UPDATE: During the last tier I mention a lost room tour video, the video was taken sometime in 2012 or 2013 and the video has been lost since. UNTIL January 2024, the video has been found and reuploaded. Here is a link! th-cam.com/video/xlJTrSlKig4/w-d-xo.html
The Sly games were such a big part of my child hood. Growing up on Sony I played all the mascot games, and the Sly games always stuck out to me. The cast of characters are amazing, the music is sexy and suave, and not to mention the gameplay was simple yet fun. What a great series man. Im so mad we never got a Sly 5 or at least a new gen remaster of the trilogy
Yeah a full new game for the PS5 needs to happen, but I don't know what will convince Sony to do it since it's been in the cold vault for years. Plus they consider that game series to be a mediocre failure commercially, from what I've researched. Inspite of massive fan push to get a new one made, myself included on wanting one.
@@shcdemolisher I'm sure they'll release another, but i would imagine it'll be a lot different than what we know Sly to be, and definitely will happen when we least expect it.
I wanna point out that the hair glitch is a result of Sly having an idle animation where he takes his hat off and that, for some reason, translates to his binocucom portrait as well
Sly Fan Theory: Sly Cooper is actually Slytunkhamen or Slytunkhamen II. At the end of Sly 4, Sly gets abandoned in Egypt. Without being rescued, it is theorized that Sly becomes Slytunkhamen or Slytunkhamen II, setting forth the events of the creation of the Thievious Racoonus & the Cooper Vault. And it'd make sense about Sly knowing how to use the Shadow Power Thief Technique to go invisible, because he learned how to do that in Sly 1. They also look strikingly similar. Sly was already a master thief by the end of Sly 4, and it'd make sense that Sly would've created the Thievious Racoonus to maintain his family's legacy. It also makes sense that Sly could've created The Cooper Vault to preserve the legacy of every Cooper's Fortune.
*points to **48:35* THAT'S ME WHAAAT. My friend messaged me to tell me I was mentioned in this and I'm SHOOK. I'm glad you thought my goofy lil fanfic was neat! It was a pretty fun passion project!
This is currently my favorite video. As a fan of the franchise since 2005 (when I got the first game for Christmas as a 4 year old and became OBSESSED; don't even get me started on how I reacted when I finally learned how to read and found that little thevius raccoonus game manual with hints at the 2nd game), I genuinely thought I knew most all there was to know. And yet now as I watch this, I'm not only surprised but absolutely ECSTATIC to find that there's even more to know about the franchise I grew up with. This video freaking rocks. It's so rare to find any iceberg videos with as much obscure information as this one, this is seriously awesome work
Anybody wanna hear a sneaky little theory-that's-most-likely-a-fact? I have a very strong suspicion that the reason Carmelita's belly dance sequence exists is because the writer(s) most likely stumbled upon Sly 4: Cane of Destiny -- a fanfic outline written way back in 2009 in gamefaq. The fan fic in question covered what a Sly 4 might look like, and was EXTREMELY DETAILED, down to dialogue, job descriptions, and heist sequences. It was damn near like reading a novelization of a Sly game. The first level had a previously unknown Cooper Ancestor who was a magician, and could turn invisible using his cloak. It also introduced a gunslinging motorcycle-riding wolf character that acted as Carmelita's partner / superior, and had a resurrected Neyla (who used ice powers), Panda King and Jing King join the gang. Where the fanfic ended was in the second chapter, in the middle of the Arabian episode, where the VERY LAST THING written was about how in order to infiltrate a palace, Carmelita, Jing, and Neyla had to don belly dancer outfits (described almost exactly as shown during the slideshow prior to the heist in Thieves in Time). I am convinced that someone in Sanzaru stumbled upon that forum and took that scene and added it into Thieves in Time. The forum thread is still up as of me writing. Google "Sly 4 Cane of Destiny" and it'll be among the top 3
While it's kind of a bummer a lot of interesting entries don't have footage, it surprised me that something was actually new to me. I'm a long time fan of the Cooper Gang, and I seriously thought I knew almost everything about it! Great iceberg!
Ah yeah, I grew up with this game. I remember my two brothers and I got the 2nd one a year or so after it came out and played it religiously. And then we rented 3 and played it like 2 days straight. These days i like playing through the trilogy every few years but I'm not too big into the 4th game.
@@acgearsandarms1343 Said ESRB standards change mate on a constant basis based on whatever "controversy" or "hot topic" is going on at the time Remember mate the ESRB is fully owned / sponsored by the gaming mafia a.k.a Entertainment Software Association made up entirely of all the ceos / presidents of the multi billion publishers hence anything shady is downplayed or diverted away from them Dead Or Alive thousands in monetization ESRB it's optional, legal gambling to minors ESRB in game purchases label, so on and so on
I'm assuming it was cut because laws concerning gambling stuff changed between the OG release and HD release. Mesa City is probably allowed, because you never see any actual gambling being done.
Making a nightmare level with Sly made all the sense in the world because Sly literally WITNESSED HIS PARENTS BEING KILLED IN A (most likely) BRUTAL WAY, that had to cause some trauma or mental toll in him, it's impossible to witnessed something like that and be mentally ok after it, the trilogy missed a good oportunity to expand on that, Sanzaru had a good chance to do something with it but for whatever reason they didn't pulled the plug
Technical fact about the movie. It was discovered that the trailer for it was actually a pitch Rainmaker submitted to Sony, and they repackaged it as a movie trailer. The film wasn't even in production when 2016 came around.
15:31 actually the objective isn't to last as long as you can, the hacking game actually has a boss fight in the end Edit: I also wanna share that in the Finnish dub of Sly 3 Tsao says "she's a woman, she doesn't get to have opinions" as his sexist line💀
Here are some things you didn’t talk about that could be worth mentioning in an iceberg video: - The Cooper ancestors are named after Sucker Punch employees - The password is: Chetkido - Sly 3 advertisement on Xmas bus - The Diamond of Tuxmal - Sly Cooper: To Catch a Thief - Sly Cooper manga - Sly 4 has no Japanese release - Moo Goo
Just want to point out for the “Believe you me” dialogue, that is a real English phrase, so Muggshott’s voice actor just ad libbed that part of the line and the subtitles weren’t updated to match.
