The more I hear on this topic the more I see it all through the scripture. Hiding in plain sight. Thank you for mining out these truths and explaining with love and humility. I really appreciate you guys.
Thank you for this great teaching, I am 64 and I was raised and taught only dispensationalism and therefore believed only the dispensational doctrine but I have been looking into other eschatology views for the last few years. You guys have answered many questions I had and opened my eyes to so much in the scripture! My only question is what is the significance of the reformation of Israel in 1948? This is a huge talking point in the dispensational view as you probably know. Are you planning on addressing that in future teachings or have you already covered it in a past teaching that I have missed? Thank you again and keep up the good work.
Hey Wesley, I do not believe that the reformation of Israel after WWII is directly connected to biblical prophecy. It may be indirectly connected only in the Romans 11 sense. What I mean is, Romans 11 teaches the presevation of the Jewish people until Christ returns and the salvation of a remnant throughout church history, climaxing with a mass conversion of Jews at the time of Christ's return. In God's providence, the nation of Israel may simply help to more dramatically sustain the Jewish people. But I do not see their national existence as being directly tied to prophecy. While this may seem like a weak point to a Dispensationalist, I would say that I don't want to let historical events too dramatically shape my biblical interpretation. How many times have Dispensational writers been wrong as they have tried to read, for instance, Revelation and other books in light of Middle Eastern events over the past century?
you know, these guys seem a lot more of a literalist in interpretation than most other protestants. but they heap on a lot of stuff that isn't found in the bible. I wonder how they interpret John 6, compared to the institution of the eucharist during the last supper, and how Paul talks about people getting sick and some dying when they the eucharist in an unworthy matter? I mean it all points to it being way more than just a symbol and that it is actually the body blood, soul and divinity of our Lord hearts Christ under the appearance of bread and wine (not grape juice)
The Lord Jesus Christ will not have a throne on Earth? What sayeth the scriptures? LUKE 1:30-33 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: *and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:* 33And *he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.* Jacob is Israel. The 12 Apostles will judge the TWELVE TRIBES in the KINGDOM. (Luke 22:29-30) Where is the "House of Jacob" in heaven? NAY. What is the "throne of David?" God the FATHER will give the Son the SAME THRONE David had in JERUSALEM. 2 SAMUEL 3:10 To *translate the kingdom* from the house of Saul, and to *set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.* Is Dan and Beersheba in heaven? Do you believe the scriptures or not? Do you have cognitive problems or difficulty reading the English language? DANIEL 7:13-18 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the *Son of man* came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the *Ancient of days,* and they brought him near before him. 14And there *was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.* 15I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. 17These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, *which shall arise out of the earth.* 18But the *saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.* Is this kingdom on the Earth? Who is the "Ancient of Days" and does He not already have a throne in heaven? WHY is the Son GIVEN a throne on Earth? Does Jesus Christ sit on the Throne of Heaven or sit on THE RIGHT HAND OF HIM WHO SITS ON THE THRONE? PSALM 110:1-2 1(A Psalm of David.) The *LORD said unto my Lord,* Sit thou at *my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.* 2The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength *out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.* Jesus shall sit on the Father's right hand UNTIL he makes His enemies His "footstool". How can Jesus sit on His throne in heaven and rule "in the midst of His enemies" in heaven? MAKES NO SENSE. Zion is Jerusalem. MATTHEW 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the *Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.* Where is Jesus going, for a joyride? Or to the Earth to rule? LUKE 22:69 Hereafter shall the *Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.* Why on the "right hand"? ACTS 2:34-35 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, *The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,* *35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.* Sit at my right hand UNTIL... ACTS 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the *Son of man standing on the right hand of God.* Why was Jesus STANDING? REVELATION 19 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a *white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.* 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called *The Word of God.* 14And the *armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,* clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite *the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:* and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Read your Bible.
