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Jordan Peterson Has Some Disturbing Ideas About Consent
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- Jordan Peterson responds to guest Louise Perry's assertion that a positive byproduct of the sexual revolution is that r-pe became less of a property crime and more of a crime against a person. Peterson wants to push back on this slightly, because he thinks it's more complicated than that: "It isn't obvious to me that that offers women enough defense...in order for that to be recognized as a crime properly it has to be viewed as something that will bring the males on her side to her defense in principle."
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Society: "rape is bad."
Peterson: "well hang on, let's think about that for a second."
"It's not obvious to me that that is case" in JP voice.
"It's kawmplicated."
if society is the one saying rape is bad, how does it make sense to also believe society has a rape problem?
"I don't call it rape. I call it the pushing game."
"Hypothetically, bad could also mean, among other things, good, which I find fascinating." - JP
"This is all very complicated..."
No Peterson, it really isn't.
Well said! It's complicated for him, perhaps, because he can't simply empathise and have compassion, and truly put himself in someone's shoes. It has to be about him, or conceptual extensions of him, for it to make sense to him, it seems. Maybe...? I'm not sure. Any thoughts?
@@Terra_Lopez you nailed it! The sun rises and sets in Peterson's arse.
What a weasel phrase.
@@Terra_Lopez
He has always had this position, even in the women in workplace/makeup interview, he doesn't understand consent.
According to him; "we don't know where the boundaries are".
One example, staring. If someone thinks your behavior is inappropriate and asks you to stop, it's enough. Same with personal space. None of these need any amount of physical touch, still there is a form of consent needed to engage in those behaviors.
Then like with any legal issues, the processing can be really difficult but that's also the case in sexual violence.
He seems to want there to be an objective rule and to be the arbiter of said rule. Sh!t, he has 24 already.
@@justanothernick3984 He doesn't understand what the boundaries are.. I'm not even kidding. He has a pattern even in his practice of running into trouble with female clients, it seems like he just has a complete inability to understand women.
Dude's crying about getting cancelled then proceeds to be unquestionably worthy of it.
You would cry if you were to be cancelled for something.
@@sphtpfhorbrains3592 I don't give a crap if someone is upset they're "cancelled" for something objectively offensive they did.
@@gracieb.3054 "Objectively offensive" - are you for real? What is offensive to one person, is not necessarily offensive to another. Therefore, when offense is taken, it is purely subjective. Very telling when someone will support cancel culture and determine that their view of what's offensive should be applied universally. Very authoritarian and dangerous.
💯👏 edit: this comment is in agreement with the original poster
@@sphtpfhorbrains3592So would you say child trafficking is objectively offensive, or is it ok if not everyone thinks so? Moral relativism is also dangerous. Also, is your username supposed to look as though it says "shit for brains? Just curious.
He's almost exactly saying "I won't blame the victim, BUT if those victims were more sophisticated, they wouldn't be victims."
And if they are victims they need to convince men, who we have told to ignore "me too" , because "something something woke something something Amber heard, so believe nothing"
I love the pretentiousness of Peterson when he throws out the word sophistication while he himself is a drug addict and crank oh and a gaslighting fascist.
You forgot the part where he says multiple times "It can happen to anybody".
@@lucasfreer2785 you seem to forget the part that is sole focus seems to be on blaming the victim in a rather indirect way. Just because he throws out “it can happen to anybody” is utterly meaningless when you factor in his sole focus.
@@lucasfreer2785He says it in the same way white supremacists say that systemic racism doesn't exist because a handful of individual black people are prejudiced against white people.
He's also a quack & a grifter who pushes conspiracy theories & encourages incel mythology. You might as well be brown-nosing for Alex Jones.
It's not complicated. It's super simple.
Actually it’s super easy; barely an inconvenience.
It depends what you mean by "complicated" bucko!
@@steven5054 ehm... what? Hey Steven, steven, you are not on the right path if you want a GF. Just stop.
@@steven5054
Steven, sugar, if you ever get confused about a love interest’s signals, just ask for a yes or a no, it’s hot, really, to be asked directly and clearly for your consent. It shows care. It shows you’re not a bumbling, malicious little cave troll looking for a hole to put his genitals in.
He thinks rape should only be a crime, if it pisses off Men who "care about the Woman"?? Wtf?
Yep, all conservatives think that.
And they only care about the woman apparently when they've got property rights on her!
I guess "general empathy" isn't a thing he was taught, or cared to learn.
@@arsefff Most of us are born with the capacity for empathy. Some are not. Women have higher average empathy. Conservative men have the lowest amount of empathy of all groups of people. That's not a coincidence.
Couple that with pro-psychopathy notions like "facts don't care about your feelings" (as if feeling stuff is a negative.. I guess it seems like that for conservatives who only have fear, disgust and rage as their emotions.)
Add on top of that the fact that conservatives have larger amygdalas, which are parts of the brain responsible for fear, disgust, anxiety and all that reactionary stuff... And you get the conservative male... If you ever get super furious when someone cuts you off in traffic or speeds past you on the highway, your amygdala is probably large and you should keep that stuff under control. If any challenge to your claims makes you angry, probably got a big amygdala. If being told that you should wear a mask turns you into a raging lunatic and the next 3 years of your life is spent raging against it to the point where being an antimasker becomes fundamental to your identity, probably got a massive huuuuuuge amygdala.
If you've been _scared_ of transgender people, amygdala big.
Conservatives are lesser organisms both in genetic and societal terms. Often raised by similarly inept parents, they live their lives thinking that sharing and caring is evil. In fact, the notion of taxation SCARES them... Touching the rich's wealth is terrifying and a slippery slope to fullblown communism in their minds.. Even though the biggest boom of commerce happened when the rich got boned the hardest with taxation.. Facts don't really matter to these people when they feel they're right though.... You could say their feels don't care about facts.
The existence of lefties makes them stockpile weapons to feel safe.. They plan to build doomsday bunkers and they've already picked out what food buckets they're going to stock their bunker with... They rampaged when their great leader didn't win the election cause they were TERRIFIED of _Joe Biden._
General empathy isn't overly present in these people biologically, and it's discouraged socially... You love your family and god, that's it. Everyone else is your competition.
Rally 'round the family, pocket full of shells! Like Jesus intended!
@@vgaportauthority9932 So "nature vs nurture", I'm sure in the right (not politically right) environment, this would be an easy problem to solve.
I would love to hear Emma do a 45 minute solo rant on this.
Yes! Id love to see that! I would also love to see her get 5 minutes with this guy to tell him how stupid he is to his face.
@@pamelaibarra790 Oh, she would be justified in sticking an ice pick into his eye... well, through his eye sock and into the area where his 'brain' is.
Me too! She was doing exceedingly well!
She needs her own segment!
And zero from sam
It isn't obvious to Jordan Peterson that women are people.
As a member of the female gender I don't give a 💩 about hurting some guys feelings by telling him no! No means NO!
and some of them don’t care
@@mariag.8242 And that's the real problem.
And more men need to accept it and move on.
But won't you care about their feelings? Poor guys
@@LucasGuillemette Uh no! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
His calmness as he states the most INSANE shit is so horrifying… how can u say that and not gag on your words?
And what's with this person interviewing him not pushing back? What a complete traitor to her gender
Cuz he's a malignantly narcissistic sociopath. After awhile they believe their own lies.
By being a total monster.
