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I've found that even rolling the tone knob on the guitar back a little bit helps eliminate fizz. With that said, it helps when the aforementioned tone knob has a smooth sweep.
Been doing this for a long time, but this was awesome to nerd out to with my morning coffee. I love seeing how different musicians handle the same situation. Keep'm coming!
Nice! And I agree! I could watch audio tutorials all day long! I always learn some new tip or perspective because there are a million ways to skin a cat!
Good lesson. I always go for the freq that sounds the same no matter the note being played, which is exactly what you did. 3.5k and 4k are notorious on guitars. Subtractive eq is the best type of eq. I usually go two to three cuts per boost. Just my rule. Love the content. More mix videos bub. There is always more to learn.
I use the same method as well. The way I was taught was this: essentially any frequency boosted to that extreme will sound bad; inexperienced engineers could easily cut the wrong frequency and make the mix worse if they don't know to listen for that unchanging whistle.
This is by far the most useful thing I've learnt while doing my own mixes, trying to faff around with guitar tons to disappear the sounds rather than doing this so so much harder (and didn't work as well) killer man! Keen to see more, as always!
Great tip ! I think the key is to keep those EQ moves quite subtle in order to clean the tracks without loosing the character of the original guitar sound
I was just dealing with this same issue earlier this morning - fizzy high mids - on an old guitar track I was trying to EQ and clean up. Thanks for the tips!
This is the most informative guitar production video on youtube solid basics and foundation will get you the best results. .thanks to your sir rob once again a worth it youtube video from your channel...pls do more of these... cheers brother..❤❤❤❤
Man rob your the best. Really dig the long videos and your so good at explaining things to were people can understand. Im always learning something new when watching your videos. I love going back to older videos and learn something new with the older videos cause I always find something I didn't catch the first few times when watching them. You have me playing my best and progressing each day . Other best thing is your dvd is were I really like practicing with that DVD.
Oh my. I would get confused doing this. I play raw black metal. I use Metal Zone plug in, Tube screamer plugin and TrVe Cab IR, Kvlt Drums. I tune my Used BC Rich to E and hit record. For some reason, I prefer the raw hiss and coldness with lots of reverb for atmosphere.
Great video, Rob! Looking forward to the next one! Balancing the bass and the kicks together is really difficult imo. Letting both be powerful and have their place in the mix.
Right on! Going to film the low end video today! The focus won't be on the kick and bass relationship, but the concept I'll explain will be equally as important and beneficial!🤘
Great video man! This is exactly what I’ve been trying to learn as much as possible of. Those eq tricks make all the difference. I still got a ways to go, but I’ve been working on all of this for a solo thing im doing. Im no no master mixing engineer, but it’s the difference between something you would hear on the radio, and a local band mix tape. Would love to see how you use compression. That’s another huge thing im trying to learn as much as i can about. 🤘
I sure could hear the difference when you was switching the EQ on and off. I was like hearing the song in stereo and then in mono. My head phones are not the best, but I did notice the tune switching from the back of my head phones to the front. This video is a good way of getting to know how parts of a song can be heard. And how to take out what doesn't need to be in a song. Yes please lets see more video's like this Rob.
@@RobArnoldWorld Just to let you know Rob the video that you did for Army of me last weekend. Someone found it being played live and it was shared it to my group page. It doesn't say where it was at. Only thing is the video was put on TH-cam in Sep 26 2008. You was wearing a Machine head T-shirt and Mark still had his long hair.
I’m going through that right now in my mix. The issue I have is once I find one of the whistles, another one pops up and then before I know it, I’ve scooped the entire track of any life. Idk if there is a plugin (maybe a de-esser?) that can eliminate these harsh sounds without having to make so many cuts.
