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The Fullback is not dead, just evolved. In 1959-1967 The Packers Fullback was Jim Taylor: 6-0 210 Halfback was Paul Hornung 6-3 235 The way Fullbacks and Halfbacks were used were not always equal. Fullbacks were the main ball carriers, the Halfback did more of the dirty work, this example can be seen with the Dolphins backfield FB Larry Csonka 6-3 235 HB Jim Kiick 5-11 220 HB Mercury Morris 5-10 205 Jim Kiick was the blocker and short yardage back, Larry was the bull who carried the rock more. Same with the Steelers backfield FB 6-3 230 Franco Harris HB 5-10 215 Rocky Bleier Rocky was more compact, making him a better blocker, and he was great at short yardage too. If you look where these guys were lining up, they were always 3-5 yards to the QB making for a very quick hitting offense. One would dive, the other would buck, one would slash the other would juke, making it difficult to know who had the ball for the first 2 or 3 seconds. So the Fullback and Halfback weren't always blocking for the other, but most of the time being a decoy when they weren't carrying the rock. If I were to set up an offense, I would set it up this way. It takes the quick hit, confusion and razzle dazzle of the T formation, but with the outside opportunity of the pro set offense
Umm.....yeah. Fuck yeah, actually. That sounds like one hell of a combo on the back end of the larger part of a 12 pack & half pint of JD. And now that it’s in my brain, that’s too goddamn good an idea to pass on. I need to go put chimichangas in the oven real quick before I get into this, hold my beer
I love fullbacks. One of my favorites was John Conner on the Giants in 2013. He was such a beast. Very random and underrated player. He was fantastic, but didn't stick around bc hey, he was a traditional fullback :(
He was the epitome of a Belichick player - an undrafted special teams dude who can play multiple positions? Bill must have been salivating when he found him
The days when offenses would line up in I Formation was so nice... We were guaranteed to see either a FB or LB get absolutely deleted. Mike Alstott was the last great running FB & Lorenzo Neal was the greatest blocking FB; while Mack Strong & Tony Richardson were exceptionally solid on a yearly basis. With the game having transitioned into a passing league & players getting slimmer & faster a FB actually is much more deadly in this game than ever before in my opinion. You throw a 5'8-6'2 230-260lbs Ball of muscle at a LB or doen safety & what the hell are they gonna do? There's only a handful of defenders that'll win that battle & an even smaller number will do it on a consistent basis! But alas, those days are long & gone. Hell, ask a average football fan to name a few full backs & they'll look at you like Eli Manning on a sideline cam.
That is a pretty good point, using big beefy bodys on the field now might work better especially against the skinnier LBs, but I feel teams would rather just have another TE/WR to make the play less predictable, as I’m sure most of the time if a fullback is in they are gonna think protect the run
You’re absolutely right. Another caveat to your point is that with how poor tackling has become today, a FB would clean up shop after he gets passed the D line
@@kingofgrim4761 A TE that can block, carry, or pass is hard to deal with, but there aren't many players who are legitimately good at all 3. Even someone above average (at the pro level) at two is rare. If you have a good passing game expected yards is still higher passing than throwing. But there will come a point where defenses keep getting smaller/faster and runs more rare where run plays start doing equally well as pass plays on average.
man there was nothing better then a good fullback back in the day When the ravens won the super bowl in 2013 man i loved Vonta Leach. The dude was a beast but he had the hands to be decent out of the back field to
I know the pain, I was a fullback in high school, and my senior year they dumped the position to switch to a spread offense and I was forced to play linebacker which I sucked at cuz I have only played fullback
Lotta small tight ends are basically fullbacks, colleges and high schools have started to use them as “Hbacks” where they are essentially FB/TE hybrids carrying out the task of the fullback’s lead blocking in the run game and tight ends in passing game
Same heee I wanted to play fullback but I had to play o line bc we didn’t run it and I was 180 lbs and wanted to play linebacker and running back or that bro
@@PaulGaither yes I agree the Maddens from almost 20 years ago are miles better than this dog shit virtual casino they release today.. thats sad as shit
@@stackbundles7058 - I still play those versions on my classic Xbox and Xbox 360. And the NCAA games and so forth. Aside from Madden, modern gaming is also casino - loot box - micro transactions dog shit. Those older games had to be playable out of the box.
@@auz2430 Yeah I think they're definitely going to flex with him, he's useful with Nick Boyle starting to get up there in age but I loved that in his interview after the draft Mason singled out Ricard as a model
@@loganmoreau7569 I'm not saying he's bad because he's not - but I do have to make the joke and point out he's definitely top 5 cause there's only about 5 of them left in the league 😆
One thing I've noticed in the NFL these days is that position names, ie "You're a tight end", are only important for the purposes of pay scale. A player may actually play in a game in multiple roles. The team will designate them a certain way in order to avoid paying them as much as the team would have to pay someone at a more expensive position. So it could turn out that a lot of positions will slowly disappear as position names get consolidated. The runningback/fullback/tight end may become just one position, played multiple ways. If you're a player the only thing being called a tight end means is that the team doesn't have to pay you as much as if you were called a wide receiver, but the team may still use you as a wide receiver. How long are players going to put up with that?
Definitely true, money is all important in the NFL. Greg Schiano said that in the college locker room, the most respected guy is the best player. In an NFL locker room, the most respected guy is the one with the biggest contract.
Brandon Allen your making the nation look bad bro, Neal was decent and so is rivers, herbert is nice who they got and the wr Allen. Come now we got to have respect as RAIDER NATION. Just win baby
The fullback: basically what anyone who doesn’t watch football thinks about football players Edit: This do be my most liked comment ever so ummm thank you
I loved Lorenzo Neal. I remember a play where he didn't have someone in front of him to block, so instead of making his way up field with LT like a convoy he turned around and ran 5 yards back towards the line of scrimmage just to crack someone. Dude loved contact haha.
Belichick still uses fullbacks. When you have a small defense set up for the pass, it's hard to stop a fullback with two TE's, all of whom can also catch a pass.
Although it has been fun to watch personnel trends change over time, I miss the days of Vonta Leach, Marcel Reece, and John Kuhn consistently being relied on to create holes for their teammates.
