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NS or NT Pajero is the way to go, typically won’t be flogged because P platers tend to go for the Patrols or Landcruiser to trash, bound to get best value for money, reliability and a massive community to help you as an owner
So no issues with turbo diesel? I’m looking for my first 4wd but on a budget. Always worried about buying a 2nd hand 4wd in case the owner has thrashed it over the years
@@positivepete4265 if your looking for a diesel get an NT Pajero or above, the NS Pajero was the first series they put in DPF’s and common problems with them, to which most people were taking them out (highly illegal) I have a 2007 NS Pajero Exceed done 285,000 and it has been extremely reliable and I’d rate them as a good first 4x4
I just bought a 98 LX470, done a few thousand km in it already, original suspension rebuilt before I bought it, bloody brilliant! Came with all the normal 4wd accessories too. Ready for the outback. It's in SA. I have a solid axle LC as well but that independent front and the factory fitted rear diff lock is definitely growing on me.
Love this show😁. Currently walking the minefield of buying my first 4wd to do some touring of oz. This has been really helpful sawing between the patrol or Pajero
Suzuki Sierra's from 1996 still go strong! I also have a patrol because I couldn't afford a landcruiser. In saying that, I've had no problems with it and it handles the tough stuff with ease.
As an NS Pajero owner since 2011 I can concur, its an amazing vehicle that is both very good on road and off road. The driving dynamics I found were better than the Prado I test drove at the time, and is still very decent off-road with a mild lift, good 32" tires, rear diff-lock and some underbody protection. Absolutely zero issues with it for the 12 years of ownership. Actually was looking at upgrading it this past year but couldnt justify the amount of costdifference to upgrade (esp since interest rates have gone up), so will keep it for a few more years I reckon.
@@samster978 I've never had an issue but have heard of some that had problems, I think it was rectified by changing the radiator cap. If you google it you should find some information around the problem. Cheers
Pretty sure the 90 and the landcruiser have a similar suspension setup with IFS in the front and solid axle rear. Would love to see a review on the 90series prado if you get one.
Suprised the Grand Vitara didn't get an honourable mention on this video as they do have some chops for off roading if given half a chance. Be interesting to see if next weeks list is the best tradie vehicles under $20k or not. Good job guys and I have a feeling this Friday's car is coming from an American marque for some reason so it'll be interesting to see if I guess correctly or not lol 😂.
I adore my GQ, but sadly I will have to say goodbye in the near future. I really want a GU, if I could, I’d stick with patrols forever, but the GU is just so fuel hungry. So I’ve been tossing up between Prado and Pajero. I like them both a lot and Pajero’s are the cheaper option, but my dad does not like them and says they are not reliable.
My old man has a GU and it's been fantastic apart from spending a few days removing all aftermarket useless wiring from the previous onwer and replaced the leaking exhaust system from the extractors down to the muffler, it's a beast of machine It's 4.8L petrol
Hey Adam, you should review the 1996-1999 Ford Explorer that was sold in Australia. Some of them are still running... There's one in Perth which has 252k kms still running strong...
@@operation4wheelz yeah true, the older jls with the 2.2l are a sick platform for a compact touring rig. And i spoke too soon! Now all you can buy new here is the 2l turbo petrol, my bad!
The best AWD for under 5K or 20K are rear wheel drive with good set of winter tires or mud tires depending on the area where you live. Rear wheel drive is the only solution for great driving dynamics.
Quick one. With each petrol option. Beware dodgey LPG conversions. I had a decent prado, completely let down by the subpar LPG install. When on Petrol it was brilliant. On gas it was down on power, would conk out at lights as I was about to take off, and was not at all that cheap to run on gas. AVOID THE LPG!
Jimnys are great little bush bashers. Patrols are better before 2006 from what my sister's brother-in-law says as he had nothing but problems with his old 2012 & his 2019 before buying his current 2003 model. Landcruisers are fantastic cross country & mountain climbing car. Colorados are fine work vehicle according to my cousin who has 2 of them. Pajeros are decent too, but just buy a Landcruiser. Jeeps are too much of a gamble to bother with if you ask me. Personally despite my better judgement, I'd go the Jimny if I can't get a 2 door Rav 4.
