HP 3325A Bonus Material: Fractional-N Frequency Synthesis for Dummies

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  • @dustysparks
    @dustysparks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    You could say, the HP was originally... incapacitated.

    • @dustysparks
      @dustysparks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ...I'll see myself out.

  • @electronash
    @electronash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This video explains in only 8 minutes what it took my college tutor to explain in 8 lessons. lol
    Really enjoying these educational vids. Keep up the good work.

  • @maksymkloka7819
    @maksymkloka7819 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OMG! I can't find an amazing video I saw on how fractional N divide circuits work. Nothing comes even close.

  • @jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171
    @jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Something awful must have happened at HP. They don’t make RPN calculators anymore. Their version of my printer’s toner cartridge doesn’t work. And they just don’t make gear like that anymore, nor do they publish any operator’s manual that doubles as a service manual and does so in an illustrious 500 or so pages with quite some painstaking detail. No wonder why I feel so overwhelmed all the time! Thanks for a great PLL lesson!!

  • @NinerFourWhiskey
    @NinerFourWhiskey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have to admire the kind of engineering that went into this. I've built mostly consumer products in my career, with lots of marketing input. I have to wonder what the meetings were like back in the day that this was designed.

  • @stephendavies923
    @stephendavies923 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You managed to make me realise just how much I had forgotten since my time in electronics in the 80's. Thanks for helping me relearn again.

  • @geo48geo48
    @geo48geo48 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A PLL, who don‘t wobbeling with a high factors like 300 and 400 is great! You need a very stabile VCO.

  • @davidkilpatrick1640
    @davidkilpatrick1640 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video and clear explanation, thanks Marc!

  • @AlanMimms
    @AlanMimms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautifully simple explanation of an elegant concept. Thanks Marc.

  • @jagardina
    @jagardina 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks, you made that surprisingly easy to understand.

  • @MVVblog
    @MVVblog 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Simple and clear!

  • @dentakuweb
    @dentakuweb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was explained very well. I've always found PLLs to be such an elegant circuit. In the music/synthesizer world, VCOs are considered finicky things but it's nice that they can be useful even in very accurate test equipment.
    You've inspired my to see if I can build something like a basic a PLL with an XOR, a lowpass filter and a basic VCO.

  • @leozendo3500
    @leozendo3500 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best PLL explanation.

  • @davedrezTV
    @davedrezTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic! - I love the storytelling, with the twist at the end... simply a bad capacitor... who would have guessed? Thanks for all the great videos and information. You work so hard for our entertainment and education.

    • @MoraFermi
      @MoraFermi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      . . . Anybody watching Mr. Carlson's Lab with any regularity? :-)

  • @AdrianChallinor
    @AdrianChallinor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is fascinating. It takes me back to computing and electronics at university 77-80! I had forgotten all my PLL stuff, but that was a great explanation. Thank you.

  • @va3dxv
    @va3dxv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting! I picked up one of these a couple years ago, super cheap. I didn't think they were that highly regarded. Thanks for the great info!

  • @admirerofclassicalelectron2858
    @admirerofclassicalelectron2858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video was highly useful for me. And entertaining, too. Thanks!

  • @chriholt
    @chriholt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the clear explanation!

  • @glenwoofit
    @glenwoofit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation, Thanks.

  • @chrissavage5966
    @chrissavage5966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You'd enjoy the synthesis of colour subcarrier frequency (4.43361875MHz) from the centrally generated 'Natlock' reference signal that the BBC used to use....... I recall having to work it out for an exam many years ago. Sadly, age being what it is, I now have no clue!! :) I can recall it had a large a complicated selection of dividers and PLLs. The idea was that you ended up with every contributing regional broadcast centre running with the same, locked, colour subcarrier. It meant you could put sources from all over on your mixer and just needed to do a simple phase shift to get them all timed up. Way back in the analogue days.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s really interesting! I suppose the economies of scale made that cheaper than genlock circuitry for the colour carrier in every studio?

  • @grlg2
    @grlg2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very Interesting! This is why I love this channel. Cheers.

  • @_a.z
    @_a.z 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great subject!

  • @DanielPalmans
    @DanielPalmans 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Marc I love all your video!!