In my Canadian highschool we had a surplus of good o linemen in my senior year. Took the most athletic one who went on to play some university ball at o line and made him a fullback. We called him binky. I was TE and had so many great views of this dude just crushing poor candian highschoolers
Aye bro my Canadian high school didn’t have football even though he had the field for it. Pissed off, our team if all the athletic mfs joined would’ve been crazy!
Apologies for the awkward cut at 7:39, attempting to use the 'trim' feature to remove a copyright claim on the video, but with the editing system being a bit clunky it left a bit of the original clip at the end.
I feel like as long as the "pocket style" QB still exists so will the Full Back as we know it. Even triple option teams still use full backs, but they get leaner and leaner body types that maybe in the 2000s would have been tail backs in a single back offense. Love the video!
Being a patriots fan I always loved seeing James Develin on the field.. the guy was a joy to watch .. it was like watching a truck running over barricades... I was sad on the day of his retirement
It was all about the Triplets in Dallas during the early 90's but I was always a fan of Darryl "Moose" Johnson. I never really thought about the FB position since then so thanks for explaining :-)
@Mound Builder Is that what you think, a fullback was a blocker. He was a rushing fullback cuz those existed back then now fullbacks are mostly used for blocking.
@Mound Builder I do my research. You live in your own Inclosed world were you believe the shit that you here every if it's biased or fake. Fullbacks weren't blockers you just want to see the past as if is the present. You hear fullback and see a blocker nothing else.
I think that the Raiders are a great example on how to use a fullback, I mean Alec Ingold is in for most of the running plays for them, and is also a threat in the passing game.
And you wonder why they suck. Gruden is like the Bob Knight of football. The game has changed and he refuses to adapt. His spider Y Banana is nonsense. Great I give a fat guy the ball in the flat. Rule of thumb should be if a LB can cover you 1 on 1, I don't want you as a RB or TE.
Funny you post this when Alec Ingold announced 2 picks for my Raiders tonight, one of the last fullbacks in the NFL. Some of my favorite players growing up like Mike Alstott and Jon Ritchie were fullbacks. Another great vid.
@@alexfurtado7254 I know plenty about Raiders fans, usually they're the type of fans who barely know anything about players, coaches or schemes if it's not the Raiders. Even in the AFC west!
Fullback is one of my favorite positions. I love players with versatility and as such I love players that block and run (FBs) and Block and Catch (TEs). Also love unconventional plays like end arounds, reverses, hb pass, tackle eligbles, TE sweeps, basically anything that has a player doing something unusual for their position. That's why I feel so spoiled as a 49er fan, not only do we have one of the last great fullbacks in Juszczyk and the best TE in the league in Kittle, but we also have some of the most versatile and unique players and scheme. We line up in 21 and run traditional outside zone and then split the fb and rb out to 5 wide. We run the ball with Samuel, aiyuk and even kittle. We pass to our fullback. Hell I even remember a play where we had on of our WRs block a d linemen, SUCCESSFULLY! To me that flexibility is a huge part of the 49ers success. The outside zone is a useful scheme across the league but I can't think of any team that can run the variety of plays out of their base formation like the 49ers can in terms of running and passing with unconventional targets.
FBs we're also used alot in bad weather and on bad fields because they tended to have the best hands. This made them less prone to fumbles. Nowadays it seems weather doesn't really factor into these games. Between domes...great groundkeeping...and warmer winters...and stadiums technology These fields are great. I remember as a kid watching the Browns play the Jets on a Muddy field and the WRs could only run 5 yards before they fell down. The big FBs and TEs had to do it all that day.
Mike Alstott is one of my favorite players of all time! Growing up in the 90s ,my team , the Steelers had two great FBs. The late Tim Lester followed by Dan Kreider ,who opened up holes for one of the best RBs of all time, Jerome Bettis. Coincidentally Bettis was probably bigger than both of them but they were the ones blocking for him, and also picking him up after he was tackled! Man I miss FBs!❤️🏈
@@awesomebeast7509 me too man Marcel Reece was a beast... every time he would get the ball in his hands Raider Nation would collectively hold our breaths cuz you knew he was about to do something, a Raider through and through, just wish he would’ve gotten more opportunities with the ball.
As long as Gruden is coaching there's always going to be some old-school aspect of the game left. Gruden refuses to change in favor of the new style of football lol
Great video!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I definitely remember the great fullbacks of the late 90s early 2000s. Grew up running the Wishbone and Tee Offense in little league!
the fullback position will make a comeback because its the ultimate "positionless" position: receiving, blocking, rushing, and you can motion him in and out of the backfield. its actually perfect for the modern NFL when you think about it
As the game of football evolved and alternate formations came in, the FB position went out of fashion during the early 1990s; the position wasn't what it used to be even with Mike Alstott and Lorenzo Neal (...) being recognizable players. But, as history has showed us, it only take one dominant team and one dominating athlete in order to change NFL approach and organizations trying to replicate those tweaks or changes. Look what happened at the TE position : Players like Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, and Antonio Gates started to change how the position should be played and slowly become major factors of the passing game.
the one college team that really uses fullbacks is michigan. Sione Homma, Khalid hill,Joe Kerridge,ben mason and Henry Poggi have all been very good at michigan
Fullback was my favorite position growing up. I was a lineman in Pop Warner and always thought I could transition to fullback or tight end when I got to high school and college. Ended up being an linebacker but always wondered what could have been had the game evolved in a different way
I think we're already starting to get see the trend mentioned at the end. It's getting increasingly common for "feature" RBs to be 220+, power-back-esque(while still being *very* athletic, something that wasn't as common back-when).
Yeah, I think the best way to evolve the fullback is to have them play multiple positions and be faster. In my high school my coach would call the FullBack the "Superback" because they would Run, block, catch, hell even pass sometimes. If a FB ran like a 4.5, doubles as a 2nd tight end with good hands, and could line up in the slot they'd be dangerous
It's crazy considering that Maddens on the PS2 required you to have at least two fullbacks and that now some NFL rosters don't even use one. Things like that wouldn't be possible back then, you wouldn't be able to start a season with no fullbacks.
