I mean the entire argument most people have is hes just easier to play spirit. You essentially get almost the same value except dracula has more tools and ease.
Basically no cooldown, can stay in bats mode forever, can teleport with the bats, has two more abilities on top of that which is basically nemesis/pyramid head with weaker wesker, better to equal add-ons, and OH HES 115% movement speed. He’s obviously better than spirit. I think on an overall scale all maps considered he’s 3rd or 2nd best.
@ I honestly have such a hard time debating between blight and Dracula. Like Dracula doesn’t really have too much of a map dependency for his bats but blight does. My argument is Drac>blight on worst case maps but blight>drac on avg or on best maps. (This is my personal criteria)
@@DrHappy-hk4hl billy got toned down and depends on maps a nice bit, chucky yes he has no map pressure, blight is hard to say though. I think if you put them both on their worst map drac wins, put em on a avg or their personal best map possible blight wins. Add ons are about the sameish
Scott, thanks for your 20 minute analysis that thoroughly supports your claim of Dracula being marginally better than Spirit. However, you are wrong. The support for my claim? No. Thanks for reading.
I mean yeah you dont need to have thousands of hours to realize this, im surprised this is even a contentious topic. The second I saw his powers it became pretty obvious that he is just a combination of three slightly less powerful abilities of three other killers, making it so if Dracula was even usable, it meant that those other killers are inherently less unique and powerful. Like why would i play Spirit when I can just do almost everything she can do on Dracula but with more options. Yes, as Scott says Spirit is better in some situations of course, but 9 times out of ten im picking Dracula over Spirit in my games if i want that play style.
Erm, if you think wolf is strong you’re just bad, just juke better 🤓 is usually the response I get. They never mention that if you’re being chased by wolf you have no choice in sprinting and giving him a constant haste from scent orbs
@@nicememes7570 I've also found that you can cheese loops as wolf by having insidious. Insidious paired with the 3rd person camera and reduced height, you can make survivors think you've left the loop when really you're just waiting a couple seconds for them to get out of position. Can also use it after damaging a generator. Hit it, then hide behind something and wait for the nearby survivor to come out and work on it before you surprise them. Jump scare wolf is pretty fun lol not optimal, but it's fun.
@@thatoneguy5969 yes and no bc there is seems to be a passive growling or something that some people can keep an ear out for, I’ve been wanting to superior anatomy-undetectable-wolf jump scare people as wolf since he came out but can never really get in place in time. Can’t believe we let BHVR get away with putting holes in every wall of shack so that crybaby survivor mains can’t get mind gamed anymore on top of that
I mean he moves slight slower than spirit but can go over pallets and windows and then can teleport a pretty good distance with no punishment to his mobility. On top of having two other solid powers aswell.
Without the add ons you have to be a good distance close before it lets you teleport. The main issue here is the add ons, We start touching his base kit again and it is just going to go tits up.
@@CaptToilet I play all my killers without addons and Dracula is still so good without any addons the Teleport distance is still good because you move so fast that you get in Teleport range quickly regardless, and in comparison to spirit who doesn't have that ability to teleport anyway it's obviously a no brainer
Aren't you missing the fact that spirit can bodyblock pallet vaults ? If they vault back they are dead so they basically have the same option as if the pallet was blocked by a break option which is to go away
2:27 I think you are also missing the part where if you vault into the spirit's husk you cant vault back so it really isn't a 50/50 if you know how to do that tech
It's nice to see a title that says "Why I THINK Dracula..." and not "DRACULA IS BETTER". That's an invite to debate and not a close-minded take. I would love to see a comparison between two mains on these killers, my money is on bat man
I feel they should buff Dracs recovery if he teleport to a vault/window in bat form and let the Drac player hold the button down if he was to auto exit his bat from when telepoting to make thing faster but reduce his recovery if he cancels it normally. This will change his bat form being a better spirit at most loops to being more of an anti window killer with his recovery buff it will reward the drac for his positioning and and punish a survivor for their bad positioning and survivors will have to be mindful of windows when looping a drac, is he going to use fire or a fast teleport. Or they could just add what Venca has, if you exit bat form to close to the survivor you get pushed back.
Scott I’m working on something with 40 games I played back to back of 20 slugging and 20 hooking game and all the data from it all with true form Dracula (the big boi)… after 3 days of 8-10 hours of Dracula. I would say you are 100% correct about him being better than spirit it’s not even close. My main reason is the ability to shapeshift so fast. Going from Dracula on a survivor, hitting, transform to bat, ALWAYS chose dog when near a survivor and start pouncing. In many of the later games of the hook video you will see how power it can be. Hope u come check it out if any data u want to see is missing LMK I’ll add it.
There's of course Spirit out of power being 4.4 m/s, while Dracula enjoys 4.6 out of batform, and gets haste orbs in wolf form. I'm hardly in vampire, it's mostly the animals, that lunge is suh-weet and the lower silhouette in 3rd person is so lovely, especially for my Unforeseen Devotion of Furtive Friends build
Ye the only true positive for spirit is that she comes out swinging, survs can somewhat play a non dropped pallet to stall Drac while spirit just hits you. The question is then if Dracs extra mobility and ofc extra reach with the pillars, outweigh the immediate hit you would get out of phasing.
@@thedoomslayer5863 Then the killer is still as strong as before, just with one less busted addon? What's your point? That killer get nerfed when they get nerfed??