For those wondering. 132,000 kms when I bought her, now at 187. Daily inner city driving and 3 road trips, furthest being melb - Daintree and back. Hasn't skipped a beat
In most markets (most of Africa in particular) there's pretty much little to no dealer/aftermarket support for the Patrol, or pretty much any Nissan/Infiniti for that matter. So it won't really be a great idea to own one. Goodluck even finding one to buy. Land Cruiser/ Land Cruiser Prado or Pajero? They're everywhere, especially the 120/150/200 series Land Cruiser/Prado.
MoAfrica, but there are good numbers of Patrols in the Middle East. The Y61 is known there as Safari/Super Safari and offered with TB48DE motor, with the choice of either manual or automatic transmission and it can be either swb or lwb. But aside from this region, You're better off with Land Cruiser.
Apart from maybe the late model Patrols at a pinch, go for a petrol in any of these and many other models besides rather than a diesel. Not only are the petrols much cheaper to buy, the diesels all tend to have their own idiosyncratic BS that goes wrong with them which is why they're going for cheap. Or, like the 100- and 80-Series Cruisers, the diesels are very hardy but slow as a wet week and very, very high in mileage at this price. Just don't be shocked with the fuel bill on a petrol fourbie.
Or just swap the motor for more realible one (especially when it comes to Patrol). Here in Poland few shops specialize in swaps for M57 BMW engines, but that's an option for folks who are not afraid of experiments. I'd personally also go for petrol option and add lpg install (which are quite popular here, given the fuel prices per average wage).
You forgot the most comfortable and capable wagon straight out of the showroom. Land Rover Discovery 3 either V8 petrol or V6 diesel. Properly maintained they run forever.
" Best " Jeeps were made before 2004. Inline 6cyl will outlast any 3.7 v6. V6 can chew out cam lobes, drop valve seats or complete valves. In the States, there was a soft recall on the cylinder heads. Only if the customer complained they got it fixed. 😮
Mitsi Pajero/Shogun (4th gen) Petrol: more efficient, more power, cheaper maintenance, lifespan of 600,000 Km Diesel: lower-curve power, lots of used models, lifespan of 900,000 Km only if looked after well Personally, I would go for the petrol, and have it as close to stock as possible for the "light offroad". If you want the heavier stuff, then yes, I recommend having MODs, and Diesel, but I also think you should do that on a different vehicle. So in that respects, a used LandCruiser 100 makes sense for its price.
Bloke I knew had a ZD30 Patrol new, had had a couple of Patrols earlier and liked them but he hated this one so much he had a sticker made for the bonnet that said "NISSAN SHITBOX". So yeah...
Slowly Been losing interest in the videos, recommendations and comments. As someone from the automotive industry of 31yrs it’s the seemingly little biased comments sneaking in on one car but not another plus the general comments completely unautomotive related towards owners drivers and their personal choices that sees me unsubscribe. I understand you can’t keep everyone happy so thanks for past videos and good luck
Appreciate the comment mate, out of interest, what would you like to us do differently to not only retain you but keep growing in the right direction? - AK
"there are thousands of owners out there that have done huge and hard kilometres with the ZD30 and they've never had an issue". Excuse me, but where are these owners? Are they getting better longevity than similarly priced petrol patrols or 1HZ/FZ LCs? And since we are focusing on the 2000-09 era, how many ZD30s were sold vs how many are still alive today from that period? I can find cars for sale in many other models with kms well into the 400,000kms but Zd30s, not so much. But they are still priced like they last well past 300,000kms. If they do indeed last like other competing models, where are they? If the ZD30 is so good and not the worst motor to be put in a fullsize offroad focused SUV, how come it killed the relatively parity Patrol enjoyed with the landcruiser in the 90s? How come toyota could continue with the 5 year older 1HZ out of the 80 series right through the entire lifespan of the 105 series while gaining ground on the patrol as soon as the TD42 was discontinued? ps the guys at 4x4 24/7 are like...well known to be clowns. There advice is very sponsor driven, see all the Dmax peddling they do despite the many many broken CVs and such just trying to make it do what solid axle cars a decade older do in their sleep.
Lol. There's no universal set standard for "who can't or can handle a rEaL 4wd" is. Let people enjoy their vehicles no matter whether you're wrong or still wrong either way.
