there’s one old sega developer satisfied in the knowledge that the small transitionary sprite he implemented for ledge animations is finally being appreciated.
@@skunthundler or maybe because of the limitations of the game they weren't able to make it look super fluid just like the cut animations from 2 where the Sonic sprites look way more fluid in beta
@@skunthundler I think it's just due to a value that the devs entered in the animation code was too short by accident and due to it being so short they did not noticed this frame exist and was changing to quickly, this happened in a lot of other games.
Bro you may be popular and have awesome vids (i watched one) but dont be such a jerk and i know everyone has there own opinion but to OTHERS its satisfying that's why we just gotta' respect that.
You know what, I was just going about my day thinking, "Wow, I sure do know about every single sprite from Sonic's ledge animations in Sonic 2." Then here you come in, blowing my mind as usual. I don't know how I managed to go my whole life without knowing this.
Well, I think I have known about a 5th one that I explained in my own comment. I swear I saw that 5th one more than 10 times throughout the years, & it looked similar to the 1 ledge animation in Sonic 1. Maybe that's me having the Mandela effect, maybe Atgames used a bizarro version, or perhaps it only exists in certain copies of the game. Who the heck knows?
@@Robert-tl2vg Well, you're right on that. I don't think even Cybershell knows of this 5th ledge animation that I have encountered. I might play it again, & if I find that very 5th ledge animation, I'll do a freakin' video showcasing it in action.
I get the impression the sprite was made specifically for when sonic is pushed off with a moving block rather than for general ledges. It feels more fitting in that scenario and if it was programed for that then the regular method would be a side effect.
Yeah finally watching this it seems clear it's meant specifically to transition between the facing away animation and the direction-independent far edge balance animation which is going to happen when getting pushed (because when controlling sonic the walking animation interrupts it).
Cybershell is going to make a video one day on how one tiny, miniscule pixel in Sonic 3 is slightly off color for a fraction of a second during a specific sequence and I would love it.
Like how when you get the red Super Emerald and watch the little animation of it lighting up, it appears dark purple. Then every other time you see it, it's red. Unless another emerald is being lit up, then it's purple again.
Cybershell, you didn't even mention the 5th ledge sprite, the one that plays when you are Super Sonic I can't believe the Sonic lore master forgot about that
I think it's because he's self-aware but not self-deprecating, like he knows this stuff is a really niche interest and makes humour out of that but still goes unapologetically all-in
Sprites are more than just animation it can sometimes show you the characters personality like sonic 1 this is his first ever appearance and since he doesnt talk this is where the sprites come in not only does the sprites show how sonic is currently feeling it also shows his personality like how if you leave him standing for too long he will make "cmon hurry" sprite which is very expressive
I know.. you rarely hear people talk about this, even on public transportation where there's ample time to do so. Now, yes, now and again you will hear the odd person discuss it with someone during a lunch break at work or while using a public urinal, but it's rare enough that I still react to hearing it. That's really sad, but I guess it's a sign of the times we live in.
This is the hard-hitting Sonic content we need. I love how you make such inconsequential things seem captivating and meaningful. Nothing gets past the Cybster.
After discovering edge animation in original sonic the hedgehog back when I was a kid I began to check every single 2d side scroller to see if they included similar animation, as if it's some kind of a gold standard. I'm keep doing this to this very day...
Now that I think about it, I don't think _any_ 2d Mario games have an edge animation (unless you count dropping off the edge to hang by your hands, which i don't because it's a physically different mechanic)
I know what you're here for, and I can confirm: this wasn't fixed for Origins. Frame 1: Panicked sprite Frame 2: Sonic walks left Frame 3: Opposite direction dangling sprite
Dude the sonic 2 animations are so underrated. That's so fucking cute, he's incredibly expressive. Mario basically didn't emote at all until 64? Sonic is rad for how expressive it is as a series.
It reminds me how back then I found those balancing animations as a part of the games' quality, as if it's affecting the imaginary ranks I gave them. Some of my favorite ones were from Rayman 1, Captain Claw (which also included a 'woah' voice sample, extra points) and specifically Omega's animation from Sonic Heroes, which made him say 'danger' in a cute way.
