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AJ’s testimony moved me to tears. I’ve been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints my entire life and I’ve never been touched so deeply. I feel that it was because he’s such a special young person…truly saved for such a time as we live in now. God bless him and his precious family as they navigate this wonderfully amazing gospel journey! Thank you AJ for your heart and service !
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Oceans have never been a geographical barrier of any kind for seafaring people, but a highway for them. . Ancient mariners have traveled the oceans of the world with little or no limitations. They may not always have known where they were after making landfall, only that they had arrived someplace new and different. Global sailing routes, based on constant and reliable tradewinds, have certainly been known for centuries and have remained unchanged for millennia. The same holds true for major ocean currents. It's not only possible that people could have made long ocean passages, but impossible for them not to have done so. Anyone with a boat can go anywhere there is water and so they have. It's silly to think otherwise.
Thank you. I think that we are close minded to think we are the only ones that could navigate the oceans. As long as man has been here he will always wonder what is over the next mountain or ocean. Celestial Navigation has been going on for centuries past down from father to son and beyond.
@@redfightblue a giant ship builder 52-56 BC. Brought the south americans to Rapa Nui and the rest of the pacific ocean. He is known as Hākota in Maori NZ, Hākete in Tonga, Hagar in Italy..
Yes!! Its only the smallest bit about him, but they believe they who travelled with him got lost, maybe some did.. however my Sis has a direct connecrion to him according to her geneaology
Great video, thank you so much! I especially loved AJ's story and his testimony of "Instead of going on and telling lies, I went on and served a mission and telling what is true." POWERFUL!!!
I LOVE this episode and this entire series! My family and I eagerly anticipate each new episode. Thank you for all the good you are doing and thank you for strengthening my family's faith! 🙏 Keep going!!
SO GOOD. My favorite evidence of the Book of Mormon is the one highlighted at the end: spiritual experience conversion story of the young man. “It felt like Heavenly Father was right next to me trying to tell me the Book of Mormon was true.” I love that
Bless this young man for following the Spirit to baptism 1 great grandpa on each of my sides was kicked out of their families in Australia and Mexico for joining the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
I have missed a new episode of this great documentary a lot! The information, the production, the quality of the work you do is amazing, brilliant! Scott is wonderful as a host! I hope you continue to delight us with a new episode of “A Marvelous Work”, I love it! ❤
I think this may be my favorite episode after the witnesses episode. very informative. I would love to learn more about ships and ship building anciently
A marvelous journey just to learn about this going on in Montrose. The feeling of big boat.....then how Small it was. I do not tire of seeing the Phonicia ship on the waters. Phillip Beale has written 2 books on these 2 voyages. He got awards for his true adventure books.
What a great documentary ! The journey of The Phoenicia ship is outstanding. The only 600bc replica who crossed two oceans and seas. The proof that ancient people could easily reach America. I’m involved to the restoration of the Phoenicia ship in Montrose. It’s a great project for American people and also for humanity. I invite you to visit the workshop and invite everyone to join this big project.
What a great documentary ! The journey of The Phoenicia ship is outstanding. The only 600bc replica who crossed two oceans and seas. The proof that ancient people could easily reach America. I’m involved to the restoration of the Phoenicia ship in Montrose. It’s a great project for American people and also for humanity. I invite you to visit the workshop and invite everyone to join this big project.
When Philip Beale sailed out of the Mediterranean Sea down to the Canary Islands, it took him 39 days to cross the Atlantic ocean and land in the same area. Christopher Columbus landed, Santa Domingo
@@thealternativecontrarian9936 Philip Beale‘s first trip around Africa. If you follow his map you can see that he sailed down the coast of Africa down around the horn and out into the Atlantic and over to the Americas . He was around 600 miles off the coast of Florida before he turned back to head back to the Mediterranean ,that would’ve taken around six months to get to North America. In the book of Mormon, it says that Lehi and his family gathered the crops and entered the ship, and when they arrive at the promised land, they planted their crops. This could’ve been six months also.
@@thealternativecontrarian9936 because of the size of the group they would have had to stop multiple times for food,water, etc. which may even have meant growing the food using the seeds they brought.
It's a privilege to be involved with the restoration project of the Phoenician ship in Montrose, Iowa. It's been a lot of fun. And there are lots of great people working to preserve this piece of history.
You should add to this that the DNA evidence shows that the Asian part of the native American DNA is a lot more recent than the land bridge theory depicts. It is right about the time of the Nephite destruction. I wish I had a link but the videos are out there and they came from non LDS sources
All these episodes seem to follow the same pattern: 1. establish the possibility of something from the BOM being true to 2. concluding that it is therefore true. But mere possibility is the weakest degree of evidence, and you are often very far from establishing truth. Before jumping to a conclusion, the argument must strengthen from possibility to plausibility to certainty, to make a conclusion with a high degree of confidence. Somewhere between plausibility and certainty is where a high level of confidence resides. In this episode, establishing the possibility that ancient mariners could cross oceans with the technology they had does absolutely nothing to establish that the Lehites actually did cross the ocean.
Thank you so much brethren for sharing your honest, pure, inventions,related to the world and the marvellous of the Gospel and the Great Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ,
I am surprised that those people on the boats survived okay without Dramamine….recently I have a hard time even sitting in the back seat where I cannot see out as well. But I do have balance problems. Sitting in a rear facing seat in our old station wagon as a youth once, was the worst. It did not end up well. Oh, the experiences of life!! Other than one other time, the rest of our vacations were truly awesome!!
GOOD , maybe you could answer a couple of questions Q 1;.RE; Jaredite barge/s ( Eight in total ) story in the BofM , how did these boats drift without rudder/s and sail/s all happen to arrive in the same place ? Not Tethered together set out on the ocean/s Atantic of pacific ( who knows ). Q 2. Of the shinning stone; What became of them ? Did Joseph Smith discover the 8 shinning stones in the same stone box that the golden plate and sword of Laban were contained.
Ultimately we don't know the answer to either of these questions, however there is precedent for objects drifting in Ocean currents and arriving in the same location. National Geographic describes Ocean currents like "vast rivers, sweeping along predictable paths." Ocean currents have been used for centuries by navigators to arrive where they want to go. Ultimately though the scriptures remind us that it was through the "tender mercies" of the Lord that they arrived.
I was taught that Columbus discovered the Americas for the Spaniards, not that he was the first to cross the ocean. The Vikings were included in the conversation about ocean voyages. You, we teach elementary children what they are ready to learn; a deeper dive into the history of the world is for higher education.
I believe these words from a guy who wrote this: I used google earth and its ruler path tool to measure the distance from the south coast of Arabia to the west coast of Chile landing site. It was around 13,600 miles. I then used the same tool to measure the distance from the same starting point, down around the tip of Africa, then to the Caribbean and to the west coast of Florida. It was around 13,100 miles. I tried to make both paths as short as possible. That is not a significant difference. One of the reasons why on a flat map the path to South America looks longer is because the flat map distorts the distance the farther south or north. The advantages of the South American route is that they never would go against any of the natural ocean gyres, they would be on the fastest currents on earth while on the West Wind Drift, the Humbolt current is full of fish which they could catch, and finally the ocean near Coquimbo bay is very still making the landing easy. The city there is named La Serena which means "serene" BECAUSE the ocean is so peaceful there. The landing site has the same climate as Jerusalem from where they brought seeds. There is a river for fresh water and nearby forests with animals, and VISIBLE ores in the area of copper, silver and gold. Everything the text says about the landing site is right there.
