You saved my life yesterday morning you wonderful person! I had lent my new brompton T-Line 12-speed to a guest and we woke up to a flat rear wheel!! We were due to ride a 35-mile charity bike ride. Your calm and friendly explanation was just what I needed to get me to feel confident about mending it. I found there was not much difference between the P-line and the T-Line 12-speed. My friend didn't have a problem with the gearing on the ride, but i would love to see your video about sorting out gearing in case it does develop. Thanks so so much!!!
So so glad it helped! Thank you for watching! We have made a video on adjusting the four speed th-cam.com/video/IrBFNRz15ck/w-d-xo.htmlsi=83xr1xjfQlekpF3q And setting up hub gears th-cam.com/video/-mGfuqxilO4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pnMghPI5JW72Fl-G The hub gears are as on a 6 speed but the 12 speed is in essence the same. Hope this helps!
@@brilliantbikes Your explanatory videos are soooo flipping good!!! I was a bit scared of travelling with my Brompton, but feel quite confident now that I can crack on. Thanks so much!!!
8:04 captures accidental renaissance with a lone trolley juxtaposed the red brick! 😆 I have to say hanging the bike from trolley along with a tree and benches etc in previous has really made me look at my surrounding environment differently - as mobile workshops. Great video again nice to have somewhere with more info on 12 speed
Finally, I took mine out for a ride. It's been a mild winter in Toronto. But, I always wait for the cake of salt to be washed away from the roads. I'm a fool with the pump. I detach it from the frame just to carry it in a make shift toolkit with no weight reduction. I will place it back.
I back the knurled nut off the cable anchor/gear indicator linkage only a 1/4 turn and have marked its position with a permanent marker so when you put it all back together you don’t have to retune the gears.
Can you do an updated video on setting the hub gearing on a P-Line 12speed? I've found ours has a washer that obscures the window and it is no longer possible to check for 1mm rod clearance when in 2nd gear. What else to look for?
I like to carry those condom gloves in the frame. Usually a chicken or crab place will have them. Quite compact in a square package and inside is 2 gloves to handle emergency work
@@brilliantbikes the most logical comparison (IMHO) would be with the 6-speed Brompton, as it also has the combination of derailleur with the internal hub. Is the extra gear range (from 302% to 402%) useful? And what about the gears 4&5 and 8&9? As they almost overlap, they seem quite redundant, don't they? Food for thought...🤔
... Way too minimalist to carry a toolkit, a portable pump and a spare tube along... I'd fold it, get into that train to work and replace it in the evening at home... Process quite similar to the C-Line.
If just releasing the "security nut" from the changer, You won't need to make basic adjustments, when reassembling the gears again! And is the "12 speed" just - 4 chainwheels and a new changer, opposed to my 6 speed, with - two chain wheels? I do suppose that more time are spent changing gears, than riding the bike, with all those to chose from? I honestly hardly know for what use I have my low gears, of my 6, till I met an absurd serpentine road, and had to walk on top! And riding with a speed, which I could easily walk faster, I find a little "funny"! Finn. Denmark
I still find my 6 speed more than enough for my use and I do have difficulty in finding use for the 3 low gears at all!! Being able to walk faster going up a steep hill, when riding my Brompton, I find at best, funny! Finn. Denmark
@@brilliantbikes 😄I remember - once I had a need for my my lowest gears of 6, on the Danish Island of Bornholm, and I had to - walk on top to be able to continue up a steep serpentine road, with frequent "cattle bars" crossing the road, to keep the wild life in the area! I must admit that being able to -walk faster going up, than riding my bike, seems at best, a little funny! I know of a few places, one also on the same island, from a small town by the sea going up (Gudhjem), and a famous one in the town of Vejle in Jutland, which is similar steep (There may easily be some more? The road in Vejle is often used during road racing for bikes, just for cruelty!). But buying a special bike just to be able to ride up those, seems a little too much, as they are still only a very few! I still like my 2019 much modified "SuperlightM6LXBrompton" (soon to be even more modified down to about 8 kilo (?) and still with my mudguards!). Finn. Denmark 😁
"Liked", particularly the excellent trolley tip. Should the indicator actually be screwed fully home? I have always backed mine off by half a turn or so but I don't immediately recall why.
