If they let you upgrade to the ATLS eventually you could upgrade from a referral bonus like the PTV given it's higher price point but otherwise it does seem a bit of a high price given what it does. Still cheaper than the mule though. The C1 has 4 pilot controlled weapons which will give you a bit more versatility in your weapons loadout. It will also handle better than the CL specifically according to what has been stated but who knows how that will turn out. Based on what has been revealed so far I also prefer the Zeus, it has a lot of practical elements in the layout that are a selling point for me. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the info, but...I'm not sure if you have actually used the ATLS in the PTU when it was available to try, but it is WAAAAY faster when loading (especially) large ships like a C2 in a Large/XLarge hangar. This can move things over 100m where the other tractor beam tools cannot. Also boxes >= 16 SCU will require an ATLS, as the Tractor beam tools will no longer move those large boxses in 3.24.2. They are also going to be using the new tractor beam tech used on the ATLS as upgradable tractor beams on ships as well. As to the walking speed of the ATLS, they have adjusted the "run" speed of it, over what it was in the PTU (but it is still faster than a character running). However, you cannot run while using a tractor beam and ranges on your multi tools are much more limited. I'm looking forward to the ATLS being available for in-game purchase, because it IS a game changer for large haulers.
I haven't done testing personally I made that clear. I've relied on my guildmates that did testing in the PTU. Generally the feedback I heard was that it's a forced purchase/change for too much money because they are changing things with this platform. It was nearly all negative, from the purchase price to no CCU availability, to the speed. The fact that it and ship beams will be the only 24 SCU capable lifters isn't playing well with those I've spoken to. Time will tell though!
@@Zi-TekGaming No worries. I think you should try it for yourself. As I said, it definitely helps when working on loading large ships in XL hangars (esp. while solo). I have no doubt it will eventually be in game for purchase, most likely around the time of 3.24.2, when the changes to tractor beams require it. The ATLS is NOT NECESSARY when working small hangars and small loads - it is faster to just use your mutlitool.
Thanks for the video and the explanations while thinking stuff through. I appreciate it when people talk through their decisions instead of give the bullet points and expect me to figure out the in-between.
Thanks for the update! I think the C1 still has a role, though a lot less compelling one. (not to mention it's $25 cheaper) That role is more of a swiss army knife do-it-all ship. I'm expecting the CL to fly like a brick and be a cargo specialist, where the c1 is still pretty nimble and could ROC mine or bounty hunt or explore etc. It's unclear to me if the Zeus CL has VTOL or VTOL equivalent. If not, then that's a huge bonus for the C1 (long into the future when their flight system comes online and we have diverse gravities etc)
This is a good point I kinda glossed over a bit. Its $25 less now but after release the Zeus will be more than $25 more. I think that may play into its increased capability, compared to the Spirit as well.
Totally agree. Its not like the C1 is useless. Its still a hell of a ship. Actually played with it a bit tonight. Its very capable but I think the price difference makes sense with the enhanced capabilities of the Zeus. The possibilities for the Galaxy have my head spinning a bit, especially when comparing to the C2.
I’ve learned the hard way exactly what you describe. I’ve burned through a few of my precious money saving CCU’s and then things bloody change! Now I regret the ones I’ve used as better ships come out. This is the best advice you will get on YT. Hold onto your CCU’s until the game releases as much is changing and will continue to change.
I agree 100% with your take on the Zeus vs Spirit. I'm guessing the Zeus will be slower and less maneuverable in atmo to keep the Spirit from becoming obsolete.
The lower price point of the C1 also makes sense now that I think about it. I am very interested in seeing what the Interceptor version has in comparison to the other two. It releases later than them.
This is a way better idea! I actually very curious now about the role the Mule will play in the game. It seems like, even with its issues, the ATLS and the hand helds, along with ship tractors will all be more efficient/faster than using a forklift. Maybe there will be areas where a drive is necessary?
I was thinking $40 version would have thrusters, up armored, and some kind of weapon/utility platform (thinking mining or combat here) or massive storage like a mini ROC.
I bit the bullet and bought one with store credit. It sucks at stacking so for old school hauling its not great. For hauling missions, sure it loads a bit faster onto a grid. I think it needs some improvements still.
I would not bet on a "Rework" of old ships. If the Hornet has shown us anything is that CIG puts moeny grabbing over keeping promoses. I expect a Constellation 2, a Frelancer 2 and similar stuff they can sell for money rather than a Rework of old ships already paid for. I have a long list of CCU chains unpressed that won't, until I know what I pledged for will be delivered properly updated. I'm also progressively phasing out all the older ships in my fleet because I have no faith they will ever be properly reworked. Even the Carrak and the MSR already need a Rework. Badly!