  • @0MoTheG
    @0MoTheG 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had this on my bench for years.
    The only time it broke it was the power contact in the back that had oxidized and then burned out.

  • @missamo80
    @missamo80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Being posted on April 1st with that video thumbnail I had to do a double-take and make sure this wasn't a gag :)

    • @gcewing
      @gcewing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's a meta-april-fool -- makes you think it's april foolery when it's not!

  • @skfalpink123
    @skfalpink123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I wonder how much of this wonderful HP equipment has ended up being scrapped for looking too much like “old school”?

    • @ElectricEvan
      @ElectricEvan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      my lab director threw out 3 or 4 of them before I caught up with him. the remaining 4 were split up among the engineers so we each have at least one at home now.

    • @hoofie2002
      @hoofie2002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A criminal amount unfortunately.

  • @Nottsboy24
    @Nottsboy24 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting upload 👓🎓🔬🔭

  • @DAVIDGREGORYKERR
    @DAVIDGREGORYKERR 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the MC145106 does exactly that.

  • @dgaborus
    @dgaborus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    HP 3335A has exactly the same technique, and has a detailed description in the service manuals.

  • @video99couk
    @video99couk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's when you mentioned the Pulse Remover Circuit that I realised it was an April Fool's Joke. It was, wasn't it? I mean, nothing could be this complicated!

    • @CuriousMarc
      @CuriousMarc  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No April fool here, this is actually how it works!

    • @video99couk
      @video99couk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CuriousMarc I know, I was just being silly. It is an extraordinarily complicated piece of kit and I just thought the Pulse Remover Circuit seemed like a strange solution, but I'm sure it all makes sense if you drill down into the deepest detail.

  • @km5405
    @km5405 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    wait you have a extra channel with extra gems of knowledge?

  • @MatthijsvanDuin
    @MatthijsvanDuin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:30 Hmm, if my math is right the DC component of the output of a mixer whose inputs have the same frequency is proportional to the cosine of their phase difference, which seems problematic for locking on since it just gives you the absolute error rather than the signed error, hence you wouldn't know which way to correct. Am I missing something?

    • @MatthijsvanDuin
      @MatthijsvanDuin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      oh duh, you lock them 90 degrees out of phase

  • @nophead
    @nophead 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be nice to recreate this with a GPSDO and an FPGA.

  • @ivanpopovic504
    @ivanpopovic504 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HP back in the day made great instruments with some of the worst possible power supplies. Arguably the worst of the worst power supplies HP ever made was the one in 3325A. Also have to say for 12 yrs. in using and repairing HP, 95% of fails were in power supplies. :(

  • @MLGJuggernautgaming
    @MLGJuggernautgaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep the elevator music explanations coming

  • @lloydtshare
    @lloydtshare 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool thanks, but what would use it for?

    • @dustysparks
      @dustysparks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Producing very precise frequency signals, mainly for testing and calibrating other equipment, rarely as a thing you need on its own (at least at the price point this piece would retail at).

    • @Digital-Dan
      @Digital-Dan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I used it as a quick and dirty hearing test at the end. It almost reached the pitch of my tinnitus. :-)

  • @tehlaser
    @tehlaser 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nifty

  • @pulesjet
    @pulesjet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dang, Real Brain Food. Just using Heterodyning to generate the higher frequencies.

  • @twobob
    @twobob 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love you but you drew a high pass filter. Assuming LTR interpretation is a given. That must have been the Vc graph and I missed it ;)

  • @smilingdog2219
    @smilingdog2219 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are the practical applications for Frequency Synthesizer?

    • @CuriousMarc
      @CuriousMarc  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very important circuit in modern RF. It allows you to generate a digitally controlled, arbitrary tunable reference frequency from a single quartz crystal. You have one in every radio, WiFi, cell phone, etc…

  • @ronvanwegen
    @ronvanwegen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm afraid I missed the last part of the video as I accidentally got off at Ladies Lingerie.

  • @Joemama555
    @Joemama555 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its really hard to watch anything technical on April Fool's day that you don't already know about....

  • @ReneSchickbauer
    @ReneSchickbauer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good explanation. Thank you!