-A side object built into his ability (like the reverse bear traps or 3d printers.. to waste survivors time) -exposed part to his kit where you can down people instantly - summon an ai controlled unit - place traps Then I'd say he has almost all abilities at his disposal, and I'm honestly get sick of these type of killers. Killers that have haste are a problem. Killers that trap and hinder(Hag and Skull) are a problem Killers with 4 abilities are a problem
Hi Scott, I'd like to add that at the moment, spirit can go right next to a pallet, start phase, and if you vault the pallet you get stuck inside the husk with no way to re-vault or move out of the way, so it's a guaranteed hit at fillers unless you walk away and she doesn't notice/have cherry blossom.
@@TheKrueger1428 Damn, i like vsing both but I also play a lot of both. Vsing Spirit seems much easier to me with the directional audio. I found Drac annoying cos of Hellfire but u just have to change course when u see his fire hand light up.
I don't disagree that Dracula is better than spirit. I think you're high when comparing the two like threw are the same kind of killer. He's closer to vecna than he is spirit. Trickster and huntress are closer in comparison than drac and spirit.
Vecna has giant cooldowns on his power, can't use fly indefinetely, can be easily juked at windows with it too, and can overall be ignored most of the time if you just know how to play against him. Dracula is nothing alike, the only thing they have in common is a "multi-task" kind of power, otherwise their power are nothing like each other. And the point everyone is talking about is how good bats are, wich is the point of comparison since it's THIS great.
@jeanmarc6517 Well, they don't have to be exactly the same. But at least be in the same neighborhood. Like trickster and huntress. Or nemi and pyramid head would be close too. Spirit and Dracula bat is not close. They have similarities but are entirely different powers not to be compared.
It'll have been the standard time frame for them to nerf an OP killer. That's the BHVR business model: Make them a lil OP out the gate, get the sales, then nerf. It's horrible and sucks for anyone not BHVR, but business is business.
In bat form you can also follow a survivor vaulting from elevation. During the drop down you can turn back to Dracula and land before the survivor for a free hit 😂
I think there's a healthy conversation to be had here. I'm pretty disappointed that some of the twitter Dracula players just make fun of it or quickly jumped to the "Scott is racist" card for some reason.
@@ScottJund i think you missed something crucial. Spirit can break pallets, zone and then phase-walk between loops. With MDR ring and Dried blossom, spirit's almost guaranteed the hit on every usage of her power. dracula isn't guaranteed anything. The way you handle 2nd example with dracula when you break pallet is that you fly over, break pallet ->change into wolf form and then use pounce between loop because it's ranged attack. its worse then wesker's ranged attack but it is still ranged lunge. Spirit is also better in window/pallet situation but the way dracula fixes his bat form problem at shack is hellfire which you mention. that is why i said that Dracula == spirit because he uses his M2 powers to be as good as her at loops or between loops. He's m2 spirit. Spirit is still considered 3rd or 4th best because none of others kill received significant buffs. Killer just got nerfed but nothing replaced them. there is just no killer that arguably replaces spirit's capacities. As for why nothing been replaced? Because she was consider too good so why they buff something to be as good as old spirit? They wouldn't. Chase-wise, There's only Nurse, Chucky and Spirit that have as good chases as Dracula and what a surprise, they're best killers. Blight was only other killer to come close but he got close because of Hug tech which got nerfed and powerful add-on like.... C33 breaking pallets in 1.5 seconds and Infinity rushes. It just goes to show that in order make other killers that don't have good powers, you need create exploits and insanely busted add-on for them to even remote compete vs best chasing killers. that is how far nurse chucky and spirit are compare to the rest. Dracula's just joined Spirit tier. you can say he is #4 or #3. they're kinda the same.
Dracula would have definitely tunnel, slug, hit on hook, and mori you for these videos you been posting about him. All jokes aside I’m still going to play him after his nerf so I really don’t care.
Dracula is imo better overall. Also a good spirit struggles much more high MMR and full Iron will, you really have to be a Top tier one if a kind spirit, to do what Dracula can do. Also id say batform into normal almost 8/10 is a free hit
On your first point towards Spirit it’s also important to mention that Drac can teleport to the pallet and hinder the survivor. Idk about all cases but on weaker loops the hider should be strong enough to get a hit
eventually bhvr is gonna run out of things they can do for killer powers and everything they make will just be jigsaw puzzles of other killer powers since the game is essentially identical to release in your goals and tools for both sides
What I heard: Dracula is better than Spirit What I’m choosing to hear: Spirit is weak therefore needs a buff! Thank you Scott I’m glad we can agree on this 🤝
I think another point you miss is the stirring. Bat form moves side to side while flying which makes her harder to control and easier to get stuck on things than spirit.
The thing is the bat is louder not invisible and stunnable unlike the spirit.They could add a bigger transition time and the ability to hear as bat better.The corrext aproach would be to make the bat more of a distance covering tool.
I think people are wrongfully comparing Dracula to spirit just because they both can’t see you but it’s more fair to compare him to wraith. Fast speed, meant to play a supportive role, perfectly visible just tricky to see and can’t instantly hit you out of that form
i think once people actually get used to people playing dracula effectively it might be harder to get results. people have been used to going against spirit for several years and it's much rarer to go against an unskilled spirit than it is to run into a skilled spirit. right now, it's extremely common to run into very unskilled draculas or just people going for adept because he's new; and while true in a vacuum there are the tiny differences that put dracula on top, i feel like the in-practice situations are going to over time favor dracula less over spirit just by people getting used to going against it.