17:10 We have Philip Beale. Our parents generation had Thor Heyerdahl. Yes, there was Kon Tiki, but around 1972 I saw a movie/documentary with my dad. "The Ra Expeditions". "Not after the manner of men" could have been the first innovations of pinned mortise and tenon joints with the rope caulking like the Phoenicia had. This made a very resilient and flexible hull. Diffusionism vs Isolationism
The sailor Herodotus speaks of, the one sent by the Pharaoh that circumnavigated Africa, IS LEHI HIMSELF! Herodotus and The Book of Mormon are documenting the SAME journey! You can learn this because Herodotus recounts the geography discovered and described by the sailor. The Geography of Africa. This geography is repeated in the Book of Mormon. This means Lehi circumnavigated Africa and ended where he started. The Nephites later use the same geographical description of Africa that was passed down to them orally from Lehi. The same geographical description Herodotus heard and documented in "Herodotus: The Histories, Book 4, chapter 40-42". These are the chapters Philip Beale read and wanted to recreate. Philip Beale said "there is a parallel" to the Book of Mormon and that's why he made the second journey. Herodotus does not describe sailing to America and neither does the Book of Mormon. They are the same journey. Here are the similarities and the claims I am proposing: Claim #1: Asia is described as a "Desolation" by Herodotus and the Book of Mormon. Herodotus makes the claim that Asia is mostly a "desolation" with the exception of India. "As far as India, Asia is an inhabited land, but thereafter, all to the East is Desolation". Book 4, Chapter 40, Section 2. The Book of Mormon also describes the land of Desolation. It describes a line between the land of Desolation and the land of Bountiful. "On the line Bountiful and the Land of Desolation". Alma 22:32. I believe the Book of Mormon is describing the line that separates Asia from Africa. Desolation is Asia and Bountiful is Africa. Claim #2: The Narrow Neck of Land is the Isthmus of Suez in Egypt. Herodotus describes the Isthmus of Suez as follows "The Egyptian part of this peninsula is narrow". Book 4, Chapter 41, Section 1. The Book of Mormon repeatedly describes the Narrow Neck of Land. It is called the "small neck of land" in Alma 22:32. Claim #3: When describing the Isthmus of Suez, both manuscripts describe the seas on each side of the isthmus. They are both describing the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea. Herodotus says "from our sea to the Red Sea". Book 4, Chapter 41, Section 1. The Book of Mormon says "from the east to the west sea". Alma 22:32. Claim #4: Both describe the "distance" across the Isthmus of Suez. Herodotus describes the distance in miles. "from our sea to the Red Sea it is a distance of 125 miles". Book 4, Chapter 41 Section 1. The Book of Mormon describes the distance across the Isthmus of Suez in "days traveled". "It was only the distance of a day and a half journey for a Nephite". Alma 22:32. Claim #5: Both describe the fact that Africa is surrounded by water and connected to Asia only at the Isthmus of Suez. Herodotus says "for Libya (scholars agree this can be translated as Africa today) shows clearly that is is bounded by the sea except where it borders Asia". Book 4, Chapter 42, Section 2. The Book of Mormon says that the "Land South" (Nephi and Zarahemla combined) are "surrounded by water" except at the Narrow (Small) Neck of Land on the North. "The Land of Nephi and the Land of Zarahemla were nearly surrounded by water there being a small neck of land between the land Northward and the Land Southward". Alma 22:32. Added context to my claims: #1 Both describe a sailor. #2 Both describe a sailor in the year 600 BC. #3 Both describe a connection to Egypt. Herodotus clearly claims the Pharaoh Necho II sent the sailor to circumnavigate Africa. The Book of Mormon opens with the Knowledge that Lehi speaks Egyptian. #4 Both describe knowledge of the Red Sea. #5 At the time, it was not known if Africa was surrounded by water and could be sailed around. This is the purpose of the Pharaoh sending the sailor on the journey. Herodotus claims this was successful and the sailor "discovered" and described the geography of Africa. This knowledge, discovered by Lehi, was handed down to the Nephites. The Nephites knew Africa (the Land South) was "surrounded by water" because of Lehi's journey. #6 It is well know that the Nephites describe their "world" in an hourglass shape. They know the Land South is surrounded by water but they know less about the "bounds" of the Land North. This is identical to the understanding the Egyptians had at the time. They didn't know much about Asia (modern day locations of China and Russia). Herodotus says "nor can anyone say what kind of land is there" when describing Asia and "all to the East". Book 4, Chapter 40, Section 2. #7 It is more logical that Lehi remained in Africa due to the many items described that are known to be in the Old World at the time and not in the New World. These "anachronisms" are solved with this theory while efforts continue to "shoehorn" them into the New World despite being out of time and place. The anachronisms are many, not just one or two. This topic deserves it's own book to be written. #8 The Book of Mormon describes a major river that flows North. This river has not been discovered in the New World and no consensus has formed. Placing the events in Africa, near Egypt, make this river obvious, it is the Nile. #9 Jews traveling into Egypt is not new or unique. The Bible describes many journeys into Egypt. Abraham, Jacob, Joseph and Moses etc. Jeremiah 44 claims Jews are running to Egypt at the very time of Lehi. Many Jews journeyed through Egypt as they traveled up the Nile River. They ended in Ethiopia and called themselves Beta Israel or Ethiopian Jews. They remained there until WWII. In conclusion, I believe the Book of Mormon was written in Africa by Ethiopian Jews. The geography, myths, religion, flora and fauna, and culture are all in perfect alignment with this perspective. Lehi was commanded to journey up the Nile to Ethiopia in the Tree of Life Vision. Ethiopia is the Garden of Eden according to Genesis 2:13. This was to avoid being destroyed in Egypt (read Jeremiah 44). The Nephites remained in Ethiopia until chapters like Helaman 3 that clearly describe a migration back North to Egypt. That chapter is a detailed description of Egypt. This lead to their eventual destruction. No sailing journeys in the Book of Mormon are trans-oceanic. They are all local. As an Ethiopian Jew, Moroni decided to include the Ethiopian version of Genesis in the Book of Mormon. The Jaredites were Ethiopians that started in Ethiopia (Garden of Eden) and sailed down the Nile to Egypt. Then they sailed the open ocean to Israel. In Ether 9:3 they go South. In Ether 10 they arrive a the Narrow Neck of Land, build Large and Spacious Buildings and wear Fine Linen. In Ether 12 they begin to "mock". The remaining chapters of Ether describe their destruction. This all happens in Egypt. It is the Jaredites that Lehi sees in the Tree of Life Vision. It is their downfall in Egypt that is seen. The solution, given in the vision, is to migrate past Egypt, up the Nile to Ethiopia. Back to the Garden of Eden. The Angel tells Nephi his seed will be destroyed on the "Same " river as the one in the Tree of Life Vision 1 Nephi 12:16. That river is the Nile and the Nephites are destroyed in Egypt after migrating from Ethiopia back to Egypt in Helaman 3.
Your theory might be at least a "little" credible if Joseph Smith had been led to the gold plates somewhere near the pyramids, instead of across a major ocean thousands of miles away.
I strongly believe that Earth, and the humanity living upon it, are both just unfathomably ancient...modern global citizens like us can not conceive of the endless, blinding majesty of deep antiquity....
Loved this. There is good evidence the Phoenician were all over the Americans. Elder Kimball called the Hawaiians, Lehites and makes me wonder if the children of Lehi took to the sea or they are from Hagoth. There are several Native American oral histories that say they crossed bearingia 2000 years ago lead by their prophets or High Priest. There is some evidence that points to a younger crossing vrs 10s of thousands of years ago.