The Church is Israel? The Kingdom is the Church? MARK 14:24-25 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. 25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, *until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.* LUKE 22:29-30 And I appoint unto you *a kingdom,* as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, *and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.* Has the Lord drank of the wine with the Apostles yet? Are the 12 Apostles judging the 12 tribes? 1 CORINTHIANS 15:49-52 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50Now this I say, brethren, *that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;* neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. How can the Church be the "kingdom" when Paul states that the Christian CANNOT inherit the kingdom because he is flesh and blood? The rapture must happen first. Was the rich ruler in Mathew chapter 19 told he could inherit the kingdom by KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS? Are we saved by keeping the commandments? HEBREWS 8:10-13 For this is the *covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,* saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11And they shall *not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,* saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. *Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.* The New Covenant is made by the Lord and is given to the SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE THE OLD WAS. What do you do with verse 11? Why teach doctrine? Paul states that the Old is READY TO VANISH AWAY. How can the New Covenant be in effect when the Old is waxing old and ready to vanish away? Christians are saved by a TESTAMENT. The Church is NOT spiritual Israel: Ephesians 2:11-13 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and *strangers from the covenants of promise,* having no hope, and without God in the world: 13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by *the blood of Christ.* (Christians were not given the Law or any Covenant but made nigh by the BLOOD OF CHRIST.) Christians are saved by a TESTAMENT: Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the *new testament,* which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the *new testament,* which is shed for many. Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the *new testament* in my blood, which is shed for you. 2 Cor. 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the *new testament;* not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. JEREMIAH 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a *new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:* 32Not according to the covenant that I made with *their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;* which my covenant they brake, although I was an *husband unto them,* saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the *covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;* After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall *teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,* saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Where in Jeremiah does it state that GENTILES would be graft in amoung the House of Israel and the House of Judah? Verse 32 state that God was a HUSBAND TO THEM. Israel and Judah is an ADULTEROUS WIFE. Jeremiah 3:8 8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby *backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce;* yet her treacherous sister *Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.* Paul says of the Church: 2 Cor. 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a *chaste virgin to Christ.* How can a CHASTE BRIDE be divorced? (JEREMIAH 3:8!) A CHASTE BRIDE has never been married! Jesus says of the believing Jews at the second Advent: Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto *ten virgins,* which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the *bridegroom.* The five foolish virgins are those Jews that will reject Jesus at the Second Advent: (v. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.) Jesus marries a chaste VIRGIN (singular). The ten virgins are BRIDESMAIDS. The chaste virgin is saved by a Testament, the adulterous wife is redeemed by a New Covenant. You do not save an adulterous wife along with the same chaste virgin. You save an adulterous wife by a NEW COVENANT. Paul states that the Jew and gentile in one body/the Church was a MYSTERY, therefore the New Covenant CANNOT be the church today. GALATIANS 3:1-9 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3How that by revelation he made known unto me *the mystery;* (as I wrote afore in few words, 4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages *was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed* unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That *the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:* 7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9And to make all men see what is the *fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,* who created all things by Jesus Christ: HOW can the Church be the "kingdom" or be saved by the New Covenant when Paul states that the revelation of Jew and gentile in ON BODY WAS A MYSTERY, not MADE KNOWN TO THE SONS OF MEN (including JEREMIAH) and was hid in God? Covenant theology is heresy.
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The more I hear on this topic the more I see it all through the scripture. Hiding in plain sight.
Thank you for mining out these truths and explaining with love and humility. I really appreciate you guys.
Thank you for the encouraging words!
Wow! Fantastic. Great teaching. Thank you.
Thank you! Thanks for listening.
This was an incredible teaching! Thank you for explaining clearly. Acts 9:31 I never saw that as two sticks coming together when it is so obvious!
Thank you for the encouragement!
Thank you for this great teaching, I am 64 and I was raised and taught only dispensationalism and therefore believed only the dispensational doctrine but I have been looking into other eschatology views for the last few years. You guys have answered many questions I had and opened my eyes to so much in the scripture! My only question is what is the significance of the reformation of Israel in 1948? This is a huge talking point in the dispensational view as you probably know. Are you planning on addressing that in future teachings or have you already covered it in a past teaching that I have missed? Thank you again and keep up the good work.
Hey Wesley, I do not believe that the reformation of Israel after WWII is directly connected to biblical prophecy. It may be indirectly connected only in the Romans 11 sense. What I mean is, Romans 11 teaches the presevation of the Jewish people until Christ returns and the salvation of a remnant throughout church history, climaxing with a mass conversion of Jews at the time of Christ's return. In God's providence, the nation of Israel may simply help to more dramatically sustain the Jewish people. But I do not see their national existence as being directly tied to prophecy.
While this may seem like a weak point to a Dispensationalist, I would say that I don't want to let historical events too dramatically shape my biblical interpretation. How many times have Dispensational writers been wrong as they have tried to read, for instance, Revelation and other books in light of Middle Eastern events over the past century?
you know, these guys seem a lot more of a literalist in interpretation than most other protestants. but they heap on a lot of stuff that isn't found in the bible. I wonder how they interpret John 6, compared to the institution of the eucharist during the last supper, and how Paul talks about people getting sick and some dying when they the eucharist in an unworthy matter? I mean it all points to it being way more than just a symbol and that it is actually the body blood, soul and divinity of our Lord hearts Christ under the appearance of bread and wine (not grape juice)
The Lord Jesus Christ will not have a throne on Earth? What sayeth the scriptures?
LUKE 1:30-33
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: *and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:* 33And *he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.*
Jacob is Israel. The 12 Apostles will judge the TWELVE TRIBES in the KINGDOM. (Luke 22:29-30) Where is the "House of Jacob" in heaven? NAY. What is the "throne of David?" God the FATHER will give the Son the SAME THRONE David had in JERUSALEM.
2 SAMUEL 3:10
To *translate the kingdom* from the house of Saul, and to *set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.*
Is Dan and Beersheba in heaven? Do you believe the scriptures or not? Do you have cognitive problems or difficulty reading the English language?
