Wonderful honest review of the Golf R. Before purchasing mine, I looked at all the other options. For me, I like the subtle nature of the Golf R. It has some speed, but it doesn't look like it at all. It looks like a Golf with extra exhaust ports. No flash. No attention grabbing. I like that. The people that know, turn heads. The people that don't, completely sleep on this car and that's what's wonderful about this ride. I don't need to shoot flames out the exhaust with the factory system (RS), I don't need the insanely huge spoilers (Type-R, STI). I'm a simple grown man. My "fast and furious" days are way behind me... but I still like a little kick from time to time.
Personally that is a similar reason to why I plan to purchase a Veloster N in the coming months, styling wise it is pretty tame compared to say the Type R but enough to stand out and make people wonder what's special about it. Also it fits my budget better than a golf R would and the RS was sadly placed on the chopping block by Ford
@@coser293 I preferred the Focus ST more than the Focus RS for the same reasons. Enough flare to know there's something up, but not enough to be garish.
I am with you 100% even with the Subaru STI- if i do get that one it will be with the WHALE tale DELETE option:) The SHOCK of when you put your foot into it especially in a plain white etc color will shock most-UNLESS an enthusiasts. FYI, the R can be upgraded to a stage 3 with a porting solution and 0-60 n 3.3 FLAT all day long- it beet my super charged mustang by a LARGE distance- i was CRYING inside:( did not expect a vw to shame a supercharged mustang!
.... Bought a 2019 R with conviction after reviewing your critique(20 times)-I am so pleased with the vehicle-great car even for "a young" 70 year old-it is sooo good, period!!
I bought my R in 2019 after two Mk 6 GTI’s. All have been reliable, 250k in my first GTI without a problem and in Australia, all VW’s come with 5yr unlimited km warranties. I love the subtle looks. I love my R and about to get a software upgrade.
@@rongambol9910 who are you going with for the tune? I have a '17 Audi A5 2.0 TFSI and I am also looking closely at what options are available in Australia.
One of my buddy has a Dec 2018 one. He tuned it up a little with a little bit more boost, better intake manifold, better intercooler, and it makes around 360 whp. It feels very brisk and feels stronger than a Mustang GT 480bhp. The driving assistances are insane, and even at around 210km/h you still have lane assist and automatic braking. I went from Turin to Paris in one morning and was on time for lunch with Mom. It really is insane.
Being a '17 R owner, I came here expecting to scrub through the video to get a general idea of your thoughts and I ended up staying for the whole video. Just real review info and then some with no BS. Subbed!
Cru Jones hi, do you have an oil catch can on your 2017 R? How are you addressing carbon build up on a Direct injection engine with a turbo on a performance car?
@@bennyang8049 Hi Benny - depending on the version NA -DI or EU-MP some models come with MultiPort injection. Low RPM engages port injectors which helps keep the valves in better condition. My Au R16 has the port injector rail from factory.
@@kfritz3that’s funny. I’m looking at a $29k 2017 R with 57k miles tomorrow lol. I’m in MN and it came from Florida. You still think your price was worth it? I’m kinda scratching my head on spending that much on a car with 60000 miles on it.
I appreciate the lack of "fluff" and the deadpan delivery. No "OH WOWW THE ACCELERATION!", just a little smirk - maybe even a smile. I subscribed because you seem like someone you could kick back and have a beer with while talking cars. And I like that you actually *do* things with cars and get your hands dirty. I appreciate the "real world" nature of your reviews :)
Savagegeese ...Finally a no fan boy approach to commonsense automotive research. I have been binge watching these videos and really enjoy the full honesty of every contributor. Now once he starts getting his sponsors for his million dollar a month life goal I don't think anyone will be honest again. But in the meantime, i love this monotone mothereffer and his rag tag crew of honest mechanics. Awesome, just Awesome!
My wife has an old golf r32, which shes had for nearly ten years. It still goes well, looks fine and best of all is worth almost what we paid for it. That makes it probably the best car weve ever had. That kind of quality is worth bearing in mind when youre thinking of buying one. They are expensive but its well worth it in the long run, in my opinion.
@@RM-tn4lo you are right. If it was just a mk 5 golf we would have sold it years ago. It's all about the feel and noise of that engine plus there's the added bonus that I can hear her arriving from miles away....gives me time to stop doing whatever it was I was doing.....
Agree on the overuse of piano black interior trim. I feel like it's an attempt to look classy, but it's just cheap hard touch plastic that develops hairline scratches and swirls if you breathe on it. On these superbright LED displays, I just want a night mode: everything ultra-dimmable and RED, allowing your eyes to stay adjusted to low light. Driving hours at night is fatiguing enough, but doubly so when you have white, blue, or green gauges.
It's weird because 2015-2017 Golf GTIs and Rs had a gloss black trim with a matte hexagon pattern on it. This really helped cover up a lot of smudges and dust since it wasn't as reflective. It looks like they are using the gloss black plastics from the base Golfs in these models now.
The carbon issue is present on all direct injected engines from all manufacturers. The EA888 gen 3 engine used in all current VWs has a vastly improved PCV system to help eliminate the carbon buildup, especially compared to first and second gen EA888 or EA113. The Gen 3 motors have been in production now for 6 years and there are few complaints about carbon buildup becoming an issue like it was on the first DI motors from VW, Lexus, Mercedes and BMW. No car is immune to it, but there's a common belief that driving the car really hard every so often is key to heating up the valves enough to burn off any carbon deposits. It wouldn't stop me from buying the Golf R or any VW or any DI car currently for sale.
I'd like to thank you guys for bringing up the issue of carbon buildup in the intake valves causing misfires. It is precisely what was happening with MY car (not a Golf R, but also turbo and direct injection). After multiple failures at the "stealership" doing multiple warranty repair/replacements, I had it fixed by walnut blasting the carbon buildup... issue solved! Thanks a million!
Ive owned a ton of cars...about 40 in 20 years of driving. Past highlights are, 2016 dodge charger scat pack, 2017 mustang gt, 2014 focus st, 2009 cobalt ss/tc sedan, multiple 4th gen camaros, 2013 camaro ss 1le with cam/twin turbos... my 2018 golf r is by far my favorite. i can jump in it and drive normal to work, then hit some back roads and have fun. This is by far the most fun 0 to 70 car ive ever owned. nailing every shift leaving a light is soo much fun. Its stock for now, but will get a tune. I love the understated look. My charger scat pack was fun, B5 blue and everytime i got gas, people wanted to talk to me. When I had my twin turbo camaro, I had the same situation, between the cammed exhaust and whistle of turbos, people were always curious. Now I can sneak in and out of places and nobody knows the car is special at all.
From the music, to the lift and the driving, these reviews are in another league. And you even showed the rear with the seats folded down - something so few reviewers think to do when reviewing hatchback vehicles. I've never thought much about Patreon, but I'm thinking about it now.
Digital displays are cool. But I highly doubt they'll ever have the reliability of actual gauges. Not to mention displays in cars always look outdated rather quickly. That's why maybach doesnt put screens in its cars. To keep it timeless
There is a spring on the clutch pedal that assists in bringing the pedal down. Also a restriction valve on the clutch line. Removal of both makes for a much more enjoyable experience.
"... Also a restriction valve on the clutch line..." Everyone(OEMs) is guilty of doing that on their manual cars at one point or another. I remember when LS F-Bodies came out people doing the same Mod on the manual cars.
I'm on my 7th VW and still no problems. Owning 2 right now MK2 Jetta GLI Vr6(engine swap) and a 2018 MK7.5 GTI. It's really a curse. Not a huge fan boy by far since i love plenty of other cars but you can't really beat the price, standard, technology, drivability, etc. Hence the reason why i keep coming back. I do all the work myself and void the warranty every time within a month of owning LOL. i think they're great cars and have never really experienced a bad VW. Some designs i do question like plastic intake manifold and plastic oil plans but it is what is and blame the advances in technology we all have to accept and just adapt to it even the problems it may bring. BTW, easiest way to remove a plug. Push the plug in, pull the clip back with your thumb and pull it out. It'll come out every time without breaking.
Absolutely the best channel to go to when you really want an absolute in depth review of a car. No need to go anywhere else for more info! Keep it up man.
Agreed on the lack of 'soul' - but German cars don't have souls. They have logic. The R is a point-shoot car that's a tool instead of an expression. Regardless, "this" is the best review of the R on TH-cam - thank you for putting it out there and well done!
It's a Volkswagen (people's car). The brand was never about being extravagant but being functional and then, affordable. Which now it is not anymore for a lot of people but I digress. It is still all about function, perfect sleeper car.
@@TheChannel1978 Idk, they're actually perfectly affordable still. The lower base and even mid models always have great lease specials being run and you can get 4 to 6k off sticker on almost every vehicle they produce on finance or cash, sans the Golf R regrettably. But the higher models are value bargains compared to the competition for the most part as long as you can live with fwd(in the R, most obviously awd) and '18 and 19's have wonderful warranties which carry over if you buy them a year or 2 down the line at a steep discount as well. GTI Autobahns are overpriced on sticker, but get one a year and a half old with 14k miles, it still has 5 and a half years of bumper to bumper with almost 60k and it goes in the higher mid-20's, that's pretty great.
