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- There's a power revolution heading for our homes. It's home batteries - the key to the transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy.
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Here in Canada my wife and I have been off grid since August 2014. Our system has matured and is now running a system that allows us to provide all our power needs that includes shop tools and equipment.
Our battery bank is configured to 24volt system, there are 64 550amp hr. batteries. These are deep cell golf cart batteries, this was the affordable alternative at the time. There are the new batteries that are cheaper and I recommend them for sure. I would also add that a matching wind generator be added this will help cover many of the cloudy days as when it is quite windy when it is cloudy. I have teamed with a solar/wind electrician that has been involved with this energy service for more than 40years. We encourage general/research questions. We have devoted our time and knowledge to the development of alternative energies. If you are considering this alternative energy production for your home, ask lots of questions, find a reputable solar/wind electrician and invest time in researching your proposed project. Enjoy the freedom of change.
That is the way to go. We are getting notices from PG&E, they are shutting power to some area in the bay and North Bay because of fire hazard. Do your homework and go with system that offers Ac microinverter which is more reliable and of course battery.
I live on the Campo in Spain, I live totally of grid using solar panels and a wind turbine charging leisure batteries with a charge control system and an inverter for mains power , with a back up Honda generator for the odd dull week , it works perfectly and has done for the last ten years , No Electric Bills at all ////
can't do that in many areas in California, off grid in a city is illegal in most larger cities
phht...how would they know if its in your garage? unless you are dumb enough to have a screaming 200w turbine on your roof annoying your fellow apartment owners...
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i am living off grid in the beautiful Colorado mountains. love the video! good luck to all
So this was published in 2016, it's now April 2019 and AGL don't actually have a battery / solar offering yet !!!!!
Rump got elected !..........so , the hell with non-oil/coal things !....PERIOD !!!!!
@@waltsnow1762 Youre a fool.
@@waltsnow1762 Coulda been worse Hillary Bloody Hands Clinton coulda been elected Trumps a Stupid Thief Hillarys a Smart one and given a choice I'll take Stupid Thief it's easy to see through n outsmart anytime 0_0
@@Anjanya1948 Yup he's a STUPID Thief whereas Hillary Bloody Hands Clintons a SMART ONE! Now guess which I'd rather be watching? The stupid one of course it's easier to catch him at it!......................................Now where Do Y&ou go from there? Oh yes the Classic Fan/Boy Girl response DENIAL Need I Say More you IDIOT?
vernon jackson Yup, who wants a killer in charge? I'd have chosen Trump any time.
Zigs using 8- 6vt golf cart batteries $800. 14kw panels, total off grid very happy. Use separate 12oo kw 4 panels for grundfos sq pumps 900ft deep pure well waterx runs straight off panels..
I studied sustainability at Lyndon state college. Professor Miller stated in one hour the sun produces more energy than all the coal, Nuclear,and Natural gas combined. These batteries will help us utilize the sun's energy potential! I loved the video!
It is exciting to see some of the new technologies coming along, clean energy and having some control over our own power. I hate throwing away money for utilities.
This isn't a solution. Batteries have to be replaced because they degrade over time and become unusable.
I would like to see this source of renewable energy flourishing and prominent in Africa and the middle east where there is abundance of sunlight
Roy, we offer all of these solutions only we do not use outdated Lithium-ion technology but Graphene batteries which have over 100.000 chargecycles. In case you have interest please contact me for further info.
We had solar panels installed a little more than a month ago. I wish we had done it sooner. I love to login to solar edge and see how many kWh we have earned. We are not off the grid but hope to earn enough to cover about 90% of our electric bill each year.
I believe by using Insulated Concrete Forms for the exterior walls of a home and Solar roof, you can operate your home and charge your car at the same time .
This same idea has been my dream since for the past 1015 years. I even tried to have my home built with ICFs back in 2011 and everybody from the builder down laughed at me.
3:00 hey look, it's Richard Symonds
The first thing you can do is try to use more power during the day time. Washing machines, dishwashers, water heating. Storage heaters, charging electric vehicles and any other smaller batteries. Another great idea is to try to get some hot water panels to try to use some power directly from the sun without having to convert it too many times.
nope...you are wrong on so many levels...bad advice
Redblower you're the wrong one! Using power when it's available is the obvious solution, stored power should only be for unavoidable consumption. If consumption is shifted to match production, then the batteries required to sustain the property through the night can be significantly smaller and therefore cheaper.
Just build your own, not hard to do and doing the build yourself is very rewarding.
I advocate installing minimum of double the PV you think you need. If you are going to cut corners do it on the storage side, use lead acid if it is cheaper over its life cycle. The reason I say this is that you may very well have a plug in hybrid sitting in the driveway soon and that will take a large amount of electricity that the grid is not designed to handle.