Hmm... without hearing and seeing what you've got going on, I can't say for sure. But here are a couple ideas I can suggest: 1) If your signal is plagued with unwanted frequencies, and you're having to perform a ton of surgery on it, perhaps you could try improving the signal BEFORE it hits your DAW. New strings, nice pickups, quality cables, a nice DI box and a CLEAN DI signal, or a CLEAN mic signal if you're micing a cab. Mic placement on your cab is more important than any EQ you may apply in post. But if all that's good, maybe it's your distortion that's causing all the problems? Whether it's an amp sim or an actual amp, try improving the signal through EQ and saturation ON the amp or amp sim itself, before hitting record. Then you'll have less work to do in post. 2) If all else fails, I find myself sometimes doing this to repair bad guitar sounds: First, surgically remove unwanted frequencies and noises with a transparent EQ. In your case, this may strip some life out of the signal as you mentioned. But then after that, ADD back in some top end with a nice EQ with some good coloration to it, to add some life. Rule of thumb is to cut before you boost. This way when you boost, you're not boosting any unwanted stuff. Good luck!🎸
The entire guitar track. If for some reason a track needs specialized EQ, I'll either just create a new track with the different processing, or I'll automate the EQ curves as necessary!
when I tend to go direct into my interface I get a lot of low end that makes the plugins very whuffy in the bottom end. Do you plug into anything before going into your interface?
I just go straight into a preamp channel on my interface! Check out a reply I just made to a dude with pretty much the exact same question you're wondering about.... "No reason you can't add a little high end boost to your front end to get your DI's sounding brighter if you need to! But check this out... a long time ago, I sent some DI's to another engineer who was going to re amp them for an album. He told me my DI's sucked, and that they were all distorted. It was then that I actually got under the hood and REALLY listened to my DI's. Before then, I never really analyzed my DI's because everything sounded great through an amp sim. So I figured everything was cool. But after I really made an effort to make sure my DI's were crisp and clean, with no clipping, I noticed that even the distorted sound through the amp sim sounded better. Just goes to show how important a great source signal is. 🎸"
@@RobArnoldWorld wow! it looks limited/compressed and sounds very clear with no muds with enough hi frqns! My DI sounds like it's rather low-pass filtered((
@@AlexSilvan No reason you can't add a little high end boost to your front end to get your DI's sounding brighter if you need to! But check this out... a long time ago, I sent some DI's to another engineer who was going to re amp them for an album. He told me my DI's sucked, and that they were all distorted. It was then that I actually got under the hood and REALLY listened to them. Before then, I never really analyzed my DI's because everything sounded great through an amp sim. So I figured everything was cool. But after I really made an effort to make sure my DI's were crisp and clean, with no clipping, I noticed that even the distorted sound through the amp sim sounded better. Just goes to show how important a great source signal is. 🎸
@@RobArnoldWorld Right! As good as possible from the sourse... I recently started to pay attention to DI, and noticed the same that they clipping and sound muddy and also distorted, it turned out that my cable was worn out, the replacement helped a little with clipping, but it sounds a little dull! Maybe DI box will fix it a little! Thank you very much, Rob))
@@AlexSilvan It might! I thought the same thing early on, and bought a nice DI hoping it would improve my signal. In my opinion, it didn't do much though, and I'm back to just utilizing the Hi-Z input on my interface. But give it a go and see what happens. There are no rules!
Thanks for the video Rob! Really helpful!! I was having alot of problems with the noise and always thought it was the high end and could never sort it out. I usually bring the low end to about 200hz at -6db, what do you move it too? My tone from the front of the amp sounds like your self titled album!
@@M.C.R.SYNTRN I'll always cut out the end at about 60Hz. I demonstrate that at the very end of the video. Check it out if you missed it! Also- is your cut at 200Hz a shelf or a bell?
@@M.C.R.SYNTRN Ok! I realize all of this can be overwhelming, so that's why I try and take my time explaining everything. Please keep watching as you said, and hopefully things become more clear with every video!
@@RobArnoldWorld Maybe another video on this. As many musician are doing all this and the songs and album sounds good, Then live.....people are shocked wtf ! Thanks
Makes EQ look like a skateboard ramp, Hur Hur Hur chugs go BRRRRRTTTT! Im not the sharpest tool but thisll help haha thanks dude. Fucking Demo track was killer.