I'm one of those MK7 Golf R owners with a stage 20 tune who's never had any issues with it. It's been on par with the most reliable cars I've owned, and I've owned a DC Integra.
Just bought a 2019 Golf R DSG and I watched your review half a dozen times. "Duality" you summed it up perfectly. It's a REAL performance street car and can do nearly anything a smaller/mid size suv can do for your daily needs. It's really quite fantastic.
Best review on this car period and really, dude might be the best reviewer, period. I wish he did a review on the DSG version of this car so we could have directly compared reviews. Straight Pipes did and that was a really solid review, but they got away from the actual comparison/point of that review and it just turned into a decent review of both cars instead of touching on the in depth stuff of driving each transmission and all the dynamics that changed. Anywho, great review of a great car.
Quick mention. I have a 2016 R with the DCT. This car has been tuned since month 2 after purchase. Stage 2 ecu stage 3 transmission tune. Really, no issues other than maintainence and typical wear items. I drive it very hard, too. Just do your maintainence, and don't hesitate if you suspect an issue. Precision engineering requires persistent care.
I’ve owned a 08 gti / 12 R / 15 gti and never had issues with any of them besides a pcv valve on the 08 gti . I know people do have problems but I’ve always raced mine and beat the piss out of them but always do the maintenance and everything just always works . Tuning is one of the best reasons for this car . 1500.00 has this car punching way above its weight in straight line performance .
Wow... just wow, that's all I have to say about this review. Exceptional videography, thorough analysis of some of the main selling points of this car, no bullsh*t. Great quality review but a super underrated content creator. Thank you @savagegeese
"Lets say you have this car for 5 or 6 years..." I've had my '03 GTI VR6 for 16 years now! Some VW's really do last, with a minimal amount of problems or issues. Haven't even changed the timing chains yet.
_"Some VW's really do last"_ - True, but the problem is that it's so hit-or-miss, and they tend to have serious issues like high pressure pump failures that hit hard. For those who aren't leasing and truly care about reliability, VW will never be an option.
@@georgehugh3455 Not generalizing much, are we? I"ve had a '87 Golf II (bought at 100k km, sold at 160k km), a "96 Golf III TDI (bought at 46k km and gifted my brother-in-law at 160k km when I moved to the US. He then traded it off after having a family of his own). There I had a 2012 Jetta SE which I boguth with 10k miles and traded it in at the dealer with 155k miles. All of these above mentioned vehicles just received regular maintenance and had repairs due to accidents (not at fault). I am now 6k miles into a 2019 Jetta GLI DSG and have so far loved every mile. I am not saying this is typical for VW, but my track record of having zero issues somewhat contradicts your "if you truly care about reliability you can't buy this" statement.
@@dereklohmann6681 _"Generalizing much"?_ Of course! That is how we judge reliability, not by the anecdotal evidence of a couple besot VW owners. _Consumer Reports_ takes GENERAL data across the wide spectrum of VW owners and found the Golf and Jetta to have its WORST rating on the Fuel System Reliability up thru 2013 and, second lowest rating on models since then. If you want some specifics, do a Google search on high pressure fuel pump failures and read a few of the horror stories on how costly and ugly this can get. *Like most brand/model design reliability problems, YMMV.* Hell, you _could probably_ drive pregnant women to the hospital in a Land Rover without a breakdown, but I'd pack a lot of blankets and sterile water.... I'm glad your purchases worked for you. I was seriously considering purchasing one for my wife but opted out based on the data. *The VW fuel system failures are fairly well known,* but certainly vary from model to model. The 2011 Recall of over 168,000 '09-12 Jetta/Golf/A3's TDI's for debris developing in the high pressure fuel pumps leading to $8-9,000 repairs mirrors what I said. The Fed'l Transportation Safety Board investigation that was initiated into 241,000 VW's for fuel system problems indicates that not everybody had perfect cars like you. The 2016/7 Recall of five years of Passats and eight years of CC's for fuel pump problems sounds less than "reliable."
I've owned one of these delightful cars for three trouble-free years now. The thing I love about it - aside from the fantastic performance and handling - is the undertated styling that becomes more attractive the more you look at it. That its' now seven years old and still looks classy and modern is a testament to VW's depth of engineering.
Any chance you’ll give an update 2 years later? Do you still have it? Any issues? I’m looking at a 2016 and a 2018 golf R. I’m have very novice/surface level VW knowledge and don’t know about the longevity, maintenance, or any known issues on these things.
Unfortunately I sold the car. Not because there was anything wrong with it but I don't keep cars beyond two or three years of age. Big regret though. Still waiting on the 20th anniversary MK8R. Meantime I've bought a GR Yaris, which is also fantastic and I probably won't ever sell it. Regarding reliability, not a lot goes wrong with a well maintained MK7. My advice would always be to buy the best car you can afford with the lowest mileage, that has proof of a service history with a VW-Approved mechanic. Definitely wish I'd hung onto mine, that's for certain. Cheers
I have a 2015 Golf R that I bought with 40K miles on it. I now have almost 72K miles on it and the only "failure" was the cable shifter. Other than that it's been great. I run it in "Comfort" mode for everyday and use "Race" occasionally on mountain roads. I'm very pleased with it.
Probably the best review I've seen on this car. One of the best car reviews in general that I've seen. You really don't overdo it at all. There are a lot of reviewers who freak out about everything. You're really chill, and I literally watched the entire video instead of skipping through, like I'd originally thought I was going to. I subscribed. Great vid. Probably gonna pick up a Golf R at some point haha.
@@jackdaniels2905 I sold the Golf R with 18,000 miles on it (during those crazy days where dealers were offering you the full MSRP for used cars!) My R had no issues to speak of. All I had was 2 very slightly bent front rims that the dealer said they could easily fix. Otherwise, the car was outstanding until the end! I always warn tho, that VWs can have little issues as they age. Mostly annoyances, but mine was flawless. The paint is a little soft tho, so you may have some chips.
I lasted 2 years with my 2016 golfr before trading it in, it was the best car I've owned to date but the driving experience was numb and I was so bored with it. Imo its the perfect car to have if you have a project car on the side.
Just straight facts... not trying to be funny or entertaining, just a simplistic, comprehensive review of a car from how it drives, to its exterior/interior, and how it's put together.
I meant to mention this the first time I watch your awesome review. Yes you can adjust the screen brightness guys. I checked and it's in the same location as in the new Jetta's menu. There is a screen brightness setting under the car main settings menu so you can dim it down to a more livable and normal level.
There is a Golf R plus its called Seat Leon Cupra R. Exactly what you are looking for at the end summary. It looks a lot better, it handles more raw, it has a stiffer ride, its a lot more edgy, and connected, and I'm saying this changing to one from a wrx... (having tested the Golf R before buying the seat)
Anonymity in the world of constant social media bombardment is a HUGE plus in my books. I own an MK7.5 and I love the anonymity. Mark's reviews are like breath of fresh air in a room full of flatulating influencers pretending to be car reviewers.
10:04 This three minute technology exposition of driving dynamics where the drivetrain is controlled by an onboard realtime performance data feed helped my anticipate and understand the Hyundai Ioniq N.
Thanks you for listening to viewer feedback! also thank you for featuring a manual transmission, as I find the DSG very played out and overhyped for this model in specific
I want a work car that i can go see clients in: one that has genuine performance, yet isn't conspicuously sporty or worse, upmarket. That handles, but wont embarrass me if i drive onto a building site. Has heaps of interior room, yet isnt an SUV! The Golf R was made for me.
Any of you ever use a DSG gearbox as a daily? cause it really is fun to drive.. I think people get overzealous with the stick makes it better mentality. I drove stick my whole life an been using a DSG last couple of years as a daily. It's just as fun. Also don't get leg fatigue in bad traffic or at lights on a decline. Anyways to each their own I guess.
Just put 7500 miles on a 2016 s3. Bought at 64k approaching 72k now. (156 mile commute Monday through Friday) Got a really good deal obviously. My opinion so far: the s3 is stock and more enjoyable than both my manual and automatic 335i n54 cars were when fbo running e30 blend jb4g5 pb and alpina b3 tcu flash on the auto. My only issue with the car is the rear suspension clunking when in comfort mode. 30mpg Launches harder than my 2019 charger 392 scatpack did. Brings levels of joy to drive above any other car I’ve ever owned. And it’s stock. I’ve owned a fiberglass light weight wide body rb25 gutted and full race prep. 2 335i, 2 e30s , e36 m3, as far as a few of the “drivers cars” Ive put over 6k miles on. If this thing doesn’t start breaking every 15k miles it will be my favorite car I’ve ever owned. Can’t wait to do a few things to it. 10/10 stars so far.
good thing about your reviews is that you talk like a normal person, use every-day vocabulary & don't exaggerate every 5 seconds. it's actually relaxing to watch your videos. good job :)
He made a good point there at the end and I thinks it’s important to state that VW has really never set out to build the most sporty hatchback in the segment. They are always the best all-around experience, good at many things but not great at anything in particular. I think a car like that is something very desirable for someone like me who only has the money and space for one car. I own and Mk6 gti and that’s exactly why I baught it, because it was enjoyable pretty much all of the time and not just when you’re lighting up the tires. My runner up was a Mazdaspeed 3 which was a really fun and engaging car but when I got behind the wheel of the gti I found that it was fun more of the time. That being said, VWs are arguably one of the most tunable cars on the market right now with the 3rd gen EA888 so you can also scratch the tuning itch if you please.