The Jaredites started in Ethiopia and then settled Israel. Then they migrated to Egypt and were destroyed. Lehi migrated to Egypt and had a vision. The vision was of the Jaredites in Egypt. The Vision command Lehi to follow the Nile to the Garden of Eden in Ethiopia at the head of the Nile. The Jaredites start in Ethiopia at the head of the Nile River. This is the Garden of Eden according to Ethiopian tradition supported by Genesis 2:13. They go North. This is down the Nile towards Egypt. Ether 1:42 and Ether 2:1. They are commanded to bring "milk and honey" with them. Ether 2:1-3 The Lord guides them through the Sahara in a cloud exactly like He will do later for Moses. Getting "lost" in the Sahara and needing "directions" is a Book of Mormon theme you'll see several times. Ether 2:5. The barges in this verse refer to Egyptian style river barges that carried the Jaredites down the Nile towards Egypt. Ether 2:6. The Lord does not want the Jaredites to settle in Egypt. This is another Book of Mormon theme. The Promise Land in this verse is Israel. The original Promise Land. The Biblical land of "Milk and Honey" Ether 2:7. Their understanding of "The World" was two large land masses Africa and Eurasia. They are delineated at the Isthmus of Suez in Egypt. This is always the Book of Mormons "Narrow Neck of Land". In this verse it is simply called "the place where the sea divides the land". This is Egypt. Ether 2:13. The Jaredites outfit their river barges with "cabins" to survive the open ocean. Ether 2:17. The sailing journey is to Israel. The Land North is always Israel. The Jaredites begin to migrate back South to Egypt, presumably on foot (or camel) over land. Ether 9:3. The "place where the sea divides the land" is now also called "The Narrow Neck of Land". This is the Isthmus of Suez in Egypt. Same as before. Ether 10:20. The Jaredites begin to live in Egypt. They build "large buildings", and wear fine linen". Ether 10:5 and Ether 10:24. Ether 12:23-26 describes "mocking" in curious detail. The rest of the Book of Ether describes the downfall of the Jaredites. They are destroyed in Egypt. Many, many years later Lehi is living in Israel and commanded to leave like the "prophets of old". The Prophets of old are the Jaredites written about in the Book of Ether and attached to the Nephite record for us. Read and compare 1 Nephi 1:20 with Ether 8:25-26. Lehi goes South into Egypt. The 3 day journey from the Red Sea to the continually flowing river is from the Red Sea to the Nile River. 1 Nephi 2:6. It is in reality a 3 day journey by camel from Cairo to Suez. This was documented by Carsten Niebuhr from Aug 18th to 30th 1762. The words "3 day journey" were placed on the "New map of Arabia" you can view for free online. The Lord will not allow Lehi to stay in Egypt. Read Jeremiah 44 for context on the troubles Lehi would face in Egypt. Remember, the Lord wouldn't allow the Jaredites to stay in Egypt either. Lehi has the Tree of Life Vision. In the Vision he sees the Nile River and he sees what happened to the Jaredites when they came to Egypt. He sees their "large and spacious buildings", their "fine linen" and their attitude of "mocking". 1 Nephi chapter 8. The Vision commands Lehi follow the Nile River back upstream (to the South) until he arrives back at the Garden of Eden. Again, this is Ethiopia at the head of the Nile River. This is where the Jaredites started. Lehi is given the Liahona to guide him through the Sahara on his way back to Ethiopia. "Bountiful" is a word associated with "Eden" and means Lehi has arrived back in Ethiopia at the Garden of Eden. The Nephites thrive in Ethiopia until they migrate back to Egypt. One place this is clear is Helaman Chapter 3. That chapter describes Egypt in detail. It's North of Ethiopia, it's "treeless", they build stone constructions (cement) and they ship cedar in from Lebanon. Pay special attention to Helaman 3:6 and the "Land of Desolation". This is Egypt according to Jeremiah 44. This also tracks with the theme of destruction for the Lords people in Egypt. The Nephites are eventually destroyed in Egypt same as the Jaredites. If Lehi saw the Jaredites in Egypt in the Tree of Life Vision and Helaman 3 explains the Nephites migrated back to Egypt. Suddenly 1 Nephi 12:16 makes sense when the angel tells Nephi his seed will be destroyed on the "same" river as the one in the vision. The river is the Nile and the destruction happens in Egypt. Ether 13:7 says "Egypt". It does not say "America". "This land" in Ether 13:8 is Africa. The Book of Mormon takes place in Africa. It's an African history. It was written by Ethiopian Jews and describes their dealings in Africa. Ethiopian Jews are real people with a real history. They migrated back and forth to Israel several times. Even the Bible mentions Sheba visiting Solomon. Moses married an Ethiopian. An Ethiopian saved Jeremiah from prison (Lehi mentions Jeremiah in prison 1 Nephi 7:14). Ethiopia is the first nation mentioned in the Bible and is the Garden of Eden, the place Lehi was commanded to go in the Tree of Life Vision.
The Phoenician experiment proved that Lehi and his family could sail south around the tip of Africa (where the Phoenicia was driven backward by the current and wind like Nephi speaks of) and naturally end up in the Gulf of Mexico around the Florida panhandle. That is the more likely route for Lehi and his family.
The Polynesians definitely sailed to the "New World" and more than likely had contact with people from South America all the way up to Southern California.
I think Herodotus thought Lehi was a Phoenician. The man he is speaking about is Lehi himself. This means Lehi sailed around Africa and ended in Egypt. The Book of Mormon takes place in Africa. The Geography described by Herodotus is identical to Alma 22:32. This means the Book of Mormon is describing Africa.
The ship that Captain Phillip Beale piloted, The Phoenician, is in Montrose Iowa, across the Mississippi River from Nauvoo Illinois. My wife and I spent two weeks working on the ship reconstruction two years ago and two weeks this year. Here is a link to more information about the ship, www.phoenicia.rocks/ We had a great time and the story of how and why it ended up in Montrose is fascinating.
There is a similitude with Nephi's storm and binding. Jesus was asleep on a boat with his disciples. Storm, fear of death, petition to save......Jesus being asleep was a form of binding. Put it all together and Jesus once again shared what no one else could know.
I think that God inspires various people with similar inventions…such as how to build boats. That is obvious!! What works, works!! And early boats could not be anywhere near as sophisticated as the modern ones. I would like to see similarities in the boats, etc., of those early explorers who crossed, also compared to experimental ones from more modern days.
Young earth creationism is not official church doctrine. The church holds a neutral position on this topic, for good reason. It is possible to reconcile an ancient earth and evolution with our religious faith, though I can fully understand the reluctance of many church members to do so.
@@philandrews2860 The scriptures are very clear that the earth has a temporal or mortal existence of 7000 years. It is official doctrine taught and declared by all of the early prophets. D&C 77:7 clearly claims the earth will be 7000 in total. The bible timeline shows that the earth is 6000 years old, and in LDS seminary we were given bookmarks showing that the earth is only 6000 years old. One of the biggest smoking guns about how the LDS church (and christianity) is false is the science going against the young earth theory derived from the bible and LDS prophets and scriptures. The fact that his video claims to use "science" and history from over 6000 years ago is clearly misleading and the creators don't know the doctrines of their own church.
I believe most members believe in an old earth theory. Some believe the earth to only be 6,000 years old. It's all in how one interprets Doctrine and Covenants 77 vs 6 & 7.
Regarding the chickens, please see: Chicken DNA Challenges Theory That Polynesians Beat Europeans to Americas New finding casts doubt on the theory that Polynesians made it to South America. ByRoff Smith (National Geographic article, 2014)
@@NinaHansen2008 archeological finds in Aotearoa New Zealand, the kumara (sweet potato) was found and dated pre European time. The kumara was a prized Polynesian staple food. This vegetable could only have been brought from South America. Indigenous S.A name for the kumara is/ was Cumal or Cumar as some referencing suggest: CumaltoKumara-TheVoyageoftheSweetPotatoAcrossthePacificJennaHarburg.pdf
This video, like the others, conveniently leaves out the problems that don’t fit the theory. First, let’s be clear. The raft-like ships of the Polynesians are not what the Book of Mormon is talking about. It’s talking about a vessel large enough to have sleeping quarters for around 20 people, plus enough provisions to feed all of them during a lengthy sea voyage. The ships of the Phoenicians are more in line with that requirement, but you’ll notice the expert on Phoenician ships got his materials from Cyprus and Lebanon, not the southern Arabian coast. That’s because the type of trees that grow on the southern Arabian coast are not suitable for shipbuilding. Ironically, it was an Interpreter article that pointed this problem out: "There is no evidence that shipbuilding timber ever grew in Oman, yet Nephi needed long straight hardwood to build a ship strong enough to survive an ocean crossing. Phillips notes in a précis that “Timber appropriate for building a conventional, ocean-going ship does not grow anywhere along the Omani coast and probably did not in the past. Trees are very scarce in the Dhofar, and those of significant size tend to yield gnarly, punky wood.” Not only is the wood an issue, but it’s questionable whether a group of nomads who had spent eight years wandering in the desert would have had all the other materials necessary to build a ship as well. The video talks about the DNA connection between Polynesia and the Americas, but fails to mention that there isn’t a DNA connection between the Middle East and the Americas. The majority of Native Americans descend from the peoples of East Asia who came to the Americas in pre-historic times. Since both Lehi’s and Mulek’s parties are alleged to have come from the Middle East in 600 BC, that presents a major problem for Book of Mormon historicity.
