Thanks, Alan! It is not loving to ignore other attributes of God, nor is it loving to withhold the depth of Biblical teaching in an effort to appeal to the flesh.
Thank you for talking about the horrendous 'church growth' movement. For those who may not know, I'd like to point to the 'Church of Tares' documentary. It was what opened my eyes to rampant apostacy, just after God saved me. Bill Hybels and Willow Creek are also examined, as well as Rick Warren and Saddleback.
Amen!!! Great informative video exposing seeker sensitive churches. Great points: "A celebrity pastor can never be truly a good shepherd of God's people." "The religion of niceness is truly something true believers truly need to be worried of."
thank you for making this! ive spent the last 18 yrs of my life struggling silently and internally about my beliefs because of what i was taught at that church, vs what i knew to be true and not in regards to my own faith, until i left that church almost a year ago. this video is extremely validating and i appreciate you for that
If I go to a church and they are talking about a new building, "taking the city", church growth or something that feels more like it belongs in a business manual I shake the dust off my feet on the way out.
Thanks for clarifying this. I'm currently at a church which I've finally realized is seeker sensitive. One of the speakers recently quoted Bill Hybels which made me do some searching, whereupon I found your video. The pieces are coming together for me.
I grew up in this church. Funny how I’m the children’s ministry (“Promiseland” as it was called) they did NOT shy away from preaching hellfire and brimstone. They had me CONVINCED that Sin was legitimately an acronym for “Stepping in Noose” while the parents got the Seeker Sensitive sermon. Man, what a wacky and specific High Demand Religion.
Hey Allen. Just love your channel brother. Presentation is so calm, caring and biblically spot on. GOD bless you and all those true preachers you so rightly support. 🙏🙏🙏❤
I grew up in this church, and just wanted to say thank you for breaking this down for me... I have come to know their theology is wrong, but I have never been able to articulate as to how it was wrong. God bless you for this, Alan!
Me too! I always had a gut feeling that everything I was being taught was either wrong or not the full truth whenever I went there, but never knew why I thought that way
There is so much good that was done by Willow Creek to paint in very broad strokes. This is lazy criticism of one of the most influential churches in American Christianity. There is much to critique and certainly criticize, but this is just typical drive by criticism that doesn't actually weigh the good with the bad. Pastor Bill Hybels, sadly, made many mistakes, but God used him also very mightily.
If you went to Willow Creek there is much to be grateful for how God used this entire congregation a wonderful community of faith to touch millions around the globe. All the same, we can reflect on the breakdown in accountability that caused mayhem in such a way that women (and people) who experienced abuse and inappropriate treatment must be accounted for and some of that has been done in this life.
Thank you . My name on here used to be shattered one . You Justin , John , and Chris are like my pastors . This was perfect timing , I'm 59 years old I've been stuck on heroin for 36 years . I want to repent but I can't stop . Pray for me , I don't wanna die in this sin..... Help
Never been on heroin but I was on all other opiates. Couldn’t get through work without a visit to the bathroom multiple times. It is the worst withdrawal, I know. But you’ve got to get help from others too, you need a church family to help lift you up. I’ll pray for you brother, you can conquer this with God’s help
Rob, I've just prayed for you, that God would help you find the strength to quit this awful drug. May He strengthen your body and mind, relieve all withdrawal symptoms, and gift you with peace and the support of other Christians around you. You can do this! All blessings from the UK 🇬🇧🙏
Rob, let me tell you….I was on drugs (oxys, heroin, cocaine, crack cocaine, meth, etc) for over 20yrs. I backslid from my faith, but God’s deliverance and providence saved me and can save you too. I’ll be completely frank with you - IT IS HARD! It’s not easy, but if you can somehow remove yourself from the ppl you hang around with, find a program that’ll get you on suboxone and surround yourself with a support system (family and friends), you can make it. If ever you need someone to talk to, please reach out to me - Christian @ 707-310-1639 or djchrisp@gmail.com. I love you brother and God loves you more
Wow thanks for the video. I'm just now learning about Willow Creek. And recently I have been talking with people online about Unbelievers, Seekers, Believers, and Disciples. It never occurred to me that the word Seeker has been corrupted by this Willow Creek church. People must be thinking that I advocate for their definition of a Seeker group. It seems there "free" Seeker service is not there to point them to Christ but to explore their "feelings". Any Seeker group needs close supervision to point them to Christ. Otherwise, it can lead to untold amounts of "man-made" doctrines. I pray for the people in this church but hand over their leaders to the evil one. That they may see the error of their ways [as Paul instructs].