So, here I am at 3:10 AM, just watched an hour and a half Iceberg video of my favorite video game franchise in the world, and I don't regret one second of it. Sly Cooper is one of the most important video game franchises of all time for me, and even if I don't own all the games or merch (or anything like what slycooperrocks101 had 😅), I still loved this Iceberg and am so happy to see that Sly got justice with a Iceberg video of his own. Thank you so much for making this, you definitely earned a sub! BTW, I discovered this shark at 1:38:52 in around 2017 and was absolutely amazed and surprised that no one had posted about it on TH-cam but one guy. I hoped to make a video of my own someday and show this shark and get lots of attention, but I'm happier that it got mentioned on this Iceberg.
I'm so glad you added the fruitcake thing omg. I remember pointing that out to my dad just to confirm that was messed up (he agreed) and I was waiting for you to mention it the whole time
I think the Transylvania level with the bat (whose name was Dr. Mortimor, by the way) is actually from a scrapped game called Network of Thieves originally in development in 2008. I’ve been told it got shelved when Sanzaru started working on what eventually became Sly 4, and it never got recalled.
Great video, love sly cooper and love iceberg videos, very well produced, I just wish there was video footage of all of the entries. Keep up the great work!
Bro another very dark mission u didn't mention: Murray throwing guards at the boiling water pump to destroy it....the painful sounds the guards make traumatized me as a kid
@@necus64 is it in the France one? Episode one. I redid it the other day since I’ve got a ps3 but couldn’t understand what paskal was saying abt them making noises.
This is probly one of the longest Neester Videos i watched, worth every fucking second. This man has been a legend ever since i watched His First Video and im very glad i Stuck around ❤
My favorite Murray quotes “ I might be big…and not as smart as the other guys… but one thing I’m not is WEAK!” And “The seats gotta go back farther than this.” And finally “ no sly I am not going to help you with violence “
1:32:00 - It's not just the Loud House. One of the episodes of the first season of Jeff Goldblum's Disney+ show has two tracks from Thieves in Time: the aforementioned rooftop theme and the main theme. Looking further into it, it seemed these respective tracks were, intentionally or otherwise, bundled into what appears to be a royalty-free music pack that sound engineers and music mixers use for tv. I have yet to find the actual music pack but this is no coincidence.
When you remember Sly Cooper 1 is now on PS5, which has a controller with an integrated microphone. Which means if they bring the rest of the titles on PS5, we could potentially be able to call guards bitches, yet again!
I also found out that in the second part of the general tsao fight, I accidentally knocked him up instantly killed him, like the attack that kills the guards from behind (using triangle then square). Idk if this was pointed out yet or not, but very interesting! And i might’ve recorded it when I was playing the trilogy version of 3. EDIT: I killed him at half of his hp with the knockup attack, i can provide footage for you if this is intersting enough.
I may have somewhat of a theory regarding Dimitri's special intro mentioned at 47:20 So, I once played this demo of Sly 2 (possibly coupled with one of the Ratched & Clank games) and I remember it including the beginning heist from the game as well as this particular trailing mission, nothing else. After the beginning heist the game simply throws you straight into the trailing mission and all the context the demo provides is what Bentley says at the beginning of the mission. We don't get to see the chapter intro introducing Dimitri, so the first time he is shown is when he comes out of the boat. I think there are two (potentially overlapping) possibilities why Dimitri in particular has a special intro: 1) It was merely made with this demo in mind. Given how the player is just dropped into the mission without any other context, this was a way to showcase one of the game's villains for a demo player. And given how the main trio were introduced in a similar manner, it doesn't really look out of place since he _is_ pretty much as important character as them. 2) At the time of making the demo, the devs did intend to have a special intro for each of the bosses as well and they structured the trailing mission's cutscenes with that idea in mind. But for whatever reason, the idea was scrapped for the rest of them. Yet since the special intro was already made for Dimitri _and_ showcased in the demo, they decided to just keep it. Ever since I played the game and the demo, I had theorized 1) to be the reason for this oddly singular villain intro. But this video made me realize that this demo is probably not that well-known _or_ played for most other people to reach the same conclusion. I hope this gave some additional perspective for this.
As a kid born in 2002 and grew up with games, Sly being my fave franchise. Im more surprised at how much I already knew about this stuff due to me constantly playing the series over and over. Like how I would use the bouncy cheese as Carmalita in the Mugshot bossfight because it made the fight tediously easy too discover that little cutscene glitch. To remembering the old youtube videos of the guy doing edits for their own Sly 4 thieves in time. I could never forget that and if I recall correctly it included Bently jumping constantly to "If you wanna be my lover"? No clue but thanks for this retour down memory lane. I enjoyed the re-ride.
In sly 2 I was doing a mission to follow Neyla and I was tryna hit a guard and it hit Neyla and the screen said “job failed “ “Neyla doesent like getting hit anymore than you”
My nephew found the "Murray picking up the dynamite" thing out of nowhere, I been playing Sly Cooper for YEARS and never ever knew you could do that! Dude's a guru😄😄
1:31:09 Oh my god FINALLY someone mentions this!!! It has always bothered me since the second game that Sly NEVER mentions his mom!! Its always his dad which makes sense and he even mentions BOTH his parents died that night But WHY does he never bring her up otherwise?
I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but the 3D sections of Sly 3 are still in 3D on the PS3. The PS3 has 3D TV support, and if you have a 3D TV then those sections are in 3D!
1:24:26 because time travel is confusing he was only planned to be hung because Toothpick showed up, Clockwerk probably got him in the normal timeline when it was restored
I'm surprised the Penelope soft-lock glitch in 'Dead Men Tell No Tales' wasn't on here. In Dynamic Duo, when you free Penelope from Skull Keep and have to guide her out of the front windows to drop onto the main ground, if she slides onto a different piece of geometry and lands in a different spot, her model doesn't hit the trigger to continue the mission and will soft-lock you in the binocucom cutscene. This happens in all versions of Sly 3 as far as I know.
