Like cata/mop/legion are for sure x1000 times better then wotlk, i’d say that all expansions past wotlk are better then in, thing why people are wotlk bitch bois is that was the first and the most casual friendly expansion in history of wow, good nope, accesable yes. Prove me wrong
@@turboglider505 class design wise and raid wise it was actually rlly good, top 3 defo in that aspect, the infrastructure of garrisons and lack of world content at start was bad I agree, but as someone who played last patch of it, I cant say there was no content then, way more then in WotLK
i can do 1 real short for you, glaives = #1 just bis damage and proc Cataclysm Edge #2 super high dps and massive arp Dragonstrike #3 Solid haste proc and decent dps from blacksmith stormherald #4 early blacksmith pvp weapon , solid damage, high stats and stun proc other than that theres a lot of good weapons just nothing realy iconic
The battered hilt 1h agility weapon has a 2.7 speed as well, meaning its top end damage was much better than the other 251ilvl weapons since they were all 2.6 so it was great for rogues, frost dks and prot warriors
Quel'Delar will be the weapon im so gonna do my best to get. I remember back in wrath i was lucky enough to aquire he hilt in pit of saron. The rush i felt when i actually won it was just incredible.
*Inevitable Defeat* was a 2H mace that drops from Naxx 25 that was only second to *Betrayer of Humanity* , that dropped from Kel'Thuzad 25. This weapon dropped from *trash mobs* , so you can easily farm it infinitely and everyone could have it.
Titansteel destroyer can now only equip one? has this always been so? Cause I remember in Retail you were able to dual weild.. but now in Classic you're only able to equip one? with Titan Grip
TBF...This video is good for ONLY the last few patches of WotLK. For most of the expansion (including part of ICC) Fury warriors and Combat rogues uses Armor Pen gems regardless of the socket colour. However, there were more use of the Armor Pen gems during start of ICC due to the armor/weapon drops that has armor pen on them.
No mention of Bryntol, that was absurdly broken on an UH dk as it scaled the shadow damage increasing talents before they were nerfed to only buff DK abilties. The dagger was a great offhand ONLY - you never want a fast dagger in your MH as Mutilate.
I'm still playing WotLK on a blizzlike private server (means everything is the same as the original, except for double XP in level range 20 to 68), patch 3.3.5. I don't know about earlier patches, but in 3.3.5 there are rarely even raids for Naxxramas (except for a weekly quest, where you kill one boss and get out of there). Ulduar is not that popular either, though you can find a raid with some patience. Reason is that heroic dungeon gear is good enough most of the time. You get your battered hilt weapon, which takes about 2 to 3 hours, farm some emblems of triumph, which can be exchanged for your first 4 piece class set. Get accessories for emblems as well. Once you farmed all that stuff you are at a gearscore about 5.3k, which is high enough that you can join a raid for ICC10. From then on you will only run ICC.
Theres a lot more to do than only icc at high end , ICC , RS , TOGC 10 Instanity Run , TOGC 25 for trins or insanity run for best cloaks in game , OS 25 or 10 with all 4 dragons in one fight , just need to be good :d
ive mained fury during wrath and hit 70 the night before but during wotlk ky main was a monster during that expac especially when ya had 16 percent hit rating
@@miafi8340 you'll mostly likely have one arms in the raid or 2nd rogue, just because you offer 4% phys dmg doesn't make combat the 'king' of pve early, when its just a meme compared to assa.
This is wrong, It becomes stronger in Ulduar, You don't need to be ARP capped to play Combat. Assasination will have better burst but Combat is overall better. (Coming from a guy who is currently playing a progression WOTLK server @Ulduar phase and has 7 years on Warmane)
MPP combat literally relies on burst, assassination has no cds, yet you say it has better burst? Xd nice warmane player bro. Enjoy ulduar that is more bugged than it was on lordareon
Tbh none furry warrior or fire mage ( only a few locks ) could be close to my sv hunter in wotlk. Ok i was full heroic geared and as many said in wrong spec ( cus back than,as most ppl say,marks was better ) but still none of mention specs couldnt beat my sv dps. So when blizz decided to destroy range sv i was pissed so much.