Wolf is great and should be used in L wall loops, and in chase. I only use the shapeshift speed addon and the cool down addon as its really all thats needed. You can almost chain hell fire into wolf or hell fire into bat etc. Also makes his shape shift that much more smoother. Hopefully can catch scott live at some point to give more info or plays surrounding Dracula. Also am on Twitch myself Tuesdays and am A Dracula main have been since he came out as Castlevania is one of my favorite series (games).
I don't think Chucky ever competes at Spirit's caliber, because his Map control is so bad and he's 110 and his stealth is limited out a timer and it's not as good as some people think imo, so I think Chucky is overrated
Yapping. Spirit is better than drac. Spirit but u do it in place to get a free coup de grace is OP! (trust me bro) Can bat form grab people off of generators........ yeah i didnt think so.
If they nerf Medusa's Hair I hope the fix the Sunglasses. One extra pillar, but you take longer to charge and since you're slow while doing so the surv gets more distance before you fire, which makes this add-on COMPLETELY USELESS.
if they would just make the cooldown on a pillar of flame a little bit longer, and the change time out of batform he would be solid and fun to play against.
If you asked me, I would personally say Spirit is merely the 7th best killer in the game right now. My top 7 in order are Nurse, Blight, Billy, Artist (Yep!), Chucky, Dracula, then Spirit.
A good spirit is better than good dracula bcuz spirit chases are short dracula power is hellfire dodge predrop hold w works against him against spirit esp a good one its not gonna work
Spirit can't teleport. Wolf lunge > blind Spirit lunge, that wolf can sneak in all kinds of hits, it's glorious. Wolf also 4.6 m/s with haste orbs dropping compared to Spirit's 4.4, but can transform to a bat on a whim. Did I mention he teleports?
you should do videos about correct plays and counterplays surv/killer for every scenario. you explain well, that would be fun to watch and we can learn
Why is Spirit so high up? Because I have hearing damage, and legit can't hear where she is at. So that kinda makes her impossible to play against. I have 0 issues tracking Survivors as Killer without perfect audio (in 99% of circumstances), but Spirit is a 'HAHA you're disabled' spit in my face.
Dracula only in bat form is worse at a pallet than spirit, yes, but Dracula as a whole is better, cause he can Hellfire across the pallet to hit them. Edit: Typo
I'm pretty new to 2024 DBD cuz I was on console and they ruined the game and made it unplayable on console so I haven't played in a long ass time but it just kinda seems to me that Dracula would need a nerf right? Like I know the Lich has like 4 powers but aren't people complaining about that too? Just kinda seems these killers with a ton of abilities would nerfs but I haven't played in a while especially not survivor so I'm not sure how they're balanced or not
Vecna is kind of hard to play and all of his abilities have clear counterplay through simple game knowledge or survivor magic items. Dracula just is. He has those things, and there's no counter items or interactions beyond running away or hiding
@@j-money753 Pinhead is kinda hard to play and his ability is simular to Nurse (how it's works mechanically and how hard it is), but he is not ever near if compare him with Nurse.
@ being able to use your power in every single loop is much better than phasing thru windows lol, his 2 other powers are chase oriented and bat is 100% for mobility, it’s only decent in god loops like main buildings
I hope Kaiser sees this video as Kaiser think it’s such a good change to make Dracula be able to see player in bat bc of his disability I have a disability too I got adhd n add how about remove doctors illusions as it messes with my attention span n I may think that he teleported
Honestly, not only is he a better spirit, he is just a poorly designed killer in my opinion. Why do you get to be the spirit, nemesis, and wesker all at once? Why does the wolf have basic attacks that count towards stbfl? It's really janky and uncreative imo. That hellfire is even included is completely unnecessary and I think it removes any originality dracula would've had. I would play dracula if his power was better thought out and more cohesive. I really think they need to rework him all together, or make his different powers significantly weaker.
Pillar of fire is telegraphed though. If you make your movement obvious then yes he will hit you. Toss it up a bit. Not to mention he slows when you charge the power up and when you see that just move out of range and onto the next loop. His slowdown hurts much more than you might think and that balances it out. If we are gonna nerf him to satisfy the potato players, then hit the add ons. Hit the teleportation and transformation add ons to add a slight delay. Make it so Medusa hair doesn't hinder as much. Do not touch his base.
@@DopeDevastation Don't tell that to the survivors who I faked out and yet they still made it to a window or pallet because of the movement penalty and attack delay. You know how to play and you can counter it no issues. Don't worry though, Dracula will be tuned to cater to potato players so none of this will matter soon.
Spirit can't do anything about dropped safe pallets. Medusa hair Drac can literally teleport to their side and get a guaranteed free hit almost always with 15% hindered
@@burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761 A good spirit don’t fk up their phases. Do you know how fast she moves while using it? You pretty much don’t waste much charges because it moves fast asf around loops.
@@STARLEYMAYHEM Surivior can hear you going around the pallet, you break it and they hold W to the next loop, simple. Meanwhile Dracula can just teleport to the other side, body block the attempt to vault back and with Medusa hair add on especially, can just hit the survivor who tries to W away. Huge difference.
