I was 14 and had just started to go down every week to the Cardiff games and this had to be the day that we went on holiday to Pontins in Brean Sands. I was gutted as we were catching the train there as thousands of fans were coming into the City for the game. Took until Cardiff got into the Premier League before I saw them play Utd at home, a lot calmer then!
Fair play to Cardiff that day the whole of south Wales turned up .. valleys dockers headbangers from the estates..It was carnage I was 14 years old went on a supporters club coach.. Utd were everywhere charging about and Cardiff were doing the same fights everywhere..Gerry Daly penalty won the game i think we played in all white kit always looks good...I was with some older lads who looked after me thank God.. it must have been the biggest away following in Cardiff ever up to that point I doubt it's been bettered since.. Mad place but in the return game at Old Trafford Cardiff didn't bring any at all... Nothing..Zilch... Utd won the game 4-0 I think... Also I'm pretty sure Cardiff were not called the soul crew back then that came later probably late 70s early 80s highly respected but never done owt in Manchester... Definitely not in 74 either they must have been busy that day 😮
Here is my reply to another post in this thread. I guess this was down to two reasons. One, Cardiff didn't have an organised firm in those days. It wasn't until 1979 that the Soul Crew came into being, which united the various hooligan firms from around the City of Cardiff and the valleys. Secondly, United at the time (or rather the media) always used to give it large that they were going take over the town or City that they were playing and wreck it. We, Cardiff, never gave out that vibe back then. The City hooligans were quite satisfied with running Utd out of Cardiff,.
Sunderland brought around 14k in 1980. Not much trouble at that game though. I was only 5 in 74 so unfortunately too young to have been at Ninian Park that day.
I guess this was down to two reasons. One, Cardiff didn't have an organised firm in those days. It wasn't until 1979 that the Soul Crew came into being, which united the various hooligan firms from around the City of Cardiff and the valleys. Secondly, United at the time (or rather the media) always used to give it large that they were going take over the town or City that they were playing and wreck it. We, Cardiff, never gave out that vibe back then. The City hooligans were quite satisfied with running Utd out of Cardiff,.
@@Walesktf utd wernt organised back in the 70,s nobody was . Just a case of turning up at away games and causing mayhem that's the way it was. Do you actually honestly think if you'd have turned up at OT looking for it in those days you would have come out on top? I don't think so. Apart from city and the scouse maybe one or two more teams when segregation came in proper no away fans came up in any significant numbers. Including dear old Millwall
We not talking about the return game we talking about this game .why can't you just expect man utd got done by Cardiff not everyone from Wales not dock workers just Cardiff bash you up there's no shame in getting done by Cardiff
I think he just referred to it as Wetherspoons cos he couldn’t remember what it was then? As you probably know it was The Prince of Wales porno cinema lol
My recollection of this game was, as an 18 year old, was in the stand (opposite the main stand) with my two younger brothers. It was at the end to our left where both sets of fans were segregated by what look like chicken wire. There were outbreaks of violence during the game which was not interrupted. From what I heard, most of the trouble was before game after the United Special had arrived with United fans rampaging through the streets- evidence was seen on the way back to the station after the game. Before kick-off there was some unpleasant chanting from United fans relating from the Welsh disaster in '66 - I think it was. United certainly had fans that were attracted just for the violence, some coming from Europe.
Yeah, that’s why football was changed forever in the 90s to get rid of the lowlifes😂 now they are shuffling around on Zimmer frames eating slop and drinking leftovers in spoons😂 pathetic losers😂
I was 18 and took the day off work to go down to London. I initially was in the stand opposite the Cold Lane End, but it didn't look too safe, so I moved to the stand opposite the main stand but that didn't look safe either so I moved into the Cold Blow End. Admittedly there were few United fans in the ground at the time, but looking up at the top left hand corner at the opposite end a small group of United fans turned up, in particular a big black bloke but they were immediately set upon. I was in the CBL end when United scored the pen at the other end early in the 2nd half that won United the game. Foolishly, I cheered loudly and for the rest of the game I received some menacing looks, one was a bloke swinging a motor bike chain. I left 5 minutes early in the interest of self preservation - the only time I have ever left a game early. In the Home game a week or so earlier, I remember a group of Millwall fans, about 20-30 being guarded between the Development Association building and the Football Ground Station. Being someone who goes to games to watch and not fight, I don't recall seeing any violence before or after, possibly because very few Millwall fans turned up - rather like United fans at Millwall due to United fans smashing up the Special not long after leaving Stockport.