You can now get the Tesla power wall 2 battery system in one cabinet with 14.5 kilowatt hours of battery capacity utilizing lithium ion batteries. The utility in Australia are now recommending homeowners install the Tesla power wall 2 and using the batteries to feed the grid when needed as several thousand homes with Tesla batteries can replace a coal fired power plant and only uses a small amount of your battery to keep the grid up and running. This isn't a test, this is proven technology and the utility's are embracing this system.
This was posted by me in 4/30/2019
James Shanks Do you know how much? I keep looking but batteries seem difficult to come by.
So in Australia they can back feed the grid?
Cute: the power company WANTS others (customers) to generate and provide electricity to the grid?
What the hell is in it for the power company?
Nothing.
Hello innovation, bye-bye power companies!
The CSIRO says the pay back time on a battery is 17 years with a life expectancy of 10-12 and its manufacturing is more harmful to the environment, if you want to actually be environmentally friendly you should feed back into the grid, fyi the solar expert sites that aren't adverts say the pay back of a battery is 18 years with a life cycle of 9-10 years.
nothing like having a thermite bomb strapped to your stick built home.
I seen a house with solar panels for the first time this past weekend. Pretty cool
I have a 5.5kw solar system and a powerwall 2 and it covers 98% of my energy needs. if i have 2-3 days of overcast weather i need to tap into the grid. But otherwise i am running my home on sunshine.
cool, what is the cost of the setup?
The Solar system was aprox AU$6500 The battery was almost AU$11000. That was back in September 2016 and i believe the rebate for PV solar has gone down making them more expensive. Also Tesla has increased the price of the Powerwall 2 as the Model 3 has ramped into production.
Well done
@@spawn3418 the Rebates have gone down but the cost of the systems has gone down as well and there efficiency has gone up so its about the same but produces a lot more, batteries are cheaper by a little, but still only have a life cycle of 10-12 years and a pay back time of 17-18 years. I just got solar, because where I live, they have been increasing power costs to offset the government cap and the line cost is a major part of my bill ( living in the country), my system costs 6999 for a 6.6kw system with a premium inverter and very good panels and a trusted company(this cost me $1000, these guys had a 4.9-5 star rating with no bad reviews), the premium panels would have costed 9,500 for LG or 15,000 for American panels, you can get a decent system 6.6 for 4,500-7000, depending on your inverter and panels. So far I predict I will get 100-150 back on my power bills, I would be interested to know how much you save / get back with your battery?
Hi, hows the systems going now? Currently im using just solar light to light up my home, , can you recommend at battery company?
Had solar installed 2+ years ago.
The payment on the panels and installation was less than the average electric bill.
No brainer.
AND, after the panels are paid for, free juice from the sun!
Not to mention, solar panels make far better roofs than shingles.
So long, electric company!
Disconnecting from the grid is getting difficult here in the US. Utilities now want $100 per KW of panels on the roof as an "Equipment charge"... Payments for power from the grid? almost Zero. Supply in California is more than needed.. so California PAYS other states to take their power. In that environment, there is no way to pay the individual homeowner or business for the power they generate. Additionally, the duck curve and federal law allows them to actually control the grid connected systems by changing the frequency. Bump to 61 hz, power drops to about 1/4.. go to 62 hz, and your panels generate nothing. The state mandates installing 3-6 -10 KW of solar panels saying "It only adds a few thousand dollars to the price of your house"... like $10k... and then the utility turns it all off. Tesla batteries have a waiting line of about a year at this point.
Billblom are you serious about this stuff?! I’m not in California but you know if it works there it’ll be everywhere soon. So it seems to me you have to go completely off grid or screw it why bother in the first place.
@@prepperjonpnw6482 Very VERY serious. In Florida, if you disconnect from the grid (they get LOTS of sun) -- Florida Power and Light had a law passed that will pull your certificate of occupancy... In other words, the sheriff locks you out of your house. And you have to have a boat load of expense to get "reconnected" -- In California they are pushing the $10 per KW of solar panels in areas in the mountains.. If you don't go with a battery backup, you are in trouble there because when fire danger is high, they simply turn off the grid. California is having a huge problem with the duck curve.. last I heard they were paying surrounding states to take their surplus. They were giving huge rebates, and LOTS of people are solar as a result... The problem: Nukes and big steam plants cannot be stopped and started quickly. So They are pushing everyone in their area to take their power. Now how much do you think PGE and others are paying for solar energy when they have to pay other states to take the surplus?
I have the solution for all you yankees and your power.....get out of the US...its a shithole and the only ones who cant see it are the ones standing in it....
Billblom California is a stupid liberal state that mandated every new house have one of these things. That’s why they have too much solar in California, a state with sunshine year round that mandated solar on every house
Why not Nickel Iron batteries. They last more than 50 to 100yrs, are eco friendly and can be fully discharged without damage. Downside is they are very very heavy and little expensive for now, but much less than a Tesla wall. But hey that last upto 100yrs with minimal maintenance (every 2-3 years a simple catalyst top up).
What about battery chemistries that are cheaper / more stable / longer lasting than lithium? Salt water batteries for homes / buildings, or liquid metal for grid storage, are some that seem to have a place.
