Emotions run high on the Hudson - Great Loop #4 - Sailing Life on Jupiter EP83
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- A tough decision which will result in a significant financial loss, but we don't really have any affordable choice. Eventually we are underway upstream the Hudson River. Jamie does some testing with the watermaker in the river....before receiving some very upsetting news.
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Not sure if I had an unusual experience but we use Tow Boat US. We had that happen in our Grand Banks. We called Towboat, they gave us the number of a diver, brought him out for nothing and we paid the diver $250. That was high but cheaper than losing chain and anchor.
Was that in NYC Skip? … that woulda been a nice option…. Did they discount the diver because of your insurance?
@@SailingLifeonJupiter not NY, we were in New Orleans area. We negotiated with the diver. We were a little flexible on time. I’m not sure if BoatUS gave us a break, we pay them annually for towing and had not used them for years, so they may have thrown us a bone. Are you a member of BoatUS, if not it would have been much more expensive.
This was thru Tow Boat membership, thru BoatUS.
Not sure of relative costs of divers in US, but certainly in Mediterranean it would have been my goto option
By now I would probably shell out the time and money to fly to Hong Kong, close the account and show them the finger. Hell of a trip - but still better than enduring that stressful limbo. Geez. Banks are just the worst.
I wish I had the time and money for that Torsten…but this was during the height of COVID…. I think HKG was closed to tourists at that point.
@@SailingLifeonJupiter Either way. I hope you get/got it sorted, mate. I can just imagine the frustration.
Interesting episode. First, I would have dove that chain. I was a navy diver for 12 years and I have dove on much worse...just make sure you can ditch your BC if you need to. I usually tie a line to the shank of my anchor with a float at the end. That way, I can go get the anchor back if I have to sacrifice some chain. Anchors are really expensive for good ones.
Second, there is a product called iso-heat that takes water out of fuel. It works really well. The Navy has been using it for years in small boats and RIBs.
Third, you should have had an oil/fuel-absorbing mat under that fuel tank and bucket. They are cheap in any marine store or online catalog. I carry a case of them on my boat to line the bilges under my engines (catching drops of oil if some leaks out) and when I refuel at the fuel dock. Go back and watch the video again...Quite a bit of fuel splashed onto your deck and probably right into the water when you were poring into the funnels. Very small amounts of fuel contaminate large amounts of water...and let's face it, you are a guest in this country so leave it better than you found it. Something to keep in mind if the situation arises again in the future. Not meaning to sound like a jerk, but spilling fuel into the water when it could be avoided is a pet peeve of mine.
Thanks for making the videos.
All good advice MandM... But I wasn't gonna dive in the Hudson with a 5kt current!
@@SailingLifeonJupiter sound judgement 🙂
It is just an anchor and some chain! You have yet to experience the pain and suffering of what ALL can be lost and left behind or stolen from your boat. Not saying any of it is not costly or pain-free but, time to toughen up and not cry over the spilled chain. What would bring tears to my eyes is the cost of diesel fuel with the mast down and motoring the next 3-4 months considering the price of diesel in current market conditions.
Well Aytac, we’ve grown fond of that ground tackle….we put our lives in it hands every night to hold us off the rocks….hard not to become attached.
@@SailingLifeonJupiter I WUD agree mate .. I named mine Frank... I miss Frank but we now lost all to fire ... So memories an a new vessel... Good thing is you had a spare to fix it... Spairs are everything on a boat!!
i had an HSBC experience like that once. It ended with me pulling the branch manager across his desk and offering to strangle him if my money wasn't released. It took all of 30 seconds to get my cash!!
I reckon I woulda done the same if I’d been in Hkg Jim
How long ago was that luv?
@@donnakawana circa 1995
FREEDOM from banking issues - abundant Grace !!
If only.
Fun video……couldn’t dive it huh? Am in St Augustine after 7 weeks Bahamas….insurance survey haulout. Then??? Hope you are well, Stanley says Hello Princess! Andrew
I wasn’t game in that current Andy….ah well, win some, lose some….Princess sends cuddles.
Awesome filmmaking
Tks so much.
Sorry you had all the trouble mate, I hope it all worked out for you.
Just minor setbacks Walter….we always bounce back….so far!
You need some scuba gear to go down and check the anchor
We have …but I need a suicidal diver to use it in this situation….hehe…cheers
Keep safe Jamie and Princess
When you buy a new chain. To extend its Life I change ends that the anchor is attached too every 6 months. That way you wear out both ends rather than just one end. With rising the chain and anchor with fresh water after use and having a sacrificeal anode attached to the anchor or 1st link. Your chain will last longer.