Great stuff! Do you think that miking up a real amp and cab would help avoid that upper mid harshness? I am sure you've tracked tons of real amps in your career, so hoping to hear back from you :)
Dropping that knowledge. Thank you. Going to test this out with my peavey invective and esp ltd sn-1 combo. I'm a recording noob, so I appreciate the input. Also side note. Do you offer mixing and mastering to people? Thanks, Rob.
Awesome bro! Sounds like you've got a killer setup! The SN-1 is dope! Those Invectives look sweet too! Not currently offering and services because all my time is going towards my own stuff. Happy to help through teaching here on TH-cam though!🤘
@@RobArnoldWorld I understand. It's a killer combo. That amp is worth every penny. Helps that my sweetwater sales guy hooked me up a little though. 🤣 Appreciate the quick response. Have a great Sunday!
Bass at 5:45. Treble at 4:03. Mids at 10:50. Aka the Boss Zone special... Just me lol? Audio engineering is like rocket science to me all I know is that upper range has never been my cup of tea. Does seem like the treble instruments require more low end while bass instruments require more high end to lessen muddyness? If I am understanding correctly.
Not exactly... It's more about containing frequencies from instruments in the range they're intended to live in. So high end instruments like cymbals should stay in the high end, and should have any unwanted low end information removed. And lower end instruments like a kick drum, should have their sonic presence kept down low, except for any attack (high end) accentuation you want present in your mix. Mid range instruments should live in the midrange. And that's why sculpting signals with EQ is so important, as it cleans up and organizes the total frequency spectrum for a better sounding mix!
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This is my formal request for more mixing videos! This is awesome as always!
You got it bro!🤘
Agree
This also seems to be a tonehub thing - 3.5 to 4k is the problem zone for many of the presets. Once you cut that out it sounds so tight
I've found that even rolling the tone knob on the guitar back a little bit helps eliminate fizz. With that said, it helps when the aforementioned tone knob has a smooth sweep.
You explained this so well! Can't wait for the low frequency tips and tricks
Awesome!
Been doing this for a long time, but this was awesome to nerd out to with my morning coffee. I love seeing how different musicians handle the same situation. Keep'm coming!
Nice! And I agree! I could watch audio tutorials all day long! I always learn some new tip or perspective because there are a million ways to skin a cat!
@@RobArnoldWorld Well said brother.
Good lesson. I always go for the freq that sounds the same no matter the note being played, which is exactly what you did. 3.5k and 4k are notorious on guitars. Subtractive eq is the best type of eq. I usually go two to three cuts per boost. Just my rule. Love the content. More mix videos bub. There is always more to learn.
I use the same method as well. The way I was taught was this: essentially any frequency boosted to that extreme will sound bad; inexperienced engineers could easily cut the wrong frequency and make the mix worse if they don't know to listen for that unchanging whistle.
This is by far the most useful thing I've learnt while doing my own mixes, trying to faff around with guitar tons to disappear the sounds rather than doing this so so much harder (and didn't work as well) killer man! Keen to see more, as always!
Right on bro!
Great tip ! I think the key is to keep those EQ moves quite subtle in order to clean the tracks without loosing the character of the original guitar sound
Well said!
Hell yeah man. Keep ‘em coming with the Pro Tools guitar recording/editing/mixing content. Lovin it
Glad to hear it bro!
I was just dealing with this same issue earlier this morning - fizzy high mids - on an old guitar track I was trying to EQ and clean up. Thanks for the tips!
Glad to help!
Thanks Rob
I do this on all of my guitar tones and I am glad that you are showing people how to do this!
Nice! You don't know until you know!