This criticism of 'conveniently leaving out problems that don't fit the theory' cuts both ways. Regarding the quote you included from the Interpreter Foundation article: Later in that same section of that article it includes a very plausible explanation for the source of the timber that Nephi used to build his ship, which you conveniently left out of your comment. Here is a quote from that part of the article: "Phillips adds: “If the ship were built at Khor Rori or even at Salalah, teak lumber from India was almost certainly available for purchase on the docks at Khor Rori.” For those who want to read the entire publication at the Interpreter Foundation site and form their own conclusions, it is called "Khor Rori: A Maritime Resources-Based Candidate for Nephi’s Harbor" by George D. Potter. He gives a good plausible case for Khor Rori and the adjacent Wadi Darbat area as very good candidates for the land Bountiful in the Book of Mormon, as described by Nephi as the place where they built the ship. Regarding the DNA connection: Latest mainstream scholarly articles on DNA and the Book of Mormon all pretty much agree that a very small incursion of Old World immigrants into an already fairly densely populated New World would not be expected to leave any trace in modern New World populations, especially after 2 major population bottlenecks (the Columbian Exchange and the extermination of the Nephite civilization). Even without those 2 bottlenecks, it would be unlikely to find a trace. The DNA argument from critics only applies to outdated assumptions that church members and some church leaders made in the past, based on a literalist reading of the text and cultural assumptions of a young earth, global flood, etc. True, the text doesn't directly mention 'others', but it also doesn't say specifically that there weren't other peoples there, and it does indirectly imply that there were others there before them. Since the text is primarily religious, and is written from the fairly narrow and biased perspective of an elite ruling, priestly lineage, it focuses specifically on that lineage. If we had a more history-based version of the story it would likely mention lots of details that would help us to find precise and definitive answers to all questions like this and others.
While it is true that Lebanon had better wood for shipbuilding, you are making an assumption that such wood was never available to people in S. Arabia. There is evidence of maritime travel between Egypt and S. Arabia (Oman region) well before Book of Mormon times. Also, there is evidence of Omani sailors navigating the old Maritime Silk Road between the Arabian Peninsula and the Far East as earlier as 400AD and likely earlier. Oman appears to have had some ports in antiquity, so how were ships built and repaired in such places unless they had access to materials to do so? Critics of the past called the Book of Mormon fake because it portrayed ocean crossings to America before Columbus, this film simply highlights that this is no longer a scientifically valid criticism. Ignoring this evidence and pivoting to another criticism is expected, but it is not good reasoning to just assert assumptions.
@@philandrews2860 There’s nothing remotely plausible about the Interpreter’s explanation of how Nephi got the lumber. It requires making things up that aren’t in the text. There’s no mention in the Book of Mormon of them encountering other people at Bountiful. Even if they did, how would they have afforded to purchase such a large amount of imported lumber? They were a bunch of nomads who had been wandering in the desert for eight years and left all their precious things behind in Jerusalem. Your DNA explanation is also completely implausible. The Book of Mormon nowhere describes a smaller population merging into a larger native population. Lehi is very clear that there weren’t other inhabitants there because the Lord was preserving the land for the inheritance of the people he brought out of Jerusalem. (2 Nephi 1:8-9) Even after the people become so numerous that they cover the entire face of the land, there is still no mention of encounters with non-Israelite peoples. Your explanation that the Book of Mormon just left something that important out because it doesn’t contain a lot of history is nonsense. From the time of King Benjamin to the coming of Christ it gives a very detailed history, and there is a substantial amount of history in the other parts of the book as well. The bottleneck theory doesn’t work because there’s no evidence of Middle Eastern DNA in pre-Columbian skeletons either, and the Book of Mormon is clear that the Lamanites were supposed to survive to receive the gospel. More than 100,000 samples of Native Americans have been analyzed now. The idea that Lamanite DNA is still hiding somewhere, at this point, is highly unlikely.
@@johnthompson8540 You ought to go read the Interpreter article. It's quite clear that the type of wood necessary for ship building did not grow in Oman. Yes, there were ports in Oman, but the point is they had to import the lumber for ship building because it didn't grow there.
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AJ’s testimony moved me to tears. I’ve been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints my entire life and I’ve never been touched so deeply. I feel that it was because he’s such a special young person…truly saved for such a time as we live in now. God bless him and his precious family as they navigate this wonderfully amazing gospel journey! Thank you AJ for your heart and service !
Thank you for sharing!
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I'm looking forward to this. The last documentary that i can recall on this topic was back in the seventies.
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Oceans have never been a geographical barrier of any kind for seafaring people, but a highway for them. . Ancient mariners have traveled the oceans of the world with little or no limitations. They may not always have known where they were after making landfall, only that they had arrived someplace new and different.
Global sailing routes, based on constant and reliable tradewinds, have certainly been known for centuries and have remained unchanged for millennia. The same holds true for major ocean currents.
It's not only possible that people could have made long ocean passages, but impossible for them not to have done so.
Anyone with a boat can go anywhere there is water and so they have. It's silly to think otherwise.
Thank you. I think that we are close minded to think we are the only ones that could navigate the oceans. As long as man has been here he will always wonder what is over the next mountain or ocean. Celestial Navigation has been going on for centuries past down from father to son and beyond.
I just can't tell you how much I enjoy this series! They are done so well!
Thank you!
Whoever does your guys' motion graphics deserves a raise. 🔥
I agree! I'm a visual learner, and the graphics made a huge difference in my understanding of this episode.
@@charlottehatch6696 I love the music! :)
Better graphics, editing, and directing, and camera shots/work... than television!
@@aaronhinton92 yesss I love the visuals for the videos!! 👏
I had really been looking forward to this episode! I'm so grateful for you showing the inspiration and bravery of those ancient seafarers! 😊❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've watched this episode twice, so beautiful. Thank-you
Okay, after watching in full, the music for this episode was MUCH better. Less music over the interviews this go around. Thank you.
I love the young man's testimony at the end.... very inspiring.
The chapter in Alma about Hakota (Hagoth), says soo much.
Who is Hakota?
@@redfightblue a giant ship builder 52-56 BC. Brought the south americans to Rapa Nui and the rest of the pacific ocean. He is known as Hākota in Maori NZ, Hākete in Tonga, Hagar in Italy..
Yes!! Its only the smallest bit about him, but they believe they who travelled with him got lost, maybe some did.. however my Sis has a direct connecrion to him according to her geneaology
@@hellurmoto3163crazy…i done genealogy on my partner, and her dads carrying Hakota (Hagoth) DNA too? Wow..
For a long time I suspected that maybe Vikings originated from Hagoth. They being seafarers and Hagoth sounds like a Viking name
Great video, thank you so much! I especially loved AJ's story and his testimony of "Instead of going on and telling lies, I went on and served a mission and telling what is true." POWERFUL!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Scott makes learning enjoyable
He really does!
I LOVE this episode and this entire series! My family and I eagerly anticipate each new episode. Thank you for all the good you are doing and thank you for strengthening my family's faith! 🙏 Keep going!!