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i bought my 80 landcruiser diesel as a teenager. 30 years later, still my daily driver. thats what i call more reliable than a t72
The beauty of when 4wds were engineered to be easily serviceable and last.
NS or NT Pajero is the way to go, typically won’t be flogged because P platers tend to go for the Patrols or Landcruiser to trash, bound to get best value for money, reliability and a massive community to help you as an owner
Cheers for the good info
So no issues with turbo diesel? I’m looking for my first 4wd but on a budget. Always worried about buying a 2nd hand 4wd in case the owner has thrashed it over the years
@@positivepete4265 if your looking for a diesel get an NT Pajero or above, the NS Pajero was the first series they put in DPF’s and common problems with them, to which most people were taking them out (highly illegal) I have a 2007 NS Pajero Exceed done 285,000 and it has been extremely reliable and I’d rate them as a good first 4x4
My son recently purchased the cheapest registered prado 120 it’s surprisingly good.
Newcastle based happy submit for review.
Could loan you a 98 lexus lx470 for test drive in sydney region if youre keen. Good example of a well maintained 300k km vehicle
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I just bought a 98 LX470, done a few thousand km in it already, original suspension rebuilt before I bought it, bloody brilliant! Came with all the normal 4wd accessories too. Ready for the outback. It's in SA. I have a solid axle LC as well but that independent front and the factory fitted rear diff lock is definitely growing on me.
Love this show😁. Currently walking the minefield of buying my first 4wd to do some touring of oz. This has been really helpful sawing between the patrol or Pajero
Suzuki Sierra's from 1996 still go strong! I also have a patrol because I couldn't afford a landcruiser. In saying that, I've had no problems with it and it handles the tough stuff with ease.
As an NS Pajero owner since 2011 I can concur, its an amazing vehicle that is both very good on road and off road. The driving dynamics I found were better than the Prado I test drove at the time, and is still very decent off-road with a mild lift, good 32" tires, rear diff-lock and some underbody protection. Absolutely zero issues with it for the 12 years of ownership. Actually was looking at upgrading it this past year but couldnt justify the amount of costdifference to upgrade (esp since interest rates have gone up), so will keep it for a few more years I reckon.
Likewise. NT owner here. Easy to maintain, reliable and solid. Drives like a sports car compared to prado.
Mitsubishi PB/PC challenger would be one of the best value for money 4wds, super select and rear diff lock.
100% waiting for a review on this before I decide between one or a Pajero
and also solid rear axle
are these known for overheating issues?
@@samster978 I've never had an issue but have heard of some that had problems, I think it was rectified by changing the radiator cap. If you google it you should find some information around the problem. Cheers
Our son has a 3,000cc Pajero and it is a weapon, we have a 3,800cc Pajero and love it, 350,000 clicks on the clock.
Pretty sure the 90 and the landcruiser have a similar suspension setup with IFS in the front and solid axle rear. Would love to see a review on the 90series prado if you get one.
Suprised the Grand Vitara didn't get an honourable mention on this video as they do have some chops for off roading if given half a chance.
Be interesting to see if next weeks list is the best tradie vehicles under $20k or not.
Good job guys and I have a feeling this Friday's car is coming from an American marque for some reason so it'll be interesting to see if I guess correctly or not lol 😂.
Love your work mate I have a 105 and live in syd if you would like to review it
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Bloopers are the best part :)
I adore my GQ, but sadly I will have to say goodbye in the near future. I really want a GU, if I could, I’d stick with patrols forever, but the GU is just so fuel hungry. So I’ve been tossing up between Prado and Pajero. I like them both a lot and Pajero’s are the cheaper option, but my dad does not like them and says they are not reliable.
My old man has a GU and it's been fantastic apart from spending a few days removing all aftermarket useless wiring from the previous onwer and replaced the leaking exhaust system from the extractors down to the muffler, it's a beast of machine
It's 4.8L petrol
Keep up the great work AK, love your reviews.
Hey Adam, you should review the 1996-1999 Ford Explorer that was sold in Australia. Some of them are still running... There's one in Perth which has 252k kms still running strong...
Said it b4 on this channel, love our NP Pajero. 😊
Great vid brother. Thanks for the shout out!!
Ak you never fail to make me laugh "unless you're planning on stealing it" lmfao.
