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- I've been thinking a lot recently about working with multiple gods and goddess, how to decide how many deities to work with, and what the difference is between "working with" a deity, venerating a deity, and worshiping a deity.
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This is a fascinating discussion. It has cleared up so much for me. So very helpful, especially your thoughts on the nuances of 'working with' vs veneration vs worship. The differences are subtle but quite profound. Thank you!
That's interesting, I would say that for the most part I use worship in a more pantheistic sense, but I venerate my dedicated deity. I see personified deity as easier to "talk to" and to consider as a role model or mentor, but I don't consider that to just be "working with" because I've made a practice of venerating that deity in my life and doing rituals to them at each of the sabbats. I tend to add less personification to anything I consider "the divine embodiment of the universe" and refer to those aspects in a more primordial sense.
I guess, reflecting on that, it's probably indicating that I see the divine as a more unconscious level of existence, and I relate to personified deity as being more of the ultimate pinnacle of what consciousness could become, and in relating to that I can strive to be closer to that.
Couldn't a bar of soap be a deity? Where did we come from?
I worship God through prayers and meditation
I really appreciate this video, especially the breakdown between venerating vs worship.
Dulia (medieval Latin from Greek douleia) is not restricted to human reverence or devotion but is actually considered worship when done in a religious context.
Thank you for sharing, very helpful and clarifying
Yes I would be more interested in a detailed video. I do find myself a bit lost on the topic of "what to do."
Gosh I can't even remember what I was suggesting with a more detailed video, but I may well make this in the next few months!
Great vid.! Interesting though, the number 4 in Japanese is "shi", which means "death". So some Japanese utilize "yon"...Ergo: Ichi, ni, san, yon, go...etc. I'm an American of Japanese ancestry, Pagan... so i'm torn. LOL
This video has given me a lot to mull over, so thank you for this 😊
I'd also love to see a more detailed video about potential differences between working with/veneration/worship. They're concepts I still find confusing, even though I've been exploring my spiritual path for a few years now.
I would be interested in a more detailed video as well. 🙏🏻
Thank you for this. The distinctions you made are very helpful. I'd definitely like to learn more in future videos.
I personally find myself resonating mostly with deity veneration, at least right now. Even years after leaving Christianity, I still struggle with the concept of deity/deities personally. However, I have venerated the goddess Epona for years now. I have items on my altar to represent Her. I think of her frequently, but I don't actually do active working with or worshiping of Her beyond honoring her feast day in December. I really resonate with the concept of veneration deities personally, I've come to realize.
As I was watching the video, the author Lupa's concept of primary, secondary, and tertiary totems sprang into mind as another possible way of looking at deities. Copied below is a paragraph from an article they wrote that is expanded on in their books on working with animal, plant, and nature spirits/energies. I feel these concepts may also be useful in working with deities. You can substitute "deity" wherever you see "animal totem."
"The relationship with a totem can vary, too. I've divided totems up, for my own purposes, into three categories. Primary totems are those that most people think of when they think of totem animals--the animal(s) that will be with you for your entire life, guiding and teaching and influencing you. Secondary totems are those that come into your life of their own volition to teach you a specific lesson or get you through a certain phase in your life. And tertiary totems are ones that you call on for help with a specific problem; they help you only with that issue, and then you both move on. Any totem is capable of being in any of these roles; this is merely a system I've developed to make my own understanding easier."
That's a really interesting concept, thanks for sharing!
Very interesting…I would love to hear more about ways to more deeply connect to the energy of deities, whatever category that fits into.
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I would be very interested in a more detailed video.
The classical elements are based on hot/dry, hot/wet, cold/dry, and cold/wet. People who want to use 4 deities could use different binaries. Back when I was a Middle-schooler, I played around with John,Paul, George, and Ringo instead of Fire, Water, Earth, Air. 😆
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The binary system is a great way to understand the world in terms of contrasts. While the classic negentropy/entropy duality is foundational to what's going on in the universe, its black/white, yang/yin approach is too reductionist for our day to day lives. Rather than perceive the religious binary system as a lesson in absolutes, I prefer to focus in on those contrasts describes with -er words. It's hotter here in the sun. It's darker this time of year. I'm sadder when I'm alone. They're meaner to others when they're together. -er words allow us to acknowledge the complexity of the universe, and not just the foundational blocks.
That's why I really like the four spoke wheel representing the elements. By focusing on more than two elements (light/dark, male/female, etc), whether it's the Irish three, or classic four, or Feng Shui's five, or however many, we acknowledge that the world has many factors, building blocks, forces being acted on, and potential outcomes.
The four spoke wheel, for me, also reinterprets the binary system as cyclical rather than a pendulum swings from one absolute to another. The two spokes connect two elements: air and water, fire and earth. If you imagine the four spoke wheel as a three-dimensional sphere and turned it, each spoke would now be be following the surface of the sphere, rather than piercing through it. If you follow that path, air flows into water and back again, while fire flows into earth and back again. Two intersecting circles are found, one illustrating the water cycle, where water evaporates, becomes particles in the air, and eventually returns as rain. The other is the rock cycle, where stone melts as it is submerged underground, becomes part of the mantle, and then returns to the surface, usually volcanically, and hardens back to a new stone. Neither of these cycles has a peak point of "being", but rather illustrates the living dance between elements of the real world. It's a simplified story populated by only four abstract elements, but it helps get the mind out of thinking in terms of strict duality.
And duality is a great way for the single individual to make sense of the world, because one person can't understand everything. But just like human eyes can only see a range of waves in the visible spectrum, thinking about the whole world in terms that are beneficial to only one person (or one species) is very limiting. The role of religious symbolism/myths helps us see more wave lengths, even if it's only in our mind, much like science allows us to see more the universe, but in mathematically terms.
So a pair of gods, a male/female duality, can be great for an individual to relate to the rest of the universe (it IS a big place, after all), we shouldn't be afraid to periodically invite other gods in to help expand our awareness in ways we hadn't considered before. They are suppose to be the masters of the "big picture" after all. Let them educate us.