@@AndrewMarkely another one .no one is talking about the return game against little millwall we talking the home game .let's look at facts there's not one picture of the special train being smash up some of you say there was 2 trains some say it was a signal failure. I don't know how many trains hold let's just say 1 thousand maybe 2 thousand .the point is we're was everyone else all the cockney reds all the Surry lot your Manchester united the biggest club in the world who took over 10.000 everywhere who had the baddest hooligans reputation at that time but didn't show up against a small club in bermondsey who was getting 7 thousand at home games . I don't know why Manchester united bottle it but they didn't show up and that's a fact that your going to have to learn to live with .and the point of all this is went Manchester united give it large and say we was hardest in 70s these facts the no show at millwall and the battering by Cardiff says that you wasn't fact
@@littlefish1167...you were doing pretty well til you said we got battered at Cardiff...we didn't!!..they won some battles,and we won some..at the end of the day a draw was fair!..I admit at millwall that night we didn't do ourselves any justice..I lasted just 10 minutes before getting spanked and had to leave the ground and head back to Euston,seeing other reds there we were totally demoralised!..and yes we have had to live with that no show night!🙄👹
@@littlefish1167Cardiff an millwall living off one game at home against Utd is pathetic and for 50 years. Even Steven’s in Cardiff a don’t remember Cardiff travelling up a down the country en masse causing trouble for the decade nor Millwall.
@@redflag8970 you are some kind of mo Ron to think millwall and Cardiff haven't cause trouble since the 70s were as man utd as become just a complete joke since the 70s
Surely reading the comments here, Utds strength were just sheer numbers, 15k at home for Cardiff back then, you not going to get big numbers going away. At least they turned up at home against such numbers. But I do remember, one trip in the80s FA cup football special, Cardiff poor second division side, may average home gate 1’200, poor, but Millwall old Den Cold Blow Lane, 2000 Cardiff fans I was 15, scared as anything and excited as fcuk at same time. But numbers Cardiff didn’t have, generally and many years in lower divisions. But always turned out for all the big boys from the 1st division and all those crazy Londoners, West Ham Chelsea and northerners Leeds Burnley ect Birmingham to wolves stoke to Forrest, both Bristol sides , oh and those Swansea boys from the 80s and Newport. Different world wouldn’t want it now, but it was UK life back then even Police men beat up workers for fun, 😮 or was that just the miners 😂
I was at the game as a 14 year old school boy, in the Grange end. I started watching cardiff in 73. I still watch them to this day. It was mental that day against utd. non stop fighting from the time i got off the train from the Rhondda valleys to the long walk to the ground. Mental inside the stadium as well. Can i clean something up. That day utd started singing vile songs about aberfan. Then Cardiff returned the equally vile chant about Munich 58. That is a fact. The soul crew was established in the 1980s not 1970s. I went to the return fixture at old trafford. In the 70s cardiff boys would fight with Barry boys and Rhondda boys would fight with boys from the other valleys. Cardiff had the numbers in the 70s but had no structure. You had cardiff boys, Barry boys, Rhondda boys, other boys from the othe valleys, Bridgend, port talbot and Newport boys all doing their own thing. We weren't one big firm but splinter groups. I can remember dozens of utd boys being chased up sloper Road, past the bus depot. The only time in my 50 years following the city have i seen violence and a nasty vibe at Ninian park was, Chelsea in 83, Swansea and Leeds in 2002 in the fa cup. Utd had vast numbers, the same as Chelsea in 83. But Cardiff held their own.
