In my opinion, the Honda A.Twin CRF1000L is absolutely too heavy for off road (232 kg - 534 lbs). Less than 19 liters (4.96 US gal) is definitely another added minus in terms of consumption. By no means can such a motorcycle be the best or one of the best options to buy (for its class). Tenere XT660Z is a much better choice.
The design n everything else on African twin is awesome. The only problem! It's unaffordable to Africans . Have never seen it in my country though am African. I don't understand
Hello !! can you help me please with a piece of advice ? it is ok as a beginner to purchase this motorbike ? can you provide me a website where i can buy this type of motorbike from usa ? thank you and have a good day !
@@alexandrult.685 It is absolutely suitable for a beginner, but you need to ask yourself where and how you will ride with it. It’s not the fastest, even acceleration isn’t something you’ll be able to put up with, it’s not the most attractive to look at. However, if you want a useful motorcycle that is easy to maintain, with which you can ride well off-road, then you will be thrilled! Unfortunately, I can't advise where to buy it in America, I'm European.
@@metodyx7507 hello ! man thanks for the advices. i`m not a speedy gonzalez type of guy. i prefer to enjoy the ride. take back-roads the the true beauty is. 100-120km/h i find extremely comfortable. i`m more into range than power. that`s why i`m looking for something i can afford maintenance, i can carry some luggage and do a little off road shortcuts :D ( and fishing :))) )
I purchase a 2017 Africa Twin standard model new, and continue to be pleased with it. Ian covers all significant aspects of the bike very well. The newer versions of the AT have more features and complications, but I really prefer the simpler earlier models. The 21/18” wheel set and 27.5 degree steering rake combined with long travel suspension are what make this bike special. I am 68 and can confidently take the AT off road, albeit at slower speeds than a competitive KTM 790/890. I ride a KTM 500 aggressively in hard enduro terrain several times a week, so I know what that is all about. The AT handles like a big dirt bike, has an excellent standing position, and is a superb all rounder. Selecting the right tires for this bike really can improve performance for specific conditions. Forget the extreme off road videos about the AT. There are better bikes for that. This is a comfortable and well rounded exploration bike packed with Honda goodness. As Ian mentions, the stable chassis and excellent handling are strong attributes that keep you upright and safe. Think of the AT as the Labrador Retriever of adventure bikes. Strong, reliable, and lovable.
What modifications or upgrades did you do to your AT? I plan in the future to picking one up. What tires do you recommend? I plan on doing 50/50 street/dirt. I’m not going to race it, I’m just going to enjoy it. All my past bikes have been naked 1,000 cc, & 1,200cc bikes.
Had GS’s for 20 years. Sold my 1200Adv as it was getting a bit heavy to lug round. Got a test ride on a 2017 AT and never took it back! 6000mls, 1 owner, loads of extras. Absolutely brilliant. Most of my riding will be on road. Rob 67yrs
I have a 2017 AT that I bought in 2019 with less than 2k on the clock. Upgraded the skid plate, added Mosko Moto panniers, crash bars and a few other goodies. I just rolled 40k on the clock this weekend. I’ve done the MABDR and most of the NEBDR with it. It’s my daily commuter as well, even when the temps get into single digits. This is the first motorcycle (I’ve owned around 25) that’s my first “forever” bike. Heck, just bought a new Pan America Special for long distance touring. Going to Pittsburgh (900 miles round trip) this weekend and I’m taking the Africa and leaving the Pan Am at home.
Sounds like a good idea, leaving the Pan America behind. I've read the details about the Pan's engine. Three balance shafts ? Harley can't get things right with simple designs. Now they add more monkey motion in their engines ? They're definitely masters of marketing. Time shall tell. There's an old saying, "keep it simple".
@@antonioreyes3028 not that I can tell. It’s got 46k on the clock now and she rebounds like she did when she was new. I think a lot of people who have “issues” think they are Pols Terres or Valentino Rossi. I’ve never once upgraded a suspension and I’ve owned 25 bikes. Get on it and ride!
Spot on...I have owned a 2016 since it was new....Now has 52000 miles on it and still going strong...Most of my riding on this bike has been fire roads, and super steep mtn roads....All the way to Alaska and Prudo bay to where I am currently Peru.....Ride it everyday up unbelievable mtn roads here....up to 14,000 ft with no problems....Great bike with just regular maintence.....Honda you just cannot beat in my opinion. My bike is also the DCT which I love....You just have to learn it ways....never going back to shifting either.....
i bought a lightly used 2017 Africa Twin DCT with only 3000 miles on it this past March. i absolutely love it and now have 13,000 miles on it. It has been fantastic on and off road and dead reliable. Other than burning gas and tires, its been a dream.
I just bought a 2017 Africa Twin with only 1700 miles for my first bike. Came with Tusk aluminum saddleboxes, givi 15l tank bag, full givi crash bars. I put on doubletake adventure mirrors with extensions, Barkbuster VPS handguards, camel adv camel toe kickstand and windscreen brace, centerstand, ims adv 2 footpegs, xgrip ram mount, fastway billet cargo rack. I have an altrider skidpIate in the garage waiting to be installed. I was planning on the F850gs until I was able to mount and compare the 2. The BMW was way more top heavy. Bought some Alpinestars boots and their v3 drystar honda jacket. Bought a cheapo Yema helmet from Amazon but now looking at an Arai XD4. Your videos helped me decide on the AT. Thank you sir.
I bought one, second hand, last year. I use it 95% on paved roads, it's a very comfortable bike, solid and reliable so far. And everyone likes it , it's a beautiful bike. I don't care about the 'soft' suspension since i only weigh 65kgs. Mine is a 2017 model with only 14k kms.
People forget when they weight 15-20stone and complaining the suspension bottoms out and is to soft. If someone else is 11 stone the suspension would be rock hard and literally throw the rider off the bike. It's all a compromise.
The ABS off mode can be maintain when you cut the engine. Here is the procedure. Each time the ignition switch is turned to the ON position, the ABS function on both wheels will automatically be turned on [ACTIVE], but the ABS will maintain the rear wheel [CANCEL] off-function when engine stopped by using the engine stop switch. Very useful to know.
Yes you can maintain ABS OFF by turning OFF the engine with the RED button on your right (The same to start) Do not use the key to stop the engine! Page 118 of the manual SECTION : ABS function on the rear wheel The ABS function on the rear wheel can be optionally turned off for off-road riding. You can turn off the rear wheel ABS function in [OFF ROAD MODE], [USER 1 MODE] or [USER 2 MODE]. u Each time the ignition switch is turned to the ON position, the ABS function on both wheels will automatically be turned on [ACTIVE], but the ABS will maintain the rear wheel [CANCEL] off-function when engine stopped by using the engine stop switch.
I’ve had several several bikes. Currently have 4. My favorite by far is my red white and blue AT with gold rims. I have both soft and hard. bags from givi and. Hondaline . Three different tank bags I use. I put and akrapovich exhaust that really lightened up bike but more importantly made it sound incredible. I love the look sound feel street handling of this bike. I’m an old dirt rider and have no problem throwing this thing around I out bark busters on it better skidplate and tires. I actually bought a tenere 700 and for me being a short older rider, that bike was extremely tall, top heavy, and uncomfortable plus I still Owned the AT at the time so I actually made a profit, sold the Tenere and kept my AT. I have seat on low position. I just love the thing!,,
Thank you for a great review. I live in South Africa and got a 2017 model for about the same price with extras (upgraded suspension, crash bars, etc). I love the bike. Great value and super reliable.
Your bike reviews are so comprehensive, I feel like I've actually ridden the bikes! I can hold a detailed technical conversation with any biker based solely on your channel's info. I'm seriously thinking of getting back into bikes after several years lay-off due to a leg injury. Hmmm...
From watching your comparison between old and new AT i think i prefer the no-fuss simplicity of the 2016 model. Thanks for all of the no fluff, comprehensive reviews. 👍
I've just ridden my brothers Arfica Twin DCT, he came over to Spain where I live from the UK. He loves it! So do I!! I rode it out of town to the motorway and back and found it intuitive, apart from locating the indicator switch!!! 'Beep'...I kept hitting the horn button" Beautiful to look at, plenty of grunt and handled well. No brainer for the money!