A couple of my favorites 1. Lorenzo Neal- just a bowling ball that had 1 thing in mind, "PAIN!." He was the best blocking FB I ever saw. 2. Tony Richardson- was like Lorenzo Neal but much better if called upon to run or catch 3. Mack Strong- Leading the way for Shaun Alexander in that great Seahawks rushing attack of the 2000s. This was one of the last teams to really utilize the Split-Back formation. 4. Vonte Leach- A taller version of Lorenzo Neal. 5. William Henderson- was a Mack Truck paving the way for 1,000-yard rushers Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens and Ahman Green. Those mid-90s to mid-2000s Packers teams were really good. He was one of the most underrated FBs of the era because everyone thought of the Packers as a Passing Team, but they were also really good on the ground, especially in the 2000s with Ahman Green. Dorsey Levens was also a 1,400-yard runner in the 90s as well. Henderson was also an underrated pass-catcher. He didn't catch a lot of passes, but he was effective when he did. I like the guys that run and catch the ball, but I'm more of a fan of those selfless, true blocking FBs.
I miss fullbacks and power football. I was never a Nebraska fan, but I love Tom Osborne's smashmouth football from back when I was a kid in the 80s-90s. Only place you can find that now is a few high school teams. 2 years ago when I lived in northen NYS a local HS conference had 1 team running a Power-I against a bunch of spread schools. They smashed everyone, including teams that ran a 4-4 against them. Their tailback was the leading ground gainer, but the fullback was tearing holes out of the defenses from guard-to-guard.
As a Raiders fan, I love that we have and use Alec Ingold in our offense. I loved that we used Marcel Reece when he was a Raider. Both of them being great at their positions, especially in the receiving game. Alec Ingold and Marcel Reece are some of my favorites as a Raiders fan. Also credit to the Ravens and 49ers for using their fullbacks.
When talking about great old-school fullbacks, a guy that is overlooked way too often is John L. Williams who played for the Seahawks in the 80's and early 90's. Dude had multiple seasons with 600+ yards receiving on some pretty forgettable Seattle teams. On a side note, thanks for showing the FB some love. I played fullback and safety in high school in the early 2000's, just when the position really started to be phased out.
james delvin was the last true old day FB in my opinion I think Kyle juice in SF tho is changing the FB position along with patrick dimarco the FB is becoming more of a TE ish its cool to see an offense be in two personal formations depending on where the FB is like Juice gives the 49ers the luxury of being in 21 or 12 personal at the same time furthermore I think anthony sherman and the fb from the ravens are more your old day FB so the position is not totally dead
It does make sense considering you can have a faster more agile player on the field instead of a fb. But a fb seems like they could be very valuable in the running game. But that's the way the game changes through era's.
It would be interesting to see an NFL teams use the flexbone offense West Point uses were they hardly ever throw passes and just run it the whole time in unique ways to keep the defense off balance.
Better have a good defense if you're gonna do that. Otherwise as soon as you're down 2+ scores you'd just be working against yourself by running out the clock
I remember when Wes Welker joined the Pats and slot receivers back then were so niche that every game for the whole 07 season, you could rely on the commentary spending at least 5 minutes explaining what a slot receiver does and why it's good against the 4-3 base offense. Ever since, the slot receiver took the Fullback's spot and nobody uses a fullback. Wild how the game changed so fast
In my freshman year of college 2013 I was playing one of my dorm mates on her GameCube in Madden. 64 Browns vs 90 Giants. She threw for about 600 yards just bombing me but also doing the full Jameis with INTs. I threw maybe 8 passes. It was 28-27 and I got the ball back she had no time outs, I ran about 20 full back dives in a row, milked the clock and won the game on a last second FG. She was so pissed at me she smoked about half a pack. Long live the fullback
I think the other thing that has affected it is the removal of substitution caps. That has changed the strength of defensive lines and defensive ends in that they’ve become more massive. The other thing is tight ends are the new full back.
I'm sure this will get lost in the comments, but I would really love to see a video covering the history of fullbacks and how their role changed over time, including where they would stand in formations and what their responsibilities were.
FB will be making a big comeback in the next couple years....all these defenses are set up for the pass. Besides skill that's why Derrick Henry ( rb, but still a big back) is having so much success. Look at Patrick Ricard for the Ravens, probably shouldn't be that good at FB but he is bc he's huge and d-line is usually in a 3-4 and they are smaller these days....easy to get to the second level and at a minimum fall forward for at least 3.4 yds.
I think we'll see a return to fullbacks being useful sooner rather than later. Belichick in New England has proven time and time again a willingness to return to completely outdated schemes to take advantage of a team's superior speed (super bowl 53 against the rams being the perfect example) and teams like Baltimore using a running quarterback as a staple of the offense meaning more backs blocking and more opportunities for misdirection.
The last great running FB was Le'Ron McClain for the Ravens by way of Alabama. 6'0" 260lbs in 2008 ran for 900 Yards and 10 TD's. In 2009 Ray Rice 5'9" 195lbs became the Ravens primary ball carrier with 1339 yards 7 TD. Ravens went from having the Biggest ball carrier in the NFL to the smallest in one season.
Panthers used a fullback to this day...Brad Hoover for 10 years, then Mike Tolbert for another 5-6 years, now Alex Armah who’s been our FB for the last 3 seasons. And he’s a pure fullback
The fullback position can make a comeback. I remember when people thought that the center position was dead in the NBA, but now the top 2 MVP candidates are centers.
It's interesting to see how centers have adapted to the modern NBA. Imagine going back to 1995 and telling someone that an unathletic Serbian center who's best skill was playmaking would be the favorite for MVP.
The future of the fullback position is going to be coaches designating WRs as "fullbacks" so they don't have to pay them as much and then having them line up in the backfield to have 2 skill players who can catch the ball.
The fullback is actually one of my favorites to watch. For example, Minnesota runs a fullback/halfback set where their fullback smashes guys and clears beautiful running lanes for Dalvin Cook. I love watching that!
