't the best choice but it is all up to the individual rider.
Whatever bike you choose, you will find the good and bad with it over time. It is only a problem if the good you find isn't better than the bad you find. Good luck and thank you again for your feedback.
Dumping a bike off road is normal.
Lift the bike with it behind you, with your heels dug in, not facing it. Its the only way to lift a 600 lb. GS. Also, always lay it down on the uphill side if possible.🙂 sometimes, in the sand, I would have to take off some bags, it was a bich.
All sorts of different options but no matter what...it is a tough lift.
Couple of things you missed:
1. The 2016 and 2017 models have a big problem with the long term reliability if the front forks, the inner anodization along the lower triple tree clamp is prone to premature wear which causes some degree of stiction. Some owners (myself included) report that the stiction issue is showing up relatively early in the bike's life lets say around the first factory service at 16k. I personally rebuilt my forks at that time due to a blown seal and noticed the wear as well as the resulting stiction however I have managed by rotating the fork bodies 10degrees every once in a while
2. The Africa twin is prone to drive shaft wear. I have 33k on the clock and am now looking into having the motor removed and the transmission rebuilt due to this issue. Not acceptable Honda!
I love this bike, its perfect for me in nearly every way but Honda let me down with this. I do ride off road about 30 percent of the time and use the bike to commute for work long distance cross country. I have modified her to suit that role and added cruise control, wind protection, luggage, etc and have it suitably kitted out to properly go off road as well with crash protection, skidplate, bark busters and the right tires.
No suspension mods, no gearing mods, no engine mods. I also do all the maintenance myself and follow the factory guidelines as such.
Whoa, this is bad news. I am still a ways below your 33k but am heading toward 16k now. I hadn't heard this before but I want to thank you for bringing this to my attention. I hadn't heard these complaints about the bike before but it is good info to have for potential buyers. I appreciate you watching the vid and leaving valuable feedback.
Good to know. You would think EVERY KTM breaks down every ride-- unless you are riding the KTM in The Dakar 1000 race--then you just win that grueling race for the 17th year in a row--and any Honda never breaks. You comment adds a little balance.
After watching the MotoNomad series I would think KTMs are bulletproof. They beat those things like crazy but I have always had a soft spot for the Hondas. I really hope I never run into Anjin's problems because that might ruin me for the red. It is good to see all experiences here though so we can have a better overall view of these bikes pros and cons.
@@BeGoneForGood it is a common issue in Australia.
I am 5' 6". The first test ride was on AT Adventure Sports. For me that was at the limit. I own a 2018 AT and started with standard seat in the low setting considering the optional low seat. After a few rides I reconsidered. The standard seat now is in the high setting. I am satisfied with the power and even more with the smooth power curve when rolling on throttle. As you said that is about preference.
Coming from the XLR 750 AT height was not a real concern. As a short rider on tall bikes you learn balance.
It is awesome to hear from a smaller rider on the AT. I could see how the height could take some balance capability. I am happy with the power too but I could see how it could leave a little to be desired from folks craving speed.
@@BeGoneForGood Those tall ADVs are actually easy to balance. They have excellent feedback and a good response to steering inputs. For a shorter rider keeping balance just comes easier to mind than dabbing. I had a couple of situation where that saved me from dropping the bike.
In my neck of the woods the speed limit on the streets is at 60 mph max. The AT can go at twice that speed. That´s fast enough for me. For folks craving speed a big ADV may not be the right tool anyways. That´s what supersports and hypernakeds are for.
As I forgot to mention it in the first comment: I think you made valid points in the video. All of them are a matter of personal choice. I did not perceive them as complaints.
For sure. Thank you again for the feedback as it is very helpful, not just to me, but also others looking at this for a potential bike.
I agree with everything. However, in my case it is PLENTY POWERFUL. I test rode an older Super Tenere, and it was way too much for me. I then rode the CB500X, which felt like home, but had NO power by comparison. A few minutes later I rode the AT, and it felt near perfect in the get up and go arena. Now that I’m an owner of a 2019, and loving it, I’m also keeping my eyes open for something lighter, that makes me feel safer.
I feel the same way about the power because I don't need much to be happy especially after coming off the CB500X. The new lighter, baby AT could be the perfect fit for guys like us. Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment.
