Madonna on Her Rivalry with Michael Jackson! Candidly In Her Own Words | the detail.
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- Michael Jackson & Madonna will always be linked due to their stature as pop superstars of the 1980s. The rivals sort to bond together with a musical collaboration for Michael's 'Dangerous' album. However, after a date at the Academy Awards, the two fell out in the press and the single never materialised.
This is the music icons relationship according to Madonna's own account, with some less than flattening insights from Michael.
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I have not always liked Madonna but I really appreciated her publicly supporting Michael. She was one of the few. After Michael passed she did a great tribute to him!
Jesus loves you
Besides his own family she was the ONLY one I remember supporting him after these latest allegations.
Madonna was hard
Yes though one may not like someone but still not talk ill of him in public. That is being more dignified.
I agree,she did spoke up for him.I loved her tribute to him after he left us.
And she’s still supporting him today with her celebrations world tour with a phenomenal MJ tribute ❤
yes, that's true! She really loved him as a friend, as an artist and as a human being ♥
@@lauralg1860love ur pfp
Yes and it was so beautiful! I got chillls seeing my king and queen of pop together!! ❤
its too late now she should have supported him when he was alive
What gives Madonna genuine gritt, He dissed her once in a recorded conversation, really just told the truth how he felt, and how she made him feel, and still she stands with him, because she knows and she’s real.
Given how she routinely dissed all manner of other people, for no good reason, I should hope so.
I don't think that Michael was any better tbh, he did say nasty stuff about other artists as well. So...
MJ fans don’t give her enough credit. Even though they probably didn’t get along, she always had his back. Many celebrities turned their backs on him when the trials happened but she never did
Cause of let them are jealous of her so they completely disregard that in this day and age he defended him even in the past. But theyre soo focused on when she did silly things years ago lmao
It’s because of the media stories really. They tried to make every association of MJ and Madonna seem sour or scandalous.. which is a shame. Madonna too is a one of a kind.
Delusional fool.
@@sunipye7051 no one is taking away she defended him but calm down using that jealous word what do Michael Jackson fans have to be jealous of Madonna when Michael is the Bigger name 💀
@@Yumiiyumi- Alot of the girls are jealous of her not because of her talent but because she was around him and they got together lmao. I know MJ is better 🤣
8:04 - 8:06 She said “Shut up”. I said “You shut up” Imagine hearing the King & Queen of Pop saying that to each other 😂😂😂❣️❣️❣️
Well they aren't Gods.
They were really like siblings. Love/hate relationship
@@CorCor89 She was also trying to get him to come out which is her MO, really. He should've known hanging out with her would make the real MJ come out, but yet he was afraid of letting it be known that he was GAY. He was projecting and she was aware of his projecting. I think they could've got along if she were not try and change his style of dressing and if he were more authentic and honest about who he really was and not so reluctant to share that, but instead he chose to still be in the closet while molesting young boys. He was also afraid the song they would collaborate on would open him up and be real about his gayness. He was a repressed gay man who took out his frustrations on little boys. sad AF.
@@zippydodahquirk9039 *gods
🤣🤣🤣 Madonna is a gangsta..
I think they’re both just so unique, strong willed, used to being the one in charge, and that’s why they didn’t click as a romantic couple, neither one willing to relent
I love Madonna. I grew up on her music. The Immaculate Collection was the soundtrack of my childhood. She may have her flaws but she's always stood by MJ and supported him, despite their differences. I respect her for always keeping it real.
Jesus loves you
We all have our flaws and quirks. Love that early Madonna material, can't say I like the past couple of albums that much. Take good care of yourself, Belinda.
@@VTPr0 thank you! He loves you too ☺️
@@hypolyxa7207 I too love her early material compared to what she puts out nowadays. But I'll always love her because bitch she's Madonna 🤣
Take care of yourself as well! ☺️
@@lucky-belindaniko9732 listen to the song Messiah by Madonna. I think it's one of the most beautiful songs she's ever written. It's so good I think you'll love it too.
Madonna is the last of the legends.She really stood up for Michael. And he never knew in his life she was his ally.
She critisized the Bashir documentary in 2003 when he was alive. So I don't understand why he dissed her in those tapes.
@@JJ-lr9sv Lol.. If you say so. I'm not gonna argue about Madonna, you obviously hate her so I won't waste my time.
Btw, he loved Princess Di and Liz Taylor way more than Ross.. There's dodgy stories about her exploiting Mike that I hope aren't true. She also fell out with him several times and called him "a freak", something his true best friend would never say. Elizabeth always stood by him. ✌️
he thought she was a witch but she was the contrary, she tried to help him but he had prejudiced her
I’m not a huge fan of her but she’s very perceptive. She could see right through him. Pain, repression, and all.
He was equally perceptive, he saw her the real Madonna
@@edmundsishange3608 exactly the industry was trying to use her as a gatekeeper to get to Michael so they could have a hold over him
@@angeluvsvid totally agree
@@edmundsishange3608 absolutelly
MADONNA! She's got the most beautiful EYES and her music will always live my favorite songs are just about all of them!
MJ is an example of how being simple and nice is a tragedy in this world
😓👊🏻
Truly
Lol sad smh
Simple?
Simple? 🤣😂 He had a monkey as a pet, a funfair in his back garden, a golden throne, wore long straight black wigs and had tattooed eyeliner.
I'm so glad that I got to experience both Micheal and Madonna at their highest peak. If you wanted to dance, you knew they would both get you out of your seat. If you wanted to cry and feel deeply, you knew that both would make that song to bring you to that place. There are so many artist out there that want the fame that MJ and Madonna have and still have, but unfortunately, they didn't have the artistic talent to write their own hits like MJ and Madonna have. MJ and Madonna run their show while artist today have others run it for them.
I agree.
Facts
michaels a million times more talented and successful
@@AC-mp7cx And dead too.