Mobile devices need light weight and compact batteries; but a building battery can be heavier and / or bulkier.
Old batteries almost forgotten serve longer
shows your ignorance ...
Combining wind and solar is the way to go.
Them awkward high fives though 🤣🤣
Australians have great leadership!?love you!
There are a couple of new kids on the block, both of which can be charged to 100% and used to 0% charge with no deregulation of their capacity over the years. The liquid metal battery is probably not an option for a household due to it's high temperature although it should be great for large scale businesses. The other is the Zinc Bromide flow battery that is actually developed and on the market in Australia. An added advantage of the latter is that is that the battery itself contains a signal generator such that you can use the power when the grid goes down. The battery acts like the grid. In the older more usual solar cell / battery systems, when the grid went down you didn't have power.
I have been encouraging people to go battery besides solar . the idea being that inverters are safer for your electronics than the grid. Electric companies are not responsible for damages to your electronics .
People that live in third world countries get power irregularly . By going battery it eliminates problems.
It also solves the issues California is having when forest fires require brown out / black outs
arleigh crisman eurosolar
Lithium cobalt is NOT the latest battery standard , LiFePO4 is.
Awsome video! The only issue is the high cost of the battery!
I live in Alice Springs, Northern Territory, and solar power is rare... you'd think that a desert town, with 300 days of uninterrupted sunlight, would be farming this unlimited natural resource!
Try researching nickel iron batterys. They last for 50 years and can be discharged to zero without damage, therefore needing only half as many.
I really want to build ab Edison battery just to try it out. I just can't find a good place to get nickel plates.
Ideally i'd want nickel foil and iron foil.
Australia has a shortage of water, if every house had a water tank to catch rain water it would reduce the water shortage.
This video is an ad for lithium batteries it seems. Having been an off-gridder for over 20 years I would never purchase lithium batteries. It is not cost effective. Lithium batteries are great for EV’s because of the power density but not for solar off grid power. I have seen many reports of low life lead acid batteries. It may be true that some cheap lead acid batteries are out there, but I have had the opportunity to use quality lead acid AGM batteries for over 20 years, that’s a whopping 7000 + cycles. The initial cost is similar to lithium but is far less expensive over time as the lithium life span is about 600 cycles thus making industrial lead acid very cost effective. Just recently I upgraded my off grid power. I am still using solar panels that are over 20 years old, which are performing at 70% of their rated capacity, and added up-graded newer 24 volt panels. I also upgraded to newer industrial lead acid batteries which could have a live span of 17,000 cycles and with a good desulfator they could easily last 50 years. These batteries are not the little go cart batteries but the industrial fork lift type batteries. These batteries will likely be the last I ever purchase. The performance is superior and walks all over lithium batteries. The trick is to use the lead acid battery at 10% - 20% or less with a desulfator. This is easy to figure by just calculating the night time usage and installing batteries at 10 times that. In my case, to use lights, refrigerator, and electronics etc. during the night and most major power use during the day such as pumps, washer, dryer, electric water heaters and so on. My current set is capable of 42kwh (24 volts X 1800 amps) and is currently running @ 100% capacity. Basically I use about 4kw at night, and don’t even use them at 10%, which can be calculated by battery voltage at morning. For example a single battery cell would have a used voltage of 10% at 2.08 volts. Whereas these batteries store a residual daytime voltage when charged during the day and are at full charge of 2.1 volts by morning when they begin to recharge during the day cycle meaning they have no discharge. These batteries are 4 years old and will easily run for another 25 - 30 years. The only drawback is adding distilled water ocassionally, but that is reduced by using hydrocaps. So don’t be fooled by expensive lithium batteries for solar. It’s not cost effective. PEACE
@Jack West --> Thanks for the info. You mentioned "newer industrial lead acid batteries which could have a live span of 17,000 cycles". Would you please let me know the brand?
@@isaacmadhavan Deka I believe Model D
@@jackwest2031 Thank you so much for the info AND for the quick response!
17,000 cycles wow, pls how can one get to buy??? Thank you
@@johnonwoh2586 Hi John, As I mentioned above they are Deka Batteries. Series or model M I believe. You could contact the battery manufacturer directly or find a dealer to research it completely. When I contated the manufacturer I spoke with the assistant in charge of sales. She was very helpful. You may also want to consider using desulfators. I use them and have found great success with batteries that are generally in good condition. They can extent the life of a battery as much as 2 - 3 times. If you think about it, desulfators could extend battery life of your high cycle battery for up to 100 years or more which is crazy. I use Powerpulse brand as they have the most research and success behind them. I use the Battery maintenance system desulfater which come in 12, 24, 36, and 48 volt and are reasonably priced around $40 to $60. I have a desulfator for each battery which are 600 amps at 24 volts for my system. You must be vigilant with acid levels and acid strength keeping it constant. Adding too much distilled water can reduce the potency of the battery and adding too much acid could destroy the plates. Good luck. PEACE
Hi, all I'm seeing this on the 07/03/2020 I'm in England and Nathing here.