Outstanding quality!!! Wow!!! These videos deserve at least 100X more views!!!
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I have loved this show I am not a memeber. I love learning about this! Thank you
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Come and join all of the happy people on the Covenant Path, Tge Holy Highway of Isaiah 35!
Hosannah!!
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SURE you're not. Hahaha
@@robezenk I am not a member
If I were you I would come up with more reasons to film in Hawaii. How amazingly beautiful.
Marvelous looking forward to watching 👏
SO GOOD. My favorite evidence of the Book of Mormon is the one highlighted at the end: spiritual experience conversion story of the young man. “It felt like Heavenly Father was right next to me trying to tell me the Book of Mormon was true.” I love that
A spiritual experience is all you have when there is no science
The Polynesians were the kings of the sea ⛵
I was married to a Tongan.... marvelous stories he told our family.
@@irenetukuafu6228 wow, I love stories from natives
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Bless this young man for following the Spirit to baptism 1 great grandpa on each of my sides was kicked out of their families in Australia and Mexico for joining the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Courage, Spiritual, Spiritual Strength
I have missed a new episode of this great documentary a lot! The information, the production, the quality of the work you do is amazing, brilliant! Scott is wonderful as a host! I hope you continue to delight us with a new episode of “A Marvelous Work”, I love it! ❤
God is good! Thank you for this blessing of inspiration!
I love your shows- so inspiring. Your last interview made me cry. Thanks Scott. Love ya.
Scott is such an awesome host!!!
stop it some more!
He's the best!
I have really enjoyed this series. I find it very interesting and uplifting. Thank you for sharing it
Excellent! My favorite so far. Keep up the amazing work 💫
Thank you very much!
Fascinating!! Thank you so much
Our pleasure!
Strong work, keep it up!
Another fantastic video! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you my good brother Scott, keep up the great work! ❤
What a great testimony from AJ! Thank you for sharing. I love this series of videos, and the production quality is fantastic.
I think this may be my favorite episode after the witnesses episode. very informative. I would love to learn more about ships and ship building anciently
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Thank You. This was a brilliant presentation ❤
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Great series , please come visit the Phoenicia across the Mississippi River from Nauvoo Illinois
I will one day soon.
A marvelous journey just to learn about this going on in Montrose. The feeling of big boat.....then how Small it was. I do not tire of seeing the Phonicia ship on the waters. Phillip Beale has written 2 books on these 2 voyages. He got awards for his true adventure books.
What a great documentary ! The journey of The Phoenicia ship is outstanding. The only 600bc replica who crossed two oceans and seas. The proof that ancient people could easily reach America. I’m involved to the restoration of the Phoenicia ship in Montrose. It’s a great project for American people and also for humanity. I invite you to visit the workshop and invite everyone to join this big project.
What a great documentary ! The journey of The Phoenicia ship is outstanding. The only 600bc replica who crossed two oceans and seas. The proof that ancient people could easily reach America. I’m involved to the restoration of the Phoenicia ship in Montrose. It’s a great project for American people and also for humanity. I invite you to visit the workshop and invite everyone to join this big project.
Thank you! What a cool experience!
Wow ! I loved this episode great evidence keep them coming !
Evidence is a word mormons should be forbidden to use.
Loved the Video. Thanks for sharing
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Maravilloso!!
Espero que lo suban en español tambien
yo tambien!
Marvellous work with Marvellous people Zion
Totally awesome 💓
Great episode wouldn't have missed this. 🇬🇧 19:47
Great channel
Thank u so much for this informative, well research and scientific presentation. From the Philippines! ❤❤❤
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This is the opposite of science. Joe Smith made up these stories. Mormonism is a complete fraud.
Beautiful! ❤
Thank you!
And it was not a quick trip. It took them at least a year and potentially up to two years to sail to the Americas from Arabia.
I don't know if it would have taken that long by following the trade winds and the current.
When Philip Beale sailed out of the Mediterranean Sea down to the Canary Islands, it took him 39 days to cross the Atlantic ocean and land in the same area. Christopher Columbus landed, Santa Domingo
@@thealternativecontrarian9936 Philip Beale‘s first trip around Africa. If you follow his map you can see that he sailed down the coast of Africa down around the horn and out into the Atlantic and over to the Americas . He was around 600 miles off the coast of Florida before he turned back to head back to the Mediterranean ,that would’ve taken around six months to get to North America. In the book of Mormon, it says that Lehi and his family gathered the crops and entered the ship, and when they arrive at the promised land, they planted their crops. This could’ve been six months also.
@@thealternativecontrarian9936 because of the size of the group they would have had to stop multiple times for food,water, etc. which may even have meant growing the food using the seeds they brought.
@@1truelies00 I think Lehi's family went east through Asia and onto Guatemala.
Love this. Are there going to be more episodes?
This is sooo cool!
It's a privilege to be involved with the restoration project of the Phoenician ship in Montrose, Iowa. It's been a lot of fun. And there are lots of great people working to preserve this piece of history.
You should add to this that the DNA evidence shows that the Asian part of the native American DNA is a lot more recent than the land bridge theory depicts. It is right about the time of the Nephite destruction. I wish I had a link but the videos are out there and they came from non LDS sources
Great video
It's great knowing the Book of Mormon is true.
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All these episodes seem to follow the same pattern: 1. establish the possibility of something from the BOM being true to 2. concluding that it is therefore true. But mere possibility is the weakest degree of evidence, and you are often very far from establishing truth. Before jumping to a conclusion, the argument must strengthen from possibility to plausibility to certainty, to make a conclusion with a high degree of confidence. Somewhere between plausibility and certainty is where a high level of confidence resides. In this episode, establishing the possibility that ancient mariners could cross oceans with the technology they had does absolutely nothing to establish that the Lehites actually did cross the ocean.
Wonderful episode! I was so moved and inspired by AJ's story! I too have experienced miracles as I've crossed my own oceans.
this is so great
What a fascinating subject. I suggest reading The Navigator from Morris West.
Thank you so much brethren for sharing your honest, pure, inventions,related to the world and the marvellous of the Gospel and the Great Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ,
Perú yo soy de Perú❤ hpy estamos de diesta Patriótica. I love it!❤🇵🇪
Thank you, Scott!
I am surprised that those people on the boats survived okay without Dramamine….recently I have a hard time even sitting in the back seat where I cannot see out as well. But I do have balance problems. Sitting in a rear facing seat in our old station wagon as a youth once, was the worst. It did not end up well. Oh, the experiences of life!! Other than one other time, the rest of our vacations were truly awesome!!
GOOD , maybe you could answer a couple of questions Q 1;.RE; Jaredite barge/s ( Eight in total ) story in the BofM , how did these boats drift without rudder/s and sail/s all happen to arrive in the same place ? Not Tethered together set out on the ocean/s Atantic of pacific ( who knows ).
Q 2. Of the shinning stone; What became of them ? Did Joseph Smith discover the 8 shinning stones in the same stone box that the golden plate and sword of Laban were contained.
Ultimately we don't know the answer to either of these questions, however there is precedent for objects drifting in Ocean currents and arriving in the same location. National Geographic describes Ocean currents like "vast rivers, sweeping along predictable paths." Ocean currents have been used for centuries by navigators to arrive where they want to go. Ultimately though the scriptures remind us that it was through the "tender mercies" of the Lord that they arrived.
I was taught that Columbus discovered the Americas for the Spaniards, not that he was the first to cross the ocean. The Vikings were included in the conversation about ocean voyages. You, we teach elementary children what they are ready to learn; a deeper dive into the history of the world is for higher education.
I believe these words from a guy who wrote this: I used google earth and its ruler path tool to measure the distance from the south coast of Arabia to the west coast of Chile landing site. It was around 13,600 miles. I then used the same tool to measure the distance from the same starting point, down around the tip of Africa, then to the Caribbean and to the west coast of Florida. It was around 13,100 miles. I tried to make both paths as short as possible.