@@AC-mp7cx wrong, Michael, Madonna, Beetles, Pink Floyd, Elvis, etc. - those people are all in a higher place vs nearly all other artists. You can like one more than the other - but you are entirely unoriginal and lacking for propping up one by crapping on another. Michal would not approve, BTW.
Whatever went on or didn't go on during their lifetimes together, Madonna has redeemed herself in my eyes at the O2, October 2023 - with the latest Billie Jean tribute to Michael. She has done more than she could ever know to help heal the damage done to him - having a reunion with him on the stage where he was due to perform 14 years ago. Bravo! Love Lives Forever 💖💖💖
Yea and what was cool about that tribute is the fact she didnt make the spotlight into herself when the song changed to Like a Virgin, but instead made it look like they are just dancing there as equals.
She also paid asimilar tribute to him in her Sticky Sweet Tour
@@Progbassistand the last few seconds… a little sample of her song “Angel” and “Never Can Say Goodbye” in her handwriting… Michael is her son David’s idol
"Women don't scream for other women. And men are to cool to scream for women." Realest thing I ever heard Michael say!👍
they do now lol. But they didn’t at the time when Michael said it so I totally get what he meant but nowadays people do scream their asses off for women. Never on Michael’s level tho but that’s just bc he is Michael Jackson you know
@@bibibobo8723 No they don’t it’s not genuine it’s FORCED!
@@pressurejawn Really??? The industry is FORCING young women to scream for these Female Artists like Perry, Gaga, Grande, Cardi B, Beyonce, Eilish, and especially Swift??? I wish you were right, bt you're wrong, dead on
@@EricSmith-jo1lt I’m 1000% right it’s not pandemonium MJ didn’t have just folks screaming he meant going absolutely bonkers MJ is right plus you’re looking at it in retrospect frfr💯
@@pressurejawn Huh??? Is English not your 1st language??? If you can, take the time and go back and edit what you wrote, so I can understand more clearly cause it sounds like your saying that even MJ's was fans were forced to scream. And how do you know today's women are faking it???
Their relationship summed up:
Michael: i wanna go to Disneyland
Madonna: I wanna go to a strip club
...
Lol
Lol!
and both are good
Xd
right
Madonna is so gorgeous. I’ll never understand why people say she’s not. This woman is absolutely stunning.
I agree
She cannot sing.... her voice is just "normal"..., nothing special. 🤣 Just all about the show..., she's a business woman, got very good managers.... Difference between those two: MJ had real talent, Madonna's talent... just a good business woman. Nothing more
She’s stunning, charming, smart, funny, irreverent, hard working, outspoken, visionary, creative, independent- One of a kind. Love Madonna ❤
When she is not a blondie, unfortunately she often was
" I’ll never understand why people say she’s not"
Because she is only half as brilliant, stunning and gorgeous, as *she* thinks she is.
I love how Madonna still speaks of him in the present tense.
Both Madonna and Michael are true music icons,without a doubt
michaels a million times more talented and successful
@@AC-mp7cx Yes
@@AC-mp7cx No
@@ok-cz1ih No
@@nathanieljohnson5908 yes, we all know it
The both of them walking together at the awards show was iconic n legendary
Madonna: « I’m not going to Disneyland. Ok? That’s out. »
Michael Jackson: « I didn't ask you to go to Disneyland »
I love MJ’s response. 😂😂
That was so legendary from Michael. I could listen to that day in and day out. HE spoke the REAL truth. Another instance of Madonna being a control freak was when she demanded MJ to take his shades off and act normal, as if he wasn't already 🤷♂️. This was all according to Elton John btw
Lol, mike was like; shorty....what is you on????
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can someone tell me what Madonna did to be so controlling to MJ .
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They used to hang out together also for possible collaboration.They both attended as dates in 1991 academy.And Madona was saying to MJ that he should cut his hair and change his style.
Michael Jackson and Madonna are LEGENDS in their own right. Many of these pop performers are influenced by them one way are another. I give Madonna props for speaking kindly of MJ after his death.
@ Terrence
Agreed, personally I consider Madonna to the only artist who had a simular kind of level of awsomeness.
what is madonna a legend of kissing ppl unwanted
michaels a million times more talented and successful
I disagree. @DJ both are top five for best selling artists of all time and have their own quirks and perks. Madonna was good at making pushing boundaries and Michael was good at preforming. They both are huge public figures
Michael Jackson only wanted “ yes men” and is RIDICULOUS to suggest he got more adulation-the look of the 80s teenager is Madonna wannabes- her influence was undeniably profound .
I will always respect Madonna for never trash talking mike esp after their falling out. Solid move considering how bad he dissed her, even Lisa Marie couldn’t help but give him a few jabs at some points, God rest her soul tho. She admitted she made a mistake.
I can still put on an MJ or Madonna song to this day and it instantly transports me back in time to being a kid when everything was fun and simple. Always a fan because it’s the music of my childhood ❤️
Hello how are you doing?
They both are such sweethearts despite being perceived as 'feral' by the mainstream media.
I've been a Madonna lover for 40 years and a Michael Jackson fan for the same number of years. How can you be so blind and talk about rivalry. Open your eyes to this day, Madonna still has Michael deep in her heart. For me both are wonderful singers, people, and an unfinished couple!
+FAsZiNierT TOtAL This is true. Madonna always loved Michael as a person & as an artist.
Their falling out in the 1990s is just Madonna's abrasiveness & bluntness rubbing Michael the wrong way.
She didn't know how to act around him & tried to boss him around too much.
Girl probably had nerves around him & that's how she expressed herself.
But she NEVER kicked Michael when he was down. EVER.
And she said firsthand that she abandoned him in that 2009 MTV Speech after his death.
She has regrets for not reaching out to him more in the 2000s & she kept it real in that speech.
Michael was who she emulated herself after. She wanted to become his counterpart.
In her Instagram no other contemporary is talked about as much as Michael Jackson.
There was one where she sitting with some other lady & talking about her muses with their pictures on the table.