The 'idol shepherd' that leaves the flock... Zechariah 11:17a "Woe to the idol shepherd that leaves the flock!" Who is the 'idol shepherd' that leaves the flock in Zechariah 11:15-17? The text in the entire book of Zechariah is primarily on God's judgement in the latter days. The topic in Zechariah 11:15-17 is the 'foolish shepherd' (verse 15) who is also described as the 'idol shepherd who leaves the flock' (verse 17). In the book of Zechariah, the word 'shepherd' first appears in Zechariah 10:2, and last appears in Zechariah 13:7. The English word 'idol(s)' has been translated from several Hebrew words. In some Bible text the word 'idol' is a noun, and is defined as a physical object of worship (adoration), which may be either in public space or in a private space such as a home. However, in other Bible texts the word 'idol' is an adjective (i.e. a word that 'describes' the 'characteristics' of the noun). In Zechariah 11:17, the word 'idol' (Strong's #H457), Hebrew: אליל ('ĕlîyl), is an adjective (i.e. a word that 'describes' the 'characteristics' of the noun). Therefore, in Zechariah 11:17, the word 'idol' (adjective) describes the characteristics of the shepherd (noun). In Zechariah 11:17, the word 'idol' (Strong's #H457), Hebrew: אליל ('ĕlîyl), is an adjective, and is defined: good for nothing; of nought; of no value; thing of nought; worthless; by analogy vain. Therefore, in Zechariah 11:17 the term 'idol shepherd' refers to a 'good for nothing shepherd' and in the New Testament context, it refers to a church leader (bishop, elder, pastor) who is good for nothing! Zechariah 11:15 infers that in the New Testament context, the 'shepherds' (church leaders, pastors, elders, bishops) will use 'instruments' (figurative of the processes for guiding the members of the church assembly), of a 'foolish' (careless, negligent) 'shepherd' (church leader). Zechariah 11:16 states that God will permit 'shepherd' (i.e. church leaders) to rise in the land, who: - 🔹Will not visit those that is 'cut off' (completely destroyed spiritually); 🔹Will not seek the young one (babe in Christ); 🔹Will not heal those who are broken spiritually; 🔹Will not 'feed' (sustain with the Bread of Life; i.e. Christ) those who 'stand still' (i.e. have fainted spiritually); 🔹Will 'eat' (consume) the 'flesh' (living body) of the 'fat' (abundance), and will tear their claws in pieces. Zechariah 11:17 states that: - 🔹Woe (i.e. trouble) will befall the 'idol' (good for nothing) 'shepherd' (church leader) who 'leaves' (abandons, neglects) the 'flock' (members of the church). 🔹The 'sword' (figurative of God's destructive judgement by His word) will be upon the 'arm' (strength) of the 'good for nothing' church leader, and upon his right eye (figurative of spiritual understanding). 🔹God will cause the arm (strength) of the 'idol shepherd' (good for nothing church leader) to be 'clean dried up' (rendered lifeless), and his 'right eye' (primary mental and spiritual faculties) will be utterly darkened (infers no spiritual understanding). The 'idol' (good for nothing) 'shepherd' (church leader) in Zechariah 11:15-17, is depicted as the unjust steward in Luke 16:1-15. In the parable of the unjust steward, in order to remain 'esteemed' (popular) to the sinful people (depicted as debtors) who owe a 'debt' (obligation to follow God), the unjust steward reduced their 'debt' to God. This is likened to a church leader who relaxes God's requirements for holiness of the members of the church assembly by teaching them that less than 100% of their debt to God is acceptable. (Luke 16:1-15) In Luke 16:8 the word 'wisely' is used in the context of natural intellect that is superior to that of the 'children of light' (i.e. followers of Christ who generally are of ordinary or average intellect). Notice also that the motive of the unjust steward is 'mammon' (the wealth of this world). Both the 'idol' (good for nothing) 'shepherd' (church leader) in Zechariah 11:15-17, and the unjust steward in Luke 16:1-15, meet a tragic end.
I recently left CCC in Omaha, the lead “minister “ there comes from Willow Creek and has corrupted the gospel with the seeker centric approach and has fully embraced the doctrines of Bethel, Hillsong and Elevation churches.
I attended a few weekend services there. They were known as a seekers church for the unchurched. They had deeper sermons and bible studies during the week. I don't know what goes in there now.
Wow thank you for this Revelation of Revelation Chapter 4. To many Christians quote John 3:16, nothing wrong with that, However not to many Christians Quote anything about how God is Truly Set Apart and there is none like Him. May God Bless You Sir Jesus Christ’s Name.
Can someone tell me what the churches stand is if someone is being emotionally abused by a narcissist in a marriage? Meaning, if you stay you may just turn mental because of all the lies and manipulation. Yet you have a child together.
First thing is you and your child’s safety. God understands that. Second is guarding your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Please seek help from a pastor or a good family councilor that is a Christian. I could give more advice but I don’t know you or the extent of your situation. Getting help is a necessity though. God Bless.
@@XxLismixX possibly yes. Though I don’t know how to make that possible without posting personal contact info. (don’t ever do that) unless you know a way. I will say that I am not in in any way a licensed councilor or professional or anything of the nature. I hope I did not give that impression. I’m just a regular person with a lot of faith in the Lord and much experience. I do give council now and then.
@@marke2401 could you possibly rent a box at your local post office and have just a box number, city and state..without using your name on the envelope? I know it’s the old way of doing things in this digital age…but you might consider it….
Have you ever done research or a video on The Arc Churches, like Church of the Highlands in Alabama, New Life in Arkansas, Bayside Community Church in Florida…they are all connected with many more churches
I've noticed that many of these Mega Churches have names that are similar to apartment complexes/and condos. They're always named after lakes, streams, creeks, rivers, hills, mountians, etc. But there never is a lake, stream, creek, river, hill, or mountain. Just sayin.
It's done that way for marketing purposes. Everything done in that movement is intentional to market themselves differently from traditional churches in an attempt to appeal to unbelievers with a non offensive messages. It's why the buildings don't look like churches and there are no pulpits too.
@@TheJpep2424 Good point. Heaven forbid a church actually look and sound like a real church. Or be of a reasonable size for the pastor to know his sheep...or for the sheep to know each other. No wonder it's so easy for a wolf in sheep clothing to infiltrate the flock. I've never understood the reason people puff up with pride about attending a large church as though they were bragging about what a large and splendid house they owned.
When you see things like this happen it is easy to see why Paul laid it bare what special requirements a pastor should have to lead the flock...Timothy and Titus letters make this plain.
