Storytime: For a relative's Wedding, I drove my mom's Mustang from Milwaukee, Wi to Denver, Co. That car was used to mom's driving -- at 'grandma speeds' -- she never went on the highway, _ever_ . So, I'm driving on interstates, and that Ford Mustang just Would.Not.Go! I was flooring it and it just would NOT get up to 70mph! I felt as if I needed to get out and push! Well, after about 200 miles or so of sluggish performance, the car was finally able to run properly at Interstate Speeds! Her car was not even close to new; but she had been driving at exclusively 30-ish mph. A couple of weeks after we got back from the trip, mom told me that her car "never ran this good"! Her car, like your bike, had automatic transmission. Don't 'baby' your bike -- but follow any break-in periods the mfr. recommends. After that -- KICK it! My Understanding: There are tiny carbon deposits that build up over time at the top of the compression stroke. When you want to go faster, the piston stroke stretches _very slightly_ . It then takes time at higher speeds or RPMs to wear these deposits away; or if a new engine, it just needs time at higher RPMs to break itself in. I hope this helps. Comments from others welcome.
There's a reason even race vehicles run faster at some tracks than others, mostly based on environmental factors. Air temps, humidity, barometric pressure differences etc...even when vehicle set up is identical to the "faster" locations. When I saw the title, I was expecting a blown part to happen. (glad it didn't)
@@slowridersmotovlog201 Good Good! Ok then, did you do the test run at the same place? Could have been slight diffs in slope, headwind or tailwind? Recommend doing speed and fuel burn tests in an out and back road to avg out any differences.
Dan, I think you first tested in the spring when the air temperature was considerably lower. Cooler denser air will produce more power than hotter thinner air because the oxygen component is increased in cooler air. This is the whole reason for putting efficient intercoolers on turbo charged engines. The cooler they can make the intake air, the more power they produce. You were probably in hotter thinner air this time around. Even putting an intercooler on your naturally aspirated engine will pick up maybe 3hp and that will likely give you back around 3-5mph. When you get a cool crisp day this coming autumn, try this again and you will likely do around 95mph. Gord
Nice video. Just picked up my XMax from the dealer. Beginning the dark long stage. What setup are you using at the mirrors for your phone, etc? Thanks, Phil
Congratulations on the new Xmax. Here the link to the phone mount I use. Homeet Motorcycle Phone Mount, Metal Motorcycle Phone Holder Motorbike Rearview Mirror Smartphone Holder Mount Universal 【Φ10mm】- 360° Rotation Adjustable - Aluminum Alloy a.co/d/70IvCpD
@@slowridersmotovlog201That's all I could ever get out of my adv 150. It would hit 62,63,64 mph and then the engine would start cutting out in an annoying jerking manner. I don't understand why it would be like that, it seemed to have plenty more power on tap. My local yamaha dealer brought in three xmaxs this spring. I traded the honda in for an xmax. Definitely a more competent bike. The Dunlops are pretty good on most roads but they could be better. Going to put some pirelli angel scooter tires on it next spring. It's November in Wisconsin, I have plenty of time to change the tires.
The 2018 125cc xmax can top these speeds, but they have put a lower powered engine in the euro 5 125 and now only tops 65mph, they have probably restricted the 300cc in someway also
u need too change your roller to dr pulley sliding roller or round roller also will be good.. depends on your weight too... if u want fast get a light roller example 16grams x 6 and your the front pulley and rear clutch pulley to after market. try to change the clutch shoe to after market brand Daytona carbon clutch u can feel slightly improve of the speed. if u want fast pickup change to light roller and if u want top end speed get the heavier roller. i think stock roller size is 17grams each. then your torque spring ( rear middle spring) change to 1000rpm or 1200rpm... the clutch spring (small) 5pcs also need too be the same size as the main torque spring 1000rpm or 1200rpm both must equal same size
Changing out the rollers and other modifications don't really do much. Yamaha has spent tens of thousands of dollars to get the most out of their engines, some dudes in Taiwan aren't going to invent something in their garage that will be a huge breakthrough in performance . Scooterswapshop did a dyno test on consecutive supposed modifications on their adv 150 and found no improvement. In fact, after all they did, they were getting less horsepower out of the bike and they couldn't find a way to bypass the speed/rev limiter.
I just bought a new 2023 xmax 300. I got it for around town. How are scooters for any kind of trip? Can I cruise on the highway for long distance at 75 mph?
I no longer drive my Yamaha after having driven my Burgman, Burgman is the king of scooters oh my God how its comfortable first time i was confused i was thinking something happened with the suspension was very soft before riding it lol😂on the other hand the design of Yamaha is more sophisticated because Burgman has not changed its design since its release ah I almost forgot to mention in burgman i feel more safer specially on the highway because of low position it’s way more stable
That’s the one thing with the Yamaha’s, the suspension isn’t the best and too hard, my NMAX is the same. I’ve seen a lot of comments and videos where the owners have changed out the suspension when purchasing a new NMAX or XMAX.