Tks Bruce …good ideas
I have traveled all over SE Asia over the past 13 years and yes online banking[I include ATM withdrawals in that] can be a CAT 5 clusterfuck. I learned the hard way that enough cash [USD] can solve any problem anywhere in the world. People often say I am nuts to carry so much cash on me. Most of these comments come from the cruise ship crowd. I feel for you both. It`s one of the most helpless feelings there is when traveling so far from home. I hope you do not have to fly to HK to sort this mess out.
Yeah Michael, will have to sort out an easier way….that’s for sure.
I'm Monday morning quarter backing 6 months late, but for the money I think I would've re-anchored on the spare and rode to give retrieval via tender a shot. If that didn't work, slip some rode to the chain where you cut it to give even more options for untangling via tender.
Nah MrJ... If I can't budge it with a 9ton boat my dinghy won't be much help. Not sure how much divers wouldve cost..but I imagined more than the cost of the anchor. Ah well.
@@SailingLifeonJupiter C'est la vie
I am so gutted for you guys, that is some loss. I’m not sure even a trip line would have helped.
I don’t think so either BH…they just end up fouling the anchor, especially in the changing currents of the Hudson….ah well, it’s only money!
Man oh man... I hate to deal with electronic banking !! I hope things have finally worked out in your favor by now as you are six months ahead of where we are now.
I’m relieved to say it is behind us now…cheers Joe
Damn when it rains it pours
Such is life... No matter where you live... Cheers James
Loved the banking report. Made my issues seem small.
Banks bring out the best in us! Cheers Ron
Love your blogs guys!!! Well produce and Amazing content!
Will you sail to Marina del Rey California ever?
Don't think we can afford that area Richard...but if you know of any all weather anchorages around there, let us know!
Bugger about the anchor. Makes me wonder if it is a good idea to use the spare anchor in murky rivers that could be full of rubbish. Although it looked like the river flow was pretty strong, maybe the rRockna was safest. Bugger also about the bank, I guess the plan for anyone travelling by boat would be to have multiple bank accounts. Perhaps a joint account with a trusted family member back home. Anyway could be a lot worse, you're free and sailing on a fantastic catamaran exploring a part of the world most people will never see.
This is true Sabret….there are pros and cons to every lifestyle….cheers
the message is clear - when bank problems fixed - change banks and never go back - same for the insurance company for Barefoot doctors not paying out for over 7 months now
Really! Ya I don’t doubt that about insurance companies….ya know tho Jim, ive found it very difficult to open any account when you don’t have a fixed address….and have been turned down even by my own banks in Australia when I apply for a credit card….unemployed!
When you choose to live off grid….these are the penalties…..I’m still happy with my choice.
Cheers Jim
Dang that is a bummer, I would have dived for that unit.
Wish you were there David!... Sux
Just want to say thank you for showing the respect you did to Lady Liberty. You are seeing the backbone of America up close on this trip! I know you handled the challenges and got stuff straightened out. The two of you are going to see more of America than most Americans will in their life. Would love to hear how many wankers you ran across on this trip. They seem to be mostly city dwellers. LOL Thanks for bringing us along mate!
Ah cheers Roger…we really enjoyed seeing the heartland.
We lost an anchor's too, in Indian Ocean while sailing, high winds and waves Our Spade anchor
And one of our fortress with our chain on it anchored in Barazuto Mazumbic.
But now we replaced all of it. Yes to much money.
Yeah it hurts the ol wallet... That's for sure.
could've used one of those grappling hooks from the tender for anchor retrieval. rocna vulcans also have a line head float if they get stuck.
That’s option we didn’t try….it’s difficult with such a limited crew to do much…and a 5kt current tossing the boat about. we’ve been using a trip line in the rivers….but they more often than not foul up in the anchor….the Hudson has up to 5kt changing currents, so we decided against it….but … there is a tiny chance it may have helped.
@@SailingLifeonJupiter hopefully you will get a grappling hook and rocna vulcan as your next anchor. we all learn from failure.
All good mate, Welcome to NY !! It wouldn't have been a proper visit if you hadn't gotten a little mugged! Anchor musta seen to much.. sleeping with the fishes now... Stay Safe out there!
Yeah I reckon you're right Matthew... All part of the experience.
what a mess with HSBC, stay calm Jamie and Bee please dont cry any more it will will brake my hard 😢 Fingers cross 🤞 for you
Things get better….tks Buggy
You need to get back to much clearer and warmer waters!! So you can see if the anchor gets not trouble you can dive down to get it.