I’ve felt spirit is ass for a while tbh. Never felt she was that good, aside from the insane addon combo, but base/brown addon spirit. Dracula smokes her imo
Nawwww I don’t suck my teeth when I see a Dracula Spirit I kinda have that same mentality when a nurse or blight comes in like dam I have to play serious 1:16
First just tell us how strong you think Spirit is at her peak and how strong she is generally, like you think she better then wesker? You think she better then plague? We don't understand if you think Dracula is like top 5 killers and like S tier, because most people don't think so. They think he is more like B tier and kinda bad.
@@ScottJundWhere's Billy dho? And Twins at three is kinda crazy, no? Ok I just saw the twins buff (6 months ago, am not late) I didn't know they buffed them that crazy
@@ScottJundU think Artist is better than Unknown? it's easier to get birds off you than the pepto and Unknown has way better map control and can deal with elevation better
Looking at the thumbnail this looks like a quantum mechanics video, like he drew the sigma bonds of a molecule or something and drew the S. I straight up though he was about to teach.
If you thought it was about quantum mechanics, you have no clue what quantum mechanics even is... Stop pretending you're smart online; We can tell you're not.
Mostly agree, but if you think Spirit isn't third best simply because she was nerfed repeatedly, you shouldn't think Nurse is the best by that logic either
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I mean the entire argument most people have is hes just easier to play spirit. You essentially get almost the same value except dracula has more tools and ease.
yeah exactly
Basically no cooldown, can stay in bats mode forever, can teleport with the bats, has two more abilities on top of that which is basically nemesis/pyramid head with weaker wesker, better to equal add-ons, and OH HES 115% movement speed. He’s obviously better than spirit. I think on an overall scale all maps considered he’s 3rd or 2nd best.
Don’t forget that if you’re using wolf proper, as an only chase option, he’s actually 120 not 115 because of constant haste from scent
3rd at best, he's not better than blight and nurse has a permanent lock on that 1 spot
2nd best? You think he's better then Blight, Billy, Chucky?
@ I honestly have such a hard time debating between blight and Dracula. Like Dracula doesn’t really have too much of a map dependency for his bats but blight does. My argument is Drac>blight on worst case maps but blight>drac on avg or on best maps. (This is my personal criteria)
@@DrHappy-hk4hl billy got toned down and depends on maps a nice bit, chucky yes he has no map pressure, blight is hard to say though. I think if you put them both on their worst map drac wins, put em on a avg or their personal best map possible blight wins. Add ons are about the sameish
Scott, thanks for your 20 minute analysis that thoroughly supports your claim of Dracula being marginally better than Spirit.
However, you are wrong. The support for my claim? No.
Thanks for reading.
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I mean yeah you dont need to have thousands of hours to realize this, im surprised this is even a contentious topic. The second I saw his powers it became pretty obvious that he is just a combination of three slightly less powerful abilities of three other killers, making it so if Dracula was even usable, it meant that those other killers are inherently less unique and powerful. Like why would i play Spirit when I can just do almost everything she can do on Dracula but with more options. Yes, as Scott says Spirit is better in some situations of course, but 9 times out of ten im picking Dracula over Spirit in my games if i want that play style.
Erm, if you think wolf is strong you’re just bad, just juke better 🤓 is usually the response I get. They never mention that if you’re being chased by wolf you have no choice in sprinting and giving him a constant haste from scent orbs
@@nicememes7570 I've also found that you can cheese loops as wolf by having insidious. Insidious paired with the 3rd person camera and reduced height, you can make survivors think you've left the loop when really you're just waiting a couple seconds for them to get out of position.
Can also use it after damaging a generator. Hit it, then hide behind something and wait for the nearby survivor to come out and work on it before you surprise them.
Jump scare wolf is pretty fun lol not optimal, but it's fun.
@@thatoneguy5969 yes and no bc there is seems to be a passive growling or something that some people can keep an ear out for, I’ve been wanting to superior anatomy-undetectable-wolf jump scare people as wolf since he came out but can never really get in place in time. Can’t believe we let BHVR get away with putting holes in every wall of shack so that crybaby survivor mains can’t get mind gamed anymore on top of that
Damn it's almost as if directional phase sound made Spirit lose a tad too much lethality
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I mean he moves slight slower than spirit but can go over pallets and windows and then can teleport a pretty good distance with no punishment to his mobility. On top of having two other solid powers aswell.
But how is that op? Just get good
Without the add ons you have to be a good distance close before it lets you teleport. The main issue here is the add ons, We start touching his base kit again and it is just going to go tits up.
@@STARLEYMAYHEM your IQ is very low
@@CaptToilet I play all my killers without addons and Dracula is still so good without any addons the Teleport distance is still good because you move so fast that you get in Teleport range quickly regardless, and in comparison to spirit who doesn't have that ability to teleport anyway it's obviously a no brainer
@@STARLEYMAYHEM its not OP, it just invalidates spirit gameplay wise
Aren't you missing the fact that spirit can bodyblock pallet vaults ? If they vault back they are dead so they basically have the same option as if the pallet was blocked by a break option which is to go away
how can spirit bodyblock pallet vaults? she has no hitbox in phase
@Borkomora the husk has a hitbox
The bat form only video was strong and I feel like you laid out the case well but this is a great breakdown that really illustrates the problems.