Here’s a fact that makes the sonic 1 2013 edition “unplayable”, for his skidding sprites it uses the CD skidding sprites rather than the original skidding sprites from the original game. I’m shocked and upset from that fact
I think it’s safe to say the best ledge animation is super sonic because he doesn’t even care, he just hangs there like a badass, and they didn’t have to do that yet they did
Hey Cyber, there's a situation just like this in Sonic 3 too! When you swing on Mushroom Hill Zone's sideways-spinning bars, there is, for a split second, a frame where Sonic grabs on to the bar with only one hand.
I found out about the sprite 3 years ago on casino night zone with the moving blue blocks , I had to record it on my phone to see if wasnt tripping out and I wasn't. After watching this video I felt like an absolute god for knowing something that no one will care about but that didn't stop me from feeling like a king.
I've seen this sprite before on the old Sonic 2 Sonic sheet on TSR (the one you cited) and for the longest time I had no idea where it was used. I also never knew there even was a back-facing balancing sprite for the longest time. It's great to see someone going through and shining a spotlight on these odd little details.
I'm not gonna pretend like I knew about this already. This legit blew my mind, I didn't think there was much more obscure than the pigs never being able to appear in Sonic 2 but there we have it.
I’ve only played like 3 total sonic games for about fifteen minutes combined, so this is pretty much the only thing I know about sonic other than that he goes fast. Thank you for this integral knowledge.
You've got something special mate. Seriously. A feckin sprite! I still remember getting Sonic 2 a few weeks after it came out. Was just out of this world. And I was similarly blown away by Sonic 3 and Knuckles. All the amazing work done by people digging through the betas and all has given me so many hours of nostalgic joy. As you have. You really research your topics, you are funny, engaging and interesting and you bring loads of great content and with them a slew of wonderful nostalgia. Keep kicking ass mate 👍
I've played through Sonic 2 a million times and I've never noticed the 'balancing while facing away from a ledge' sprite. Need to hand in my Sonic card.
Something comparable to this is Mega Man's landing animation in the NES games! Yes, it does exist. It is one 1 frame long, and uses one of his running sprites.
Actually theres another feature thats missing from the Christian Whitehead Sonic 2 port, during the chemical plant zone boss as sonic, you should be able to duck and be completely immune to robotnik's chemical spill attack, however, in this version the attack still harms you regardless.
Absolutely right decision on the CW version of Sonic 2. Great video. Odd how obscure and specific a sprite was used on a format that was often very careful about unnecessary memory usage.
oh man this brings back some weird nostalgia, I remember finding that single frame in slomo debug mode! Probably after hours of slowing down the MegaDrive with 10000 rings on screen
I always found this funny, because it was always there in every sprite sheet but you barely ever see it. And then one day I DID see it in-game and it was hilarious to me
![Sonic the Hedgehog 2 LOST BITS | MORE PROTOTYPES ! [TetraBitGaming]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EERWuqUZtC4/mqdefault.jpg)
I guess you could say the mobile remake has a balancing issue
Dude… nice.
Very good 👏👏👏
Yes
thanks I hate this
I hate you
there’s one old sega developer satisfied in the knowledge that the small transitionary sprite he implemented for ledge animations is finally being appreciated.
lol
Lol
LOl
LOL
He’s in the corner of a party like “they don’t know I added one extra frame of animation to Sonic’s ledge animation”
Cybershell is capable of talking about a single pixel in the background of a level for a half hour and I'd be captivated.
i was sad when i realized that the vid wasnt 30 minutes long
Like the out of place pixel on the W in the super Mario world logo
@@loygeesepicotheraccount2958 dear god why did you remind me of that.
@@gamingnubs7628 I can't get it out of my head
@@loygeesepicotheraccount2958 my friend, bleach is the answer to all of lifes problems.
This sprite would be better if it actually lasted more than a frame since it does make the balancing animation look quite fluid
It probably only lasts a frame because it disrupted gameplay flow or something.