You helped me to decide on buying a 2019 Africa Twin. I’ve been researching them for the past week. I went to dealer and sat on one with only 2,600 miles on it. It felt perfect. I have a 32” inseam, and sat on it with my feet flat. I’ve owned two GS(s), a 1100 and a 1200. They have issues I don’t have time to go into here. (One being the seat height.) And I owned a 2019 Tiger 800. It wasn’t big enough for me. This one seems like a good in between. I haven’t ridden it yet. It seems like a good 50/50 kinda bike. I live in The Ozarks of Arkansas, and I think this will be perfect for where I live. Thanks for posting this video. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'm going to buy a 2019 africa twin, they are a good price. After watching this video it helped me to decide on buying it. I've had honda motorcycles for years. Currently riding a 2010 goldwing. I've had an older goldwing I bought new, go over 300,000 miles with hardly any trouble.
I just bought a slightly used 2018 African Twin today 2/14/22 based on your videos. Was almost ready to buy the KTM 1100 for the same 13K but when I put the two side by side it was clear that I should chose the Honda. Firstly because I'm a 57 year old man who isn't going to push a bike to the limit any longer, (too old for that shit). I'm 6,2' and 230 lbs so the T7 with a passenger would be bottoming out on a speed bump and well, I have the funds to buy whatever the hell I want and I like nice things. The bike I got has all sorts of expensive upgrades too. Touring seat, crash bars, bash guard, side bags, rear rack, headlight guard, fat kickstand foot and the list goes on and on. Probably would be about 23K if a new bike had all that and my used bike only has 10 K miles on it. No dealer prep charge, no destination charge, and it a freaking Honda! I don't want a bike I have to have in the shop from time to time waiting on parts from who knows where. Thanks for the fantastic work you do to help folks like me make informed decisions on very important purchases.
Great vid! - One thing which almost never seems to be considered when buying a bike is how well it actually fits your own size/frame (in particular when you stand up on it) I've had dozens of bikes over the years and currently have the ATAS - one of the main reasons is that at 6ft 2ins (in bare feet) the ATAS actually lets me ride it off road without being bent double - even more so that the standard AT. I'd like to try a T7 but i suspect it might not be tall enough but would prefer a lighter bike. Having said that i never take a full tank of fuel if I'm going off road its got plenty of range even on half a tank!
Make sure the Adventure Sport model you buy has had the recall done on the fuel cell. I was almost killed on the freeway when my AT died suddenly due to fuel starvation. Almost run over by another vehicle during a passing maneuver. I cleaned the tank and replaced the stock filtration with a Guglatech set. Problem free motorcycle since. DCT model. Love it. Previous GS owner...
If you consider buying it, please take into account the following: it is a very heavy bike, difficult to pick up on your own and you have to have a proper off road boots (not Toucans or other flip flops but proper boots). It is top heavy. It has jerky throttle at low speed-non of you tube channels mentions it but it is a well known issue if you check more independent forums. While off roading it is very easy to add too much throttle (with obvious consequences) as it is very responsive and kind of on and off, jerky type. It is a great bike in many ways just don't decide to buy it based only on you tube channels. I took the bike off road a few times and decided not to buy it but before, watching endless you tube clips I was convinced it was a bike for me.
Great informative video Big Rock Moto! Bought my Australian Africa Twin new in 2016, got the faster, red and black one (old school manual gear change model). Fantastic road and off road bike, cant think of anything that I would like to replace it with . Longest day trip was 10 hours in the saddle and was glad to get off .Now has 30K klms on the clock and third set of tyres .Only problem from new, was replacing the poorly made wheel spokes after corroding inside 5K klms. Fixed under warranty twice and a faulty engine kill switch on the right hand grip. Apparently not adequately greased on the factory floor. Was a common complaint in this country. Otherwise its the best bike I have ever owned. Nearly 70 now !!! and unless the wife sells it from under me ,I will probably take it to the grave! Greetings from Sydney ,Australia.
Wasn't aware of the wheel spoke problem maybe its the crocodile pee from crossing your rivers.what did you buy for replacement spokes? ty and Happy trails ahead
@@gordonjames8811 Could be the crocodile pee....unfortunately the original spokes were not made of stainless steel and hence formed a corrosion on most the spokes ,front and rear, after contact with water. The local Honda rep arranged to replace them with the same batch of spokes that Honda wanted to get out of their warehouse stock . They too corroded within 2000 klms and Honda Australia, in their wisdom replaced them a third time ,at their expense and my inconvenience, with stainless steel spokes. The local mechanic at the Honda dealership shook his head in disbelief at such poor handling of a warranty claim as he was the one to reset the wheels both times .I knew of 3 other Africa twin owners in my local region who had the same problem with these spokes. Still a great bike though!
I toured Australia on my XR250, XL600, & NX650. Much of it was off-road - particularly for the first two bikes. I am looking for another bike for my time in Japan, and the Africa Twin, whilst being a bit pricey, is a safe and natural choice for me. You did a good and helpful review. Thanks.
I bought a 2017 DCT in 2019 for about the same reasons you mention in the video. Jump on the bike, and off you go. No fiddling with a computer and their slow menus and start up. Just like my trusty F6 Valkyrie.
Great Job. I just bought the 2021 GSA and took it off road for the first time and it is BIG. The Africa twin may be a good alternative for around North Idaho and Eastern Washington kicking around,. Keep up the great reviews I’m enjoying them
I have a 2019 AT ADV Sport DCT and I can't imagine not having it now! Its the go anywhere in any weather bike and is more stout than the newer ones!!!! The balance is what convinces you in the end. It can be overwhelming when you first see and sit on it but then you take off!
I just purchased the 2017 Africa twin from a good friend of mine who's owned it since it was new and knowing how he takes care of things and also knowing the quality of Honda machines I bought it even though it was high mileage that 43,000 miles. He had the suspension upgraded. I have put about 8,000 miles on it in the last couple months at least 50% of that was on dirt since I live in Durango Colorado I have a lot of good mountain riding to do. I love the bike! Going to sell my Harley this coming spring.
Great video! I had a 2016 DCT and loved it. Been of the road for 4 years now and looking to get a 21/22 year model. This is coming from 23 years of Goldwing riding!
Today I purchased a 2017 AT for $8k with 10549 on the clock. Used to ride a BMW K100 and this is my first dive into a 50/50 bike. Thanks for the awesome review!
I have a 2018 AT I bought in 2020 myself. I have ridden all kinds of bikes on road and off road but, this honestly is the best bike I have owned yet. Haven't gotten a chance to ride a BMW R1200GS yet but, I can definitely say I'd loose sleep on the decision of getting rid of my AT. I absolutely love it. If you ever think about buying one..... just do it!
It's a great touring/gravel/light offroad bike. I rented a '19 and enjoyed it. Probably great offroad for a better rider than me who is fit enough to pick it up multiple times.
Great video. Thanks for your input. After the video I found a 2016 with 9000 highway miles, and in pristine condition. Traded my KLR and rode the AT home. So far, I’m in love with it😎
I did, I bought one well modified and well cared for 2016 model saved an absolute wad of cash. I have just completed upgrading for what I believe to be my best all road tourer i have ever owned and still saved about 5K from new for a stock one.
I'm sixty-one years old, and have been riding for 43 years. In that time owning eleven different bikes. I'm also an experienced mechanic that worked on cars, motorcycles, forklifts, and thirty-two years as a licensed aircraft mechanic, working on airliners. I'm about dependability, and competitive performance in my motorcycles. Usually you'll find that in the Japanese bike market, that equates to resale value, to some extent. My current ride is a 2013 Yamaha FJR1300a. My bike has nearly 59,000 miles on it, and I just reshimmed the valves for lash. The valve lash adjustment interval is 26,000 miles. On the first check, at 25,437 miles, all were within specs. This time I adjusted four of the sixteen valves, and they were technically still within specs, but close. It has the original battery, that's now eight years old. The only problem I've ever had is the cruise control cancel switch in the front brake hand lever, recently went bad, for the first time and Yamaha just replaced it on a recall, at no cost. I've become a "dyed-in-the-wool" , Yamaha product loyalist. I've owned Yamahas, Honda, Suzuki and a BMW. I also have many acquaintances and friends that are motorcycle enthusiasts, and of course I hear their stories of this or that going wrong. Several btw are aircraft mechanics, themselves. We're a persnickety bunch. That happens when it comes to a machine being right, and you being the front line of safety for a plane load of people. BTW, I look at a lot of cycle review videos, and am considering a second machine, of the adventure class, myself. I like the Africa twin a lot, but my money would still be on the Tenere. Especially after having watched this ; th-cam.com/video/rGCIKP9w7DE/w-d-xo.html
I bought a used 2016 model in this same color for $9,000. It had 16,000 miles on it. I have had to put on a new set of brake pads and I just replaced the chain and sprockets. I went with a 15/42 over the stock 16/42 and it is perfect. Really made a noticeable difference. You can also turn off the traction control by holding down on the trigger switch. I love this bike except for the fact that the traction control have to be set every time you restart the bike unless you like the traction control on full and the rear abs on.
