Spawndon No TC was forbidden from 94 until 97 or 98. So it was more less in the hands or feet of the drivers. The NoTC Rule was abondened because it was hard to proove if someone used TC. But Berger Definitely isnt looking as if he is using Traction Control
the cars also dont work well generally when driven sideways. the aerodynamics arent designed that way, and the days when tires were designed for large slip angles and supensions were so tuned ended three decades before. in all ways these are not generally tolerant or rewarding of this sort of driving. it is great to watch though and in this situation it appears to be his fastest option.
Mladen Lakovic yeah, today if you see a F1 oversteering is just as a result of the driver's mistake, you know that the lap time will be affected negatively, and often it ends with a spin. Wow..
iehen Yeah I remeber watchin WRC in the 90's as well, where everyone was sideways all the time because it was the fastest way. It was awesome to watch. F1 is getting back to that a little since the cars have less down-force and power is rising. :)
The cars still have very minimal TC these days, and it is needed because of the philosophy of the cars. The ground effect era we’re in requires the cars to be driven on a very smooth limit. You can’t drift them around like this anymore because they’ll just spin out. It’s not the fault of the driver, it’s just down to how the cars are designed today. Also I’m pretty sure half the grid in the 90s used ABS, TC, and automatic/semi-automatic transmissions.
You can see that Gerhard went wide, so instead of losing speed by tapping the brakes, he stepped on the gas pedal to lose the back end so he could make the turn. What phenomenal skills these drivers had back in the day.
+Kenna fajar putra As if F1 drivers don't have 'skill' anymore. Sure, nowadays you can just pick up anyone from the street, put them in Lewis Hamilton's car and instantly get pole positions and race wins. Why are the drivers even paid real money these days?
Jon Lenin remember this guy drive it a 1500hp(!) F1 car in 1985 a car that even had spinning wheels on the 4th gear! Today I hear engineering tell the driver where and when he should brake... 🙈
Guess what they banend Cigarettes sposrs, and smoking people are even more, they banned alchool and drinking people are more, that prooves the nonsense of banning sponsorships, i ddidn't start smoking because of F1 stikers
I'd like to see drivers use a combination of grip and drift like keiichi tsuchiya uses in like the last 5 minutes of drift bible. Seeing cars sliding/drifting for speed looks way much cooler than shitty competition drifting
The track is actually slightly tighter (chicane after tunnel) these days, modern cars just have much more downforce, more power with a smoother power delivery and faster gear changes, better quality tyre compounds.
look at turn 1 st devote, look at swimming pool complex, look at entry to rascasse. all have have been opened up substantially, added with what you pointed out, a lot faster these days.
gearchanges are huge, tire improvements are huge, brakes are better, that is huge. downforce improvement generally is huge but not sure if its as decisive at monaco. power delivery helps a lot but a good driver can do amazing things here and as a result id say this is less decisive except for extreme improvements or differences. Track changes render comparison not directly useful- its not the same track anymore.
Matt P No, they've been opened up. At Ste Devote, the barrier at the apex was removed and replaced with a flat(ish) kerb. The pit lane runs to the right of where the barrier originally was, along the right-hand carriageway of the junction (travelling in the direction of the circuit). It has never passed "through the corner". The cars have passed to the left of the traffic island there, on the left-hand carriageway, since Ste Devote was first tightened up, years before this video. The swimming pool and La Racasse have also been opened out, removing barriers. See this article: www.carthrottle.com/post/how-the-monaco-grand-prix-circuit-has-changed-since-joining-the-f1-calendar/ Even has a handy overhead shot of Ste Devote... The original poster is correct.
now this is what i call F1! they really need to do something to make modern f1 more fun to watch. back then it used to take skill just to get the car around the track
Press 1 - for the 1st drift Press 8 - for the 2nd (and ** p a f e k u t o **) drift Absolutely stunning not just for the entertainment, but also how just purely talented both Alesi and Berger on the Ferraris at that time! Thank me later.