That Monday night game millwall away the red army smashed the special train up and wouldn’t continue its journey Millwall came to old Trafford and got legged they hid in an old fire station police put rm on a train home for their own safety fact
@@daveankerr8786 why is it went every time a firms get done they just can't say we got done that day .they always have to say oh we beat them up went they came to our place .the facts are in this case there was a crowd of 18 000 that night and no one from Manchester turn up no cockney reds either this is Manchester united who didn't show up at little millwall fact
@@daveankerr8786 So they took 10000 to Cardiff but smashed A train up on the way to millwall, not gonna be that many on one train is there ? So what was the cockney reds excuse? You was a no show fact
One major point, this was five years before the Soul Crew came into being. As a 15 year old back then, those football supporters who followed City from Cardiff and the valleys were determined that that those from Manchester and the rest of the Utd supporters were NOT going to take over our capital city. And thus it proved. Utd more than met there match that day.
main difference being Utd turned up in huge numbers and gave as good as they got. no one would claim a definite result that day, no one would deny both sides dished it out & took it
Never understood Cockley reds, each to their own but why support a northern club? It's like someone from Manchester or the surrounding area following Arsenal
Thing is with Cardiff thay represent nearly the whole of wales, i no thay got 3littler clubs swansea wrexham Newport,but Cardiff have massive support, thay come from all over the valleys and the big houing estates of cardiff,the valleys have some really hard boys, and thay add to the numbers of the hard estates around Cardiff, cardiff and half. Of wales turn out when the big english come for a row,and trust thay will give you a row yo rember,,,
I was at Ashton Gate for the MU game, They most certainly did not take the old East End, yes there must have been in the region of 10'000 MU and they did smash up parts of East Street, but City fans more than held their own... You (MU) must have mixed up City with Rovers whose Tote End you did take... Oh, and we did the double over you 1-0 at ours and yours.
That is when the REAL trouble started that day. When Man Utd hooligans came out with that chant of Aberfan, there was literally murder in the air from the City hooligans
There's NO difference between Munich or Aberfan. ALL tragedy chants are wrong. If people get upset by them ( and rightly so) then don't start a tragedy chant yourself. Why don't Liverpool fans sing their famous song anymore?
Lots of bx bout this game,sure most of Cardiff and beyond had turned out for this,sure as well Cardiff did well,but so did united,both teams having it toe to toe,Cardiff winning some and united winning some...at the end of the day a draw was probably fair...but if nearly the whole of South Wales hadn't come out it would have been no contest..and obviously Cardiff didn't fancy the trip to o/t cos you could count their numbers in a taxi!...Cardiff was our hardest battle that year with millwall away being a total embarrassment!🤬👹
I was 14 and had just started to go down every week to the Cardiff games and this had to be the day that we went on holiday to Pontins in Brean Sands. I was gutted as we were catching the train there as thousands of fans were coming into the City for the game. Took until Cardiff got into the Premier League before I saw them play Utd at home, a lot calmer then!
Fair play to Cardiff that day the whole of south Wales turned up .. valleys dockers headbangers from the estates..It was carnage I was 14 years old went on a supporters club coach.. Utd were everywhere charging about and Cardiff were doing the same fights everywhere..Gerry Daly penalty won the game i think we played in all white kit always looks good...I was with some older lads who looked after me thank God.. it must have been the biggest away following in Cardiff ever up to that point I doubt it's been bettered since.. Mad place but in the return game at Old Trafford Cardiff didn't bring any at all... Nothing..Zilch... Utd won the game 4-0 I think... Also I'm pretty sure Cardiff were not called the soul crew back then that came later probably late 70s early 80s highly respected but never done owt in Manchester... Definitely not in 74 either they must have been busy that day 😮
Here is my reply to another post in this thread.
I guess this was down to two reasons. One, Cardiff didn't have an organised firm in those days. It wasn't until 1979 that the Soul Crew came into being, which united the various hooligan firms from around the City of Cardiff and the valleys. Secondly, United at the time (or rather the media) always used to give it large that they were going take over the town or City that they were playing and wreck it. We, Cardiff, never gave out that vibe back then. The City hooligans were quite satisfied with running Utd out of Cardiff,.
Sunderland brought around 14k in 1980. Not much trouble at that game though. I was only 5 in 74 so unfortunately too young to have been at Ninian Park that day.
