Attack On Titan Season 4 Episode 20 Reaction | GRISHA: SON OF EREN | Phantom Nerds
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2022
- Last week had us at the edge of our seats! Let's see what Zeke has for Eren this episode!
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Zeke: "Our father has manipulated you Eren, he's making you act like this"
Eren: *_yeaaaa about that_*
Eren: 🌚
Zeke was literally everyone watching this episode
We are Zeke Zeke is we
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lmao fr
"What is Eren gonna do?"
"I dunno but I support him."
Spoken like a true Yaegerist, lfg 😂
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the foreshadowing in this series is just crazy, you remember Eren saying "was i here before?" when he was captured in the cave? Do you remember Kruger saying "if you want to save armin, Mikasa and everyone" and immediatly questioned it after that? Yes that was Erens doing, he showed everyone what they had to see in order for him to get to his goal
he is the fucking protagonist, antagonist, villain, hero and even writer of the story
by far my all time favorite character
Nah Eren is great, when people go rewatch the earlier seasons things will fill different
Damn even in the first scene of baby Eren he was still moving forward 😂
🤦🏾♂️ gotta move forward cause of Eren
tatakae
Eren really bullied his daddy into sliding them kids 💀
Lmaooo nah never have we ever
The thing is…Eren didn’t even do a 180 in character . We did; we saw the villain origin story with the mindset that Eren was the hero, and we saw him grow into the villain.
Actually crazy 😭
Edit: I said “villain” for the meme, but tbh now the trick is to not view him as either villain or hero. This story’s core is that he’s a person, a human being, capable of both manifesting cruelty and beauty.
Lol so we were fooled 💀 now we can’t detach “welp we here already”
He is not a villain goddammit
He did change though. Time travel aside, he was more empathetic and hopeful in his youth, he had heroic intentions early on. It’s not a complete 180 but he did gradually descend into villain/anti-hero status.
If you think about it, we were just as clueless as young Eren we just realised everything long after he did (when he kissed historia’s hand)
@@laza0202 He is not the villian, he is the winner, you either choose between killing all Eldians by loosing to Zeke, or to killing all Marley by winning. And remember what Marley did to Eldians over hundrends of years not only to those outside Paradise, but also to those inside the walls.
The whole conversation in the beginning about Zeke and how he 'snitched' was poorly debated.
I'm more leaning towards the side of the two guys defending Zeke's actions. Zeke is a kid, and yes, he was raised by his family; but he didn't have a good relationship with them. He comes home every night and doesn't get to have fun and have a 'normal' family, instead he got drilled knowledge about Eldia's history and what Grisha/Dina believe was "correct". Outside of his house and family, the reality outside and society was anti-Eldia, with everyone discriminating against their specific race. On top of this, Zeke also had to deal with parental pressure to be the golden child and to 'save the world', due to the fact that he has royal blood.
This type of pressure and conflict of who's right and who's wrong can seriously break a kid mentally. The final breaking point was the Marley government finding out about Grisha's group, the Eldian Restorationists and that they had a lead. Zeke tried to convince them to stop their actions, but they ended up getting angry at Zeke. He saw Tom Ksavar as his actual parental figure over Grisha because Ksaver actually cared about him and did activities. All in all, if Zeke didn't tell the government about his parents, he too would be killed. It's a lot of mental toll to put on a kid and it's understandable why Zeke did what he did as a child.
Yea being a child and having all that pressure from both sides you just want to be where you can feel loved at a point
tbh i think the last part of your argument is the strongest one. Dont remeber what epsiode specifically but ksaver convinced young zeke (Who knew he would be sent to the island if they got caught) to snitch on his parents so he would gain the governments trust and survive to take on the beast and carry out the euthanization plan
Yeah bruh exactly. People keep forgetting that Ksaver is the one that convinced Zeke to snitch in the first place
@@Phantom_Nerds mostly if he didn’t snitch he would’ve been sent to the wall. So Ksaver cared for him and forced him to snitch to protect him cause he saw him as the child he lost.
@@boozytube8413 lets not forget that by snitching Zeke also saved his grandparents... who showed him more love than grisha ever did
The attack Titan can send memories to the past, but they have full control of what the previous attack Titan gets to see
That makes sense cause Grisha only saw a few things
Remember Zeke also turned in his parents in order to save his grandparents as well.