I know... that Ferrari was the 412 T2 and the engine was the V12 Type 044/1 at 75º. The V10s i was refering to were from the 1996-2005 era. If you read carefully, i implied the Mclaren MP4/13 of 1998 in the first paragraph. Thats what i was talking about the "good old days". I like the noise of the V12, but V10s were much more performant engines, they were lighter and had less fuel consumption than the Ferrari V12. The only circuit were the V12´s made sense were in the old Hockenein circuit.
Very true, I remembered that this Ferrari was the first F1 using a 8 round shaped steering wheel. Next car i remember using it was the McLaren MP4/13 of 1998. The good old day V10 cars... i miss them, rather than these rear winged F3 front winged bulldozers F1 cars. The stepped nose took the final piss on F1 cars.
Kimi Räikönnen already beat that time 2003 during the Race. He sets the Fastest Lap of the race with a 1.14.545. So it took "only" 8 years to beat that time :D Räikönnen smashed the pole Lap of R.Schumacher (1.15.259) with an improvement of 7 tenths of a Second. Sorry for the "Nerd-Action" sir!
I disagree. Look at the onboard perspective between 0:07 and 0:09 , there you can see that the Ferrari 412T2 did not have a round steering wheel. In fact, in 1995 Gerhard Berger was steering the car with this 'pretzel'-shaped steering wheel.
Yes world champion in 2007, carried with Traction control and so many aids that were banned afterwards because it ruined the sport's sensation. Yes he's the number one scrub
1989. Ferrari started with it. It proved really unreliable because of the new design, but later on it matured and now every modern performance car has a set of paddles to shift with.
totally agreed. If you compare Senna's best lap time from 1991 (1m20,3s) to Berger's lap time from 1995, you baiscally compare different technical regulations. If you judge drivers only by their best Monaco lap times regardless of the year these lap times were recorded, you would even have to come to the harebrained conclusion that Berger was faster than Senna, since Gerhard set a lap time of 1m20,0s in 1994(!).
@chioska14 The track was a bit different than it is today, Monaco in 95 had the wall on the inside of the first corner, the swimming pool was very tight and the "schumacher parking" corner had a 90 degree left before hooking back onto the front straightaway instead of a slightly straight line. The cars have improved due to aerodynamics and grip from the tires.
When I looked at the title of this video and its length, I assumed we would see him moving VERY slowly. I see I was quite wrong - a great lap indeed. What car was Panis driving in 1995? I'm pretty sure a full 2 seconds is good.
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When you're in the middle of qualifying but have some tofu to deliver.
JohnDeere's ftw When you turn off the team radio and pump up some eurobeat instead.
Thats trash. F1 will not match to eurobeat tho.
Initial D reference
1:53 the best drift EVER!
Piquet pass on Senna by drifting around the outside is even better. Nonetheless, what Berger did here is a work of art.
Piquet also managed to flip off Senna during said drifting overtake! lol
The best thing is that these cars aren't set up for drifting so something like this is an extra treat.
+MrNinjaFish traction control you mean?
...yes
Spawndon
No TC was forbidden from 94 until 97 or 98. So it was more less in the hands or feet of the drivers.
The NoTC Rule was abondened because it was hard to proove if someone used TC. But Berger Definitely isnt looking as if he is using Traction Control
Nino Schier 2001 actually.
the cars also dont work well generally when driven sideways. the aerodynamics arent designed that way, and the days when tires were designed for large slip angles and supensions were so tuned ended three decades before. in all ways these are not generally tolerant or rewarding of this sort of driving. it is great to watch though and in this situation it appears to be his fastest option.
1:50 is what you're looking for and its well worth it.
+BollocksUtwat
It was, and you're correct.
you're correct
Actually, I was looking for boobs!
1:53 absolutely magnificent!
Well, you don't see that every day! Fucking SPECTACULAR!