For excess power: Start installing big fans around your power plants and grid systems. The moment you have excess power, the fans switch on and cool down area temperature.
TheAngel207 Fans make no difference to air temperature whatsoever. Pointless.
4:16 high 5's for the battery !!
lol
Sounds wonderful. I am waiting for my batteries. I just wonder what impact battery production and recycling will have on the environment...
OCnStiggs I agree with you. This documentary only brought out the good and advantages of having batteries vs relying on grid . We also need to know the impact of gathering these resources to the environment, lifespan of the battery, how much energy will be put onto recycling and how much waste will be dumped in the environment. These are the critical issues that we also need to weigh as an Renewable Source Energy.
Ok, it is now March 31, 2019 and this was made over 3 years ago, but it is an excellent overview of the future and uses of battery storage. At first, though, the title is confusing and I thought I was watching a plug for buying batteries for home solar installations without clear cost analysis. There was no cost analysis, but the topic was future battery tech, not cost analysis, and I learned a lot about improvements coming in battery tech. I am in Florida, USA and we are just seeing a solar explosion here because up until about a year ago, you could only buy solar from the big power utilities. But the State changed the rules so now we are being inundated by all sorts of scams, "no money down", etc. This was good reporting without being a tout for solar.
Great insight into the build just subscribed and it’s a nice compact turbine I also have built a homemade 650 watts wind turbine, a treadmill motor turbine and a little but powerful ametek 30v turbine and built 2 diy solar panels, be careful in high winds one of my first turbines blew up 😕and now have only 2 wonderful turbines working daily 😊it’s very satisfying watching those things working, keep up the good work buddy 👍
hows your hearing? those small turbines are a piece of crap usually.
@@Redblower not if you build them yourself i must admit that i have seen alot of crap for sale on ebay etc, always best to build it yourself so maintenance is easier
03:30 It looks like there are some cable lugs missing in the inverter cabinet and the installer / producer used the wrong screwdriver.
Probably the local electrician who connected the three phases on site (not from the manufacturer)
Wait, what is the cost now, and did it cost this person more or less and what was the payback period?? What is the life expectancy of these batteries. What is the environmental impact of the battery and the end of life of the battery? What is the estimate of the life cycle of these batteries and replacement cost?
Amazing Video.....India Should Implement This Technology As Soon As Possible.
Medicine Hat in South East Alberta is known to be the sunniest place in North America. It is also famous for Rudyard Kipling's open letter to the world, after visiting here in 1907, suggesting that a place having All Hell For A Basement, with Medicine Hat being its door that it truly did not deserve a new name!
Don't you just hate it when people who don't know what they're talking about, speak? They didn't call the first mobile phones, "bricks" because of their size. (They were actually about half the size of a real brick.) It was because they used gel cell LEAD ACID batteries which only gave 45 minutes of talk time. These gave them what felt like the weight of a brick after holding it to your ear for 10 minutes. This was because they were power hungry analog systems using a full 3 watt, (3,000 milliwatts), transmitters. Nickle - cadmium batteries of the same physical size wouldn't have even came close to the same service time. Now a days, lithium ion batteries last much longer in modern phones because 1) their higher power density per pound / kilo. 2) Modern phones operate at the 10 to 20 milliwatt, (10 to 20/1,000's of a watt), range due to the forest of cell towers that didn't exist for the "brick" plus the new phones are digital which uses orders of magnitudes less power than an analog system and 3) Many messages are sent now by text rather than voice call. This mode could be operated on a battery made of 3 lemons, 6 pennies and 6 nickles and 3 feet of bell wire. The text mode wasn't available when the "brick" was in use.
I have researched battery backup to my 14 KW solar system, the Tesla system to accommodate my solar was 25K as per March 2020. I was told that even with the smart gateway and 10KW battery, if mains power failed my batteries switched off and so with the solar. This would leave our home with no power.
JOSH-That wig looks RIDICULOUS!
Good report on solar energy.... I'm torn between solar and hydrogen energy, the cleanest of all renewable/green energy.
Do not be torn about hydrogen vs solar use them together combined hydrogen works well with solar to generate electricity when you don't have Sun plus adding lithium ion batteries can let you optimize that energy you produce and adding if you live close to the ocean you can use tidal wave energy what has a lot of potential to give you the energy you need and not pay a utility company and have the utility company pay you for that energy also if you do not live close to the ocean or sure you can add windmills when it is you to your solar projection and hydrogen to increase your energy output
Just get an ev, and install a system that can use the car battery to power your home in peak times. So you pay off-peak prices during peak times. Average use in the evenings is about 20-30 kWh for a family of four, and middle-of-the-range ev battery sizes are about 60kwh so roughly half left for a daily commute. For long trips on short notice, use a fast charger station, or if enough notice, then switch to grid power to charge your car fully.