The last great fullback was my boy james develin. Once him and gronk left the pats it was over for the run game and everything else. Maybe Anthony sherman too and juscyk however u spell it but james literally looks like and played like the definition of a FB
The reason why fullbacks were forgotten was that they became running backs. Because in the past the fullback was the bulldozer and the tailback was their swift back. But when all the bulldozers started becoming tailbacks instead of fullbacks,that's when they started being forgotten, But if for example Derrick Henry went back in time to go play in the past, he would've been a fullback. Now because bulldozers are now running backs,the fullback has became basically a titan that can't catch is what it is now which is sad that it went from being so important, to forgotten. That's why I think the fullback became forgotten/important.
Lorenzo would pancake defensive players while little LT would rush for them TD's. Without Neal, Tomlinson would have been killed. Neal just pancaked fools.
Great video! If Jim Brown or Larry Csonka were in the league today they'd just be called running backs. You can see the halfback/fullback distinction begin to disappear in the 1970s when the All-Decade team switched to "running back" in their selections. The only thing that's truly dead is the 80s/90s style guy where run-blocking is 80% of what he does and he only catches passes within 5 yards of the line.
I've had a couple people mention to me that they didn't receive a notification for my last upload, it's a video about the wild 2020 Buccaneers season and I'm very happy with how it came out. So, if you happened to miss it, here is a link: th-cam.com/video/0xa5U6F1bm0/w-d-xo.html
Stay tuned for big changes coming to the channel, much love to all of you
The Fullback is not dead, just evolved.
In 1959-1967 The Packers Fullback was Jim Taylor: 6-0 210 Halfback was
Paul Hornung 6-3 235
The way Fullbacks and Halfbacks were used were not always equal. Fullbacks were the main ball carriers, the Halfback did more of the dirty work, this example can be seen with the Dolphins backfield
FB Larry Csonka 6-3 235
HB Jim Kiick 5-11 220
HB Mercury Morris 5-10 205
Jim Kiick was the blocker and short yardage back, Larry was the bull who carried the rock more.
Same with the Steelers backfield
FB 6-3 230 Franco Harris
HB 5-10 215 Rocky Bleier
Rocky was more compact, making him a better blocker, and he was great at short yardage too.
If you look where these guys were lining up, they were always 3-5 yards to the QB making for a very quick hitting offense. One would dive, the other would buck, one would slash the other would juke, making it difficult to know who had the ball for the first 2 or 3 seconds. So the Fullback and Halfback weren't always blocking for the other, but most of the time being a decoy when they weren't carrying the rock.
If I were to set up an offense, I would set it up this way. It takes the quick hit, confusion and razzle dazzle of the T formation, but with the outside opportunity of the pro set offense
Can you do a video on how Justin fields went from the obvious qb2 to drop to the bears
I'm the only fb in 2023
To me, the number one reason for the disappearance of the fullback is simply the invention of the term "power back."
Bro I wanted to be a fb in ha but this video made me not to 😂
I’m drunk at 2am and the only thing that sounds better than greasy food is Set The Edge and my boy delivers
Umm.....yeah. Fuck yeah, actually. That sounds like one hell of a combo on the back end of the larger part of a 12 pack & half pint of JD. And now that it’s in my brain, that’s too goddamn good an idea to pass on.
I need to go put chimichangas in the oven real quick before I get into this, hold my beer
@@justinmix143 2 kings living life to the fullest
Relatable except it's not even 1AM west coast.
@@Saltiren I'm watching on west coast as well but I'm more in to greener pastures if you know what I mean ...
@@Smashmilk sameeee set the edge always makes good videos
I love fullbacks. One of my favorites was John Conner on the Giants in 2013. He was such a beast. Very random and underrated player. He was fantastic, but didn't stick around bc hey, he was a traditional fullback :(
Mine was Mike alstott 2001 ( bucs)
As a Seahawks fan,Mack Strong is the only fullback I know. Fullback is like a TE but a part of RB.
Love the vids and I’m a fan of Jim brown. Ik it’s older but how he could just break tackles was incredible
My fav is kyle juszczyk
...and the fact that he can find time to lead a revolution and play football is also impressive.
As a Patriots fan I LOVED watching James Develin. The guy just cleared lanes everywhere he went. Such a beast.
He was the epitome of a Belichick player - an undrafted special teams dude who can play multiple positions?
Bill must have been salivating when he found him
Develin is the definition of the Patriot culture
Got an autographed football of the guy
The guy was also super smart too. True patriot
Develin was a HUGE reason for the success of our running game in 2018. He was an unstoppable force in the playoffs
The days when offenses would line up in I Formation was so nice... We were guaranteed to see either a FB or LB get absolutely deleted. Mike Alstott was the last great running FB & Lorenzo Neal was the greatest blocking FB; while Mack Strong & Tony Richardson were exceptionally solid on a yearly basis.
With the game having transitioned into a passing league & players getting slimmer & faster a FB actually is much more deadly in this game than ever before in my opinion. You throw a 5'8-6'2 230-260lbs Ball of muscle at a LB or doen safety & what the hell are they gonna do? There's only a handful of defenders that'll win that battle & an even smaller number will do it on a consistent basis! But alas, those days are long & gone. Hell, ask a average football fan to name a few full backs & they'll look at you like Eli Manning on a sideline cam.
we gon catch sum harlots Adonis?
That is a pretty good point, using big beefy bodys on the field now might work better especially against the skinnier LBs, but I feel teams would rather just have another TE/WR to make the play less predictable, as I’m sure most of the time if a fullback is in they are gonna think protect the run
You’re absolutely right. Another caveat to your point is that with how poor tackling has become today, a FB would clean up shop after he gets passed the D line
@@kingofgrim4761 A TE that can block, carry, or pass is hard to deal with, but there aren't many players who are legitimately good at all 3. Even someone above average (at the pro level) at two is rare.
If you have a good passing game expected yards is still higher passing than throwing. But there will come a point where defenses keep getting smaller/faster and runs more rare where run plays start doing equally well as pass plays on average.
