2023 Honda Accord | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2023
- More info on the 2023 Honda Accord 1.5T EX here: www.consumerreports.org/cars/...
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We purchased a 2023 Honda Accord 1.5T EX for CR's auto test program, and share our first impressions of the changes to the latest generation of this popular mid-size sedan, how it compares to the Honda Accord Hybrid Sport model we're also testing, as well as competitors like the Toyota Camry, Subaru Legacy, and Nissan Altima, and question why Honda has restricted many desirable options to just hybrid powertrain models. We also weigh in on a viewer's conspiracy theory that big trucks and SUVs are only popular because of distracted drivers and poor road conditions in the US.
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:18 - 2023 Honda Accord first impressions
1:27 - What is missing in this version of the Honda Accord?
4:30 - is this car a good choice for families?
7:19 - Driving impressions
10:33 - infotainment and controls
13:05 - comfort and fit & finish
16:56 - standard model vs. hybrid
21:05 - are bad drivers and crumbling roads making SUVs more popular?
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As a new accord owner, its amazing, its quiet, the features work so good for us, LOVE
Congrats on your new Accord! Which trim did you buy? Are the seats comfy?
@@hereigoagain5050not that person but I have a sport and the seats are good to me, definitely much more comfortable than Hondas in the past
I purchased a 2023 accord Ex at MSRP $31,160, Gas only and I’m averaging 42 mpg with mostly highway mileage. At 6’4” I’m comfortable and with a daily commute of 87 miles a day I’m happy.
Talking about "needing more space" in our vehicles, I CHALLENGE CR to take an Accord and a CR-V side by side and load the up with family and gear and see what/how/who fits better. I think the assumption that SUVs are roomier/more comfortable is not always the case.
That’s a fair challenge. I will say that my RDX can easily hold more than my TL - especially considering the seats don’t fold down in the back.
I'm not as intimidated by SUVs as much as these gigantic slab sided tanks that pass for trucks. I love small cars. I get very nervous when one of these monsters pull up along side of me and completely blots out the horizon. I'm all for owning a utility vehicle for hauling and carrying large groups but if you're sitting in your Tahoe by yourself during rush hour everyday it may be time to re-evaluate your life.
My wife and I play this game where we try to spot a quad cab pickup that is actually using the bed. It's so incredibly rare.
Where I live so many people have a massive truck that never does anything besides commuting and getting groceries.
I don’t understand what people expect the Accord to be…….From day 1 it was made for the everyday driving family who wants something comfortable, safe, and reliable. Not racing and turn heads.
Things have changed quite a bit since 1978.
Not sure about day one , but in gen 7 you would get a sweet 2 door accord with a V6 and a manual transmission.
I expect it to be the Asian model!! We need the best . What u on?
How about you all just go get Acura if it’s not meeting your expectations.
also it is expensive now a days. not exactly affordable
Honda put minimal effort into this Accord. Even the 40k touring has no heated wheel or homelink mirror as standard
Acura Integra no heated wheel either in trop trim.
and it shows in many ways...they complain about the seats, but there is cost cutting all around the new model. no fogs, no siriusxm, no rear adjustable headrests, cheaper looking (and feeling seats) still no pano roof, no rear AC vents unless you get the EX-L or Touring, no heated mirrors on the Sport trims.
This model would've been perfect if only they added rear ac vents and usb ports. I picked a touring and love it so far, its super roomy, very comfortable seats. I have 2 kids 20 months and 5 yr old and they fit perfectly fine. Honda's focus is pretty clear with this generation which is mpg over power.
How are the 1.5T engines holding up? Some of them are more than 6 years old and the faults should be appearing.
I think a lot has to do with how well someone upkeeps with maintenance. But I am sure there are outliers like everything
Nice review. The last generation Accord had a dealer installed optional heated leather steering wheel, available even on the base LX trim. A mystery why it's no longer offered.