One was Frida Kahlo. One was Dora Maar. One was James Baldwin. And one was Michael Jackson.
And the picture with Michael Jackson was a Bad Era concert pic mixed with a pic of young Madonna from 1981.
Their faces mixed together. She REALLY likes that pic & has displayed it on her Instagram before.
Whatever she couldn't do in his life, she will avenge him in his death.
Something carnal went on between those two. You just look at Madonna's 1990 Blonde Ambition gold outfit.
Then look at Michael's 1992 Dangerous gold outfit. Madonna's crotch area looks like a vagina on the gold part.
Michael's crotch area looks like a penis on the gold part. Those two are REALLY connected in ways we can't imagine.
@@johnlucas1543 Very true.
Mj Madonna Prince In my heart 1958 a Queen a Prince and a King were born
ppl say rivalry because they didn’t like each other. her defending his innocence has nothing to do with the main fact of when they were both alive, they weren’t close. duh
Wow, I have been a Kate Bush lover for that period of time. Kate is so gifted musically, she never had to do things for attention.
Her music spoke for her.
Back when I had ‘some’ respect for these people. We lost a great person and entertainer with Michael. He was the first one that fought the system of that industry! I respected him, that’s more than I can say with the lot of them out there now. Still miss you, MJ!
I agree totally 🥺
Makes you wonder, did he die of natural causes with the drugs, or was he given a helping hand for standing up to them ? I guess we will never know, but he said on the announcement of the last tour he wanted to say something.. but didn't get too !!
Totally agrreed
@@sammieholehouse6480 when did he stand up against the industry, I've been a fan for years and I know his troubles with the law but I didn't know he had an issue with the music industry.
@yb not long before he was accused of child sexual abuse. Apparently he told his family he would be bumped off, for standing up against the system. Also I heard when he was doing his last tour he wanted to make an announcement to the world, before he got to, He DIED !!
Their interaction was always very interesting and complicated. I think that Madonna always had a genuine care for MJ but I believe they had conflicts because not only are they polar opposites but I think she had completely different expectations of him, had a lot of notions and desires in her head and was met with what she probably saw as a frustrating walking contradiction.
As time went on I think she let her notions and desires go and got to see him as he was and that's why I think she always stood up for him in later years. I think he would appreciate that, she's also more complex and deeper than he got to see.
It's always better to have someone reveal themselves to you for better or for worse but has your back when push comes to shove, than to have someone smile in your face, say everything they think you want to hear but stab you in the back.
Well said! Agreed! @ Huny Buny
Yes.
Exactly.
Oprah vs Madonna. You described them in your last paragraph.
It's not that complicated. People's personalities clash all the time. She was an extrovert, provocative, playful, aggressive, etc. He was the opposite. Both legends.
Madonna is a living Legend. Almost all of us know that she is a legend. But her real price will become known to people after her death. People don't appreciate irreplaceable people in life, only after death. She is the whole story. An Icon, Legend and Emblem of American pop music.
She does need to die to be appreciated. She has been the Queen for 4 decades. The fact that she has enemies only proves she is still very significant. Madonna is Buddhist (Kabbalist and isms) meaning She Doesnt Give a Fuck about Legacy. She knows that is Dust in the Cosmos! She does worry about being a legend or not. She just loves to keep evolving and to share wisdom.
The OG
PREACH 😭🙌
Not if the Woke brigade have anything to do with it. Have you seen how they are rearranging history and swapping peoples skin colour after their death. Being an ICON will mean she is up for the whole Woke makeover. In 80 years time, no one will know who the real Madonna was.
I think Madonna was highly regarded in the 80's, 90's and 2000's until MDNA Tour, when she... well, make a joke of herself up to this point.
You compare her interviews in the past and present and she has changed a lot from imo a negative perspective; it's sad.
"women don't scream for other women, and men are 'too cool' to scream for women" very interesting and insightful! both of them come off as very well-spoken and do a great job of articulating their thoughts. i think madonna and mj both go deeper and deeper than any of us realize
I thought it was sexist and frankly ill informed. Anyone who watched fans react to Madonna, in concert, on the street, at an awards show, would see and hear plenty of girls and gay men screaming for her. Many of those young girls looked up to her and even dressed up as her… it was a whole fashion trend of girls called Wannabes… how many people wanted to dress like Michael? Michael and Madonna were very different personalities, and had very different experiences in the music industry. Michael has a family supporting him and pushing him into the limelight, but sadly he never had a childhood and his fame came too easily and quickly. Madonna had to grift for years, being poor and hungry while trying to break into the business, which taught her how to survive and be strong and assertive, but it was a difficult time.. she was repeatedly robbed and even raped when she was living in a dangerous part of NY when she was a struggling artist. Michael had no idea how hard it was for Madonna to get where she did in a male dominated industry and she couldn’t understand why he never wanted to change his image and experiment creatively. Both are great artists, I respect them both. I just think they had different life experiences and personalities that made it hard for Michael, at least, to understand someone like Madonna.
People should get their priorities straight and stop focusing on the little. I am very grateful that Madonna defended Michael against SERIOUS allegations. So many jealous haters never seem to care about that. The way she behaved was in the past, today she just defended him. But they dont care, lol.
I agree. There’s quite a few clips of her defending or shining light on several female artists.
@@raycarter8070 Yeah she acts crazy sometimes but when things are serious she will genuienly help. That "doc" that came out was so hurtful and she used her platform to defend him which is a risk for celebs to do since the industry hate him. So I am forever thankful for that.
No ones jealous of Madonna. 😂😂😂
Madonna talked positive about Michael . She loved him
But he didn't speak positive about her! Michael always could see through the bs & he saw straight through her!
@@Cutdiamond I agree. and he always said she wanted to be me. after he died she did those concert. made you think
@@Cutdiamond Michael was in so many drugs/medicines i wouldn't take his words 100% for real. He didn't match liked her personality and that's it
As far as music is concerned, the King and Queen of Pop will never die.