I dont think having the tcs on has anything to do with top speed. Thats just a failsafe in case the tires start skidding. I would try another test at 60 degrees and check tire pressure before you go on the road always. Also maybe the first test you were catching a draft from other vehicles like they do in nascar to preserve gas and slingshot around other cars. The pavement temperature affects nascar speeds. I guarentee the road you were on was hot that day to possibly keep it from achieving 90. Just some food 🌭🍕🍔 for thought scooterman dan.
You've also got to consider this is a 300cc scooter pushing 400 pounds of weight. My Suzuki DR650 weighs 34 pounds less than that wet... Not sure where Yamaha is putting all the weight on these scooters, plastic can't weigh that much.
I wouldn't get to hung up on it. I just hit 300 miles today on mine. So obviously I'm still in the break in period and I won't even try to open it up that high until my first oil change and 1000 miles deep. I will say, she gets up to 60 very quickly, (almost by accident sometimes 😂). Very very impressed with the navigation and Bluetooth capability as well.
How a 300cc ANYTHING gets to 85mph is a triumph in itself. Quite good speed for a 300cc engine.
Storytime: For a relative's Wedding, I drove my mom's Mustang from Milwaukee, Wi to Denver, Co. That car was used to mom's driving -- at 'grandma speeds' -- she never went on the highway, _ever_ . So, I'm driving on interstates, and that Ford Mustang just Would.Not.Go! I was flooring it and it just would NOT get up to 70mph! I felt as if I needed to get out and push! Well, after about 200 miles or so of sluggish performance, the car was finally able to run properly at Interstate Speeds! Her car was not even close to new; but she had been driving at exclusively 30-ish mph. A couple of weeks after we got back from the trip, mom told me that her car "never ran this good"! Her car, like your bike, had automatic transmission. Don't 'baby' your bike -- but follow any break-in periods the mfr. recommends. After that -- KICK it!
My Understanding: There are tiny carbon deposits that build up over time at the top of the compression stroke. When you want to go faster, the piston stroke stretches _very slightly_ . It then takes time at higher speeds or RPMs to wear these deposits away; or if a new engine, it just needs time at higher RPMs to break itself in.
I hope this helps. Comments from others welcome.
I’m buying what selling. Even now after 6 or so months from shooting that video it’s much faster and running much better.
There's a reason even race vehicles run faster at some tracks than others, mostly based on environmental factors. Air temps, humidity, barometric pressure differences etc...even when vehicle set up is identical to the "faster" locations.
When I saw the title, I was expecting a blown part to happen. (glad it didn't)
Definitely all those factors come into play.
Two items: 1. How did you check speed on the first run?
2. Did you check tire pressure before this run?
I used the speed app on both runs. I’ve tested the app lots of times and it’s true to the tachometer on the bike. I didn’t test pressure good point.
@@slowridersmotovlog201 Good Good! Ok then, did you do the test run at the same place? Could have been slight diffs in slope, headwind or tailwind? Recommend doing speed and fuel burn tests in an out and back road to avg out any differences.
Dan,
I think you first tested in the spring when the air temperature was considerably lower.
Cooler denser air will produce more power than hotter thinner air because the oxygen component is increased in cooler air.
This is the whole reason for putting efficient intercoolers on turbo charged engines. The cooler they can make the intake air, the more power they produce.
You were probably in hotter thinner air this time around. Even putting an intercooler on your naturally aspirated engine will pick up maybe 3hp and that will likely give you back around 3-5mph.
When you get a cool crisp day this coming autumn, try this again and you will likely do around 95mph.
Gord
I was thinking the same thing. I definitely think you it the mail on the head.
@@slowridersmotovlog201 You'll know for sure when you try it again in cooler weather.
Gord
Nice video. Just picked up my XMax from the dealer. Beginning the dark long stage. What setup are you using at the mirrors for your phone, etc? Thanks, Phil
Congratulations on the new Xmax. Here the link to the phone mount I use.
Homeet Motorcycle Phone Mount, Metal Motorcycle Phone Holder Motorbike Rearview Mirror Smartphone Holder Mount Universal 【Φ10mm】- 360° Rotation Adjustable - Aluminum Alloy a.co/d/70IvCpD
Hey there, what was the otd price?
Do you get a lot of wind buffeting? When I owed my T-max it was a constant struggle.
I did very much
It's a urban commuter ! To small you need something bigger Honda Gold Wing , Harley bagger , .
The wind could have been the factor. I have noticed it on my bike. Also, what's one fifty, Honda? Top speed is 68. I have gotten 75 out of it.
Honda ADV150 I had I could only get 64 out of mine when I had it.