My hybrid sport gets currently 59.5 town /45.5 highway. Spend a little more to get better mpg. I love my new honda accord sport hybrid ! ❤
Modern hybrids are amazing.
I get about the same from my '21 Camry.
"That's as clear as mud." 😂 2:30
Thanks CR! Kudos to Honda for investing in the Accord. I like sedans because hauling stuff is too much work for me.
I have the CRV Sport Touring hybrid (top trim), which is significantly quieter than my previous leased 2020 Accord Touring edition. No, it's not like a Mercedes E class, but it's the quietest Honda I've ever had (had 7 straight leased high end Accords, but the new one is 1" too long for my garage, so I switched to the 7+ inch shorter CRV). Road noise is way down. Caveat: Extra sound-deadening material and acoustically lined windshield and side window glass comes only with this top trim line. Anyway, your comments on the low seat height in the Accord remind me of why I have zero regrets after the switch. The seat height of the CRV is spot-on for my arthritic knees, so that pain in my life has been eliminated. Also, rear doors open around 90 degrees, so it's even better for young families with small children than the roomy Accord. Bottom line: It's the most refined Honda yet. Mileage is less than in the hybrid Accord, but I've been coming close to EPA numbers in mixed driving. It has the same drivetrain system as the Touring Accord (excepting I have AWD) which, I would assume, is also quieter than the EX Accord.
The Accord and CR-V both have unnecessarily long front overhangs. Look ugly as hell from the side.
The worst Accord yet. 😞
What a disaster. This was a good looking and super reliable high quality car. (Peaked at 2 generations ago). Now it’s terribly Fugly. Even my grandpa said it’s ugly and he’s never buy one. 😔
6/0. 👎🏼
Totally agree. I currently have a 2007 Honda Accord EXL V6. Its a great car. There is no way that I would spend money on one of these new Accords.
I am sure it's a great car but styling is so bland I can't spend my hard earned money on it.
Okay so Emily focuses on safety inside the vehicle which is fine, but these larger car seats and subsequent SUVs and EVs are terrible for safety outside the vehicle. Yes, there are a lot of cultural reasons Americans like SUVs, especially larger ones. The shift away from sedans is a worldwide phenomenon, but other parts of the world are driving more small hatchbacks, MPV/minivans, and very small SUVs. The benefit being a larger more flexible trunk, but not really a larger footprint than a sedan. In the USA, we're just going straight to Tellurides and pick-up trucks. Honda and Toyota don't even offer mainstream SUVs larger than a RAV-4 or CR-V in Japan and most of the world. These larger and heavier vehicles mean instant death to anybody they hit outside the vehicle, despite improved safety inside the vehicle. Americans are buying more of these larger vehicles because they do not want to feel small on the road. When everyone's view is raised, nobody's is. so it's just a tit-for-tat trying to crane your neck when getting out of the Costco parking lot. Also, Americans not only love to live their lives in their cars via trips and adventures, but also we love to drive long distances to make big shopping trips twice a month at big box stores. Hence needing a huge trunk to store all the shelf-stable food we buy. Large families aren't a thing anymore, but we don't shop like other countries. Other countries walk or take public transit multiple times a week to get groceries.
My 2018 EXL Accord has leather stitching along doors and center console…now the only trim that has that is the touring.
And the fake wood trim looked really good on the touring. Now it's gone completely.
Rented LX version of this car. The auto start-stop and brake hold feature on at the same time freaked me out. Those plus the turbo lag had me thinking something was wrong with the car until I disabled everything. I know it was my fault because I have an EV and am used to instant power. But still 😳
We're a 2 sedan family!! 2017 Optima SXL and 2020 stinger! I don't see the need to sit up high! Tho we like it if we rent a vehicle! Thx all!
Why do they make you pay an extra $600 or so to get blindsided monitoring on the e x trim. In fact except for the touring all the trim models now distinctly list out whether they have blindside monitoring and they charged an additional $600 for it. Because of this I'm inclined to go to the Toyota Camry instead.