I do miss that option Scott
hope all is fix with your anchor Jamie, take care
Tks Shelia…throw more $ at the problem…and it usually goes away…piggy bank is getting low tho!
Fantastic sailing channel only watch Sailing Life on Jupiter and Adventures of an Old Seadog anymore, most of the rest of the other YT sailing channels just churn out the same old rubbish
Many have stalled as they aren't on a proper journey now. Covid has taken its toll and maybe most are hunkering down. I've started watching The Sailing Brothers but they too are heading north to east coast America which is a bit boring.
Glad you think that Russ…cheers
Awesome vid as usual
My hometown n home city
Glad i left
🤣😅😂
We enjoyed the visit…cheers Tomz-hog
An expensive leason. You may consider when your anchoring in areas that could possibly have debris to tie a rope to the front of your anchor so it lifts from the front. At the other end of the rope attach a buoy. From your depth sounder you'll no how much rope allowing for tide. This will stop the anchor from digging in. It will also tell you were your anchor is.
Yeah Earl…we’ve been using a trip line in the rivers….but they more often than not foul up in the anchor….the Hudson has up to 5kt changing currents, so we decided against it….but … there is a tiny chance it may have helped.
Really sad for you guys at loosing all that chain and even more importantly a great anchor. :(
Cheers MN Dad….was disappointing at the time….but easily replaced, with a slimmer bank balance.
HSBC stands for HOW SIMPLE BECOMES COMPLICATED and I'm sorry to say your case is unbelievable
I like it! Certainly the case with Hong Kong....
Shame about the anchor and chain....but not tear worthy. Things could be a lot worse in nyc, trust me, I'm a native
Tks Liliana….we rely on that thing every night of our lives, whilst we try to sleep and hope it continues to hold us off the rocks….we’d grown attached to it!
Sorry about you chain and anchor hope things improve...outboard probably dirty filter before carburetor..bubbles don't get to engine unless clogged...if engine just loose power Check fuel (problem) lines filter etc..if engine misfires it's spark or cables electric problem..that oil leak could be solve probably by tightening sender....(when hot) after you turn off engine if you have access for wrench.etc..bests saludos amigos. (I hate banks man...!)
Ah cool advice tks Nunez
Reminds me of " Were the government were here to help you " ?
….and sooooo many folks trust that Bill
Don‘t even think about using tripping lines.
Yeah I’m not convinced by them Anton…..we did use them in the rivers with a constant current…and lots of sunken trees.
With Bitcoin, you can be your own bank. Bitcoin doesn't require any bank, which is one of the reasons it's so good, and superior to relying on banks.
I know, I’d love to convert….but the kitty is low now….runnin on fumes….can’t afford to gamble with the little we have left….cheers Ersatz
When you are under engines alone how fast can you go and what horse power are your engines? I would like to complete the entire loop on a sail catamaran without the mast. Is this possible in your opinion?
Thanks for the HSBC info , will make sure not to use them going forward that is absolutely nuts!!
Ya know Garth…I got HSBC Singapore and Australia….no issues….but I’ve had several people comment negatively about Hong Kong…..but Im sure we’ve all been $ucked over by banks at some point.
Guys I am so sorry I was with HSBC with my 1st bizness.. they sucked... Sounds like they wanna keep your $$... Anyway sorry guy's for this mess .. an anchor debacle.... I love you guys your just good ppl!! Sending positive energy for a good banking outcome... ✌🏼💗😊❣️
Thanks for the vibes Donna
I’ve had trouble with HSBC going back 25 years. I had a mortgage on a property out of the country. Long and short of it, I dumped them ASAP, and have forever had a bad taste from that experience!
Yeah J, stuff is difficult from afar….even in this modern day of internet…..seems real easy to get rid of your money online…..but they make it hard to keep it.
Your in new york there's plenty of marine stores
Yup.. The getting is the easy bit... The paying for... Not so much... Cheers Leanne
I reckon I'd be changing banks.
Hey Sausage, ive found it very difficult to open any account when you don’t have a fixed address….and have been turned down even by my own banks in Australia when I apply for a credit card….unemployed!
When you choose to live off grid….these are the penalties…..I’m still happy with my choice.
Loosing your Anchor and chain ...is a bitter pill.
If you can reach your oil pressure guage switch ..id wait till its cool degrease it and smear epoxy over the top let it set see if it works ....if it fails then replace it .. no cost really..