Yeah, Elvis will be remembered forever…
exactly
@@obsolise8063 Elvis is a racist thief. He was unoriginal
She is Not a Queen!
Amen to that!
Madonna was extremely popular in India and as a kid I sang all of her songs. MJ was equally popular however I could not match my moves with him though I am a trained Indian classical dancer. I loved Madonna more but now as an adult feel the genius of Michael Jackson and how he cannot be replaced.
Maddona is great but she's not as popular as Michael Jackson cuz even the people living in villages without technology know who Michael Jackson is.
@@raiden8991 funny how youre talking for those people living in those villages Lmao
@@csa856 and why is it so funny to you?
I'm talking about his cultural impact he didn't even need any technology or social media to make a name for himself.
@@raiden8991 true Michael was popular EVERYWHERE
@@raiden8991 Not all villagers know him only a couple of handful do
The idea of Michael Jackson and Madonna telling each other to shut up is something beyond my wildest dreams
M.J. and Madonna are definitely in my top 5 favorite artist of all time for sure! 👌🏾💯🔥🔥🔥 I remember when Madonna first released her debut album back in 1983 during the pre Like A Virgin era and I also remember back in 1982 when M.J. released his masterpiece Thriller. All I can say is... that was definitely a wonderful time to be alive and witness! You just had to be there to truly understand what I am saying. I will always be a huge fan of M.J. and Madonna forever!🤗
So true. 1983 was a great year for music as well for me. I was 8 years old. My parents had bought Thriller and madonnas first album was the first album I bought.
Y’all are so lucky that y’all got to experience that but now y’all make me feel like a baby bc I was 3 years old when MJ died
It is true ,all what you said. You had to be alive and remember how big of a stars they were to understand that. I was. There was not any internet back then, even news were interrupted if Michael Jackson had something to say. It was really incredible. Celebrity status in my eyes is no more. Because, I have seen all that happened. I gladly be older, when it means I have get to live those times, see all that, it was like magic, I guess it was somekind of a magic. The most happy kind!
@@ambrusin4889 I wish I got experience what you did back then
@@paulharding1972 I was 12 when Thriller came out and 13 when Madonna came out with her self titled album and yes, I agree it was a magical time to be around. I still remember it like it was yesterday. And oh, how I miss it now. It at once makes me happy🤩 but it also makes me sad that those years are gone.😭
When most people were against Michael, Madonna supported him. And Madonna's support was doubly important, because Michael was and remains the King, while Madonna was and remains the Queen and supported him. Thank you, Madonna, you are a true Legend, like Michael Jackson.
Most people was not against him ur getting something from the media name ten people who were against him and when
She supported him publicly after he died. She was mute when he was alive.
She waited until he was dead before she defended him. Only Elizabeth Taylor defended him publicly during 93 and 05.
@@juliajenkins9677 who’s Elizabeth Taylor ??
@@anthonytaylor7928 all of the Santa Barbara sheriff's office
I was just at the Madonna Celebration tour concert last night. She opened up with Michael Jacksons Wanna Be Starting Something. And sencond to last song was dedicated to a mix of her and Michael Jacksons songs and her seeing him off to heaven. Plus she showed a lot of pictures of them together. She loved him.
It ended with a huge sign saying "Never Can Say Goodbye"
Madonna is a tough woman but in this business, you have to be if you want to do it for decades. And at the same time, she is also righteous and honest which is more than rare. Ans she never seemed to have lost her humanity in the 4 decades she has been performing. Thats quite a feat.
Geez....if only you knew the real truth about her! Righteous? Honest? Pffftt 😅
Праведная?! Вы абсолютно не понимаете смысла этого слова, если применили его к ней.
@@Cutdiamond 100%
@@Cutdiamond she literally said she’s “been around” in this video.. 😅 lol
She can rival him as she has height. It was a healthy rivalry. Madonna was one of the only living artists of the Michael Jackson era who defended him after his death. She is the Queen!
So glad he didn't cut his hair. I'm all in for his curls in bad era 😍
All he would have to do was change the wig sometimes.
Her defending Michael in that British Vogue article sums up her love of context.
Hence, she was shocked the song In The Closet had no lyrics whatsoever regarding sexuality.
I think they were both right about eachother. Madonna got to where she is by being assertive and powerful which being abrasive and cruel at times is expected given the massive barriers she had to tackle. A lot of celebrities have said she’s not kind and honestly I can totally see it but u don’t blame her, it’s definitely a defense mechanism. I mean look what happened to Michael. The kindest celebrity of all time and he was brutalized up until his murder. The only thing that was wrong with her is she should have learned to be kind but cruel when necessary. She never found that balance.
I think that she was kinder towards Michaell than the inverse. She always said good things about him a always defended him and in return, he said that she was nasty and jealous just because they had disagreements on certain things and different tastes.
Michael was soft-spoken but he was not the kind as he wanted to be. According to Quincey at the time they worked together, Michael accused Prince of trying to kill him (really?) and there were other situations where he mocked Prince. I think that Michael always tried to hide instead of dealing with his own negativity and that was what ultimately lead them to use all sorts of medication to stop his hate toward himself and the pain that came with this self-hate and insecurity.
You don't ever have to be cruel or unkind for success. For one example Dolly Parton. ❤🎉
Oh please! What barriers?! 😂😂
First off, stop using the Word “Cruel” for Christ’s sake, she’s just a blunt & honest person who does not suffer fools at all, which is how she rose to the absolute top, in a male dominated industry. The reason Michael said the shit he did was because Madonna was bluntly honest and told him he needed to change his image and break out of the same one he’d have for decades. I mean, if anyone was aware of the importance of an image change, it’s her and sadly he didn’t listen and couldn’t move with the times.He say’s she’s jealous, but she was his equal in the fame department and she’s not into fans fainting for her, but he was envious she could constantly change and grow musically, go out in public and be free and outspoken.