There is a Texas utility company that has so much solar and wind energy that from midnight to 6 AM it's free!
Cheers!
There's a whole town in Texas that is powered by 100% renewable energy. You should check that out
@DrYangGang We don't need government assistance anymore, economics now favors wind and solar.
Where in Texas?
Bo McGillacutty hello
@@johnonwoh2586 Hello!
It has been almost 4 years since you launched this video so what happened with the Zinc Bromite battery?
Failure. Only graphene will change things. Samsung has it but only prototipe for phones, and is extremly expencive
I love this , it's really exciting to see this happening and the advantages are massive over coal and other fossil fuels and that includes nuclear , but it even gets better there are even better solar panels and batteries around the corner . there is a new material called graphene that is going to take renewable green energy to whole new level and you know what i don't understand is why we are taking valuable agrarian land for these large solar farms when there's way more rooftops and bridges road side fences in our cities than we would ever need . and that is where the power is needed most and it would also cut down on the massive cost of infrastructure of getting the power where it is needed and when the powers at be finally wake up and start working for the people instead of these multinationals and we the people get the E V revaluation that is happening in China and else wear at the moment that will be the final peace of the puzzle for a much brighter future for the whole of man kind...
Lucky for Australia we have lots and lots of lithium
Will probably work great there...but living in Nebraska we don't get full sun all the time...
8kw systems like these cost over 7000 dollars once you include all the required components. That doesn't include the cost of solar panels and installation. Depending on your actual typical power usage the payback for this truly self-sustaining system will be many years also dependent on local electrical rates.
Today we have the technology to run our home totally off grid. The problem is most homes are not up to 21st century standard's of efficiency, meaning they can't keep out the heat and cold from penetrating the wall's and windows100%. Our appliances need to be redesigned to operate at lower voltages. We also need to convert every lighting system to leds which operate at much lower voltages. It would be nice to free ourselves from the power companies. 😁
What's the name of the Co that installed Joshua's Battery system & Do they work in the us?
how will governments figure out how to tax the people who make their own power and need them no more?? Same with electric vehicles.
They already have.
Love to see small towns (say less than 500 citizens) have a series of batteries installed at their local council offices/depot for all its town people to get their power from...of course it would need the support of all that town's ratepayers....that would stuff up the greedy energy companies.
And clean technology. The hidroelectric is good option also. Not pollution emision
4:35 so how much is kWh after purchasing the battery pack? This is the problem with videos like this. They are not telling the full story.
My point exactly. Is it because such information would reveal just how outrageously costly this form of power is?
RIIIIGGHTT. Smoke and mirrors. Not sunshine and Lithium. If they not even giving numbers, that means that even if they lie like superstars, they still really 5 times that cost. Can't get the figures. Can't trust if you do. It will just be more blackouts for Aussies. Coal is cheap, reliable, and does not change the weather.
I'm with anything that doesn't harm the environment and the planet, I support clean renewable energy, my house is run on power-controlling batteries and I don't pay electricity bills anymore
Thanks inspiring video
The beginning of the video, where they discuss selling power to the power company, is not a typical example. Whereas those skewed prices might be true in Australia, here in California the state law mandates that the power company must buy power from us at the full, retail rate. The rates in your own state may vary, so check into it.
Solar panels work in a way that's obvious, but never suspected. They absorb and dissipate the heat from the sun before it can heat the home and dramatically reduce the cooling bill during the summer. it works best if you can cover as much of the roof as possible, even to the point of shading the walls. Another DIY project is converting indoor lights to LED to use the electricity from the solar panels. LED lighting will probably become cheaper as homes are converted from 120V AC to sometime like 12V DC. Removing the AC to DC electronics from current LED bulbs will make future LEDs cheaper. The electronics that has to deal with 120V AC is usually the first things to fail. That is my opinion anyway.
the problem is that in australia the energy suppliers charge consumers not only on their actual use but also for being connected to the grid (daily supply charge). So even if I don't use grid much I still have to pay these fees if I want to be connected to the grid to back up my solar energy system. rooftop solar systems become more and more popular but it doesn't stop the suppliers to charge more and more as a supply charge so having solar becomes pointless for consumers.
I think we can eventually get to the point where neuclear plants, and hydro and wind turbines can generate what is needed other than the solar at ppls homes, if most ppl can have double the required solar panels , exporting the power not used to the grid, making up for the coal and gas power plants, and use battery backup to buffer the nuk plants, allowing time to adjust to demand! Or possibly a battery ultra capacitor hybrid, to supply power for the 10-30 minutes needed to compensate, and possibly using pumped storage for longer demands! The grid total us very complex, it needs to be broken down in more manageable parcels, while still being a connected grid, where the parts of the grid can help eachother, we will figure it out, the goal is to stop the carbon, we must keep that in mind over profiting,
Excellent
Excellent report!