Damn I miss mike Tolbert...
man there was nothing better then a good fullback back in the day
When the ravens won the super bowl in 2013 man i loved Vonta Leach. The dude was a beast but he had the hands to be decent out of the back field to
I know the pain, I was a fullback in high school, and my senior year they dumped the position to switch to a spread offense and I was forced to play linebacker which I sucked at cuz I have only played fullback
that sucks
Lotta small tight ends are basically fullbacks, colleges and high schools have started to use them as “Hbacks” where they are essentially FB/TE hybrids carrying out the task of the fullback’s lead blocking in the run game and tight ends in passing game
Me being 6’1 235 I play Hback/TE and line up all over the field. Spend time at fullback, in line as a TE, slot, and wideout
same
Same heee I wanted to play fullback but I had to play o line bc we didn’t run it and I was 180 lbs and wanted to play linebacker and running back or that bro
My favorite thing in Madden and real football is having everyone going deep and then just dumping it off to the fullback for an easy first down.
Please dont use madden and real football in the same sentence
@@stackbundles7058 - It was a lot closer from Madden 04-08 on the PS2 and then 12&14 on the PS3 before going to shit.
@@PaulGaither yes I agree the Maddens from almost 20 years ago are miles better than this dog shit virtual casino they release today.. thats sad as shit
@@stackbundles7058 - I still play those versions on my classic Xbox and Xbox 360. And the NCAA games and so forth. Aside from Madden, modern gaming is also casino - loot box - micro transactions dog shit. Those older games had to be playable out of the box.
@@PaulGaither 100% agree my guy
There was nothing better as a Packers fan then watching Kuhn truck through the pile to the endzone.
KUHNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Jim Taylor was the greatest fullback they ever had.
@@prairiehawker true but that was a long time ago
I really hope the old school variation of the fullback makes its way back into football, a good FB is just so much fun to watch
Derrick Henry and AJ Dillon are both FB's pretending to be RB.
As a Ravens fan, I love having Pat Ricard on the team. Super underrated.
You also just drafted a scary scary man in Ben Mason. He is a joy to watch.
@@bullscott12 Happy that the Ravens actually make use of FBs, though I can see Mason getting reps at TE too since there isn't much depth there
@@auz2430 Yeah I think they're definitely going to flex with him, he's useful with Nick Boyle starting to get up there in age but I loved that in his interview after the draft Mason singled out Ricard as a model
This video: "The Death of the Fullback"
The Ravens: I'll take your entire stock!
@@bullscott12 Mason and Ricard are literally the same player too. I love the Mason pick tho
This made me think of Peyton Hillis. Man was on the cover of Madden in 2012, 2 years later was barely in the league.
@JB Yep, he played FB for Arkansas blocking for Darren McFadden. Woo pig, a cursed team.
Juszczyk and Ricard feel like the only relevant fullbacks anymore, it’s sad
Alex Ingold as well. They aren't dead yet and the few teams that use them are having great success with them.
@@nedisahonkey Ingold’s definitely one of the Top 5 active fullbacks, he’s just not used as much. Again, it’s sad
Both Ravens at different points
@@loganmoreau7569 sadly i believe ingold would have played more snaps this year but he broke his ribs
@@loganmoreau7569 I'm not saying he's bad because he's not - but I do have to make the joke and point out he's definitely top 5 cause there's only about 5 of them left in the league 😆
I’m just glad my team is one of the few that still embraces the fullback in today’s NFL!
Ofc, Shannahan knows how to use his players.
Cause ur team loves to run
Juice is goated
Amen to that
Kyle gets it from his dad.
One thing I've noticed in the NFL these days is that position names, ie "You're a tight end", are only important for the purposes of pay scale. A player may actually play in a game in multiple roles. The team will designate them a certain way in order to avoid paying them as much as the team would have to pay someone at a more expensive position. So it could turn out that a lot of positions will slowly disappear as position names get consolidated. The runningback/fullback/tight end may become just one position, played multiple ways. If you're a player the only thing being called a tight end means is that the team doesn't have to pay you as much as if you were called a wide receiver, but the team may still use you as a wide receiver. How long are players going to put up with that?
As long as the NFL Players Association is run by dumbasses.
Derrick Henry and AJ Dillon are both FB's pretending to be RB.
@@Wallyworld30 no sir derrick henry is prolly more of a defensive end pretending to be a rb pmsl
Kyle Pitts is a straight-up WR1 billed as a TE
Definitely true, money is all important in the NFL. Greg Schiano said that in the college locker room, the most respected guy is the best player. In an NFL locker room, the most respected guy is the one with the biggest contract.
Jon Ritche was a BEAST and Mike Alstott was an absolute MONSTER
Don’t forget Lorenzo Neal
@@michaelkkrasting He’s a Charger and above average at best so I don’t care the only Chargers I have major respect for are Antonio Gates and LT
@@Brandon_Allen00559 he’s widely considered one of the best blocking fullbacks but hey you do you bud
Brandon Allen your making the nation look bad bro, Neal was decent and so is rivers, herbert is nice who they got and the wr Allen. Come now we got to have respect as RAIDER NATION. Just win baby
Please don't @ me either from a fellow Raiders fan.
The fullback: basically what anyone who doesn’t watch football thinks about football players
Edit: This do be my most liked comment ever so ummm thank you
I thought that would be Gronk.
@@romiarkan450 lmao hell no.
"That's how a white man runs the football!"
While naming it "rugby" for a lot of people in asian countries
While naming it "rugby" for a lot of people in asian countries
I loved Lorenzo Neal. I remember a play where he didn't have someone in front of him to block, so instead of making his way up field with LT like a convoy he turned around and ran 5 yards back towards the line of scrimmage just to crack someone. Dude loved contact haha.
Belichick still uses fullbacks. When you have a small defense set up for the pass, it's hard to stop a fullback with two TE's, all of whom can also catch a pass.
Although it has been fun to watch personnel trends change over time, I miss the days of Vonta Leach, Marcel Reece, and John Kuhn consistently being relied on to create holes for their teammates.
Marcel Reece was a freak, he could have played most any skill position on offense.
@@knowyourenemies7 Marcel Reece is the most versatile fullback I’ve ever seen
*Daryl “Moose” Johnston has entered the chat*
Dan Kreider on the Steelers in the 2000s was the best
Leach was beast for us in Baltimore! Helped get that W in Super Bowl 47 too!