@@Christian_Adonis1Well said.
Madonna is beautiful and one of the greatest pop star in history.
@Christodavid X So who is the greatest pop star in history NOW
@@b.b.4010 In History ?That will always be MJ ,no one else.
michaels a million times more talented and successful
Madonna and Mj are the greatest pop star in history, no one comes close. They are in the league of their own!
@@b.b.4010
Err… Elvis, of course… simply look at the stats…
Michael was too Good to everyone...He invited everyone to his life & believed in them... That's the biggest mistake of his Life...I wish Someone was in his side and guided him....if you're too Good to this World , this is how they would treat you....Be good to those who understand you & not to everyone...This is a Cruel wold...Michael was a Messenger....But the Society Just teared him down for Being God like...And the Biggest Comedy is that still many people are believing on those False claims made on Michael...I Pity for them for they couldn't see that Michael Was a True Angel / Messenger of Jesus Christ...Michael Jackson is more than an Entertainer ✝️Good Bless🔥Rest in Peace King of Humanity 💐
Jesus loves you
I don’t think it’s a mistake for MJ to want good & love outta people of the world I feel you’re only saying this in retrospect which is very shameful of you to say it’s a mistake for MJ to have forgiveness and compassion/empathy in his heart🙇🏽♂️✍🏽👑🎯💯
Sometimes being nice doesn't work.
Totally respect her reaction at live aid . She was true to her self … as always !
I still find it so disrespectful that she was not asked to do the We Are The World song, I mean Dan Akroid, La Toya Jackson??? Seriously???
Madonna's fans who attended her concerts know that when Wanna Be Startin Something is played, it means her show is about to begin.
She did this in remembrance of Michael. No matter what her relationship with him was in the past But now she definitely loves him.
michaels a million times more talented and successful
No he isn't. She has the same amounr of talent as him
@@AC-mp7cxThey have the same amount of popularity and talent
@@Diamond_Jubilee no lol
@@AC-mp7cx yes lol
Hardly a rivalry, but I love em’ both 💙🧡
Madonna always kept it real & paid homage!
Their relationship must be the most interesting one in history. They are called as King and Queen. One was worshipped and later people all desperately wanted to drag him down. The other was always mocked as bi..h, but she never let others to undermine her dignity anyway. One had dream of childhood fantasy_seeking otherworldly visuals like of space, the other had penchant for human's desire and instinct, some of things of the lowest ground. It seemed they are totally different, but they had something in common. They were the one of the kind, the most creative people, the era changing figures in culture. And they could share the loneliness of the height.
I think Madonna tried to change him, exposed him to her aesthetics. But in my pure assumption, she changed her opinion after she watched HIStory tour, then she understood the visuals Michael had, and respected his vision and artistry, and took him as who he is.
Madonna always knew what vulnerability was since her mother's death, but she just didn't let others use her own. As much as she was tough person to be around, manipulative and controlling to her surroundings, she had heart and sympathy for weak people who didn't know the way to defend themselves. People who have been forced to shut their mouth by others, she rooted for those people and wanted to represent them. She understood how the masses can be violent to others just to feel secure of their own faith. And she was never afraid of peer pressure. Even though it makes her alone, she's the kind of person who will choose her own faith, tell the truth that she knows, and most of time the truth she saw was right, it was ahead of its time.
Great!
Michael Jackson is unbelievably talented, miss him so much ❤️
Me too Dreams; Me too.
Me too!
Michael jackson is music and another league
I love Madonna. Super intelligent, daring, brave, the real deal. She would have been GREAT on “In The Closet”. ♥️
That duet would have broken all records omg
Back in the day I always seen MJ as the king of pop and Madonna as the queen of pop they were my favourite pop stars out of everyone.. 2 greatest of all time.. they still are right up to this day 👑👑 ❤️❤️⭐⭐💎💎🌹🌹💞
Madonna and Michael Jackson in a duet!!! YES! And she would be PERFECT in "In The Closet"
Well, she tried...
Back in a time (prior to his death) when any public support of Michael Jackson would be risky to ones image, at best, and at worst, totally detrimental to ones own career... Madonna still tried. She was still a vocal public supporter of MJ.
After his death... when even more allegations had been heaped on MJ, when the world was changing & the Me Too movement was gaining traction & TO NOT believe a "victim" was UNHEARD OF... She still tried. Madonna still supported MJ. Regardless of the consequences, she still tried.
Gotta respect her for that. It turns out, she has one great big set of brass balls.
80's and 90's were 2 different awesome dimensions. its impossible to compare it with depressive 21th century after 2007 in cultural/fashion/music/movies/technology/simplicity/everything. who born after 2000 there is no words for to subscribe the Vibe of the MIGHTY 80's & 90's
Michael Jackson was a superstar all across the 1970s, when Madonna & Prince were still at school. Watching, admiring & listening to Michael Jackson & the Jackson 5. Despite all three being the same age. By the time Prince & Madonna blew up. Mike was already a veteran of the music scene by a good 13 to 14 years! Just incredible.
I agree. Especially after that Janet docuseries.
I forgot how long they’ve been in the game!
My mom always said this.
Michael was on a second or third comeback when they came out.
But in 2022, she exists and they don't.
When she dances, MJ is at the graveyard now...unfortunately.
Those days when Legends was fully presence. a real time for celebrate the stars, the music, the atmosphere of real music moments ! Those days will never EVER come back. period
PRINCE, MICHAEL JACKSON & MADONNA (and to a similar degree but on his own terms, Bruce Springsteen) we’re rock royalty in the 1980’s. They were omnipresent, you couldn’t go a day without seeing one of them in the press.
My first ever concert was MJ at Wembley Stadium in 1988, followed by another MJ show a few days later in Wales, and then I saw Prince at Wembley about 2 days after that. That week was head-spinning in how it fried my teenage brain! 😂
@@fang_uk thanks for your comment man 🙏🥰 well, in one hand I wish I had this remarkable opportunity as you had.