@@Ozhull seeing as it was held on the daily wire im not shocked by her disheartening behavior. self loathing & seeking validation... she needs to get a grip girl
He's spent decades thinking like this, that's how.
We need to talk more about how much Peterson hates birth control
Ironically, Peterson should have been aborted.
Maybe if you listened to his reasons for being cynical about it you might learn something from a different perspective
Please enlighten us!
@@hojosconsal9913 He says birth control makes women act more like men, and that women on it mimic infertility thus making them more attracted to men with narrower jaws and feminine features and that it is therefore unnatural and contributed to issues with modern dating (which as you can guess is not backed up by data or any evidence and in-fact sounds a whole like the pseudo-science and phrenology nonsense spread on Incel forums). He also claims the introduction of birth control was a mistake as a part of women's liberation because women were then able to have more casual sex and that made them more promiscuous bringing negative consequences society and making women unhappier. I am genuinely surprised that any women listens to this hack.
ALL REPS hate birth control!! They already did away with Roe and they’ve CLEARLY said BC is next on their list!!!
I want JP to have a Freaky Friday and wake up as a young woman going to college, or a single mom working at a restaurant, or a woman who travels alone for work, or a young girl at home with her father, or literally any situation where he is a woman or girl who is not safe by herself in a room she can lock securely from the inside. After six months of interaction with "unsophisticated men", I truly wonder what he'd say.
Alone with her father? I do not think that is a universal experience of dread for most kids male or female. You might be projecting your family experience in the universal experience. Second men experience insecurity in all the same situations. As children they are little and without power and are often scared. As they grow up they experience bulling threats of violence and a similar risk of abduction and murder. The chance of rape declines into the late teenage years just to be replaced with increased likelihood of competition violence and murder. The common argument is that this violence and fear doesn't count because other men were doing this. But experience it as an individual. Everyone else is not you and that you share a one dimensional trait with them is no consultation.
@@stuff2008 well I bet all that mansplaining has put all those women in their place!
When he said in another lecture that ""ALL WOMEN have kids.. """ i almost died... he forgets that there are lots of unattractive women who cannot find men also.!!!!
@@lorrainesmith.4995 Lots of women not wanting children too.
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Jordan Peterson is a perfect demonstration of why feminism remains relevant.
I feel like it's become even more relevant now because conservatives are saying the quiet part out loud now and being openly misogynistic... And of course pushing to take away freedoms like access to healthcare that were fought for before.
We're literally going backwards, and we need feminism to push back
And why it needs to be deliberately pushed on people all the more. There aren’t feminists and normal people, there are normal people and anti-feminists.
@@austinrichards5643everyone needs to push back, not just females!
Not just feminism, but rational thought and honest rhetoric as well.
He takes simple concepts and lards them up with almost meaningless mambo-jumbo.
@@x-marks-x5137 I'm grateful to see how many men are unapologetically identifying as feminists these days.
"If there's a woman in the woods, and no man around to see her, does she really exist?" - Jordan Peterson (probably)
🤣💅🍷
"Catch her in the rye." -Jordab Peterson.
Yeah he's totally a violent misogynistic reapist. And people actually believe that. Lol
@@timdahuman9781eew gross, I’m not aware of that. I’ll watch if I can find it. But one thing about David that you may have misread is that he doesn’t get combative EVER. He destroys with reason in a friendly way with a smile on his face. If a viewer is watching only for emotion and not laser focused on content of his words one would mistakenly believe that David Pakman was in agreement with his guest. Check with yourself about what you focus on and I will check David’s podcast with Scott Galloway.
@@timdahuman9781older JP made a lot of sense on certain subject. Even then he was a bit out there on religion IMO but recent JP is off the rails. It may be the content that you are watching and depend on if it’s old or new.
I was sexually assaulted two weeks between my 21st birthday. I was in the US Army at the time. Now, was that a crime against my father? Or the US Army? Actually, in that time and context, it was me who committed a crime. If I reported the assault and named the perpetrator, I would be punished for causing harm to the rapist. That was 40 years ago. I never married (the assault had a big part in that), so who do I belong to? I'm 62 now. JP has little understanding of the diversity of experience,
And what does he have to say about men who experience sexual trauma? The VA calls it military sexual trauma (MST) In absolute terms, the number of men veterans who experienced MST is much higher (in absolute terms) than women veterans.
Slightly pushy? When he pushes you down, one hand around your throat, the other over your mouth and nose, and your only desire is live through it and get home.
Sorry that happened to you 😔.
I pray you’ve found healing. I’m sorry this happened to you. 💔
Since Peterson is a hero to the incel community, this is not a surprise.
Right?
He’s basically giving them a manual on how & who they should assault. 😔
You need to learn what incel means before using it. 😂
@@seame3795Let me guess, you made that judgement and you've never actually read the book, am I in the ballpark?
@@PakeezSlayer This is not the epic burn you think it is. There's actual footage of Peterson talking about how he's seen as the pseudo intellectual hero of the incels. Piers mogan asks him if he is exactly that. And he agrees that he is and gets quite emotional about it. So shush silly incel boy. 🤣🤣
@@MissSpookyMooky Point is you use these words, which by the way are meant to describe modern day school shooters who live in their mothers basements and think the world owes them a favor, except towards those who have been branded by social media as a problem for having a different opinion and not falling for your mentally ill ideologies, now nobody is saying feminism is a problem but now you want to call anyone trying to better their mental health and recapture their masclinity as an 'incel' AFTER the fact. Perhaps it would benefit you to sit and listen instead of crying and slapping labels on everything like some sort of psychopath who locks themself in an echochamber and can't deal with the fact that a different way of thinking exists
He has disturbing ideas about most things that seep into his tiny mind
Tyler ! You're everywhere! Always love your take on things.
Disturbing to say the least
He does have some disturbing ideas. The thing I find most troubling about him is the ardor of his fans / followers. They pretty much worship him. If you try to point out anything even slightly negative about him, they just completely lose their minds. He has so many inconsistent positions, some of which are completely contradictory. He’s definitely a dumb person’s smart person.
Tiny mind? Mate, his mind is soup
@@lim4275 he's Andrew Tate in a bad suit. And while I loathe Andrew Tate, he's way smarter than Peterson.
If only we could see Peterson handcuffed and dragged off to jail.
In the 90s marital rape was still legal in some states.
Yet sodomy was illegal in other states. Bizarro world.
Marrying children is still legal in 43 US states.
@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans it's legal for cops to fornicate in their tax funded police cars while on duty in many states too.
@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans damn that’s screwed up
And jordan was there for it !!!
When I was 15 and 16 I was taken advantage of sexually several times. I was quite unsophisticated and had extremely low self esteem so I did not push back in these situations. The idea of telling an adult man no, and the uncomfortable and potentially dangerous situation that would follow that “no” seemed like a worse option. But that just means it was my fault, right? Unfortunately I didn’t have any brothers to help me learn. Which means my parents friend and my best friend’s stepdad couldn’t be blamed for what they did with me. It’s completely my fault. I should have been more sophisticated. Well. I sure am now.
Sorry that happened to you. Fuck victim blamers.
I am so sorry no one defended you.
I hope you have gotten some therapy; what you describe suggests that you were "groomed" by you parents to accept abuse.
There are groups for survivors of sexual assault and child abuse. Many face this in their 30's, 40's or later.