This is the most informative guitar production video on youtube solid basics and foundation will get you the best results. .thanks to your sir rob once again a worth it youtube video from your channel...pls do more of these... cheers brother..❤❤❤❤
Thanks a lot man! I'm very happy to hear that!🤘
Just tried this for the first time. Holy crap what a difference. When that bypass is pressed 😮
Right on! 🎸
I didn't get a notification for this video! This is pure gold, Rob! Thank you so much!
Hey man glad to hear it! (well, not that you weren't notified, but that you're digging it!) Cheers!
Loving these audio engineering videos, really helpful!
I'm super happy to hear that man! 🎸
Man rob your the best. Really dig the long videos and your so good at explaining things to were people can understand. Im always learning something new when watching your videos. I love going back to older videos and learn something new with the older videos cause I always find something I didn't catch the first few times when watching them. You have me playing my best and progressing each day . Other best thing is your dvd is were I really like practicing with that DVD.
You know I love hearing all of that Ryan! Music to my ears bro!🤘
You are a really good comunicator man, nice trick this one, hope to see the next ones, cheers
Thanks Paulo!🤘
Thanks for this dude! I'm going to give this a go tomorrow and see how it turns out. I'd love to be a fly on your studio for a week
Cool Scott! More on the way bro!
This is exactly why I use a parametric eq on my pedal board.. Great lesson man . Keep up the knowledge train brother. Well done
Right on Rob!🤘
Excellent
such a simple little trick, but so effective! love these sorts of videos Rob!
Glad to hear it Jack!
Much appreciated, thanks for the knowledge.
Thanks Rob for the excellent lesson!
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Sometimes less is more, … good tutorial👍
Right on!
Simply put!One of the Best to Play Metal Music,Your Great! Thankyou 👍🤘
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Best explanation ever !! I am confused with finding the ugliest spot on my tracks, when I move the Freq knob it looks like all spots are ugly xD
Uh oh!
Oh my. I would get confused doing this. I play raw black metal. I use Metal Zone plug in, Tube screamer plugin and TrVe Cab IR, Kvlt Drums. I tune my Used BC Rich to E and hit record. For some reason, I prefer the raw hiss and coldness with lots of reverb for atmosphere.
I hear ya man! This video is more of a mixing/production tutorial type thing. Do your thing!🤘🎸
Great video, Rob! Looking forward to the next one! Balancing the bass and the kicks together is really difficult imo. Letting both be powerful and have their place in the mix.
Right on! Going to film the low end video today! The focus won't be on the kick and bass relationship, but the concept I'll explain will be equally as important and beneficial!🤘
Great video man! This is exactly what I’ve been trying to learn as much as possible of. Those eq tricks make all the difference. I still got a ways to go, but I’ve been working on all of this for a solo thing im doing. Im no no master mixing engineer, but it’s the difference between something you would hear on the radio, and a local band mix tape. Would love to see how you use compression. That’s another huge thing im trying to learn as much as i can about. 🤘
Glad to hear it man! Just keep working at it and I'll help all I can! I'll try and get a compression vid together!
I sure could hear the difference when you was switching the EQ on and off. I was like hearing the song in stereo and then in mono. My head phones are not the best, but I did notice the tune switching from the back of my head phones to the front. This video is a good way of getting to know how parts of a song can be heard. And how to take out what doesn't need to be in a song. Yes please lets see more video's like this Rob.
Cool Darren! Glad you were able to enjoy it!
@@RobArnoldWorld Just to let you know Rob the video that you did for Army of me last weekend. Someone found it being played live and it was shared it to my group page. It doesn't say where it was at. Only thing is the video was put on TH-cam in Sep 26 2008. You was wearing a Machine head T-shirt and Mark still had his long hair.
@@RobArnoldWorld Plus you did play it at your home show back in 2017
@@619dar Nice!
@@619dar That's right! I'd love to see some video of that!
Thanks for tips! 🇧🇷👏🙌
I’m going through that right now in my mix. The issue I have is once I find one of the whistles, another one pops up and then before I know it, I’ve scooped the entire track of any life. Idk if there is a plugin (maybe a de-esser?) that can eliminate these harsh sounds without having to make so many cuts.