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Hey Alan, I was thinking maybe you should look into making a video about how to properly look for a solid bible believing church with the 3 keys? Cause I understand a true church is marked by those, but I don't believe a lot of people know how to find them. If it's God's will I would love to hear your thoughts on that
The real solution, dear brother, is to follow the pattern Jesus laid down for us. Doing so will cut across both camps -- the 'easy package' so-called Seeker crowd and the hyper-preachy types usually seen in street preaching. It is the Holy Spirit that convicts of sin, note that Jesus himself never once recited the carnal sins of the crowd -- only the sins of unbelief and religious hypocrisy. Even when rebuking the mob that brought the adulteress before him, Jesus' handwriting in the sand was silently delivered. The only exception to this was the woman at the well, but notice she initiated the conversation and Jesus only brought up her multiple marriages in private. All extremes can be unfruitful, and while we have too many lukewarm (or false) believers in positions of ministry today, we have just as many wannabe's pretending to be the apostle Paul and using his letters out of context. Rather than quoting Paul for the purpose of exhortation as his letters were intended, they use them as if they were written to unbelievers outside the Church. Too much focus on sins of the flesh actually works against the Holy Spirit's ability to convict during a proper delivery of the Gospel. We should preach what the Bible says not by reciting each and every word to every audience, but by following the Lord's example and not conflating his approach to sinners with Paul's' admonishments to fellow believers. There is far too much milk in the modern Church and far too little adherence to the Word of God, which explains why the words of Jesus are so rarely quoted, or his example followed.
I was one of the 150 who started at the theater, I borrowed money to give to Willowcreek in build the building. I grew up Baptist and was saved at the age of 7. I am now 71 and never saw what you are describing. Bill Hybels performed my marriage in 1977. Heard many teachings. I left due to moving before all the "stuff" came out and not sure if its true. The Devil is active is all I know. I hope you are doing this for the right reasons!! I cannot judge, but saying "false theology" is a serious comment and will be punished by GOD if not true! Are you saved?
They’ve been doing some great stuff and talking about hard stuff as well. I don’t understand what they have against these bigger churches . It’s not like heaven won’t be crowded like this church. But, willow gives out as much as it is given. They have a grocery store in there for people to come get food for free for their families, and hundreds of ministries to help.
I’ve never heard of these people. I’ve only heard about Hybels from somewhere, but these guys are quite unknown to me. At least I know enough to stay away from this church. Have an awesome week yourself, Alan, and God bless you.
Hey, hey, hey. There is not one path to attract people to the love of Jesus. There is only one path to God, but many paths into the heart of a man. Feel good about yourself and what you are doing, but remember God calls me to do one thing and you to do another. Don't expect every church to do everything right, but they are doing it in the hopes of reaching Jesus according to their calling.
They’ve been doing some great stuff and talking about hard stuff as well. I don’t understand what they have against these bigger churches . It’s not like heaven won’t be crowded like this church. But, willow gives out as much as it is given. They have a grocery store in there for people to come get food for free for their families, and hundreds of ministries to help.
Those types of churches are always planted in affluent upper class white suburbs. That's why it's so successful. Those types of messages they teach don't work in poor areas
Let's be honest..."love" is not "tolerant" of all behavior. Merely tolerating anything is not love, it is apathy. No parent can claim to "love" a child they do not discipline, teach, and oversee maturity for. In fact, parental love is "tough love" which sets boundaries and insists on compliance so that the child can learn and grow. This is God's love..."tough love". Also, in spite of how much one may love their children, the limits to acceptable behavior often requires discipline or even punishment. A loving God who did not discipline, did not punish, is also a God that does not reward. If the reward for success is the same as the punishment for failure, what is the point?
Thousands of lost souls enticed by words that legitimize a life of sin, sans Christ. Pray for these lost souls, we are in the last days and time is short.
They’ve been doing some great stuff and talking about hard stuff as well. I don’t understand what they have against these bigger churches . It’s not like heaven won’t be crowded like this church. But, willow gives out as much as it is given. They have a grocery store in there for people to come get food for free for their families, and hundreds of ministries to help.
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I believe the merchandise identifies with this channel and beliefs. Most hymns and Psalms identify with sound theology, repentance and holiness. Most (NOT ALL) CCM seems to emphasize feelings, weak if not erroneous theology and produced from an entertainment perspective more so than repentance and godliness. Nevertheless I do tolerate some of the entertainment aspects but solely for entertaining purpose and never acknowledging it to be true WORSHIP. It’s kinda like viewing these videos but never considering it a substitute for actual church involvement and fellowship. Be blessed Anonymous! Grateful for you sharing your opinion!
As someone who grew up in church with those “boring” hymns, then was saved in college when hymns were considered fuddy duddy in favor of more contemporary songs. I have attended many different denominations in various states and cities, with various music styles. As I’ve grown older, I’ve come to appreciate the depth of the hymns, the theology, the truth about God, the worship, that is missing in the emotion-driven lyrics of modern church “worship” that are often all about me, actually. I’m back to where I started…but they’re NOT boring!!!! Lol!
This is a tired criticism that doesn't truly assess the issues and benefits of the seeker sensitive movement in the United States and abroad. This deserves much better focus and diligence than what was done here. As from Indian Christian heritage myself, I expect more from you.
No celebrity pastors like John McARthur? Oh wait he is not one right? Willow Creek was wrong but not heretical. I do disagree with the quote from McArthur in your video. Maybe I would not in context but I do as it is quoted in this video. The problem is pitting a human decision for Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit to regenerate man. Both are true. You have to make a decision for Jesus. That is everywhere in the Bible. But the Bible also teaches that the Holy Spirit must regenerate us before we can choose to place our faith in Jesus. I know that is reformed theology and not Arminisnism. But the way McArthur put the problem is a problem itself. It is not man's choice vs. the Holy Spirit's regeneration. It is man's choice without regeneration that is the issue. Can man choose without a full heart change or being made fully alive. No., they cannot. But regeneration by the Holy Spirit does not mean man does not make a choice. I do not like treating an in house argument like it is between a Christian and non believer. WE need to speak the truth in love.