I just hired this bike for a weekend, and it's amazing on the road. Suspension is much better than tenere 700, engine is damn good. It is a little bit heavier than T7 but changing only battery and exhaust will reduce 5kg.
You hit the nail on the head with this review. Especially the simplicity is key for this model. We just arrived in Ushuaia (most southern tip Argentina) after a 25K miles 2 UP journey started from Anchorage (Alaska) on a 2017 model. No single issue with the Honda. I like Italian motorcycles but I didn't dare to take the trip with a Multistrada.
@@vic_d_10 easy. We used Cargorider to cross. They arrange almost everything like TIP, flight of the bike and transport. We only had to buy our own flight tickets.
Just bought a 2015 KTM 1290 SA with 24k on it for $9500. It's in really great shape with all the goods already on it. Luggage, custom touring seat, new chain and sprockets. Will be used for mainly road touring but some off road here and there. Thing is a torque monster. Hope I made a good choice. 🤞
Bingo! Bought my 2016 in January this year, after spending a couple of months comparing different biks and coming to a lot of the same conclusions you have here. Really nice sweet spot of price/performance/reliability. It's simply the Honda of the category. Got it for $9K with just over 9k miles and some nice extras- factory panniers and top case, crash bars, aux lights etc. There were several around the SF bay / Nor Cal area at the time but everything seems to have dried up since then, I think I got lucky on the timing as the Great Everything Shortage of 2020-21 doesn't seem to be slowing. Good vid!
Another incredible video, thank you! After owning a few KTM's: 2015 500 EXC, 2014 200 XC-W, 2013 250 XC-W and my recent 2018 350 EXC-F, I am no longer planning on buying a KTM. My 2018 350 was purchased from a KTM dealer that replaced the engine after the 'plastic' gear used in the engine failed. Plastic gear in a KTM? Total insanity! Since I no longer plan on technical off-road riding, I am in the market for a nice dual-sport bike. When I used to ride sport bikes up Angeles Crest and Ortega Highways in Southern CA back in the 80's and 90's, Honda was almost always my choice of sport bike. I even purchased a 1990 RC-30 that should still be in my garage but is not. Anyway, I think you are correct about the 2016-2019 Africa Twin. It is a beautiful bike and given the kind of riding that interests me now, I will keep my eyes open for one. Thank you again, you are among the best motorcycle journalists in the business!
Great video! I’m a long time BMW rider that bought a new 2018 AT Adventure Anniversary edition with the DCT. I Love this bike! With 2+yrs and some thousands of miles I like it as much as I did the first day :) If you’re looking used I can attest that they are wonderful.
I bought a used ‘16 AT a few years ago, 4,000 miles. The previous owner had put a lot of aftermarket items on it. I added some Touratech pannier racks and cases. The fork seals started leaking at 11k. I rebuilt the forks with heavier wt oil and Kawasaki fork seals which have 2 seal surfaces vs the stock which has one. My gf and I have a small rv which we use to take the bike on trips(trailered). It does real well two up, we have a blast exploring on it.
Welp I traded in my 2019 kTm 790 adventure in on a used 2016 africa twin because of this video. And I have only one thing to say...... THANK YOU!!!!!! The africa twin despite being older rides soooo much better on the street than the kTm. Haven't took the AT off road yet. The motor isn't as angry as my kTm but I actually like the power displacement on the Honda better than my kTm. Again.... thank you....
Hello Ian, you bring up some great points, I think a few of the manufacturers have really missed out on what people really want in an adventure bike. Huge exposed TFT screens and 700 modes to set up a ride are not what I would call ideal. I love the sound of a uncorked Africa Twin, it sounds like a Chevy v8 on cherry bomb mufflers! Awesome! You want something that can do some miles on the road and still not worry about it if it falls into a ditch or stream. BMW GS is a fantastic bike for some situations, but not what i am looking for, I thought the KTM 690 was going to be it, but found it not dirt oriented enough at the time and not good enough on road to be the only bike. Now I have a Sherco 300 SEF-R for my playing in the woods, and a CBR 929 for the road, but it is not what dream about. I would love a comfortable upright ride that is durable and dependable, easy to get parts for, and not difficult to work on, given a fairly high level of skill. KTM look the part but here in Australia you pay through the nose for one. The 790 and 890 seem like a good idea but they are not proven yet and over priced to start with. I think I might have to revisit the Africa Twin. Keep up the good work and love the videos!
2024 New years new bike to me!! 2019 Africa Twin Black and gold.. 4k tons of extras 2 set of tusk bags with tourTech crash bars and panniers. 4000 miles clean but not spotless! Needs my total cleaning. Took advantage of winter prices. Traveled 130miles on way but well worth it. Come on warm weather. Around Bend Oregon out on 2 wheels
I spent some time going back and forth about which bike I wanted and why. I came to a lot of the same conclusions that you did back in January/February 2020. I settled on a 2019 Africa Twin and the market was fairly thick with them within a decent driving distance of me in Northwest Arkansas. I popped in to the local Honda dealer to check out a gently used 2016 and ended up paying $9k cash for it and have enjoyed every minute on it.
I will go for the Africa twin, because I need an off road focused adv bike with good road manners, I need reliability, I need a friendly and easy bike, even the seat height is friendly with 250 mm of ground clearance. It have all the necessary electronics - nothing more nothing less (I prefer 2018-2019 bike as it carries important upgrades including 7 level traction, 3 level engine braking, settings remain same when we turn off etc)
I own the 17’ AT DCT. Great bike! Completely agree! I did just recently drop the bike in a water crossing and broke the right foot peg mount. Camel ADV brace was ordered right away. Install of that brace is far more involved than anticipated but well worth it. Thanks for another great video!
Hi guys, I work at a Honda dealer in Holland and I bought a New CRF1000 in 2017. Made it completely off Road capable. Mounted Haan off Road wheels, a quickshifter, SW crashbars and off Road steps. Had the suspension done by YSS and also did a ECU flash. I ride the bike 80% off Road and really love it. I was tempted into buying a new 1100 but changed my minder after delivering the first new bike to a customer. Who needs all that difficult electronics and expensive TFT touch screens?? In this case, LESS IS MORE!! For my personal use the 1000 is the best bike around! Mark
Great video and agree. I was also drawn to a Tenere but it appears that availability will be way off into the horizon. I ended up with a Moto Guzzi V85TT for the time being. Not near as off-road capable but it’s been fun to ride and surprisingly good. Old school engine that is pretty simple and I like it’s not a bike seen every day. Cheers mate
After 5 months on waiting list for a T700 the local dealer dropped the last brand new 2019 AT to $9900. No brainer for me at that price. I’ve put 2k on it so far and love it. After riding the KTM 1290 the last couple years, this feels nimble and sleek. Good balance of off-road ability and pavement munching to get places afar.
That's interesting. In Europe where I live I was able to get a T700 within less than a month in fall last year. I also tested a KTM 1090, and although certainly a bit lighter than a 1290 it was too tall and heavy for me, I feel more comfortable on the Tenere.
Agree with your comments about the old v new AT. I waited for the 2020 model as it seemed a large number of improvements. Prefer the tubeless tyres for one, but you’re right about the TFT screen. Too much, too slow, too unreliable. It is not an improvement over the older model, it’s a gimmick. You do have a “favourite switch” though, which I allocated to gravel mode, as they removed the “G” switch on the newer bike. So I can select traction control off with one switch.
This is great content for the real world, hiliting good value used bikes when the secondary mkt presents opportunities to buyers on a budget. More, please !
I just bought a 2017 Africa twin this summer with some modifications already on it 11500 on the clock. It’s my first adventure bike and the best bike I’ve ever owned.
Seems like for 95% of these 2016-2019, people are asking $11k - $12k. And definitely not set up like yours, they're mostly or completely stock. Hoping I can find a deal like yours eventually. Thanks for the informative overview, subscribed.
Love your videos and its been interesting to see you evolve and improve. Have Guzzi V85tt and love this bike on and off road. Stripped off the extra non essentials put on some 50/50 tires and I'm sitting on a 6 gallon fully fueled weight of 505 lbs. Lighter than the AT and shaft driven. Love the power output , smooth and simple ride modes that automatically and logically set power delivery, traction control and ABS for Road, Rain and Off-Road. Anyhow, the AT is a great bike and value I've owned many Honda's and they've all been bullet proof and fun to own.
I was looking pretty hard at the T7 last year when I figured out how hard they were to get. I ended up buying a low mileage 2017 AT with upgraded crash protection and saddlebags for less than 10k. When you consider the current market, taxes, and upgrades to the T7 it was just a way better deal to go with the yesteryear AT.