I'm also only 5'-6" with an AT - DCT (2017). I occasionally think about selling it because of the weight. Then I decide to keep it because of the DCT! For low speed riding on the trails, the DCT has saved me from stalling/falling more times than I'd like to admit. Most dirt bikes I've owned are just as tall as the AT, and I'm sure if I practiced perfect clutch control, stalling wouldn't be a problem. But I'm not great at it, and the DCT solves it! Also, most standard dual-sports are geared too high for tight trails, so you gear it down, and its rev's too high on the highway. DCT solves for this too.
I never really had the “I’m selling it moment” because even when I was struggling with the bike’s weight, I knew I still had a long comfortable ride home afterwards. I think if I was going to be doing regular, hard-core off road, I’d look for a second lighter bike. As it stands, most of my riding is going to be road based so the big bike is perfect.
I also agree about the DCT. It was such a great asset off road and allowed me to deal with my inexperience on a dozen other levels and not worry about the clutch. Life saver for those of us not in the highly proficient category.
Thank you so much for dropping by and leaving a line. It is great to see feedback from all different riders and their thoughts on the bike.
@@BeGoneForGood Thanks for taking the time to reply to the comments! Perhaps I should add, "this is my second, lighter bike" lol. First bike is a GoldWing, weighs about twice as much! Had to pick it up once... had to get 2 other guys to help, hopefully THAT never happens again!
That is hilarious. I can’t imagine the AT being my downsized bike. I have heard great things about the GW and I think if I ever started traveling WITH my wife I’d probably consider going that route because I imagine it’s a spectacular ride.
If I drop it though, I will be selling it right there where it lays.
2 of these gripes, weight and seat height are for Adv bikes in general. In fact many other bikes are heavier and higher in this same class. The only legitimate complaint is number four.
You are completely right and not that it was fair at all but I was talking about bike OUTSIDE of its class. Ultimately, there might be a better tool for a rider if they were shorter or wanted a lighter bike. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan and willing to deal with the heavier bike but some others might find that trade off difficult.
I appreciate the feedback because each and every thought about this bike can probably help a potential buyer looking at options.
if so, those reasons can be the same to skip almost all bikes !!! AT is a great bike, it's the most capable offroad among the big adventure range of bikes, the power it has is plenty to do all rides, you can cruise at 130kmh comfortably
Very true. These issues could be the same for almost any big ADV bike. The problem is I haven't ridden EVERY other ADV bike. I have ridden this one and in doing a pro/con list, I could only really speak about the AT.
Thanks for the vid. Looking at buying one. Why on earth are all the bikes so tall these days. Was never like this through the 70s & 80s. Surely they can offer good ground clearance without sending you to the sky? What's wrong with manufacturers that they do this? Would be doable, surely, to make a setup like the DR650 where the height can be dropped with a simple suspension adjustment OR have an adjustable height seat (not a separate 'low' one). Anyway, they could sell more bikes if the bikes simply fitted more people. People like me at 167cm (5'6in).
It’s funny because I have the same question but in the opposite direction because I’m 6’5” and so many of these bikes seem cramped. I am surprised that there isn’t a little more flexibility in the sizing structures of these bikes to fit more bodies. I guess we will just have to rely on the modification field to help us out.
Good video subbed and liked I just bought traded my Z1000 in for a 2017 Africa Twin DCT 2 days ago so far I'm loving it...I'm 6ft and 63 it is a huge heavy bike for sure but I'm never going to be off road I don't fancy picking it up...I have trouble with my left hand after surgery so that's why I went for DCT .
I am glad you are riding and enjoying the DCT. It was a few weeks of riding when I first realized that with the DCT you really don't even need a left hand or left foot. There are so many options for future riders and I really appreciate your feedback on this vid.
There is one major drawback not only in modern adventure bikes but all motorbikes they are overcomplicated, if they break down you are buggered , it is that simple. I was brought up on British bikes. that means when you went out for the day with your mates if one of them broke down which always happens, you could fix it by the roadside and carry on enjoying your day, modern bikes if they break down that it your day is over.
Modern motorbikes are not people friendly there is nothing practical about them any more.
They are deliberately designed so they cannot be home service, it is why the prices for carburetor motorbikes is going skyhigh because they can be home service.