More entries I'd like to add: In Sly 3 you can glitch into most werehouses using Bently's remote camera bomb and spamming the graple. This can sometimes pass some narrow gaps, even the treasure room in the skull fort in episode 5. In the same episode while sailing and fighting other captains, it is possible to one-shot a captain with the triangle triangle X or 3triple triangle X with sly. this happened to me only once. something that maybe belong to the upper layers but Murry's triangle square move is almost an insta kill to anything, a stun and a kick. Panda King has only two playable missions, he too got a binocucom. Bently's sucking vortex bomb can be detonated mid air. this will cause the target to tuble as it shrink. (had lots of fun doing this on the plane's ramp in episode 3). In the presentation of bently for operation Moonfall, one slide will show Bently from Sly 2 using the mojo collector. Sly cant hit a flashligh guard with a triangle X move that has more than one triangle (guess they are too heavy.) and lastly a well known theory is circulating that the Clockwerck is a time guardian trying to destroy the Sly paradox which came to be since Sly ends in Egypt and become the first ancestor. (there is a video showing that the egyptian Sly in Sly 3 And in sly 1 are two different racoons as one is the 1st and the other is 3rd or 2nd or something like that) the Clockwerk got corrupted since each ancestor dies solves nothing because the only family memeber that should have died is Sly himself. one last thing that I cannot prove since my PS3 and PS2 arent working as intended- while playing as Dimitri and going to the surface if possible (like in episode 5) his bionocucum/ scuba diving goggles change a bit.
1:32:00 The Paris song was also used in a specific segment of a specific episode of a British TV show called Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway. It was uploaded onto TH-cam as "The Missing Crowd Jewels: Episode 1" and plays from 2:13. A number of tracks from the Sly 2 OST must be available for licensing.
15:06 I remember pressing random buttons and finding this as a kid, i was so excited to show my brother and that is how we found the series. It's a bit sad that newer generations likely won't experience finding something few people know about, considering the all info is on the internet. The plus side now obviously is you're less likley to miss out on something these days.
Btw the reason Sly's hat is misplaced during some of the binocucom cutscenes is because he has an idle animation where he leans on his cane and pushes his hat up.
One thing I never noticed anybody bring up is why in Sly 2, the Clockwerk parts just keep changing size throughout the game. In the animated cutscenes, the tail feathers, which in game were pretty massive next to Sly, were so tiny that Sly was able to hold them in his hand. Same with the eyes. Clockwerk's fully built body also changed size a couple times throughout the last episode as well. His body became MUCH larger when you landed on Clock-La during the last mission.
I was working on developing Sly Cooper 4 DLC for fun, incorporating the Egypt level & whatnot. While I'm currently focused on another game, I do hope to revisit the project in the future. Also #freeslyfromegypt
In regards to Bentley (Matt Olsen) saying ‘That’s a nice one.’ It was an older line but was overlooked when they were replacing with new audio. Matt wasn’t available to to record a new line due to attending a family members funeral which was in a different country. They were going to mix something out of what they already had but Matt wouldn’t sign to say he would allow them to do so (it wasn’t part of his original contract for them to remix his personal dialogue) Matt insisted he wasn’t trying to be difficult but wasn’t in the right mind frame to be signing anything that would allow them to use his voice recordings not as originally intended in the future.
43:28 Knowing its actually canon that Murray was drugged by the Contessa with hallucinogenic "spices" makes this even funnier. Murray has been chasing that purple dragon ever since. Yet another child actor ruined by drugs and alcohol. I hear Bentley staged an intervention 😔😔😔💔💔
OMG!! You mentioned slycooperrocks101!! I used to watch them all the time! I thought they were so cool. I dreamed of having their room 😂 Their videos forever live in my memories 🖤
I know it’s newer info but for anyone finding this now, 2CPhoenix has done an incredible breakdown of Sly 2 and one big thing they discover through exploration of pre-release stuff and interviews is that Sly 2 originally had a series of collectible loot paintings inside buildings. This explains a bunch of things on the iceberg like the room with no purpose in the nightclub, the briefcases above Dimitri’s office and the save vault door in the spice room.
0:53 this game was so good that i don't know anyone that has played the first game but most people at least remember the 2nd. I played through it dozens of times. It's one of my earliest memories even, with gran turismo 4 (the seattle circuit to be exact) was my 2nd memory (1st one is pooping my diaper in case someone was wondering, which you weren't but now you know)
Solid proof that views number and quality are not necessarily correlated because this is one of the best icebergs and only got 10k views which is a shame It deserves 100k+ like a lot of other
You forgot about the ending of Sly 2 and how the part where Clockwork lands in Paris was changed from the gang having to each go the center because they all landed in different places, to what it was at release to them standing all at the same place. There was also likely something else, maybe a fight or destruction, since a piece of scenery could be destroyed with some destruction animation for it. Plus there's a very rare chance where in Cairo where if you dive down on a certain table, the table will fling you up the map. Prob common but mega jumping into the safe house on episode 3. Plus the name changes for some loot between versions. Maybe also mention how sanzaru just removed behind the scenes and some trailers from sly 1+2 cuz they suck. Prob more I cant remember but this is what I feel like you missed.
1:30:24 Yes!! I remember that! I’m glad someone else finally mentioned that!! I remember watching that in 2007 and remember when the game was announced and remembering that TH-camr predict the future title!!! I remember his videos starting with the Link song: Link he come to town. Man 2007 feels like a lifetime ago, but I remember TH-cam and the internet from back then!!!
To be fair, Crash Bandicoot 4 writers actually had Coco explain that, when asked how many times she and Crash faced off against Dr.Cortex, it was twice. That meant that the recent "Fourth" Crash Bandicoot game COMPLETELY erased the rest of the Crash games after the first Crash trilogy games. At least from what I got anyways. So in the fans defense, they've considered Thieves in Time as "Non-canon", probably due to the Crash 4 "Confirming" that the rest of the Crash games were considered "Non-canon" by the staff that wrote that game. Not only that, but TiT was left on a cliffhanger, no actual ending and no plausibility that it'll ever be completed story-wise But again, that's what I thought.
I thought I was crazy! That Mz Ruby fight was so bad in the port, but I had no idea there was a legitimate reason for it. I just assumed it was harder than I remembered it being or something
Another thing about Panda King being first: Sly was originally going to learn the “climb” move from Panda King’s vault, but Sucker Punch made it to where he could climb things from the start and changed Panda King’s Thievius Raccoonus pages to contain a turret and a battering ram added to the Cooper Van.