I'm continually impressed by how well shot these videos are. Your unique style aside, the shots are high quality as is your audio. My screen is showing some scenes a little darker than I'd like, but it does contribute to a look and I feel I think you are intentionally cultivating (successfully). Well done and keep up the good work.
I personally would choose the R if could afford it. I like tuning vw/Audis. I prefer unitronic and giac tunes. I also love to go with a nice set of coilovers on vw/Audis. They always look so good like it was meant to be. I have a b5 manual Passat now with a simple tune, downpipe, and h&r springs and it really transformed the car into something really fun for not a lot of money.
Probably the best review of the Golf R I've seen on TH-cam. There's a mod you can do to remove the clutch delay valve in the car and that gives you the connection to the the transmission that the stock setup doesn't.
25:23, at that RPM in 4th Gear, He was EASILY going over 140 KM/H, almost 90mph. We know the tire size, the RPM, transmission ratios, and the gear, so we can do the math. Edit: Let's do the math! He topped out at 6000RPM in 4th gear. 4th has a 1.09:1 ratio, and then there is the stage 1 final drive of 4.24:1. So, 6000/1.09 (Engine RPM through 4th gear) = ~5,504.587/4.24 (4th gear output to final drive to wheels) = ~1,298.252 tire revolutions per minute. Ok, so we know the tires are 235/35R19. That's a circumference and distance of 2032mm per revolution. so 2032*~1,298.252 = ~2,638,047.429 mm per minute. Let's convert in to KM. ~2,638,047.429/1000000 (the number of mm in a km) * 60 (number of minutes in an hour) = ~158.283 km/h or just about ~98.353mph. DAYUM son, dats fast! Edit 2: at 30:14, they show the dash footage of the 4th gear pull to 98, and you can see that the speedo reads the typical 2mph/3km/h faster than true speed that VW has used for at least the last 20 years for their speedos. So looks like my math was correct! That's exciting!
@@BrakRulesAll GPS isn't always reliable. VWs definitely read fast, at least in Canada. You can see this if you look at OBDII data, because it will show a lower speed than displayed on the dash. Also, when your phone is connected to your car, your phone uses the car's GPS which gets it speed from the wheels instead of the GPS, so you don't get contradicting info from your GPS vs the car. ;)
@@BrakRulesAll It's not Nonsense... GPS is line of sight. Simply putting your hand over the antenna will block GPS. When your phone is in the cubby, plugged into the car, it can't get GPS. How did you think it works in there? Magic? 😂
Great review! Subscribed. 2017 mk7 golfr dsg owner here. Always curious to see how reviews line up with my own thoughts on the car. I agree with a lot of his opinions. I bought it as a fast, polished, winter capable car to carry around my kid that my non driving enthusiast wife could drive (and she loves it way more than she expected to). It's so comfortable and capable, with such a polished chassis and stability control system that you're just in awe of what it can do regardless of road conditions. I get out of it and shake my head sometimes at how it seems to bend physics laws. People call a 'mini gtr' and it might just be...But it doesn't draw driving passion out of me like my FBO mazdaspeed 6 which is rawer and slower but more of a hoot to punch around. Just to add i'm 1.5 years and 36000km in, nothing but oil changes and cabin filters yet. Doesn't burn any oil. Hoping it stays that way. Looking forward to more content on your channel.
Just went from an A3 hatch to a Golf R a few months ago and I can agree with almost all of your comments. Its the car for the enthusiast that still has to commute and also has kids. Fun and functional with just a little hot sauce on top. The piano trim is completely asinine - i carry a micro-fiber towel and wipe down the display a lot (yes I do .. don't judge me .. lol)
I'm thinking about making the switch to a Golf R from my A3. It will be a daily just like my A3. Since I still have to haul my kids around, how does the space in the back seat compare to the A3? The specs seem very similar, but some advise from a previous A3 driver would be nice. Thanks
The space is comparable .. maybe a little less in the cargo area for the R because of the AWD imposing a bit and I don't think you can put the load floor lower down (like you can in a GTI) - but there is some usable space below the load floor. The USDM R doesn't come with a spare, which is odd given that Euro cars have it .. but I digress. Otherwise, the space is very comparable to the A3 hatch. I've had one nagging rattle from a trim piece behind the rear view mirror but otherwise the car has been exactly what I wanted .. and oddly, I've enjoyed the more upscale interior and features more than the performance, to be honest. I daily commute a couple hours a day but I didn't want to give up the manual or occasional blast along a B road, so there really was no other option for me. The performance is great but about 50hp short of what I'd like .. still though, as a package, its hard to beat (or even come close to for those of us that are going to daily drive it). Good luck.
Hey little tip with the VW connectors. Push the end in towards the sensor then lift with your finger on the clip until you hear a very minute click. Then just pull it off. I own 3 VAG cars and my 01 gti has 291k miles and almost no broken connectors
Just picked one of these up and pretty much agree with everything you said. One note of caution is that the stock clutch on the manual version can handle no more than stock power (and sometimes not even that). A great car to own during warranty.
@@TWOhype23 I sold it for a hellcat, then sold that for a raptor, then sold that for an STI, then sold that for a Mustang GT, but I do think back fondly about the R, it's a great little car. Probably all the car anyone needs if we're really being honest with ourselves.
ive been stalking mk7 R's for the better part of 6 months.. i truly feel having the pre-faced lift mk7 is the better choice.. the mechanical gauges look the part for this car.. the smaller infotainment screen works just as well but incorporates a few more buttons on the side for added tactile feel.. the 2017 gets the pretoria wheels which were just made for this car.. aside from equipping tt rs 5 spoke wheels and wrapping it in nardo grey i dont see how this car couldnt be a more perfect daily.. the dsg is equally as good also.. what you sacrifice in driver involvement you completely make up for in raw speed and durability.. keep kicking out these kick ass reviews.. id really like to see you review a cadillac ats-v sedan as that car would seem to be more a driver based vehicle plus i feel it will become a used market bargain after 5-10 years.. but isnt that what gm does anyways lol.. thanks Mark
30:34 It did help Mr. Goose. And I could totally sense your intent to fall for this car, had it added up a bit more of 'soul' as you say it and some rawness, if I may say. I love your understated reviews as well, and not asking explicitly for subscribing add to your charm. You got me already mate, keep'em coming.
Great video. The image of you jerking on the passenger seat is pure gold. LOL. The Golf R is a very nice car. Nice and simple, inside and out. Great utility and great speed/handling when you want to have some fun. I would own one. I own a 2013 BMW 328i xdrive and I love it. BMW gets flak for boring interiors but I love the simplicity and functionality of their designs, as opposed to Audis which look like fighter jets inside. Some people like that, I never did. I'm at 60k right now and I haven't had a single issue with the car but I do take it in for regular service and take good care of it.
Keep the car to 85-90k and enjoy replacing oil pan gasket and the power steering fluid container gasket. Dont' worry though... it'll only cost a few grand at an independent.
+bassandtrebleclef Yep, to hell with owning a car you have to replace something on after enjoying it for years! Better to buy an old Corolla that won't ever need any of that done! And you can enjoy how much of a fun to drive, sporty, nice car it is too...oh...
@@Shintsu2 Why should BMW oil pan gaskets, hoses and rubber materials have significantly shorter life spans than every other car on the road? I know they're made out of elfin tears and unicorn farts, but come on...
You must be joking. Audi’s are just a premium VW and have long been the leader of interiors that BMW and Mercedes have chased. Audi interiors have been renowned for their uncluttered simplicity of design.
On this and the GTI (I have a GTI), the pedal and shifter from the factory are extraordinarily soft. For the clutch, replace the clutch bleed valve with one from ESC (the factory one has an impeller in it to purposely make the clutch velvety), put in steal braided clutch line, put a clutch stop in, a short shifter, and steel bushings, and you're clutch and shifter will be far more engaged. Total cost for the parts is about $400. Worth every penny of it.
Golf R owner here. I love this car. I do wish it had a bit more "soul" - I used a tool to turn down the volume of the Soundaktor (the thing that pumps artificial noise into the cabin) so I can hear more turbo/induction noise and now I can actually hear the exchaust. I want more real noise! That said - regarding the clutch - that was the one thing that drove me nuts. Coming from a Focus ST where the engagement was so much better, it just felt too sterile for me. Yes, it's smooth. What i ended up doing was removing a restrictor in the clutch line that helps smooth out the action. Made the update much quicker, but did add some jerk until I got used to the action. Now it's much better. Piano Black - now I can draw boobs on it a day after dusting it... And Scott, yeah, those plastic caps are a bit annoying.
Yep, the clutch bleeder block mod makes a world of difference. Plus a Dieselgeek short shifter. Plus an H&R rear bar. And so on. Yeah, it's a sickness.
Nice point on the digital cockpit durability issue. It's strange that North American units come from Germany and yet the engine doesn't come with dual injection.