That is not a significant difference. One of the reasons why on a flat map the path to South America looks longer is because the flat map distorts the distance the farther south or north.
The advantages of the South American route is that they never would go against any of the natural ocean gyres, they would be on the fastest currents on earth while on the West Wind Drift, the Humbolt current is full of fish which they could catch, and finally the ocean near Coquimbo bay is very still making the landing easy. The city there is named La Serena which means "serene" BECAUSE the ocean is so peaceful there.
The landing site has the same climate as Jerusalem from where they brought seeds. There is a river for fresh water and nearby forests with animals, and VISIBLE ores in the area of copper, silver and gold. Everything the text says about the landing site is right there.
17:10 We have Philip Beale. Our parents generation had Thor Heyerdahl. Yes, there was Kon Tiki, but around 1972 I saw a movie/documentary with my dad. "The Ra Expeditions".
"Not after the manner of men" could have been the first innovations of pinned mortise and tenon joints with the rope caulking like the Phoenicia had. This made a very resilient and flexible hull.
Diffusionism vs Isolationism
The sailor Herodotus speaks of, the one sent by the Pharaoh that circumnavigated Africa, IS LEHI HIMSELF! Herodotus and The Book of Mormon are documenting the SAME journey!
You can learn this because Herodotus recounts the geography discovered and described by the sailor. The Geography of Africa. This geography is repeated in the Book of Mormon.
This means Lehi circumnavigated Africa and ended where he started. The Nephites later use the same geographical description of Africa that was passed down to them orally from Lehi. The same geographical description Herodotus heard and documented in "Herodotus: The Histories, Book 4, chapter 40-42".
These are the chapters Philip Beale read and wanted to recreate. Philip Beale said "there is a parallel" to the Book of Mormon and that's why he made the second journey. Herodotus does not describe sailing to America and neither does the Book of Mormon. They are the same journey.
Here are the similarities and the claims I am proposing:
Claim #1: Asia is described as a "Desolation" by Herodotus and the Book of Mormon.
Herodotus makes the claim that Asia is mostly a "desolation" with the exception of India. "As far as India, Asia is an inhabited land, but thereafter, all to the East is Desolation". Book 4, Chapter 40, Section 2.
The Book of Mormon also describes the land of Desolation. It describes a line between the land of Desolation and the land of Bountiful. "On the line Bountiful and the Land of Desolation". Alma 22:32. I believe the Book of Mormon is describing the line that separates Asia from Africa. Desolation is Asia and Bountiful is Africa.
Claim #2: The Narrow Neck of Land is the Isthmus of Suez in Egypt.
Herodotus describes the Isthmus of Suez as follows "The Egyptian part of this peninsula is narrow". Book 4, Chapter 41, Section 1.
The Book of Mormon repeatedly describes the Narrow Neck of Land. It is called the "small neck of land" in Alma 22:32.
Claim #3: When describing the Isthmus of Suez, both manuscripts describe the seas on each side of the isthmus. They are both describing the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea.
Herodotus says "from our sea to the Red Sea". Book 4, Chapter 41, Section 1.
The Book of Mormon says "from the east to the west sea". Alma 22:32.
Claim #4: Both describe the "distance" across the Isthmus of Suez.
Herodotus describes the distance in miles. "from our sea to the Red Sea it is a distance of 125 miles". Book 4, Chapter 41 Section 1.
The Book of Mormon describes the distance across the Isthmus of Suez in "days traveled". "It was only the distance of a day and a half journey for a Nephite". Alma 22:32.
Claim #5: Both describe the fact that Africa is surrounded by water and connected to Asia only at the Isthmus of Suez.
Herodotus says "for Libya (scholars agree this can be translated as Africa today) shows clearly that is is bounded by the sea except where it borders Asia". Book 4, Chapter 42, Section 2.
The Book of Mormon says that the "Land South" (Nephi and Zarahemla combined) are "surrounded by water" except at the Narrow (Small) Neck of Land on the North. "The Land of Nephi and the Land of Zarahemla were nearly surrounded by water there being a small neck of land between the land Northward and the Land Southward". Alma 22:32.
Added context to my claims:
#1 Both describe a sailor.
#2 Both describe a sailor in the year 600 BC.
#3 Both describe a connection to Egypt. Herodotus clearly claims the Pharaoh Necho II sent the sailor to circumnavigate Africa. The Book of Mormon opens with the Knowledge that Lehi speaks Egyptian.
#4 Both describe knowledge of the Red Sea.
#5 At the time, it was not known if Africa was surrounded by water and could be sailed around. This is the purpose of the Pharaoh sending the sailor on the journey. Herodotus claims this was successful and the sailor "discovered" and described the geography of Africa. This knowledge, discovered by Lehi, was handed down to the Nephites. The Nephites knew Africa (the Land South) was "surrounded by water" because of Lehi's journey.
#6 It is well know that the Nephites describe their "world" in an hourglass shape. They know the Land South is surrounded by water but they know less about the "bounds" of the Land North. This is identical to the understanding the Egyptians had at the time. They didn't know much about Asia (modern day locations of China and Russia). Herodotus says "nor can anyone say what kind of land is there" when describing Asia and "all to the East". Book 4, Chapter 40, Section 2.
#7 It is more logical that Lehi remained in Africa due to the many items described that are known to be in the Old World at the time and not in the New World. These "anachronisms" are solved with this theory while efforts continue to "shoehorn" them into the New World despite being out of time and place. The anachronisms are many, not just one or two. This topic deserves it's own book to be written.
#8 The Book of Mormon describes a major river that flows North. This river has not been discovered in the New World and no consensus has formed. Placing the events in Africa, near Egypt, make this river obvious, it is the Nile.
#9 Jews traveling into Egypt is not new or unique. The Bible describes many journeys into Egypt. Abraham, Jacob, Joseph and Moses etc. Jeremiah 44 claims Jews are running to Egypt at the very time of Lehi. Many Jews journeyed through Egypt as they traveled up the Nile River. They ended in Ethiopia and called themselves Beta Israel or Ethiopian Jews. They remained there until WWII.
In conclusion, I believe the Book of Mormon was written in Africa by Ethiopian Jews. The geography, myths, religion, flora and fauna, and culture are all in perfect alignment with this perspective. Lehi was commanded to journey up the Nile to Ethiopia in the Tree of Life Vision. Ethiopia is the Garden of Eden according to Genesis 2:13. This was to avoid being destroyed in Egypt (read Jeremiah 44). The Nephites remained in Ethiopia until chapters like Helaman 3 that clearly describe a migration back North to Egypt. That chapter is a detailed description of Egypt. This lead to their eventual destruction. No sailing journeys in the Book of Mormon are trans-oceanic. They are all local.
As an Ethiopian Jew, Moroni decided to include the Ethiopian version of Genesis in the Book of Mormon. The Jaredites were Ethiopians that started in Ethiopia (Garden of Eden) and sailed down the Nile to Egypt. Then they sailed the open ocean to Israel. In Ether 9:3 they go South. In Ether 10 they arrive a the Narrow Neck of Land, build Large and Spacious Buildings and wear Fine Linen. In Ether 12 they begin to "mock". The remaining chapters of Ether describe their destruction. This all happens in Egypt. It is the Jaredites that Lehi sees in the Tree of Life Vision. It is their downfall in Egypt that is seen. The solution, given in the vision, is to migrate past Egypt, up the Nile to Ethiopia. Back to the Garden of Eden. The Angel tells Nephi his seed will be destroyed on the "Same " river as the one in the Tree of Life Vision 1 Nephi 12:16. That river is the Nile and the Nephites are destroyed in Egypt after migrating from Ethiopia back to Egypt in Helaman 3.
Your theory might be at least a "little" credible if Joseph Smith had been led to the gold plates somewhere near the pyramids, instead of across a major ocean thousands of miles away.
How did Joseph smith find the golden tablets in America then?
The bible talks about the ship builders . and the traders .