Something that motorcycle manufacturers are losing sight of because of greed.
the people who can afford these motorbikes have the money to have them serviced but the trouble is the second ,third, fourth and fifth hand motorcycle market don't have that money that's why the bikes they buy they must be able to service themselves.
So sooner or later you going to have a load of modern second-hand motorbikes standing dormant in showrooms and people with money who usually trade them in every two years for the latest model will not be able to do so, because the dealer can't move them on because there is no one to sell them to.
it is a knock-on effect that modern motorcycle manufacturers haven't caught on to, it is the second, third, fourth and fifth second-hand market that keeps the motorcycle market afloat if they disappear then you will end up with a buy and scrap scheme, there will be no second, third,fourth or fifth second-hand. and that will make motorbike extremely's expensive to buy to begin with.
I agree with your points about bikes becoming more and more advanced and complicated. I do think I disagree though with your assessment of their motives. I honestly believe we are kind of getting the bikes we asked for to some degree. It is these bikes that make the tent of riders so much wider. When bikes were as much about turning a wrench as riding, only mechanics and grease monkeys would ride. Now with these bikes that are capable of enormous miles with relatively little demand other than general maintenance, all can and want to ride. I could be wrong but I think these bikes make riding more accessible and not less.
I would also take issue with your idea that more bikes out there somehow raises the cost of those bikes. If the supply goes up while demand stays the same then costs will drop. Maybe it takes awhile for those benefits to bleed down to other countries with less resources to spend on these more expensive bikes but it will happen. Innovations and improvements help us all and I don't know that curtailing that in an effort to keep bikes affordable for all is the right way to look at it.
That is just my thoughts on it but you bring up some really great points. This is exactly why I love this community here at Be Gone For Good because these issues are important to us all and my sole opinion obviously isn't worth much but together we might get some answers. Thank you very much for stopping by, watching and leaving your feedback.
@@BeGoneForGood The system you embrace is based on personal greed and selfishness.
it is called economic growth. it is a parasitic system. ( Parasite... a lifeform that feeds of other lifeforms which if they didn't exist it couldn't exist.... a parasite)
The society you live in is based on a parasitic system that's why you have a few rolling in luxury while the rest either scrape a living or wallow in poverty.
if you take the people who are scraping a living or wallowing in poverty out of the equation then the people living in luxury could not live in luxury because there'd be nothing to feed off.
Wow...for a second there I wasn’t sure if this was still an adventure motorcycle channel or not. I think you bring up a very interesting point of view when it comes to the differences we will all have to face as we do more and more traveling. I’m not exactly sure what “system” you are tying me to but let me assume to some degree it’s American or capitalism at large, if that isn’t accurate, please let me know.
The way I think your analogy falls down is that a parasite doesn’t give you the choice whether you would like to participate or not. I am a part of the system because I choose to be. I own a “complicated” bike because I want the more complicated bike. We as a group have chosen to push manufacturers to make ever more complicated bikes because as the public, that is what we are buying. The companies making those bikes aren’t forcing them on us. If people didn’t want a bike that was made, for whatever reason, they could choose to not buy it and the company would quickly learn that the particular bike isn’t desired enough to produce more.
You are right that capitalism can be centered around greed but it also centered around figuring out the best most efficient way to provide value to your fellow man in order to voluntarily create a transactional relationship which works for both of you.
I don’t know what alternative that could ever be suggested that is better for all over that system.
Of course, if you were talking about be being a part of a different “system” then please disregard everything above. ;-)
@@BeGoneForGood Neither does the society you live in have a choice. because it doesn't matter which political party you vote in you get the same system. so where is your choice even if you don't vote like me you still have to live within the same system.
so society is just like the victim of a parasite, whether they vote or don't they can't escape what's going to happen.
On the 23 June 2016 the whole of the UK population was given a great big smack across the face with reality.
that showed them that their vote means nothing, yet they are still running to the voting booth to vote, talk about been a brainwashed society.
The best solution to benefit us all is to reduce our population down to an acceptable level that this landmass we live on and rely on can naturally support. that would benefit everyone.
You're right. For capitalism to work with a fiat currency as it's basis the population must continue to expand. The more people the more destruction. You would have to figure we are running headlong into a disastrous ending
The alternative system is a community system where everybody works for the good of everybody else unlike today where everybody works for the good of themselves by using everybody else, it is why I said it is a parasitic system.