Batteries are unique in that they don’t put out energy like hydro or nuclear; they instead make energy available for use as needed. A power plant puts out power and if it’s not used it is wasted, while a battery stores potential energy that is only used on demand.
A house that spends more energy at night than day? On what, huge TV? If it's AC, I'd suggest investing in a system that uses less energy. I hear you can put pipes in the ground and pump air trough them to both cool and warm your house, whichever you need.
People talking about solar often refer to the "duck curve" in a energy use graph, where at the evenings when everyone goes home and turns on their appliances the energy use goes up while Sun goes down; it always makes me wonder what kind of jobs do they have if wherever they work uses less energy than their home.
So, yeah, solar panels and batteries help your electric bill a lot if you live in even moderately sunny area, but I'd still add a small wind turbine as a backup. Also, either put up a water desalination plant or something similar that takes advantage of noon surplus or build long range transmission lines east and west and sell the electricity to places where it is still morning or already evening. Line losses are a thing and the lines cost money to build andmaintain, but AFAIK an electric line is still cheaper and needs less maintenance than gigawatts worth of batteries.
From the humble torch 6 volt of power to solarpanels producing KW of power. The future will be fantastic with better batteries, faster and safer charging. New buildings to have solarpanel and battery monitor built in. Charge your battery powered car with your own produced battery stored power at home. Labor government is promising cash towards a battery to existing solarpanel homes. Let's hope it will happen.
Energy companies are not in peril from batteries + solar + wind or any combination thereof. Modern societies are designed to have continuous power supply. Even short interruptions cause significant disruption in your daily life. Interruptions can range from inconvenient to deadly as in the case of the Texas outages. Batteries are capable of supplying normal power needs for a very short while. For longer periods you must reduce your electrical needs to a level your battery can supply for the time you can expect to regain your usual source of supply. Batteries are not capable of storing enough energy for extended periods of time to meet the electrical demand of modern homes . This combined with the fact that solar and wind require a large area for the amount of electricity produced . The limiting factors of battery storage and and renewable energy sources. mean that you will need your utility in a very short period of time to keep your lights on. The purveyors of these systems are quite happy to gloss over the short comings of residential battery backup systems. After the sale is not the time to learn the real -life limitations of your new system. Also, keep in mind the battery back up will require maintenance and repairs. Look at full life cycle costs before making the leap. If the cost of batteries continue to fall, the amount of installed kWh can be increased to the limits of your budget. But the fact will remain that it is not feasible to install enough battery backup for an extended outage. The Texas debacle was the direct result of unrealistic expectations of wind generation. Reserves had been reduced on the expectation that it would not be required.
Good. Very interest.
i really wish i could get more involved with things like that. I have observed so much and figured out tiny things on my own, but without access to materials or info. I can't understand it well enough to try to help make a change.
yeah...but you need a brain transplant first...
Plenty of info on the web, browse around.
watching this in 2020.. not really much has changed. since oil prices plummeted.. electricity tariff shud be going down.. so.. battery importance maybe need to wait a little more
2020 now and still not cheap, but in USA can recover cost in 8-10 years. Our power is much cheaper here. AU maybe able to recover cover cost much faster. Still it's an investment.
Australia looks like it has a bright future. Should be interesting to see how clean renewable energy use progresses in the next 25 to 30 years. After that, I will probably be dead since I am 61 years old right now
No mention about when things go wrong as they will. How long does it take to recover your initial investment and likely as not whoever installed the units will have conveniently gone out of business. There are many pitfalls in this area so look into any system carefully.
Nice job. Might have been an idea to allow cooling air to duct around the cells?
Nice and sunny there
Renewable energy is definitely the way to go. But if the paradigm shift really happens in a large scale, what can happen to big utility companies is still largely unknown.
our local power companys ..should expand service to an department that installs solar on your homes ..get into the future ..being a solar company we can trust and maybe make payments too
Replace the old roof with solar panels. Doors and windows as well.
Tesla's powerwall can support a 30kw/h draw for up to 5 days, 7 days on minimum draw. That's per battery system, and you also get an app to check how much charge is in the system. Did I mention the ability to create your entire shingled roof out of solar panel? yes that's right, solar panel shingles are now online.
What's the full cost of the setup? Battery lifespan?how long to make your money back? How good is it in a colder environment?
If the viewers new anything about science/physics, you would understand that it takes more energy to build a solar panel than it will ever produce...It is a net loss. Too, there is a huge problem with disposing of the batteries that again take more energy to build than they can produce during there life span . Same goes for wind generators, that is why the thousands of them that are broken down across the country are not worth fixing...
This all sounds so great,But, how long do batteries last? What do you do with them when they will no longer charge? Who pays to service and replace them? How much of the earth do you destroy mining the elements? How much pollution is created making solar panels and wind turbines? How long do they last? What do you do with a bunch of solar panels that no longer work? This isn't as Rosie as it sounds.