I found Mark's insights amazing. How did the Pathfinders acquire this knowledge?
I strongly believe that Earth, and the humanity living upon it, are both just unfathomably ancient...modern global citizens like us can not conceive of the endless, blinding majesty of deep antiquity....
Loved this. There is good evidence the Phoenician were all over the Americans.
Elder Kimball called the Hawaiians, Lehites and makes me wonder if the children of Lehi took to the sea or they are from Hagoth.
There are several Native American oral histories that say they crossed bearingia 2000 years ago lead by their prophets or High Priest. There is some evidence that points to a younger crossing vrs 10s of thousands of years ago.
The jaredites, the nephites, the mulekites, king montezuma’s ancestors…to name a few
The Jaredites started in Ethiopia and then settled Israel. Then they migrated to Egypt and were destroyed. Lehi migrated to Egypt and had a vision. The vision was of the Jaredites in Egypt. The Vision command Lehi to follow the Nile to the Garden of Eden in Ethiopia at the head of the Nile.
The Jaredites start in Ethiopia at the head of the Nile River. This is the Garden of Eden according to Ethiopian tradition supported by Genesis 2:13.
They go North. This is down the Nile towards Egypt. Ether 1:42 and Ether 2:1.
They are commanded to bring "milk and honey" with them. Ether 2:1-3
The Lord guides them through the Sahara in a cloud exactly like He will do later for Moses. Getting "lost" in the Sahara and needing "directions" is a Book of Mormon theme you'll see several times. Ether 2:5.
The barges in this verse refer to Egyptian style river barges that carried the Jaredites down the Nile towards Egypt. Ether 2:6.
The Lord does not want the Jaredites to settle in Egypt. This is another Book of Mormon theme. The Promise Land in this verse is Israel. The original Promise Land. The Biblical land of "Milk and Honey" Ether 2:7.
Their understanding of "The World" was two large land masses Africa and Eurasia. They are delineated at the Isthmus of Suez in Egypt. This is always the Book of Mormons "Narrow Neck of Land". In this verse it is simply called "the place where the sea divides the land". This is Egypt. Ether 2:13.
The Jaredites outfit their river barges with "cabins" to survive the open ocean. Ether 2:17.
The sailing journey is to Israel. The Land North is always Israel.
The Jaredites begin to migrate back South to Egypt, presumably on foot (or camel) over land. Ether 9:3.
The "place where the sea divides the land" is now also called "The Narrow Neck of Land". This is the Isthmus of Suez in Egypt. Same as before. Ether 10:20.
The Jaredites begin to live in Egypt. They build "large buildings", and wear fine linen". Ether 10:5 and Ether 10:24.
Ether 12:23-26 describes "mocking" in curious detail.
The rest of the Book of Ether describes the downfall of the Jaredites. They are destroyed in Egypt.
Many, many years later Lehi is living in Israel and commanded to leave like the "prophets of old". The Prophets of old are the Jaredites written about in the Book of Ether and attached to the Nephite record for us. Read and compare 1 Nephi 1:20 with Ether 8:25-26.
Lehi goes South into Egypt. The 3 day journey from the Red Sea to the continually flowing river is from the Red Sea to the Nile River. 1 Nephi 2:6. It is in reality a 3 day journey by camel from Cairo to Suez. This was documented by Carsten Niebuhr from Aug 18th to 30th 1762. The words "3 day journey" were placed on the "New map of Arabia" you can view for free online.
The Lord will not allow Lehi to stay in Egypt. Read Jeremiah 44 for context on the troubles Lehi would face in Egypt. Remember, the Lord wouldn't allow the Jaredites to stay in Egypt either.
Lehi has the Tree of Life Vision. In the Vision he sees the Nile River and he sees what happened to the Jaredites when they came to Egypt. He sees their "large and spacious buildings", their "fine linen" and their attitude of "mocking". 1 Nephi chapter 8.
The Vision commands Lehi follow the Nile River back upstream (to the South) until he arrives back at the Garden of Eden. Again, this is Ethiopia at the head of the Nile River. This is where the Jaredites started.
Lehi is given the Liahona to guide him through the Sahara on his way back to Ethiopia.
"Bountiful" is a word associated with "Eden" and means Lehi has arrived back in Ethiopia at the Garden of Eden.
The Nephites thrive in Ethiopia until they migrate back to Egypt. One place this is clear is Helaman Chapter 3. That chapter describes Egypt in detail. It's North of Ethiopia, it's "treeless", they build stone constructions (cement) and they ship cedar in from Lebanon.
Pay special attention to Helaman 3:6 and the "Land of Desolation". This is Egypt according to Jeremiah 44. This also tracks with the theme of destruction for the Lords people in Egypt. The Nephites are eventually destroyed in Egypt same as the Jaredites.
If Lehi saw the Jaredites in Egypt in the Tree of Life Vision and Helaman 3 explains the Nephites migrated back to Egypt. Suddenly 1 Nephi 12:16 makes sense when the angel tells Nephi his seed will be destroyed on the "same" river as the one in the vision. The river is the Nile and the destruction happens in Egypt.
Ether 13:7 says "Egypt". It does not say "America". "This land" in Ether 13:8 is Africa.
The Book of Mormon takes place in Africa. It's an African history. It was written by Ethiopian Jews and describes their dealings in Africa. Ethiopian Jews are real people with a real history. They migrated back and forth to Israel several times. Even the Bible mentions Sheba visiting Solomon. Moses married an Ethiopian. An Ethiopian saved Jeremiah from prison (Lehi mentions Jeremiah in prison 1 Nephi 7:14).
Ethiopia is the first nation mentioned in the Bible and is the Garden of Eden, the place Lehi was commanded to go in the Tree of Life Vision.
The Phoenician experiment proved that Lehi and his family could sail south around the tip of Africa (where the Phoenicia was driven backward by the current and wind like Nephi speaks of) and naturally end up in the Gulf of Mexico around the Florida panhandle.
That is the more likely route for Lehi and his family.
The Polynesians definitely sailed to the "New World" and more than likely had contact with people from South America all the way up to Southern California.
I think Herodotus thought Lehi was a Phoenician. The man he is speaking about is Lehi himself. This means Lehi sailed around Africa and ended in Egypt. The Book of Mormon takes place in Africa. The Geography described by Herodotus is identical to Alma 22:32. This means the Book of Mormon is describing Africa.
The Lord always works from the east? Yes 32:37
How about that iron smelting, eh?
May your heart be with god
"Sweet potatoes." You interrupted your guest: we were given two ears and one tongue-therefore, we should listen twice as much as we speak!
Wood submarines with honeybees and glowing rocks seems a little far fetched to me but you guys do you.
What Columbus had going for him was the Gutenberg press, invented just a few decades before his journey.
Lake Superior area, there are very old copper mines.
Where is the copper ?
The ship that Captain Phillip Beale piloted, The Phoenician, is in Montrose Iowa, across the Mississippi River from Nauvoo Illinois. My wife and I spent two weeks working on the ship reconstruction two years ago and two weeks this year. Here is a link to more information about the ship, www.phoenicia.rocks/ We had a great time and the story of how and why it ended up in Montrose is fascinating.
There is a similitude with Nephi's storm and binding. Jesus was asleep on a boat with his disciples. Storm, fear of death, petition to save......Jesus being asleep was a form of binding. Put it all together and Jesus once again shared what no one else could know.
We may be separated by land, but connected by water
😂. Just about choked when he said "Aliens " 👽😳. No silly by 🛥. 😂😂😂.
"Aliens" is as realistic an explanation as the Joey Smith narrative.
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Have you tried the soap dish vessel?
Do you believe that the Jaredites, Lehite, Mulekites landed in Mesoamerica or the "heartland"?
Definitely the Heartland, much evidence check out the Hopwell civilization time line.
I believe we don't know.
One thing to remember is both Mesoamerican theory and heartland theory are both theories.
If man can build a "boat" and go to the moon, why couldn't man build a boat and go to another land?