Eren was angry because of Frieda not helping her own people, not because of Grisha not wanting to kill them kids
True 💀 but the way he turned up on his father was still wild
Wrong. He is also "angry" with his father because he said previously that on the memory of that moment (even Zeke recalled that seconds before) he (Eren) was disappointed by his father (to us, viewers, that meant he was angry that his father killed kids; BUT actually -from this chapter- was because his father was about to not take the founder titan and he (Eren) had to intervene.
@@orlandolopez5661 ^this
Frieda wanted to help but she can’t get past the vow renouncing war
@@orlandolopez5661 good catch, I didn’t even realize that. I thought he meant when he found out initially (back when he kissed Historia’s hand & was still somewhat like his old self). So many layers to this story…
"We're in the Endgame now" - Eren to Dr. Strange
Does give a bit of endgame feeling to this final season
Zeke snitched on his parents because he found out the government was gonna find anyways and the whole family was gonna get killed and the person that looked up to gave him and ultimatum. All that for a kid was a lot and especially the situation
And Zeke was also accepting that fate if it wasn't for xaver convincing him to sell his parents...
And by selling them he also saved his grandparents not only himself (I don't blame Zeke at all for what he did, as a child he was a really sweet kid)
The animation and va with grisha after he took the founding titan is just… wow-
Pretty darn good
It’s funny how we all think Eren did a 180 in his character, but actually that’s not the case at all
Eren tells us he’s always been this way, he’s never changed since he was young 😭. The only thing that changed was our perspective of him and the world of attack on Titan
I’m not sure about that, he may have had tendencies but he was really earnest and well-intentioned when he was a trainee & a Scout. A complete change from the guy who flattened crowds and killed children without hesitation. Something in him snapped, he wasn’t always this way.
He says he was always this way but he wasn’t acting like this
Exactly and when he snapped he SNAPPED
So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1) He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2) The ability of the Founding Titan
3) He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
Thanks for the explanation
Couldn’t it be a blend of the memories of every eldian in the area? Like if Grisha saw a mix of Frieda’s perspective and Eren’s? That could explain how he sees Eren when he looks back.
Actually wait, it can’t nevermind, I forgot that Freida can’t see Eren.
Although, Eren probably has a full 360 view of that memory, because he could look from Frieda’s perspective and his dads.
When grisha pleaded to the king he asked for her the just stop the Titans from attacking to save his family , his old dream was gone and he just wanted a peaceful one , but he was seeing the inevitability of his fate unfold before his eyes
Grisha's voice actor went crazy he nailed it 🔥
Yea he had it down packed he made us feel the moment gotta love that commitment
Eren said "You thought you Uno Reversed my Uno Reverse, but you just triggered my Trap Card..."
💀💀💀 trap card! That man Eren changed the game
Marley was already onto grisha and them so whether or not zeke "snitched" grisha would have still been sent to the walls
Watched the whole vid and loved hearing y’all discuss and theorize can’t wait for the next one!
Thank you we’re glad you enjoyed it, we can’t wait either 😩
4:30 y'all got the whole zeke snitching thing twisted as hell lol. The Marleyeans already had a lead and were gonna catch the restorationists soon even if zeke didn't snitch. Zeke only snitched to save his life since his family would be taken eventually anyway, tell dude on the right to read this comment lol for some reason every reactor fails to remember the shit ksaver told him
Just remember that by this reveal we now know that all death and misfortune that happened on the show was manipulated to happen or allowed by future Eren to get the result he wanted, even at the cost of his parents and friends brutal deaths.
Also Eren didnt just talked Grisha into doing, he showed him visions of all the people he lost dying to trigger him. He was "disgusted" that his father was showing weakness and not killed the kids.
I was dead when he said “He’s the messiah”😂😂
💀💀💀💀 lol too too funny
Wish I knew ppl this passionate about the show irl. Y'all funny.
Awww appreciate your kind words! Welp we’re here every week so hopefully it feels like you know us and you’re watching with us every week
@@Phantom_Nerds Haha yeah I'll watch. You're in for a treat. Last ep, this ep, and the next one are prob my favorite plot points in the series. Mappa did a great job on these so I'm sure it will continue with the craziness that's about to happen.