You have a species made up of billions of individuals all operating on the one principle them and only them. that's why the world is in a mess and getting worse .
I can't believe we are about to do this right here on a channel dedicated to adventure motorcycling but here we go.
I am going to have to go on an assumption here because it wasn't exactly cleared up this last go around. I am assuming the system you are talking about is Capitalism broadly. Let me get into this point by point if I can.
You do have a choice to live in a capitalistic system or not as there are alternatives out in the world. Now I will concede that getting to North Korea or others may not be financially possible for some but that wasn't the choice I was talking about. Even while you live in a capitalist system, you are not forced to PARTICIPATE in the system. You can choose to avoid Amazon. You can choose to avoid Apple. You can stay off TH-cam and Facebook and Twitter and thousands of other "parasitic" capitalist forces. You can grow your own food and live like Ted Kaczynski in the woods if you choose. No one FORCES you to buy anything. You make the choice to what degree you want to be a part of the capitalist system.
I don't know exactly what you mean when you say UK should have realized their vote didn't count. They voted to approve Brexit and it got approved. The powers that be have continued to drag their feet which is discouraging but I think a little prudence is probably reasonable and not necessarily a reason to abandon the whole system as brainwashed. Maybe I am wrong as I don't stay up on UK politics and such.
I have always loved this notion that our population is too big and people saying it must be "reduced." How do you suggest this reduction happens? Are we talking about better birth control? Euthanasia? Genocide? It would help to know what measures are worth saving us from a disastrous ending.
I don't believe population HAS to grow to feed capitalism. It isn't necessary as the number of people worldwide isn't a factor on whether the system is effective. Capitalism works between 2 people, 200 people, 2 thousand, 2 million or 2 billion as it is simply and at its core a simple trade of value for value. Nothing more.
A community system relies on altruism of all components and if history has taught us anything, rarely has banking on altruism been a good idea especially as those in power recognize their total authority. Show a system where this has worked outside of a marriage (even those get pretty rocky at times) and I will be willing to discuss further.
Lastly, you talk about the the mess this world is in but I don't know really what you are referencing. You can look at almost any conceivable metric and our world is on the upswing in significant ways. Health? Up. Poverty? Down. Violence? Down. Mobility? Up. Access? Up. And on and on and on. Our world is far better off now than 20 years ago or 50 or 100. This point is illustrated beautifully with this simple question, would you rather live today on whatever salary you currently make or live as Rockefeller in the close of the 19th century where dysentary, polio, measles, old age at 50, and outdoor commodes were the standard? I haven't done a straw poll but I would be much happier today. We as a society have advanced so far, so quickly and as trite as it sounds, a rising tide indeed raises all boats.
Again, I may be wrong but I am pretty certain that Honda isn't trying to bring down humanity by adding cruise control to the new Africa Twin. Just a thought.
You are perfectly right about "The right tool for the right job!" Even that you can take a heavy bike like the AT out on single trails and real offroad (=terrain), this is not what that category of bikes are originally designed for. In German those bikes like AT, GS &Co are called "Reiseenduro", that is a comfortable, long distance travel/touring bike for all kinds of roads - paved and unpaved. KTM has even put he 790R in the category "travel"! And ues, a very able rider can take almost any bike anywhere, but for us average guys and girls lighter is better when the going gets tough. The most ridculous thing I have seen in this context is people mounting electric winches on heavy bikes, to get hem out of the ditch. And if you cant lift your own bike under even slightly awkward conditions without technical gadges, better get a lighter one!
I have seen some of those good riders doing all sorts of amazing things with these big ADV bikes. That is when I realized that it is definitely the rider that determines the "best bike" but there are obviously better options in every circumstance. Those winches are a pretty funny by product of bigger and bigger bikes. I am just glad I can handle the AT enough to pick it up even when I drop it over and over and over again.
It’s like you said right tool for the right job an AT is a big bike with a big engine if you are doing serious off road get a KTM or something else light but for medium / long distance trips in comfort and trail
Riding it’s hard to beat I love mine
I agree. There are trade offs but for the type of riding I do and what I need out of a bike, the AT is a monster.
Love my 2020 AT 1100. CC adjustable suspension, android auto, Great bike! plenty of power.
It is a really great bike. I have the 2017 and have been very satisfied. I can't wait to upgrade to a newer model in a few years.