The Hornet series was a tragedy and you're probably right. V2 is more likely with all those ships vs a rework. I'm also holding all other chains until the madness ends. When will it end?!?!
I hate when companies are pretending to do ballancing only to nerf old things so to sell you new ATLS or to make new overpowered stuff... here is another great example like always tractorbeams handheld was nerfed so it can't move 32SCU box for that you will need 2 people now and i fyou want to do it solo you have to buy ATLS or have a ship beam
Serious question. How the hell did you get it to stack? Stacking boxes in my c2 took so long I gave up and switched to hand held. Guessing it's a user issue but I really did try
No idea on the G12 but its on the docket for work being done since the reveal last IAE, or maybe it was earlier this year. So probably within the next 2-12 months! lol
I cannot purchase a CCU to the ATLS. I just bought it with store credit and first experience was complete trash. It needs improvement and it's over priced.
Not sure what you are talking about. You can CCU from any vehicle besides the PTV. Thats never an issue and its always possible. Are you just a drama bot?
Picked up some CCUs for my chains thanks for the info. Hopefully by IAE I can finish my polaris and assault chain with over 50% off.
Amazing!
nice info in a good easy format, keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
Good info as always.
Glad you enjoyed it
If they let you upgrade to the ATLS eventually you could upgrade from a referral bonus like the PTV given it's higher price point but otherwise it does seem a bit of a high price given what it does. Still cheaper than the mule though.
The C1 has 4 pilot controlled weapons which will give you a bit more versatility in your weapons loadout. It will also handle better than the CL specifically according to what has been stated but who knows how that will turn out. Based on what has been revealed so far I also prefer the Zeus, it has a lot of practical elements in the layout that are a selling point for me.
Thanks for the video.
Agreed!
I thought $20 would have been a good price. $40... I'll just get it in game.
Agreed. My guess is it will be on the docket for a referral reward at some point so maybe a freebie then, or like you said buy it in game.
Thanks for the info, but...I'm not sure if you have actually used the ATLS in the PTU when it was available to try, but it is WAAAAY faster when loading (especially) large ships like a C2 in a Large/XLarge hangar. This can move things over 100m where the other tractor beam tools cannot. Also boxes >= 16 SCU will require an ATLS, as the Tractor beam tools will no longer move those large boxses in 3.24.2. They are also going to be using the new tractor beam tech used on the ATLS as upgradable tractor beams on ships as well. As to the walking speed of the ATLS, they have adjusted the "run" speed of it, over what it was in the PTU (but it is still faster than a character running). However, you cannot run while using a tractor beam and ranges on your multi tools are much more limited. I'm looking forward to the ATLS being available for in-game purchase, because it IS a game changer for large haulers.
I haven't done testing personally I made that clear. I've relied on my guildmates that did testing in the PTU.
Generally the feedback I heard was that it's a forced purchase/change for too much money because they are changing things with this platform. It was nearly all negative, from the purchase price to no CCU availability, to the speed. The fact that it and ship beams will be the only 24 SCU capable lifters isn't playing well with those I've spoken to. Time will tell though!
@@Zi-TekGaming No worries. I think you should try it for yourself. As I said, it definitely helps when working on loading large ships in XL hangars (esp. while solo). I have no doubt it will eventually be in game for purchase, most likely around the time of 3.24.2, when the changes to tractor beams require it. The ATLS is NOT NECESSARY when working small hangars and small loads - it is faster to just use your mutlitool.
Next patch probably. Most cargo elevators are broken for me right now. Before and after last night's patch.
When i was watching that video about the new Zeus ships it kind of threw off my plans for CCUs too. 😄
It's a good and bad thing at the same time I suppose
Thanks for the video and the explanations while thinking stuff through. I appreciate it when people talk through their decisions instead of give the bullet points and expect me to figure out the in-between.
Welcome, glad it was informative!
Thanks for the update! I think the C1 still has a role, though a lot less compelling one. (not to mention it's $25 cheaper) That role is more of a swiss army knife do-it-all ship. I'm expecting the CL to fly like a brick and be a cargo specialist, where the c1 is still pretty nimble and could ROC mine or bounty hunt or explore etc. It's unclear to me if the Zeus CL has VTOL or VTOL equivalent. If not, then that's a huge bonus for the C1 (long into the future when their flight system comes online and we have diverse gravities etc)
$25 cheaper until the CL releases and we get the real price
This is a good point I kinda glossed over a bit. Its $25 less now but after release the Zeus will be more than $25 more. I think that may play into its increased capability, compared to the Spirit as well.