@@Lycku 😩 more craziness otw gotta love it
i love your passion arguing about this especially it relates to the real world morals and propaganda sh*t.
AOT can get you like that 💀
Eren instructed author Isayama to write this story while you, me and Zeke are mouth wide open now😂…
Best Protagonist 🏆=Eren
Best Antagonist 🏆=Eren
Just in case y'all didn't see it in the comments already, a cool detail is episode 1 of season 1 is called "To You, in 2000 Years" and the next episode is called "From You, 2,000 Years Ago" so you know it's gonna be hype!
I have waited so long for this to be adapted. One of my favorite chapters from the series~!!
Glad to see you enjoyed it being animated
That's why he was laughing when Sasha died after he asked what she said. HE F^%KING KNEW MY POTATO PRINCESS WAS GONNA GET SHOT 😭😭😭😭😭
😵💫 damn you make a point no body wanted to think of
“Potato princess” 😭 I miss her so much.
@@lisa_squared don’t we all ☹️
Nah Eren character development been spot on
Probably one of the best out there
So, there is this theory that has yet to be confirmed but, in the manga and anime, they say that the king used the power of the Founding Titan to erase the memories of the people of Eldia.
Which implies that the Founding Titan can control memories. In which case, there is the possibility that Eren, the holder of the Founding and Attack Titan, can SELECTIVELY send memories to the other Attack Titans. He can control what they see using the Founding Titan. And the other Attack Titans see it. That's how Eren can show Grisha that the wall collapses, but doesn't show him that Carla dies.
A couple of points of clarification that are important to remember, the First King of the Wall’s Will and Pact of Non-Aggression didn’t always constrain the royal family members who possessed the Founding Titan. Said pact/will was only relatively recently made a 100+ years ago when the Walls of Paradis were first created. Before that there was no Pact limiting the Founding Titan, whereas the Attack Titan has always had the power of seeing the memories of its future holders, and Grisha is speculating that the point of that trait was to act as a counter balance to the Founding Titan in general and to lead up to the defiance of the First King of the Wall’s will.
Also if it wasn’t clear from the visuals, this episode indicated that Eren in the final episode of Season 3 (episode 59), the moment when he was kissing Historia’s hand (during the ceremony commending the Scouts’ success of retaking Shiganshina), was the exact moment when he unlocked more of his father’s memories, specifically the ones in this very episode where he saw Grisha being egged on/told by Eren’s future self to kill the Reiss family and steal the Founding Titan. Hence why he had such a disturbed expression after kissing Historia’s hand.
🤯 the kissing of the hand you’re right
@@Phantom_Nerds yup so ever since then Eren knew the future he knows the horrible and disgusting and fucked up things he’s about to do next that greisha is scared of and telling zeke to stop eren but eren can’t be stopped
@@GojoKiller16th Eren is on some demon time rn
The only way to understand it is that time isn't linear. Everything is happening simultaneously. For all of Eren's existence, once he gained and learned about his Titan abilities, he's been shielding and only allowing select memories to be accessed by past Attack Titans. That's the only way to explain why no one prior could know what to come of the Eren and the future. It's why his father couldn't see what happens to his wife. That's why he told his father to turn him into a titan and sacrifice himself. Eren is diabolical!
Yeah I'm supporting Eren on this one. Zeke and the royals really think punishing the son for the fathers crime until they're all genocided is a good idea, as if theres any moral justification for that.
It's like if german leaders just suddenly decide to kill all their people out of shame for their militarily dominant history, like (sorry for taking on the whole world twice and almost winning). Thats weak. Zeke and the royals are like those white americans who try to be as woke as possible because they have so much white guilt for winning too many wars lmao. Wouldn't surprise me if thats what the writer of this show based it on since the japanese have a similar thing going on since they're ashamed of Imperial Japan who militarily dominated Asia. The people who live right now had nothing to do with that so why would they be punished for it. Thats the Jaegerist truth.
Eren be like "Fck I'm Jesus."
Eren the messiah 😹😹
3:48 The rebels were already found out before Zeke told the police anything. Is it better for Grisha to get his son killed for his war, or for Zeke to save himself and his grandparents from his parents war that he wanted nothing to do with?