He also heavily foreshadows what move he's about to do next during his boss fight, which is odd considering Sir Raleigh, Muggshot and Mz. Ruby don't do that; reinforcing that the Panda King was meant to be the first boss.
-i dont know who the hell sly cooper is- but OVER ONE AND A HALF HOURS OF NEESTER GAWD DAYUM and it appears the reason why i didnt know who sly cooper was is stated in the video. neat.
There is a glitch in Go West Young Raccoon (Sly 4) where standing on a ledge with Tennesee Kid Cooper and shooting his gun puts him in T-pose with his gun floating next to him.
Lots of good info here, I do however have one correction. 1:38:50 We do have something of an idea. Because her look for the TV series got leaked, and since they were following a more simplified movie design, we can guess just how much more detailed it would've been.
@@winnerdinger589The Artist was J. Splaz. He'd been posting online randomly after the official cancellation. I caught some of it back when he had a Twitter; both official and rejected arts. Of course since the project failed, I guess that means they're ALL rejected concept arts.
Carmelitas character was eviscerated in Sly4. The belly dance level would have fit perfectly in probably a different level tbh. Bro you can see her ribs too.
1:21:40 On the version of the Demo I had, it actually had the final voice actor for Murray reading these lines saying Bentley doesn't have to treat him like a child. I played the demo over and over as a kid until I could get the full game
1:16:50 That still won’t make sense, cause we literally saw at the end of Sly 3 that she still worked with Bentley to protect the Cooper Vault, TO PROTECT THE COOPER LEGACY!!! I will just think Sly 4 as the non-canon game, where character don’t act themselves, character assassinations and etc.
I want to add that the thing at 1:24:38 I wouldn’t say is accurate. Yeah he says he would’ve been hung, but the only reason he was at the jail was due to time shenanigans by Le Paradox and Toothpick. Which means we don’t know how Tennessee would’ve died in the true timeline of Sly Cooper.
okay im kind of suprised this didnt make it into the video but... the ending of sly 4 is supposed to imply a time loop where sly becomes slytenkahmen after being stuck in ancient egypt and then with his knowledge from the future creating the cooper vault and everything. it also lines up with how slytenkahmen is the only one of the ancestors that has sly in the name, like he made it up on the spot and then rolled with it. as far as i know, the only move from the thievius raccoonus that you have to purchase as a gadget in the later games is shadow power also how sly's cane was modified to split in two by Bentley in sly 2 matches the double canes that slytenkahmen is shown to have. there is a LOT of stuff with the story of sly 4 and sly 4 in general that i dont like, but the ending is actually a kind of clever way to tie it together i thought
I've thought of that theory too! Which effectively means that the cooper clan is stuck in a time loop for eternity, always looping back to start up with Sly as his own ancestor. Also kinda disturbing if you think about it from a cosmic standpoint.
UPDATE: During the last tier I mention a lost room tour video, the video was taken sometime in 2012 or 2013 and the video has been lost since. UNTIL January 2024, the video has been found and reuploaded. Here is a link! th-cam.com/video/xlJTrSlKig4/w-d-xo.html
So obnoxious
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Omggggg i remember seeing this!!
The Sly games were such a big part of my child hood. Growing up on Sony I played all the mascot games, and the Sly games always stuck out to me. The cast of characters are amazing, the music is sexy and suave, and not to mention the gameplay was simple yet fun. What a great series man. Im so mad we never got a Sly 5 or at least a new gen remaster of the trilogy
Yeah a full new game for the PS5 needs to happen, but I don't know what will convince Sony to do it since it's been in the cold vault for years. Plus they consider that game series to be a mediocre failure commercially, from what I've researched. Inspite of massive fan push to get a new one made, myself included on wanting one.
@@shcdemolisher I'm sure they'll release another, but i would imagine it'll be a lot different than what we know Sly to be, and definitely will happen when we least expect it.
Hey at least they re released sly 1 and sly 2 remaster on the current gen! Sly 2 is coming very soon apparently.
I wanna point out that the hair glitch is a result of Sly having an idle animation where he takes his hat off and that, for some reason, translates to his binocucom portrait as well
Not why it happens...
@@BR-ty3hx If you say so, but what I said has been my experience with it.
@@Steel_Bison you can't hit a job marker while in an idle animation...so that literally can't cause it
@@BR-ty3hx I wasn't referring to a job marker. There's binocucom conversations that go on for so long that Sly starts doing idle animations
@@Steel_Bison that's not what causes the hair glitch though.
The name “Conner” was actually confirmed in the Sly Collection Official Straregy Guide when the game (and book) first released in 2010.
Sly Fan Theory: Sly Cooper is actually Slytunkhamen or Slytunkhamen II.
At the end of Sly 4, Sly gets abandoned in Egypt. Without being rescued, it is theorized that Sly becomes Slytunkhamen or Slytunkhamen II, setting forth the events of the creation of the Thievious Racoonus & the Cooper Vault. And it'd make sense about Sly knowing how to use the Shadow Power Thief Technique to go invisible, because he learned how to do that in Sly 1.
They also look strikingly similar. Sly was already a master thief by the end of Sly 4, and it'd make sense that Sly would've created the Thievious Racoonus to maintain his family's legacy. It also makes sense that Sly could've created The Cooper Vault to preserve the legacy of every Cooper's Fortune.
Wouldn't that make Sly his own ancestor?
@@murrhurr4480 yuh, that's called a Paradox.
That a bootstrap paradox where did the invisibility power originate from
So what did Sly do to supposedly start the long standing grudge with Clockwerk?
Also gotta add the fact he wasn’t In Sly 4. This gotta be my fav theory
*points to **48:35* THAT'S ME WHAAAT. My friend messaged me to tell me I was mentioned in this and I'm SHOOK. I'm glad you thought my goofy lil fanfic was neat! It was a pretty fun passion project!
Good job :)
"There I am, Gary! There I am!"