Could somebody please explain why is that when the dual injection would solve the carbon buildup issue. Just doesn't make sense not to install it. How much more could it cost? Would it be possible to order the components from Europe and install it on US Golf R's and have the dealership code them?
Howdy! I am not a pro but I try to help you, so far here is what I have read and understand. Since direct injection bypasses some steps of port injection, the fuel and additive/detergents are not given enough time to burn thoroughly and therefore result to carbon buildup in long term. Port injection on the other hand injects fuel and detergents somewhere behind the valves and not directly into the cylinder. It's longer proces enables better burning of fuel. Sorry I don't live in the USA so I can't comment on the dealership thing. I have seen some aftermarket tuners doing port injection retrofit on some forums though.
The carbon cake comes from recirculated crankcase oil vapors and EGR gasses that are put back through the intake system. Since no fuel is sprayed down the intake (only directly in cylinder after valves are shut), there is no "washing" of the intake to prevent oil/gas vapors from sticking and burning onto hot surfaces. The only fix is a catch-can filter to take the oil and hydrocarbons out of the stream that gets recirculated back through the intake. Obviously with turbocharged engines, the cylinder pressures are quite high compared to any n/a engine, so there will be greater piston ring blow-by and therefore more vapors moved out of the crankcase back through the intake. Sometimes people are just better off with a big displacement V8 and port injection, with tall highway gears that allow the engine to turn slow at speed. All this turbocharged little engine stuff is more complex and more expensive and more prone to failure.
Bought my 2017 R brand new, thought I couldn't be happier until I installed the APR Stage 1 and Pilot Sport 4S, beast mode activated....for real. You may call it Golf R Plus, with a soul.
I like the Golf R. Seriously shopped last year and in the end I bought a GTI mainly because with much of the same stuff it was 16K cheaper. I had 2 kids in college at the time so it was really the right choice. One just graduated so when/if she gets a job I may revisit the choice. I think the plastic trim in the GTI is easier to keep looking clean with its crosshatch pattern and duller finish. As an old guy I would feel a little silly in a Type R or Focus RS. For me the Golf R would be perfect. More go than show. I would love to see a switchable exhaust for a bit more sound but that may be asking a lot these days.
The variance in reliability stories can be explained by different driving habits. One of our buddies in the community kept getting massive issues with his car. Later when we observed him driving, he would start a cold motor and then immediately go full throttle, would shift at 4000rpm just daily driving, would keep revs at 5-6 grand for minutes sometimes in daily commutes. This is a niche automobile and a lot of users have different expectations etc. Make sure my oil is up to temp before giving it full throttle. For me, I stay on the safe side and do much early oil changes, much earlier spark plug changes etc. Basically half the service intervals. Even look at the passat owners and the jetta owners, a lot of them are clueless college students who don't know what an oil change is or double their service intervals etc cause they can't afford them and then take it to pep boys and get a 20$ oil change. There is a lot more to it then all VWs are bad.
Excellent review and agree with everything stated. As a Mk7 GTI owner myself, the R is the better car, though I went with the GTI given the price differential. I just couldn't justify the almost 15k difference between what I paid for my GTI new and a new R in 2015 when I got it. Also, can echo the concerns on reliability. I've got 63k on the clock on mine and it's been solid, though this is the time when that starts becoming a concern. I will say, I've had to replace a coil for a misfire already, and while I confirmed it wasn't carbon buildup (luckily don't have much where it's a performance or operating concern even at 63k), it was an issue. Other than that though, I've yet to have had a failure with mine otherwise related to the drivetrain. I'm optimistic but given the niggles and preventative maintenance required compared to say a Honda or Toyota drivetrains, it's definitely not as solid. I'd say it's a 4.5/5 for the average VW product but probably a 3.5/5 compared to the competition as a whole in it's segment for reliability and maintenance costs as a whole.
Great review. Great humor, candor, details, etc. I just got a ‘18 Golf R with manual transmission, largely for the reasons you laid out. I appreciate the understated approach (respectability) , ability to commute comfortably, and to have as much fun driving as I can reasonably suppose to have. The clutch and shifter could be more engaging, but that ease is an advantage in stop/go traffic. And as a 40-yr old professional, I can take a detour onto farm roads and be astounded at the confidence with which I can approach sharp curves, at a price point that really isn’t bad for the performance, technology, and fun this vehicle brings. Sure, a Focus RS, Civic Type R are more engaging, but I’ve grown well past that look, without wanting to give up all that fun.
The connectors you need to use a U-hook picking tool, shave off the sharp end to minimize any shaving of the plastic. I used to have a hard time trying to disconnect them. I can almost do them blindfolded. BEFORE using the picking tool, push them in as they tend to hang up on the locking tab. Great review!
savagegeese is the only car channel where I need to watch every minute of it, not skipping any parts.. impressive.
Dead on Henry. Mark by far is the best. Tells it like it is.
True to that.
He's like Garrison Keillor if the sex pest rumours were true.
@ That is just gross to think about.
same with me
Wonderful honest review of the Golf R. Before purchasing mine, I looked at all the other options. For me, I like the subtle nature of the Golf R. It has some speed, but it doesn't look like it at all. It looks like a Golf with extra exhaust ports. No flash. No attention grabbing. I like that. The people that know, turn heads. The people that don't, completely sleep on this car and that's what's wonderful about this ride. I don't need to shoot flames out the exhaust with the factory system (RS), I don't need the insanely huge spoilers (Type-R, STI). I'm a simple grown man. My "fast and furious" days are way behind me... but I still like a little kick from time to time.
Personally that is a similar reason to why I plan to purchase a Veloster N in the coming months, styling wise it is pretty tame compared to say the Type R but enough to stand out and make people wonder what's special about it. Also it fits my budget better than a golf R would and the RS was sadly placed on the chopping block by Ford
@@coser293 I preferred the Focus ST more than the Focus RS for the same reasons. Enough flare to know there's something up, but not enough to be garish.
Though given its tuning potential you can get quite the kick from it while keeping the sleeper look. How's the reliability?
I am with you 100% even with the Subaru STI- if i do get that one it will be with the WHALE tale DELETE option:) The SHOCK of when you put your foot into it especially in a plain white etc color will shock most-UNLESS an enthusiasts. FYI, the R can be upgraded to a stage 3 with a porting solution and 0-60 n 3.3 FLAT all day long- it beet my super charged mustang by a LARGE distance- i was CRYING inside:( did not expect a vw to shame a supercharged mustang!
Good , you should buy what you desire.
.... Bought a 2019 R with conviction after reviewing your critique(20 times)-I am so pleased with the vehicle-great car even for "a young" 70 year old-it is sooo good, period!!
I'm 49 and looking so hard at the Golf R. It doesn't strike me as a teenager's racer.
@@patrickbyr I bought my Golf R October 2017 it's an 18 model in manual and it's a peach , I love it and would recommend the R to anyone.
I bought my R in 2019 after two Mk 6 GTI’s. All have been reliable, 250k in my first GTI without a problem and in Australia, all VW’s come with 5yr unlimited km warranties. I love the subtle looks. I love my R and about to get a software upgrade.
@@rongambol9910 who are you going with for the tune? I have a '17 Audi A5 2.0 TFSI and I am also looking closely at what options are available in Australia.
Way to go sir!
One of my buddy has a Dec 2018 one. He tuned it up a little with a little bit more boost, better intake manifold, better intercooler, and it makes around 360 whp. It feels very brisk and feels stronger than a Mustang GT 480bhp. The driving assistances are insane, and even at around 210km/h you still have lane assist and automatic braking. I went from Turin to Paris in one morning and was on time for lunch with Mom. It really is insane.
Own a 2017 with 6 speed. Love it, love it, love it. I’m 63, 250 lbs and 6 feet tall. Fits me just fine. So glad I bought it.
ECS tuning makes a kit to make the console usable.
63,250lbs? You could stand to lose 63,000lbs or so
Being a '17 R owner, I came here expecting to scrub through the video to get a general idea of your thoughts and I ended up staying for the whole video. Just real review info and then some with no BS. Subbed!
Cru Jones hi, do you have an oil catch can on your 2017 R? How are you addressing carbon build up on a Direct injection engine with a turbo on a performance car?
@@bennyang8049 Hi Benny - depending on the version NA -DI or EU-MP some models come with MultiPort injection. Low RPM engages port injectors which helps keep the valves in better condition. My Au R16 has the port injector rail from factory.
How much was your ‘17 R?
@@gavinwilliams9828 Just bought mine, 2017 with 57K miles for $29,599
@@kfritz3that’s funny. I’m looking at a $29k 2017 R with 57k miles tomorrow lol. I’m in MN and it came from Florida. You still think your price was worth it? I’m kinda scratching my head on spending that much on a car with 60000 miles on it.
I appreciate the lack of "fluff" and the deadpan delivery. No "OH WOWW THE ACCELERATION!", just a little smirk - maybe even a smile. I subscribed because you seem like someone you could kick back and have a beer with while talking cars. And I like that you actually *do* things with cars and get your hands dirty. I appreciate the "real world" nature of your reviews :)
ぴーちゃん ... Can you possibly sound any more homo-phobic?