- I just backed from Maroon 5 concert here in Israel. Adam Levine says it's the best concert he ever did because this place is incredible and the people here make him feel so welcomed. This concert was sold out and was full by 65 thousand people who show them love like only Israeli crowd knows. Well, guess what? they add another show (a day after), and I just backed from this 2nd concert, today and all I can think of is that we might don't have many concert's from artist over sea like others countries in Europe (and like the states for sure), but we sure do has the best love to give for those who chose to come over and perform. P.S both shows sold out 65 thousand tickets *EACH*.
I'm inspired ~
I’m surprised Madonna wasn’t invited to sing on We Are The World since she was one of the biggest artists at the time!
I think Madonna liked to shock people with many things that she did, but there was an element of truth in much of what she did. She exposed racism in Religion with her Like a Prayer Video. That is the video that really made me respect Madonna, because images are very powerful and she sent a very powerful message with that video.
There were more outrage over Madonna kissing a Black man in church than a black man falsely arrested.
@@PungiFungi Indeed.
I missed the reference to racism in that video
@@floatingsara the cops accused the wrong guy bc he was black. The actual bad guys were white. Racial profiling.
This channel . I wish it existed when I was 8 years old it would have saved me thousands of hours looking for rare videos or watching interviews and a lot of different videos about MJ.
Thank you!
Uma pena eles não terem cantado juntos 😱sem dúvidas foram os grandes nomes de 1980 em diante ✨🌟✨Duas lendas 🌟🌟
Gen X 1980s. These two were the soundtrack of our lives!
This incredible woman has been doing it for over 40 years, not many can say that. Truly phenomenal!
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In a parallel universe they met. They got romantic. They fell in love. They have beautiful children and they're both doing great. Two of the greatest icons of pop music merged as one.
They did have a child! A little girl named Britney! Lolz jk😂
Well Done! Thank you for your seamless editing and collection of some uncirculated quotes. Much appreciated!
Thank you!
Smart woman!!,serious allegations deserve serious scrutiny.
I like when legends respect each other.
She respected him - but he didn't really return the favor. He was pretty immature and unprofessional about it.
I am not a Madonna fan but I love that she hit the nail on the head with innocent until proven guilty and what was their agenda. Good for her.
Been a Madonna fan my whole life. Fell in ❤ with her 🎶 way back in the early 80's when I was maybe 3 or 4. Still ❤ her today & always.
"I tried to have an influence on him."
Sounds like she was trying to control him & change who he was. Glad he didn't let her do that nonsense. In the same breath, glad they mended their differences & that she defended him.
Yes, that's what is sounds like to me as well!
Weird isn't it, the same MJ image she was criticizing and trying to change is what really made MJ, that's the reason millions of fans liked him so why tamper with that? She had some serious issues.
Madonna não foi convidada para We are The world e ironicamente é uma das mais bem sucedidas cantoras ainda na ativa daquela época, não teve vício algum e continua em alta. É isso, nascer para reinar soberanamente ❤
No addiction she was and is addicted to adrenochrome
👏👏👏👏 amo Michael Jackson mas essa mulher teve que ralar muito para se manter, eles poderiam ter colocado ela no vídeo,e realmente concordo plenamente com tudo que você disse.
People gotta remember, back in the 80s and 90s Madonna was young. She said and did some stupid stuff as to be expected.
Now she's Alot older and more mature.
Some of u can hate on her if you want, but she defended MJ when he was in trouble....don't forget that.
From Bashir to LN....she didn't follow the MJ hate train.
MJs so called friends turned on him...she didn't.
Mature how, she's a old hag who still thinks she's the hottest woman in the world, but the truth is that she's an old stripper, egocentric and narcissist, who make every calculated move, using everything and everyone on her behalf. Michael didn't like her, he was not her friend. He knew who she is.
there is a difficulty coming to the fans in saying she was a bit arrogant and that’s no hate when even MJ demonstrated that
I used to like Madonna as a kid of the 90s and early 00s, but she seems insane now.
she’s the same amount of insane she’s always been… and in a good way
People said the same about Michael remember... don't throw stones.
She’s a class act for how she honored her friend.
Janet told Michael not to work with Madonna. She didn’t trust her and thought she intended to mock him. Janet was very protective of Michael
I used to side-eye Madonna a lot. I tried to dismiss her accomplishments because of her sometimes rude behavior & the willingness of the mainstream to promote her in line with the old Elvis Effect-A White artist getting all the glory despite the work of the Black artist.
But I had to get over that. Over time I had to realize that Madonna was legit. You don't stay around for 40 years if you're a fluke.
And as much as I still resent the Elvis Effect, her being White is not the total reason why she gets her glory.
Old Hollywood actually liked Michael & snubbed Madonna. She looked up to Marlene Dietrich & Marlene called her Trash.
So she wasn't as welcome & accepted as it may appear. And being Female has its own obstacles just like being Black does.
She always wrote her own music & she LITERALLY changed the game for Female Superstars & Superstars in general.
She innovated so many things & broke so many boundaries. Who am I diminish her accomplishments?
But ultimately what turned my opinion on Madonna is that she's not a phony or a fairweather. She has character & courage.
When she says something, she means what she says & you're not gonna run her off of her stance with peer pressure.
She NEVER ran down Michael about anything important. When the witchhunts came, she didn't pile on Michael to get ahead.
And she easily could have if she wanted to. But she didn't. Instead she backed up Michael against the tide. MULTIPLE times.
When looking back, I wish Michael would have spent more time with Rude Madonna than Sheisty Rabbi Shmuley the turncoat.
She would have never stabbed Michael in his back like Shmuley did. She would keep it real with Michael & he needed that.
She has regrets on not making a better effort to reach out to him in the 2000s era. She wished for that connection too.
In death, she upholds him constantly. No other contemporary is talked about as much on her Instagram than him.