Critical thinking would bring an and to the endless shades of gray poo flinging accusations we see in this video. Everyone claims to have a better mind meld with the supernatural dictator they subscribe to. Yet all are too humble to take credit for this gift. It's tiresome and insincere and will likely continue until evolution weans out the fear of death and propensity to be nosey from our species. Also, at the one who posts. How much money do you make from these videos and how far into celebrity to you plan to climb?
They’ve been doing some great stuff and talking about hard stuff as well. I don’t understand what they have against these bigger churches . It’s not like heaven won’t be crowded like this church. But, willow gives out as much as it is given. They have a grocery store in there for people to come get food for free for their families, and hundreds of ministries to help.
The seeker sensitive movement Has one foot in the world and one foot in the kingdom of God ! It’s Christian Light for those who are Seek Comfortable Armchair Christianity If it was poison it wouldn’t kill you if it was medicine it wouldn’t cure you it’s apparent but not real it’s pseudo Christianity
Hi Denise! I think it was supposed to represent the current crop of seeker-sensitive leaders, but it was inserted at the same time Alan cited Nathan. It took me a few seconds to realize what was going on. I was like, Hey, that's not Nathan. lol.
@@carolberubee I know that he is older than he was at the Strange Fire Conference but I didn't think he looked that different. Plus, I thought he worked for GTY and that he's not seeker sensitive. lol
Almost every single human being has false theology including you because of the impurities in your hearts. You all interpret scripture how you want to. What you think is irrelevant but believe the truth. The bible will make you a Martyr if you believe it but you don't
@@halfsheephalfjesus7357 your E. S. A. U as are all europeans thats u folks God given ethnicity your not risen (Malachi 1:2-4) jacob have I loved but E. S. A. U. have I hated and they shall call THEM the border of WICKEDNESS and THE PEOPLE against whom the LORD hath indignation FOREVER (Psalm 11:5-6) but the WICKED and him that loveth "VIOLENCE" his soul hateth upon the WICKED he shall rain FIRE n BRIMSTONE this shall be the portion of THEIR cup (Obadiah 1:10,18) for thy "VIOLENCE" against thy brother jacob shame shall cover thee and thou shalt be cut off FOREVER and there shall not be ANY remaining of the house of E. S. A. U. for the LORD hath spoken it (Hebrews 12:16-17 kjv) lest there be any fornicator or profane person as E. S. AU - when he would have inherited the blessing he was REJECTED for he found NO place of REPENTANCE/ no repentance for any of ya
Alan, you're quite the critic, and these videos must take a lot of time to make. Do you work and actually make money? Married? Kids? If your worldview is so great, please show evidence that your LIFE is great and satisfying as a result of it. I see no real evidence of that. My hunch is that you wouldn't obsess about this stuff if your life was truly fulfilling.
@@donaldtrumpster6725 I have no animosity here--my questions are fair. A proponent of a way of living has a duty to show that the way of living he advocates leads to good results.
@@prometheusrex1 im simply saying that all preachers for the last 6centuries have taught the same thing john3:16 with their own twist added all religions are of Satan Buddhism catholic baptist islam harry krisnof etc the bible nor God have anything to do with religion - so finger pointing is simply the pot calling the kettle black
@@donaldtrumpster6725 You're wrong in this way: *I have not put up TH-cam videos claiming I know the way. But this guy Alan has. Therefore your analogy fails: I am not doing what Alan is doing.* Understood?
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Thank you for reminding me of the importance of praying for others in this situation. I often shun them when I should be praying for them.
Me too
DO shun them!
"Dust off your sandals"...."Don't even let them into your house"....."Don't eat with them, etc."
Shun AND pray...thanks for the reminder! 🙏🏻
We are called to be outed from fellowship in certain unrepentant situations but I don't see anywhere where we shouldn't be praying for these people.
Thanks, Alan! It is not loving to ignore other attributes of God, nor is it loving to withhold the depth of Biblical teaching in an effort to appeal to the flesh.
Ms. Berubee, that is SO well said!
Thank you for talking about the horrendous 'church growth' movement. For those who may not know, I'd like to point to the 'Church of Tares' documentary. It was what opened my eyes to rampant apostacy, just after God saved me. Bill Hybels and Willow Creek are also examined, as well as Rick Warren and Saddleback.
Amen!!! Great informative video exposing seeker sensitive churches.
Great points:
"A celebrity pastor can never be truly a good shepherd of God's people."
"The religion of niceness is truly something true believers truly need to be worried of."
Just another seeker sensitive church with false gosepl. Sadly that is way too common now
Have you been to a willow creek service?
Thanks for bringing to light false teachers! 👍
thank you for making this! ive spent the last 18 yrs of my life struggling silently and internally about my beliefs because of what i was taught at that church, vs what i knew to be true and not in regards to my own faith, until i left that church almost a year ago. this video is extremely validating and i appreciate you for that
If I go to a church and they are talking about a new building, "taking the city", church growth or something that feels more like it belongs in a business manual I shake the dust off my feet on the way out.
Thanks for clarifying this. I'm currently at a church which I've finally realized is seeker sensitive. One of the speakers recently quoted Bill Hybels which made me do some searching, whereupon I found your video. The pieces are coming together for me.
By the way, I loved the quote from Revelation 4, puts it all into eternal perspective.