You should see a psychiatrist about that.
burned to death
You don't need to hide anymore, man, people will accept you for who you are :) good luck!
@ピーチャン lmao!
"You have the rear end on tap when you need it"
"Sounds like your kind of day"
bahahaha
It IS Valentines day..
Savagegeese ...Finally a no fan boy approach to commonsense automotive research. I have been binge watching these videos and really enjoy the full honesty of every contributor. Now once he starts getting his sponsors for his million dollar a month life goal I don't think anyone will be honest again. But in the meantime, i love this monotone mothereffer and his rag tag crew of honest mechanics. Awesome, just Awesome!
My wife has an old golf r32, which shes had for nearly ten years. It still goes well, looks fine and best of all is worth almost what we paid for it. That makes it probably the best car weve ever had. That kind of quality is worth bearing in mind when youre thinking of buying one. They are expensive but its well worth it in the long run, in my opinion.
R32s are so sick, you never seen them around. My uncle has one too, such a blast to drive.
The 6 cylinder is reason you still own it
@@RM-tn4lo you are right. If it was just a mk 5 golf we would have sold it years ago. It's all about the feel and noise of that engine plus there's the added bonus that I can hear her arriving from miles away....gives me time to stop doing whatever it was I was doing.....
I don't love too many VWs, but this unit really polishes my prostate
But does it tickle your rectum though?
Honestly if it weren't for the GTI and R there wouldn't be much compelling reason to buy a VW.
No joke - every other model in their lineup is fucking dogshit. (lifelong VW owner...currently on numbers 11 and 12 in my garage)
@@MozzaBurger88 Its a "Duality-Car" as stated in the video! - So its bound to do Both! 😄 (From a GTI Clubsport owner! Check it on my Channel!)
@@break_it_bill Might wanna check my Clubsport here if ur true VW fanboy!
I heard of you through the straight pipes and I see why they rave about you, frickin awesome job
Agree on the overuse of piano black interior trim. I feel like it's an attempt to look classy, but it's just cheap hard touch plastic that develops hairline scratches and swirls if you breathe on it. On these superbright LED displays, I just want a night mode: everything ultra-dimmable and RED, allowing your eyes to stay adjusted to low light. Driving hours at night is fatiguing enough, but doubly so when you have white, blue, or green gauges.
So much shiny plastic, horrible .
It's weird because 2015-2017 Golf GTIs and Rs had a gloss black trim with a matte hexagon pattern on it. This really helped cover up a lot of smudges and dust since it wasn't as reflective.
It looks like they are using the gloss black plastics from the base Golfs in these models now.
The R has had the gloss black since 2015.
The piano black trim pieces in out Kia Sedona drives me absolutely nuts! Dust magnetic POS.
Yup, personally prefer what they did on my 2015 GTI or even cooler the fish scales on the toyota 86. Still anything is better than GM grey plastic.
The carbon issue is present on all direct injected engines from all manufacturers. The EA888 gen 3 engine used in all current VWs has a vastly improved PCV system to help eliminate the carbon buildup, especially compared to first and second gen EA888 or EA113. The Gen 3 motors have been in production now for 6 years and there are few complaints about carbon buildup becoming an issue like it was on the first DI motors from VW, Lexus, Mercedes and BMW. No car is immune to it, but there's a common belief that driving the car really hard every so often is key to heating up the valves enough to burn off any carbon deposits. It wouldn't stop me from buying the Golf R or any VW or any DI car currently for sale.
The best way to get rid of this carbon build up is choosing and using high quality synthetic oil which has the lowest percentge of NOACK volatility
I'd like to thank you guys for bringing up the issue of carbon buildup in the intake valves causing misfires. It is precisely what was happening with MY car (not a Golf R, but also turbo and direct injection). After multiple failures at the "stealership" doing multiple warranty repair/replacements, I had it fixed by walnut blasting the carbon buildup... issue solved! Thanks a million!
Ive owned a ton of cars...about 40 in 20 years of driving. Past highlights are, 2016 dodge charger scat pack, 2017 mustang gt, 2014 focus st, 2009 cobalt ss/tc sedan, multiple 4th gen camaros, 2013 camaro ss 1le with cam/twin turbos...
my 2018 golf r is by far my favorite. i can jump in it and drive normal to work, then hit some back roads and have fun. This is by far the most fun 0 to 70 car ive ever owned. nailing every shift leaving a light is soo much fun. Its stock for now, but will get a tune. I love the understated look. My charger scat pack was fun, B5 blue and everytime i got gas, people wanted to talk to me. When I had my twin turbo camaro, I had the same situation, between the cammed exhaust and whistle of turbos, people were always curious. Now I can sneak in and out of places and nobody knows the car is special at all.
From the music, to the lift and the driving, these reviews are in another league. And you even showed the rear with the seats folded down - something so few reviewers think to do when reviewing hatchback vehicles. I've never thought much about Patreon, but I'm thinking about it now.
Digital displays are cool. But I highly doubt they'll ever have the reliability of actual gauges. Not to mention displays in cars always look outdated rather quickly. That's why maybach doesnt put screens in its cars. To keep it timeless
I doubt the upcoming Maybach S680 will have analog gauges.
Coming back to read this after more recent Maybachs have come out is simultaneously ironic and sad 😅
@@fakestig1913 lol looked up the new one after seeing your comment 2 hugggggee screens
This was the best review of the Golf R I've seen.
The people who started watching post Turbowski, will never know what a gem of a human being that guy is.
There is a spring on the clutch pedal that assists in bringing the pedal down. Also a restriction valve on the clutch line.
Removal of both makes for a much more enjoyable experience.
"... Also a restriction valve on the clutch line..."
Everyone(OEMs) is guilty of doing that on their manual cars at one point or another. I remember when LS F-Bodies came out people doing the same Mod on the manual cars.
BMW does this too.
This is such a cut above every other car review channel on TH-cam. Get ready to see this go big. Absolutely fantastic job!
I'm on my 7th VW and still no problems. Owning 2 right now MK2 Jetta GLI Vr6(engine swap) and a 2018 MK7.5 GTI. It's really a curse. Not a huge fan boy by far since i love plenty of other cars but you can't really beat the price, standard, technology, drivability, etc. Hence the reason why i keep coming back. I do all the work myself and void the warranty every time within a month of owning LOL. i think they're great cars and have never really experienced a bad VW. Some designs i do question like plastic intake manifold and plastic oil plans but it is what is and blame the advances in technology we all have to accept and just adapt to it even the problems it may bring. BTW, easiest way to remove a plug. Push the plug in, pull the clip back with your thumb and pull it out. It'll come out every time without breaking.
Absolutely the best channel to go to when you really want an absolute in depth review of a car. No need to go anywhere else for more info! Keep it up man.
My favorite line: "... you're not driving some..kind of... "eco-shitbox"
He loves the word shit box
Agreed on the lack of 'soul' - but German cars don't have souls. They have logic. The R is a point-shoot car that's a tool instead of an expression. Regardless, "this" is the best review of the R on TH-cam - thank you for putting it out there and well done!
Agreed!
It's a Volkswagen (people's car). The brand was never about being extravagant but being functional and then, affordable. Which now it is not anymore for a lot of people but I digress. It is still all about function, perfect sleeper car.
@@TheChannel1978 Idk, they're actually perfectly affordable still. The lower base and even mid models always have great lease specials being run and you can get 4 to 6k off sticker on almost every vehicle they produce on finance or cash, sans the Golf R regrettably. But the higher models are value bargains compared to the competition for the most part as long as you can live with fwd(in the R, most obviously awd) and '18 and 19's have wonderful warranties which carry over if you buy them a year or 2 down the line at a steep discount as well. GTI Autobahns are overpriced on sticker, but get one a year and a half old with 14k miles, it still has 5 and a half years of bumper to bumper with almost 60k and it goes in the higher mid-20's, that's pretty great.
I agree but disagree that they don’t have souls. Germany has given us the likes of Schubert and Goethe.
You had me at rectum tickling
chad jaeckel lmfaoooooo
Damn near killed em!
I'm one of those MK7 Golf R owners with a stage 20 tune who's never had any issues with it. It's been on par with the most reliable cars I've owned, and I've owned a DC Integra.
Just bought a 2019 Golf R DSG and I watched your review half a dozen times. "Duality" you summed it up perfectly. It's a REAL performance street car and can do nearly anything a smaller/mid size suv can do for your daily needs. It's really quite fantastic.
This was the first savagegeese video that I ever watched. I now have a 2019 VW Golf R in the driveway 🤪
From the UK. Superb car...I have the dsg gear box..No problems what so ever with this car ..Happy Chappie.
I just bought a 2016 Golf R based on this review. Thanks guys!
Best review on this car period and really, dude might be the best reviewer, period. I wish he did a review on the DSG version of this car so we could have directly compared reviews. Straight Pipes did and that was a really solid review, but they got away from the actual comparison/point of that review and it just turned into a decent review of both cars instead of touching on the in depth stuff of driving each transmission and all the dynamics that changed.
Anywho, great review of a great car.