Mladen Lakovic yeah, today if you see a F1 oversteering is just as a result of the driver's mistake, you know that the lap time will be affected negatively, and often it ends with a spin. Wow..
iehen Yeah I remeber watchin WRC in the 90's as well, where everyone was sideways all the time because it was the fastest way. It was awesome to watch. F1 is getting back to that a little since the cars have less down-force and power is rising. :)
- Look Gerhard, I have 240SX and I can do awesome drifts!
- Bitch please 1:51
- ...
absolutely magnificent!
cc Mr. Watson
i love it!!!
No kids, he didn't turn off the traction control. There wasn't traction control. They were real pilots with real cars.
The cars still have very minimal TC these days, and it is needed because of the philosophy of the cars. The ground effect era we’re in requires the cars to be driven on a very smooth limit. You can’t drift them around like this anymore because they’ll just spin out. It’s not the fault of the driver, it’s just down to how the cars are designed today. Also I’m pretty sure half the grid in the 90s used ABS, TC, and automatic/semi-automatic transmissions.
You can see that Gerhard went wide, so instead of losing speed by tapping the brakes, he stepped on the gas pedal to lose the back end so he could make the turn. What phenomenal skills these drivers had back in the day.
Back when F1 driver had skill instead of DRS
+Kenna fajar putra As if F1 drivers don't have 'skill' anymore. Sure, nowadays you can just pick up anyone from the street, put them in Lewis Hamilton's car and instantly get pole positions and race wins. Why are the drivers even paid real money these days?
***** Tbh, there was nothing to complain about then.
youre absolutely wrong
Jon Lenin remember this guy drive it a 1500hp(!) F1 car in 1985 a car that even had spinning wheels on the 4th gear! Today I hear engineering tell the driver where and when he should brake... 🙈
F1 in the mid 90s was pretty spectaluar time cars had great engines they looked great and you still had proper advertising on the cars
+STEFAZON500 Like cancer death sticks?
+Grim Bonkers
Most people die of cancer anyway.
+Grim Bonkers What about Martini on Williams cars now, Alcohol is second biggest killer after Smoking in terms of damage..
Guess what they banend Cigarettes sposrs, and smoking people are even more, they banned alchool and drinking people are more, that prooves the nonsense of banning sponsorships, i ddidn't start smoking because of F1 stikers
Grim Bonkers they payed for the racing before all the pussies took over.
love these days. Simple Aero, no DRS. 2-3 Buttons on Steeringwheel and V12 NA.
When driving was about the driver, not the car.
1:51 is just sensational!
When F1 was to die for...Now, between bland commentators, boring drivers and Cars that sound so lame, i find it hard to watch even 1 lap!!
That's what i call real Formula 1......fantastic Sound as well
+CERNIUM Everything always changes. That wasn't "real F1", that was one short moment in F1.
to me....and other racing fans arround the world....it is the real f1.....:-) or better...it should be like that....
This was the real F1. Period.
a must see round ! Berger was anyway one of the most spectacular driver in history
I can't see any ..... wow that's awesome :O
¡¡Qué SINFONÍA eran esos V12 de los `90!! :) :)
Una pena que todo haya cambiado... para peor opino yo. :( :(
Hells YEAH!!!
...back when real men drove real cars
I love how the marshalls lean over to watch when Gerhard is drifting it out of Casino.
Ive been watching this for yrs and i never noticed that
"Drifting isnt fast" Tell that to Berger :V
Sometimes you just have to force the piss out of it to clear the corners faster.
Hell of a driver!
I'd like to see drivers use a combination of grip and drift like keiichi tsuchiya uses in like the last 5 minutes of drift bible. Seeing cars sliding/drifting for speed looks way much cooler than shitty competition drifting
1:50 "Absolutely magnificent"
amazing they go 10 seconds a lap faster in qualy these days. albeit, the track has been modified substantially and openend up.
The track is actually slightly tighter (chicane after tunnel) these days, modern cars just have much more downforce, more power with a smoother power delivery and faster gear changes, better quality tyre compounds.
look at turn 1 st devote, look at swimming pool complex, look at entry to rascasse. all have have been opened up substantially, added with what you pointed out, a lot faster these days.
gearchanges are huge, tire improvements are huge, brakes are better, that is huge. downforce improvement generally is huge but not sure if its as decisive at monaco. power delivery helps a lot but a good driver can do amazing things here and as a result id say this is less decisive except for extreme improvements or differences.