Not wanting to front but then you played with a lot of shitty people (Sorry). If you take simulations as a comparrison (Since my own experience would be biased, same as yours) SV is way down agains Furys and Firemages. If I now count in my experience from Raiding (Serverfirst for every Raidtier, including a few high world-rankings) this is just utterly off the chart with SV beeing competitive. If you could compete I would assume you were maybe in a decent guild, with lower than average players on the both superior classes, just playing plain better. The discussion about "Which class is the best and pumps the most" is usually a discussion for the top percentage of the playerbase since below that playerskill is more defining on a lower level of play. If you pumped big numbers, great for you! You could've stepped up a bit more and pushed with a better guild.
@@SplattedRabbit well all that its true. Dont know if i was playing with shitty players but i know i could beat easly the top dps in the top guild on my server back than. Didnt bother to chech top guilds back than. I had fun with my guild and that was enough for me.
Who honestly care about first mace. Naxx is so easy in wotlk that you dont even have to be capped to clear it pritty easy. Remember we accedently did some of the "hardcore" achivments first month and noone farmed gear outside raids. It´s abit like paying 2k for a wep that you will use for maby 2-3 MC clears. Some bosses even on 25 you can easily do with 5-6 players if they got dungeon gear.
You don't have to be capped in any WOTLK raid in order to easily sweep over it. The only 2 challenges in Wrath are Yog+0 and TOGC 50/50 and even for those, you didn't need insanely good gear, just a group where everyone knew what they are doing. Once ICC is out, people are gonna sweep it first week. ICC is a very basic raid with the hardest Boss being PP (which is somewhat mechanical, but.. nowhere close to Yog+0)
Battered hilt was shit as fuck, it was 251 in lich king patch, there was better 258 weapons from 1 patch before, using this weapon in this ranking is misunderstanding
Shout out to all the times I used to equip a shit weapon and pug The icc 5 man's and roll need on the hilt and ah em, legit got about 20 hilts during icc days and made mad gold. I miss those days 🥺
A Fury Warrior was not competing at the top of the dps meters, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. Firemage, Combat and Feral DPS were always top3 unbeaten and untouched in Wrath (ICC/RS BiS).No SM class could even match closely to what these 3 specs put out in dps. If anything, Warrior was the 4th best dps, but even there competing with Afli Lock
@@shockzgaminghd686 most private servers have buffed bosses (HP among buffed stat in all cases) meaning execute phase is longer, meaning fury or any spec benefiting massively from the execution phase, in general, is getting an edge against mage (or other no exe spec). This (probably) won't be the case on classic.
@@janprostejovsky5050 you dont know what youre talking about :D mages have execute, its 12% more dmg below 35% hp. This is a list of wotlk single target dps with bis gear based on my 10 years of playing only 3.3.5: 1. TTW Fire mage 2. Fury warrior 3. Feral dps 3. Combat rogue 3. Affliction lock 5. Marksman Hunter Rest (retri, blood dk, frost dk, assa rogue, unholy dk, demo lock etx) Lowest are BM Hunter, sub rogue, frost mage and ele shaman This assumes bis gear and perfect rotation with tank and spank single target without cleave
And im sorry but it will stay this way in tier 10 wotlk classic as well. SM classes drop lower with pre bis gear, meaning around 5.8-6.3k gear and affli/fire/feral/combat will pull on top.
first of all n 2 is wrong Freya HM is hard coming in to Ulduar and Council HM is easier, 2nd of all Combat is shit untill ToC and even then a geared assassination rogue can keep up.
Titansteel Destroyer is very quick and nobody wants that. There are many more better options even from 5man dungeons. In fact, that weapon is so underwhelming that it sells for less than if you sold all mats separately.