This is currently my favorite video. As a fan of the franchise since 2005 (when I got the first game for Christmas as a 4 year old and became OBSESSED; don't even get me started on how I reacted when I finally learned how to read and found that little thevius raccoonus game manual with hints at the 2nd game), I genuinely thought I knew most all there was to know. And yet now as I watch this, I'm not only surprised but absolutely ECSTATIC to find that there's even more to know about the franchise I grew up with. This video freaking rocks. It's so rare to find any iceberg videos with as much obscure information as this one, this is seriously awesome work
Totally agree buddy
I’m shocked you didn’t talk about the arduous racing level from Sly 1, literally made me nearly give up the whole series. Awesome video nonetheless
You mean the Murray race thingy? Yea that was suffering
Its not too bad once you try it 15 times in a row c'mon
I beat it in one go on the PS5. Don’t worry I had a streneous time with that part growing up as well.
Anybody wanna hear a sneaky little theory-that's-most-likely-a-fact? I have a very strong suspicion that the reason Carmelita's belly dance sequence exists is because the writer(s) most likely stumbled upon Sly 4: Cane of Destiny -- a fanfic outline written way back in 2009 in gamefaq. The fan fic in question covered what a Sly 4 might look like, and was EXTREMELY DETAILED, down to dialogue, job descriptions, and heist sequences. It was damn near like reading a novelization of a Sly game. The first level had a previously unknown Cooper Ancestor who was a magician, and could turn invisible using his cloak. It also introduced a gunslinging motorcycle-riding wolf character that acted as Carmelita's partner / superior, and had a resurrected Neyla (who used ice powers), Panda King and Jing King join the gang. Where the fanfic ended was in the second chapter, in the middle of the Arabian episode, where the VERY LAST THING written was about how in order to infiltrate a palace, Carmelita, Jing, and Neyla had to don belly dancer outfits (described almost exactly as shown during the slideshow prior to the heist in Thieves in Time). I am convinced that someone in Sanzaru stumbled upon that forum and took that scene and added it into Thieves in Time.
The forum thread is still up as of me writing. Google "Sly 4 Cane of Destiny" and it'll be among the top 3
Ohhhh wow. I had ZERO idea that happened.
While it's kind of a bummer a lot of interesting entries don't have footage, it surprised me that something was actually new to me.
I'm a long time fan of the Cooper Gang, and I seriously thought I knew almost everything about it!
Great iceberg!
Ah yeah, I grew up with this game. I remember my two brothers and I got the 2nd one a year or so after it came out and played it religiously. And then we rented 3 and played it like 2 days straight. These days i like playing through the trilogy every few years but I'm not too big into the 4th game.
What do you mean the gambling scene was cut?! It's a game that revolves around stealing, and they draw the line at GAMBLING?!
Rating boards have weird standards
Then why did they allow Mesa City as a level in Sly 1? Their standards make no sense sometimes.
@@acgearsandarms1343 Said ESRB standards change mate on a constant basis based on whatever "controversy" or "hot topic" is going on at the time
Remember mate the ESRB is fully owned / sponsored by the gaming mafia a.k.a Entertainment Software Association made up entirely of all the ceos / presidents of the multi billion publishers hence anything shady is downplayed or diverted away from them
Dead Or Alive thousands in monetization ESRB it's optional, legal gambling to minors ESRB in game purchases label, so on and so on
@@acgearsandarms1343lol RIGHT AN ENTIRE CASINO !?
I'm assuming it was cut because laws concerning gambling stuff changed between the OG release and HD release. Mesa City is probably allowed, because you never see any actual gambling being done.
Making a nightmare level with Sly made all the sense in the world because Sly literally WITNESSED HIS PARENTS BEING KILLED IN A (most likely) BRUTAL WAY, that had to cause some trauma or mental toll in him, it's impossible to witnessed something like that and be mentally ok after it, the trilogy missed a good oportunity to expand on that, Sanzaru had a good chance to do something with it but for whatever reason they didn't pulled the plug
Technical fact about the movie. It was discovered that the trailer for it was actually a pitch Rainmaker submitted to Sony, and they repackaged it as a movie trailer. The film wasn't even in production when 2016 came around.
15:31 actually the objective isn't to last as long as you can, the hacking game actually has a boss fight in the end
Edit: I also wanna share that in the Finnish dub of Sly 3 Tsao says "she's a woman, she doesn't get to have opinions" as his sexist line💀
Holy shit that lines even worse!! XD
Honestly your best video to date
Its interesting, well edited, everything a good video needs
*Horseshoe subject*
"Kinda like a totem in Minecraft!"
*Eye twitches from everyone who ever played Crash Bandicoot...*
What about the floating heart thingies in Rayman Legends? They also act as a single-use shield for otherwise a character that dies in a single hit
Here are some things you didn’t talk about that could be worth mentioning in an iceberg video:
- The Cooper ancestors are named after Sucker Punch employees
- The password is: Chetkido
- Sly 3 advertisement on Xmas bus
- The Diamond of Tuxmal
- Sly Cooper: To Catch a Thief
- Sly Cooper manga
- Sly 4 has no Japanese release
- Moo Goo
Can you explain on these
i love iceberg videos totally happy you did one! thank you for asking me to do some art for you >:3
@CibRubber no
Just want to point out for the “Believe you me” dialogue, that is a real English phrase, so Muggshott’s voice actor just ad libbed that part of the line and the subtitles weren’t updated to match.
ALMOST 2 HOURS OF NEESTERHERE!?!? 😍
He sounds so professional 😭 if i had a biography this man needs to be the narrator.
So, here I am at 3:10 AM, just watched an hour and a half Iceberg video of my favorite video game franchise in the world, and I don't regret one second of it.
Sly Cooper is one of the most important video game franchises of all time for me, and even if I don't own all the games or merch (or anything like what slycooperrocks101 had 😅), I still loved this Iceberg and am so happy to see that Sly got justice with a Iceberg video of his own. Thank you so much for making this, you definitely earned a sub!
BTW, I discovered this shark at 1:38:52 in around 2017 and was absolutely amazed and surprised that no one had posted about it on TH-cam but one guy.
I hoped to make a video of my own someday and show this shark and get lots of attention, but I'm happier that it got mentioned on this Iceberg.