For the trims that come with blind side monitoring, because of supply chain issues they have a shortage and are shipping those without BSM. To compensate for that removal they have reduced the price of BSM for that trim as a default. In case you want to buy that trim you need to make sure at the dealer lot that the one you want to buy is with BSM option and not without. The price of BSM trim will be $600 more than the non-BSM trim.
They’re all supposed to have BSM, they don’t have the chips for it so they lowered the prices 600 and deleted it on most accords, making it an option. You’re not really paying more if you have BSM because that’s what the price was meant to be
Honda is just like Toyota in that on lower sedan trims they charge $600 for the BSM option (not available on the Accord L and 2/4 Civic trims).
Others mention chip issues, but Hyundai / Kia doesn't seem to have that problem......providing BSM on the base or next trim level on all of their vehicles.
Emily and Alex have been SUCH good additions to this podcast! C'mon CR, pair them with Ryan for the first "all non-geriatric/no dad jokes" Talking Cars episode!
No literally they always have better takes
I like dad jokes
most people wathcing this podcast are geriatric........ they have to appeal to an audience. I agree tho, as a young person I truly feel Gabe, Mike and especially Jen ostricize themselves from anything modern
own one. Like it but don't love it. Could use rear ac vents and usb ports. Also sucks that wireless car play and android auto isn't available on the EX nor is the wireless charging
Frankly, I like the last year's version because it had some curves. At a dealership recently that had more than fifty of them in stock right next to each other. The white ones basically look like police cars that were unmarked. Boring, but I do like the new powertrains for the hybrid.
@30:03 there's also AWD hybrid sedans from Prius to LS500h from Toyota world for bit more practicality. One of the reasons I think people buy crossovers is availability of AWD and nowadays disconnectable driveshaft methods or not having a driveshaft at all (like some hybrid options) make them more in demand with its better mpg and range. For example bigger vehicles like Highlander and Sienna has range of well over 600miles .
I owned 07 Accord and loved it except for the seat!!! Rock hard material and poor padding.
Entry and exit of a modern sedan versus a crossover... The crossover wins every time. While sedans are sleeker with each generation, they also have lower hip points, and my old, not so perfect, body finds them a struggle. Now, my 2011 Buick LaCrosse was such an easy vehicle to live with. But that generation morphed into the 2018 redesign, which had a lower roofline and hip points. Sedans are sexy, handle well and have a better fun factor, but kind of impractical for many.
Idk who drives in silence 😂. I always have music on, podcast, or on the phone; and never once has anyone I personally know or myself had an issue with cabin noise.
In my country, your license has a provision based on the weight of the vehicle you plan to drive, thus SUV drivers have a different exam than sedan drivers. If you get caught operating a vehicle heavier than you're permitted to, you get fined.
How interesting, which country is that?
Very interesting. In the US you can drive any single vehicle up to 26,000 lbs GVWR and towing a trailer up to 10k with the most basic license.
I'm frustrated that so many of todays cars have you sitting so low. I feel like I'm falling into them to drop down to the seat. I wonder if that is an impetus for people to switch to a CUV/SUV. People I know just don't want to sit so low, especially when driving on highways.
I am former Accord buyer and have been a fan for many generations. I have not liked the exterior styling since the 9th generation. The front of the car looks like a Ford Taurus.
My honda accord sport hybrid grows on you knowing your getting 65.5 town/45.5 highway mpg. I drives like a dream!
the new accord seems better than my old 1981 accord hatch with auto. 4500 rpm at 75 mph. buzzzzzz
3:40 and i will miss it. The hot accord (especially with a manual) is really what seperated it from the rest of the pack.
Now that's all Mazda.