In my Canadian highschool we had a surplus of good o linemen in my senior year. Took the most athletic one who went on to play some university ball at o line and made him a fullback. We called him binky. I was TE and had so many great views of this dude just crushing poor candian highschoolers
Aye bro my Canadian high school didn’t have football even though he had the field for it. Pissed off, our team if all the athletic mfs joined would’ve been crazy!
Apologies for the awkward cut at 7:39, attempting to use the 'trim' feature to remove a copyright claim on the video, but with the editing system being a bit clunky it left a bit of the original clip at the end.
James Develin on the Pats was a monster fullback and was a big reason they won super bowl 53
The Nigerian Nightmare is the most bad A nickname of all time
Yeah Christian Okeye, Larry Csonka, and Mike Alstot are my favorite fullbacks of all time I know I didn’t spell their names right
Try the “Cookie Monster” by Carla Esparza in the UFC
@@cstwin5998 LMAOOO
Bro thats a ufc fighter. It's obviously mike perry
I feel like as long as the "pocket style" QB still exists so will the Full Back as we know it. Even triple option teams still use full backs, but they get leaner and leaner body types that maybe in the 2000s would have been tail backs in a single back offense. Love the video!
Being a patriots fan I always loved seeing James Develin on the field.. the guy was a joy to watch .. it was like watching a truck running over barricades... I was sad on the day of his retirement
Craig "Ironhead" Heyward was one of my favorites.
His son is doing great for the Stealers.
Rip Craig Heyward.
As a fullback heading into my second year of high school, I’m praying for a change
Maybe they can switch you to tight end in college
It was all about the Triplets in Dallas during the early 90's but I was always a fan of Darryl "Moose" Johnson. I never really thought about the FB position since then so thanks for explaining :-)
Larry brown and moose made emmitt smith's career made the holes for number 22 to run through
Moose and novacek leaving the team killed Dallas
this is a topic i've been intrigued in for years, thank you for investigating and putting up a very well made video as always.
As a Bucs fan watching Alstott was just so fun. I really want to see a fullback like that again one day.
@Mound Builder no he was a fullback.I can tell you aren’t a Bucs fan lol
@Mound Builder doesn't mean he wasn't a fullback. They used a TE as a fullback for when he ran
@Mound Builder bitch yes they did.
@Mound Builder Is that what you think, a fullback was a blocker. He was a rushing fullback cuz those existed back then now fullbacks are mostly used for blocking.
@Mound Builder I do my research. You live in your own Inclosed world were you believe the shit that you here every if it's biased or fake. Fullbacks weren't blockers you just want to see the past as if is the present. You hear fullback and see a blocker nothing else.
I think that the Raiders are a great example on how to use a fullback, I mean Alec Ingold is in for most of the running plays for them, and is also a threat in the passing game.
And you wonder why they suck. Gruden is like the Bob Knight of football. The game has changed and he refuses to adapt. His spider Y Banana is nonsense. Great I give a fat guy the ball in the flat. Rule of thumb should be if a LB can cover you 1 on 1, I don't want you as a RB or TE.
Jon Gruden found an absolute gem in Alec Ingold
Funny you post this when Alec Ingold announced 2 picks for my Raiders tonight, one of the last fullbacks in the NFL. Some of my favorite players growing up like Mike Alstott and Jon Ritchie were fullbacks. Another great vid.
Jon Gruden is definitely one of those few coaches keeping the fullback spirit alive. I appreciate the love bro
I swear Raiders fans only pay attetion to their team. Ingold is great but the Ravens and 49ers have been using FBs for years with great success.
@@nedisahonkey don’t assume so much about a person or fan base you don’t know anything about.
@@alexfurtado7254 I know plenty about Raiders fans, usually they're the type of fans who barely know anything about players, coaches or schemes if it's not the Raiders. Even in the AFC west!
Fullback is one of my favorite positions. I love players with versatility and as such I love players that block and run (FBs) and Block and Catch (TEs). Also love unconventional plays like end arounds, reverses, hb pass, tackle eligbles, TE sweeps, basically anything that has a player doing something unusual for their position. That's why I feel so spoiled as a 49er fan, not only do we have one of the last great fullbacks in Juszczyk and the best TE in the league in Kittle, but we also have some of the most versatile and unique players and scheme. We line up in 21 and run traditional outside zone and then split the fb and rb out to 5 wide. We run the ball with Samuel, aiyuk and even kittle. We pass to our fullback. Hell I even remember a play where we had on of our WRs block a d linemen, SUCCESSFULLY! To me that flexibility is a huge part of the 49ers success. The outside zone is a useful scheme across the league but I can't think of any team that can run the variety of plays out of their base formation like the 49ers can in terms of running and passing with unconventional targets.
As a pats fan, i couldnt be happier than when watching james develin. Fullbacks are so cool i want more of them
FBs we're also used alot in bad weather and on bad fields because they tended to have the best hands.
This made them less prone to fumbles.
Nowadays it seems weather doesn't really factor into these games.
Between domes...great groundkeeping...and warmer winters...and stadiums technology These fields are great.
I remember as a kid watching the Browns play the Jets on a Muddy field and the WRs could only run 5 yards before they fell down.
The big FBs and TEs had to do it all that day.
Mike Alstott is one of my favorite players of all time! Growing up in the 90s ,my team , the Steelers had two great FBs. The late Tim Lester followed by Dan Kreider ,who opened up holes for one of the best RBs of all time, Jerome Bettis. Coincidentally Bettis was probably bigger than both of them but they were the ones blocking for him, and also picking him up after he was tackled! Man I miss FBs!❤️🏈
Me: it’s 1130 I should really be going to bed
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I got Alec Ingold and John Gruden, we aren’t losing the Fulback any time soon.
I miss Marcel Reece
@@awesomebeast7509 me too man Marcel Reece was a beast... every time he would get the ball in his hands Raider Nation would collectively hold our breaths cuz you knew he was about to do something, a Raider through and through, just wish he would’ve gotten more opportunities with the ball.