I bought a leftover 2019 AT here in 2021. Paid 9k for a new AT. I love the bike. There are a lot of people asking which bike is the best. I don't care what is best. I care if i'm happy with the bike i have.. The AT isn't perfect. It's difficult to reach the air filters and some other stuff. It runs and handles great. It's hard to beat honda's reliability and availability of parts. With good off-road tires it's awesome for what i do (i live off-road). It's just heavy to pick up, as are most 1 liter plus bikes. Some people say they are down on power. Really? 95 HP 75 tq? Low 12's in the 1/4 mile is low on power? My '86 CR500 had around 60hp. It was fun and perfect power for racing with the best of them. Think for yourselves people. The honda AT is Badass..
Ian I just want to say thanks heaps for your channel. I really like your thorough reviews but your casual style. It works really well and I’m working through watching all your videos. I’m really tossing up between AT and bmw 1250gs. I’m prob gonna go Africa twin. Hi 👋 from Australia 🇦🇺
the best version of these awesome Bikes are 2018 or 2019 version (2th version) but 2016 or 2017 are still exceptional ///// 2016 to 2019 are the BEST FRAME absolutely in off road use ///// The 1100L frames 2020 or 2021, (euro5) are for road use mainly ..... Believe me. ( sorry for my english..... (I have Africa Twin ADV Sport 2018)
Thank you very much for this Video. Because this is one of the IMPORTANT Videos for me to buy a crf 1000 Africa Twin dct from 2016 and I love it to ride ❤All the Best for you 🤘🏍️
Issues with: 1. Front suspension 2. Heated grips 3. Gas tank, something pealing 4. Battery placement 5. Windshield mount 6. Kick stand 7. Food pad/stand 8. Can check at 15-20k and oil change each 5k km 9. Rear frame 10. Turn signal (buttons) ... Is this still a worth buying bike?
Great vid . I’ve had 2 gsa 800’s and 2 gsa1200 lc one tiger 800 xcx and the at 2017 model is by far the better bike . Mines the dct model ex touratech display bike so come with all the extras to . I love it
Just got a 2007 BMW GSA 1200 for 6k used with 45k miles and have been super happy with it about 3k miles of riding. Lots of road miles to get to beautiful scenery so havn't pushed the offroad like I will want too eventually but for the price I love it.
Great video Ian! Last year I was looking to buy my first ADV bike. Initially I was looking at used F 800 GSs, which where I live you can get for a reasonable price (around $6000), most of them with low mileage. However, if you are going to want to put some aftermarket parts on the bike then this of course not all the money you'll end up spending. Considering this I started looking at new bikes, namely the Africa Twin and the T700. Test rode both the Africa Twin Adventure Sports with DCT and electronic suspension and the base model. The Adventure Sports wasn't what I was looking for, but I really liked the base model. However, after having tested the T700 also, I was convinced that that was the bike for me. Comes with all the features I want and need, does not have cumbersome (as you pointed out) electronics, is a few grand cheaper and luckily shipped within 3 weeks after purchase. I do not regret my choice, I'm absolutely happy with my T7, although I admit having a look at a used CRF1000L like the one you have would not have been a bad idea :) Only problem was that great deals like the one you got were not really out there in my area, looks like you have more luck in the western US 👍 Anyway thanks for the video, really helps when you're looking for a bike :)
Îm actually on the market to buy ... was pretty sure it was the best for my needs ! With Your shared experience the deal is sealed ! Thanks for the Good work !😉😃
Thank you for this review man. This is so informative on a little older model year Twins for people looking for used bikes, especially these current times. Sometimes the latest model year isn’t needed like myself. Thanx PS I like that you corrected Fortnine on road/off-road capabilities!
I really wished you had talked about the changes made from 17-18 mainly the fly by wire throttle introduced in 18. That is a big selling point for some inmo. That’s why I will never give up my 17. Ever!
I have a 2019 ATAS that I bought new. Just about to turn 10k miles. I really love this bike. Manual tranny and I put the speed shifter on it which I like a lot. I’m not a competitor - more of a wanderer who often sees gravel roads and wonders - ooo where does that go? The AT motor is butter on the road and off. The brakes are a little more squishy than I would like but I can make them work. Overall this bike is a keeper. Love the look, the ride and am having a lot of fun.
Just bought my 2019 Africa Twin with under 2,000 miles on it for $10,500! Got it for a steal! Absolutely love it. Best Bang for Buck in the ADV market.
I bought a used 2016 AT DCT a few years ago. It’s enjoyable to ride. A few things that I don’t like are the glare from the silver handlebars on the display. The display can also be hard to read in bright sunlight. Another downside is that you have to set the ABS, G-mode, & traction control after every engine start. Changing the air filters is a real pain, especially if you have crash bars installed. I still have a long way to go before I outgrow the bike’s capabilities.
In 2017, I bought a 2016 DCT , ex Honda managers bike, fully loaded, with 3000 miles on it. I've only rode very light off road with road tyres, but 15,000 or so miles later of touring, I Love It. Select manual and enjoy the seamless gear changes
I started on a cb500x the early version with the 17” front wheel. Bit cramped for my 6’ 2’ frame and underpowered I thought. So I went all in on a 17 Africa twin dct one owner 1200 miles for a really good price. I had tested a manual at the dealership and loved it . After 2 years with the dct which by the way I absolutely hated I sold that Africa twin . And have been riding a 2020 cb500x for the past 2 and a half years. I was fully intent on not upgrading it at all that was until I stupidly had a test ride on the transalp 750 . Now that bike to me sits in the absolute sweet spot for power and weight and size for me. I live in the uk .
I personally have never ridden offroad myself. But I have been riding for 6 years now. I'm looking at getting a new royal Enfield Himalayan to for second motorcycle to start doing some offroad riding they are cheap and light and easy to ride for a offroad beginner.
The Africa Twin feels a lot heavier than the Tenere 700! It makes a world of difference, especially when maneuvering or when you've got stuck. This year I immersed my 2018 Twin for a new Tenere at the dealership. Off-road, the Tenere is the better choice. Unfortunately, on the highway you already notice 20 hp difference ...
I have a 2020 model. New from the dealer. Grate bike but as you seed the screen suck at the star up, but for the rest is a grate bike. But if I head to buy a used one still the twin would rock my hart. Grate video keep on the good work. :)
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In my opinion, the Honda A.Twin CRF1000L is absolutely too heavy for off road (232 kg - 534 lbs). Less than 19 liters (4.96 US gal) is definitely another added minus in terms of consumption. By no means can such a motorcycle be the best or one of the best options to buy (for its class).
Tenere XT660Z is a much better choice.
The design n everything else on African twin is awesome. The only problem! It's unaffordable to Africans . Have never seen it in my country though am African.
I don't understand
Hello !! can you help me please with a piece of advice ?
it is ok as a beginner to purchase this motorbike ?
can you provide me a website where i can buy this type of motorbike from usa ?
thank you and have a good day !
@@alexandrult.685 It is absolutely suitable for a beginner, but you need to ask yourself where and how you will ride with it. It’s not the fastest, even acceleration isn’t something you’ll be able to put up with, it’s not the most attractive to look at. However, if you want a useful motorcycle that is easy to maintain, with which you can ride well off-road, then you will be thrilled!
Unfortunately, I can't advise where to buy it in America, I'm European.
@@metodyx7507 hello ! man thanks for the advices. i`m not a speedy gonzalez type of guy. i prefer to enjoy the ride. take back-roads the the true beauty is. 100-120km/h i find extremely comfortable. i`m more into range than power. that`s why i`m looking for something i can afford maintenance, i can carry some luggage and do a little off road shortcuts :D ( and fishing :))) )
I purchase a 2017 Africa Twin standard model new, and continue to be pleased with it. Ian covers all significant aspects of the bike very well. The newer versions of the AT have more features and complications, but I really prefer the simpler earlier models. The 21/18” wheel set and 27.5 degree steering rake combined with long travel suspension are what make this bike special. I am 68 and can confidently take the AT off road, albeit at slower speeds than a competitive KTM 790/890. I ride a KTM 500 aggressively in hard enduro terrain several times a week, so I know what that is all about. The AT handles like a big dirt bike, has an excellent standing position, and is a superb all rounder. Selecting the right tires for this bike really can improve performance for specific conditions. Forget the extreme off road videos about the AT. There are better bikes for that. This is a comfortable and well rounded exploration bike packed with Honda goodness. As Ian mentions, the stable chassis and excellent handling are strong attributes that keep you upright and safe. Think of the AT as the Labrador Retriever of adventure bikes. Strong, reliable, and lovable.
so well said!