This points to the heart of the flaw in his logic: children are inherently “unsophisticated” by design, which is why they are more often preyed upon. Secondly, not everyone has a male relative, because apparently only men can protect women but men can’t possibly be held accountable?? The most egregious part is that he paints young women & girls who are victims as “unsophisticated” but not LITERAL TROGLODYTE PEDO/R4P*ST SCUM like ok so all men are perfect and yet women are meant to be super-meta perfect by age 6 to fend off said men. The mental gymnastics is tiring…. 🧀 also what a great name you have it was really fun to read you must really love cheese!! Gave me a hoot.
It is not your fault. Talk to someone at the Rape crisis center. They have really good therapists there.
So sorry for you having to go through such a horrible situation of rape and be blamed.
Wow.... I was 16 a long time ago, and the girls I fancied had no problem setting limits and communicating them. I also had no problem seeking consent.
Decent guys seek consent, and decent girls set limits and communicate them. Lines get blurred, and behaviour change though, whenever one or both parties are under the influence of alcohol (or other drugs). In your opinion: Would an intoxicated 16 year old girl be able to set limits, and will she remember later what she had been communicating? Alcohol effects people in different ways by lowering inhibitions. Typically men gain confidence, and women become loose. Some become aggressive and violent, and when in that state, will a man be seeking consent?
Well, looks like it's been a year since I wrote this. Don't even know what the video was about, but I am not subjecting myself to more JP.
I'd say, in terms of consent, if the established boundaries have changed for someone when they happen to be drunk, you don't take advantage of that. You respect their established wishes expressed while sober.
Regarding drunk people pushing established boundaries, we don't make excuses for driving while drunk because we were too drunk to know better. The same goes for sexual assault.
So what if the men in her life do NOT come to her defense? If her brother, father, husband or family friend assaults her and they want her to keep it quiet? Does she just...stay silent? How dare JP, how DARE he!
It's almost like Jordan hasn't thought this through to the end.. Instead just applied his idiocy to the one woman in his life, his daughter.. "This solves the problem for my immediate family, thus it must solve the problem for all worthy families. Those, for whom this does nothing, deserve nothing."
Or if they’re in on it.
e.g. trying to marry her off against her will.
It gets even worse than that, what if it’s the men in her life who are the abusers? Because all too often, abuse starts at home, with fathers, cousins, brothers, uncles, raping girls.
Then what? What will recourse do they have then?
@@Nocturnalux ,
As seen throughout history... the women (if they were adults at that time) get punished for bringing false accusations against men.
He’s saying that what constitutes abuse ought to be agreed upon by relevant actors in society. In this case it was a woman who was the abused, and if the abuse is to be societally legitimized, it ought to be recognized by men (the woman’s protectors) also- just as well as women. Now, I don’t wholeheartedly appreciate how Peterson went about articulating this idea but I understand what he is saying, and I don’t see it as misogynistic.
I'm not trying to blame the victim. Because I don't need to try. I AM blaming the victim.
What victim?! /S
@@wilcee238 there are no victims. There are only uneducated female
it just comes naturally
@@wilcee238 rape victims
@@russellward4624 /s means sarcasm
I used to see little clips of him and think he was just a rambling professor and not so bad. Now I feel a sense of rage I can’t explain.
there are many of us who feel like that.
Jordan we went over this. You can't just blame the victim and then say "But I'm not trying to blame any victims"
well... I gues he was not trying but just doing it overtly.
It's like "I'm not racist but..." or "I'm not trying to be a dick but..."
@psychicbyinternet Beat me to it. The lack of intelligence needed to even attempt such a basic, obvious verbal conjuring trick, is staggering. And some people consider this tool to be the most important public intellectual of our age. Hell's bells.
Jordan Peterson is the ultimate embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect…
Nah he’s more like Freddy Krueger
He's kind of like Victor Krugar. The Victor Krugar effect...
There's being so ignorant to one's own ignorance that one simply ignores any opportunity to grow.. and then there's remaining indifferent to one's own indifference that making a difference in another's life is a joy one will never know.
So wild that confused and stupid men and boys come to this "sage" for his "wisdom.". I dunno about you, but if I am taking advice from someone on how to live, how to think, and what to believe, I am going to pick someone who has something I want. Faith, serenity, a lasting peace that I want in my life.
This "man" lives in perpetual darkness, he's got none of the light that Jung claimed was the very essence of masculinity, he's got nothing worth having. He is a miserable creature that's created miserable children.
He's got nothing of value for anybody, and it's truly sad that fools turn to him and take his advice. He doesn't know how to live, let alone how to live a good life.
What about dennis prager?
Whenever Peterson is getting ready to talk for a long time without really saying anything, he starts with “It’s complicated”
"Climate change? Well climate is everything, and you can't have a theory about everything!!!"
Any time he is about to same some unhinged shit - “It’s complicated.”
"Well that depends on what you mean by..."
Do you believe in god?
WeLl what Do u MeAn By DO?? And what do u mEaN by BeliEve??? What Is gOD? And I MeaN preCisely
"It's worth pondering...." followed up by an unhinged, unfiltered, off the top of the dome ramble.
Rape is about power and dominance that results in a violent crime. To introduce it as a lack of communication and sophistication by the victim is a massive red herring.
Tell that to Mary Kay LeTourneau.
Then tell that to her fellow nonmale p3d0 Simone deBeauvoir who invented feminism to cover up her lust for underage boys.
Do men never get raped?@wynn1587
"Sympathy for that perspective." Meaning what? I feel sorry you have that opinion?
"Sophisticated women." Stunning. STUNNING that he thinks he can categorise women fending off harassers and rapists into sophisticated versus unsophisticated.
According to Peterson, a young woman is expected to not only be in charge of her own behavior but also the behavior of the young man she’s just met. That seems like a lot of responsibility!
@Wynn Because the mean girl needs to be nice to the poor boy’s feefees.
But he isn't victim blaming
@@martinpfefferle2558 OP didn’t say he was.
@@martinpfefferle2558 He isnt...? Of course he is!
@@jamesregiste960 sorry, sarcasm doesn't come through
The first case of marital rape in the United States was 1978
Also, I need someone to get a head count on the number of times Jordan Peterson says "it's really complicated" about things that nobody else thinks is complicated
This shit right here. I start a timer. Or I have shots ready.
Unmarried women just got the right to birth control, currently only legal for married women. And it was a hard fight to make it illegal to rape your wife.
@@craffte A drinking game would undoubtedly leave you dead within 20 minutes
@@grahamskippyt's his "get out of jail free ", card "!😊
Yet he thinks the psychology of all trans and gay people is the same.
So his point is that if women are raped, it's important to demonstrate how it harms men before it can be taken seriously.
Words fail.
He is evil.
He literally looks like a movie villain now. Sitting in some wooden mansion with dark victorian furniture, in a constricting, dark and shiny suit, looking serious, fighting against empathy and justice.
You mean like Snaggly Whiplash on Dudley Do-Right of the Mounties?
Both Canadian, ehhh.
And a red face from living on red meat exclusively.
@@f0xygem Snidely Whiplash! Lol!!!
Nice to see that his critics are reduced to making fun of his looks.
@@AlexReynard because JP would never tear down a perfect stranger for THEIR looks like he did to that poor SI cover model. He’s a POS.
“I’m not trying to blame the victim.” Really? You’re doing a great job.
He doesn’t need to try. It comes naturally
Isn't he though? He's such a moron.
Jordan lies, so glibly, that's Exactly what he was doing.
Yes or no.