Having old cars and bikes its a way of telling if youve still got oil in them .😉
Try it see if it holds or not..🤷🏻♂️
Good idea on the sender….it’s coming out of the plastic at the top… I got a new one tho…cheers
SeaTow may have been able to help hall that rocna anchor up.
Yeah I never thought about the tow companies…we don’t carry that insurance…but you’re right….might have been a cheaper option
Is there zero wind going up The Hudson River?
Certainly not a lot of wind, at least not often.
Such a shame on your anchor chain especially after cleaning and painting and marking the chain! It did it’s purpose.
Yup…sux….cheers Scott
Joys of banking. How have you coped 7 month s with our going to a bank.
I inform my bank each time I change countries prior to arrival do they don't block my cards. Can you do an internet transfer to a temporary us bank account.
I wish Bruce…it was an internet banking that I was closed out of….the atm cards still worked…but you can only withdraw small amounts and get changed $7 per withdrawal….don’t worry it got sorted eventually!
I can feel your pain brother. HSBC Hong Kong is the worst bank on earth. They still operate 100% analogue and on traditional mail + fax. Signature mismatch is their “signature” move with any customer not physically standing in front of their counter.
The fact that phone numbers or passport numbers change over time … ?? Absolutely beyond comprehension of the person/committee who wrote their operating manuals.
WORST BANK EVER! You might have to go to HKG (5 days quarantine on arrival) and close that account for good. They will never ever get it in this lifetime.
Yeah Bjorn, I don’t seem to have these probs with HSBC Singapore and Australia…. Thankfully it is behind us now.
Bad luck about the chain and anchor. So great to see that Aussie flag on the boat, while heading up the Hudson. Avoid anything that is Chinese, if you can.
That is the biggest challenge Junkie….trying to find anything not made in China!
How would I get in touch with Tim Mumby for a new build?
Email me on Svjupiter2@gmail.com and I'll hook you up
Damn your banking troubles seem so fustrating, hope everything gets sorted out.
Tks Chamber
Hong Kong mate. Chinese!!
I reckon you’re right there.
Useing a out of country bank sucks they get to use your money for free only way to get it is got back to there branch in HK hope you dont have a lot in there bank they will find away for them to steal it.
Wouldn’t you think in this day and age…..signatures….still!…cheers Jack
That stinks... Sorry guys for the loss of the anchor... Sheesh 🙁🙁😞😞
Win some lose some…cheers TW
@@SailingLifeonJupiter 👍👊
It’s only money 1700 dropped in the drink
My favorite saying when wifey laments the sudden disappearance of hard earned money - it's only money sweetie - plenty more where that came from.
Oh the pain…the pain
@@terrenceodgers5866 That would be true but it seems HSBC (Bank) does not want to let him have his money...lol
@@latitudeash -- Banks are done. Many have failed already - not that you will read that in the controlled media. If I were Jamie I would be on the first plane to Honkers to close my account. HSBC is just one of the biggest crooks (Banks) on the planet - in my humble opinion.
@@terrenceodgers5866 agree.
Oh goodness graicius me. You poor people. What a hard life!!
Ouch, that's cold...
Jamie has worked hard and budgeted for a life of sailing and exploration. It. Is helpful to watch and see what to plan for and that it is not just all roses and sunshine. Both of them do a great job of sharing their experience and they deserve a great deal of credit for the information they provide.
We all have ups and downs Sandy regardless of lifestyle choice… our channel is real life ….there’s plenty other channels out there where only good things happen.
Okay. My comments were to harsh and i apologise!
The reason i became so uptight is this. I live in thailand, i know many people, some are friends who i help in the limited capacity that i can. If they had the price of just one shackle you may need to connect your spare anchor to your remaining chain in their pocket they would feel rich for a few days even though ultimately they have nothing and virtually no chance of improving their situation. Born to be poor. Now take the value of your lost chain and anchor and compare it to the value of your cat. Percentage wise it is absolutely insignificant! You are very privaleged.
Everyone in the civilised world is having problems with banking systems, me included, i do not feel the need to air it to the world, i just deal with it.
With all that said i have been watching your channel for a long time and do enjoy it.
Take care and safe travels.
@@sandymackenzie8413 "Born to be poor", but you have the ability to become rich. Sure, it may be harder in your location, but people do it. And wealth is relative to your location. I bet food is cheap where you are. Also wealth is not happiness, being poor gives you perspective. You probably value things more. Someone born into wealth often lacks appreciation.