2:27 I think you are also missing the part where if you vault into the spirit's husk you cant vault back so it really isn't a 50/50 if you know how to do that tech
It's nice to see a title that says "Why I THINK Dracula..." and not "DRACULA IS BETTER". That's an invite to debate and not a close-minded take. I would love to see a comparison between two mains on these killers, my money is on bat man
I feel they should buff Dracs recovery if he teleport to a vault/window in bat form and let the Drac player hold the button down if he was to auto exit his bat from when telepoting to make thing faster but reduce his recovery if he cancels it normally. This will change his bat form being a better spirit at most loops to being more of an anti window killer with his recovery buff it will reward the drac for his positioning and and punish a survivor for their bad positioning and survivors will have to be mindful of windows when looping a drac, is he going to use fire or a fast teleport.
Or they could just add what Venca has, if you exit bat form to close to the survivor you get pushed back.
Scott I’m working on something with 40 games I played back to back of 20 slugging and 20 hooking game and all the data from it all with true form Dracula (the big boi)… after 3 days of 8-10 hours of Dracula. I would say you are 100% correct about him being better than spirit it’s not even close. My main reason is the ability to shapeshift so fast. Going from Dracula on a survivor, hitting, transform to bat, ALWAYS chose dog when near a survivor and start pouncing. In many of the later games of the hook video you will see how power it can be. Hope u come check it out if any data u want to see is missing LMK I’ll add it.
I played drac on PTB and his dog form SUCKED it was so bad there was never a reason to use it
@ in live it’s very strong if u use it right
@ I uploaded the experiment on my channel if u want to see some gameplay there are compilations so it’s not like 4 hours
There's of course Spirit out of power being 4.4 m/s, while Dracula enjoys 4.6 out of batform, and gets haste orbs in wolf form. I'm hardly in vampire, it's mostly the animals, that lunge is suh-weet and the lower silhouette in 3rd person is so lovely, especially for my Unforeseen Devotion of Furtive Friends build
Ye the only true positive for spirit is that she comes out swinging, survs can somewhat play a non dropped pallet to stall Drac while spirit just hits you.
The question is then if Dracs extra mobility and ofc extra reach with the pillars, outweigh the immediate hit you would get out of phasing.
Slap on Medusa hair, teleport to their side and they always die with the hindered
@@mckookie2967 and when BHVR nerfs that addon into oblivion? What then?
@@thedoomslayer5863 Then the killer is still as strong as before, just with one less busted addon? What's your point? That killer get nerfed when they get nerfed??
Dracula is so rigged it's like playing 3 killers in 1 , teleport , dash , haste , range attack , what more can you give him
exit zones that injure you
Load in and just win
All of those things, but teleport where you're facing instead of just to vaults.
-A side object built into his ability (like the reverse bear traps or 3d printers.. to waste survivors time)
-exposed part to his kit where you can down people instantly
- summon an ai controlled unit
- place traps
Then I'd say he has almost all abilities at his disposal, and I'm honestly get sick of these type of killers.
Killers that have haste are a problem. Killers that trap and hinder(Hag and Skull) are a problem
Killers with 4 abilities are a problem
@@MidnightSlasherVecna is fine imo
Hi Scott, I'd like to add that at the moment, spirit can go right next to a pallet, start phase, and if you vault the pallet you get stuck inside the husk with no way to re-vault or move out of the way, so it's a guaranteed hit at fillers unless you walk away and she doesn't notice/have cherry blossom.
I would rather play against Dracula all day over one match against a Spirit.
u don't have headphones? spirit feels way easier with the directional phase especially if u use otr or iron will
@mckookie2967 I do. I still prefer playing against Dracula. Spirit is boring to play against.
same, i absolutely despise spirit
id take dracula over her any situation
@@TheKrueger1428 Damn, i like vsing both but I also play a lot of both. Vsing Spirit seems much easier to me with the directional audio. I found Drac annoying cos of Hellfire but u just have to change course when u see his fire hand light up.
@@mckookie2967you asume someone has Iron Will.. and even then Genetic Limits exist.
I don't disagree that Dracula is better than spirit. I think you're high when comparing the two like threw are the same kind of killer. He's closer to vecna than he is spirit. Trickster and huntress are closer in comparison than drac and spirit.
Vecna has giant cooldowns on his power, can't use fly indefinetely, can be easily juked at windows with it too, and can overall be ignored most of the time if you just know how to play against him. Dracula is nothing alike, the only thing they have in common is a "multi-task" kind of power, otherwise their power are nothing like each other. And the point everyone is talking about is how good bats are, wich is the point of comparison since it's THIS great.
@jeanmarc6517 I'm not saying it's not powerful, I'm saying to directly compare the two as the same is stupid. Because they are not the same.
@@StephenBraudis But what would the point of comparing 2 things that are exactly the same??
@jeanmarc6517 Well, they don't have to be exactly the same. But at least be in the same neighborhood. Like trickster and huntress. Or nemi and pyramid head would be close too. Spirit and Dracula bat is not close. They have similarities but are entirely different powers not to be compared.
It'll have been the standard time frame for them to nerf an OP killer. That's the BHVR business model: Make them a lil OP out the gate, get the sales, then nerf. It's horrible and sucks for anyone not BHVR, but business is business.
Brings the point that spirit is invisible and dracula is not.
Drops it and doesn't elaborate further
Exactly and that is the most vital point, just wraith tech him. Vault so much he will get confused, with his cooldown that is 50/50 TOPS.