Quick mention. I have a 2016 R with the DCT. This car has been tuned since month 2 after purchase. Stage 2 ecu stage 3 transmission tune. Really, no issues other than maintainence and typical wear items. I drive it very hard, too. Just do your maintainence, and don't hesitate if you suspect an issue. Precision engineering requires persistent care.
The attention to detail in this review is unbelievable. Well done.
Turbowski: "Nothing...they're bulletproof!" (breaks character). Ahahah that right there is the pinnacle of why I subscribe.
I’ve owned a 08 gti / 12 R / 15 gti and never had issues with any of them besides a pcv valve on the 08 gti .
I know people do have problems but I’ve always raced mine and beat the piss out of them but always do the maintenance and everything just always works .
Tuning is one of the best reasons for this car . 1500.00 has this car punching way above its weight in straight line performance .
Bought the same car after watching this video 4 months ago. Coincidentally same color. Absolutely loving it. Thanks a ton for the video.
Varun-ditto on color and timing-bought my red a month ago-Tom
indian have money to buy this .. omg lol
Laser Beam thanks for bringing the racism to the comment section
Wow... just wow, that's all I have to say about this review. Exceptional videography, thorough analysis of some of the main selling points of this car, no bullsh*t. Great quality review but a super underrated content creator. Thank you @savagegeese
Best review of a Golf R by far!
"Lets say you have this car for 5 or 6 years..." I've had my '03 GTI VR6 for 16 years now! Some VW's really do last, with a minimal amount of problems or issues. Haven't even changed the timing chains yet.
VR6 is a somewhat bullet proof engine, but the electrical stuff tend to be a problem. I'm still searching for a VR6.... Too hard to find
_"Some VW's really do last"_ - True, but the problem is that it's so hit-or-miss, and they tend to have serious issues like high pressure pump failures that hit hard. For those who aren't leasing and truly care about reliability, VW will never be an option.
Maybe you should...
@@georgehugh3455 Not generalizing much, are we? I"ve had a '87 Golf II (bought at 100k km, sold at 160k km), a "96 Golf III TDI (bought at 46k km and gifted my brother-in-law at 160k km when I moved to the US. He then traded it off after having a family of his own). There I had a 2012 Jetta SE which I boguth with 10k miles and traded it in at the dealer with 155k miles.
All of these above mentioned vehicles just received regular maintenance and had repairs due to accidents (not at fault).
I am now 6k miles into a 2019 Jetta GLI DSG and have so far loved every mile.
I am not saying this is typical for VW, but my track record of having zero issues somewhat contradicts your "if you truly care about reliability you can't buy this" statement.
@@dereklohmann6681 _"Generalizing much"?_ Of course! That is how we judge reliability, not by the anecdotal evidence of a couple besot VW owners. _Consumer Reports_ takes GENERAL data across the wide spectrum of VW owners and found the Golf and Jetta to have its WORST rating on the Fuel System Reliability up thru 2013 and, second lowest rating on models since then. If you want some specifics, do a Google search on high pressure fuel pump failures and read a few of the horror stories on how costly and ugly this can get.
*Like most brand/model design reliability problems, YMMV.* Hell, you _could probably_ drive pregnant women to the hospital in a Land Rover without a breakdown, but I'd pack a lot of blankets and sterile water.... I'm glad your purchases worked for you. I was seriously considering purchasing one for my wife but opted out based on the data.
*The VW fuel system failures are fairly well known,* but certainly vary from model to model. The 2011 Recall of over 168,000 '09-12 Jetta/Golf/A3's TDI's for debris developing in the high pressure fuel pumps leading to $8-9,000 repairs mirrors what I said. The Fed'l Transportation Safety Board investigation that was initiated into 241,000 VW's for fuel system problems indicates that not everybody had perfect cars like you. The 2016/7 Recall of five years of Passats and eight years of CC's for fuel pump problems sounds less than "reliable."
Clearly hands down the most thorough review I have watched. Bravo. Well done.
I've owned one of these delightful cars for three trouble-free years now. The thing I love about it - aside from the fantastic performance and handling - is the undertated styling that becomes more attractive the more you look at it. That its' now seven years old and still looks classy and modern is a testament to VW's depth of engineering.
Any chance you’ll give an update 2 years later? Do you still have it? Any issues? I’m looking at a 2016 and a 2018 golf R. I’m have very novice/surface level VW knowledge and don’t know about the longevity, maintenance, or any known issues on these things.
Unfortunately I sold the car. Not because there was anything wrong with it but I don't keep cars beyond two or three years of age. Big regret though. Still waiting on the 20th anniversary MK8R. Meantime I've bought a GR Yaris, which is also fantastic and I probably won't ever sell it. Regarding reliability, not a lot goes wrong with a well maintained MK7. My advice would always be to buy the best car you can afford with the lowest mileage, that has proof of a service history with a VW-Approved mechanic. Definitely wish I'd hung onto mine, that's for certain. Cheers
@@darrenprior6339 Thank you for responding!! Much appreciated!
I have a 2015 Golf R that I bought with 40K miles on it. I now have almost 72K miles on it and the only "failure" was the cable shifter. Other than that it's been great. I run it in "Comfort" mode for everyday and use "Race" occasionally on mountain roads. I'm very pleased with it.
Any mods Gary?
@@Agency323 Nope.
You still have it? If so, how’s it holding up
@@MikeyG003 No, I sold it and bought a new Toyota Camry XSE. Not as fun to drive, but more room and appx. 10mpg more.
@@garyleibitzke4166 niiice I have a 22 SE as well, great car. How many miles were you at when you sold it and any issues?
Probably the best review I've seen on this car. One of the best car reviews in general that I've seen. You really don't overdo it at all. There are a lot of reviewers who freak out about everything. You're really chill, and I literally watched the entire video instead of skipping through, like I'd originally thought I was going to. I subscribed. Great vid. Probably gonna pick up a Golf R at some point haha.
Refreshing to see a car reviewer actually talk mechanicals for a change. Nice work and entertaining video. 👍
a pretty balanced review. I'm at 10K miles on a 2018 R and my observations line up with the Geese's. Also, no mechanical issues at all so far.
How's it going now? I'm looking at a 2019 with 30, 000 km on it.
@@jackdaniels2905 I sold the Golf R with 18,000 miles on it (during those crazy days where dealers were offering you the full MSRP for used cars!) My R had no issues to speak of. All I had was 2 very slightly bent front rims that the dealer said they could easily fix. Otherwise, the car was outstanding until the end! I always warn tho, that VWs can have little issues as they age. Mostly annoyances, but mine was flawless. The paint is a little soft tho, so you may have some chips.
@@johnm5131 good to know.
I lasted 2 years with my 2016 golfr before trading it in, it was the best car I've owned to date but the driving experience was numb and I was so bored with it. Imo its the perfect car to have if you have a project car on the side.
What did you get instead?
Michael Ezebuiro brz ts in white. Saw it in person all dressed up and couldn’t walk away. Such a fun car to drive despite the power difference.
@@FreshlyBaked13 lame
@@malcolmn.5222 You're more than welcome to buy me something else.
@@FreshlyBaked13 I would but im in the process of getting a 2016 Golf R 6 speed
Just straight facts... not trying to be funny or entertaining, just a simplistic, comprehensive review of a car from how it drives, to its exterior/interior, and how it's put together.
I meant to mention this the first time I watch your awesome review. Yes you can adjust the screen brightness guys. I checked and it's in the same location as in the new Jetta's menu. There is a screen brightness setting under the car main settings menu so you can dim it down to a more livable and normal level.
Thanks for letting us know..... I'm considering buying one of these and too bright a screen would be a turn off
Friend just linked me this video, now my favorite car review channel! TH-cam recommendations suck as I’ve never seen it before. Subbed
There is a Golf R plus its called Seat Leon Cupra R. Exactly what you are looking for at the end summary. It looks a lot better, it handles more raw, it has a stiffer ride, its a lot more edgy, and connected, and I'm saying this changing to one from a wrx... (having tested the Golf R before buying the seat)
Amazing video. The level of detail is unmatched to anything I've seen on TH-cam!! Keep up the great work.
Anonymity in the world of constant social media bombardment is a HUGE plus in my books. I own an MK7.5 and I love the anonymity.
Mark's reviews are like breath of fresh air in a room full of flatulating influencers pretending to be car reviewers.
10:04 This three minute technology exposition of driving dynamics where the drivetrain is controlled by an onboard realtime performance data feed helped my anticipate and understand the Hyundai Ioniq N.
Thanks you for listening to viewer feedback! also thank you for featuring a manual transmission, as I find the DSG very played out and overhyped for this model in specific
Played out????
I want a work car that i can go see clients in: one that has genuine performance, yet isn't conspicuously sporty or worse, upmarket. That handles, but wont embarrass me if i drive onto a building site. Has heaps of interior room, yet isnt an SUV! The Golf R was made for me.
30k 4yrs on mine. runs like new. absolutely love it
By far the best review of a VW I have every seen...this is what a review should be!
this is by far the best review of this car ever
That beginning story 1:47 had me in stitches! Please more stories about these dates haha
These stories really tickle my rectum
Thanks for reviewing a manual transmission car
Ha, I was kind of disappointed because of how much quicker the DSG version is. Launch control and all...