I am an advocate for certified driver training for anyone operating a motor vehicle on a public road. This would likely improve the average driving skill of the average driver on the road and hopefully lead to fewer collisions. My parents insisted I complete such a course in order to obtain a driver’s license. I thought they were unreasonable at the time, but I followed their advice. I learned a lot of important safety information that I might have otherwise learned the hard way. I have been driving for 47 years and have had one at fault accident. I credit this positive result to my certified driving course which stressed situational awareness, communicating my intention to other drivers (using a turn signal, brake early) and driving defensively. When I drive my eyes are on the road scanning for hazards so I have time to take action if necessary and avoid a potential accident. Okay, my rant is over. Carry on and drive safely. I drive a Honda Accord 2.0 Sport and love it.
1.5 L engine has reliability issues. And ten thousand mile oil changes are a lie, cars still need five thousand mile oil changes.
Mine oil change pops up even around 3000 miles
Seats are very subjective so need to be tested individually. Same thing with exterior looks - very subjective and best left as an individual taste/opinion.
Blind spot monitoring is NOT standard on the EX model of the 2023 Honda Accord. If you look at the sticker on some of the EX models and SOME of the upper models you will see the letters BD. That means they actually deleted The blind side monitoring from that particular vehicle in that trim line. My local dealer had 50-plus Honda Accords on his lot. Most of them had the blind side monitoring deleted. But the same vehicles are set up so the dealer can add blindside monitoring to that particular vehicle. Only the top touring trim has blindside monitoring on every vehicle in that trim that is produced.
Ask the salesman how could they have deleted a feature that will stand Adan previous models. He said. The manufacturer could produced more vehicles if they didn't have to include that electronic feature. 😢
It’s 2023, and it’s sad to hear Americans are expecting foreign companies to create the next generation of basic family vehicles.
Larger sidewalls and more ground clearance is the primary reason why body on frame SUVs are more practical. I think crossovers are silly compared to wagons.
Unibody SUVs are the best of both worlds. They are built stronger like a sedan, but sit up high like a truck.
CR, Much of the benefit of the Accord's generous rear legroom is negated by the lack of rear headroom. In other words, the Accord is just another low slung, sporty, 'swoopy' sedan that forgets it is supposed to be a practical family car.🤨
This new version is anything but "swoppy"! Considering how poorly sedans sell, you would think Honda would not have made such a generic looking sedan. The prior gen was much better looking with a fastback vibe.
@@richh7608 Have you not noticed the correlation between impractical sedan designs and sales going down the drain? The back seat is useless for occupants over 5'10".
Still holding on to my 05 Outback XT.
Save the manuals!
Save the wagons!
3rd engine at this point? 😂
18:00... so why didn't you choose the hybrid version for full review? It sounds like hybrid addresses most of your niggles with this model.
We bought both! th-cam.com/video/Th98ykNMNGs/w-d-xo.html
Hoping Emily's husband can heal from his knee surgery quickly (and 'rightly')
Thanks for the video, everyone!
The poorly padded seats is present across the hybrid trims also. The discomfort is not subtle. Its a deal breaker. It will be interesting to see if CR even recommends any of the Honda Accords.
How did they mess them up so bad? I had a 2018 Honda Acoord. 10th generation and thought the seats were fine.
The seats have lumbar support. Very comfortable and easy to drive long distances. Have you test drove a Toyota camry or prius lately. 6'4" 230 lbs can't even fit in them. That's why I orchard the Honda Accord hybrid. Leg/head room (front & rear).
I don’t necessarily think the shifts in peoples needs are actually a thing; I think it’s perception. People aren’t good at driving and associate being higher as being in a ‘better’ driving position because they value that and probably have never considered that a sedan/wagon feels better and more connected on the road.
Unless you’re carrying rally tall things, I’m sure a current accord is just as useful as a family car as the current CRV.
Also there is something to be said about the charm of the base lx and ex models over the hybrid; less mpg but ultimately probably cheaper to own in the long run; insurance is a factor too. These giant battery equipped hybrids are more expensive to ensure and more likely to be totaled because of the sheer cost of the components.