@@jonesyboy69 ye seen that on tv great turnout by Sunderland. Think it was promotion game
@@redflag8970 Yeah Sunderland needed a win to go up. They had a home game after this and got promotion in that game instead 👍🏻
My mother wouldn't let me go.😂😂😂😂
I was there fair play to Cardiff, There was no Cardiff firm at Old Trafford in the return match.
I guess this was down to two reasons. One, Cardiff didn't have an organised firm in those days. It wasn't until 1979 that the Soul Crew came into being, which united the various hooligan firms from around the City of Cardiff and the valleys. Secondly, United at the time (or rather the media) always used to give it large that they were going take over the town or City that they were playing and wreck it. We, Cardiff, never gave out that vibe back then. The City hooligans were quite satisfied with running Utd out of Cardiff,.
@@Walesktf utd wernt organised back in the 70,s nobody was . Just a case of turning up at away games and causing mayhem that's the way it was. Do you actually honestly think if you'd have turned up at OT looking for it in those days you would have come out on top? I don't think so. Apart from city and the scouse maybe one or two more teams when segregation came in proper no away fans came up in any significant numbers. Including dear old Millwall
@@Walesktf no firms back then, cardiff didn't turn up for obvious reasons. OT was a nightmare for away fans back then
We not talking about the return game we talking about this game .why can't you just expect man utd got done by Cardiff not everyone from Wales not dock workers just Cardiff bash you up there's no shame in getting done by Cardiff
Cardiff didn’t bring a firm when in the premiership
he mentioned the pub opposite weatherspoons there was not such a thing as weatherspoons back then more bullshit
I think he just referred to it as Wetherspoons cos he couldn’t remember what it was then? As you probably know it was The Prince of Wales porno cinema lol
Yeah the only weatherspoon going in those days was the boxer Tim Weatherspoon! 🫡🫵
@@paulmcallister8948 Nope, it's Tim Witherspoon Paul and he didn't have his professional boxing debut until around 1979 - but I get your point...
My recollection of this game was, as an 18 year old, was in the stand (opposite the main stand) with my two younger brothers. It was at the end to our left where both sets of fans were segregated by what look like chicken wire. There were outbreaks of violence during the game which was not interrupted. From what I heard, most of the trouble was before game after the United Special had arrived with United fans rampaging through the streets- evidence was seen on the way back to the station after the game. Before kick-off there was some unpleasant chanting from United fans relating from the Welsh disaster in '66 - I think it was. United certainly had fans that were attracted just for the violence, some coming from Europe.
Was there 14 , we didn't have a firm in that era , was just your mate's , we met at the crossroads and it went
Man Utd red army Pioneers in taking over grounds not many away fans fancied coming to old Trafford in the mid 70s fact
Yeah, that’s why football was changed forever in the 90s to get rid of the lowlifes😂 now they are shuffling around on Zimmer frames eating slop and drinking leftovers in spoons😂 pathetic losers😂
Millwall could of been on the same scale if the special train didn’t get smashed up and had to return to Manchester as it was unsafe
I was 18 and took the day off work to go down to London. I initially was in the stand opposite the Cold Lane End, but it didn't look too safe, so I moved to the stand opposite the main stand but that didn't look safe either so I moved into the Cold Blow End. Admittedly there were few United fans in the ground at the time, but looking up at the top left hand corner at the opposite end a small group of United fans turned up, in particular a big black bloke but they were immediately set upon. I was in the CBL end when United scored the pen at the other end early in the 2nd half that won United the game. Foolishly, I cheered loudly and for the rest of the game I received some menacing looks, one was a bloke swinging a motor bike chain. I left 5 minutes early in the interest of self preservation - the only time I have ever left a game early. In the Home game a week or so earlier, I remember a group of Millwall fans, about 20-30 being guarded between the Development Association building and the Football Ground Station. Being someone who goes to games to watch and not fight, I don't recall seeing any violence before or after, possibly because very few Millwall fans turned up - rather like United fans at Millwall due to United fans smashing up the Special not long after leaving Stockport.