What modifications or upgrades did you do to your AT? I plan in the future to picking one up. What tires do you recommend? I plan on doing 50/50 street/dirt. I’m not going to race it, I’m just going to enjoy it. All my past bikes have been naked 1,000 cc, & 1,200cc bikes.
@@BigRockMoto What do you say about new Africa after 2020?
Had GS’s for 20 years. Sold my 1200Adv as it was getting a bit heavy to lug round. Got a test ride on a 2017 AT and never took it back!
6000mls, 1 owner, loads of extras. Absolutely brilliant. Most of my riding will be on road.
Rob 67yrs
I think you got away with it. They wont be looking for you now, 4 years later.
@@MotoGuzziMoto well-done amigo!
I have a 2017 AT that I bought in 2019 with less than 2k on the clock. Upgraded the skid plate, added Mosko Moto panniers, crash bars and a few other goodies. I just rolled 40k on the clock this weekend. I’ve done the MABDR and most of the NEBDR with it. It’s my daily commuter as well, even when the temps get into single digits. This is the first motorcycle (I’ve owned around 25) that’s my first “forever” bike. Heck, just bought a new Pan America Special for long distance touring. Going to Pittsburgh (900 miles round trip) this weekend and I’m taking the Africa and leaving the Pan Am at home.
Sounds like a good idea, leaving the Pan America behind. I've read the details about the Pan's engine. Three balance shafts ? Harley can't get things right with simple designs. Now they add more monkey motion in their engines ? They're definitely masters of marketing. Time shall tell. There's an old saying, "keep it simple".
Did you have any issues with stiction of the front forks? It seems many high mileage owners have no complaints about it.
@@antonioreyes3028 not that I can tell. It’s got 46k on the clock now and she rebounds like she did when she was new. I think a lot of people who have “issues” think they are Pols Terres or Valentino Rossi. I’ve never once upgraded a suspension and I’ve owned 25 bikes. Get on it and ride!
Hi, you’ve given me the nudge to try one. Is yours a DCT?
How is the wind protection on the highways? Do you get a lot of buffeting on your helmet? or is it not that bad as people say
Spot on...I have owned a 2016 since it was new....Now has 52000 miles on it and still going strong...Most of my riding on this bike has been fire roads, and super steep mtn roads....All the way to Alaska and Prudo bay to where I am currently Peru.....Ride it everyday up unbelievable mtn roads here....up to 14,000 ft with no problems....Great bike with just regular maintence.....Honda you just cannot beat in my opinion. My bike is also the DCT which I love....You just have to learn it ways....never going back to shifting either.....
i bought a lightly used 2017 Africa Twin DCT with only 3000 miles on it this past March. i absolutely love it and now have 13,000 miles on it. It has been fantastic on and off road and dead reliable. Other than burning gas and tires, its been a dream.
I just bought a 2017 Africa Twin with only 1700 miles for my first bike. Came with Tusk aluminum saddleboxes, givi 15l tank bag, full givi crash bars. I put on doubletake adventure mirrors with extensions, Barkbuster VPS handguards, camel adv camel toe kickstand and windscreen brace, centerstand, ims adv 2 footpegs, xgrip ram mount, fastway billet cargo rack. I have an altrider skidpIate in the garage waiting to be installed. I was planning on the F850gs until I was able to mount and compare the 2. The BMW was way more top heavy. Bought some Alpinestars boots and their v3 drystar honda jacket. Bought a cheapo Yema helmet from Amazon but now looking at an Arai XD4. Your videos helped me decide on the AT. Thank you sir.
I bought one, second hand, last year. I use it 95% on paved roads, it's a very comfortable bike, solid and reliable so far. And everyone likes it , it's a beautiful bike. I don't care about the 'soft' suspension since i only weigh 65kgs. Mine is a 2017 model with only 14k kms.
People forget when they weight 15-20stone and complaining the suspension bottoms out and is to soft. If someone else is 11 stone the suspension would be rock hard and literally throw the rider off the bike. It's all a compromise.
The ABS off mode can be maintain when you cut the engine. Here is the procedure.
Each time the ignition switch is turned to the ON position, the ABS function on both wheels will automatically be turned on [ACTIVE], but the ABS will maintain the rear wheel [CANCEL] off-function when engine stopped by using the engine stop switch.
Very useful to know.
Yes you can maintain ABS OFF by turning OFF the engine with the RED button on your right (The same to start) Do not use the key to stop the engine!
Page 118 of the manual SECTION : ABS function on the rear wheel
The ABS function on the rear wheel can be optionally turned off for off-road riding.
You can turn off the rear wheel ABS function in [OFF ROAD MODE], [USER 1 MODE] or [USER 2 MODE].
u Each time the ignition switch is turned to the ON position, the ABS function on both wheels will automatically be turned on [ACTIVE], but the ABS will maintain the rear wheel [CANCEL] off-function when engine stopped by using the engine stop switch.
2023 and I bought '18 CRF1000L. I feel calm, happy and fulfilled. What a bike she is... my Queen.. my Africa Queen.
Bought my first motorcycle ever one year ago at age 56 and learnt to ride on it.... 2018 Africa Twin Matt Ballistic Black DCT...... flipping love it.
I’ve had several several bikes. Currently have 4. My favorite by far is my red white and blue AT with gold rims. I have both soft and hard. bags from givi and. Hondaline . Three different tank bags I use. I put and akrapovich exhaust that really lightened up bike but more importantly made it sound incredible. I love the look sound feel street handling of this bike. I’m an old dirt rider and have no problem throwing this thing around I out bark busters on it better skidplate and tires. I actually bought a tenere 700 and for me being a short older rider, that bike was extremely tall, top heavy, and uncomfortable plus I still Owned the AT at the time so I actually made a profit, sold the Tenere and kept my AT. I have seat on low position. I just love the thing!,,
that colour scheme just works, it looks so good.
How much did You loose kg replacing oroginal pipe?
I am thinking replacing mine
what's your inseam?
Thank you for a great review. I live in South Africa and got a 2017 model for about the same price with extras (upgraded suspension, crash bars, etc). I love the bike. Great value and super reliable.
Your bike reviews are so comprehensive, I feel like I've actually ridden the bikes! I can hold a detailed technical conversation with any biker based solely on your channel's info. I'm seriously thinking of getting back into bikes after several years lay-off due to a leg injury. Hmmm...
From watching your comparison between old and new AT i think i prefer the no-fuss simplicity of the 2016 model. Thanks for all of the no fluff, comprehensive reviews. 👍
I bought a 2018 mod with 9000km.
Absolutely love riding this bike. Smooth and comfortable. Handles real well. A very nice looking adventure bike.
Picked up a 2021 ATAS 3 months ago and love it! Been looking at them for a few years and finally pulled the trigger.
I've just ridden my brothers Arfica Twin DCT, he came over to Spain where I live from the UK. He loves it! So do I!! I rode it out of town to the motorway and back and found it intuitive, apart from locating the indicator switch!!! 'Beep'...I kept hitting the horn button" Beautiful to look at, plenty of grunt and handled well. No brainer for the money!
You helped me to decide on buying a 2019 Africa Twin. I’ve been researching them for the past week. I went to dealer and sat on one with only 2,600 miles on it. It felt perfect. I have a 32” inseam, and sat on it with my feet flat. I’ve owned two GS(s), a 1100 and a 1200. They have issues I don’t have time to go into here. (One being the seat height.) And I owned a 2019 Tiger 800. It wasn’t big enough for me. This one seems like a good in between. I haven’t ridden it yet. It seems like a good 50/50 kinda bike. I live in The Ozarks of Arkansas, and I think this will be perfect for where I live. Thanks for posting this video. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
thanks!
I'm going to buy a 2019 africa twin, they are a good price. After watching this video it helped me to decide on buying it. I've had honda motorcycles for years. Currently riding a 2010 goldwing. I've had an older goldwing I bought new, go over 300,000 miles with hardly any trouble.
This channel is fantastic. For every ADV thought I want to explore, there is magically a video on it already waiting for me here.
I just bought a slightly used 2018 African Twin today 2/14/22 based on your videos. Was almost ready to buy the KTM 1100 for the same 13K but when I put the two side by side it was clear that I should chose the Honda. Firstly because I'm a 57 year old man who isn't going to push a bike to the limit any longer, (too old for that shit). I'm 6,2' and 230 lbs so the T7 with a passenger would be bottoming out on a speed bump and well, I have the funds to buy whatever the hell I want and I like nice things. The bike I got has all sorts of expensive upgrades too. Touring seat, crash bars, bash guard, side bags, rear rack, headlight guard, fat kickstand foot and the list goes on and on. Probably would be about 23K if a new bike had all that and my used bike only has 10 K miles on it. No dealer prep charge, no destination charge, and it a freaking Honda! I don't want a bike I have to have in the shop from time to time waiting on parts from who knows where. Thanks for the fantastic work you do to help folks like me make informed decisions on very important purchases.