I sat in an Ex today and found the seat more comfy than my tsx wagon. (Wish honda would make this gen in wagon form)
28:00 When driving my modestly (2”) lifted crew cab versus my Honda Accord, I experience a lot less aggressive drivers cutting me off for some reason.
Somehow, driving a vehicle with steel bumpers, whose elevation is right at the average sedan driver’s head when driving, makes them more careful drivers… 😅
You are driving a vehicle that is needlessly more lethal to other drivers on the road as well as less safe and stable for you and while you might not be an aggressive, dangerous driver it certainly is not at all difficult to find many lifted truck drivers who are.
this car is giving me the bare minimum
Meanwhile I was just want a cost conscious and damn practical small car. Bring back the Honda Fit!
In 2020, I bought a base model Sonata for $21k. It was a terrific value. It actually is kind of fun to drive on twisty roads in sport mode. The controls are easy to use. There's plenty of space in the back seat and trunk. And best of all, I get 45-50 on the highways with just a conventional 4 cylinder powertrain. That type of value is unprecedented today.
CVT is a contributor of the cabin noise
Naw
Unless the CVT is whining (not likely unless it’s an older Nissan) it doesn’t add noise
I have a 2021 Accord hybrid touring. I like the gas mileage & all the safety features, but I'm unimpressed with the quality. My wife's 9 yr. old Camry has no squeaks or rattles even on the roughest roads. My Accord with 11K & 2 years old rattles on rough roads. I will likely buy an SUV for ease of entry & exit. Legacy's 28 MPG & Crown's lack of HUD keeps me from buying the sedans that offer easy entry.
Why in the world do you need a HUD for a family sedan? Are you racing on the weekends? HUDs are such gimmicks.
@@atmartenst's wonderful to not have to look down. Not to mention safer.I don't want a vehicle without it.
How many times are you going to review the Accord this year?
Two, one of the hybrid and one for the regular ICE
Transitioning from a Toyota 4Runner to a 2019 Honda Accord, I destroyed some beautiful wheels with curb rash before learning to drive it. I traded for a Honda SUV in 2021 because the Accord sat too low.
So basically the same engine for civic and accord?!
Why did you review the trim nobody wants. Review the hybrid
That last question was one of the worst questions asked on the podcast since episode 1, and I’m not even a fan of SUVs. CR should pick better questions to talk about for 9 minutes.
And government vehicles have pretty much all switched to SUVs too.
You people don't get it. A pickup truck is a safety for others and environmental disaster.
Doesn't hold any ground to the 9th gen V6 models which had silky smooth power delivery.
The accord always been a great car. But not a fan on the new redesign. The civic is the best looking car on the honda lineup.
Why would u buy an accord over a crv?
Sadly, you lost me when you said you bought and tested an EX model. The engine for base Accords haven't changed since the last remake so I don't feel any value from your review. Why not get an EX-L or Sport-L (or even Touring) to test out the brand new hybrids??? We may be biased because we had a 2020 Accord Touring 2.0 Turbo and when we sat inside the new hybrid, found that we couldn't fit into the 2023 car!! Hybrid versions shortened the driver's seat track (to make room for the batteries under the seats) so this 6'3" person bought a 2023 Camry XLE AWD instead!
I think one of the main reasons for the change from station wagons to minivans to suvs is children's fear of turning into their parents, so they don't want to drive the family hauler they grew up in.
25:24 Emily nailed it. Child seat regulations. Anyone who's tried schlepping child seats in and out of a sexy low slung sedan will shop for an SUV/Minivan the next day.
@@sprague49 agreed
The Accord is a great rental car yet Honda doesn't do fleet sales. Conundrum.
Really? You're crying about the steering wheel not being wrapped with leather? Come on. We did without leather-wrapped wheels for years. Who cares?
Potholes are a failure of government, not the fault of drivers who choose cars. SUVs and trucks have taken over the USA and a few other countries, not the world. Europe still has a lot of small cars.