Lol nah Zeke is confused af like damn what my pops seee
We all wanna know
If it wasn't for Eren then everyone on Paradis would've been slaughtered by the Marleyns back in S1 since the pacifist king did nothing. And it's because of Eren we got S1,2,3 and 4 and all it twists in s3 part 1 is thanks to Eren
YEAH HE TOOK TITAN AND MADE HIS DAD KILL BUT IF HE DID'NT EVERY CHARACTER YOU KNOW WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD LONG BEFORE
SO YEAH I AM WITH EREN YEAGAR
"Im evil nigga, i commit nefarious acts my nigga" - Eren Jaeger
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“He’s the messiah” 🤣🤣
💀💀💀 Lmaooo he had the pose
Grisha and Dina was against the system and the only confort Zeke got was from Ksaver, Grisha treat him as a weapon and nothing else.
So, you guys talking about turn in parents, if your parents were a serial kill3r, wouldn't you turn him over to the police?
I believe it works the same way.
Wren still the protagonist because he’s the main character. Even if his actions aren’t good he’s still remains the protagonist. The antagonist is whoever opposes the protagonist, good or bad.
Easily they were referencing Akame ga kill during that point
It’s a good subversion to have a main character who isn’t a hero, tbh. We don’t see enough of that.
This is literally like what bran did in game of thrones, this attack titan power is like the 3 eyed raven's power it's so cool
Sigh GoT great show up until the final season
Eren knew all of this since he first touched historias hand
Zeke didn't want to out his parents but he was manipulated into doing it by Mr. Xavier. He was given an ultimatum, either you and your parents get sent to Paradis Island or you can at least save yourself. Either way your parents are going down.
OMG!!! Plot twist going crazy!!!!
Very very very crazy
the post discussion after this episode was fun to watch lmfao
Aww thanks glad you enjoyed it
22:37 amen brother . that's what i'm saying ✊🏻 . why do people want people to apologize for what their ancestors did
in season 3 when we see grisha's backstory, the owl (eren kruger) tells grisha that he has to save armin, and mikasa and then immediately asks "who's memories are these? who are they?" so i guess it was kind of confirmed for the attack titan's ability
Yet I think Eren's true feelings will be revealed once we get a monologue or a flashback solely about HIM and him only.
One of these episodes will give us that for sure.
For now he's filling the shoes of a villain but deep down I know hes doing it for his friends (definetely for Armin and Mikasa but I don't know about the others)
Guess only time will tell it’s all a mystery to us rn what is true motives are very interesting to see it all unfold
Have you guys watched the outro of this season part 2? I haven't seen you guys react to it since the first episode came out
We usually watch it by ourselves, but if the people want us to watch it we can
@@Phantom_Nerds that’s okay just wondering thanks
The story takes place in the future well beyond our time.
In season 1, one of the characters made a joke about how humans used to fight each other because they looked different from one another (racism) compared to how now there is no such thing since they are a race of humans who have to fight titans.
Homie in the left did a good job with this reaction but homie with the black shirt kept making jokes that messed the great thoughts up
@22:42
I can't wait till they get to THE SCENE
lmaoooo
THE SCENE????
The Attack Titan can see memories into the future for all the other ones it’s in the past grisha is seeing the future memories through future eren perspective
the future attack on titan , show the ones bfores ,what he wants , eren just show the exacly things to carry on the plan .
This is now my fav aot episode
Attack on Titian is better than demon slayer to me main reason because of the quality of the show. Demon Slayer is good and entertaining but Attack on Titian is entertaining and makes you think deeply almost every episode that’s why all had more to talk on this today than Demon Slayer.
Also Attack on Titian story line is more thought out not simple as Demon Slayer. I feel like old skool anime folks will like Attack on Titian more.
The newer generation anime watcher like Demon Slayer more because it’s easy to understand and straight to the point.
Some very solid points, think we can’t truly answer which is better until they both come to an end
Dude on the far left was ready to spoil
Dude said “They’re black in Marley!!” 🤣🤣🤣
💀💀 gotta love the nerds
you guys have awesome reactions hahaha
Thanks for the love man 🙏🏾
fellow annie stans as well ? LFG !! we boutta eat soon trust
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the argument was fire good points on both sides
Thanks Enzo much appreciated
I feel bad for Zeke, not only did he have a terrible childhood but he feels so guilty for getting his parents killed. He didn't even want to snitch, he was told it was the only way he could get the beast Titan and save his innocent grandparents.