Well all automatics are quicker. DSG or not. What's your point?
@Admiral, I mean that was literally my point. Should I have another?
Im with you, DSG is awesome but I love driving a manual over the automatic.
Any of you ever use a DSG gearbox as a daily? cause it really is fun to drive.. I think people get overzealous with the stick makes it better mentality. I drove stick my whole life an been using a DSG last couple of years as a daily. It's just as fun. Also don't get leg fatigue in bad traffic or at lights on a decline. Anyways to each their own I guess.
Love the added voice over @10:26 lol. "Multi plate clutch"
Just put 7500 miles on a 2016 s3. Bought at 64k approaching 72k now. (156 mile commute Monday through Friday)
Got a really good deal obviously.
My opinion so far: the s3 is stock and more enjoyable than both my manual and automatic 335i n54 cars were when fbo running e30 blend jb4g5 pb and alpina b3 tcu flash on the auto.
My only issue with the car is the rear suspension clunking when in comfort mode.
30mpg
Launches harder than my 2019 charger 392 scatpack did.
Brings levels of joy to drive above any other car I’ve ever owned. And it’s stock. I’ve owned a fiberglass light weight wide body rb25 gutted and full race prep. 2 335i, 2 e30s , e36 m3, as far as a few of the “drivers cars” Ive put over 6k miles on.
If this thing doesn’t start breaking every 15k miles it will be my favorite car I’ve ever owned.
Can’t wait to do a few things to it.
10/10 stars so far.
good thing about your reviews is that you talk like a normal person, use every-day vocabulary & don't exaggerate every 5 seconds. it's actually relaxing to watch your videos. good job :)
He made a good point there at the end and I thinks it’s important to state that VW has really never set out to build the most sporty hatchback in the segment. They are always the best all-around experience, good at many things but not great at anything in particular. I think a car like that is something very desirable for someone like me who only has the money and space for one car. I own and Mk6 gti and that’s exactly why I baught it, because it was enjoyable pretty much all of the time and not just when you’re lighting up the tires. My runner up was a Mazdaspeed 3 which was a really fun and engaging car but when I got behind the wheel of the gti I found that it was fun more of the time. That being said, VWs are arguably one of the most tunable cars on the market right now with the 3rd gen EA888 so you can also scratch the tuning itch if you please.
I'm continually impressed by how well shot these videos are. Your unique style aside, the shots are high quality as is your audio. My screen is showing some scenes a little darker than I'd like, but it does contribute to a look and I feel I think you are intentionally cultivating (successfully). Well done and keep up the good work.
Some of the cars I often desaturate a bit and push out shadows. But thanks nice compliments.
I personally would choose the R if could afford it. I like tuning vw/Audis. I prefer unitronic and giac tunes. I also love to go with a nice set of coilovers on vw/Audis. They always look so good like it was meant to be. I have a b5 manual Passat now with a simple tune, downpipe, and h&r springs and it really transformed the car into something really fun for not a lot of money.
Probably the best review of the Golf R I've seen on TH-cam. There's a mod you can do to remove the clutch delay valve in the car and that gives you the connection to the the transmission that the stock setup doesn't.
And please tell us... what is it?
I have seen tens of Golf R videos on TH-cam and this one trumps them all ! Great job !!!
25:23, at that RPM in 4th Gear, He was EASILY going over 140 KM/H, almost 90mph.
We know the tire size, the RPM, transmission ratios, and the gear, so we can do the math.
Edit: Let's do the math! He topped out at 6000RPM in 4th gear. 4th has a 1.09:1 ratio, and then there is the stage 1 final drive of 4.24:1.
So, 6000/1.09 (Engine RPM through 4th gear) = ~5,504.587/4.24 (4th gear output to final drive to wheels) = ~1,298.252 tire revolutions per minute. Ok, so we know the tires are 235/35R19. That's a circumference and distance of 2032mm per revolution. so 2032*~1,298.252 = ~2,638,047.429 mm per minute. Let's convert in to KM. ~2,638,047.429/1000000 (the number of mm in a km) * 60 (number of minutes in an hour) = ~158.283 km/h or just about ~98.353mph. DAYUM son, dats fast!
Edit 2: at 30:14, they show the dash footage of the 4th gear pull to 98, and you can see that the speedo reads the typical 2mph/3km/h faster than true speed that VW has used for at least the last 20 years for their speedos. So looks like my math was correct! That's exciting!
Speedo in my '19 R is spot-on, verified via GPS
@@BrakRulesAll my 17R is spot on with Draggy all the way up to 170mph
@@BrakRulesAll GPS isn't always reliable. VWs definitely read fast, at least in Canada. You can see this if you look at OBDII data, because it will show a lower speed than displayed on the dash.
Also, when your phone is connected to your car, your phone uses the car's GPS which gets it speed from the wheels instead of the GPS, so you don't get contradicting info from your GPS vs the car. ;)
@@Nabeelco lolwut? Phone uses car's GPS when connected to the car? Where did you read that nonsense?
@@BrakRulesAll It's not Nonsense... GPS is line of sight. Simply putting your hand over the antenna will block GPS. When your phone is in the cubby, plugged into the car, it can't get GPS. How did you think it works in there? Magic? 😂
Great review! Subscribed.
2017 mk7 golfr dsg owner here. Always curious to see how reviews line up with my own thoughts on the car. I agree with a lot of his opinions. I bought it as a fast, polished, winter capable car to carry around my kid that my non driving enthusiast wife could drive (and she loves it way more than she expected to). It's so comfortable and capable, with such a polished chassis and stability control system that you're just in awe of what it can do regardless of road conditions. I get out of it and shake my head sometimes at how it seems to bend physics laws. People call a 'mini gtr' and it might just be...But it doesn't draw driving passion out of me like my FBO mazdaspeed 6 which is rawer and slower but more of a hoot to punch around.
Just to add i'm 1.5 years and 36000km in, nothing but oil changes and cabin filters yet. Doesn't burn any oil. Hoping it stays that way.
Looking forward to more content on your channel.
Just went from an A3 hatch to a Golf R a few months ago and I can agree with almost all of your comments. Its the car for the enthusiast that still has to commute and also has kids. Fun and functional with just a little hot sauce on top. The piano trim is completely asinine - i carry a micro-fiber towel and wipe down the display a lot (yes I do .. don't judge me .. lol)
I'm thinking about making the switch to a Golf R from my A3. It will be a daily just like my A3. Since I still have to haul my kids around, how does the space in the back seat compare to the A3? The specs seem very similar, but some advise from a previous A3 driver would be nice. Thanks
The space is comparable .. maybe a little less in the cargo area for the R because of the AWD imposing a bit and I don't think you can put the load floor lower down (like you can in a GTI) - but there is some usable space below the load floor. The USDM R doesn't come with a spare, which is odd given that Euro cars have it .. but I digress. Otherwise, the space is very comparable to the A3 hatch. I've had one nagging rattle from a trim piece behind the rear view mirror but otherwise the car has been exactly what I wanted .. and oddly, I've enjoyed the more upscale interior and features more than the performance, to be honest. I daily commute a couple hours a day but I didn't want to give up the manual or occasional blast along a B road, so there really was no other option for me. The performance is great but about 50hp short of what I'd like .. still though, as a package, its hard to beat (or even come close to for those of us that are going to daily drive it). Good luck.
HA! I carry one in the door pocket too, I wipe the display and the shiny black stuff all the time. But I don't care, I love this car.
I keep a swiffer 360 in the glove box. Works great
@@matthewwakefield9058 HA! Me too!
Best camera work I've seen on a car channel.
Hey little tip with the VW connectors. Push the end in towards the sensor then lift with your finger on the clip until you hear a very minute click. Then just pull it off. I own 3 VAG cars and my 01 gti has 291k miles and almost no broken connectors
Dude I appreciate you. I have never watched a full car review until now. This was great. Thanks! Keep it up.
Just picked one of these up and pretty much agree with everything you said. One note of caution is that the stock clutch on the manual version can handle no more than stock power (and sometimes not even that). A great car to own during warranty.
How’s it been after a few years?
Still enjoying it?
@@darknightbegins85 sold it for a hellcat.
@@TWOhype23 I sold it for a hellcat, then sold that for a raptor, then sold that for an STI, then sold that for a Mustang GT, but I do think back fondly about the R, it's a great little car. Probably all the car anyone needs if we're really being honest with ourselves.
@@Flakey86 golf r vs mustang GT vs golf r. Which did you enjoy the most? I’ve got a challenger 1320
ive been stalking mk7 R's for the better part of 6 months.. i truly feel having the pre-faced lift mk7 is the better choice.. the mechanical gauges look the part for this car.. the smaller infotainment screen works just as well but incorporates a few more buttons on the side for added tactile feel.. the 2017 gets the pretoria wheels which were just made for this car.. aside from equipping tt rs 5 spoke wheels and wrapping it in nardo grey i dont see how this car couldnt be a more perfect daily.. the dsg is equally as good also.. what you sacrifice in driver involvement you completely make up for in raw speed and durability.. keep kicking out these kick ass reviews.. id really like to see you review a cadillac ats-v sedan as that car would seem to be more a driver based vehicle plus i feel it will become a used market bargain after 5-10 years.. but isnt that what gm does anyways lol.. thanks Mark
30:34 It did help Mr. Goose. And I could totally sense your intent to fall for this car, had it added up a bit more of 'soul' as you say it and some rawness, if I may say.