I'm so glad you added the fruitcake thing omg. I remember pointing that out to my dad just to confirm that was messed up (he agreed) and I was waiting for you to mention it the whole time
I think the Transylvania level with the bat (whose name was Dr. Mortimor, by the way) is actually from a scrapped game called Network of Thieves originally in development in 2008. I’ve been told it got shelved when Sanzaru started working on what eventually became Sly 4, and it never got recalled.
41:46 "Bentley, you've created a time paradox.... Fantastic work, the wheelchair hasn't slowed ya down one bit!"
Great video, love sly cooper and love iceberg videos, very well produced, I just wish there was video footage of all of the entries. Keep up the great work!
Bro another very dark mission u didn't mention: Murray throwing guards at the boiling water pump to destroy it....the painful sounds the guards make traumatized me as a kid
what game is that in? I dont remember that
@@Freddyfredster in Sly 2
@@necus64 is it in the France one? Episode one. I redid it the other day since I’ve got a ps3 but couldn’t understand what paskal was saying abt them making noises.
@@Freddyfredster yes in the France episode
Unpopular opinion
Sly 4 thieves in times may not be the best but certainly is a very valid sequel
This is probly one of the longest Neester Videos i watched, worth every fucking second. This man has been a legend ever since i watched His First Video and im very glad i Stuck around ❤
A movie length of neesterhere😩👌
My favorite Murray quotes
“ I might be big…and not as smart as the other guys… but one thing I’m not is WEAK!”
And
“The seats gotta go back farther than this.”
And finally
“ no sly I am not going to help you with violence “
Can't believe the amount of work and research that went into making this video! The result is absolutely amazing!
1:32:00 - It's not just the Loud House. One of the episodes of the first season of Jeff Goldblum's Disney+ show has two tracks from Thieves in Time: the aforementioned rooftop theme and the main theme. Looking further into it, it seemed these respective tracks were, intentionally or otherwise, bundled into what appears to be a royalty-free music pack that sound engineers and music mixers use for tv. I have yet to find the actual music pack but this is no coincidence.
When you remember Sly Cooper 1 is now on PS5, which has a controller with an integrated microphone. Which means if they bring the rest of the titles on PS5, we could potentially be able to call guards bitches, yet again!
Very well made video and really good iceberg. Awesome stuff 🔥🔥
6:08 I have never seen Clockwork in episode 3, I always thought they didn't put an Easter egg there because he just didn't exist yet
28:40 also a cool detail with the checkpoints actually in game, is that whenever it gets activated it takes a picture of sly
1:34:18 I got curious and did some digging, and I'm fairly sure I found the video in question. It's uploaded on my channel.
Thank you for your service!!
I also found out that in the second part of the general tsao fight, I accidentally knocked him up instantly killed him, like the attack that kills the guards from behind (using triangle then square). Idk if this was pointed out yet or not, but very interesting! And i might’ve recorded it when I was playing the trilogy version of 3.
EDIT:
I killed him at half of his hp with the knockup attack, i can provide footage for you if this is intersting enough.
@@otdreamer193I uploaded it you can check it out.
Idk if my comments were getting deleted for having a link or not so sorry if I am spamming you
was gonna comment this but you did you can use a couple moves to make tsao vunrable to the sneek attack i use the knockout dive i think
this is a known glitch, i remember seeing it on youtube 10 years ago
I may have somewhat of a theory regarding Dimitri's special intro mentioned at 47:20
So, I once played this demo of Sly 2 (possibly coupled with one of the Ratched & Clank games) and I remember it including the beginning heist from the game as well as this particular trailing mission, nothing else. After the beginning heist the game simply throws you straight into the trailing mission and all the context the demo provides is what Bentley says at the beginning of the mission. We don't get to see the chapter intro introducing Dimitri, so the first time he is shown is when he comes out of the boat.
I think there are two (potentially overlapping) possibilities why Dimitri in particular has a special intro:
1) It was merely made with this demo in mind. Given how the player is just dropped into the mission without any other context, this was a way to showcase one of the game's villains for a demo player. And given how the main trio were introduced in a similar manner, it doesn't really look out of place since he _is_ pretty much as important character as them.
2) At the time of making the demo, the devs did intend to have a special intro for each of the bosses as well and they structured the trailing mission's cutscenes with that idea in mind. But for whatever reason, the idea was scrapped for the rest of them. Yet since the special intro was already made for Dimitri _and_ showcased in the demo, they decided to just keep it.
Ever since I played the game and the demo, I had theorized 1) to be the reason for this oddly singular villain intro. But this video made me realize that this demo is probably not that well-known _or_ played for most other people to reach the same conclusion. I hope this gave some additional perspective for this.
the Sly Cooper rocks 101 video has actualy been re-uploaded a few months after this video launched
Nice video! I love sly cooper and this appearing in my feed brought back a lot of memories
neester:THIS IS THE SICKEST SHIT EVER
serious neester:welcome to my iceberg
This is by far one of the best Iceberg videos ever made
As a kid born in 2002 and grew up with games, Sly being my fave franchise. Im more surprised at how much I already knew about this stuff due to me constantly playing the series over and over. Like how I would use the bouncy cheese as Carmalita in the Mugshot bossfight because it made the fight tediously easy too discover that little cutscene glitch. To remembering the old youtube videos of the guy doing edits for their own Sly 4 thieves in time. I could never forget that and if I recall correctly it included Bently jumping constantly to "If you wanna be my lover"? No clue but thanks for this retour down memory lane. I enjoyed the re-ride.
In sly 2 I was doing a mission to follow Neyla and I was tryna hit a guard and it hit Neyla and the screen said “job failed “
“Neyla doesent like getting hit anymore than you”
My nephew found the "Murray picking up the dynamite" thing out of nowhere, I been playing Sly Cooper for YEARS and never ever knew you could do that! Dude's a guru😄😄
1:31:09
Oh my god FINALLY someone mentions this!!! It has always bothered me since the second game that Sly NEVER mentions his mom!! Its always his dad which makes sense and he even mentions BOTH his parents died that night
But WHY does he never bring her up otherwise?