@@skunthundler or maybe because of the limitations of the game they weren't able to make it look super fluid just like the cut animations from 2 where the Sonic sprites look way more fluid in beta
@@skunthundler I think it's just due to a value that the devs entered in the animation code was too short by accident and due to it being so short they did not noticed this frame exist and was changing to quickly, this happened in a lot of other games.
based pfp
@Sonic So THAT'S why Sega thinks it's okay to rush games... they just think they'll hit another Sonic 2 eventually
the fact that this sprite wasn't included in the Sonic 2 Bonus Video downgrades it from Cinematic Masterpiece to Unwatchable
The bonus vids are only about CUT CONTENT, this sprite is litterally in the final game.
@@gamingicedragon336 Actually, no. In some sections or at the end there are little trivia sections that go over some obscure things.
Okay, you KNOW it's beyond obscure when even Christian Whitehead missed it.
Waiting for this to get popular
@@Atrael waiting for what?
He also missed the 5th ledge animation in the game. Or at least I SWEAR there was a 5th one that I have encountered.
@@ExtremeWreck wha
@@miwiki6 Yeah. I made a comment on this video describing this 5th ledge animation that I have encountered.
Why the hell this obscure, specific and pointless stuff brings joy and meaning to my life?
*We'll never know.*
no idea
You just gotta enjoy the small, very specific and pointless stuff in life sometimes, you know.
Bro you may be popular and have awesome vids (i watched one) but dont be such a jerk and i know everyone has there own opinion but to OTHERS its satisfying that's why we just gotta' respect that.
just like math in school
You know what, I was just going about my day thinking, "Wow, I sure do know about every single sprite from Sonic's ledge animations in Sonic 2." Then here you come in, blowing my mind as usual. I don't know how I managed to go my whole life without knowing this.
Didn't know sonic ledge animations were that popular
Well, I think I have known about a 5th one that I explained in my own comment. I swear I saw that 5th one more than 10 times throughout the years, & it looked similar to the 1 ledge animation in Sonic 1. Maybe that's me having the Mandela effect, maybe Atgames used a bizarro version, or perhaps it only exists in certain copies of the game. Who the heck knows?
@@ExtremeWreck who the heck knows that you’re going on about.
@@Robert-tl2vg Well, you're right on that. I don't think even Cybershell knows of this 5th ledge animation that I have encountered. I might play it again, & if I find that very 5th ledge animation, I'll do a freakin' video showcasing it in action.
@@ExtremeWreck you should
I get the impression the sprite was made specifically for when sonic is pushed off with a moving block rather than for general ledges. It feels more fitting in that scenario and if it was programed for that then the regular method would be a side effect.
Yeah finally watching this it seems clear it's meant specifically to transition between the facing away animation and the direction-independent far edge balance animation which is going to happen when getting pushed (because when controlling sonic the walking animation interrupts it).
I think so too because Sonic turns to face what's pushing him.
Cybershell is going to make a video one day on how one tiny, miniscule pixel in Sonic 3 is slightly off color for a fraction of a second during a specific sequence and I would love it.
Very true though, several parts of Sonic's sprites are obviously modified from sonic 2's sprites instead
Like how when you get the red Super Emerald and watch the little animation of it lighting up, it appears dark purple. Then every other time you see it, it's red. Unless another emerald is being lit up, then it's purple again.
you could make an entire video on sonic 3s miniscule visual mistakes, like how part of sonics stomach is visible in knuckles running animation
@@davebob4973 Wait, you want me to do it?
@@TreyTheWilliam no but go ahead if you want
Cybershell, you didn't even mention the 5th ledge sprite, the one that plays when you are Super Sonic
I can't believe the Sonic lore master forgot about that
That's the coolest ledge animation ever. You just know Sonic is really in control
Didn't bring up how Tails uses the Sonic 1 teeter systrm either smh
And the secret 6th animation when he is facing backwards (ok maybe that’s only in mania but whatever)
@@iloveadrian715 but that one's unused i think
Honestly, Cybershell gives off a unique vibe with his videos and it makes his videos really rewatch-able and enjoyable. Keep being you, my dude!
I think it's because he's self-aware but not self-deprecating, like he knows this stuff is a really niche interest and makes humour out of that but still goes unapologetically all-in
@@GlassyDusty keep flattering him and he might give you a pat on the head.
@@Robert-tl2vg lol what?
@@4ndr7a82 he’s playing up a bit much.