Ymir died 13 years later so she made it set in stone for everyone so nobody could hold on to titans and live longer than her or have that much power for longer than she had it
the vow the king has on the royal family is what pissed eren off because of the "countless bloodshed" of titans killing eldians that would never end. The curse of Ymir and her backstory is crazy in terms on how it affects the future ever since she died and no its true if a titan holder dies after 13 years the titan will be passed to a random eldian and the cycle continues on.
Yall talking about Erens face when he was talking to Grisha, but not that fucking Jumpscare after Grisha told Zeke to stop Eren
💀💀💀 Eren is just menacing the show rn
Did I just subscribe because of the Zeke snitching conversation? Yes, yes I did!
LOL we love the support 😩
I guess now the reason why Eren did not mourn about Saschas death is, because he have already known that she will being killed, which honestly concerns me about Armins and Mikasas future. I mean Erens cold behaviour towards them could also mean that he knows that they will be safe at all, so he does not actually care acting so rough with them in the present, but I'm really worried that he might just being prepeared for everyones death in order to fulfill the future he maybe already has been seen. Especially after seeing how he's acting with his father (although this probably had to be done, because he can't change the future).
Actually he did mourn Sasha’s death. It’s been hinted at twice as I can recall in the show, but Eren under like max stress or guilt has been seen to laugh and then start getting sad seconds later, and this happens when Hans died and Eren couldn’t stop it from happening after all his training, and when Sasha died. He started laughing then immediately stopped and his face showed him clearly being in distress.
@@personal6182 Of course he was not happy about Saschas death, maybe "mourn" was the wrong word to describe what I meant, but to see Eren acting such depressed and cold since the time skip, tells me that might have known or seen something we do not know yet, maybe it also happend when Eren kissed Historias hand (where he defenitly saw something).
Crazy they had a 10 minute debate about who was in the wrong, Grisha or Zeke. Then and at the end of the episode Grisha and Zeke are on the same team.
Lol major swerve
“Are you a zeke defender”
Everyone after ep 79: maybe beast titan wasn't the enemy after all
grisha is able to see zeke through eren's pov.
About the titans time being 13 years they have proof of it, all holders of the 9 did die after 13years and the spirit of that titan is passed on to the next born child that is a subject of Ymir, all titan holders did die after 13years
Thanks for that clarification right there
zeke's beard shape has changed
no body noticed that zeke was not him
Eren was still chained up at the end. He wasn't posing lol a lot of ppl didn't catch that
💀 true it’s still funny to think of it as a pose makes it more symbolic.
@@Phantom_Nerds I agree that it is funny tho lolol
Zeke was forced into something that he didn't like and Grisha didn't care about his feelings. Grisha was just focus in restoring eldian empire he basically sees Zeke as a mere tool back then.
Which really sucks cause we see how it’s playing out with Zeke because of that treatment
Nah, the curse of Ymir is real. And they can’t do anything about it because you can’t reverse a curse with the curse itself!
You guys must me wondering why I gathered you all here to react to this show - Eren the Messiah
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Basically everything the previous attack titans have done was to get to eren which is wild
That’s insane when you think about it
Rose reaction be having me dead on me 😂😂😂
💀💀💀 lol be into it
It’s crazy how Zeke was the son Grisha wanted on Paradis but had in Marley, and Eren was the son Grisha wanted in Marley but had in Paradis.🤯
Hmm solid point right here
The fact that Eren was controlling his father is insane
Why y’all having a whole discussion about why Zeke snitched when it’s all explained already? His father was basically more dedicated to the mission than to caring for his son. One dag Zeke overheard Marley officers talking about closing in on the Eldian restorationists. Ksaver then conviced him to snitch because that would at least save him and his grandparents. There was no other choice. Ksaver was more of a father figure to him than Grisha so of course he listened to him.
Cause AOT sparks those types of discussions and as you can see two agree with what you just echoed and two different
Grisha: Please stop Eren!