Track changes render comparison not directly useful- its not the same track anymore.
Downforce is huge at Monaco, especially just before swimming pool
Matt P No, they've been opened up. At Ste Devote, the barrier at the apex was removed and replaced with a flat(ish) kerb. The pit lane runs to the right of where the barrier originally was, along the right-hand carriageway of the junction (travelling in the direction of the circuit). It has never passed "through the corner". The cars have passed to the left of the traffic island there, on the left-hand carriageway, since Ste Devote was first tightened up, years before this video.
The swimming pool and La Racasse have also been opened out, removing barriers. See this article: www.carthrottle.com/post/how-the-monaco-grand-prix-circuit-has-changed-since-joining-the-f1-calendar/ Even has a handy overhead shot of Ste Devote...
The original poster is correct.
Berger drove that Ferrari really well around Monaco. Lovely drifting!
Great driver but very underrated. Pure skill call this.Simply awesome.
Fantastic F1 , sound , beauty ........
Glorrrrrious!! That's a man who loves his racing! Awesome!
It`s a shame that these times are over...I just love this sound Ferrari V12, fantastic!
That's not so true. If you realise, corners are easier to take nowadays, because many of them doesn't have a wall now.
Absolutely!
He earned his money that day with that car!
every time I see that I miss the old Heroes more ! great drift Gerhard !
I remember watching this live. The sheer balls of the guy to drift a car at Monaco of all places.
1995 F1 sound better than 2017 F1 Hahahaha
Those rare times when everything lines up and creates perfection. Monaco, 1995, Berger, the Ferrari V12.... and he DRIFTS it! Spectacular...
very sad for me Monaco without AYRTO SENNA ONE OF THE BEST GERHARD's FRIEND. VERY DARK EMOTION's
This is what legends are made of
That cars is just beautiful
Yep the cars from the early90s were beautyful
TWO WORDS:
FUCKING AMAZING !!!
this is just more epic than today
driving....!!! John Watson is fantastic...!!!
Good god, he's mental!
Oooh. Great video! :thumbs up:
Thank you!!
/subscribed
now this is what i call F1! they really need to do something to make modern f1 more fun to watch. back then it used to take skill just to get the car around the track
This comment is nine years old. In the meantime, F1 got worse and worse.
Senna is proud of his friend
this is what i called real formula 1
Engine on point. Chassis dogshit. Suspension hopeless. Headphones on ... David Bowie....let's dance. Beautiful.
He been learning from his friend Senna :)
Quien esta aqui por el drift de berger que se hizo viral el 3/11/2020?
Press 1 - for the 1st drift
Press 8 - for the 2nd (and ** p a f e k u t o **) drift
Absolutely stunning not just for the entertainment, but also how just purely talented both Alesi and Berger on the Ferraris at that time!
Thank me later.
A fantastic driver, how unlucky was Gerhard to be driving in the era of Prost, Senna, Mansell and Schumacher?
What are you talking about?? Сince the configuration of this urban track was noticeably changed
Smooth :)
Goosebumps!!!! Every single time I watch it!
John Watson......after Hunt !!! but i Always liked Watson....he´s a Gent !!!
Not compare Senna
I know... that Ferrari was the 412 T2 and the engine was the V12 Type 044/1 at 75º.
The V10s i was refering to were from the 1996-2005 era. If you read carefully, i implied the Mclaren MP4/13 of 1998 in the first paragraph. Thats what i was talking about the "good old days".
I like the noise of the V12, but V10s were much more performant engines, they were lighter and had less fuel consumption than the Ferrari V12.
The only circuit were the V12´s made sense were in the old Hockenein circuit.
Very true,
I remembered that this Ferrari was the first F1 using a 8 round shaped steering wheel. Next car i remember using it was the McLaren MP4/13 of 1998.