They stopped coming with a pump? My 6speeed came with one attached to the rear triangle. Never used it but it's there should I feel the need for a workout over using a track pump 😅
Thanks for watching - and the comment The pump has gradually been "phased out" - for a while the 6 speed still had one, but it doesn't seem to be configured as standard on the Brompton configurator any longer
Maybe a silly question, but when I took off the rear wheel of my 12 speed tline. I noticed that the tabbed washer's "teeth" are indented on the side of the dropout. Is that expected or did I torque the nut too hard?
I have a 2006 M3L. Converted to a 6 speed by a previous owner retaining the three speed spec sram hub. I have now upgraded to 12 gears with a lite pro 53 tooth 130 bcd chain set with a 40 tooth chainring piggybacked onto it-braze on type old school suntour front derailiure and suntour non indexed ratchet lever. This attaches using a bracket from aliexpress, shimmed to fit with copper strip. It works well, and with 18 and 15 tooth sprockets on the rear gives me 26.8-77.3 gear inches. A little on the low side overall, but here in Cornwall and not being particularly fit it’s a must! Probably cost me about £75 in total and several hours of fiddling to get it to run sweetly! May prove a better option on a 2008 machine……
Nobody’s going to think you’re a basket case or off your trolley , there are times in life when a bit of rough is needed = semi rough is ok also. Are you going to do a video comparing six speed to 12speed at some point ? Surprised nobody has come up with an idea of fitting a pump in the seat tube, I think they all come with bungs at the bottom of the tube, have some kind of inner tube to stop it rattling = of course it might be a rubbish idea but who knows it might open up a window of opportunity, song for the video = Basket Case = Green Day.
It’s hard to find a pump that fits in the narrow space. I have a cheapo pump in the frame but it only goes to about 40psi which is not enough but better than nothing. Weighs almost nothing Then I have a lezyne which is so much better that goes to 100psi but doesn’t fit anywhere but it’s only holder that attaches to a bottle cage. So far lucky to be able to call a car with flat tires.
@@SingaporeUntold Because there’s different places with in the Brompton one could have a pump example they have an internal place for the tool kit , Brompton might have one of the biggest after market products there is with the bike industry, one would of thought that having or carrying an internal pump would of been on someone’s radar = when you open up the middle catch = tool kit the longer inside would accommodate a pump with a decent psi rather than a lower psi , curious why nobody have thought of this before.
@@SingaporeUntold Yes I know , I have a Brompton which has a pump connected to the frame , that was not my point = just thinking of another way of carrying a pump within the Brompton = rather than thinking out of the box thought I would think inside the box.
@@kavanobrien6547 if you find a pump that fits let us know. I just got some cheapo one in the frame. I rarely have flats. Only when trying tpu but when back to butyl it’s been reliable 🤞🏻
You saved my life yesterday morning you wonderful person! I had lent my new brompton T-Line 12-speed to a guest and we woke up to a flat rear wheel!! We were due to ride a 35-mile charity bike ride. Your calm and friendly explanation was just what I needed to get me to feel confident about mending it. I found there was not much difference between the P-line and the T-Line 12-speed. My friend didn't have a problem with the gearing on the ride, but i would love to see your video about sorting out gearing in case it does develop. Thanks so so much!!!
So so glad it helped! Thank you for watching!
We have made a video on adjusting the four speed
th-cam.com/video/IrBFNRz15ck/w-d-xo.htmlsi=83xr1xjfQlekpF3q
And setting up hub gears
th-cam.com/video/-mGfuqxilO4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pnMghPI5JW72Fl-G
The hub gears are as on a 6 speed but the 12 speed is in essence the same.
Hope this helps!
@@brilliantbikes Your explanatory videos are soooo flipping good!!! I was a bit scared of travelling with my Brompton, but feel quite confident now that I can crack on. Thanks so much!!!
8:04 captures accidental renaissance with a lone trolley juxtaposed the red brick! 😆 I have to say hanging the bike from trolley along with a tree and benches etc in previous has really made me look at my surrounding environment differently - as mobile workshops. Great video again nice to have somewhere with more info on 12 speed
Thanks so much for watching!
Yes funny how trying to think of interesting places to film makes you see things differently!
It’s nice to see that you no longer needs to remove the chain tensioner. Great video, as always
Yes it is easier!!
Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikes Any news on the C line getting the new rear triangle like the electric C line?
Finally, I took mine out for a ride.
It's been a mild winter in Toronto. But, I always wait for the cake of salt to be washed away from the roads.