Do women have agency?
If women do have agency, then, why does asking a woman for her account about what she did automatically mean "victim blaming"?
Whenever I see the term "victim blaming" I see (self identified 'victims') engaging in a behavior which I would identify as .
So...
Do women have agency or not?
Yeah, abusers always single out the most vulnerable. It is entirely the fault of the perpetrator: not the sophistication or lack thereof of the victim..
"bring the men to her side in principle"
_enters statement into Google Translate_
"bros before hos"
There's two types of people in this world: white knights and incels. Neither are allowed to talk about fight club (it's JP's first rule).
So basically he's saying that the only reason a woman's father or brothers, or other male family, will care that she got raped is if they view it as an offense against themselves instead of her. What a low view he has of men, he's basically saying men can't feel compassion or concern for anyone unless it personally hurts them.
Bizarre like, he argues that rape is solved by the fact that it enrages brothers and fathers and male friends and family, and uh, they presumably go out and beat up the attacker?
Half or more of the women I've known intimately enough for them to want to tell me about such things have lived through sexual violence. How many then had their brothers, fathers, etc go out and get vigilante justice against the perpetrator? I mean, none, as far as I know?
Supposedly in early human civilization, serially sexually violent men would wind up mysteriously dying during hunting trips. But these days, we literally live in a society, men might still have that urge to solve such problems directly, but they also have families they know would be worse off if and when they got locked up for doing that. So, it doesn't happen
JP always argues so forcefully with the most flawed and just on it's face, just entirely wrong points-of-view. It's literally like listening to a 15-year-old boy, completely confident in his own correctness, entirely oblivious to the fact that he's seeing things through an entirely untempered and autistic lens
This.
The man shares 99% of his ideas with those macho motivational coaches and pick-up artists, but since he also happens to be an academic, he knows how to talk like one and he can paint that crap with intellectual sounding arguments.
He shouldn't be part of any debate about women. You don't invite pro-pedophila intellectuals at debates about pedophilia.
@@buttlord4204 exactly, it's like he's living in some world where there's no police, no law, where people just go out and exact vigilante justice. Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it.
My mum was terminated by her school district for being pregnant with me in 1971. A housewife with a baby could not legally keep her job back then.
I started work in a UK bank just after they lifted the marriage bar.. .women lost their jobs when they got married, and even just engaged, in some professions, until 1972.
@@dmob881 It's abysmal that Britain, America, etc. allowed such sex discrimination.
@@sirphineasluciusambercromb9114 Yes, indeed. When I think back, and realise what I witnessed in my own lifetime, it does shock me.
And I fear the likes of Jordan Peterson would have us right back there again in a heartbeat.
Thats Jordan Petersons fault
Even putting aside the property concept, he clearly doesn't see women as having any agency. He thinks the only way to prevent rape is by having men be angry. As tho only the anger of men makes a crime valid. His misogyny and narcissism is off the charts. It's insane how often he calls literally anyone who doesn't like him narcissistic, when I don't think I've heard a more narcissistic person speak.
Humans are naturally patriarchal and hierarchical. Men need to protect their women. Promiscuity is wrong for both men and women, and leads to single motherhood, STDs, psychological issues, rape.
Projection is the narcissist’s favorite tool.
I hate to break it to you buddy with without men enforcing laws / families protecting their women there’s nothing which presents a women from being r*ped
@@SantasGAINdeer It was the Peterson clown but indeed, sadly he is not alone thinking this in those right wing chuds.
He definitively sees no value in women. When he was let's say "sane" or less crazy, he was already claiming that women now having jobs and ambitions was taking away the jobs and ambitions of men since men are the saviors of women and if women are not there passively waiting to be saved, what is a man's life? According to him, women should go back to be damsels in distress, forced to give themselves to the man saving them from whatever. No choice, the man who came to their rescue is the one assigned to them, he deserved them. That is order. Otherwise females are chaos.
That weird guy really had such crazy sexist ideas...
How about if someone doesn't want to have sex, you don't force yourself on them, even if you're married, regardless if you're a man or woman.
Whoa! Slow down there chief. /S
@wilcee238 lol sorry for the radical idea
Whoa there buddy, those are big words... Do you think JP and his ghoulish fans would understand it?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You needs at least a couple of books to get anywhere near such an extreme conclusion. How about we all clean up our room and think of lobsters instead?
what the fuck, what's next? Police not being able to shoot whoever they want without consequence? Republicans being held accountable for the lies they tell? This country really is running towards ruin.
I can’t believe this guy is/was a licensed psychologist.
still is, should be was. He's deranged.
He would never be licensed in Ireland.
Imagine a woman who came to him for therapy after having suffered a sexual assault. "I think healing can only begin when you start to think about this less as an assault against your own humanity and personhood and more as an assault against your husband's assets."
He will be losing his license to practice very soon.
I'm in school to become a psychologist myself. I was genuinely shocked to learn he had a psychology background.
Peterson is a good example of how pill popping will ruin you.
I'm pretty sure he was born mentally broken, and the pills just made everything worse.
@@rsr789 what is it about him that makes you think he is mentally broken? Genuinely curious
As is the case with how women's health is being ruined by 'the pill'.
You know, we never shamed jp for getting himself put in a medical coma to avoid working on his addiction. his whole schtick is personal responsibility, and he is objectively causing harm
Wow he is making such a simple concept of consent too complex. We don’t need this man
Bro said if a woman has even a remote interest in a man then a claim of rape is questionable because when does consent start and stop is unclear. When consent starts and stops is never unclear because it always stops at “no” and there is too many examples of when consent starts but the main one is “yes”.
@The Invisible Woman and like... does he think people in relationships can't rape each other?
Just because you've had sex before and will definitely want to in the future, does not mean you want it all of the time. There will be times where one of you just doesn't want to, for whatever reason, and that's fucking fine.
Consent is so fucking easy. Is my partner responding positively to my advances? Yes? Keep going. No? Stop. Not sure? Ask.
We need this man, and men like him, to disappear from existence, entirely... For the benefit of all men and women around the world.
@@amylake9064 Actually, Yes, he does believe that partners in a relationship can't be raped by their partner, because partnership (to him) is servitude to the wants and needs of the man. He believes that it is the responsibility of the woman to perform her womanly duties on demand in order to keep his ego fully intact, without question. He is a twisted fuckhead, and he should be in a mental institution instead of giving young men advice on life.
@@amylake9064 It's only called "complex" by people who have some shady shit in their past tbh.. Just like how everything morally dubious is "complex"... "I only drove 80mph in the school zone cause I had to take a dump, officer... Surely you can see the complexity?" no... Poop in your car while keeping within the speed limit... Or find some other way to get the job done without breaking the law... Putting people at risk because you gotta poop, stop and think about it.. Not hard to figure out what's right or wrong there..
Traffic rules are not complex.. And consent is considerably LESS complex even just on an empathy level... You don't have sex with people who aren't into it unless you're into having sex with people who aren't into it, AKA being into being a sadistic rapist.
Jordan has 100% raped women. 100% guaranteed, that's why he's calling consent complex, that's why he's calling rape complex. It's not complex. Rape is brutality, the degree of the brutality matters, but it's not like there's a good rapist out there because "at least she didn't cry, so I guess I'm not really a rapist, it's complex." Nah, still a rapist. Just left a woman confused and maybe even feeling somewhat to blame for not being more clear...
Jordan wants all bad men to be seen as misunderstood, and all women to be seen as misunderstanders...