@@Robert-tl2vg that's the dream
Cybershell:
*Posts*
"Sonic has a 1 frame animation"
*Leaves again for several months*
I wouldn’t have it any other way
classic cybershell
Nice
Isn’t a 1 frame animation just a static image
Posts "Sonic has a 1 frame animation"
Refuses to elaborate further
Leaves for months
Sprites are more than just animation it can sometimes show you the characters personality like sonic 1 this is his first ever appearance and since he doesnt talk this is where the sprites come in not only does the sprites show how sonic is currently feeling it also shows his personality like how if you leave him standing for too long he will make "cmon hurry" sprite which is very expressive
Always wondered why no one talks about this sprite myself, and of course it's Cybershell of all people to finally bring it up.
I know.. you rarely hear people talk about this, even on public transportation where there's ample time to do so. Now, yes, now and again you will hear the odd person discuss it with someone during a lunch break at work or while using a public urinal, but it's rare enough that I still react to hearing it. That's really sad, but I guess it's a sign of the times we live in.
I once read about it in the Evening Standard.
It claimed that this single sprite changed the trading of currency forever.
I told my friends and they agreed that It was underrated
This comment out of context is so funny to me. Imagine saying "nobody is talking about this in-between sprite, what gives?" if it wasn't about Sonic.
This is the hard-hitting Sonic content we need. I love how you make such inconsequential things seem captivating and meaningful. Nothing gets past the Cybster.
After discovering edge animation in original sonic the hedgehog back when I was a kid I began to check every single 2d side scroller to see if they included similar animation, as if it's some kind of a gold standard.
I'm keep doing this to this very day...
It's the little things that count
SMASH BROS HAS IT
@@someobscuremusicchannel it don’t got backwards or really close animations now do it
@@someobscuremusicchannel I wish sonic in smash bro had that tho
Now that I think about it, I don't think _any_ 2d Mario games have an edge animation (unless you count dropping off the edge to hang by your hands, which i don't because it's a physically different mechanic)
"iconic impatient foot tap" sounds like something Zach Hadel would say.
I don’t need sleep, I need the most obscure sonic 2 sprite.
big bang basinga theory
Same
I know what you're here for, and I can confirm: this wasn't fixed for Origins.
Frame 1: Panicked sprite
Frame 2: Sonic walks left
Frame 3: Opposite direction dangling sprite
We need to raise awareness of this sprite so it'll be added to Origins
Good luck with that
the sea developer who made that is still alive so
Yes
Exactly
Dude the sonic 2 animations are so underrated. That's so fucking cute, he's incredibly expressive. Mario basically didn't emote at all until 64? Sonic is rad for how expressive it is as a series.
Everyone's talking about the most obscure Sonic sprite, and I'm wondering what Silver's name would be if we dyed his fur.
Red. Lol
That'd be like asking if we removed one of Tails' tails, would his name change to Tail?
Identity Crisis The Hedgehog
@@TheDamino Crisis the Hedgehog isn't a bad name for him, actually.
@@flowlight991 I mean, it's just a nickname, so it's actually reasonable for that to happen.
It reminds me how back then I found those balancing animations as a part of the games' quality, as if it's affecting the imaginary ranks I gave them. Some of my favorite ones were from Rayman 1, Captain Claw (which also included a 'woah' voice sample, extra points) and specifically Omega's animation from Sonic Heroes, which made him say 'danger' in a cute way.
Here’s a fact that makes the sonic 1 2013 edition “unplayable”, for his skidding sprites it uses the CD skidding sprites rather than the original skidding sprites from the original game. I’m shocked and upset from that fact
That makes me very upset :(
It’s *not* unplayable.
@Gamer Luna
wym of course it is...
i'll never touch the sonic 1 2013 remake now that i know that it uses CD SKIDDING ANIMATIONS
horrifying! what shoddy craftsmanship...
@@ruler_of_everything *STOP POSTING ABOUT SONIC 1 2013 BEING UNPLAYABLE I'M TIRED OF SEEING IT*
I think it’s safe to say the best ledge animation is super sonic because he doesn’t even care, he just hangs there like a badass, and they didn’t have to do that yet they did
wow Cybershill, really running out of ideas aren't we, just admit you aren't a REAL Sonic fan like the rest of us
Sonic heroes sucks
interesting. interesting. shouldn't you be playing fortnight right now?