When you talk about carplay in the first minute of a car review i question whether you should be a car reviewer. Lets talk about what the car has vs what it doesnt.
Great car with all the features and design but terrible seats which is the only flaw but big one.
Seat doesn't go up and down completely but tilt up and down only from front for driver seat. Passenger seat does not have that option either. Seats too much dipped so lack of cushioning as well and considering top touring model, will give seats 2/10. If we ignore seats, then easily 8/10 for touring model.
Two big misses - no rear vents and a CVT.
This car would only make mid crisis worse
I find it stunning how much Honda has lowered the standards of quality for the Accord. It goes against the iconic history of this vehicle.
They've really decontented the Accord. The EX used to be almost a luxury trim, go up to EX-L if you wanted leather.
But a urethane steering wheel and flat cloth seats and a sloppy trunk don't smack of lux.
The EX has never had a leather trim steering wheel. My family has leased multiple Accords, HRV, CRV and most have been the EX trim since some liked having a moonroof with no leather. But none ever had a leather wrapped wheel.
Idc how good this car is on paper, in reality I have to look at it everyday before i get in. Its a HARD pass based on looks alone.
I feel like previous generation Accords were generally lauded as very nice cars, even desirable, whereas this new Gen Accord gets "fine" reviews. As in, "it's fine, it gets the job done." That said, bad seats in a family vehicle? NOPE. I'll wait for the review of the new Camry.
1/3 said the seats were bad. Seats are objective. Sit in them yourself and see if theyre comfortable or not.
Id like a new 3 row pickup. Or a 3 row wagon option
Be warned: The Honda Acord Hybrid does not come with a spare tire, not even a donut spare. Latest News: Honda must have read my comments. As of a couple of weeks ago you now can go to the parts counter at a Honda Dealer and buy a Spare Tire Kit for approx $500 which includes a donut spare, jack and tire wrench. Hopefully by 2025 they will just make the kit standard. Latest News as of January 2024: Honda parts will sell you a Spare Tire kit for about $500
the outside of the current camry is more beautiful than that. that is just like a civic
I really don't like Emily's rejection of sedans as a family car.. saying that this is for people who don't want an SUV yet. This is the entire problem with the American car mindset and why we have such large vehicles. A sedan is fine and its safer for pedestrians. Less people should be driving SUV and more people cars. Shame on this bigger and more is better narrative.
totally agree. Better safety for who? Selfish American mindset to cocoon yourself in an SUV and ignore the safety of others outside the vehicle.
Besides, Emily comes from a very classic suburban big family mindset. The US fertility rate is 1.64...Most people are not in two parent two kid households. Even fewer need two child seats at the same time.
Wow the new Accord is a total snooze fest
2024 Narcolepsy Edition
Hondumb has lost the plot. LMFAO SMH
A couple of things: Fit and finish, has to do with assembly quality. They are objecting to design choices, plastic steering wheel. A big prejudice toward legacy manufacturers, with little appreciation of the fact that the industry is being disrupted.
There like Mom & Pop ,boring…..
The Accord looks horrible, in photos and in person! Interior looks great though.. You can tell the designers did not talk to each other at all!
The smooth exterior gets you 65 city / 45 highway mpg driving. I love my new honda accord sport hybrid.
First!
That is funny I purchased a 2016 Honda Civic. I sold it within 3 months because of a numb butt after long drives.
@@TheLifetraveler1 My Ridgeline is as comfortable as it gets. CVT on this Accord is a deal breaker.
honda now a days is producing meh cars.
Too noisy? What is your baseline? You guys are SOOO spoiled
Does Emily Thomas ever think about anything that is not child safety seats? She brought those up many times in this video. Sure, child safety seats are important, but they affect a minority of US households. Households with children
But the accord is marketed as a family sedan?
That’s her gig like Alex does tires.
I have no idea and never will in installing a child safety seat.
Honda are and civic are very horrible cars!
honda or civic are horrible cars!