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Have you not seen the journal of Christopher Jones in Orem utah
And of course landed in North America
I think that God inspires various people with similar inventions…such as how to build boats. That is obvious!! What works, works!! And early boats could not be anywhere near as sophisticated as the modern ones. I would like to see similarities in the boats, etc., of those early explorers who crossed, also compared to experimental ones from more modern days.
If Adam and Eve lived 6000 years ago, then how could there have been people in America 13,000 years ago?
Good point! These are the same so-called "scientists" who claim that life just magically created itself.
Young earth creationism is not official church doctrine. The church holds a neutral position on this topic, for good reason. It is possible to reconcile an ancient earth and evolution with our religious faith, though I can fully understand the reluctance of many church members to do so.
When Christ returns we will learn the truth of all things.
@@philandrews2860 The scriptures are very clear that the earth has a temporal or mortal existence of 7000 years. It is official doctrine taught and declared by all of the early prophets. D&C 77:7 clearly claims the earth will be 7000 in total. The bible timeline shows that the earth is 6000 years old, and in LDS seminary we were given bookmarks showing that the earth is only 6000 years old. One of the biggest smoking guns about how the LDS church (and christianity) is false is the science going against the young earth theory derived from the bible and LDS prophets and scriptures. The fact that his video claims to use "science" and history from over 6000 years ago is clearly misleading and the creators don't know the doctrines of their own church.
I believe most members believe in an old earth theory. Some believe the earth to only be 6,000 years old. It's all in how one interprets Doctrine and Covenants 77 vs 6 & 7.
31:46 naaa, with just a glance on it, it doesn't sound good. Possible yes, of course, but much less probable.
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Regarding the chickens, please see: Chicken DNA Challenges Theory That Polynesians Beat Europeans to Americas
New finding casts doubt on the theory that Polynesians made it to South America.
ByRoff Smith (National Geographic article, 2014)
@@NinaHansen2008 archeological finds in Aotearoa New Zealand, the kumara (sweet potato) was found and dated pre European time. The kumara was a prized Polynesian staple food. This vegetable could only have been brought from South America. Indigenous S.A name for the kumara is/ was Cumal or Cumar as some referencing suggest: CumaltoKumara-TheVoyageoftheSweetPotatoAcrossthePacificJennaHarburg.pdf
This video, like the others, conveniently leaves out the problems that don’t fit the theory.
First, let’s be clear. The raft-like ships of the Polynesians are not what the Book of Mormon is talking about. It’s talking about a vessel large enough to have sleeping quarters for around 20 people, plus enough provisions to feed all of them during a lengthy sea voyage.
The ships of the Phoenicians are more in line with that requirement, but you’ll notice the expert on Phoenician ships got his materials from Cyprus and Lebanon, not the southern Arabian coast. That’s because the type of trees that grow on the southern Arabian coast are not suitable for shipbuilding. Ironically, it was an Interpreter article that pointed this problem out:
"There is no evidence that shipbuilding timber ever grew in Oman, yet Nephi needed long straight hardwood to build a ship strong enough to survive an ocean crossing. Phillips notes in a précis that “Timber appropriate for building a conventional, ocean-going ship does not grow anywhere along the Omani coast and probably did not in the past. Trees are very scarce in the Dhofar, and those of significant size tend to yield gnarly, punky wood.”
Not only is the wood an issue, but it’s questionable whether a group of nomads who had spent eight years wandering in the desert would have had all the other materials necessary to build a ship as well.
The video talks about the DNA connection between Polynesia and the Americas, but fails to mention that there isn’t a DNA connection between the Middle East and the Americas. The majority of Native Americans descend from the peoples of East Asia who came to the Americas in pre-historic times. Since both Lehi’s and Mulek’s parties are alleged to have come from the Middle East in 600 BC, that presents a major problem for Book of Mormon historicity.
Everyone needs to do their own research.
This criticism of 'conveniently leaving out problems that don't fit the theory' cuts both ways.
Regarding the quote you included from the Interpreter Foundation article:
Later in that same section of that article it includes a very plausible explanation for the source of the timber that Nephi used to build his ship, which you conveniently left out of your comment. Here is a quote from that part of the article:
"Phillips adds: “If the ship were built at Khor Rori or even at Salalah, teak lumber from India was almost certainly available for purchase on the docks at Khor Rori.”
For those who want to read the entire publication at the Interpreter Foundation site and form their own conclusions, it is called "Khor Rori:
A Maritime Resources-Based Candidate for Nephi’s Harbor" by George D. Potter. He gives a good plausible case for Khor Rori and the adjacent Wadi Darbat area as very good candidates for the land Bountiful in the Book of Mormon, as described by Nephi as the place where they built the ship.
Regarding the DNA connection:
Latest mainstream scholarly articles on DNA and the Book of Mormon all pretty much agree that a very small incursion of Old World immigrants into an already fairly densely populated New World would not be expected to leave any trace in modern New World populations, especially after 2 major population bottlenecks (the Columbian Exchange and the extermination of the Nephite civilization). Even without those 2 bottlenecks, it would be unlikely to find a trace. The DNA argument from critics only applies to outdated assumptions that church members and some church leaders made in the past, based on a literalist reading of the text and cultural assumptions of a young earth, global flood, etc. True, the text doesn't directly mention 'others', but it also doesn't say specifically that there weren't other peoples there, and it does indirectly imply that there were others there before them. Since the text is primarily religious, and is written from the fairly narrow and biased perspective of an elite ruling, priestly lineage, it focuses specifically on that lineage. If we had a more history-based version of the story it would likely mention lots of details that would help us to find precise and definitive answers to all questions like this and others.
While it is true that Lebanon had better wood for shipbuilding, you are making an assumption that such wood was never available to people in S. Arabia. There is evidence of maritime travel between Egypt and S. Arabia (Oman region) well before Book of Mormon times. Also, there is evidence of Omani sailors navigating the old Maritime Silk Road between the Arabian Peninsula and the Far East as earlier as 400AD and likely earlier. Oman appears to have had some ports in antiquity, so how were ships built and repaired in such places unless they had access to materials to do so? Critics of the past called the Book of Mormon fake because it portrayed ocean crossings to America before Columbus, this film simply highlights that this is no longer a scientifically valid criticism. Ignoring this evidence and pivoting to another criticism is expected, but it is not good reasoning to just assert assumptions.
@@philandrews2860 There’s nothing remotely plausible about the Interpreter’s explanation of how Nephi got the lumber. It requires making things up that aren’t in the text. There’s no mention in the Book of Mormon of them encountering other people at Bountiful. Even if they did, how would they have afforded to purchase such a large amount of imported lumber? They were a bunch of nomads who had been wandering in the desert for eight years and left all their precious things behind in Jerusalem.
Your DNA explanation is also completely implausible. The Book of Mormon nowhere describes a smaller population merging into a larger native population. Lehi is very clear that there weren’t other inhabitants there because the Lord was preserving the land for the inheritance of the people he brought out of Jerusalem. (2 Nephi 1:8-9) Even after the people become so numerous that they cover the entire face of the land, there is still no mention of encounters with non-Israelite peoples.
Your explanation that the Book of Mormon just left something that important out because it doesn’t contain a lot of history is nonsense. From the time of King Benjamin to the coming of Christ it gives a very detailed history, and there is a substantial amount of history in the other parts of the book as well.
The bottleneck theory doesn’t work because there’s no evidence of Middle Eastern DNA in pre-Columbian skeletons either, and the Book of Mormon is clear that the Lamanites were supposed to survive to receive the gospel.
More than 100,000 samples of Native Americans have been analyzed now. The idea that Lamanite DNA is still hiding somewhere, at this point, is highly unlikely.
@@johnthompson8540 You ought to go read the Interpreter article. It's quite clear that the type of wood necessary for ship building did not grow in Oman. Yes, there were ports in Oman, but the point is they had to import the lumber for ship building because it didn't grow there.