@@slowridersmotovlog201That's all I could ever get out of my adv 150. It would hit 62,63,64 mph and then the engine would start cutting out in an annoying jerking manner. I don't understand why it would be like that, it seemed to have plenty more power on tap. My local yamaha dealer brought in three xmaxs this spring. I traded the honda in for an xmax. Definitely a more competent bike. The Dunlops are pretty good on most roads but they could be better. Going to put some pirelli angel scooter tires on it next spring. It's November in Wisconsin, I have plenty of time to change the tires.
The 2018 125cc xmax can top these speeds, but they have put a lower powered engine in the euro 5 125 and now only tops 65mph, they have probably restricted the 300cc in someway also
I thought this was the slowriders channel! 😋
Even slowriders like a little speed sometimes.
Is this bike pretty comfortable? Thinking about trading for a 2022 XMax.
The bike is super comfortable. I don’t have the best back in the the world and I’m never uncomfortable riding it . Go for it!!
u need too change your roller to dr pulley sliding roller or round roller also will be good.. depends on your weight too... if u want fast get a light roller example 16grams x 6 and your the front pulley and rear clutch pulley to after market. try to change the clutch shoe to after market brand Daytona carbon clutch u can feel slightly improve of the speed. if u want fast pickup change to light roller and if u want top end speed get the heavier roller. i think stock roller size is 17grams each. then your torque spring ( rear middle spring) change to 1000rpm or 1200rpm... the clutch spring (small) 5pcs also need too be the same size as the main torque spring 1000rpm or 1200rpm both must equal same size
Thanks for the great insight. I will take all this under consideration.
Changing out the rollers and other modifications don't really do much. Yamaha has spent tens of thousands of dollars to get the most out of their engines, some dudes in Taiwan aren't going to invent something in their garage that will be a huge breakthrough in performance . Scooterswapshop did a dyno test on consecutive supposed modifications on their adv 150 and found no improvement. In fact, after all they did, they were getting less horsepower out of the bike and they couldn't find a way to bypass the speed/rev limiter.
am a bit confused Is this a 300cc or 150cc? since mine goes up to 150+ full throttle
292cc to be exact
Temperature and wind conditions
That’s what I’m thinking.
@@slowridersmotovlog201 I just put in a preorder for a XMAX today 👍, around 10 weeks to get it
Scooter + cvt = what could possibly go wrong?
I just bought a new 2023 xmax 300. I got it for around town. How are scooters for any kind of trip? Can I cruise on the highway for long distance at 75 mph?
Yes you can no problem
@slowridersmotovlog201 I asked the dealer and the parts dept guy said dont go over 4k on the tack.
@geoffnavolt1970 that's impossible lol
I no longer drive my Yamaha after having driven my Burgman, Burgman is the king of scooters oh my God how its comfortable first time i was confused i was thinking something happened with the suspension was very soft before riding it lol😂on the other hand the design of Yamaha is more sophisticated because Burgman has not changed its design since its release ah I almost forgot to mention in burgman i feel more safer specially on the highway because of low position it’s way more stable
I was very close to buying the burgman 400 but the price was a little high. It is a very nice ride.
That’s the one thing with the Yamaha’s, the suspension isn’t the best and too hard, my NMAX is the same. I’ve seen a lot of comments and videos where the owners have changed out the suspension when purchasing a new NMAX or XMAX.
I dont think having the tcs on has anything to do with top speed. Thats just a failsafe in case the tires start skidding. I would try another test at 60 degrees and check tire pressure before you go on the road always. Also maybe the first test you were catching a draft from other vehicles like they do in nascar to preserve gas and slingshot around other cars. The pavement temperature affects nascar speeds. I guarentee the road you were on was hot that day to possibly keep it from achieving 90. Just some food 🌭🍕🍔 for thought scooterman dan.
Thanks for your insight it’s always appreciated. There’s lots of different factors why I couldn’t hit 90. Still a speedy scoot.
Agreed. If it went 90 once it can do it again. 85 is fast enough for any highway if you need the speed.
You've also got to consider this is a 300cc scooter pushing 400 pounds of weight. My Suzuki DR650 weighs 34 pounds less than that wet... Not sure where Yamaha is putting all the weight on these scooters, plastic can't weigh that much.
Well said I’m sure why there making them so heavy.
Try shutting off your traction control
I will
Enjoy it for what it is, The xmax is a nice looking scooter, Not a motorcycle.
Trust me I do..
I wouldn't get to hung up on it. I just hit 300 miles today on mine. So obviously I'm still in the break in period and I won't even try to open it up that high until my first oil change and 1000 miles deep. I will say, she gets up to 60 very quickly, (almost by accident sometimes 😂). Very very impressed with the navigation and Bluetooth capability as well.
@@sharpshot716 your oil change light will come at 600 miles
I still think 90 mph is pretty damn good. I’ve got an XMax 2023.
Cheers NZ.
And what it is, is a vehicle with two wheels and a motor that you sit on and twist a throttle to go.
Go down hill.