I grew up in this church. Funny how I’m the children’s ministry (“Promiseland” as it was called) they did NOT shy away from preaching hellfire and brimstone. They had me CONVINCED that Sin was legitimately an acronym for “Stepping in Noose” while the parents got the Seeker Sensitive sermon. Man, what a wacky and specific High Demand Religion.
Hey Allen. Just love your channel brother. Presentation is so calm, caring and biblically spot on. GOD bless you and all those true preachers you so rightly support. 🙏🙏🙏❤
I grew up in this church, and just wanted to say thank you for breaking this down for me... I have come to know their theology is wrong, but I have never been able to articulate as to how it was wrong. God bless you for this, Alan!
I was a member for over 30 years :-(
Me too! I always had a gut feeling that everything I was being taught was either wrong or not the full truth whenever I went there, but never knew why I thought that way
There is so much good that was done by Willow Creek to paint in very broad strokes.
This is lazy criticism of one of the most influential churches in American Christianity.
There is much to critique and certainly criticize, but this is just typical drive by criticism that doesn't actually weigh the good with the bad.
Pastor Bill Hybels, sadly, made many mistakes, but God used him also very mightily.
If you went to Willow Creek there is much to be grateful for how God used this entire congregation a wonderful community of faith to touch millions around the globe.
All the same, we can reflect on the breakdown in accountability that caused mayhem in such a way that women (and people) who experienced abuse and inappropriate treatment must be accounted for and some of that has been done in this life.
Thank you . My name on here used to be shattered one . You Justin , John , and Chris are like my pastors . This was perfect timing , I'm 59 years old I've been stuck on heroin for 36 years . I want to repent but I can't stop . Pray for me , I don't wanna die in this sin..... Help
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Never been on heroin but I was on all other opiates. Couldn’t get through work without a visit to the bathroom multiple times. It is the worst withdrawal, I know. But you’ve got to get help from others too, you need a church family to help lift you up. I’ll pray for you brother, you can conquer this with God’s help
Rob, I've just prayed for you, that God would help you find the strength to quit this awful drug. May He strengthen your body and mind, relieve all withdrawal symptoms, and gift you with peace and the support of other Christians around you. You can do this! All blessings from the UK 🇬🇧🙏
Rob, let me tell you….I was on drugs (oxys, heroin, cocaine, crack cocaine, meth, etc) for over 20yrs. I backslid from my faith, but God’s deliverance and providence saved me and can save you too. I’ll be completely frank with you - IT IS HARD! It’s not easy, but if you can somehow remove yourself from the ppl you hang around with, find a program that’ll get you on suboxone and surround yourself with a support system (family and friends), you can make it. If ever you need someone to talk to, please reach out to me - Christian @ 707-310-1639 or djchrisp@gmail.com. I love you brother and God loves you more
Lord, have mercy on Rob. Save him from the grasp of addiction. In Jesus's name. AMEN 🙏
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Wow thanks for the video. I'm just now learning about Willow Creek. And recently I have been talking with people online about Unbelievers, Seekers, Believers, and Disciples. It never occurred to me that the word Seeker has been corrupted by this Willow Creek church. People must be thinking that I advocate for their definition of a Seeker group.
It seems there "free" Seeker service is not there to point them to Christ but to explore their "feelings". Any Seeker group needs close supervision to point them to Christ. Otherwise, it can lead to untold amounts of "man-made" doctrines. I pray for the people in this church but hand over their leaders to the evil one. That they may see the error of their ways [as Paul instructs].
The 'idol shepherd' that leaves the flock...
Zechariah 11:17a
"Woe to the idol shepherd that leaves the flock!"
Who is the 'idol shepherd' that leaves the flock in Zechariah 11:15-17?
The text in the entire book of Zechariah is primarily on God's judgement in the latter days.
The topic in Zechariah 11:15-17 is the 'foolish shepherd' (verse 15) who is also described as the 'idol shepherd who leaves the flock' (verse 17).
In the book of Zechariah, the word 'shepherd' first appears in Zechariah 10:2, and last appears in Zechariah 13:7.
The English word 'idol(s)' has been translated from several Hebrew words. In some Bible text the word 'idol' is a noun, and is defined as a physical object of worship (adoration), which may be either in public space or in a private space such as a home. However, in other Bible texts the word 'idol' is an adjective (i.e. a word that 'describes' the 'characteristics' of the noun).
In Zechariah 11:17, the word 'idol' (Strong's #H457), Hebrew: אליל ('ĕlîyl), is an adjective (i.e. a word that 'describes' the 'characteristics' of the noun). Therefore, in Zechariah 11:17, the word 'idol' (adjective) describes the characteristics of the shepherd (noun).
In Zechariah 11:17, the word 'idol' (Strong's #H457), Hebrew: אליל ('ĕlîyl), is an adjective, and is defined: good for nothing; of nought; of no value; thing of nought; worthless; by analogy vain.
Therefore, in Zechariah 11:17 the term 'idol shepherd' refers to a 'good for nothing shepherd' and in the New Testament context, it refers to a church leader (bishop, elder, pastor) who is good for nothing!
Zechariah 11:15 infers that in the New Testament context, the 'shepherds' (church leaders, pastors, elders, bishops) will use 'instruments' (figurative of the processes for guiding the members of the church assembly), of a 'foolish' (careless, negligent) 'shepherd' (church leader).
Zechariah 11:16 states that God will permit 'shepherd' (i.e. church leaders) to rise in the land, who: -
🔹Will not visit those that is 'cut off' (completely destroyed spiritually);
🔹Will not seek the young one (babe in Christ);
🔹Will not heal those who are broken spiritually;
🔹Will not 'feed' (sustain with the Bread of Life; i.e. Christ) those who 'stand still' (i.e. have fainted spiritually);
🔹Will 'eat' (consume) the 'flesh' (living body) of the 'fat' (abundance), and will tear their claws in pieces.