Hmm... without hearing and seeing what you've got going on, I can't say for sure. But here are a couple ideas I can suggest:
1) If your signal is plagued with unwanted frequencies, and you're having to perform a ton of surgery on it, perhaps you could try improving the signal BEFORE it hits your DAW. New strings, nice pickups, quality cables, a nice DI box and a CLEAN DI signal, or a CLEAN mic signal if you're micing a cab. Mic placement on your cab is more important than any EQ you may apply in post.
But if all that's good, maybe it's your distortion that's causing all the problems? Whether it's an amp sim or an actual amp, try improving the signal through EQ and saturation ON the amp or amp sim itself, before hitting record. Then you'll have less work to do in post.
2) If all else fails, I find myself sometimes doing this to repair bad guitar sounds:
First, surgically remove unwanted frequencies and noises with a transparent EQ. In your case, this may strip some life out of the signal as you mentioned. But then after that, ADD back in some top end with a nice EQ with some good coloration to it, to add some life.
Rule of thumb is to cut before you boost. This way when you boost, you're not boosting any unwanted stuff. Good luck!🎸
Rob, do you just make this one change for the whole guitar track or do you have to go through and make it to every riff somehow?
The entire guitar track. If for some reason a track needs specialized EQ, I'll either just create a new track with the different processing, or I'll automate the EQ curves as necessary!
Also fuckin’ great riff, it’s already stuck in my head, PLUS…great title! DEADBOLT. Can’t wait for that shit brother
Haha YES!🤘
11:13 Had me dying 😂
Super helpful hint that's probably going to help alot of bands/producer's recordings come out way cleaner & crisp. NO CLASS \m/ 😎
when I tend to go direct into my interface I get a lot of low end that makes the plugins very whuffy in the bottom end. Do you plug into anything before going into your interface?
I just go straight into a preamp channel on my interface! Check out a reply I just made to a dude with pretty much the exact same question you're wondering about....
"No reason you can't add a little high end boost to your front end to get your DI's sounding brighter if you need to! But check this out... a long time ago, I sent some DI's to another engineer who was going to re amp them for an album. He told me my DI's sucked, and that they were all distorted. It was then that I actually got under the hood and REALLY listened to my DI's.
Before then, I never really analyzed my DI's because everything sounded great through an amp sim. So I figured everything was cool. But after I really made an effort to make sure my DI's were crisp and clean, with no clipping, I noticed that even the distorted sound through the amp sim sounded better. Just goes to show how important a great source signal is. 🎸"
Definitely a difference 🤘🏻💀👊🏼new patron btw😁
Dude! I KNEW your name rang a bell! I hope you saw the message I recently sent you over on Patreon! Cheers and thanks for joining up brother!
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@@RobArnoldWorld I will check..bad ass riff too👊🏼
@@anythingnothing1874 Thanks Jeremy!🤘
what is for the pre-processing of the DI's, Rob?! Please!))
None bro! Guitar straight into a preamp channel on my interface!
@@RobArnoldWorld wow! it looks limited/compressed and sounds very clear with no muds with enough hi frqns! My DI sounds like it's rather low-pass filtered((
@@AlexSilvan No reason you can't add a little high end boost to your front end to get your DI's sounding brighter if you need to! But check this out... a long time ago, I sent some DI's to another engineer who was going to re amp them for an album. He told me my DI's sucked, and that they were all distorted. It was then that I actually got under the hood and REALLY listened to them.
Before then, I never really analyzed my DI's because everything sounded great through an amp sim. So I figured everything was cool. But after I really made an effort to make sure my DI's were crisp and clean, with no clipping, I noticed that even the distorted sound through the amp sim sounded better. Just goes to show how important a great source signal is. 🎸
@@RobArnoldWorld Right! As good as possible from the sourse... I recently started to pay attention to DI, and noticed the same that they clipping and sound muddy and also distorted, it turned out that my cable was worn out, the replacement helped a little with clipping, but it sounds a little dull! Maybe DI box will fix it a little! Thank you very much, Rob))
@@AlexSilvan It might! I thought the same thing early on, and bought a nice DI hoping it would improve my signal. In my opinion, it didn't do much though, and I'm back to just utilizing the Hi-Z input on my interface.
