Gaius once again does a great job of explaining the differences, I subscribed to the online class and have taken in person classes now many years ago. Goal is to cut my frame before I am worm food :)
Yes this was a good talk because it answered some questions that were developing as I think more and more about sawing my timber frame. I plan to saw my beams using the Alaskan edging mill like your dad Pat has done. I plan to work slow and careful and keep a sharp chain. Do you have any other hints to end up with a nice perfectly square timber?
Learning scribe methods first has helped to recognize settlement in the end grain vs horizontal shrinking.. I have learned to put settling jacks in posts so the structure settles evenly. I have found 1 1/2 “of settling is normal at 8 ‘ heights . All vertical post’s must have settling jacks for even settling
I came in a couple weeks ago. I plan on taking class next year. But i plan to mill my own lumber and it may take a while for the actual build. If you teach mill rule, how will i be capable of build if mill rule will not apply as my timbers may change as they age? I believe scribe rule will be more applicable for me. Is this something that can be addessed so im more confident in my skills? Id hate to make a lot of expensive mistakes once i get started.
Many of our students mill their own lumber! We find that if timbers are sealed and stacked properly they do not twist enough to effect installation. That being said, our Purely Post & Beam course is focused on mill rule, so it is worth considering if that is what you are interested learning about. We certainly think it is.
I’ve been very interested in taking shelter institute classes for a long time now. Planning on doing it “soon”. But I also really like to learn more about the scribe rule method. I know this is kinda, archaic, but any chance of adding this as a topic on the on line class? Also any good references (Eg books) on the topic
I don't know of any books dealing with the topic of the Scribe Rule but Jack Sobon has a couple of books that talk about the Square Rule. and Dovetail Timberworks is hopefully in the process of posting a video about the different rules (Mill, Square, Line, Scribe, etc) along with some he has modified. And Forestryforum is a good resource as well. I'm not sure why but it's really hard locating information on this topic and it would be amazing if someone posted a howto
Pretty odd to leave out the method most used by the Japanese, considered they have mastered this craft like no one else and have a very accurate and logical layout system.
Look in general you have no clue about scribe rule and just want to promote/sell you sitting timber, leave the the good stuff to people who know how to do scribe and don't try to degreed there knowledge by promoting square timber because you're are ignored of other ways off joining timber
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I’ve been a Sawyer for 12+ years, he’s spot on with his tips.
Thanks for sharing. When experts back eachother up it combats misinformation from spreading.
Gaius once again does a great job of explaining the differences, I subscribed to the online class and have taken in person classes now many years ago. Goal is to cut my frame before I am worm food :)
Great info. Would have been even better with visual examples, but I really appreciate what was presented here. TY!!!
Yes this was a good talk because it answered some questions that were developing as I think more and more about sawing my timber frame. I plan to saw my beams using the Alaskan edging mill like your dad Pat has done. I plan to work slow and careful and keep a sharp chain. Do you have any other hints to end up with a nice perfectly square timber?
Learning scribe methods first has helped to recognize settlement in the end grain vs horizontal shrinking.. I have learned to put settling jacks in posts so the structure settles evenly. I have found 1 1/2 “of settling is normal at 8 ‘ heights . All vertical post’s must have settling jacks for even settling
I came in a couple weeks ago. I plan on taking class next year. But i plan to mill my own lumber and it may take a while for the actual build. If you teach mill rule, how will i be capable of build if mill rule will not apply as my timbers may change as they age? I believe scribe rule will be more applicable for me. Is this something that can be addessed so im more confident in my skills? Id hate to make a lot of expensive mistakes once i get started.
Many of our students mill their own lumber! We find that if timbers are sealed and stacked properly they do not twist enough to effect installation.
That being said, our Purely Post & Beam course is focused on mill rule, so it is worth considering if that is what you are interested learning about. We certainly think it is.
I’ve been very interested in taking shelter institute classes for a long time now. Planning on doing it “soon”. But I also really like to learn more about the scribe rule method. I know this is kinda, archaic, but any chance of adding this as a topic on the on line class?
Also any good references (Eg books) on the topic
I don't know of any books dealing with the topic of the Scribe Rule but Jack Sobon has a couple of books that talk about the Square Rule. and Dovetail Timberworks is hopefully in the process of posting a video about the different rules (Mill, Square, Line, Scribe, etc) along with some he has modified. And Forestryforum is a good resource as well. I'm not sure why but it's really hard locating information on this topic and it would be amazing if someone posted a howto
What mill do you get your timber from that uses a 4 sided planer....that seems to be a rare occurence...
What about line rule?
Pretty odd to leave out the method most used by the Japanese, considered they have mastered this craft like no one else and have a very accurate and logical layout system.
i think square rule and scribe are best... don't have to rely on perfect timbers which are going to jack your prices up
Scribe rule is the unicorn of joinery yet not one decent video has ever been produced.
Check this one out: th-cam.com/video/lqvN7Xh6qNg/w-d-xo.html
What is the best book on the technique?
dude clearly does not know the scribe rule
Look in general you have no clue about scribe rule and just want to promote/sell you sitting timber, leave the the good stuff to people who know how to do scribe and don't try to degreed there knowledge by promoting square timber because you're are ignored of other ways off joining timber