@@AndrewMarkely another one .no one is talking about the return game against little millwall we talking the home game .let's look at facts there's not one picture of the special train being smash up some of you say there was 2 trains some say it was a signal failure. I don't know how many trains hold let's just say 1 thousand maybe 2 thousand .the point is we're was everyone else all the cockney reds all the Surry lot your Manchester united the biggest club in the world who took over 10.000 everywhere who had the baddest hooligans reputation at that time but didn't show up against a small club in bermondsey who was getting 7 thousand at home games . I don't know why Manchester united bottle it but they didn't show up and that's a fact that your going to have to learn to live with .and the point of all this is went Manchester united give it large and say we was hardest in 70s these facts the no show at millwall and the battering by Cardiff says that you wasn't fact
@@littlefish1167...you were doing pretty well til you said we got battered at Cardiff...we didn't!!..they won some battles,and we won some..at the end of the day a draw was fair!..I admit at millwall that night we didn't do ourselves any justice..I lasted just 10 minutes before getting spanked and had to leave the ground and head back to Euston,seeing other reds there we were totally demoralised!..and yes we have had to live with that no show night!🙄👹
@@littlefish1167Cardiff an millwall living off one game at home against Utd is pathetic and for 50 years. Even Steven’s in Cardiff a don’t remember Cardiff travelling up a down the country en masse causing trouble for the decade nor Millwall.
@@redflag8970 you are some kind of mo Ron to think millwall and Cardiff haven't cause trouble since the 70s were as man utd as become just a complete joke since the 70s
Surely reading the comments here, Utds strength were just sheer numbers, 15k at home for Cardiff back then, you not going to get big numbers going away. At least they turned up at home against such numbers. But I do remember, one trip in the80s FA cup football special, Cardiff poor second division side, may average home gate 1’200, poor, but Millwall old Den Cold Blow Lane, 2000 Cardiff fans I was 15, scared as anything and excited as fcuk at same time. But numbers Cardiff didn’t have, generally and many years in lower divisions. But always turned out for all the big boys from the 1st division and all those crazy Londoners, West Ham Chelsea and northerners Leeds Burnley ect Birmingham to wolves stoke to Forrest, both Bristol sides , oh and those Swansea boys from the 80s and Newport. Different world wouldn’t want it now, but it was UK life back then even Police men beat up workers for fun, 😮 or was that just the miners 😂
Just the miners
I think most have respect for cardiff
I was at the game as a 14 year old school boy, in the Grange end. I started watching cardiff in 73. I still watch them to this day.
It was mental that day against utd. non stop fighting from the time i got off the train from the Rhondda valleys to the long walk to the ground. Mental inside the stadium as well. Can i clean something up. That day utd started singing vile songs about aberfan. Then Cardiff returned the equally vile chant about Munich 58. That is a fact.
The soul crew was established in the 1980s not 1970s.
I went to the return fixture at old trafford. In the 70s cardiff boys would fight with Barry boys and Rhondda boys would fight with boys from the other valleys. Cardiff had the numbers in the 70s but had no structure. You had cardiff boys, Barry boys, Rhondda boys, other boys from the othe valleys, Bridgend, port talbot and Newport boys all doing their own thing. We weren't one big firm but splinter groups. I can remember dozens of utd boys being chased up sloper Road, past the bus depot.
The only time in my 50 years following the city have i seen violence and a nasty vibe at Ninian park was, Chelsea in 83, Swansea and Leeds in 2002 in the fa cup. Utd had vast numbers, the same as Chelsea in 83. But Cardiff held their own.
utd were the same mate, no single organised firm or mob, just lots of individuals groups doing their own thing
Just another game that Utd went in numbers and there was loads of agro but a one off for Cardiff until Chelsea 84 .
They also played millwall that season and it was a no show from the red devils not even the cockney reds show up .but yet they took 10.000 to Cardiff
That Monday night game millwall away the red army smashed the special train up and wouldn’t continue its journey Millwall came to old Trafford and got legged they hid in an old fire station police put rm on a train home for their own safety fact
@@daveankerr8786 why is it went every time a firms get done they just can't say we got done that day .they always have to say oh we beat them up went they came to our place .the facts are in this case there was a crowd of 18 000 that night and no one from Manchester turn up no cockney reds either this is Manchester united who didn't show up at little millwall fact
@@daveankerr8786
So they took 10000 to Cardiff but smashed A train up on the way to millwall, not gonna be that many on one train is there ?