Madonna always admired Michael as a person & as an artist. She wanted to become the Female Michael Jackson, his counterpart.
And she has done that. If Michael is the King, then Madonna is the Queen. I'm fine with that comparison.
The only one to come close to challenging his utter dominance on the charts was her. No one beat him but she came the closest.
Janet Jackson is the Queen of Rhythm because she was never seeking the crossover specifically.
Madonna is rightfully the Queen of Pop as counterpart to Michael as the King of Pop.
And Michael, Madonna, & Prince make up the Holy Trinity. She earned that position & I have to acknowledge that.
Well written.🥹🥰
I agree. I remember that she posted a photo of her and mj right before the lifetime documentary. It was really nice. Few people have had huge comebacks like Madonna.
People always saw Madonna as a threat because she is a woman with character, she doesn't get the credit she deserves. That woman revolutionized the music industry and opened many paths.
@@LareinadelpopMadonna I agree. I think that Janet is the blue print for alot of modern pop folks, but Madonna rules b/c she is different and very creative. She made her own lane! I purchased my copy of rhythmn nation last night!
Wonderful thoughts right here, I congratulate you for such beautiful message. Thank you, perfectly described.
Short story about MJ and Madonna from Matt Fiddes, MJ's bodyguard. He was driving MJ though London and MJ say's "I heard Madonna is in town" Matt's like "yeah she's performing in a west end show" Mike replies "that good, am please for her.... she needs all the help she can get" 🤣
I always liked it King of pop and queen of pop........... Huge Respect to Madonna who respects my king 👑❤️......I think there is no rivalry between them as the paparazzi published... it's just misunderstanding which Madonna tried to drive away.......
Thankyou so much for this video 💕...All the best 💐 for coming videos .... keep rocking
He STILL is one of the most talented people
He’s Thee Most Talented Person Of All Time!✍🏽👑✨🎯💯
He's dead.
@@live2diedie2liveagain78 who cares?
He destroys today's phoney "superstars"...especially that bruno mars clown lol 😆
@@mjlivetv8065 Who cares that he's dead? I would have thought the insane Moonwalkers cared, I could be wrong. Moonwalkers post only to get likes; that's their only reason for living.
I LOVE Michael's response to the glasses in the car. ❤I can picture him doing that and winning the moment. :)
Who's bad!? 😁
Madonna can’t be compared to Michael Jackson there is no comparison.... Madonna ain’t on the talent level of mj ... but it’s good she always stuck up for Michael and had good things to say about him
Madonna is on the same level as MJ performance and sales wise
@@AlexeBriand2002 Nope..she was not on his league dude
You might want to Google your claim on record sales.
@@AlexeBriand2002 Performance yes not sales
No artist got close enough to the sales of 'Thriller'.
Micheal Jackson did not like Madonna. I believe HIS version on meeting Madonna because she was definitely that way. Micheal didn't kiss or hold her hand...I think she made her version up only for clout. It was his song, she should've went along with what he wanted.
True, but at least she still supports him. A lot of people Michael did like turned their backs on him.
@@bobblueford its faker than her whole body
Thank you Madonna for standing up for your one some friend MJ. She is so genuine here, probably they would have kept friends but MJ cut people off later in his career. I miss MJ. 😥😥
I think, in the end, there is no rivalry to speak of here. Michael's voice is unique: no Madonna will ever compare with his voice.
Hahaha! I feel the same way. I don’t think there will ever be another Michael Jackson…EVER!
No one ever compared them vocally. Michael couldn't ever write like her.
He was THE BEST PERFORMER but when it comes to vocal ability, he was a good singer just that. He didnt have an outstanding voice, but his whole art, dancing, performing, costumes, dance moves are what made him the greatest. But tbh, his singing voice was average.
@@JuanRodriguez-jx6uv you are right that it is not necessary to compare Michael with Madonna in terms of vocals .... There is a difference ... And also vocals .... Madonna is a vocalist, she pulls notes vocally, etc. ... Michael is great performer.. right! And also a great arranger, a great dancer and show director....he is the king of Outrageous. !!! One Jam is worth it....👍😂Madonna moves a little, only sexy movements mostly, she sings and shocks, they consider her a sex symbol....They really cannot be compared...she also has a lot of fans and she has been for many years kept afloat .... Michael is a completely different genre, unique and the only one at the moment .... and in terms of sales of his music is still not inferior ... Thriller has not yet surpassed in the number of sales ... They cannot be in principle to compare .... Michael is unique, this is a miracle !!!! Yes! He has everything and a unique performance of songs, artists say about him that he is their teacher .. many tried to borrow something from him. he uniquely vibrates with his voice, knows how to control it in such a way that people go into ecstasy. And his dance is worth something, it’s impossible to take your eyes off👍👍👍This is a gift!!!! And outrageous clothing also matters .. for an artist. Everything in the complex .... He is the best. He is the first director of such large-scale shows in the world!!! Until now, people listening to him and watching him are very much amenable to some kind of supernatural magic. But again, who loves him, then to the point of insanity, and someone does not perceive it at all .... You know about this ... Madonna has her own memorable vocal features, voices ....! vocals and sexy movements... made her a star for many years, at that time she shocked with clothes and sexy appearance .. and sexy movements... Also, everything in the complex made her a sex symbol .. Mike is completely different... .He is Great!!!!! He is a Genius.... But I would not compare them.... each artist is individual. But there is no one like Michael, not even a little similar, and never will be. Michael Jackson is the best.......❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
There's no rivalry: Madonna is not a pedophile.
the more i learn about this woman the more i respect her. she's one of the last feminists in the modern "traditional" sense. did wonders for women in the industry, and always remained on the side of justice. much love to michael too who was proven innocent yet again in court only recently. these two are legends will always be legends.
Exactly. She's NOTHING like what today's feminists THINK they are. You never heard her utter that corny phrase "I just want to empower girls and young women" blah blah
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As in, before hyper-feminism..? 💭
To be honest, Madonna is now embracing the form of feminism she once rejected.