Totally agree. Its not like the C1 is useless. Its still a hell of a ship. Actually played with it a bit tonight. Its very capable but I think the price difference makes sense with the enhanced capabilities of the Zeus. The possibilities for the Galaxy have my head spinning a bit, especially when comparing to the C2.
I’ve learned the hard way exactly what you describe. I’ve burned through a few of my precious money saving CCU’s and then things bloody change! Now I regret the ones I’ve used as better ships come out. This is the best advice you will get on YT. Hold onto your CCU’s until the game releases as much is changing and will continue to change.
Indeed!
I agree 100% with your take on the Zeus vs Spirit. I'm guessing the Zeus will be slower and less maneuverable in atmo to keep the Spirit from becoming obsolete.
The lower price point of the C1 also makes sense now that I think about it. I am very interested in seeing what the Interceptor version has in comparison to the other two. It releases later than them.
ATLAS should not be a real money thing, they could of done cool progress tree for cargo haulers around it, upgrade/unlocks via cargo missions/rep
This is a way better idea! I actually very curious now about the role the Mule will play in the game. It seems like, even with its issues, the ATLS and the hand helds, along with ship tractors will all be more efficient/faster than using a forklift. Maybe there will be areas where a drive is necessary?
Thank you o7
You're welcome
$25 as it is now, $40 when it has thrusters
I was thinking $40 version would have thrusters, up armored, and some kind of weapon/utility platform (thinking mining or combat here) or massive storage like a mini ROC.
Its not slow at loading. Overpriced? Definitely. But certainly not slow at cargo ops.
I bit the bullet and bought one with store credit. It sucks at stacking so for old school hauling its not great. For hauling missions, sure it loads a bit faster onto a grid. I think it needs some improvements still.
Ridiculously over-priced .... even for CIG!
Now that's saying something.
I thought it is actually relatively cheap for the utility.
I'm guessing the C1 will be faster and more maneuverable than the Zeus. That will be the tradeoff
And a lower price!
I would not bet on a "Rework" of old ships. If the Hornet has shown us anything is that CIG puts moeny grabbing over keeping promoses. I expect a Constellation 2, a Frelancer 2 and similar stuff they can sell for money rather than a Rework of old ships already paid for.
I have a long list of CCU chains unpressed that won't, until I know what I pledged for will be delivered properly updated.
I'm also progressively phasing out all the older ships in my fleet because I have no faith they will ever be properly reworked.
Even the Carrak and the MSR already need a Rework. Badly!
The Hornet series was a tragedy and you're probably right. V2 is more likely with all those ships vs a rework.
I'm also holding all other chains until the madness ends. When will it end?!?!
I hate when companies are pretending to do ballancing only to nerf old things so to sell you new ATLS or to make new overpowered stuff... here is another great example like always tractorbeams handheld was nerfed so it can't move 32SCU box for that you will need 2 people now and i fyou want to do it solo you have to buy ATLS or have a ship beam
NGL, I am nearly incapable of using the ship beams lol. I suck so bad at it.
Fills my M2 in about 5 min. Create a problem and sell them a solution. UGh they marketed this poorly
Serious question. How the hell did you get it to stack? Stacking boxes in my c2 took so long I gave up and switched to hand held. Guessing it's a user issue but I really did try
I want a C1😁
It's still a good ship! Better for solo than the Zeus will be I am guessing
Would love a ccu for arrow this IAE. And any idea when they are releasing g12?
No idea on the G12 but its on the docket for work being done since the reveal last IAE, or maybe it was earlier this year. So probably within the next 2-12 months! lol
Their current marketing push makes them look really desperate and this being $10-20 overpriced is just out of touch
Yeah, really not sure about the pricing on this ATLS. Especially without a CCU option
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The price is great people are just hating on the game and you CAN CCU it stop spreading misinformation
I cannot purchase a CCU to the ATLS.
I just bought it with store credit and first experience was complete trash. It needs improvement and it's over priced.
@@Zi-TekGaming you CAN CCU from it and your video willingly omits that’s to farm drama?
Not sure what you are talking about. You can CCU from any vehicle besides the PTV. Thats never an issue and its always possible. Are you just a drama bot?