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Wrath of the Lich King is by far the best expansion in wow, change my mind.
Legion
Like cata/mop/legion are for sure x1000 times better then wotlk, i’d say that all expansions past wotlk are better then in, thing why people are wotlk bitch bois is that was the first and the most casual friendly expansion in history of wow, good nope, accesable yes. Prove me wrong
@@jasminhubanic7065 yeah warlords of draenor is the best!
@@turboglider505 class design wise and raid wise it was actually rlly good, top 3 defo in that aspect, the infrastructure of garrisons and lack of world content at start was bad I agree, but as someone who played last patch of it, I cant say there was no content then, way more then in WotLK
Mayable lorewise, but in my case PvP wise everything that’s below MoP was trash, animations and everything.
I’d love to see a BC version of this!
he has one im pretty sure
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I mean glaives must be #1
i can do 1 real short for you,
glaives = #1 just bis damage and proc
Cataclysm Edge #2 super high dps and massive arp
Dragonstrike #3 Solid haste proc and decent dps from blacksmith
stormherald #4 early blacksmith pvp weapon , solid damage, high stats and stun proc
other than that theres a lot of good weapons just nothing realy iconic
The battered hilt 1h agility weapon has a 2.7 speed as well, meaning its top end damage was much better than the other 251ilvl weapons since they were all 2.6 so it was great for rogues, frost dks and prot warriors
@Johnny Guillotine They had the choice of any of the weapons, just like everyone else.
Warriors tanks want fast attacking weapons idk what you're talking about lol
Casually learning Titan's Grip on a Paladin OMEGALUL
WoTLK classic is gonna be so hype
yeah, only reason i subbed to classic. looking forward to that wrath classic
@@MrBrownsugar85 keep paying them. Won't happen
Lol get ready for the population to crash after 3 months and then everyone will go back to private servers
@@sery9285 this comment aged nicely
I gave a battered hilt to my friend and the next week he got an slight upgrade in ICC
big rip
Its good if you do the quest on your first fos pos runs
It carries you from 3k to 5.4k gs no problem
Best weapon was shadowmourne.
More Red Arrows in the Thumbnail yo
Quel'Delar will be the weapon im so gonna do my best to get.
I remember back in wrath i was lucky enough to aquire he hilt in pit of saron.
The rush i felt when i actually won it was just incredible.
*Inevitable Defeat* was a 2H mace that drops from Naxx 25 that was only second to *Betrayer of Humanity* , that dropped from Kel'Thuzad 25. This weapon dropped from *trash mobs* , so you can easily farm it infinitely and everyone could have it.
I personally loved the Nibelung staff. I loved summoning those valkyrs with my Warlock haha.
GOOD jod!!! where are 1h weapon dude???
Titansteel destroyer can now only equip one? has this always been so? Cause I remember in Retail you were able to dual weild.. but now in Classic you're only able to equip one? with Titan Grip
TBF...This video is good for ONLY the last few patches of WotLK. For most of the expansion (including part of ICC) Fury warriors and Combat rogues uses Armor Pen gems regardless of the socket colour. However, there were more use of the Armor Pen gems during start of ICC due to the armor/weapon drops that has armor pen on them.
Byrntrol the boneorbitor I cried when I got it I was like 12
My frost dk with 2 onehand swords was topping dps back then in ICC. So excited to do it all over again 💪
About the dagger from freya, its just a normal offhand, you never want a weapon this fast in your mainhand
No mention of Bryntol, that was absurdly broken on an UH dk as it scaled the shadow damage increasing talents before they were nerfed to only buff DK abilties.
The dagger was a great offhand ONLY - you never want a fast dagger in your MH as Mutilate.
Not true, while 1.8 MH will boost your mut damage, a 1.4 will generate more energy so in the long run they are mostly equal
That's only true for PvP bud
What about val'anyr, hammer of ancient kings
second bullshit, you can go under 1 second by using blade flurry. Blade flurry in assa spec?