Sam nailed that impression so nicely.
unfortunately, as good as their impressions of peterson are, it tends to undercut the seriousness of his aberrant views on things.
@@phillip8132no it demonstrates a true understanding of it by recontexualizing it imo
@@phillip8132 I think Sam was just trying to lighten up the mood, he literally stops the clip out of disgust (and rightfully so)
I love that his impression was so detailed that he failed to finish a single statement. But he does need work on the hand signs. It's lacking in authenticity due to the missing jedi mind tricks.
@@phillip8132 So true. It just sucks that sometimes these people are so outrageous you just have to laugh.
this is the guy who went on joe rogan's podcast to literally advocate for state-mandated girlfriends for lonely men, and then got immediately slam dunked by joe. he has NEVER believed in consent, he's ideologically against the premise as a whole.
Bet you anything he has raped his wife.... amongst other women.
He never said that but ok
It’s his way of showing us he’s a low value male who is very low on the mating totem pole. His history of female rejection is very obvious.
Not denying this but can I see the vid? Where to find? Or audio?
@@will_pilled search "Joe Rogan Calmly Obliterates Jordan Peterson" it's another MR clip
Jordan saying only “sophisticated women” (again, a high status only confirmed on her via men - sophistication is apparently unobtainable on her own merits) know “how to say no,“ deflects from the fact that rape is about not taking no for an answer, no matter who it’s coming from. The WHOLE POINT of what makes rape bad, is that you’ve fundamentally ignored that other person’s choice.
And what the actual with him saying things are complicated, when they’re not even remotely complicated? Dude is WEIRD, man. Dude is weird.
This also reminds me of every time an attack on a woman makes the news, clueless men in positions of power or influence say how terrible it is because, after all, they have a wife, daughter, sister, etc. Your level of empathy toward women should not be determined by the presence of women in your life!
This!!!
its easier to empathize that way since you can kinda imagine urself in the victims place more. The fact that you interpret that as negative shows me that you are a narcissist or a psych
@@AhmadM25 you dont know them at all. Youre playing armchair psychiatrist
@@AhmadM25 y can’t u just empathise with the fact that they’re human?
@@sainttheresetaylor2054 some people have trouble empathizing. including me. Everyone i know tells me i dont feel sympathy or empathy. Its not intentional though i try my best to empathize with people and sometimes i end saying weird shit thy sounds wrong yet helps me empathize
Emma really shined in this segment.
She's been really great recently and as much as I love hearing from Sam I wish he'd stop interrupting her so much lmao.
California has just legalized relationships between adults and children as long as the child is, and I quote directly from the legislation... a 'willing participant'
She's allowed to "Pause It" whenever she wants.
@@braydenkenney3313 she makes me cringe almost every time she speaks but here she is spot on and articulate
@@braydenkenney3313 true, she's a good anchor in her own right.
Thank you for this, you straight up busted this creep
1. expecting battered woman to be "sophisticated" in their manner and judging them for not being "sophisticated" after surviving trauma
2. 16 year old women are not capable of complex thought
i would not let this man near any woman in my life, or let him near anyone who would interact with a woman at any point in their life. holy shit dude
He didn't say any of that
*16 year old girl
Peterson is saying only men have the right to determine if a woman has been raped. This is, of course, misogynistic and totally insane, because rape is legally defined; it shouldn't matter whether people in rape victims' lives acknowledge that they were raped. Also, what if a woman has no men in her life? If we follow Peterson's ideas, such women will have no legal recourse if they are raped.
He's also saying that as a man, he wouldn't "in principle" defend a woman's right to not get raped unless he had ownership of her....
wolf in asshole's clothing
Well I'll put it this way: when I was growing up in a fundamentalist cult, the translation of the Bible they used, used the word "owner" instead of husband. This was in the 1990s, and I doubt they've changed it to this day.
What a woman wants sexually from a man could easily be seen as assault or rape if she determines that's how it should be defined. Women have been asked to be slapped, choked, tied up, etc. A man who would refuse would be looked on as a pathetic wimp, too afraid to take control, but man who does so and gets blamed for sexual assault would be seen as a rapist. This is the reality that this channel would NEVER delve into. The narrative of women as the perpetual victim must be maintained.
@@incipidsigninsetup do you know what the definition you're missing that makes your whole example absolutely silly? You explicitly stated, in those situations they asked. It's the consent that makes the difference, that's the whole point
@B it's not silly at all. You are ignorant to how some women weaponize sexual encounters, and for that, you should be grateful. There are plenty of men out there who know exactly what I'm talking about.
the avoidance of empathy is almost hilarious
Easy to laugh when kermit goes full SNL Weinstein in 35 seconds.
His Objectivist principles preclude empathy. Everything must be transactional in his worldview, because it supports capitalism's hegemony and that's the only thing rightwingers actually care about.
you know what pretty famously can cause that, is opiate abuse. it can like, close your heart, if you know what I mean.
I have always suspected his "benzodiazapine" addiction was his cowardly, dishonest way of concealing his actual addiction, to both opiates and benzos.
Which makes a lot more sense in the context of him flying to Russia to be knocked out for a week to go through withdrawal without feeling it, like the coward he is.
Benzo w/d can be dangerous, but what it isn't, is particularly psychically painful. Can cause seizures, in those predisposed, but the suffering is nil, no sleep for a couple days, feeling a little bit on edge.
Bit opiate withdrawal plunges you into darkness. Even that, anybody who would be worth taking advice from can appreciate the pain, deal with is, look at the psychic state like a rare bird showing up in your yard or something, just observe it while it lasts.
But his lack of insight and faith, that darkness is too much for him to bear. Like the coward he is, he demanded access to a shortcut through it all.
Little man has a lot to say about the heroes journey, all jacked straight from the pages of Joseph Campbell's books because he truly does not grasp Carl Jung's thought despite supposedly specializing in it... but he himself has no ability to walk through those dark places, let alone cross through them, learn something transformative, and come out the other side better for it
@@john.premose His transactional world view is pretty much the extent at which his mind can operate.. Once he has to take feelings into account, his whole thing just crumbles. That's actual complexity that he doesn't have the capacity to tackle. That's why sociopaths like Jordan and Shapiro work outside of human psychology and disregard people's quality of life completely. They literally lack the ability to understand emotion. Jordan is so inept at understanding it that he just cries for no reason ALL THE TIME. Hilarious.
Easy to make a moral framework if you care nothing about other people and disregard their feelings and emotions fully just to favor your own disciples... "Hey guys, consent is complex, listen to daddy, it's complex." Meanwhile, good people go "No means no."
@@john.premose he's... not an objectivist lol. what makes you think he is?
It's weird that he would mention 16 yr olds as a specific age for a non-specific example, especially once we consider the majority of cases where a minor is the victim of SA it is an older male family member who does the assault... His entire "system" is a cover to prevent even the most casual investigation into the majority of SA cases involving minors.🤷
Fun Jordan Peterson Facts:
Jordan tends to refer to little girls as "Budding Beauties" in his rants
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Just when you think Jordy Peterson couldn't be more of a ghoul
I’ve never thought that about him. He can always go lower.
Him and Matt Walsh are very dark and strange individuals.
@renee ciccioni Yeah, Matt Walsh is for child marriage. He's a sick f*ck.