Great vid! - One thing which almost never seems to be considered when buying a bike is how well it actually fits your own size/frame (in particular when you stand up on it) I've had dozens of bikes over the years and currently have the ATAS - one of the main reasons is that at 6ft 2ins (in bare feet) the ATAS actually lets me ride it off road without being bent double - even more so that the standard AT. I'd like to try a T7 but i suspect it might not be tall enough but would prefer a lighter bike. Having said that i never take a full tank of fuel if I'm going off road its got plenty of range even on half a tank!
Make sure the Adventure Sport model you buy has had the recall done on the fuel cell. I was almost killed on the freeway when my AT died suddenly due to fuel starvation. Almost run over by another vehicle during a passing maneuver. I cleaned the tank and replaced the stock filtration with a Guglatech set. Problem free motorcycle since. DCT model. Love it. Previous GS owner...
What year model was that for?
@@Yutter89 2019
If you consider buying it, please take into account the following: it is a very heavy bike, difficult to pick up on your own and you have to have a proper off road boots (not Toucans or other flip flops but proper boots). It is top heavy. It has jerky throttle at low speed-non of you tube channels mentions it but it is a well known issue if you check more independent forums. While off roading it is very easy to add too much throttle (with obvious consequences) as it is very responsive and kind of on and off, jerky type. It is a great bike in many ways just don't decide to buy it based only on you tube channels. I took the bike off road a few times and decided not to buy it but before, watching endless you tube clips I was convinced it was a bike for me.
Thanks for the honest low down.
One 2017 with 3000 miles manual transmission red, white and black and a silver 2016 DCT in my garage at the moment. Absolutely love the bike.
Great informative video Big Rock Moto! Bought my Australian Africa Twin new in 2016, got the faster, red and black one (old school manual gear change model). Fantastic road and off road bike, cant think of anything that I would like to replace it with . Longest day trip was 10 hours in the saddle and was glad to get off .Now has 30K klms on the clock and third set of tyres .Only problem from new, was replacing the poorly made wheel spokes after corroding inside 5K klms. Fixed under warranty twice and a faulty engine kill switch on the right hand grip. Apparently not adequately greased on the factory floor. Was a common complaint in this country. Otherwise its the best bike I have ever owned. Nearly 70 now !!! and unless the wife sells it from under me ,I will probably take it to the grave! Greetings from Sydney ,Australia.
Wasn't aware of the wheel spoke problem maybe its the crocodile pee from crossing your rivers.what did you buy for replacement spokes? ty and Happy trails ahead
@@gordonjames8811 Could be the crocodile pee....unfortunately the original spokes were not made of stainless steel and hence formed a corrosion on most the spokes ,front and rear, after contact with water. The local Honda rep arranged to replace them with the same batch of spokes that Honda wanted to get out of their warehouse stock . They too corroded within 2000 klms and Honda Australia, in their wisdom replaced them a third time ,at their expense and my inconvenience, with stainless steel spokes. The local mechanic at the Honda dealership shook his head in disbelief at such poor handling of a warranty claim as he was the one to reset the wheels both times .I knew of 3 other Africa twin owners in my local region who had the same problem with these spokes. Still a great bike though!
I toured Australia on my XR250, XL600, & NX650. Much of it was off-road - particularly for the first two bikes. I am looking for another bike for my time in Japan, and the Africa Twin, whilst being a bit pricey, is a safe and natural choice for me. You did a good and helpful review. Thanks.
I bought a 2017 DCT in 2019 for about the same reasons you mention in the video. Jump on the bike, and off you go. No fiddling with a computer and their slow menus and start up. Just like my trusty F6 Valkyrie.
Great Job. I just bought the 2021 GSA and took it off road for the first time and it is BIG. The Africa twin may be a good alternative for around North Idaho and Eastern Washington kicking around,. Keep up the great reviews I’m enjoying them
I have a 2019 AT ADV Sport DCT and I can't imagine not having it now! Its the go anywhere in any weather bike and is more stout than the newer ones!!!! The balance is what convinces you in the end. It can be overwhelming when you first see and sit on it but then you take off!
I just purchased the 2017 Africa twin from a good friend of mine who's owned it since it was new and knowing how he takes care of things and also knowing the quality of Honda machines I bought it even though it was high mileage that 43,000 miles. He had the suspension upgraded. I have put about 8,000 miles on it in the last couple months at least 50% of that was on dirt since I live in Durango Colorado I have a lot of good mountain riding to do. I love the bike! Going to sell my Harley this coming spring.
Great video! I had a 2016 DCT and loved it. Been of the road for 4 years now and looking to get a 21/22 year model. This is coming from 23 years of Goldwing riding!
Today I purchased a 2017 AT for $8k with 10549 on the clock. Used to ride a BMW K100 and this is my first dive into a 50/50 bike. Thanks for the awesome review!
I have a 2018 AT I bought in 2020 myself. I have ridden all kinds of bikes on road and off road but, this honestly is the best bike I have owned yet. Haven't gotten a chance to ride a BMW R1200GS yet but, I can definitely say I'd loose sleep on the decision of getting rid of my AT. I absolutely love it. If you ever think about buying one..... just do it!
It's a great touring/gravel/light offroad bike. I rented a '19 and enjoyed it. Probably great offroad for a better rider than me who is fit enough to pick it up multiple times.
Great video. Thanks for your input. After the video I found a 2016 with 9000 highway miles, and in pristine condition. Traded my KLR and rode the AT home. So far, I’m in love with it😎
I did, I bought one well modified and well cared for 2016 model saved an absolute wad of cash.
I have just completed upgrading for what I believe to be my best all road tourer i have ever owned and still saved about 5K from new for a stock one.
I'm sixty-one years old, and have been riding for 43 years. In that time owning eleven different bikes. I'm also an experienced mechanic that worked on cars, motorcycles, forklifts, and thirty-two years as a licensed aircraft mechanic, working on airliners. I'm about dependability, and competitive performance in my motorcycles. Usually you'll find that in the Japanese bike market, that equates to resale value, to some extent. My current ride is a 2013 Yamaha FJR1300a. My bike has nearly 59,000 miles on it, and I just reshimmed the valves for lash. The valve lash adjustment interval is 26,000 miles. On the first check, at 25,437 miles, all were within specs. This time I adjusted four of the sixteen valves, and they were technically still within specs, but close. It has the original battery, that's now eight years old. The only problem I've ever had is the cruise control cancel switch in the front brake hand lever, recently went bad, for the first time and Yamaha just replaced it on a recall, at no cost. I've become a "dyed-in-the-wool" , Yamaha product loyalist. I've owned Yamahas, Honda, Suzuki and a BMW. I also have many acquaintances and friends that are motorcycle enthusiasts, and of course I hear their stories of this or that going wrong. Several btw are aircraft mechanics, themselves. We're a persnickety bunch. That happens when it comes to a machine being right, and you being the front line of safety for a plane load of people. BTW, I look at a lot of cycle review videos, and am considering a second machine, of the adventure class, myself. I like the Africa twin a lot, but my money would still be on the Tenere. Especially after having watched this ; th-cam.com/video/rGCIKP9w7DE/w-d-xo.html
I bought a used 2016 model in this same color for $9,000. It had 16,000 miles on it. I have had to put on a new set of brake pads and I just replaced the chain and sprockets. I went with a 15/42 over the stock 16/42 and it is perfect. Really made a noticeable difference. You can also turn off the traction control by holding down on the trigger switch. I love this bike except for the fact that the traction control have to be set every time you restart the bike unless you like the traction control on full and the rear abs on.
I just hired this bike for a weekend, and it's amazing on the road. Suspension is much better than tenere 700, engine is damn good. It is a little bit heavier than T7 but changing only battery and exhaust will reduce 5kg.
You hit the nail on the head with this review. Especially the simplicity is key for this model. We just arrived in Ushuaia (most southern tip Argentina) after a 25K miles 2 UP journey started from Anchorage (Alaska) on a 2017 model.
No single issue with the Honda. I like Italian motorcycles but I didn't dare to take the trip with a Multistrada.
How was the crossing from Panama to Colombia?