Also Grisha: Eat me Eren :v
LOL WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT
You know what I just thought of...if Grisha was so clapped that Eren made him get the founding titan and kill children then why was he so eager to let Eren eat him bro. Remember in season 1 eren had a nightmare about his dad forcing him to take the injection.
How you go from telling Zeke to "Stop Eren" to PLEASE TAKE THIS POWER EREN AND LEARN TO CONTROL IT!!!
Naw y’all gotta at least try to understand where Zeke was coming from💀💀 bro imagine being only a kid and your mama and your daddy tell you to break the law during segregation and possible put their whole family’s life on the line, AND be the savior for a whole nation. That’s a lot of pressure on just a kid.
The real writter of this story is not Hajime Isayama but Eren himself
Lol he manipulated Hajime
Eren vi Britannia going crazy
he didn’t snitch over something little, Grisha put mad pressure on him and because Zeke was t what Grisha wanted him to be Grisha always gave him the cold shoulder anyways the look he gave Zeke was disgust
A mad look of disgust man
zeke's choice was btwn his parents or his grandparents😂😂
lol and he chose the grandparents
Eren Yeager pulled an Anakin Skywalker
This would fly over anybody head who doesn’t truly know Star Wars 😶🌫️
its easy to know what erenn wants , he said , if someone wnna take my freedomm im takem it first ,,, we saw alot of times , WORLDS hate eldia and wanna em to be wipeout , so what erern gona do ? XD
We already knew eren was always shit. Think about that.. think about your t-shirt.. think about he is about to destroy the whole for peace for eldia.. think about erens true way...
As a Manga reader.
"ZEKE AN OP! He T.R.A.S.H What kind of child choose the GOVERNMENT over their MOM and DAD!"
*Itachi Uchiha:* ...
Okay so I do think that its basically the same situation (one clan of ppl that are op but everyone hates and is highly oppressed by their government, choose to revolt and the git done in by one if there own becoz of said gov) therefore and I Jugde Itachi HEAVY for that BUT heres where Itachi vs Zeke is different and why I dont HATE Itachi vs still lowkey think Zeke is trash- Itachi was being used to by both sides and was in way too deep, he was also pressured by both into only 2 options but either way ends in War and bloodshed, BUT the corrupt Gov coerced Itachi into thinking that option Uchiha was the greater evil, and made a deal with him guaranteeing his brothers safety , also His best friend Shisui died bc of Danzo so he knows Danxo might try and kill Sasuke specifically, so with Itachi the ops cornered him, could he have still chosen differently, yes, might the Uchiha win, with him more than likely but HOW and at what cost? Fugakus plan was a bloodless coup de tat but realistically that's just not gonna happen, its practically impossible for war not to happen, and Fukagu was stupid to think he could, basically team Uchiha was an uncertain victory, Danzos "solution" (spits on his grave) was a sure thing so Itachi choose the definite outcome over the _maybe_
Zeke however is just a snitch. Yes hes parents pressured him and neglected him blah blah blah and yes they put him in as a Warrior, But is that really enough to condemn your parents to banishment and death? To become MONSTERS? HELL NO. Let's remember ZEKE approached the ops first not the other way around! If he said nothing then nothing wouldve happened, and heres the thing Zeke believes Marely is RIGHT hes has internalized his racism to the CORE his basically Uncle Rucus (remember he ENJOYED killing all the scouts and felt nothing about turning a whole town and a city into titans both Paradi citizens and Marely eldians and his euthanasia plan) DESPITE he parents being freedom fighters, but what made it worse is he didn't do it bc of propoganda/brainwashing no ge did it bc he hated his parents, he dis ot out of spite, bc he choose the previous best titan as his father as said F U to his actual parents, Zeke CHOOSES to snitch and side with the gov, given the option he kills every single eldian everytime, whereas Itachi if he has LITERALLY any other choice (or at the time could see any other) he would kill his family, hed save them
So he don't blame gabby for taking out Sasha.??? Got em 🤪
Headless mesiah.
Eren is calculated af
Very calculated
So you'll literally forgot the part where Zeke made peace with going to paradise after seeing that there was no way of getting through to his dad. The boy was just saying his final Goodbye to Xavier then Xavier pointed out that "Hey instead of your whole family being sent to Paradise why don't you safe yourself and your grandparents at least, Marley will trust in you even more n you minimize the damage because it's coming either way".