Sonic Heroes enjoyer
Shut up LsMark! Why can’t you be educated and well mannered like Splash Dash?
Aren’t you supposed to be watching family guy
Hey Cyber, there's a situation just like this in Sonic 3 too!
When you swing on Mushroom Hill Zone's sideways-spinning bars, there is, for a split second, a frame where Sonic grabs on to the bar with only one hand.
@chilliorganism i just checked. it's true!! why is nobody talking about this? why is the truth being suppressed
im more interested in what cybershell has to say about sonic pixels, then current world war/drama/politics and new forming laws
@Muad'Dib what if i'm not american
@Muad'Dib Trump is the true king. Xant Biden is an usurper.
@Muad'Dib cringe
4:08
how mfs really be reacting every time any studio releases a Remastering of a game
I've been playing this mcfreaking game for over 20 years and there will always be something new to learn about it
why did you say freaking as if it was a McDonald's menu item
I found out about the sprite 3 years ago on casino night zone with the moving blue blocks , I had to record it on my phone to see if wasnt tripping out and I wasn't. After watching this video I felt like an absolute god for knowing something that no one will care about but that didn't stop me from feeling like a king.
I just want to say that your Chao video has brought me to 100% SA2. Probably my favourite video on this whole channel!
it made me buy the game
This will have a unbelieveable impact on minimum button presses runs, and what version is 'optimal' for it.
He’s still kicking
Unfortunately
Did you really think he was gonna leave again.
@@SomeBlackGuyWithABigD ok some white guy
If we talking cybershell, He's making loads of content rn on his shitpost channel and his streams
@@SomeBlackGuyWithABigD a hater discovered
I've seen this sprite before on the old Sonic 2 Sonic sheet on TSR (the one you cited) and for the longest time I had no idea where it was used. I also never knew there even was a back-facing balancing sprite for the longest time. It's great to see someone going through and shining a spotlight on these odd little details.
Telling my future children about this sprite on my death bed
"Children.... listen to me...... there's a ledge animation in Sonic 2....."
"Dear God...!"
"....There's more."
"NO."
It's really unique how they made multiple animations for ledges-- it shows the amount of effort they put into it. Awesome touch everywhere.
its like the sprite literally faded out of existence
Now that is *actually* too fast for the naked eye
Finally after all the waiting we get a cybershell video even if its 5 minutes its 5 minutes of glory
Yep
I'm not gonna pretend like I knew about this already. This legit blew my mind, I didn't think there was much more obscure than the pigs never being able to appear in Sonic 2 but there we have it.
My prayers to the Master Emerald were answered. He posted another video before the year was over. 🙏🙏🙏
I’m a sucker for tiny details, especially in character animation. Thanks for scratching that itch
It’s amazing to know how much of Sonic 2 is out there. Like the weird casino night monitor, and the leftover level data.
I love how your channel is basically just little fun facts about sonic, I like that a lot.
I’ve only played like 3 total sonic games for about fifteen minutes combined, so this is pretty much the only thing I know about sonic other than that he goes fast. Thank you for this integral knowledge.
I’m now a big fan of Sonic games and I still believe this is integral knowledge. Thank you for bestowing this upon us
This frame isn’t in the Sonic 2 remake? LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE!
I feel smarter every day. Thank you Cybershell!
There’s another 1 frame sprite triggered when moving again after sonic lies down in his idle animation
Holy crap, so there's another person that has seen the 5th ledge animation!?
This is the most “Cybershell” video I have ever seen.
This is the most “empty” TH-cam comment I have ever seen.
@@Robert-tl2vg rude
@@Robert-tl2vg 😕
Been chewing on it for 5... Months...
1:24 that ring fell *P E R F E C T L Y*
3:30
Funnily enough, the sprite IS listed on the page for the 2013 mobile port.
Okay, the sprite is NOW listed on the page for the genesis port.
This blows my mind, I didn’t even know this, thanks for diving deep into this unknown frame of animation Cybershell.