As long as Gruden is coaching there's always going to be some old-school aspect of the game left. Gruden refuses to change in favor of the new style of football lol
@@Alex-kd5xc well, gruden also has the mind of a white man from the 1830s
Great video!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I definitely remember the great fullbacks of the late 90s early 2000s. Grew up running the Wishbone and Tee Offense in little league!
When Mike Alstott retired, the era of the fullback ended. We will never see trucks like him again. I mourn that.
I think it happened when Marcel Reece retired. He was the last good fullback & a 4x pro bowlers
Laron McClain had a 1000 yard season in 2009 I think. Mike Tolbert on the Chargers got a lot of touches too
lorenzo Neal as well
Shoutout to Kyle Juscyck and Alec Ingold for keeping the position alive
mike alstott got that caveman strength. The dude is just terrifying.
Nice name
the fullback position will make a comeback because its the ultimate "positionless" position: receiving, blocking, rushing, and you can motion him in and out of the backfield.
its actually perfect for the modern NFL when you think about it
Fullback and H back have always been the most interesting positions to me. Great vid
As the game of football evolved and alternate formations came in, the FB position went out of fashion during the early 1990s; the position wasn't what it used to be even with Mike Alstott and Lorenzo Neal (...) being recognizable players.
But, as history has showed us, it only take one dominant team and one dominating athlete in order to change NFL approach and organizations trying to replicate those tweaks or changes.
Look what happened at the TE position : Players like Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, and Antonio Gates started to change how the position should be played and slowly become major factors of the passing game.
As a Ravens fan, Vonta Leach was one of my favorites. An absolute unit.
the one college team that really uses fullbacks is michigan. Sione Homma, Khalid hill,Joe Kerridge,ben mason and Henry Poggi have all been very good at michigan
Juczcyk shows it’s still a viable position for linebacker-type guys with ball skills
You’re up late my man, thanks for the late night buzz!
Long live Alec Ingold, the Flying Fullback!
That’s my favorite fullback right now! Dudes a beast
always dissecting the things nobody’s talking about right now and I love it
Fullback was my favorite position growing up. I was a lineman in Pop Warner and always thought I could transition to fullback or tight end when I got to high school and college. Ended up being an linebacker but always wondered what could have been had the game evolved in a different way
2 videos in 2 days?? Did I die and go to heaven?
This video made me look up Mike "The A-Train" Highlights!
i want larry csonka back. honestly, his (and mercury morris' and jim kiick's) football life episode was such a gem.
I think the other thing is full backs have moved to the offensive line as a tight end
The difference is typically you want a TE to be tall 6'3+.. a FB shouldn't be too tall or he will block the vision of the back
Kyle Juszczyk: Am I a joke to you?
Patrick Sherman: Am I a joke to you?
@@aztecshaytwitch4224 Patrick Richard: Am I a joke to you?
Half of the footage in this video was Juszcyk
I thought your vocabulary was limited to "Never stop making these"
Yes
I think we're already starting to get see the trend mentioned at the end. It's getting increasingly common for "feature" RBs to be 220+, power-back-esque(while still being *very* athletic, something that wasn't as common back-when).
Yeah, I think the best way to evolve the fullback is to have them play multiple positions and be faster. In my high school my coach would call the FullBack the "Superback" because they would Run, block, catch, hell even pass sometimes. If a FB ran like a 4.5, doubles as a 2nd tight end with good hands, and could line up in the slot they'd be dangerous
As a Vikings fan, having CJ Ham on the roster has been pretty great, hes quite talented
It's crazy considering that Maddens on the PS2 required you to have at least two fullbacks and that now some NFL rosters don't even use one. Things like that wouldn't be possible back then, you wouldn't be able to start a season with no fullbacks.
what a very nice short clip of Marion Motley at :20 that guy was a load!!
A couple of my favorites
1. Lorenzo Neal- just a bowling ball that had 1 thing in mind, "PAIN!." He was the best blocking FB I ever saw.
2. Tony Richardson- was like Lorenzo Neal but much better if called upon to run or catch
3. Mack Strong- Leading the way for Shaun Alexander in that great Seahawks rushing attack of the 2000s. This was one of the last teams to really utilize the Split-Back formation.
4. Vonte Leach- A taller version of Lorenzo Neal.
5. William Henderson- was a Mack Truck paving the way for 1,000-yard rushers Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens and Ahman Green. Those mid-90s to mid-2000s Packers teams were really good. He was one of the most underrated FBs of the era because everyone thought of the Packers as a Passing Team, but they were also really good on the ground, especially in the 2000s with Ahman Green. Dorsey Levens was also a 1,400-yard runner in the 90s as well. Henderson was also an underrated pass-catcher. He didn't catch a lot of passes, but he was effective when he did.
I like the guys that run and catch the ball, but I'm more of a fan of those selfless, true blocking FBs.
I miss fullbacks and power football. I was never a Nebraska fan, but I love Tom Osborne's smashmouth football from back when I was a kid in the 80s-90s. Only place you can find that now is a few high school teams.
2 years ago when I lived in northen NYS a local HS conference had 1 team running a Power-I against a bunch of spread schools. They smashed everyone, including teams that ran a 4-4 against them. Their tailback was the leading ground gainer, but the fullback was tearing holes out of the defenses from guard-to-guard.
It’s 2:38 AM, I have work in a few hours and hw I need to do, but if my boy posts you know damn well I’m going to watch it
As a Raiders fan, I love that we have and use Alec Ingold in our offense. I loved that we used Marcel Reece when he was a Raider. Both of them being great at their positions, especially in the receiving game. Alec Ingold and Marcel Reece are some of my favorites as a Raiders fan. Also credit to the Ravens and 49ers for using their fullbacks.
When talking about great old-school fullbacks, a guy that is overlooked way too often is John L. Williams who played for the Seahawks in the 80's and early 90's. Dude had multiple seasons with 600+ yards receiving on some pretty forgettable Seattle teams. On a side note, thanks for showing the FB some love. I played fullback and safety in high school in the early 2000's, just when the position really started to be phased out.