I think the main issue with the AT is that people don't understand what the bike was built for, Honda didn't build it as a rocket, they built it as an Adventure bike, which means getting it out away from civilization, and it is nearly perfect for what it was designed to do. Honda designed the engine to travel the world. Could they have given it more power? of course, but designed it with a lower compression ratio so it can run fine on shit 3rd world gasoline, try some of that in your big KTM or Ducati and see how well it runs. Pretty much any bike with decent suspension is gonna be tall, the bike wasn't built for doing single track but is as capable as any adventure at doing so, I also ride a GS and the AT is about 100 lbs lighter and more nimble while maintaining the comfort on the highways, I could go on but you get the picture, oh and did I mention Honda reliability?
You are 100% right and that was sort of the point of the video. I like to think of the bikes as tools for experience. There are some tools that are good for certain jobs and bad for others. It is up to us to determine what we want from our tools and if it matches our desire for experience. The AT may not be the best for everything but it can accomplish almost anything pretty well.
I love my 2016 DCT and will probably never get rid of it but I agree nearly 100% with your assessment of the Africa Twin. Especially in the power department. My bike is more powerful and much more capable as a machine than I am as a rider but after riding with guys on big KTMs that can just roll the throttle into a power wheelie on a whim does bring about a small bit of jealousy. I just did a 950 mile weekend with a wide range of sand, mud, gravel, and blacktop. My bike was not the best at anyone surface but provided me with an awesome experience.
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And you wont be jealous of the KTM reliability :)
Speedy, now you're just showing off. ;-)
I appreciate the watch and feedback Jim. I ride with a guy on a KTM and I have had those same pangs when he blasts off of a light. I am happy with the AT but I could see how someone interested in power might see the KTM and want to go that route instead. I am content keeping both wheels on the ground and making sure I get home every night.
I think you talked me out of it. And that's a good thing. I'm a novice rider that needs practice. Maybe the CB500X is better for me.
I can’t say specifically for you but I know that I’m VERY happy that I learned and spent some time on a CB500X before moving on to the AT. I found more than enough trouble on the 500.
Thanks. I felt you gave a fair and honest tutorial.
Thank you very much. I appreciate the feedback and glad you agree with my assessment. It wasn’t easy because I love this bike so much but every positive has a downside as well.
I have an NC 750x. Was looking at an upgrade to AT. Glad you posted this before I went and traded. I think I have plenty of bike for the riding I do.
Yeh, there was a point at which I knew I wasn't happy with my current bike so I stepped up to the AT. It might still be a good fit for you but if you are content with what you have, I would say don't risk it.
I love my 2019 AT, and I'm pretty sure that my next adv bike will be another AT.
I am a huge fan of mine as well. When the time comes a new AT is certainly on my radar.
@@BeGoneForGood 😁👍👊
As an owner - these are are SUPER valid points. Its still a fantastic bike though.
Totally agree! It is my baby but it isn't for everyone for sure.
Can someone explain to me the word "afford ". Like if you have the money but you have other things to do or you think the bike is overpriced and does not want to pay 17k for it. 17k can get you a car .
I will take a shot with this but I don't know if my explanation will help at all. When I talk about affording the bike it carries two meanings really. First would be whether you have the money to begin with to buy the bike. The second would be if it hits enough of the "wants" you have to make it something worthwhile for you to spend your money on. It is an expensive bike and there are cheaper options that will take you 80% of the way to its capability. Each rider has to determine if they see the value in that higher priced bike.
I have a 2014 V Strom 1000, weight is a huge deal for me, picking it up on a incline, leaves, mud sucks! But love the power..
I am pretty sure any of these bikes are going to be tough to pick up over and over again. I guess that is why they keep telling me to just stop falling off. ;-)
You had to nick pick this bike to find 5 "problems" I'm getting an AT on Tuesday. Best bike I know, plus it is Honda reliable and simple to maintain.
I wouldn’t call them nitpicks but they certainly don’t apply to everyone. It is a great bike and you will be very happy with it, I’m sure.
It is a heavy beast if youre not used to these tall heavy adv bikes
So what you're saying, if you're small or inexperienced and want to ride hard terrain, not for you. If looking for a bigger bike, they are all heavy?? It's got just the right amount of electronics ( less to go wrong) and very adequate power. Had a few bikes and absolutely love it..