Interesting vid, nice!
Gun isn't so strong if u aren't dwarf. U can easly get better one from icc 10hc or 25 norm.
I'm still playing WotLK on a blizzlike private server (means everything is the same as the original, except for double XP in level range 20 to 68), patch 3.3.5. I don't know about earlier patches, but in 3.3.5 there are rarely even raids for Naxxramas (except for a weekly quest, where you kill one boss and get out of there). Ulduar is not that popular either, though you can find a raid with some patience. Reason is that heroic dungeon gear is good enough most of the time. You get your battered hilt weapon, which takes about 2 to 3 hours, farm some emblems of triumph, which can be exchanged for your first 4 piece class set. Get accessories for emblems as well. Once you farmed all that stuff you are at a gearscore about 5.3k, which is high enough that you can join a raid for ICC10. From then on you will only run ICC.
I know I'm late to the party, but, perhaps try a progressive server? Very different experience.
Theres a lot more to do than only icc at high end , ICC , RS , TOGC 10 Instanity Run , TOGC 25 for trins or insanity run for best cloaks in game , OS 25 or 10 with all 4 dragons in one fight , just need to be good :d
To be fair, once you got 100% arp on a warr, your damage will sky-rocket. Even without Gloren hc
Pretty much yes, as long as you got any Wep with good base damage. Arpcap of 1.4k was just so broken and skyrocketed any ARP class
BRK-1000 Was a reference to BigRedKitty right?
ive mained fury during wrath and hit 70 the night before but during wotlk ky main was a monster during that expac especially when ya had 16 percent hit rating
How u wear 2H with paladin?
.learn titan's grip haha
i cant wait to play warrior in wrath!
@Johnny Guillotine what about orcs
Can we get English subtitles?
How is combat the 'king' of pve when its literally worse than assasination in Naxx and Ulduar and only catches up after some togc 10 and 25 items? xd
4% increase physical dmg for anyone attacking the same target is why ppl choose combar over assassination
@@miafi8340 you'll mostly likely have one arms in the raid or 2nd rogue, just because you offer 4% phys dmg doesn't make combat the 'king' of pve early, when its just a meme compared to assa.
@@immerzion6021 ppl play furry instead of arms , and yes sure , i'm really no rogue expert so i'm sure you know better
This is wrong, It becomes stronger in Ulduar, You don't need to be ARP capped to play Combat. Assasination will have better burst but Combat is overall better. (Coming from a guy who is currently playing a progression WOTLK server @Ulduar phase and has 7 years on Warmane)
MPP combat literally relies on burst, assassination has no cds, yet you say it has better burst? Xd nice warmane player bro. Enjoy ulduar that is more bugged than it was on lordareon
Valanyr, shadowmourne, sindy 2h, LK weeps
Sindy doesn't drop any weapons, only one average caster dagger with hit and crit on 10man
maybe i shouldnt have quitted wotlk classic after getting full prebis on my warrior😂
No valanir? KEKW
Can you link the server you make your wotlk videos on? I would love to make such videos based on wotlk
Warmane
This list is so not acurate on many levels.
Tbh none furry warrior or fire mage ( only a few locks ) could be close to my sv hunter in wotlk. Ok i was full heroic geared and as many said in wrong spec ( cus back than,as most ppl say,marks was better ) but still none of mention specs couldnt beat my sv dps. So when blizz decided to destroy range sv i was pissed so much.
Not wanting to front but then you played with a lot of shitty people (Sorry). If you take simulations as a comparrison (Since my own experience would be biased, same as yours) SV is way down agains Furys and Firemages.
If I now count in my experience from Raiding (Serverfirst for every Raidtier, including a few high world-rankings) this is just utterly off the chart with SV beeing competitive.