@@Ellieempress They've learned not to interact with actual opponents. Instead, they field softballs from an imaginary inquisitor OR a supplicant from the Amen Chorus 🤡
It's simple guys. If a woman says no at any point then you are done and need to walkway. Doesn't matter if you are at the bar, at her house in the bed or even butt naked in the middle of having sex. If she says no or even seems the least bit uncomfortable you wrap it up and go to the bathroom or home and handle the situation yourself. If you can't handle that then you need to seek clinical help.
For both parties too
@@rudalph5923True, but the problem is that most times the man can fully force themselves physically unlike women.
@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883 it has nothing to do with physical power If men say no means no same goes with Women
And how is it working out so far? Not getting the point
Gold.
I could never understand why people fall for this senseless and malicious jp talk.
It is AMAZING how much conservatives struggle with the idea of consent. It’s a hurdle they just can’t pass.
I'll help you understand. They think they are "endowed by gawd", with "unalienable rights." These loons actually see themselves as the inheritors of gawds wisdom and laws, and almost invariably revert back to Old Testament beliefs when it comes to anyone's rights but their 'own'.
You mean because of its racist and antisemitic history of being used by non-men of non-color to justify hate crimes and lynching of men of color? That is literally why it was invented in the first place. It is why Leo Frank and Emmett Till were sent to early graves at the hands of lying terrorists who were neither male nor of color. Yt feminism just kept the ball rolling for this racist Misandrist stereotype of men of color being inherently criminal. It is why “toxic masculinity“ is a Misandrist slur a form of verbal terrorism, not protected by the first amendment. It is how Joe Biden was able to pass the crime bill of 1994 and make it a crime to be a black man in America.
This is only difficult when you don't see women as equal.
Emma nailed it. Jordan Peterson is just showing his own inability to sympathize with women and extending that shortcoming to some naturalistic assumption about men in general. This means he must also believe that there's a good, or at very least understandably compulsory, reason for men to not be able to sympathize with women. And he's so far past having already reflexively justified his blatant misogyny that he's struggling to not word it in a way which even he's aware sounds dehumanizing to the person he's speaking to.
Great point. This is really well explained, and an important point. My friend, who is/was a JP fan, finds it almost impossible to understand anyone who is not just like himself. So people like me, or women in general, he just doesn't understand, and he always assumes we are just like him in how we think and process information.
In one of his old videos JP just realized his wife is wise and smart and has valid thoughts and feelings after 20+ years of marriage. He needs to get off the internet.
he's an intellectual psychopath, the ultimate incel....very dangerous since so many young men apparently idolize this guy
@@theinvisiblewoman5709 he's married? 🤣😳😳😳
Damn you nailed it
I know we always crap on Peterson for being cringe but the way my jaw dropped as a woman listening to him say this. This man is dangerous period
What did he say that made your jaw drop?
@@DarkWandererAUThat a rape of a woman is somehow only a bad thing in terms of how it affects the men in her life.
@@williamrisbridger60 He said in the past it was a crime against the man because women were considered property hundreds of years ago. This was just a woman reacting to a heinous thing and thinking he was talking about in in today's terms - he wasn't.
Discussing history isn't dangerous.
Unless you can share the time in the clip where he says the heinous thing undoubtedly, its just people's warped interpretations
You people must be insanely functionally illiterate.
@@oOSilverZackOo Keep projecting about yourself
JP's facial expressions all seem to be varying degrees of having a nervous breakdown while having a bowel movement
"a crime against a woman is a crime only until a man is sufficiently aggrieved" - Jordan Peterson.
Jordan Peterson watching The Last Duel - Exactly, this is how rape trials should be done!
Nailed it
Thats not what he said. He said if you watch his whole show that when a mother is raped the kids are affected as well as the husband, and Sam and the ignorant cast of charactors fail to acknowledge that the rapist is being sentenced on behalf of the family's suffering as well.. It's called a deliberating mispreterial dummys!! This is our current justice system, and they wanna over throw it!!
@@antimediaman9354 nice try
I think, on some level, Peterson denies the validity of women's issues, merely seeing them as a histrionic distraction from the REAL issues - cultural Marxism, wokeism and men being sad.
"by the time she wants to say no she's already on the bed" . Guess what she can say no on the bed like wtf
I know right? His views on sex and consent are so concerning. You can be in the middle having sex, then decide you want to stop. And that's perfectly okay.
I was once having enthusiastic and very consensual sex with my ex when a spasm of pain suddenly ripped through my body.
My then boyfriend immediately stopped and asked me what was wrong. He was more distraught than I was, as he thought he had hurt me.
According to Peterson, he shouldn’t have stopped because, hey, I was already in bed.
Came here to say the same thing. Like the bed is not some sort of “point of no return.” At any time either party can say “no” or “stop” and sexy time is over. Not saying your partner won’t feel some type of way about it, but there is no point at which you lose your right to say no. Wtf indeed.
@@Nocturnalux
That's not at all what JP was getting at.
In all likelihood he refers to a scenario where she doesn't say no, despite that she uncertain of whether she wants or not (or certain that she doesn't want to). And when "she's already in bed" it's obviously more difficult to say no, usually.
JP basically say's that assertiveness leads to saying no "in time" - rather than regretting it, say, 3 years later and claming. "rape".
However, this lack of assertiveness is accounted for in certain countries. By making consent something which has to be accepted actively. I.e. in the absence of "Yes" there's always a "No". One better sign a contract I suppose ...
About time JPs license was discontinued. Praying for the poor "patients" who sought his help, especially the young women. No amount of re-education would be able to rehabilitate him for practise. Sam's impression is bang-on. Also, JP seems to be saying that if a woman has no men left in her life (ie - her father has died) then she can't really be raped anyway, sophisticated or not.
Every time JP didn’t let that woman finish her thought, I wanted to shout at him.
Woman: “and there’s also the threat of physical violence, which is understandably frighteni-“
JP: “well, it’s a complicated thing, right? If we teach women from an early age to appeal to the man’s ego, relations will improve, blah blah blah and so on.”
The pauses and superfluous word fog that spew out of JDPs mouth are so powerful 😂
FYI: JBP.
He gives the illusion of being smart by talking in a way that’s hard for most of us to understand. When in reality he doesn’t understand what he’s talking about either.
@@CF-bg3jd
Seriously! And the story about his grandma?
How to be a savant in the psychological sciences;
Use absolutely meaningless word salad to give the impression of complex and academic thought
Slip in some freudian, oedipal ramblings that disgust and intrigue, because disgust and intrigue is how psychology gets popular, by showing daring and faux “nuance”
Insist that the cultural establishment is correct but the scientific method and consensus themselves are not, another faux nuance while reassuring the powerful, who can elevate your career despite your anti-academia
Punch down against other, smaller movements like feminism, intersectional or not, trans rights, black lives matter, because you must have something to debate, and what else is easy to debate on air than already tirelessly debated schools of thought?
He is a mastermind, but not in the sciences, in grifting.
Less legitimate, even, than John Money himself.
My son was listening to this segment with me and said (he may have been quoting someone else) that Peterson just spatters words through a swastika-shaped screen to create a Rorschach test for potential followers.
Jordan Peterson is disturbed.
Quite.
Drugs...
Benzos abuse causes brain damage. He has all the symptoms of that.
Confused and sick
Confused and sick
The other thing about this conversation, was that Peterson rudely dominated airtime, sucked all the air out of the room, and didn't let Louise speak, despite that she's quite brilliant and well worth the hearing.