Jamie, I think you and Princess need a big hug, if I was there chap you know I would cook you lunch and throw in a couple of my-thai's, yep thats what I would do !
Hehe…that’s awesome TT
have you herd ov anz bank
Was my first ever bank as a kid….unfortunately not an international bank….HSBC doesn’t seem to be either!
Hongkong is under Chinese management ... time to move out and find a stable international bank.
That would explain it….I got HSBC Singapore and Australia….no issues…..yet!
I lost all Confidence In the Banking System , I had some bad experiences about 6 years ago , added these days of Zero Interest rates and Ive given up , Just keep a account for bills and too get paid Into , any money I save Goes Into gold , at least I know its asessable When I need it and Its Mine
Gold huh?… I’d love to be rid of the banks….but we don’t have a lot in there anymore…I’d love to get into crypto….but no funds left to gamble with.
Don’t loess another anchor ny
Doing our best with that one Latitude
I would close the account if it was me.
Certainly want to... But unable to open a new one without a fixed address/country/employment/social security number!
@@SailingLifeonJupiter there is a place in Florida. Bot far from the Boat place "Just For Cats'
D u d e !! That was really disappointing. i'd cry too if i just lost about $1,500.00 of chain and anchor. Admit it. You were afraid to dive into the river. Very disappointed in you.
$1500.00 would not have been incentive enough for me to dive into that river against such a strong current.
@@terrenceodgers5866 attached to the chain? You'd have to be attached to the chain due to visibility
I wished you were there Jim…you could waterski standing still in that current!
@@SailingLifeonJupiter - Jamie, you were kind of you doing that in your dinghy, stopping yourself from being swept away.
@@SailingLifeonJupiter In that case, i concur with you.
OMG been waiting all morning and into the afternoon for this show kind of throws off my day when I can’t see it first thing but that’s OK I almost had to go over to GBU Sailing captain Riggs Jerry Riggs mustache is driving me crazy check them out on GBU you let them know that mustache has to go Specially if you’re gonna make me have to wait all day to see the show love it keep it going keep it earlier in the day thanks just like that anchor had to go the mustache must convince him that it’s a good idea to cut it loose
LOL !! His gal likes the mustache rides though.
I have a kind of respect for dudes that sport such an appendage….like Riley on SLV….ya gotta own it.
Myself.
Communist China Bank.
Social scoring system.
Though I'd never put my money with them.
But if I were airplane pilot in China and had to open an account.
Now there is no reason.
1st time they interrupted my day.
I'd withdraw every penny.
Banks are a dime a dozen competing for business.
kabayan kumanta ng mga tagalog song para sa mga maraming pilipino na mag subcribe pag nag rerelax kayo ng asawa mo paminsanminsan baka mag click sa mga kababayan natin suggestion lang naman
The last time Princess sang on our videos we got a copyright claim😣
Tears for a chain and anchor? Really?
What can I tell ya Larry…that thing has saved our lives every night for the last 7 yrs….we’ve grown attached.
Your going to lose more chain and ancors in ny and no need to cry it give you wrinkels it is life owenimg a boat.
Maybe that’s why Princess was crying! She could feel the wrinkles comin on…
One word: Crypto. Let's get rid of banks.
I’m with ya….just don’t have any $ left to gamble at the mo.
Ya think it might be time to change banks, you ever use paypal, I have been with paypal over 20 years, NEVER had a problem, moving money... I even have an american bank account (routing and account number) that automatically goes into paypal account, I know this won't make sense, I do not have access to the BANK account cause the money never stays there, repeat, it goes to paypal account instantly....
more, even if I go to my bank account, US Bank, they have no record of me having an account, it works great... Its just a pass through account so I have a routing number and account number for a bank...
Nobody can ever grab your money out of your "bank account" because there is no account, sounds funny doesn't it... ok rest of the story, used to work for UNICEF and they had to have a bank acc. to deposit money... that's why this was set up from paypal...tricky and clever...
Last, I even have a paypal credit card to use, for atms, stores purchases... ect...
Sure Ivan, I got PayPal…but I never thought about it being the only account….I’ll look into it…cheers
PayPal Direct Deposit account is what you would want, if you do that with a new email you can move money back and forth between accounts to keep it save, the new email address could be use for deposit or as I talked about before, you would get a bank name routing number and account number.... I use to travel to S. America and never had a problem using the Paypall debit card ect......
Contact CFpb. Consumer financial protection bureau and complain. They will respond