Hydrogen is the only right energy carrier on the earth in the present era. No other variant. In far future, hydrogen is the necessary prerequisite for new future fuel of energy. It is the mass. Any mass materials can become fuel for energy by the similar formula E=mc2. To convert compound material to energy, it is comfortable firstly to split compound materials to the simplest form- the hydrogen, then convert hydrogen into energy with more percentages. Nuclear fusion reactors can generate energy from hydrogen (isotope), but it is only a very partial case of human known form of converting material to energy by E=mc2. Hydrogen is not only the most abundant element in the universe, but also the most simple basic element in the universe. So hydrogen is the key factor for almost future high energy technologies.
It is now the time to stop any doubts about up-coming hydrogen era. It is right now the time to accelerate and race hydrogen economy and technologies.
There must be now 2 waves for hydrogen : 1/BUILD HYDROGEN PRODUCTION FACTORIES FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY STATIONS, AND EVEN FOR NUCLEAR ENERGY STATIONS, FOR NUCLEAR FUSION ENERGY REACTORS. If build networks of regional hydrogen production factories, then any townhouses will have small stable lucrative business of selling electricity to network of hydrogen production factories anytime by equipping household small solar farms (200m2) very cheaply because of no batteries. All cities can go to the new global trend of CITY RENEWABLE ENERGY ORIENTED ARCHITECTURE, in which all roads will have photovoltaic top roofs at the centers along roads with roof pillars along center lines of roads. CITY RENEWABLE ENERGY ORIENTED ARCHITECTURE urges installing all renewable generating devices/systems anywhere, then sell electricity to networks of regional hydrogen productions factories. Any city houses and buildings can install photovoltaic top roofs to automatically sell electricity to networks of regional hydrogen production factories, and no problem of wasting excess energy, no battery necessary. 2/ In storing hydrogen and distributing hydrogen, we must use standard sized compressed hydrogen gas canisters parallelly with other methods, for example, pipeline transfer and hydrogen liquid storing. Produce standard sized compressed hydrogen canisters. Distribute standard sized compressed hydrogen canisters everywhere. Buy hydrogen by exchanging empty standard sized canisters for standard sized full compressed hydrogen canisters. This method of exchanging is not the most effective, but is the easy and reasonable way to distribute hydrogen anywhere. Any mini shops can be warehouses for hydrogen canisters. For example, a mini shop can store 300 standard sized compressed hydrogen canisters. If it does 50 exchangings of hydrogen canisters per day, then it is normal small retail business. Motorcycles and human sized robots and machines require only comfortable small sized compressed hydrogen canisters. I guarantee that producing compressed hydrogen balloons is easier and cheaper than producing AAA batteries. Hydrogen can seep through small gaps of cheap material, but if hydrogen leaks 1gr-10gr per month for balloon 1kg, then it is not a problem. We can not build hydrogen loading stations anywhere, we can just build hydrogen loading stations in important places, but we can distribute hydrogen canisters anywhere in any angles of societies.
Hydrogen has energy storage coefficient, which is nearly the maximum limit for all known chemical mechanisms. It means that ALL FUTURE POSSIBLE CHEMICAL BATTERIES WILL HAVE ENERGY STORAGE COEFFICIENT LESS THAN HYDROGEN. So . ANY HUMAN SIZED MOBILITY ROBOTS AND DRONES MUST BE POWERED BY HYDROGEN. A lot of army vehicles must be powered by hydrogen too, because of efficiency, even without counting environment profit.
The most economic fuel for passenger aircrafts is hydrogen.
New concept of hydrogen battery, which is the combination of hydrogen production factory + hydrogen fuel cell module. In very compact small spaces, people still can not construct hydrogen batteries. But in larger spaces, for example in areas of energy plants, people do already can construct hydrogen batteries. Should note that hydrogen battery has best energy storage coefficient, best energy converting coefficient, best energy powering coefficient for almost future possible chemical batteries. It means that all future possible chemical batteries will have less energy storage coefficient, less energy conversion coefficient, less energy powering coefficient. It also means that all companies, for example Tesla, should take ready hydrogen batteries for energy plants instead of their "mind bogglingly stupid" doing and improving other chemical batteries for energy stations.