I’m in the market for a bike. Moving possibly soon to Austria from central america and I have not ridden in about three yrs. I did have a 2013 R1200GS and a 2008 DYNA 1600 that I loved but where I live having these bikes makes little sense. I am considering a new AT or a used GS. I would vote for the AT because its a honda and reliability is not usually an issue. With GS’s thats not necessarily the case sometimes. Great vid by the way! I have not ridden the AT so any heads up is always a plus.
That is such a hard choice but I am clearly very biased. I love my Africa Twin so I would almost always suggest going that route. Reliability and reasonable prices for fixes is what really drew me to the bike because I didn't plan on spending tons on the bike after purchase (I'll let you all know how the 16k service goes).
I would imagine with the long distances you can do throughout Europe a good long range bike would be a top priority. I am sure either will do just fine for your needs but I can't imagine a better choice than the AT. Good luck with that tough choice though.
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Interesting, for the past 3.5 years i have been riding a drz 400s (before that i had a zzr 1200 for about 8 years and about 80 k miles before i sold it) a few days ago i came back from a trip UT. I left Vegas and headed to Fillmore UT, found a spot in the mountain and camped for the night, next day left to go to Echo canyon reservoir NV, spent 1 hour there fishing and went back to vegas that is still 3.5 hours away. It took me a bit longer as i had to stop for gas. On my way to UT and back to vegas it was really windy with gust above 25 mph. My bike loaded with gear it was not much fun riding as it woobled quite a bit and was riding below the 80 mph speed limit. Several time the bike could not go over 70 mph because of the wind. Even with my after market gas tank (4 gal instead of 2.5) to be safe i had to stop for gas every 100 miles. My round trip was 690 miles and i was beat.( i used to do 650 miles day trips on my zzr 1200) all that to say that yes it can be done on smaller bike but it is not that much fun.
Loaded with a lots of gear, is also not a good idea to try anything hard off road (small bike or big one)
I ride a lot in the vegas desert and we get pretty much everything but dark mud (here is some typr of clay and very very slippery) so when the author said he fell 12 times in one ride its not about his skill level but more like a bad decision to take that trail and everyone of us (tge one that actually go ride a lot in tge desert) have made the same mistake regardless of the size of our bike. The seat height on tge drz is just a tad higher than the AT which is fine for me af 5"7 BUT if you are off road then the combination of seat height and the AT weight then it may become a problem. Ill probably change bike in about a year, my choice will be betwesn the AT and the Suzuki 1050 xt depending on the price. I think those bike fit well the dual sport segment. You can load them with gear, larger tank, somewhat confy for long distance ride, good maners on the street usually reliable and can be taken to some off road. Surs the commercial we see the guy/gals ars taking those bike to some crazy stuff but THEY are professional riders and we are not...like ppl going to see the movie rocky and coming out of tge theater thining they are pro boxer..lol
Thank you so much for all your feedback on the AT. You are completely right about the route we took on the 12 drop day was definitely way over our heads. We were warned about how tough it would be and then we didn't even properly prepare with food and water necessary to do the trip which only further complicated our circumstances.
You also make a really good point about watching Rocky and thinking you can fight. I spend a lot of time watching and reading about adventures and not nearly enough time actually bettering my skills both on and off road to make those adventures happen. Your post was a great reminder of the important things to get in line before you leave for your trip. Thank you again and I really appreciate you stopping by to view the vid.
@@BeGoneForGood we are all guilty then reality put us back in place and hopefully not been hurt. Between what we want to, what our skill level is and what we are actually doing with our bike is, saddly, very different..lol in my case ill be 51 in July and i dont heal as fast as when i was 25..
As far as camping with the bike, im learning as much as I can about buscrafting / minimalist and try to apply it while going out for few days. Even tough we dont cary the load we are still restricted as far as how much stuff we can take with us.
Here on tge 2nd pic there was a water crossing, some big rocks and cloudy water, i turned arround...lol no way i was goung to try it with the load i had on the bike.