They likely didn't consider her role in the story and said "let's pretend she's not important at all"
@SodaFrizz666 if anything that only makes me more curious
I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but the 3D sections of Sly 3 are still in 3D on the PS3. The PS3 has 3D TV support, and if you have a 3D TV then those sections are in 3D!
1:24:26 because time travel is confusing he was only planned to be hung because Toothpick showed up, Clockwerk probably got him in the normal timeline when it was restored
there’s a lot to unpack with that PSP Carmelita concept art… what are those sound effects for her spinning her gun?
I still play the trilogy on PS2 after 2 decades as Sly Cooper is my favorite video game franchise aside from Grand Theft Auto.
I'm surprised the Penelope soft-lock glitch in 'Dead Men Tell No Tales' wasn't on here. In Dynamic Duo, when you free Penelope from Skull Keep and have to guide her out of the front windows to drop onto the main ground, if she slides onto a different piece of geometry and lands in a different spot, her model doesn't hit the trigger to continue the mission and will soft-lock you in the binocucom cutscene. This happens in all versions of Sly 3 as far as I know.
Probably the best sly cooper related video for any sly fan. I salute your efforts
More entries I'd like to add: In Sly 3 you can glitch into most werehouses using Bently's remote camera bomb and spamming the graple. This can sometimes pass some narrow gaps, even the treasure room in the skull fort in episode 5. In the same episode while sailing and fighting other captains, it is possible to one-shot a captain with the triangle triangle X or 3triple triangle X with sly. this happened to me only once. something that maybe belong to the upper layers but Murry's triangle square move is almost an insta kill to anything, a stun and a kick. Panda King has only two playable missions, he too got a binocucom. Bently's sucking vortex bomb can be detonated mid air. this will cause the target to tuble as it shrink. (had lots of fun doing this on the plane's ramp in episode 3). In the presentation of bently for operation Moonfall, one slide will show Bently from Sly 2 using the mojo collector. Sly cant hit a flashligh guard with a triangle X move that has more than one triangle (guess they are too heavy.) and lastly a well known theory is circulating that the Clockwerck is a time guardian trying to destroy the Sly paradox which came to be since Sly ends in Egypt and become the first ancestor. (there is a video showing that the egyptian Sly in Sly 3 And in sly 1 are two different racoons as one is the 1st and the other is 3rd or 2nd or something like that) the Clockwerk got corrupted since each ancestor dies solves nothing because the only family memeber that should have died is Sly himself. one last thing that I cannot prove since my PS3 and PS2 arent working as intended- while playing as Dimitri and going to the surface if possible (like in episode 5) his bionocucum/ scuba diving goggles change a bit.
Found this video 2am while eating munchies, sly copper was top 5 ps2 era liked and subscribed
I miss my boy sly cooper bro where'd he go 😭
(Murray is the best character)
1:32:00 The Paris song was also used in a specific segment of a specific episode of a British TV show called Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway. It was uploaded onto TH-cam as "The Missing Crowd Jewels: Episode 1" and plays from 2:13. A number of tracks from the Sly 2 OST must be available for licensing.
15:06 I remember pressing random buttons and finding this as a kid, i was so excited to show my brother and that is how we found the series. It's a bit sad that newer generations likely won't experience finding something few people know about, considering the all info is on the internet. The plus side now obviously is you're less likley to miss out on something these days.
Btw the reason Sly's hat is misplaced during some of the binocucom cutscenes is because he has an idle animation where he leans on his cane and pushes his hat up.
One thing I never noticed anybody bring up is why in Sly 2, the Clockwerk parts just keep changing size throughout the game. In the animated cutscenes, the tail feathers, which in game were pretty massive next to Sly, were so tiny that Sly was able to hold them in his hand. Same with the eyes.
Clockwerk's fully built body also changed size a couple times throughout the last episode as well. His body became MUCH larger when you landed on Clock-La during the last mission.
I think its funny that the crowd in the dance scene in episode 2 doesn’t hear Murray saw off the wings or taking them off the statue lol 😆
I was working on developing Sly Cooper 4 DLC for fun, incorporating the Egypt level & whatnot. While I'm currently focused on another game, I do hope to revisit the project in the future.
Also #freeslyfromegypt
In regards to Bentley (Matt Olsen) saying ‘That’s a nice one.’ It was an older line but was overlooked when they were replacing with new audio. Matt wasn’t available to to record a new line due to attending a family members funeral which was in a different country. They were going to mix something out of what they already had but Matt wouldn’t sign to say he would allow them to do so (it wasn’t part of his original contract for them to remix his personal dialogue) Matt insisted he wasn’t trying to be difficult but wasn’t in the right mind frame to be signing anything that would allow them to use his voice recordings not as originally intended in the future.
Greatest game series of all time
43:28 Knowing its actually canon that Murray was drugged by the Contessa with hallucinogenic "spices" makes this even funnier. Murray has been chasing that purple dragon ever since. Yet another child actor ruined by drugs and alcohol.
I hear Bentley staged an intervention 😔😔😔💔💔
3:09 uhhh hearing this theme made my heart jump!
fun fact: in the german boxart of sly 4, it says “sly cooper: jagd durch die zeit” which translates to “sly cooper: the hunt through time”
The canonically calling a guard a bitch section had me laughing so hard lol
OMG!! You mentioned slycooperrocks101!! I used to watch them all the time! I thought they were so cool. I dreamed of having their room 😂 Their videos forever live in my memories 🖤
Bro your so fucking quick with this shit man great work also i would love to see more iceberg videos
I know it’s newer info but for anyone finding this now, 2CPhoenix has done an incredible breakdown of Sly 2 and one big thing they discover through exploration of pre-release stuff and interviews is that Sly 2 originally had a series of collectible loot paintings inside buildings. This explains a bunch of things on the iceberg like the room with no purpose in the nightclub, the briefcases above Dimitri’s office and the save vault door in the spice room.
0:53 this game was so good that i don't know anyone that has played the first game but most people at least remember the 2nd. I played through it dozens of times. It's one of my earliest memories even, with gran turismo 4 (the seattle circuit to be exact) was my 2nd memory (1st one is pooping my diaper in case someone was wondering, which you weren't but now you know)
Ive never heard of this game and now im interesed im going to go try it all out. Wish me like
Oh my gosh! Did you play them? I'd love to hear the experience of someone new to the series!!