Yes, true. I also respect Madonna because of the work she did during the aids crisis in the 1980s. It doesn't tend to get mentioned now, but I remember Madonna even including an insert in her album to inform and educate people about HIV. I thought that was a really brave stance when at the time there was just such a terrible stigma about the disease.
"im not going to a place whereb they crossdress" "women dont scream for other women" god he was so closeminded
When I was a kid I never appreciated just how pretty she was!
Love you MJ forever ❣️
Two amazing people! Love them both for their differences 💖
Love this channel and it’s content!! You guys are awesome!!♥️
I love MJ’s curly long hair 😍
i too, his hear is beautiful, This is Michael Jackson, sweet angel
Eram duas personalidades completamente distintas, artistas com propósitos diferentes, mas ambos extremamente visionários... E Madonna sempre denfendeu o Michael da mídia podre, mesmo ele já tendo criticado ela no passado. The King & The Queen of Pop, ninguém acima.
Posso estar enganada, mas Michael nunca falou mal de Madonna publicamente. Essa gravação onde ele fala mal dela, foi publicada após a morte de Michael. O rabino Shumley fez muitas entrevistas gravadas com Michael, com o objetivo de escrever um livro no futuro. Porém, Michael cancelou esse projeto com o rabino após descobrir que o mesmo desviava dinheiro de sua instituição de caridade, a qual Michael ajudava financeiramente. A renda do livro também iria para esta instituição. Logo após a morte de Michael, o rabino se sentiu no direito de divulgar essas gravações na íntegra e lançou o livro com as transcrições das conversas e suas próprias opiniões a respeito da personalidade de Michael. Talvez se Michael tivesse concordado em publicar o livro ainda em vida, ele tivesse cortado muitas partes dessas entrevistas.
Exato, pra sempre the queen e the king of pop
@@senhorvanessa Em 2003, ela deu uma entrevista defendendo ele, no vídeo tem um trecho... Sempre que foi questionada sobre ele, ela o denfendia. Mais recentemente foi a respeito do doc Leaving Neverland, ela basicamente disse (não com essas palavras) que todas aquelas acusações contra Michael são muito duvidosas, e que em Hollywood há muitos picaretas espertos.
@@denisealves9224 the rabbi Scmhuley was another vulture in MJ' s life. Michael was surrounded by them his Last 10/15 years and they destroy him too
Wow only 16 minutes and it felt like I watched a hour long DOC....NOT BAD....NOT BAD AT ALL....
I don't agree that there is rivalry between them.Michael was on a different level and up to now no one comes close.PERIOD
Agreed
Exactly, He's LIGHT YEARS beyond her comprehension and Capacity climate in music and entertainment. Shoot female artists today are way bigger than she ever was
You might want to stop smoking that Propofol. You're not making sense.
Are you serious? No female artist has ever been bigger then Madonna from 1985-1991!! Madonna is the highest selling female recording artist of all time with 343 million records worldwide and is the most successful solo touring artist of all time more then any male or female recording artist
she was close in terms of succes and popularity, MJ fans always like to exagerate things.
Eles tinham personalidades muito diferentes mas ser revolucionário estava na veia dos dois! Salve à realeza do pop!
Só um deles revolucionou tudo com voz e talento nato, não se vestir como stripper aos 62 anos, e viver eternamente como se estivesse em 1984.
@@futureintime isso não apaga o que ela fez na música, e graças a madonna, hoje mulheres têm muito mais espaço/liberdade como artistas.
@@futureintime uma mulher pode ser o que quiser seja qual for a idade dela, seja Madonna ou sua mãe! Estamos em 2022, colega!
@@futureintime você vive em qual década?
@@futureintime quem é você pra dizer que só que tem talento nato é o Michael, quando vários veículos midiaticos reconhecem a revolução da Madonna na música em geral? É unânime que a Madonna ajudou na revolução de vídeo clipes, turnês e musicalidade. Madonna já foi convidada pra cantar com Pavarotti e Frank Sinatra, ficou pelada? ficou mais foi fiel ao seu talento e seu trabalho, foi verdadeira consigo e sua arte e não é uma pessoa como você que vai definir o poder de revolução ou quem tem talento ou não pra tal coisa, colega! 😂😂 suas palavras aqui é um recalque que muitos como vocês tem com a Madonna, nada além disso!
I forgot she wasn’t part of We Are the World, which was ironic as she was already skyrocketing with the fame above the others. And I agree I wanted Michael to cut his hair really short as well.
I still have very fond memories going on a road trip holiday in Dec '08 with my mum who is a Madonna fan. She brought the immaculate collection, I brought the newly released King of Pop compilation. We must have listened to every track at least 20 times over 5 weeks! There were rumours of Michael making new material with NeYo, Lady Gaga & RedOne, WillIAm, Kanye etc with a possible comeback tour. I remember saying if he does one last world tour I will have to get tickets but sadly like so many younger fans I never got to experience him live. Michael clearly left an impression on Madonna that was positive and although they were very different you have to respect her for trying to make amends and defending him. new material
When I started studying English in the class at school , I always listen to Madonna,Michael Jackson,Prince and Whitney' s songs for listening practice. They are still my heroes and will be forever.
What about Mariah?
She was beautiful in the 80s and 90s. Too bad we all have to get old😥😥😥😥
She’s seems very down to earth.
A good person no doubt to have tea with.
Thank you for getting all these information. I like your dedication.
Thank God Michael Jackson didn't get influenced by this demon.
😂😂😂
Michael Jackson the greatest Entertainer of all time,the records, concerts tickets and memorabilia all tell me the truth!! From the Jackson 5,until death, Michael Jackson is#1
Yes indeed 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💯💯💯💯❤️❤️❤️❤️😀
Still don’t care for him
Uhm not Better Madonna,,Jackson Is like Disney , Madonna like Kubrick 🙏♥️♥️♥️♥️