Honestly he was more polite to her than most women, I guess because she didn't push back that much. He is usually extremely rude to any women he talks to unless he knows they are sycophantic toward him (conservative).
@@psychicbyinternet He actually expressed worry about ANTIFA!, with armed, "conservative", pitifully misinformed and militarized morons all over this nation ready to wage civil war. lol. Good for a laugh if it wasn't so insidious.
@@psychicbyinternet If they are sycophantic toward him , it makes it easier for him to rape them.
Peterson, as Emma asked, what do you think of rpe against males? Is it a "complicated" issue too?
I literally had my jaw drop open in shock as he started to say that he was going to "push back" against the idea that women aren't property and that it is "complicated".
I don't know why I'm so shocked when conservatives say the quiet part out loud. It's just so crazy to hear them say it. Unbelievable.
So true. And what makes it even more illogical is that in some Arabic countries where women are treated like property, rape victims are still stoned to death due to “sexual immorality”. Nothing he’s saying makes any sense.
Is it a requirement that someone be legitimately retarded to be a Seder fan?
At no point did Peterson say he was going to push back against the idea that women aren't property. You have to be sub-70 IQ or radically dishonest to interpret his words that way.
@@milesfurther4395 I would guess his ideal world is something akin to that, but Christian.
@@milesfurther4395 Peterson is quite popular in arab countries, he has tons of fans over there
Peterson’s views on most all subjects are ‘complicated!’ However…his words remind me of people reading the Bible…and how different people will interpret the same passages of scripture differently…unless they have been indoctrinated by their religious teachings to interpret scripture one certain way! Learning everything out of some book never brings about wisdom! This is where I see that Peterson is in short supply!
His daughter dated Andrew Taint for a while. And he was cool with that……
The man sticks to his principles
Wait that really happened?
xD
Didn't she leave her husband and child to visit him? Truly, the Dragon of Chaos incarnate.
at least he’s not a hypocrite!
As a woman, these comments are so refreshing. So many kings in the comments 👑👑👑 It’s man like you who fight radical feminism, not people Jordan Peterson and fanboys or whatever who badly complain about this group. People like you who help us get away from the crazy belief engrained in us that all men are evil to us. People like you who treat us with respect and don’t see us as less. I’ve been there… I saw people like him and lost hope seeing so many people agreeing with him. You lose so much hope that you turn to a group who has radical beliefs and you start believing every man wants to harm you. I focused on positive man like people here in the comments and I have such a better view about men now. And if every man was like this and would just keep showing those to radical feminists it would help a lot more get away from radical groups. The same is the other way around, showing men the same respect and that women aren’t adversaries who constantly playing mind games to screw men over. Unfortunately radical people like this will always exist but each person that is still sane can do their part. If we keep showing love and respect to each other we won’t have those groups divide us anymore and start hate war between men and women. Because we are both great, strong and needed💪
Imagine if Jordan Peterson *didn't* dehumanize women and treat them like they should not be stakeholders in legal matters that involve their own agency.
It's seriously disturbing that there are people who look up to this dude.
I'd like to thank Emily for her explanation - When he made his initial statement about men needing to feel more 'involved' he genuinely lost me, in the sense of "I couldn't follow where his logic was even trying to go", which unnerved me because I'm usually pretty good at seeing the world from other perspectives. Turns out my issue here was that I'm good enough at seeing the world from other perspectives that it simply never occurred to me that I needed a reason to be against violent assaults other than "It's a truly awful thing to do to another person", though I have to say I didn't think that was so much of a "high bar" as it was "a basic requirement of a not being diagnosed as a narcissist with psychotic tendencies"...and the fact that he missed that is another reason (on the very long list of reasons) to revoke his credentials.
It's commonly said that people study psychology to understand their own issues. I have to wonder if he started doing the same and then, along the way, convinced himself the rest of the world had the issues and it was his duty to fix it. You know, either that or he's just a shameless shill who will advocate anything people are willing to pay him to explain why they shouldn't feel guilt for acting like a POS.
Again... He's blaming victims
As a Canadian, I apologise for Jordan Peterson.
We know it's not a Canadian thing. I mean, I know for the US, we have plenty of j.. as''s*..
Why? He's the only decent thing Canada has given the world in decades.
@@mdale814 hey! You're Micah too! He's ok sometimes, sometimes I want to grab him by the scruff. But Canada is awesome, with or without Jordan P
"But this is all compilcated, because it is not obvious to me" is the exact quote Tim Dillon used to make fun of him on Joe Rogan.
Yes or yes
There's something seriously wrong with this man.
"I think it's fundamentally true, but I'm going to push back on this." Says it all.
Emma on fire here. Good to see. Like seeing her shine like this. Give us more.
😂
His attachment to Jung has blinded him to his insanely Freudian issues.
Lmao
He's not even a good Jungian his anima is so fucking rancid
My parents married back in 1966 and one of the things my dad immediately did for my mom was make sure she had a credit card that was SOLELY in HER NAME just in case anything ever happened to him.
And as fantastic and caring and noble as that was of him to do because of the time period, it's still ridiculous that HE had to do it for her. Like Sam said, this wasn't THAT long ago!
yup, my mom was a legal adult (19) before women could get their own credit cards/bank accounts. i'm 28. really puts things in perspective
I only got five-and-a-half minutes in before I had to put this in the watch later bin because I started getting a migraine.
I had never heard the notion that rape was a property crime, and I am 68 years old. So I guess I feel young because I can say this was before my time.
Nah that still doesn't help. 😢
it was not a litiral property crime, but there were similarities, this is a bit of a metaphor, it really depends on where you live. But yes society in the 70's was quite mysogonistic especially in many smaller/rural areas, and there . There may be many similarities betwixt raping women and property crimes
Jordan Peterson didn't create the law lol
Emma knocking it out of the park 👏
oh I STRONGLY disagree!
wait, Emma is that quavering old canadian guy right? I’ll have to re-watch to double check, but my impression was that the Emma dude was a total lunatic
@@AwesometownUSA autism awareness month came early this year
@@AwesometownUSA Swing and a miss.
@@AwesometownUSA 🤡
@@LinkRocks
You didn’t get the joke?
"It sounds like I am blaming the victim..." -- Peterson. Yeah, it does. Maybe because you are.
What's insidious about Peterson and these other guys is that they'll say something that feels true or might be partly true, and they'll ride that horse of half-truth deep into the woods of their ideology.
So, it's true that naive and unsophisticated people often don't know how to assert needs and boundaries or read another person's signals, and that this often results in confusion, hurt, and harm. That is indeed a genuine problem!
Peterson's solution for this is to just take society back to the 1950s (at least)---rather than, say, advocate for better widespread psychoeducation in consent, boundaries, safe sex, and good communication.
It's appalling that JP even was given a high school diploma let alone awarded any kind of degree. He didn't seem to understand any real basics of human dignity or autonomy.
Not every woman even gets asked by a "pushy" man and given a chance to say no, some of them just get spiked/kidnapped before being raped. At worse they may even end up missing/dead for days.
You can be missing for days, but actual physical death is permanent when all body functions permanently cease.
This was as recent as the 90's. Stepfather beat and raped my mother in our home, and the police did nothing. We live in Washington State. Police would say, 'it's a family matter', and left her & us 3 daughters in the home with the monster. She never even had her own bank account, let alone a credit card. People STILL think like this, and it's disgusting. Stepfather is free, living with his next victim, same town. Mom died at 54. Nobody gives a shit.