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Whoa...that is major water crossing. I think you made the right choice here. I am also getting better at the pack out as my efficiency grows little by little. I am hoping to really improve this summer with our big MABDR trip.
love my AT. i had a lot of other different type of bike and the AT is still my dream bike. power: on the road maybe but off road you really don't need that much. weight and height.... well its pretty much in the same range as the competition and the AT have more ground clearance than most adv bike. bell and whistle: well me i didn't want a goldwing, so i didn't need all those accessories, i just bought those that i really needed. i can understand why people wouldn't buy the AT but the AT has is own space in the ADV segment and is the best bang for the buck 1liter adv bike. nice video BTW
Thank you very much for stopping by and leaving your feedback. I must tell you that I am completely in love with my bike as well. I can't get enough of it even when our weather is dipping below 40 degrees. Yikes!
I have an ATAS and at 5'11" I might be the shortest you would want to be to ride this bike. Its for sure on the tall side. Yeap its a little heavy but it is a 1000. Are there 1000cc+ bikes that are significantly lighter?
Power, I dont mind the power at all. My previous bike was an ST1300 and I was OK with the power of that bike as well.
Bells and whistles, I do wish I had the color screen, the black and tan LCD kinda sucks in certain lighting. I think the bike could do without all the riding modes. Its kinda silly to have all these settings on a 90 hp motorcycle. Not needed at all in my opinion.
Price? I think I paid $16k for mine new (2018 30th anniversary model). I used part of an inheritance so didn't feel the pain of the purchase. Having said that it seems that everything is expensive now. If I get rid of my AT it will be because I want to go back to a Sport Touring ride and that might just happen. I miss my ST1300.
You nailed it Mike. This bike definitely has trade offs but all bikes do. There is not a lot you can do about some of these issues if you are in the 1000cc category but they may be the sort of issues that are big enough to drop down in size a little. I am pretty happy dealing with the size and weight sacrifices because I like the power exchange.
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12 times a day..,? Try the weightless rider technique with some pivotpegs...
Not routinely. Just in that one spot in Utah and there is no faking it there. I just have to be a better rider or MUCH stronger before we go back.
I ride a 2019 AT CRF1000L standard shift and I can say that not one of the 5 points you made, has even come close to being an issue whatsoever for me. I do know that the 2019 corrected some of the issues with the 2016 thru 2018.
Weight is also my primary problem, potentially going to switch down to the Tenere 700 once it arrives in North America. Much lighter and more maneuverable .
Oh man, those T7s look amazing. I have been reading up and that is one sharp bike. I would love a chance to feel the difference in weight especially in an off-road setting. I don't go too crazy off road but the weight of this bike really got me sweating during our Utah trip. It would be nice to have an easier time out there. Good luck when your ride comes in and thank you so much for leaving feedback.
Also not a comparison motorcycle
After 1500K I add that weight is an issue for far more reasons than off-road. The AT is a tough job for parking, the city, U-turns, hairpins in the mountains, anything low speed. I have the high seat and both my feet flat on the ground, but I still find that the center of gravity is far too high. I am an experienced rider but if I keep it I will have to seriously upgrade my skills. Now I am thinking twice, unfortunately only once before I bought it.
You are very right. I think any of these big bikes is a little bit of a monster to work with, especially in slow moves. I have to improve my skills quite a bit as well as I take the Africa Twin to more and more remote places. I find the best way to improve is to get out there and do the tough riding. I am glad you watched the video and took the time to add your feedback also.
Maybe this vid should be updated for the 2021/2022 AT. Seems a little dated on specs and performance.
You are right as a lot of the newest features negate the last issue. The only problem is that I am still riding the 2017! Time to do some new bike shopping right?
It happened that I have both of these motorbikes. CB500X is a great machine but AT is much more serious and more versatile bike. I had normal AT (2016) after 1,5 year changed to DCT (2018). Did many thousands km. 1- yes AT is heavy but relatively easy to lift and its traction is awesome 2- power is suitable for applications (in 2018 model you can adjust the power) 3- height, I am not very high guy and height is good but you can buy lower seat to feel more confident (I did it) 4- cruise control (very useful during long trips, I missed it) USB port (absolutely necessary), new AT 1100 has it all and much more 5- yes everyone should start from smaller motorbikes and then grow-up to AT step by step. Look how beautiful AT is. The most beautiful bike in the world. ;-) My woman still loves her CB500X but for long trips we use only AT.
Thank you so much for your feedback on this video. You are very right about all your points and ultimately it really comes down to each individual rider determining what is their best fit. I also agree with you that the AT is the best bike out there...at least for me. I would love some cruise control though. ;-)