The good old day V10 cars... i miss them, rather than these rear winged F3 front winged bulldozers F1 cars.
The stepped nose took the final piss on F1 cars.
Kimi Räikönnen already beat that time 2003 during the Race.
He sets the Fastest Lap of the race with a 1.14.545.
So it took "only" 8 years to beat that time :D
Räikönnen smashed the pole Lap of R.Schumacher (1.15.259) with an improvement of 7 tenths of a Second.
Sorry for the "Nerd-Action" sir!
I disagree. Look at the onboard perspective between 0:07 and 0:09 , there you can see that the Ferrari 412T2 did not have a round steering wheel. In fact, in 1995 Gerhard Berger was steering the car with this 'pretzel'-shaped steering wheel.
Yes world champion in 2007, carried with Traction control and so many aids that were banned afterwards because it ruined the sport's sensation. Yes he's the number one scrub
Kimi Raikkonen did it First, and he is always First also in F1...Funny isnt it..Hes just awesome..Maybe one of the best formula one drivers ever
I was just annoying you guys, but Raikkonen IS mu favorite but hes not near as good as Senna thats a fact, but maybe he will one day be..
Imagine being inthe tunnel when this this went through. You'd get permanent hearing damage, but it would be worth it.
love it!!!!
Anteriore guidato da un piede al 60%.posteriore senza carico
Ronnie Peterson, Jody Scheckter ; Gilles Villenueve and Gerard Berger Are DRIFT KINGS!!!!!
The cars seem faster than these in 2012 but that's probably just the way it looks like...
Berger & Alesi, what a team!
When you panis inside Berger
Maybe it has to do with the older cars being shorter?
The track is much faster nowadays with the new swimming pool and the new rascasse
Berger was like 4th in qualification for that race... But I am pretty sure that David Coulthard, Schumacher, and Hill were not trying that hard.
Shit box. As can be told by Nikki Lauda
Great drive! Like 80s...
And now they qualify on 1.10s
1989. Ferrari started with it. It proved really unreliable because of the new design, but later on it matured and now every modern performance car has a set of paddles to shift with.
Fast & Furious Tokyo Drift: Challenge Acepted
Just making my monthly stop at this video
Fun fact: Berger didn't like oversteering setups.
More of crazy Berger:
th-cam.com/video/wMIiLZJr0do/w-d-xo.html
At that point when drifting an F1 car its like a go-kart! Same aspect but on a whole different scale
Lookadat*GLOOOOORIOUUUUS*
totally agreed. If you compare Senna's best lap time from 1991 (1m20,3s) to Berger's lap time from 1995, you baiscally compare different technical regulations. If you judge drivers only by their best Monaco lap times regardless of the year these lap times were recorded, you would even have to come to the harebrained conclusion that Berger was faster than Senna, since Gerhard set a lap time of 1m20,0s in 1994(!).
I think this is the car with the most spectacular engine sound ever
@chioska14 The track was a bit different than it is today, Monaco in 95 had the wall on the inside of the first corner, the swimming pool was very tight and the "schumacher parking" corner had a 90 degree left before hooking back onto the front straightaway instead of a slightly straight line. The cars have improved due to aerodynamics and grip from the tires.
The 10 seconds of lap time improvement has mainly come from the decrease in weight accomplished by removing the driver's balls...
nice cars back than
Press 8 for respect.
When I looked at the title of this video and its length, I assumed we would see him moving VERY slowly. I see I was quite wrong - a great lap indeed. What car was Panis driving in 1995? I'm pretty sure a full 2 seconds is good.
Had no idea Ben Edwards had been commentating on F1 for so long
GLOOORIUOS 1:52
Fucking hell!
The ferrari V12 sounds just like a boss.
in 1995 Ferrari vas still using a V12 :)
Not sure if they were the first but Ferrari used one in 1989, horribly unreliable it was too!
Panis was driving for Ligier in 1995. I think it was the JS41 car but I'm not 100% sure.