Zechariah 11:17 states that: -
🔹Woe (i.e. trouble) will befall the 'idol' (good for nothing) 'shepherd' (church leader) who 'leaves' (abandons, neglects) the 'flock' (members of the church).
🔹The 'sword' (figurative of God's destructive judgement by His word) will be upon the 'arm' (strength) of the 'good for nothing' church leader, and upon his right eye (figurative of spiritual understanding).
🔹God will cause the arm (strength) of the 'idol shepherd' (good for nothing church leader) to be 'clean dried up' (rendered lifeless), and his 'right eye' (primary mental and spiritual faculties) will be utterly darkened (infers no spiritual understanding).
The 'idol' (good for nothing) 'shepherd' (church leader) in Zechariah 11:15-17, is depicted as the unjust steward in Luke 16:1-15.
In the parable of the unjust steward, in order to remain 'esteemed' (popular) to the sinful people (depicted as debtors) who owe a 'debt' (obligation to follow God), the unjust steward reduced their 'debt' to God. This is likened to a church leader who relaxes God's requirements for holiness of the members of the church assembly by teaching them that less than 100% of their debt to God is acceptable. (Luke 16:1-15)
In Luke 16:8 the word 'wisely' is used in the context of natural intellect that is superior to that of the 'children of light' (i.e. followers of Christ who generally are of ordinary or average intellect).
Notice also that the motive of the unjust steward is 'mammon' (the wealth of this world).
Both the 'idol' (good for nothing) 'shepherd' (church leader) in Zechariah 11:15-17, and the unjust steward in Luke 16:1-15, meet a tragic end.
I recently left CCC in Omaha, the lead “minister “ there comes from Willow Creek and has corrupted the gospel with the seeker centric approach and has fully embraced the doctrines of Bethel, Hillsong and Elevation churches.
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Alan hit 100k! Congratulations brother. You deserve it.
I attended a few weekend services there. They were known as a seekers church for the unchurched. They had deeper sermons and bible studies during the week. I don't know what goes in there now.
Wow thank you for this Revelation of Revelation Chapter 4.
To many Christians quote John 3:16, nothing wrong with that, However not to many Christians Quote anything about how God is Truly Set Apart and there is none like Him.
May God Bless You Sir Jesus Christ’s Name.
Thank you for this informative video,God bless you Brother Allen.
Amen Amen Amen
Holy Holy Holy
Can someone tell me what the churches stand is if someone is being emotionally abused by a narcissist in a marriage? Meaning, if you stay you may just turn mental because of all the lies and manipulation. Yet you have a child together.
First thing is you and your child’s safety. God understands that. Second is guarding your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Please seek help from a pastor or a good family councilor that is a Christian. I could give more advice but I don’t know you or the extent of your situation. Getting help is a necessity though. God Bless.
@@marke2401 would I please be able to speak to you
@@XxLismixX possibly yes. Though I don’t know how to make that possible without posting personal contact info. (don’t ever do that) unless you know a way. I will say that I am not in in any way a licensed councilor or professional or anything of the nature. I hope I did not give that impression. I’m just a regular person with a lot of faith in the Lord and much experience. I do give council now and then.
@@marke2401 could you possibly rent a box at your local post office and have just a box number, city and state..without using your name on the envelope? I know it’s the old way of doing things in this digital age…but you might consider it….
@@XxLismixX read my response to Mark E. On down here…
Have you ever done research or a video on The Arc Churches, like Church of the Highlands in Alabama, New Life in Arkansas, Bayside Community Church in Florida…they are all connected with many more churches
Calm, reasonable, accurate. Thank you.
Thank you for the video. Definitely something to consider and pray for.
I've noticed that many of these Mega Churches have names that are similar to apartment complexes/and condos. They're always named after lakes, streams, creeks, rivers, hills, mountians, etc. But there never is a lake, stream, creek, river, hill, or mountain. Just sayin.
This comment made me laugh out loud 😅. Good point.
It's done that way for marketing purposes. Everything done in that movement is intentional to market themselves differently from traditional churches in an attempt to appeal to unbelievers with a non offensive messages. It's why the buildings don't look like churches and there are no pulpits too.
@@TheJpep2424 you are the church God's people are captive blacks n indigenous hispanic n natives
@@TheJpep2424 Good point. Heaven forbid a church actually look and sound like a real church. Or be of a reasonable size for the pastor to know his sheep...or for the sheep to know each other. No wonder it's so easy for a wolf in sheep clothing to infiltrate the flock. I've never understood the reason people puff up with pride about attending a large church as though they were bragging about what a large and splendid house they owned.
You’ll never see “Bible” in the name of their church. It’ll drive people away.
When you see things like this happen it is easy to see why Paul laid it bare what special requirements a pastor should have to lead the flock...Timothy and Titus letters make this plain.
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Hey Alan, I was thinking maybe you should look into making a video about how to properly look for a solid bible believing church with the 3 keys? Cause I understand a true church is marked by those, but I don't believe a lot of people know how to find them. If it's God's will I would love to hear your thoughts on that
The real solution, dear brother, is to follow the pattern Jesus laid down for us. Doing so will cut across both camps -- the 'easy package' so-called Seeker crowd and the hyper-preachy types usually seen in street preaching.
It is the Holy Spirit that convicts of sin, note that Jesus himself never once recited the carnal sins of the crowd -- only the sins of unbelief and religious hypocrisy.