In bat form you can also follow a survivor vaulting from elevation. During the drop down you can turn back to Dracula and land before the survivor for a free hit 😂
I think there's a healthy conversation to be had here. I'm pretty disappointed that some of the twitter Dracula players just make fun of it or quickly jumped to the "Scott is racist" card for some reason.
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@@ScottJund pp drawing = predropped pallet drawing
What the hell were you thinking?
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@@ScottJund i think you missed something crucial. Spirit can break pallets, zone and then phase-walk between loops. With MDR ring and Dried blossom, spirit's almost guaranteed the hit on every usage of her power. dracula isn't guaranteed anything. The way you handle 2nd example with dracula when you break pallet is that you fly over, break pallet ->change into wolf form and then use pounce between loop because it's ranged attack. its worse then wesker's ranged attack but it is still ranged lunge.
Spirit is also better in window/pallet situation but the way dracula fixes his bat form problem at shack is hellfire which you mention. that is why i said that Dracula == spirit because he uses his M2 powers to be as good as her at loops or between loops. He's m2 spirit.
Spirit is still considered 3rd or 4th best because none of others kill received significant buffs. Killer just got nerfed but nothing replaced them. there is just no killer that arguably replaces spirit's capacities. As for why nothing been replaced? Because she was consider too good so why they buff something to be as good as old spirit? They wouldn't. Chase-wise, There's only Nurse, Chucky and Spirit that have as good chases as Dracula and what a surprise, they're best killers. Blight was only other killer to come close but he got close because of Hug tech which got nerfed and powerful add-on like.... C33 breaking pallets in 1.5 seconds and Infinity rushes. It just goes to show that in order make other killers that don't have good powers, you need create exploits and insanely busted add-on for them to even remote compete vs best chasing killers. that is how far nurse chucky and spirit are compare to the rest. Dracula's just joined Spirit tier. you can say he is #4 or #3. they're kinda the same.
@@ScottJund i cant i live in america
Dracula would have definitely tunnel, slug, hit on hook, and mori you for these videos you been posting about him. All jokes aside I’m still going to play him after his nerf so I really don’t care.
Dracula is imo better overall. Also a good spirit struggles much more high MMR and full Iron will, you really have to be a Top tier one if a kind spirit, to do what Dracula can do. Also id say batform into normal almost 8/10 is a free hit
On your first point towards Spirit it’s also important to mention that Drac can teleport to the pallet and hinder the survivor. Idk about all cases but on weaker loops the hider should be strong enough to get a hit
eventually bhvr is gonna run out of things they can do for killer powers and everything they make will just be jigsaw puzzles of other killer powers since the game is essentially identical to release in your goals and tools for both sides
What I heard: Dracula is better than Spirit
What I’m choosing to hear: Spirit is weak therefore needs a buff! Thank you Scott I’m glad we can agree on this 🤝
I think another point you miss is the stirring. Bat form moves side to side while flying which makes her harder to control and easier to get stuck on things than spirit.
The thing is the bat is louder not invisible and stunnable unlike the spirit.They could add a bigger transition time and the ability to hear as bat better.The corrext aproach would be to make the bat more of a distance covering tool.
Spirit can be stunned while phasing actually.
I think people are wrongfully comparing Dracula to spirit just because they both can’t see you but it’s more fair to compare him to wraith. Fast speed, meant to play a supportive role, perfectly visible just tricky to see and can’t instantly hit you out of that form
i think once people actually get used to people playing dracula effectively it might be harder to get results. people have been used to going against spirit for several years and it's much rarer to go against an unskilled spirit than it is to run into a skilled spirit. right now, it's extremely common to run into very unskilled draculas or just people going for adept because he's new; and while true in a vacuum there are the tiny differences that put dracula on top, i feel like the in-practice situations are going to over time favor dracula less over spirit just by people getting used to going against it.
I kinda feel like they accidentally set footstep volume to 50% instead of a 50% increase up to 150%
Wolf is great and should be used in L wall loops, and in chase. I only use the shapeshift speed addon and the cool down addon as its really all thats needed. You can almost chain hell fire into wolf or hell fire into bat etc. Also makes his shape shift that much more smoother. Hopefully can catch scott live at some point to give more info or plays surrounding Dracula. Also am on Twitch myself Tuesdays and am A Dracula main have been since he came out as Castlevania is one of my favorite series (games).
i thought the thumbnail was a poorly drawn molecule for a second
Both chucky and dracula competing for spirit's spot
I don't think Chucky ever competes at Spirit's caliber, because his Map control is so bad and he's 110 and his stealth is limited out a timer and it's not as good as some people think imo, so I think Chucky is overrated
Yapping. Spirit is better than drac. Spirit but u do it in place to get a free coup de grace is OP! (trust me bro) Can bat form grab people off of generators........ yeah i didnt think so.
If they nerf Medusa's Hair I hope the fix the Sunglasses.
One extra pillar, but you take longer to charge and since you're slow while doing so the surv gets more distance before you fire, which makes this add-on COMPLETELY USELESS.
Here goes Scott "Belmont" Jund ranting again about dracula
I feel like they could extend the time before you can transform back a little, and in exchange maybe increase the teleport range for windows/pallets.
Like a cloaked wraith u can spam vault against bat form so they can't break pallet, which means u can't get a hit
A lot of copium in the comments I see
if they would just make the cooldown on a pillar of flame a little bit longer, and the change time out of batform he would be solid and fun to play against.
The only people who don't think Dracula is insanely good are the people who play Dracula and don't want him to receive a small nerf .