If you could compete I would assume you were maybe in a decent guild, with lower than average players on the both superior classes, just playing plain better. The discussion about "Which class is the best and pumps the most" is usually a discussion for the top percentage of the playerbase since below that playerskill is more defining on a lower level of play.
If you pumped big numbers, great for you! You could've stepped up a bit more and pushed with a better guild.
@@SplattedRabbit well all that its true. Dont know if i was playing with shitty players but i know i could beat easly the top dps in the top guild on my server back than. Didnt bother to chech top guilds back than. I had fun with my guild and that was enough for me.
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Ayo I told my momma this be shit
Who honestly care about first mace. Naxx is so easy in wotlk that you dont even have to be capped to clear it pritty easy. Remember we accedently did some of the "hardcore" achivments first month and noone farmed gear outside raids. It´s abit like paying 2k for a wep that you will use for maby 2-3 MC clears. Some bosses even on 25 you can easily do with 5-6 players if they got dungeon gear.
You don't have to be capped in any WOTLK raid in order to easily sweep over it. The only 2 challenges in Wrath are Yog+0 and TOGC 50/50 and even for those, you didn't need insanely good gear, just a group where everyone knew what they are doing. Once ICC is out, people are gonna sweep it first week. ICC is a very basic raid with the hardest Boss being PP (which is somewhat mechanical, but.. nowhere close to Yog+0)
Battered hilt was shit as fuck, it was 251 in lich king patch, there was better 258 weapons from 1 patch before, using this weapon in this ranking is misunderstanding
Shout out to all the times I used to equip a shit weapon and pug The icc 5 man's and roll need on the hilt and ah em, legit got about 20 hilts during icc days and made mad gold. I miss those days 🥺
A Fury Warrior was not competing at the top of the dps meters, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. Firemage, Combat and Feral DPS were always top3 unbeaten and untouched in Wrath (ICC/RS BiS).No SM class could even match closely to what these 3 specs put out in dps. If anything, Warrior was the 4th best dps, but even there competing with Afli Lock
Watch some private server gameplay usually top dps it seems
@@shockzgaminghd686 most private servers have buffed bosses (HP among buffed stat in all cases) meaning execute phase is longer, meaning fury or any spec benefiting massively from the execution phase, in general, is getting an edge against mage (or other no exe spec). This (probably) won't be the case on classic.
@@janprostejovsky5050 you dont know what youre talking about :D mages have execute, its 12% more dmg below 35% hp. This is a list of wotlk single target dps with bis gear based on my 10 years of playing only 3.3.5:
1. TTW Fire mage
2. Fury warrior
3. Feral dps
3. Combat rogue
3. Affliction lock
5. Marksman Hunter
Rest (retri, blood dk, frost dk, assa rogue, unholy dk, demo lock etx)
Lowest are BM Hunter, sub rogue, frost mage and ele shaman
This assumes bis gear and perfect rotation with tank and spank single target without cleave
And im sorry but it will stay this way in tier 10 wotlk classic as well. SM classes drop lower with pre bis gear, meaning around 5.8-6.3k gear and affli/fire/feral/combat will pull on top.
first of all n 2 is wrong Freya HM is hard coming in to Ulduar and Council HM is easier, 2nd of all Combat is shit untill ToC and even then a geared assassination rogue can keep up.
Titansteel Destroyer is very quick and nobody wants that. There are many more better options even from 5man dungeons. In fact, that weapon is so underwhelming that it sells for less than if you sold all mats separately.
All of this video is bad.
your woman is bad in bed
Third bullshit, Glorenzeig was good becouse of dmg + expertise not for 3 red gems lol
such a bullshit in a begining, you need mining to get titansteel not the alchemia
90% sure arcane mages where the strongest in wotlk
With low gear, with BiS its Fire mage
Arcane who?
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arcane mage is top dps in wotlk
Yes, it is if the bosses die quick. If not they can be easily taken down by a warr full arp
@@marcosmunhoz3021 the bosses will die quick.