I love your understated reviews as well, and not asking explicitly for subscribing add to your charm. You got me already mate, keep'em coming.
Appreciate the honest discussion on reliability as well as not assuming everybody will like what you do.
Great video. The image of you jerking on the passenger seat is pure gold. LOL. The Golf R is a very nice car. Nice and simple, inside and out. Great utility and great speed/handling when you want to have some fun. I would own one. I own a 2013 BMW 328i xdrive and I love it. BMW gets flak for boring interiors but I love the simplicity and functionality of their designs, as opposed to Audis which look like fighter jets inside. Some people like that, I never did. I'm at 60k right now and I haven't had a single issue with the car but I do take it in for regular service and take good care of it.
Keep the car to 85-90k and enjoy replacing oil pan gasket and the power steering fluid container gasket. Dont' worry though... it'll only cost a few grand at an independent.
+bassandtrebleclef Yep, to hell with owning a car you have to replace something on after enjoying it for years! Better to buy an old Corolla that won't ever need any of that done! And you can enjoy how much of a fun to drive, sporty, nice car it is too...oh...
@@Shintsu2 Why should BMW oil pan gaskets, hoses and rubber materials have significantly shorter life spans than every other car on the road? I know they're made out of elfin tears and unicorn farts, but come on...
You must be joking.
Audi’s are just a premium VW and have long been the leader of interiors that BMW and Mercedes have chased.
Audi interiors have been renowned for their uncluttered simplicity of design.
YES! Six speed manual!
I like the foot-cam shots!
foot fetish?
I don’t.
nice heel toe action
OwO
Best car reviews on TH-cam, hands down.
On this and the GTI (I have a GTI), the pedal and shifter from the factory are extraordinarily soft. For the clutch, replace the clutch bleed valve with one from ESC (the factory one has an impeller in it to purposely make the clutch velvety), put in steal braided clutch line, put a clutch stop in, a short shifter, and steel bushings, and you're clutch and shifter will be far more engaged. Total cost for the parts is about $400. Worth every penny of it.
Golf R owner here. I love this car. I do wish it had a bit more "soul" - I used a tool to turn down the volume of the Soundaktor (the thing that pumps artificial noise into the cabin) so I can hear more turbo/induction noise and now I can actually hear the exchaust. I want more real noise!
That said - regarding the clutch - that was the one thing that drove me nuts. Coming from a Focus ST where the engagement was so much better, it just felt too sterile for me. Yes, it's smooth. What i ended up doing was removing a restrictor in the clutch line that helps smooth out the action. Made the update much quicker, but did add some jerk until I got used to the action. Now it's much better.
Piano Black - now I can draw boobs on it a day after dusting it...
And Scott, yeah, those plastic caps are a bit annoying.
Yep, the clutch bleeder block mod makes a world of difference. Plus a Dieselgeek short shifter. Plus an H&R rear bar. And so on. Yeah, it's a sickness.
Mexifinn literally thinking about which one I should get. An RS or this one. I have a 2018 FoST right now
You make me want one of every car you test drive.
Except for the FR-S. But I bought one anyway. I regret nothing.
Yes, I would pass on that one!
@@byugoi the F250 was awesome. Ill take it. Im looking for a one with a supercab.
He could sell me Shamwows
Nice point on the digital cockpit durability issue. It's strange that North American units come from Germany and yet the engine doesn't come with dual injection.
Could somebody please explain why is that when the dual injection would solve the carbon buildup issue. Just doesn't make sense not to install it. How much more could it cost? Would it be possible to order the components from Europe and install it on US Golf R's and have the dealership code them?
Howdy! I am not a pro but I try to help you, so far here is what I have read and understand. Since direct injection bypasses some steps of port injection, the fuel and additive/detergents are not given enough time to burn thoroughly and therefore result to carbon buildup in long term. Port injection on the other hand injects fuel and detergents somewhere behind the valves and not directly into the cylinder. It's longer proces enables better burning of fuel. Sorry I don't live in the USA so I can't comment on the dealership thing. I have seen some aftermarket tuners doing port injection retrofit on some forums though.
The carbon cake comes from recirculated crankcase oil vapors and EGR gasses that are put back through the intake system. Since no fuel is sprayed down the intake (only directly in cylinder after valves are shut), there is no "washing" of the intake to prevent oil/gas vapors from sticking and burning onto hot surfaces.
The only fix is a catch-can filter to take the oil and hydrocarbons out of the stream that gets recirculated back through the intake. Obviously with turbocharged engines, the cylinder pressures are quite high compared to any n/a engine, so there will be greater piston ring blow-by and therefore more vapors moved out of the crankcase back through the intake.
Sometimes people are just better off with a big displacement V8 and port injection, with tall highway gears that allow the engine to turn slow at speed. All this turbocharged little engine stuff is more complex and more expensive and more prone to failure.
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Bought my 2017 R brand new, thought I couldn't be happier until I installed the APR Stage 1 and Pilot Sport 4S, beast mode activated....for real. You may call it Golf R Plus, with a soul.
How's the resale value on the Golf R? and how reliable are they really?
I like the Golf R. Seriously shopped last year and in the end I bought a GTI mainly because with much of the same stuff it was 16K cheaper. I had 2 kids in college at the time so it was really the right choice. One just graduated so when/if she gets a job I may revisit the choice. I think the plastic trim in the GTI is easier to keep looking clean with its crosshatch pattern and duller finish. As an old guy I would feel a little silly in a Type R or Focus RS. For me the Golf R would be perfect. More go than show. I would love to see a switchable exhaust for a bit more sound but that may be asking a lot these days.
Rod Reichardt oettinger from Germany makes a nice switch on/off exhaust you can order for the golfR . Can be dealer installed/warranty if u want
Just go for the HPA Golf R. th-cam.com/video/DnR6FBRC0F4/w-d-xo.html
The variance in reliability stories can be explained by different driving habits. One of our buddies in the community kept getting massive issues with his car. Later when we observed him driving, he would start a cold motor and then immediately go full throttle, would shift at 4000rpm just daily driving, would keep revs at 5-6 grand for minutes sometimes in daily commutes. This is a niche automobile and a lot of users have different expectations etc. Make sure my oil is up to temp before giving it full throttle. For me, I stay on the safe side and do much early oil changes, much earlier spark plug changes etc. Basically half the service intervals. Even look at the passat owners and the jetta owners, a lot of them are clueless college students who don't know what an oil change is or double their service intervals etc cause they can't afford them and then take it to pep boys and get a 20$ oil change. There is a lot more to it then all VWs are bad.
'16 GTI trouble free, change synthetic every 8,000 kilometres and NO playing around until the oil temperature is around 100
Well said
one of the best most thorough reviews ive seen on this car. Keep up the great work!
This is the best reviewer on you tube and he is right about this car. Great review.
Excellent review and agree with everything stated. As a Mk7 GTI owner myself, the R is the better car, though I went with the GTI given the price differential. I just couldn't justify the almost 15k difference between what I paid for my GTI new and a new R in 2015 when I got it.
Also, can echo the concerns on reliability. I've got 63k on the clock on mine and it's been solid, though this is the time when that starts becoming a concern. I will say, I've had to replace a coil for a misfire already, and while I confirmed it wasn't carbon buildup (luckily don't have much where it's a performance or operating concern even at 63k), it was an issue. Other than that though, I've yet to have had a failure with mine otherwise related to the drivetrain. I'm optimistic but given the niggles and preventative maintenance required compared to say a Honda or Toyota drivetrains, it's definitely not as solid. I'd say it's a 4.5/5 for the average VW product but probably a 3.5/5 compared to the competition as a whole in it's segment for reliability and maintenance costs as a whole.
Do you still have your gti?
@@MikeyG003 yep, still have it. Still going strong.
@@Krauser1226 niceee! How many miles and any issues with it?
Great review. Great humor, candor, details, etc. I just got a ‘18 Golf R with manual transmission, largely for the reasons you laid out. I appreciate the understated approach (respectability) , ability to commute comfortably, and to have as much fun driving as I can reasonably suppose to have. The clutch and shifter could be more engaging, but that ease is an advantage in stop/go traffic. And as a 40-yr old professional, I can take a detour onto farm roads and be astounded at the confidence with which I can approach sharp curves, at a price point that really isn’t bad for the performance, technology, and fun this vehicle brings. Sure, a Focus RS, Civic Type R are more engaging, but I’ve grown well past that look, without wanting to give up all that fun.
Throw out your warranty. Stage 2 tune it and I'm sure it will be more engaging than the Civic type R and RS.
Excellent video, it was great you talked about the common issues and negatives with the car.. good stuff to know. Thank you!
The connectors you need to use a U-hook picking tool, shave off the sharp end to minimize any shaving of the plastic.
I used to have a hard time trying to disconnect them. I can almost do them blindfolded. BEFORE using the picking tool, push them in as they tend to hang up on the locking tab.
Great review!
The video quality of savagegeese has always been crazy good.