Even when rebuking the mob that brought the adulteress before him, Jesus' handwriting in the sand was silently delivered. The only exception to this was the woman at the well, but notice she initiated the conversation and Jesus only brought up her multiple marriages in private.
All extremes can be unfruitful, and while we have too many lukewarm (or false) believers in positions of ministry today, we have just as many wannabe's pretending to be the apostle Paul and using his letters out of context.
Rather than quoting Paul for the purpose of exhortation as his letters were intended, they use them as if they were written to unbelievers outside the Church.
Too much focus on sins of the flesh actually works against the Holy Spirit's ability to convict during a proper delivery of the Gospel.
We should preach what the Bible says not by reciting each and every word to every audience, but by following the Lord's example and not conflating his approach to sinners with Paul's' admonishments to fellow believers.
There is far too much milk in the modern Church and far too little adherence to the Word of God, which explains why the words of Jesus are so rarely quoted, or his example followed.
Interesting, I never heard of them
They're less known but the church that started the entire false movement back in the 70s. They influenced Rick Warren.
@@TheJpep2424 oh
I was one of the 150 who started at the theater, I borrowed money to give to Willowcreek in build the building. I grew up Baptist and was saved at the age of 7. I am now 71 and never saw what you are describing. Bill Hybels performed my marriage in 1977. Heard many teachings. I left due to moving before all the "stuff" came out and not sure if its true. The Devil is active is all I know. I hope you are doing this for the right reasons!! I cannot judge, but saying "false theology" is a serious comment and will be punished by GOD if not true! Are you saved?
I have willow and the services so beneficial to me. I understand the criticism but this seems so much of a exaggeration
They’ve been doing some great stuff and talking about hard stuff as well. I don’t understand what they have against these bigger churches . It’s not like heaven won’t be crowded like this church. But, willow gives out as much as it is given. They have a grocery store in there for people to come get food for free for their families, and hundreds of ministries to help.
Happy 100k!
Thank you!!
I’ve never heard of these people. I’ve only heard about Hybels from somewhere, but these guys are quite unknown to me. At least I know enough to stay away from this church. Have an awesome week yourself, Alan, and God bless you.
So does this mean that the celebrity of Dr. John MacArthur has tainted his effectiveness as an Undershepherd?
Hey, hey, hey. There is not one path to attract people to the love of Jesus. There is only one path to God, but many paths into the heart of a man. Feel good about yourself and what you are doing, but remember God calls me to do one thing and you to do another. Don't expect every church to do everything right, but they are doing it in the hopes of reaching Jesus according to their calling.
They’ve been doing some great stuff and talking about hard stuff as well. I don’t understand what they have against these bigger churches . It’s not like heaven won’t be crowded like this church. But, willow gives out as much as it is given. They have a grocery store in there for people to come get food for free for their families, and hundreds of ministries to help.
Funny! I deliver water to that building. Huge building!!!! It’s in a really wealthy neighborhood, mansions upon mansions upon mansions.
Those types of churches are always planted in affluent upper class white suburbs. That's why it's so successful. Those types of messages they teach don't work in poor areas
Let's be honest..."love" is not "tolerant" of all behavior. Merely tolerating anything is not love, it is apathy. No parent can claim to "love" a child they do not discipline, teach, and oversee maturity for. In fact, parental love is "tough love" which sets boundaries and insists on compliance so that the child can learn and grow. This is God's love..."tough love". Also, in spite of how much one may love their children, the limits to acceptable behavior often requires discipline or even punishment. A loving God who did not discipline, did not punish, is also a God that does not reward. If the reward for success is the same as the punishment for failure, what is the point?
Thousands of lost souls enticed by words that legitimize a life of sin, sans Christ. Pray for these lost souls, we are in the last days and time is short.
They’ve been doing some great stuff and talking about hard stuff as well. I don’t understand what they have against these bigger churches . It’s not like heaven won’t be crowded like this church. But, willow gives out as much as it is given. They have a grocery store in there for people to come get food for free for their families, and hundreds of ministries to help.
And it sure Preaches the gospel with no sugar coating
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"Religious music over classic hymnals and Psalm singing"? What is wrong with that?
And still in the meanwhile you sell merchandise, clothes?? I don't see any difference to be honest
I believe the merchandise identifies with this channel and beliefs. Most hymns and Psalms identify with sound theology, repentance and holiness. Most (NOT ALL) CCM seems to emphasize feelings, weak if not erroneous theology and produced from an entertainment perspective more so than repentance and godliness. Nevertheless I do tolerate some of the entertainment aspects but solely for entertaining purpose and never acknowledging it to be true WORSHIP. It’s kinda like viewing these videos but never considering it a substitute for actual church involvement and fellowship.
Be blessed Anonymous! Grateful for you sharing your opinion!
@@clayman2216 Thanks Nicoco and Clay Man. May God bless you!
As someone who grew up in church with those “boring” hymns, then was saved in college when hymns were considered fuddy duddy in favor of more contemporary songs. I have attended many different denominations in various states and cities, with various music styles. As I’ve grown older, I’ve come to appreciate the depth of the hymns, the theology, the truth about God, the worship, that is missing in the emotion-driven lyrics of modern church “worship” that are often all about me, actually. I’m back to where I started…but they’re NOT boring!!!! Lol!
@@megofiachra3247 I do agree with that Meg :)
God bless...
This is a tired criticism that doesn't truly assess the issues and benefits of the seeker sensitive movement in the United States and abroad.
This deserves much better focus and diligence than what was done here.
As from Indian Christian heritage myself, I expect more from you.
No celebrity pastors like John McARthur? Oh wait he is not one right? Willow Creek was wrong but not heretical.