So what was the cockney reds excuse?
You was a no show fact
@@ianburridge619They’ve never showed at Millwall
@@ianburridge619 arguing about football violence from 40 years ago is crazy
Big Frankie.. Leader of the Grange-End.. he's still around.
10,000 Bay City Rollers fans.
went to a wales v england match at ninian park remember tony currie playing travelled down from manchester that was crazy as well
Wales V England in the 70s was always good,never much in it 🏴
were all getting on a bit now great days all the best@@davidjones-wt2qq
One major point, this was five years before the Soul Crew came into being.
As a 15 year old back then, those football supporters who followed City from Cardiff and the valleys were determined that that those from Manchester and the rest of the Utd supporters were NOT going to take over our capital city. And thus it proved. Utd more than met there match that day.
main difference being Utd turned up in huge numbers and gave as good as they got. no one would claim a definite result that day, no one would deny both sides dished it out & took it
@@rm-gi2mjgood post
I was there it was the utd fans who started singing aberfan city chanted back munich 58
They're good at chanting about disasters, just don't like it back
Bullshit Soul Crew didnt appear until 1982-3
I was there and concur with what you say .
Is this when United fans sang about aberfan?
Never understood Cockley reds, each to their own but why support a northern club? It's like someone from Manchester or the surrounding area following Arsenal
Man U from eveywhere on the planet
@@TobiasBaker-c5b I know mental I don't get supporting man u, if you come from London
In world War 2 there was English people who help the Germans there off spring are the Londoners who support Northern clubs today traitors
A lot of Leeds from London also
Worldwide aswell as mcr and Salford 😊
City soul crew later on just locals sticking 2gether
Thing is with Cardiff thay represent nearly the whole of wales, i no thay got 3littler clubs swansea wrexham Newport,but Cardiff have massive support, thay come from all over the valleys and the big houing estates of cardiff,the valleys have some really hard boys, and thay add to the numbers of the hard estates around Cardiff, cardiff and half. Of wales turn out when the big english come for a row,and trust thay will give you a row yo rember,,,
I was told 2 utd fans were thrown of bridge into the taff anyone else hear that
I was at Ashton Gate for the MU game, They most certainly did not take the old East End, yes there must have been in the region of 10'000 MU and they did smash up parts of East Street, but City fans more than held their own... You (MU) must have mixed up City with Rovers whose Tote End you did take... Oh, and we did the double over you 1-0 at ours and yours.
FFS Wetherspoons didnt exist in 1970s
Not too many men in those pictures. Just a bunch of out of control snotty kids.
When working class youngsters went the game
Hooligans are not tough.
Witherspoon?
AI generated story?
I was there. Great weekend.
chanting about aberfan is the lowest sickest chant imaginable, munich chants are wrong but that is a disgrace if true
Lesson learnt then … Don’t Sing About Munich !
That is when the REAL trouble started that day. When Man Utd hooligans came out with that chant of Aberfan, there was literally murder in the air from the City hooligans
I was there both chants happened but don’t make it right
I first started watching Cardiff in 79. You’d hear it from opposing fans then. Thankfully not heard anymore
There's NO difference between Munich or Aberfan. ALL tragedy chants are wrong. If people get upset by them ( and rightly so) then don't start a tragedy chant yourself. Why don't Liverpool fans sing their famous song anymore?
Cardiff dockers had the Utd fans running back to the station hilarious to watch as a kid🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Stop talking shite Numbskull,the only thing they were chasing was Sheep
Lots of bx bout this game,sure most of Cardiff and beyond had turned out for this,sure as well Cardiff did well,but so did united,both teams having it toe to toe,Cardiff winning some and united winning some...at the end of the day a draw was probably fair...but if nearly the whole of South Wales hadn't come out it would have been no contest..and obviously Cardiff didn't fancy the trip to o/t cos you could count their numbers in a taxi!...Cardiff was our hardest battle that year with millwall away being a total embarrassment!🤬👹
keep posting it mate, it might come true
Red army wunch of bankers
Yeah and Chelsea ,a bunch of R. ent boys.
Even old bill started shaking when the red army were on their way 😆 🤣 😂