I've been a huge fan of both Sly Cooper and Ratchet & Clank since childhood, and I NEVER knew there was a hidden Sly 2 demo level in Up Your Arsenal.
1:14:29
I couldn't find a picture of it either.
Which is crazy because every other Binocucom has been documented.
Yessss sly content. This game franchise was my childhood.
Solid proof that views number and quality are not necessarily correlated because this is one of the best icebergs and only got 10k views which is a shame
It deserves 100k+ like a lot of other
You forgot about the ending of Sly 2 and how the part where Clockwork lands in Paris was changed from the gang having to each go the center because they all landed in different places, to what it was at release to them standing all at the same place. There was also likely something else, maybe a fight or destruction, since a piece of scenery could be destroyed with some destruction animation for it. Plus there's a very rare chance where in Cairo where if you dive down on a certain table, the table will fling you up the map. Prob common but mega jumping into the safe house on episode 3. Plus the name changes for some loot between versions. Maybe also mention how sanzaru just removed behind the scenes and some trailers from sly 1+2 cuz they suck. Prob more I cant remember but this is what I feel like you missed.
1:30:24 Yes!! I remember that! I’m glad someone else finally mentioned that!! I remember watching that in 2007 and remember when the game was announced and remembering that TH-camr predict the future title!!! I remember his videos starting with the Link song: Link he come to town. Man 2007 feels like a lifetime ago, but I remember TH-cam and the internet from back then!!!
To be fair, Crash Bandicoot 4 writers actually had Coco explain that, when asked how many times she and Crash faced off against Dr.Cortex, it was twice.
That meant that the recent "Fourth" Crash Bandicoot game COMPLETELY erased the rest of the Crash games after the first Crash trilogy games. At least from what I got anyways.
So in the fans defense, they've considered Thieves in Time as "Non-canon", probably due to the Crash 4 "Confirming" that the rest of the Crash games were considered "Non-canon" by the staff that wrote that game.
Not only that, but TiT was left on a cliffhanger, no actual ending and no plausibility that it'll ever be completed story-wise
But again, that's what I thought.
I always thought those weird black shadows on Murray’s mask were oil stains.
34:00 actually, the loot you see in the overworlds were originally supposed to be in interiors and this was one of the locations for them
I thought I was crazy! That Mz Ruby fight was so bad in the port, but I had no idea there was a legitimate reason for it. I just assumed it was harder than I remembered it being or something
Man, this video is awesome.
Another thing about Panda King being first: Sly was originally going to learn the “climb” move from Panda King’s vault, but Sucker Punch made it to where he could climb things from the start and changed Panda King’s Thievius Raccoonus pages to contain a turret and a battering ram added to the Cooper Van.
He also heavily foreshadows what move he's about to do next during his boss fight, which is odd considering Sir Raleigh, Muggshot and Mz. Ruby don't do that; reinforcing that the Panda King was meant to be the first boss.
-i dont know who the hell sly cooper is- but OVER ONE AND A HALF HOURS OF NEESTER
GAWD DAYUM
and it appears the reason why i didnt know who sly cooper was is stated in the video. neat.
Lmao love that you left this part in. I love when people slip up on their words like that and just roll with it and the gif was perfect😂😂😂 7:49
The orphan joke impelled me to sub
Respect to Neester for making this, I ain’t watching alla dat but I’m proud he made
There is a glitch in Go West Young Raccoon (Sly 4) where standing on a ledge with Tennesee Kid Cooper and shooting his gun puts him in T-pose with his gun floating next to him.
Lots of good info here, I do however have one correction.
1:38:50 We do have something of an idea. Because her look for the TV series got leaked, and since they were following a more simplified movie design, we can guess just how much more detailed it would've been.
Where was this leak at?
@@winnerdinger589The Artist was J. Splaz. He'd been posting online randomly after the official cancellation. I caught some of it back when he had a Twitter; both official and rejected arts. Of course since the project failed, I guess that means they're ALL rejected concept arts.
34:00 that secret room was likely just going to be where a treasure would be hidden
Helo. I love that you make the content you like :D
Carmelitas character was eviscerated in Sly4. The belly dance level would have fit perfectly in probably a different level tbh.
Bro you can see her ribs too.
1:21:40 On the version of the Demo I had, it actually had the final voice actor for Murray reading these lines saying Bentley doesn't have to treat him like a child. I played the demo over and over as a kid until I could get the full game
This is an amazing video, thank you. I miss Sly Cooper it’s my childhood
1:16:50 That still won’t make sense, cause we literally saw at the end of Sly 3 that she still worked with Bentley to protect the Cooper Vault, TO PROTECT THE COOPER LEGACY!!! I will just think Sly 4 as the non-canon game, where character don’t act themselves, character assassinations and etc.
I want to add that the thing at 1:24:38 I wouldn’t say is accurate. Yeah he says he would’ve been hung, but the only reason he was at the jail was due to time shenanigans by Le Paradox and Toothpick. Which means we don’t know how Tennessee would’ve died in the true timeline of Sly Cooper.
okay im kind of suprised this didnt make it into the video but... the ending of sly 4 is supposed to imply a time loop where sly becomes slytenkahmen after being stuck in ancient egypt and then with his knowledge from the future creating the cooper vault and everything.
it also lines up with how slytenkahmen is the only one of the ancestors that has sly in the name, like he made it up on the spot and then rolled with it.
as far as i know, the only move from the thievius raccoonus that you have to purchase as a gadget in the later games is shadow power
also how sly's cane was modified to split in two by Bentley in sly 2 matches the double canes that slytenkahmen is shown to have.
there is a LOT of stuff with the story of sly 4 and sly 4 in general that i dont like, but the ending is actually a kind of clever way to tie it together i thought
I've thought of that theory too! Which effectively means that the cooper clan is stuck in a time loop for eternity, always looping back to start up with Sly as his own ancestor. Also kinda disturbing if you think about it from a cosmic standpoint.
its amazing to finally get confirmation that the fanmade sly 4 video was actually real and not something i imagined 😂
It should be illegal for game companies to end a game on a cliffhanger and then just drop the IP and story altogether... I miss Sly 😭