@@vic_d_10 easy. We used Cargorider to cross. They arrange almost everything like TIP, flight of the bike and transport. We only had to buy our own flight tickets.
I love my 2017, wouldn't replace it with a newer one.
Just bought a 2015 KTM 1290 SA with 24k on it for $9500. It's in really great shape with all the goods already on it. Luggage, custom touring seat, new chain and sprockets. Will be used for mainly road touring but some off road here and there. Thing is a torque monster. Hope I made a good choice. 🤞
Had may CRF for 5 years love it
I just bought 2016 Africa twin which a lot of equipment and 3600 km since was new❤
Bingo! Bought my 2016 in January this year, after spending a couple of months comparing different biks and coming to a lot of the same conclusions you have here. Really nice sweet spot of price/performance/reliability. It's simply the Honda of the category. Got it for $9K with just over 9k miles and some nice extras- factory panniers and top case, crash bars, aux lights etc. There were several around the SF bay / Nor Cal area at the time but everything seems to have dried up since then, I think I got lucky on the timing as the Great Everything Shortage of 2020-21 doesn't seem to be slowing. Good vid!
Another incredible video, thank you! After owning a few KTM's: 2015 500 EXC, 2014 200 XC-W, 2013 250 XC-W and my recent 2018 350 EXC-F, I am no longer planning on buying a KTM. My 2018 350 was purchased from a KTM dealer that replaced the engine after the 'plastic' gear used in the engine failed. Plastic gear in a KTM? Total insanity! Since I no longer plan on technical off-road riding, I am in the market for a nice dual-sport bike. When I used to ride sport bikes up Angeles Crest and Ortega Highways in Southern CA back in the 80's and 90's, Honda was almost always my choice of sport bike. I even purchased a 1990 RC-30 that should still be in my garage but is not. Anyway, I think you are correct about the 2016-2019 Africa Twin. It is a beautiful bike and given the kind of riding that interests me now, I will keep my eyes open for one. Thank you again, you are among the best motorcycle journalists in the business!
Great video! I’m a long time BMW rider that bought a new 2018 AT Adventure Anniversary edition with the DCT. I Love this bike! With 2+yrs and some thousands of miles I like it as much as I did the first day :) If you’re looking used I can attest that they are wonderful.
I bought a used ‘16 AT a few years ago, 4,000 miles. The previous owner had put a lot of aftermarket items on it. I added some Touratech pannier racks and cases. The fork seals started leaking at 11k. I rebuilt the forks with heavier wt oil and Kawasaki fork seals which have 2 seal surfaces vs the stock which has one. My gf and I have a small rv which we use to take the bike on trips(trailered). It does real well two up, we have a blast exploring on it.
I just bought a 2016 AT. Do you have the Kawasaki seals part number?
Welp I traded in my 2019 kTm 790 adventure in on a used 2016 africa twin because of this video. And I have only one thing to say......
THANK YOU!!!!!!
The africa twin despite being older rides soooo much better on the street than the kTm. Haven't took the AT off road yet. The motor isn't as angry as my kTm but I actually like the power displacement on the Honda better than my kTm.
Again.... thank you....
Awesome. Glad it helped
Hello Ian, you bring up some great points, I think a few of the manufacturers have really missed out on what people really want in an adventure bike. Huge exposed TFT screens and 700 modes to set up a ride are not what I would call ideal. I love the sound of a uncorked Africa Twin, it sounds like a Chevy v8 on cherry bomb mufflers! Awesome! You want something that can do some miles on the road and still not worry about it if it falls into a ditch or stream. BMW GS is a fantastic bike for some situations, but not what i am looking for, I thought the KTM 690 was going to be it, but found it not dirt oriented enough at the time and not good enough on road to be the only bike. Now I have a Sherco 300 SEF-R for my playing in the woods, and a CBR 929 for the road, but it is not what dream about. I would love a comfortable upright ride that is durable and dependable, easy to get parts for, and not difficult to work on, given a fairly high level of skill. KTM look the part but here in Australia you pay through the nose for one. The 790 and 890 seem like a good idea but they are not proven yet and over priced to start with. I think I might have to revisit the Africa Twin. Keep up the good work and love the videos!
2024 New years new bike to me!! 2019 Africa Twin Black and gold.. 4k tons of extras 2 set of tusk bags with tourTech crash bars and panniers. 4000 miles clean but not spotless! Needs my total cleaning. Took advantage of winter prices. Traveled 130miles on way but well worth it. Come on warm weather. Around Bend Oregon out on 2 wheels
Thanks for making this video, I'm considering purchasing a used Africa twin. This video helped alot
I spent some time going back and forth about which bike I wanted and why. I came to a lot of the same conclusions that you did back in January/February 2020. I settled on a 2019 Africa Twin and the market was fairly thick with them within a decent driving distance of me in Northwest Arkansas.
I popped in to the local Honda dealer to check out a gently used 2016 and ended up paying $9k cash for it and have enjoyed every minute on it.
Great looking bike. I actually like the looks and simplicity of these earlier bikes and they seem like a great value. Nice video!
I will go for the Africa twin, because I need an off road focused adv bike with good road manners, I need reliability, I need a friendly and easy bike, even the seat height is friendly with 250 mm of ground clearance. It have all the necessary electronics - nothing more nothing less (I prefer 2018-2019 bike as it carries important upgrades including 7 level traction, 3 level engine braking, settings remain same when we turn off etc)
Well then you pick the right bike I love mine
I own the 17’ AT DCT. Great bike! Completely agree! I did just recently drop the bike in a water crossing and broke the right foot peg mount. Camel ADV brace was ordered right away. Install of that brace is far more involved than anticipated but well worth it. Thanks for another great video!
Hi guys,
I work at a Honda dealer in Holland and I bought a New CRF1000 in 2017. Made it completely off Road capable. Mounted Haan off Road wheels, a quickshifter, SW crashbars and off Road steps. Had the suspension done by YSS and also did a ECU flash. I ride the bike 80% off Road and really love it.
I was tempted into buying a new 1100 but changed my minder after delivering the first new bike to a customer. Who needs all that difficult electronics and expensive TFT touch screens??
In this case, LESS IS MORE!!
For my personal use the 1000 is the best bike around!
Mark
Bought a 2019 recently with 7500 miles, so far loving it.
Great video and agree. I was also drawn to a Tenere but it appears that availability will be way off into the horizon. I ended up with a Moto Guzzi V85TT for the time being. Not near as off-road capable but it’s been fun to ride and surprisingly good. Old school engine that is pretty simple and I like it’s not a bike seen every day. Cheers mate
Just bought the V85 TT also. Centenario. Enough off toad capability for me and tons of character! AT looks great too though.
love the guzzi
I was totally looking at the V85 because i love how it looks. However, air cooled engines down here in south Florida are kind of a big no no.
After 5 months on waiting list for a T700 the local dealer dropped the last brand new 2019 AT to $9900. No brainer for me at that price. I’ve put 2k on it so far and love it. After riding the KTM 1290 the last couple years, this feels nimble and sleek. Good balance of off-road ability and pavement munching to get places afar.
That’s the one I bought in March of 2020, when I couldn’t get a T7, got it for $9,964! Got 20k on it. No regrets
That's interesting. In Europe where I live I was able to get a T700 within less than a month in fall last year. I also tested a KTM 1090, and although certainly a bit lighter than a 1290 it was too tall and heavy for me, I feel more comfortable on the Tenere.
Great deal on your ‘19 AT!!!
Agree with your comments about the old v new AT. I waited for the 2020 model as it seemed a large number of improvements. Prefer the tubeless tyres for one, but you’re right about the TFT screen. Too much, too slow, too unreliable. It is not an improvement over the older model, it’s a gimmick. You do have a “favourite switch” though, which I allocated to gravel mode, as they removed the “G” switch on the newer bike. So I can select traction control off with one switch.
This is great content for the real world, hiliting good value used bikes when the secondary mkt presents opportunities to buyers on a budget. More, please !
I just bought a 2017 Africa twin this summer with some modifications already on it 11500 on the clock. It’s my first adventure bike and the best bike I’ve ever owned.
cool
Seems like for 95% of these 2016-2019, people are asking $11k - $12k. And definitely not set up like yours, they're mostly or completely stock. Hoping I can find a deal like yours eventually. Thanks for the informative overview, subscribed.
Where are you located? I just bought a T7 for the channel, I need to sell this bike now. info@bigrockmedia.net to get in touch
@@BigRockMoto Have you sold it yet?