Many people, especially EU governments still do not estimate enough important role of hydrogen. Hydrogen is the key factor for renewable energy in offshore and building marine society. Far offshore wind energy, ocean wave energy, tidal energy and even ocean solar energy must live with hydrogen. Hydrogen is the key factor for energy-autonomous floating offshore social ocean units too. It is impossible to effectively use ocean energy without hydrogen. HYDROGEN ECONOMY WILL CHANGE GEOPOLICY IN EU, because hydrogen economy is the most reliable way to make EU to be less depended on gas suppliers for winter warming. Best cooking is powered by hydrogen fuel cell, because our traditional cooking creates toxic CO2 + NOx directly in apartments. When we use more renewable energy and turn off fossil stations, we need some reserved solution to reduce consequences of disasters, it is the hydrogen storing and distributing. If we use more nuclear energy or even nuclear fusion energy, then hydrogen is a must have, because it is not effective to continuously vary power of nuclear energy stations, so there are always excess energy from nuclear stations into hydrogen. Hydrogen is best intermediate energy carrier for storing and distributing on the earth, especially when combining hydrogen storing and distributing with nuclear energy stations. Hydrogen is the only possible instrument to import and export renewable energy worldwide. You can not pack all energy of period 3 months of solar farms into chemical batteries, but you can pack all them into hydrogen to sell or distribute hydrogen worldwide. It is normal to setup mind that many renewable energy stations are EXCLUSIVE ONLY FOR PRODUCING HYDROGEN, BUT NOT FOR GENERATING DIRECTLY ELECTRICITY. I think that international corporations, especially EU governments, Japan, Korea should soon cooperate with African countries and middle east countries to build network of solar plants + hydrogen production factories for the exclusive business purpose : producing hydrogen and selling hydrogen. America and China, Australia have very big resources of renewable energy (solar, wind), and they can harness much only with hydrogen, then can be big hydrogen exporters too.
Many people complain that it takes so much electricity to receive hydrogen in electrolysis process. Maybe they have offside worry. Electrolysis process requires so much energy, but all energy is transferred into chemical energy of hydrogen with very small loss. In other direction, hydrogen fuel cell extracting all chemical energy of hydrogen directly into electricity with very small loss. The most remarkable difficulty of hydrogen is storing hydrogen. We need some energy to pack hydrogen. But even with that, many detailed countings show that the cost of hydrogen from renewable energy can soon be lower than gas in near future.
In the hydrogen economy, battery electric vehicles can be useful too. But hydrogen vehicles can be as popular as battery electric vehicles in the near future when there are much hydrogen production factories worldwide. Hydrogen cars even can be more popular than battery cars. Many people laugh and doubt about the future popularity of hydrogen cars, they list some reasons, for example, high energy cost. But the main reason of the future popularity of hydrogen cars is not in hydrogen cars. The reason is that, people must use hydrogen as the only reasonable artificial energy carrier on the earth. Any comparisons between battery cars and hydrogen cars are no meaning right now, because we do not have hydrogen now. (We have very less hydrogen, and we are still using fossil fuel). But when we tend to stop fossil fuel, then we must produce a lot of hydrogen. Renewable energy is volatile. Nuclear energy can not continuously change power. Energy itself is volatile too, but only energy carriers are stable. We must synthesize our artificial energy carrier, which is hydrogen, when we stop using natural energy carriers, which are natural gas and oils. So we will have a lot of hydrogen in the future. And the question is that what will you do with hydrogen in transport ? The usual answer is that we will use hydrogen to generate electricity to charge our battery electric vehicles. It is acceptable answer, but it is not so good answer. The other answer is that we can use directly hydrogen in hydrogen cars. When we stop fossil fuel, then of course you will charge your battery cars at night time from hydrogen. The forever uncomfortable problem of charging time of battery cars will be the forever reason for a lot of people to use hydrogen cars. Small battery cars have battery weight about 500kg while hydrogen tanks have weight about 40-100kg.
And the last thing to note is that, hydrogen is not more dangerous than other gases and petrol. Hydrogen has big energy storage capacity, but when burning hydrogen in accidents, IT DOES NOT CREATE ACOUSTIC DESTRUCTING WAVE TO ENVIRONMENTS. It means that hydrogen burning is less destructive than gasoline burning.
Really... lol
There's no more advancements on these subjects. I'll wait for awhile hopefully ABC SCIENCE will have much more videos on these topics. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Hundreds of new batt technologies out there all the time, most won't reach market but it only takes one to change everything. 25:00 he didn't mention power density let alone price.
In November 2018, the cost of a Tesla Powerwall 2 and Gateway in Australia was $12,350 before installation costs. Does anyone have an example calculation for how long the payback period is?
10 or 20 year's
and i don't think you can run the power wall off the main grid. Watch Paul's hardware's videos on youtube.
Maybe it can be used with other off grid energy or have multiples as a backup.
that's a basic, yes
And how much did it cost, and what is the payback period ? Solar is still not economical for most people.
gues what I am writing this from 2020 prices have not dropped that much
You did not mention Tesla or the fact the Li Cobalt is an explosive battery and now they use Li Phosphate.
our lovely hostess here is a twin for one of those american movie stars , Helen Hunt I think
Hello. I am glad Australia is using renewable energy. This although not so electrified country is the not so polluted also so change to that energy is a good moment. Beautiful country with kangaroos, koalas and good looking girls, I love it
Holly shit electricity is expensive in Australia. The US average is about $.12/kWh.
Hello everyone, in 1992 I installed a battery backup system for a hospital, this is not new technology, it's just now reaching out to the residential market... 5, deep cell truck batteries wired in parallel will supply most of any. Houses power needs..
Lithium ion batteries are more less, nickle carbon batteries, the price is based on nickle, the lithium is about 2% of the battery and cost,