I'm so deeply sorry to hear that XOXOS
This is horrendous. Im so sorry!
I’m so sorry 💔
understood
That's awful. I'm really sorry. ACAB.
"That complicates things" is petersonian for "I know what I want is evil and thus I will indirectly advocate for the evil that was banal and widely accepted in the past because I am uncomfoprtable with a society that is different than the one I grew up in because I don't want to have to come to grips that things I was told as a kid by my parents to be good were actually bad"
The things he was told? Or the things that he did?
Maybe he's trying to justify his own behaviour from when he was in college.
There's serious negative consequences to what Peterson is proposing, and it's astounding he would even suggest it.
His license needs to be revoked fast. Wtf.
youre a smooth brain
@@thoticcusprime9309It’s a witty sounding insult, isn’t it? But you don’t get to call others that straight off the bat without any context or direct reason to label someone that. Ad hominems just make you look desperate and you’ve lost any argument when you do. How are they smooth brained?; do you just happen to be a massive fan of JP’s and white knighting for an individual who lacks complete genuine empathy and thus has to fake it as if he does? Because the acts exactly what you come off as here.
@@thoticcusprime9309 Written by someone who can't use proper punctuation.
Mmm liberal tears
I thought the 2-Face Suit was just a meme, but this guy really is a villain from Gotham. Emma raises an interesting point. What happens when a man is violated? Does the act cancel itself out since there's no property damage?
Uhh historicall.. yeah
When has sexual assault against males ever been taken seriously, especially when done by women? In England, it's legally impossible for a woman to rape a man. The maximum sentence for rape is life in the UK. The maximum for sexual assault (which is at most what women raping men would be classed as) is 10 years.
@@jourdanimmanuel7886 so what youre saying is, yes, it does cancel itself out as the law literally doesnt exist?
@@demJem09 No because Peterson isn't stating that rape is only a crime if men gain to lose from it. His point is that it's fundamentally true that the sexual revolution shifted rape from a property crime to a violation of sexual consent, but that maybe even that is not enough to stop rape. That there exists men who objectify women to such a degree that only the pushback from other men will stop them from raping.
When it comes to men being sexually assaulted, society at large doesn't give a shit in the first place.
@@jourdanimmanuel7886 that's because most rapes, even those against men, are done by other men, so penetration is the legal requirement.
"I'm not trying to blame the victim"
- Blames the victim over and over
Exactly, blame the person who doesn’t help themselves. If they don’t help themselves it’s their fault right? So if a person gets raped it’s not right, but I don’t feel sorry for them because it was there fault to begin with. Those dresses and skirts. A man is a man. I’ve heard this shit for so long it makes me want to puke, it’s disgusting and they don’t know it’s disgusting.
That's not what he did.
If you're unwilling to examine a situation and see how it came about, you're not going to be able to solve it.
As a matter of fact, much of trauma has to do with being psychologically distressed at the notion that if it happened once, it can happen again. And, logically, the best treatment for that would be delineating the causal chain of events that led to an incident and learning how to make it less likely to happen. Because when you learn how to avoid potential recurrences of traumatic experiences, you'll obviously be less anxious and afraid, and feel better.
That's not blaming the victim. What it is, is an analysis of the situation such that we can figure out how to make it less likely to occur.
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"What it is, is an analysis of the situation such that we can figure out how to make it less likely to occur."
Ok, and what's his solution?
@@vowel8280 Partly assertiveness training on the part of the women, as well as an increased degree of caution surrounding things like letting a delivery driver into one's home when they're alone, and partly better socialization and learning to recognize subtle cues on the part of the men.
I mean, that's kind of obvious from what he's saying lol.
Oh, I understood that as 'anyone who is 17 does not have the mind space to defend themselves properly'. All young people need to know how to set their bounders firmly.
So he is basically saying honor killings are fine as long as their family commits the crime against them.
You should listen to his old stuff about women in the workplace. He commented on how women wore lipstick to show arousal. And how basically women working with men at all was the cause of men attacking them at all. It's womens fault for just existing. Men apparently can't control themselves.
I am reading the book: "Misoginy, the male malady" by David Gilmore and I recognised JPeterson. In the fantasies of misoginysts, women pose a threat on the association of brothers, there is a danger of somehow being "poisoned", "penetrated" "corrupted" by women who drag the man back to a "preexisting and debased substratum" within his own psyche that he suppressed at the demands of patriarchy. The suppression of this substratum was a condition of becoming a hard man. The woman is not merely an enchanter, but a stimulus for the eruption of this suppressed element which is a self betrayal of the man. So what is that substratum? "It is synonymous with the id, base animality, the libido, regressive instincts - that have been suppressed by the masculine discipline. But, more than other people, misoginysts seem to distrust the barriers that men have erected against this primal force." (Gilmore, .....page 139.) Anyone remembering how JP thinks men and women cannot work together because women wear red rouge?" - I commented this under The brief look on JP.
Jordan's take on "the pill makes it more complicated" is an innate dismissal that women (or anyone, really) has the right to say no.
Because he says that aside from not wanting to get pregnant, just saying "I don't want to have sex" isn't good enough. Not consenting isn't, for Jordan Peterson, good enough reason to forego forcing someone to have sex.
This isn't any revelation, but it does reinforce what we already know: there's something deeply wrong with Jordan Peterson.
I remember when I first heard of him way back, somehow landing on his Amazon page, looking at the free pages of some book "he" wrote. It was literally just him re-writing the Jungian concepts that Joseph Campbell has famously written about, except with all the elegance removed and all these extraneous words shoehorned in all slapdash and crappy. He really is a pseudointellectual, maybe got a little smarts sure, but zero wisdom, zero emotional intelligence, nothing worth saying.
Can't wait to abuse his butt and then tell him it was fine because he is sexually active. I mean if he didn't want it, why would he be sexually active in his life as a whole? Him being sexually active really makes it complicated.
You’re absolutely right.
Simply not wanting to have sex is not a valid reason for a woman to say no. Somehow, it’s all about hurting the man’s fee fees.
You’re absolutely right.
Simply not wanting to have sex is not a valid reason for a woman to say no. Somehow, it’s all about hurting the man’s fee fees.
He still believes women are fragile and need men to protect their honor and aren’t able to seek Justice themselves.
Sam's impression of him gets me everytime.
JP is a sick monster and at this point if anyone denies that, they're either complicit in his evil or just ridiculously ignorant
I couldn't agree more
Dear Lord he is treating abuse survivors? That's messed up
What he's saying is that sexual consent is complex and that the way culture dealt with consent was through marriage. What if you enthusiastically said yes when you were drunk? and then you later find the experience to be repulsive? Is that Rape? What if you said yes when what you really wanted was a friend., is that rape? This is complex as well. So how does Society manage these complex dynamics?
People want an idealistic world where sex is as sacred as a public toilet, but don't want to deal with the issues that come with devaluing sex to the level we have.
@@jourdanimmanuel7886 This is a good point!
Sexual consent is not complex at all. Peterson and his fans don't think rape is wrong because of their extreme misogyny. It isn't complex either. They can't get laid so they hate women.
@@generationofswine-ge5rw I get laid a lot, I think rape is wrong. And consent is highly complex. Especially if it's hook up culture and/or alcohol is involved.
Both of your examples amount to rape. You cannot consent when drunk and being pressured into sex when you're just looking for a friend is also a violation.