DANIEL 7:13-18
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the *Son of man* came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the *Ancient of days,* and they brought him near before him.
14And there *was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.*
15I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
17These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, *which shall arise out of the earth.*
18But the *saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.*
Is this kingdom on the Earth? Who is the "Ancient of Days" and does He not already have a throne in heaven? WHY is the Son GIVEN a throne on Earth?
Does Jesus Christ sit on the Throne of Heaven or sit on THE RIGHT HAND OF HIM WHO SITS ON THE THRONE?
PSALM 110:1-2
1(A Psalm of David.) The *LORD said unto my Lord,* Sit thou at *my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.* 2The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength *out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.*
Jesus shall sit on the Father's right hand UNTIL he makes His enemies His "footstool". How can Jesus sit on His throne in heaven and rule "in the midst of His enemies" in heaven? MAKES NO SENSE. Zion is Jerusalem.
MATTHEW 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the *Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.*
Where is Jesus going, for a joyride? Or to the Earth to rule?
LUKE 22:69
Hereafter shall the *Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.*
Why on the "right hand"?
ACTS 2:34-35
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, *The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,* *35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.*
Sit at my right hand UNTIL...
ACTS 7:56
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the *Son of man standing on the right hand of God.*
Why was Jesus STANDING?
REVELATION 19
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a *white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.*
12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called *The Word of God.*
14And the *armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,* clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite *the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:* and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Read your Bible.
The Church is Israel? The Kingdom is the Church?
MARK 14:24-25
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. 25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, *until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.*
LUKE 22:29-30
And I appoint unto you *a kingdom,* as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, *and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.*
Has the Lord drank of the wine with the Apostles yet? Are the 12 Apostles judging the 12 tribes?
1 CORINTHIANS 15:49-52
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, *that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;* neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
How can the Church be the "kingdom" when Paul states that the Christian CANNOT inherit the kingdom because he is flesh and blood? The rapture must happen first. Was the rich ruler in Mathew chapter 19 told he could inherit the kingdom by KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS? Are we saved by keeping the commandments?
HEBREWS 8:10-13
For this is the *covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,* saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11And they shall *not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,* saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old.
*Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.*
The New Covenant is made by the Lord and is given to the SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE THE OLD WAS. What do you do with verse 11? Why teach doctrine? Paul states that the Old is READY TO VANISH AWAY. How can the New Covenant be in effect when the Old is waxing old and ready to vanish away? Christians are saved by a TESTAMENT.
The Church is NOT spiritual Israel:
Ephesians 2:11-13
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and *strangers from the covenants of promise,* having no hope, and without God in the world: 13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by *the blood of Christ.* (Christians were not given the Law or any Covenant but made nigh by the BLOOD OF CHRIST.)
Christians are saved by a TESTAMENT:
Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the *new testament,* which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mark 14:24
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the *new testament,* which is shed for many.
Luke 22:20
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the *new testament* in my blood, which is shed for you.
2 Cor. 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the *new testament;* not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
JEREMIAH 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a *new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:*
32Not according to the covenant that I made with *their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;* which my covenant they brake, although I was an *husband unto them,* saith the LORD:
33But this shall be the *covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;* After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall *teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,* saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Where in Jeremiah does it state that GENTILES would be graft in amoung the House of Israel and the House of Judah?
Verse 32 state that God was a HUSBAND TO THEM. Israel and Judah is an ADULTEROUS WIFE.
Jeremiah 3:8 8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby *backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce;* yet her treacherous sister *Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.*
Paul says of the Church:
2 Cor. 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a *chaste virgin to Christ.*
How can a CHASTE BRIDE be divorced? (JEREMIAH 3:8!) A CHASTE BRIDE has never been married!
Jesus says of the believing Jews at the second Advent:
Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto *ten virgins,* which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the *bridegroom.*
The five foolish virgins are those Jews that will reject Jesus at the Second Advent: (v. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.) Jesus marries a chaste VIRGIN (singular). The ten virgins are BRIDESMAIDS. The chaste virgin is saved by a Testament, the adulterous wife is redeemed by a New Covenant. You do not save an adulterous wife along with the same chaste virgin. You save an adulterous wife by a NEW COVENANT.
Paul states that the Jew and gentile in one body/the Church was a MYSTERY, therefore the New Covenant CANNOT be the church today.
GALATIANS 3:1-9
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3How that by revelation he made known unto me *the mystery;* (as I wrote afore in few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages *was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed* unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That *the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:*
7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9And to make all men see what is the *fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,* who created all things by Jesus Christ:
HOW can the Church be the "kingdom" or be saved by the New Covenant when Paul states that the revelation of Jew and gentile in ON BODY WAS A MYSTERY, not MADE KNOWN TO THE SONS OF MEN (including JEREMIAH) and was hid in God?
Covenant theology is heresy.