I'm a fool with the pump. I detach it from the frame just to carry it in a make shift toolkit with no weight reduction. I will place it back.
Thanks for watching! As long as you have it!
Captivating video and presenter. Can’t wait to see more
Thank you and thanks you for watching l!!
I back the knurled nut off the cable anchor/gear indicator linkage only a 1/4 turn and have marked its position with a permanent marker so when you put it all back together you don’t have to retune the gears.
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Love watching your videos as you are very informative, funny and sorry to sound weird but beautiful with it too
Thanks for watching and for the comment! Weird 😂
Nut cap ! That's what I call my helmet ! Very nice video 👍 ..
😂 thanks for watching!
Can you do an updated video on setting the hub gearing on a P-Line 12speed? I've found ours has a washer that obscures the window and it is no longer possible to check for 1mm rod clearance when in 2nd gear. What else to look for?
Thanks!
Thank you so much! Hope it helped!!!
Thank you from Vienna👍
Thank you for watching!!!
Yay you’re wearing your orange POC helmet- looks a little different though. Am waiting for you to do a comparison with the old superlight
It’s the same helmet, just has a London Brompton Club sticker on the back. Oh a Superlight versus P line comparison?
Hello,
Useful info, I can imagine some people (me included) get in a pickle refitting the wheel...
Take care.
Paul,,
Particularly if the repairer has reinflated the tyre so that it won't now go past the brake blocks when trying to reinstall the wheel........
Thanks both for watching! It is the chain routing that was a bit tricky.
I like to carry those condom gloves in the frame. Usually a chicken or crab place will have them. Quite compact in a square package and inside is 2 gloves to handle emergency work
Now they sound cool! Thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
interesting an funny as usual; I can’t wait to see the 12-speed P-line review…
Many thanks for watching! I am looking forward to making it! What would you like it compared too?
@@brilliantbikes the most logical comparison (IMHO) would be with the 6-speed Brompton, as it also has the combination of derailleur with the internal hub. Is the extra gear range (from 302% to 402%) useful? And what about the gears 4&5 and 8&9? As they almost overlap, they seem quite redundant, don't they? Food for thought...🤔
... Way too minimalist to carry a toolkit, a portable pump and a spare tube along... I'd fold it, get into that train to work and replace it in the evening at home... Process quite similar to the C-Line.
Thanks for watching!
If just releasing the "security nut" from the changer, You won't need to make basic adjustments, when reassembling the gears again! And is the "12 speed" just - 4 chainwheels and a new changer, opposed to my 6 speed, with - two chain wheels?
I do suppose that more time are spent changing gears, than riding the bike, with all those to chose from?
I honestly hardly know for what use I have my low gears, of my 6, till I met an absurd serpentine road, and had to walk on top!
And riding with a speed, which I could easily walk faster, I find a little "funny"! Finn. Denmark
I still find my 6 speed more than enough for my use and I do have difficulty in finding use for the 3 low gears at all!! Being able to walk faster going up a steep hill, when riding my Brompton, I find at best, funny! Finn. Denmark
Thanks for watching!
The 12 speed does give you lower gearing
@@brilliantbikes 😄I remember - once I had a need for my my lowest gears of 6, on the Danish Island of Bornholm, and I had to - walk on top to be able to continue up a steep serpentine road, with frequent "cattle bars" crossing the road, to keep the wild life in the area! I must admit that being able to -walk faster going up, than riding my bike, seems at best, a little funny!
I know of a few places, one also on the same island, from a small town by the sea going up (Gudhjem), and a famous one in the town of Vejle in Jutland, which is similar steep (There may easily be some more? The road in Vejle is often used during road racing for bikes, just for cruelty!).
But buying a special bike just to be able to ride up those, seems a little too much, as they are still only a very few!
I still like my 2019 much modified "SuperlightM6LXBrompton" (soon to be even more modified down to about 8 kilo (?) and still with my mudguards!). Finn. Denmark 😁
"Liked", particularly the excellent trolley tip. Should the indicator actually be screwed fully home? I have always backed mine off by half a turn or so but I don't immediately recall why.
Thanks for watching - and the comment
Yes - we often back it off just a but - so the chain can bend in the direction of the cable anchor
Are there any torque specifications for all fasteners mentioned in this video?