So what? Killers are meant to be able to compete with 4 survivors
I'm a survivor main and I think he's meh.
Hes good but only insane with Medusa hair. without that add on if anyone is struggling it's usually skill issue
@@TheKrueger1428you mustn’t’ve played against a good dracula yet, cause he’s literally just spyramid weskergorgon
@@qoughitup I've played against quite a few good ones. At least it's interesting. Spirit is boring af
If you asked me, I would personally say Spirit is merely the 7th best killer in the game right now. My top 7 in order are Nurse, Blight, Billy, Artist (Yep!), Chucky, Dracula, then Spirit.
Give us the rest of the ranking please 🥺
A good spirit is better than good dracula bcuz spirit chases are short dracula power is hellfire dodge predrop hold w works against him against spirit esp a good one its not gonna work
Wolf and hellfire are both strong chase powers. Bat form is less consistent than phase but he has 2 other chase powers.
@lapizcata6930 they're strong not saying they're not but their counter is dodge so it's not consistent
Spirit can't teleport. Wolf lunge > blind Spirit lunge, that wolf can sneak in all kinds of hits, it's glorious. Wolf also 4.6 m/s with haste orbs dropping compared to Spirit's 4.4, but can transform to a bat on a whim. Did I mention he teleports?
🗣🗣DRACULA CAN BE SEEN, THE SPIRIT CAN NOT BE SEEN🗣🗣
you should do videos about correct plays and counterplays surv/killer for every scenario. you explain well, that would be fun to watch and we can learn
His ability to use the batform mid chase is so broken in top of all his other powers. You get hit and then 1 second later hes on your ass again.
I Don't know what your smokin but i want some
dracula can shoot fire through the window at shack and get the down pretty easily even when shack pallet is down
Another post from Scott Belmont
Run thwack and ta-da! free tracking using the pallet break!
I wouldn’t say bat form is stronger than spirit phase but it’s comparable and he has 2 other powers.
Why is Spirit so high up? Because I have hearing damage, and legit can't hear where she is at. So that kinda makes her impossible to play against. I have 0 issues tracking Survivors as Killer without perfect audio (in 99% of circumstances), but Spirit is a 'HAHA you're disabled' spit in my face.
Why i think Dracula is slightly better than spirit
Common sense
Last time I checked Stridor wasn't working either. It makes survivors with iron will like 10% louder.
Well iron will makes you 100% quiet so what’s your point? Stridor is multiplicative, 1.5*0 is still 0 genius
@@twoshu8940 Stridor is additive now it brings them back up to 50%
I see someone doesn't read the patch notes 👀
Dracula only in bat form is worse at a pallet than spirit, yes, but Dracula as a whole is better, cause he can Hellfire across the pallet to hit them.
Edit: Typo
I think they are on par with each other it just depends on the addons
Be more specific, please
We know it's you alucard..
hey scott guys here, hope ur good
Jesus with the shower thoughts
Are we talking base kit or with Medusa hair? with that add on I think he blows her out the water cos he gets triple bleach flask with the bat
I don't entirely agree with you, but dammit I hope you convince the devs to rework Dracula. That would be hilarious.
FarmerJohn is very big on Dracula, he could help
I'm pretty new to 2024 DBD cuz I was on console and they ruined the game and made it unplayable on console so I haven't played in a long ass time but it just kinda seems to me that Dracula would need a nerf right? Like I know the Lich has like 4 powers but aren't people complaining about that too? Just kinda seems these killers with a ton of abilities would nerfs but I haven't played in a while especially not survivor so I'm not sure how they're balanced or not
Vecna is kind of hard to play and all of his abilities have clear counterplay through simple game knowledge or survivor magic items. Dracula just is. He has those things, and there's no counter items or interactions beyond running away or hiding
hey scott, guys here
Why would I ever touch either Spirit or Dracula when Bubba exists?
Cause spirit is like 300 pounds skinnier than him
just for spirit being able to come out with not only a speed boost but also being able to m1 instantly, JUST that makes spirit much better
Yeah but dracula is way easier to use, has powers on top of bat form, and barely any downtime between power uses, unlike spirit
did you not watch the video though he literally explained how dracula can do something similar that takes just a little bit longer and its easier
@@j-money753 Pinhead is kinda hard to play and his ability is simular to Nurse (how it's works mechanically and how hard it is), but he is not ever near if compare him with Nurse.
@@Kairiyourhomie she can’t phase through a window, she can’t break things while phasing, and she doesn’t have 2 other entire powers
@ being able to use your power in every single loop is much better than phasing thru windows lol, his 2 other powers are chase oriented and bat is 100% for mobility, it’s only decent in god loops like main buildings
I hope Kaiser sees this video as Kaiser think it’s such a good change to make Dracula be able to see player in bat bc of his disability
I have a disability too I got adhd n add how about remove doctors illusions as it messes with my attention span n I may think that he teleported
NERF DRACULA CAUSE SCOTT SAID SO
Its 2 am scott let me sleep
Then sleep
Honestly, not only is he a better spirit, he is just a poorly designed killer in my opinion. Why do you get to be the spirit, nemesis, and wesker all at once? Why does the wolf have basic attacks that count towards stbfl? It's really janky and uncreative imo. That hellfire is even included is completely unnecessary and I think it removes any originality dracula would've had. I would play dracula if his power was better thought out and more cohesive. I really think they need to rework him all together, or make his different powers significantly weaker.