I do disagree with the quote from McArthur in your video. Maybe I would not in context but I do as it is quoted in this video. The problem is pitting a human decision for Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit to regenerate man. Both are true. You have to make a decision for Jesus. That is everywhere in the Bible. But the Bible also teaches that the Holy Spirit must regenerate us before we can choose to place our faith in Jesus. I know that is reformed theology and not Arminisnism. But the way McArthur put the problem is a problem itself. It is not man's choice vs. the Holy Spirit's regeneration. It is man's choice without regeneration that is the issue. Can man choose without a full heart change or being made fully alive. No., they cannot. But regeneration by the Holy Spirit does not mean man does not make a choice.
I do not like treating an in house argument like it is between a Christian and non believer. WE need to speak the truth in love.
Het Alan. Sorry I'm late. Enjoyed it though.
Amen!!
Do you have a channel on R |_| |\/| B |_ 3? I prefer to watch videos there now instead on a leftist censor-happy platform?
Critical thinking would bring an and to the endless shades of gray poo flinging accusations we see in this video. Everyone claims to have a better mind meld with the supernatural dictator they subscribe to. Yet all are too humble to take credit for this gift.
It's tiresome and insincere and will likely continue until evolution weans out the fear of death and propensity to be nosey from our species.
Also, at the one who posts. How much money do you make from these videos and how far into celebrity to you plan to climb?
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Ironic that this "church" started in a hollywood theatre.
They’ve been doing some great stuff and talking about hard stuff as well. I don’t understand what they have against these bigger churches . It’s not like heaven won’t be crowded like this church. But, willow gives out as much as it is given. They have a grocery store in there for people to come get food for free for their families, and hundreds of ministries to help.
@@David_and_his_brother typical hyphenated last name response. Good democrat no doubt✊🏿👍🏿💉💉💉
How do you like that? Bill hybels teaching on false theology LMBO
Hey Alan, what's your faith system? Are you saved? I'll give you 6 months to make something up.
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Oxymoron: Celebrity Pastor
The seeker sensitive movement Has one foot in the world and one foot in the kingdom of God ! It’s Christian Light for those who are Seek Comfortable Armchair Christianity If it was poison it wouldn’t kill you if it was medicine it wouldn’t cure you it’s apparent but not real it’s pseudo Christianity
That didn't look like Nathan, was it?
Hi Denise! I think it was supposed to represent the current crop of seeker-sensitive leaders, but it was inserted at the same time Alan cited Nathan. It took me a few seconds to realize what was going on. I was like, Hey, that's not Nathan. lol.
@@carolberubee I know that he is older than he was at the Strange Fire Conference but I didn't think he looked that different. Plus, I thought he worked for GTY and that he's not seeker sensitive. lol
@@carolberubee Btw, Hi Carol!
OK....so whats the so called definition of repentance then...…..or your definition ???>
He's done videos on that.
Willow Creek sounds like the title of a bad low budget horror film
We need to get rid of Arminianism and Calvinism in churches.
We need to get back to the early Fathers with Provisionism.
Reformed theology has been taught throughout church history and taught by most of the greatest preachers like the puritans and Spurgeon.
First
It is written "the last will be first, and the first last" Matthew 20:16. :)
@@SyntheToonz lol. Calm down hahaha
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Almost every single human being has false theology including you because of the impurities in your hearts. You all interpret scripture how you want to. What you think is irrelevant but believe the truth. The bible will make you a Martyr if you believe it but you don't
(2nd peter 1:20) no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation
Have a seat n get a clue
@@donaldtrumpster6725 God made me obedient to death, even death on a cross physically. You take a seat and get a clue. I am risen
@@halfsheephalfjesus7357 your E. S. A. U as are all europeans thats u folks God given ethnicity your not risen
(Malachi 1:2-4) jacob have I loved but E. S. A. U. have I hated and they shall call THEM the border of WICKEDNESS and THE PEOPLE against whom the LORD hath indignation FOREVER
(Psalm 11:5-6) but the WICKED and him that loveth "VIOLENCE" his soul hateth upon the WICKED he shall rain FIRE n BRIMSTONE this shall be the portion of THEIR cup
(Obadiah 1:10,18) for thy "VIOLENCE" against thy brother jacob shame shall cover thee and thou shalt be cut off FOREVER and there shall not be ANY remaining of the house of E. S. A. U. for the LORD hath spoken it
(Hebrews 12:16-17 kjv) lest there be any fornicator or profane person as E. S. AU - when he would have inherited the blessing he was REJECTED for he found NO place of REPENTANCE/ no repentance for any of ya
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Alan, you're quite the critic, and these videos must take a lot of time to make. Do you work and actually make money? Married? Kids? If your worldview is so great, please show evidence that your LIFE is great and satisfying as a result of it. I see no real evidence of that. My hunch is that you wouldn't obsess about this stuff if your life was truly fulfilling.
Cut the finger pointing
@@donaldtrumpster6725 I have no animosity here--my questions are fair. A proponent of a way of living has a duty to show that the way of living he advocates leads to good results.
@@prometheusrex1 im simply saying that all preachers for the last 6centuries have taught the same thing john3:16 with their own twist added all religions are of Satan Buddhism catholic baptist islam harry krisnof etc the bible nor God have anything to do with religion - so finger pointing is simply the pot calling the kettle black
@@donaldtrumpster6725 You're wrong in this way: *I have not put up TH-cam videos claiming I know the way. But this guy Alan has. Therefore your analogy fails: I am not doing what Alan is doing.* Understood?
Jesus and the early church never sang out of a hymn book written in the 1700's, sing to the Lord a new song, don't be a hypocrite Mr narrator