Love your videos and its been interesting to see you evolve and improve. Have Guzzi V85tt and love this bike on and off road. Stripped off the extra non essentials put on some 50/50 tires and I'm sitting on a 6 gallon fully fueled weight of 505 lbs. Lighter than the AT and shaft driven. Love the power output , smooth and simple ride modes that automatically and logically set power delivery, traction control and ABS for Road, Rain and Off-Road. Anyhow, the AT is a great bike and value I've owned many Honda's and they've all been bullet proof and fun to own.
I love this. I’ve gone round and round looking at norden, tenere, Tuareg, v85tt, but I keep coming back to the AT. Tough choices.
No choice at all Africa twin every time everything about it build power handling cost of maintenance reliability I had no questions whatsoever
I was looking pretty hard at the T7 last year when I figured out how hard they were to get. I ended up buying a low mileage 2017 AT with upgraded crash protection and saddlebags for less than 10k. When you consider the current market, taxes, and upgrades to the T7 it was just a way better deal to go with the yesteryear AT.
Just again awesome in-depth detail. Strengths, weaknesses, direct competitors... Everything covered. Should be a salesman, I want to buy it now.
Another great work. Detailed and specific.
2017 Africa Twin absolutely love it. Can’t think of a bike I would replace it with
One of the very best channels on u tube thorough assessment and reviews on adventure bikes
Glad you like them!
I bought a leftover 2019 AT here in 2021. Paid 9k for a new AT. I love the bike. There are a lot of people asking which bike is the best. I don't care what is best. I care if i'm happy with the bike i have.. The AT isn't perfect. It's difficult to reach the air filters and some other stuff. It runs and handles great. It's hard to beat honda's reliability and availability of parts. With good off-road tires it's awesome for what i do (i live off-road). It's just heavy to pick up, as are most 1 liter plus bikes. Some people say they are down on power. Really? 95 HP 75 tq? Low 12's in the 1/4 mile is low on power? My '86 CR500 had around 60hp. It was fun and perfect power for racing with the best of them. Think for yourselves people. The honda AT is Badass..
where did you get the 2019 ? which state ? thanks
Ian I just want to say thanks heaps for your channel. I really like your thorough reviews but your casual style. It works really well and I’m working through watching all your videos. I’m really tossing up between AT and bmw 1250gs. I’m prob gonna go Africa twin. Hi 👋 from Australia 🇦🇺
I am looking at a 2018 africa twin with low miles and this video is so well done I think you've helped make the decision for me
One of your best videos so far, in my opinion. Thanks from Germany
Thanks fella. I have just sold my ST1300 and have a mate selling his 2016 AT which look the business for me. This confirms my choice!
the best version of these awesome Bikes are 2018 or 2019 version (2th version) but 2016 or 2017 are still exceptional ///// 2016 to 2019 are the BEST FRAME absolutely in off road use ///// The 1100L frames 2020 or 2021, (euro5) are for road use mainly ..... Believe me. ( sorry for my english..... (I have Africa Twin ADV Sport 2018)
Thank you very much for this Video. Because this is one of the IMPORTANT Videos for me to buy a crf 1000 Africa Twin dct from 2016 and I love it to ride ❤All the Best for you 🤘🏍️
Issues with: 1. Front suspension 2. Heated grips 3. Gas tank, something pealing 4. Battery placement 5. Windshield mount 6. Kick stand 7. Food pad/stand 8. Can check at 15-20k and oil change each 5k km 9. Rear frame 10. Turn signal (buttons) ... Is this still a worth buying bike?
Great vid . I’ve had 2 gsa 800’s and 2 gsa1200 lc one tiger 800 xcx and the at 2017 model is by far the better bike . Mines the dct model ex touratech display bike so come with all the extras to . I love it
Thanks for sharing
Just got a 2007 BMW GSA 1200 for 6k used with 45k miles and have been super happy with it about 3k miles of riding. Lots of road miles to get to beautiful scenery so havn't pushed the offroad like I will want too eventually but for the price I love it.
Great video Ian! Last year I was looking to buy my first ADV bike. Initially I was looking at used F 800 GSs, which where I live you can get for a reasonable price (around $6000), most of them with low mileage. However, if you are going to want to put some aftermarket parts on the bike then this of course not all the money you'll end up spending. Considering this I started looking at new bikes, namely the Africa Twin and the T700. Test rode both the Africa Twin Adventure Sports with DCT and electronic suspension and the base model. The Adventure Sports wasn't what I was looking for, but I really liked the base model. However, after having tested the T700 also, I was convinced that that was the bike for me. Comes with all the features I want and need, does not have cumbersome (as you pointed out) electronics, is a few grand cheaper and luckily shipped within 3 weeks after purchase. I do not regret my choice, I'm absolutely happy with my T7, although I admit having a look at a used CRF1000L like the one you have would not have been a bad idea :) Only problem was that great deals like the one you got were not really out there in my area, looks like you have more luck in the western US 👍 Anyway thanks for the video, really helps when you're looking for a bike :)
Îm actually on the market to buy ... was pretty sure it was the best for my needs !
With Your shared experience the deal is sealed !
Thanks for the Good work !😉😃
Great and congrats....
Get a tenere if have a GSA
Thank you for this review man. This is so informative on a little older model year Twins for people looking for used bikes, especially these current times. Sometimes the latest model year isn’t needed like myself. Thanx
PS I like that you corrected Fortnine on road/off-road capabilities!
I really wished you had talked about the changes made from 17-18 mainly the fly by wire throttle introduced in 18. That is a big selling point for some inmo. That’s why I will never give up my 17. Ever!
I have a 2019 ATAS that I bought new. Just about to turn 10k miles. I really love this bike. Manual tranny and I put the speed shifter on it which I like a lot.
I’m not a competitor - more of a wanderer who often sees gravel roads and wonders - ooo where does that go?
The AT motor is butter on the road and off. The brakes are a little more squishy than I would like but I can make them work.
Overall this bike is a keeper. Love the look, the ride and am having a lot of fun.
Just bought my 2019 Africa Twin with under 2,000 miles on it for $10,500! Got it for a steal! Absolutely love it. Best Bang for Buck in the ADV market.
great!
I bought a used 2016 AT DCT a few years ago. It’s enjoyable to ride. A few things that I don’t like are the glare from the silver handlebars on the display. The display can also be hard to read in bright sunlight. Another downside is that you have to set the ABS, G-mode, & traction control after every engine start.
Changing the air filters is a real pain, especially if you have crash bars installed.
I still have a long way to go before I outgrow the bike’s capabilities.
In 2017, I bought a 2016 DCT , ex Honda managers bike, fully loaded, with 3000 miles on it.
I've only rode very light off road with road tyres, but 15,000 or so miles later of touring, I Love It.
Select manual and enjoy the seamless gear changes
Why buy a DCT then use manual I never use it
@@thulsadoom544 Probably for technical trails when you need more control
I just picked up 2016 with 2500 on the clock love this bike!!!
Thanks Ian. I met you at the last Flying Monkey Rally at Zion. Keep up the great content.
Thanks, will do!
I'm a beginning rider and just picked up a CB500X (2021). The Africa Twin is something I hope to work up to one day! I'm with you, I LOVE the looks.
I started on a cb500x the early version with the 17” front wheel. Bit cramped for my 6’ 2’ frame and underpowered I thought. So I went all in on a 17 Africa twin dct one owner 1200 miles for a really good price. I had tested a manual at the dealership and loved it . After 2 years with the dct which by the way I absolutely hated I sold that Africa twin . And have been riding a 2020 cb500x for the past 2 and a half years. I was fully intent on not upgrading it at all that was until I stupidly had a test ride on the transalp 750 . Now that bike to me sits in the absolute sweet spot for power and weight and size for me. I live in the uk .
I personally have never ridden offroad myself. But I have been riding for 6 years now. I'm looking at getting a new royal Enfield Himalayan to for second motorcycle to start doing some offroad riding they are cheap and light and easy to ride for a offroad beginner.
The Africa Twin feels a lot heavier than the Tenere 700! It makes a world of difference, especially when maneuvering or when you've got stuck. This year I immersed my 2018 Twin for a new Tenere at the dealership. Off-road, the Tenere is the better choice. Unfortunately, on the highway you already notice 20 hp difference ...
I completely agree with you.
Isn't the Tenor more top heavy?
I have a 2020 model. New from the dealer. Grate bike but as you seed the screen suck at the star up, but for the rest is a grate bike.
But if I head to buy a used one still the twin would rock my hart.
Grate video keep on the good work. :)
Great review and comparisons. Very thorough and detailed. I appreciate and enjoy all your vids. Keep up the good work!
Much appreciated!
Good review, appreciate your straightforward style, keep up the great work.
Purchased a 16 africa twin with a bunch 9f upgrades. Love it.