Shoutout to Larry Csonka and Mike Alstott
james delvin was the last true old day FB in my opinion I think Kyle juice in SF tho is changing the FB position along with patrick dimarco the FB is becoming more of a TE ish its cool to see an offense be in two personal formations depending on where the FB is like Juice gives the 49ers the luxury of being in 21 or 12 personal at the same time furthermore I think anthony sherman and the fb from the ravens are more your old day FB so the position is not totally dead
John Kuhn was the most recent legendary full back I can’t think of
It does make sense considering you can have a faster more agile player on the field instead of a fb. But a fb seems like they could be very valuable in the running game. But that's the way the game changes through era's.
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It would be interesting to see an NFL teams use the flexbone offense West Point uses were they hardly ever throw passes and just run it the whole time in unique ways to keep the defense off balance.
Better have a good defense if you're gonna do that. Otherwise as soon as you're down 2+ scores you'd just be working against yourself by running out the clock
I remember when Wes Welker joined the Pats and slot receivers back then were so niche that every game for the whole 07 season, you could rely on the commentary spending at least 5 minutes explaining what a slot receiver does and why it's good against the 4-3 base offense. Ever since, the slot receiver took the Fullback's spot and nobody uses a fullback. Wild how the game changed so fast
Fullbacks are awesome. Lorenzo Neal is my all time favorite Fullback!
In my freshman year of college 2013 I was playing one of my dorm mates on her GameCube in Madden. 64 Browns vs 90 Giants. She threw for about 600 yards just bombing me but also doing the full Jameis with INTs. I threw maybe 8 passes. It was 28-27 and I got the ball back she had no time outs, I ran about 20 full back dives in a row, milked the clock and won the game on a last second FG. She was so pissed at me she smoked about half a pack. Long live the fullback
These videos are soooo interesting and great quality. Love it!
I think the other thing that has affected it is the removal of substitution caps. That has changed the strength of defensive lines and defensive ends in that they’ve become more massive. The other thing is tight ends are the new full back.
Big ups to my favorite FB Dan Kreider the bus driver
Your videos are amazing! Super underrated channel!!
I'm sure this will get lost in the comments, but I would really love to see a video covering the history of fullbacks and how their role changed over time, including where they would stand in formations and what their responsibilities were.
FB will be making a big comeback in the next couple years....all these defenses are set up for the pass. Besides skill that's why Derrick Henry ( rb, but still a big back) is having so much success. Look at Patrick Ricard for the Ravens, probably shouldn't be that good at FB but he is bc he's huge and d-line is usually in a 3-4 and they are smaller these days....easy to get to the second level and at a minimum fall forward for at least 3.4 yds.
All about the Tolbert Report
I think we'll see a return to fullbacks being useful sooner rather than later. Belichick in New England has proven time and time again a willingness to return to completely outdated schemes to take advantage of a team's superior speed (super bowl 53 against the rams being the perfect example) and teams like Baltimore using a running quarterback as a staple of the offense meaning more backs blocking and more opportunities for misdirection.
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The last great running FB was Le'Ron McClain for the Ravens by way of Alabama. 6'0" 260lbs in 2008 ran for 900 Yards and 10 TD's. In 2009 Ray Rice 5'9" 195lbs became the Ravens primary ball carrier with 1339 yards 7 TD. Ravens went from having the Biggest ball carrier in the NFL to the smallest in one season.
Panthers used a fullback to this day...Brad Hoover for 10 years, then Mike Tolbert for another 5-6 years, now Alex Armah who’s been our FB for the last 3 seasons. And he’s a pure fullback
And even Stephen Davis who had the power of a fullback.
There was a FB drafted this past week, 5th round Ravens. Ben Mason out of Michigan. 6"3 254 ran a 4.7 Seems like a good pick for that offense.
The fullback position can make a comeback. I remember when people thought that the center position was dead in the NBA, but now the top 2 MVP candidates are centers.
It's interesting to see how centers have adapted to the modern NBA. Imagine going back to 1995 and telling someone that an unathletic Serbian center who's best skill was playmaking would be the favorite for MVP.
The future of the fullback position is going to be coaches designating WRs as "fullbacks" so they don't have to pay them as much and then having them line up in the backfield to have 2 skill players who can catch the ball.
The fullback is actually one of my favorites to watch. For example, Minnesota runs a fullback/halfback set where their fullback smashes guys and clears beautiful running lanes for Dalvin Cook. I love watching that!
They had a fb named Kleinsauser, my apologies for maybe misspelling hiswname, who opened holeswfor Adrian Peterson
Love that you were on Mikerophone recently. Keep doing joint work.
Also make more videos. Do daily vids!
Mike Tolbert is criminally underrated
As a Saints fan I know. I think he once scored 4 TDs on us in one game.
What about Craig 'Ironhead' Hayward? There's a good reason he got his nickname, and he was even in a shampoo commercial!
Greg Jones as well
He was fun to watch. Just a human bowling ball. One of the better rushing FBs in recent memory as well
The last great fullback was my boy james develin. Once him and gronk left the pats it was over for the run game and everything else. Maybe Anthony sherman too and juscyk however u spell it but james literally looks like and played like the definition of a FB
The reason why fullbacks were forgotten was that they became running backs. Because in the past the fullback was the bulldozer and the tailback was their swift back. But when all the bulldozers started becoming tailbacks instead of fullbacks,that's when they started being forgotten, But if for example Derrick Henry went back in time to go play in the past, he would've been a fullback. Now because bulldozers are now running backs,the fullback has became basically a titan that can't catch is what it is now which is sad that it went from being so important, to forgotten.
That's why I think the fullback became forgotten/important.
Not a single comment about how great Lorenzo Neal was makes me sad.
Mack strong as well 💪🏿
Also a great talk show personality
3:52
Lorenzo would pancake defensive players while little LT would rush for them TD's. Without Neal, Tomlinson would have been killed. Neal just pancaked fools.
Don't forget Tony Richardson.
Great video! If Jim Brown or Larry Csonka were in the league today they'd just be called running backs. You can see the halfback/fullback distinction begin to disappear in the 1970s when the All-Decade team switched to "running back" in their selections. The only thing that's truly dead is the 80s/90s style guy where run-blocking is 80% of what he does and he only catches passes within 5 yards of the line.
Juice is the man. The niners just signed a big contract with him and I love it!