They stopped coming with a pump? My 6speeed came with one attached to the rear triangle. Never used it but it's there should I feel the need for a workout over using a track pump 😅
Thanks for watching - and the comment
The pump has gradually been "phased out" - for a while the 6 speed still had one, but it doesn't seem to be configured as standard on the Brompton configurator any longer
Maybe a silly question, but when I took off the rear wheel of my 12 speed tline. I noticed that the tabbed washer's "teeth" are indented on the side of the dropout. Is that expected or did I torque the nut too hard?
There’s a decent bike shop very close to Sunningdale Station, they would have helped! Name escapes me …… 😂
Thankfully they came to my rescue! Thanks for watching!
Just turn the bike upside down on a clean and flat underground so that you do not damage the saddle and handlebars
Thanks for watching and the suggestion, we were having a bit of fun 😀
Do all shopping trolley self-scanner holders fit the seat post ? If not, which do not ?
lol! Now we have a testing mission! Waitrose currently preferred for a work stand. Thanks for watching!!
nice video, and i like the helmet? can you post the brand name for it ? thx
Many thanks for watching! It’s a POC, but that model is sadly discontinued🥲
@@brilliantbikes aww, sadly ~.
Wouldn’t step 1 to be make sure you have your Brompton Toolkit?
lol! Toolkit and pump, the second I failed on for that video!
Thanks for watching!
Hi Brilliant Bikes, love your videos, I was wondering if it is possible to upgrade a older 2008 3 gear Brompton M3L to have 12 gears
I have a 2006 M3L. Converted to a 6 speed by a previous owner retaining the three speed spec sram hub. I have now upgraded to 12 gears with a lite pro 53 tooth 130 bcd chain set with a 40 tooth chainring piggybacked onto it-braze on type old school suntour front derailiure and suntour non indexed ratchet lever. This attaches using a bracket from aliexpress, shimmed to fit with copper strip. It works well, and with 18 and 15 tooth sprockets on the rear gives me 26.8-77.3 gear inches. A little on the low side overall, but here in Cornwall and not being particularly fit it’s a must! Probably cost me about £75 in total and several hours of fiddling to get it to run sweetly! May prove a better option on a 2008 machine……
@@martinkent9115 thanks very much for the information
Thanks both for watching and for your comments
🙂👍
Thanks for watching!
Does the tool kit come with the Brompton when u purchase the bike.
Very much doubt it 😢
No, (£65)
No - it’s the ‘must have accessory’
Thanks for watching
So, actually slightly easier rearwheel handling than the 6-speed. Hmm.. that's interesting.
The tools are not that good but they are always with you so better than not having tools
Only keep the parts in your helmet if you want grease in your hair… 😂
It’s great if you forgot your styling products….. thanks for watching! It’s funny when you don’t have a spare parts tray…
Nobody’s going to think you’re a basket case or off your trolley , there are times in life when a bit of rough is needed = semi rough is ok also. Are you going to do a video comparing six speed to 12speed at some point ? Surprised nobody has come up with an idea of fitting a pump in the seat tube, I think they all come with bungs at the bottom of the tube, have some kind of inner tube to stop it rattling = of course it might be a rubbish idea but who knows it might open up a window of opportunity, song for the video = Basket Case = Green Day.
It’s hard to find a pump that fits in the narrow space. I have a cheapo pump in the frame but it only goes to about 40psi which is not enough but better than nothing. Weighs almost nothing
Then I have a lezyne which is so much better that goes to 100psi but doesn’t fit anywhere but it’s only holder that attaches to a bottle cage.
So far lucky to be able to call a car with flat tires.
@@SingaporeUntold Because there’s different places with in the Brompton one could have a pump example they have an internal place for the tool kit , Brompton might have one of the biggest after market products there is with the bike industry, one would of thought that having or carrying an internal pump would of been on someone’s radar = when you open up the middle catch = tool kit the longer inside would accommodate a pump with a decent psi rather than a lower psi , curious why nobody have thought of this before.
@@kavanobrien6547 they have an external pump
@@SingaporeUntold Yes I know , I have a Brompton which has a pump connected to the frame , that was not my point = just thinking of another way of carrying a pump within the Brompton = rather than thinking out of the box thought I would think inside the box.
@@kavanobrien6547 if you find a pump that fits let us know. I just got some cheapo one in the frame. I rarely have flats. Only when trying tpu but when back to butyl it’s been reliable 🤞🏻
Hope, I will never need it 😅
Fingers crossed!
Thanks for watching!