But give it a go and see what happens. There are no rules!
Thanks for the video Rob! Really helpful!! I was having alot of problems with the noise and always thought it was the high end and could never sort it out. I usually bring the low end to about 200hz at -6db, what do you move it too? My tone from the front of the amp sounds like your self titled album!
Glad to hear it was helpful bro! Oh, and I don't understand your question!
@@RobArnoldWorld When you are EQing do you typically move your LF?
@@M.C.R.SYNTRN I'll always cut out the end at about 60Hz. I demonstrate that at the very end of the video. Check it out if you missed it!
Also- is your cut at 200Hz a shelf or a bell?
@@RobArnoldWorld i watched it but didnt understand it haha ill just wait and watch the follow up and let you talk us through it buddy ;)
@@M.C.R.SYNTRN Ok! I realize all of this can be overwhelming, so that's why I try and take my time explaining everything.
Please keep watching as you said, and hopefully things become more clear with every video!
How are going to get this tone live ?
Determination.
@@RobArnoldWorld Maybe another video on this. As many musician are doing all this and the songs and album sounds good, Then live.....people are shocked wtf ! Thanks
Makes EQ look like a skateboard ramp, Hur Hur Hur chugs go BRRRRRTTTT!
Im not the sharpest tool but thisll help haha thanks dude.
Fucking Demo track was killer.
Haha 🛹🤘
Great stuff! Do you think that miking up a real amp and cab would help avoid that upper mid harshness? I am sure you've tracked tons of real amps in your career, so hoping to hear back from you :)
Nope! The exact same buildup of harsh frequencies are present in that area no matter what kind of rig you're running through! 🎸
Dropping that knowledge. Thank you. Going to test this out with my peavey invective and esp ltd sn-1 combo. I'm a recording noob, so I appreciate the input. Also side note. Do you offer mixing and mastering to people? Thanks, Rob.
Awesome bro! Sounds like you've got a killer setup! The SN-1 is dope! Those Invectives look sweet too!
Not currently offering and services because all my time is going towards my own stuff. Happy to help through teaching here on TH-cam though!🤘
@@RobArnoldWorld I understand. It's a killer combo. That amp is worth every penny. Helps that my sweetwater sales guy hooked me up a little though. 🤣 Appreciate the quick response. Have a great Sunday!
@@nolandisconnect Right on! My Sweetwater rep rules too! Billy Germano! Who's yours?
@@RobArnoldWorld Ryan Wiltermood for like 8 years now. Always super helpful.
Bass at 5:45. Treble at 4:03. Mids at 10:50.
Aka the Boss Zone special... Just me lol?
Audio engineering is like rocket science to me all I know is that upper range has never been my cup of tea. Does seem like the treble instruments require more low end while bass instruments require more high end to lessen muddyness? If I am understanding correctly.
Oh and those aren't time stamps, I meant like on an analog clock or a steering wheel lol.
Not exactly... It's more about containing frequencies from instruments in the range they're intended to live in. So high end instruments like cymbals should stay in the high end, and should have any unwanted low end information removed. And lower end instruments like a kick drum, should have their sonic presence kept down low, except for any attack (high end) accentuation you want present in your mix. Mid range instruments should live in the midrange. And that's why sculpting signals with EQ is so important, as it cleans up and organizes the total frequency spectrum for a better sounding mix!
120 hz... MUD BUTT.
Look at yer...
What's your take on binge drining while touring "then" (15 y ago) and now (being ×× y of age)?
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Loved it while it was happening, but now as I look back, I know my playing suffered big time because of it!