When you say you think he's only like one or two places on a tier list better, do you mean bat form only or Dracula as a whole?
Very first example drac is just gonna pillar of fire you, dude is just busted
Pillar of fire is telegraphed though. If you make your movement obvious then yes he will hit you. Toss it up a bit. Not to mention he slows when you charge the power up and when you see that just move out of range and onto the next loop. His slowdown hurts much more than you might think and that balances it out.
If we are gonna nerf him to satisfy the potato players, then hit the add ons. Hit the teleportation and transformation add ons to add a slight delay. Make it so Medusa hair doesn't hinder as much. Do not touch his base.
@@CaptToiletMedusa hair is the only thing making him better than Spirit
@@CaptToilet u can easily catch people vaulting with it or cancel it if they fake, what are u talking about
@@DopeDevastation Don't tell that to the survivors who I faked out and yet they still made it to a window or pallet because of the movement penalty and attack delay. You know how to play and you can counter it no issues. Don't worry though, Dracula will be tuned to cater to potato players so none of this will matter soon.
@@CaptToiletit's not telegraphed, it's literally a guessing game..if you guess right you get a few seconds, if you guess wrong he wins the chase
have we changed our tune about wolf form all of a sudden? I thought wolf form was bad?
why am i not surprised something is bugged. BHVR have slowly been screwing up the sound in this game for years. Why not add another bug to the mix.
Easy. Dracula can hit you on the other side of a dropped pallet. Dracula is better for that one small reason.
Thanks for attending my Ted talk.
I like how you went straight to the point.
Bravo!
Why I'm trying to get dracula nerfed...
Nothing compares to double speed add-on spirit. Nothing at all.
Spirit can't do anything about dropped safe pallets. Medusa hair Drac can literally teleport to their side and get a guaranteed free hit almost always with 15% hindered
i mean, after she uses the phase she has no power for 15 seconds.. and if she fucks up her phase once then gg the chase is pretty much over
@@burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761 A good spirit don’t fk up their phases. Do you know how fast she moves while using it? You pretty much don’t waste much charges because it moves fast asf around loops.
@@mckookie2967 Yes she can. You either go around it or break the pallet simple.
@@STARLEYMAYHEM Surivior can hear you going around the pallet, you break it and they hold W to the next loop, simple. Meanwhile Dracula can just teleport to the other side, body block the attempt to vault back and with Medusa hair add on especially, can just hit the survivor who tries to W away. Huge difference.
I’ve felt spirit is ass for a while tbh. Never felt she was that good, aside from the insane addon combo, but base/brown addon spirit. Dracula smokes her imo
Nawwww I don’t suck my teeth when I see a Dracula
Spirit I kinda have that same mentality when a nurse or blight comes in like dam I have to play serious 1:16
he's far better than spirit
First just tell us how strong you think Spirit is at her peak and how strong she is generally, like you think she better then wesker? You think she better then plague? We don't understand if you think Dracula is like top 5 killers and like S tier, because most people don't think so. They think he is more like B tier and kinda bad.
I'd say it goes Nurse Blight Twins Artist Chucky Dracula Spirit Wesker. Chucky im not sure about tbh
@@ScottJundWhere's Billy dho? And Twins at three is kinda crazy, no? Ok I just saw the twins buff (6 months ago, am not late) I didn't know they buffed them that crazy
@premiumtyrepremiumtyre1188 twins have always been really good, the only thing holding them back was the clunkiness, bugs and being boring to play
@@ScottJundU think Artist is better than Unknown? it's easier to get birds off you than the pepto and Unknown has way better map control and can deal with elevation better
@@mckookie2967 Arist has a lot of "get hit or get hit" situations and has A LOT of perk synergy (especially the newly buffed DMS)
but is Dracula better than Chucky? I feel their counterplay are the exact same
Drac has map pressure chucky only has chase
He is
@lapizcata6930 yep and chucky stuffer from predrop hold w
@@lapizcata6930chuckys map pressure comes from his chase
@@witchazeIfr his cooldown is insane. And if hes good.. well you ain't gonna last long unless you got a god loop
Looking at the thumbnail this looks like a quantum mechanics video, like he drew the sigma bonds of a molecule or something and drew the S. I straight up though he was about to teach.
If you thought it was about quantum mechanics, you have no clue what quantum mechanics even is...
Stop pretending you're smart online; We can tell you're not.
@@dakota9821calm down bro 🤣
Heres hoping Spirit gets the Chucky treatment and they cut her cooldown so you can be in power more.
Maybe by 2 or 3 Seconds anything more is overkill
that thumbnail 👌
Mostly agree, but if you think Spirit isn't third best simply because she was nerfed repeatedly, you shouldn't think Nurse is the best by that logic either
Nurse > Billy > Blight > Artist > Singularity> Dracula > Spirit > Huntress
This is rage bait.
4:30 *laughs in Alert User*
Wow Scott this video is so nerdy you may as call it “Dorkula is better than Spirit”
Killer mains shameless
Can we stop comparing Dracula to Spirit? It's exhausting and starting to make less and less sense
He has so many tools, I'm really not sure what they were thinking when they cooked up a killer that has the ability to have all the abilities. 😅
Why I think you are slightly incorrect about this whole Dracula Spirit thing...
Buh.
Hehe, balls in thumbnail
dracula powercrept af
dracula is annoying to go against, video end