It sounds like Cybershell is giving a tutorial on how to preform a super specific glitch in the game, but this is far better
Always excited for one of these
You've got something special mate. Seriously. A feckin sprite! I still remember getting Sonic 2 a few weeks after it came out. Was just out of this world. And I was similarly blown away by Sonic 3 and Knuckles. All the amazing work done by people digging through the betas and all has given me so many hours of nostalgic joy.
As you have. You really research your topics, you are funny, engaging and interesting and you bring loads of great content and with them a slew of wonderful nostalgia. Keep kicking ass mate 👍
It’s always a good day when Cybershell posts a new video
The description is extremely accurate
An obscure video about an obscure Sonic sprite is indeed obscure.
i wouldn't say this video is exactly obscure
My recent desicion was that instead of studying for exams imma watch this video, are u disappointed
@@creeperYT9824 what
I don't think I ever knew about this! Cybershell truly is the Sonic lore master.
More platformers need ledge animations.
back on the waiting game
Always excited for your videos man, happy to hear from you!
The world absolutely will not be the same without you. Good shit as usual, Cybershell
Wait three months for a five minute video about a sprite that only lasts for 1 frame
This is why I'm subscribed
I've played through Sonic 2 a million times and I've never noticed the 'balancing while facing away from a ledge' sprite. Need to hand in my Sonic card.
mmm sonic 2 content. Yummy
It takes a very special kind of youtuber to get me interested in the most niche and obscure subject matter. And cybershell is one of them.
I am legally required to stop what I’m doing for the next 5 minutes
same here
It’s tabby
Something comparable to this is Mega Man's landing animation in the NES games!
Yes, it does exist. It is one 1 frame long, and uses one of his running sprites.
Sonic is supposed to be in the Macy’s thanksgiving parade for 2021. I wonder what chaotic, dastardly plan he is cooking up right now? 🤔
Before seeing the thumbnail, I thought it was going to be the beta animation of Sonic being knocked back when he runs into a wall.
Welp he forgot his password again
He rember!!!
Actually theres another feature thats missing from the Christian Whitehead Sonic 2 port, during the chemical plant zone boss as sonic, you should be able to duck and be completely immune to robotnik's chemical spill attack, however, in this version the attack still harms you regardless.
God damn it, it happened again
Ok so I see a pattern here, every 3 months we get a new Cybershell video
4:18 LMAO THIS SHIT ALWAYS GETS ME
Absolutely right decision on the CW version of Sonic 2.
Great video. Odd how obscure and specific a sprite was used on a format that was often very careful about unnecessary memory usage.
Dose this mean the mobile sonic is a different sonic?
DOSE THIS MEAN THE MOBILE GAMES ARE A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE ENTIRELY?
In the concepts for sonic 2 sonic was ment to have a turning animation but was skraped.
No way he bailed on us again
Its been five months do you know what it was like to wait 4 years?
@@Stwartistis I started watching right around his disappearance so I know. But I don't want again.
Come back, King. The world needs you.
2:20 this got me dying for no reason and my hole family saw me falling of the chair
'From definitive to UNPLAYABLE' literally lol'd at that
This man can make paint drying interesting
oh man this brings back some weird nostalgia, I remember finding that single frame in slomo debug mode!
Probably after hours of slowing down the MegaDrive with 10000 rings on screen
so fun story I tried to get it perfect so I paused it to slow it down, and I paused on that frame
It's at 2:03 btw
It's a bit hard to get but if you slow it down you can see it for a second
I like the videos where you talk about stuff that is only tangentially related to the topic.
I was just thinking “it’s been a minute since Cybershell uploaded” and here we are!
A *minute?*
I always found this funny, because it was always there in every sprite sheet but you barely ever see it. And then one day I DID see it in-game and it was hilarious to me
2:19 this is what you clicked for
I mean, nobody ever balances in a Sonic game, so its already obscure.
Need more cybershell content
Fun Fact: This sprite exists since the Aug 21, 1992 prototype.
The other 2 previous prototypes had the original Sonic 1 balancing sprites.
4:37 lost in the sans of time
SANS
In the remaster you can spindash during the panicked animation
Oh neat, I made a video on this a while back. Cool to see other people making it’s presence known as well.
now I can't play sonic 2 without constantly thinking about this, THANKS MAN