You guys really need to do dedicated videos for the 100, 200 or 80 series. Big following to tap into.
We're planning on it as we speak. - AK
@@ReDriven 105 series. 1hz diesel. PS. the 60 series video. still your best review ever.
Bought a 2012 GU but it was a lot more than 20k. Saying that though, it had not very many kms and is in near pristine condition.
Owned a Jk wrangler loved it until it started to die…then binned it.
What about a 4th gen Toyota Hilux Surf? With a few tweaks, she's a bloody decent offroader too and you can score one for less than 20K.
You folks still call it Hilux Surf instead of 4Runner?
@@Kierdziol That's what we call it here in NZ because we've only got the Jap import
Could you make a video about JL Wrangler, reliability, 2.0 petrol versions also… great video 😉
We only have the 3.6l petrol in Australia but I'd also be keen to see that review
@@NicholasRourkeand 2.2 diesel which is a gun engine. I love mine.
@@operation4wheelz yeah true, the older jls with the 2.2l are a sick platform for a compact touring rig. And i spoke too soon! Now all you can buy new here is the 2l turbo petrol, my bad!
The best AWD for under 5K or 20K are rear wheel drive with good set of winter tires or mud tires depending on the area where you live. Rear wheel drive is the only solution for great driving dynamics.
Quick one.
With each petrol option. Beware dodgey LPG conversions. I had a decent prado, completely let down by the subpar LPG install.
When on Petrol it was brilliant.
On gas it was down on power, would conk out at lights as I was about to take off, and was not at all that cheap to run on gas. AVOID THE LPG!
Jimnys are great little bush bashers. Patrols are better before 2006 from what my sister's brother-in-law says as he had nothing but problems with his old 2012 & his 2019 before buying his current 2003 model. Landcruisers are fantastic cross country & mountain climbing car. Colorados are fine work vehicle according to my cousin who has 2 of them. Pajeros are decent too, but just buy a Landcruiser. Jeeps are too much of a gamble to bother with if you ask me. Personally despite my better judgement, I'd go the Jimny if I can't get a 2 door Rav 4.
I’ve got a 90 series for you to film. Located in Melbourne
Nt Nw pajero no dpf factory diff locks plenty of room easy to service.
Haha. Bought my JK Wrangler for 20k back in 2020
For those wondering. 132,000 kms when I bought her, now at 187. Daily inner city driving and 3 road trips, furthest being melb - Daintree and back. Hasn't skipped a beat
In most markets (most of Africa in particular) there's pretty much little to no dealer/aftermarket support for the Patrol, or pretty much any Nissan/Infiniti for that matter. So it won't really be a great idea to own one. Goodluck even finding one to buy. Land Cruiser/ Land Cruiser Prado or Pajero? They're everywhere, especially the 120/150/200 series Land Cruiser/Prado.
MoAfrica, but there are good numbers of Patrols in the Middle East.
The Y61 is known there as Safari/Super Safari and offered with TB48DE motor, with the choice of either manual or automatic transmission and it can be either swb or lwb.
But aside from this region, You're better off with Land Cruiser.
Apart from maybe the late model Patrols at a pinch, go for a petrol in any of these and many other models besides rather than a diesel.
Not only are the petrols much cheaper to buy, the diesels all tend to have their own idiosyncratic BS that goes wrong with them which is why they're going for cheap. Or, like the 100- and 80-Series Cruisers, the diesels are very hardy but slow as a wet week and very, very high in mileage at this price.
Just don't be shocked with the fuel bill on a petrol fourbie.
Or just swap the motor for more realible one (especially when it comes to Patrol).
Here in Poland few shops specialize in swaps for M57 BMW engines, but that's an option for folks who are not afraid of experiments.
I'd personally also go for petrol option and add lpg install (which are quite popular here, given the fuel prices per average wage).
Loving the program, would be interesting to see a review on Mercedes ML W164 series ....
Almost zero interest in off roading, but this vid was interesting anyhow.
One of your best yet.
Worst thing about my ns pajero? Waiting for it to die so that i can justify to my wife i need a new 4wd.
It’ll never happen. You’ll be in your grave before it. 😮
the only problem with ZD30s was when 17 year olds put chinese turbos on the side and wondered why they blew up
I have a mint 80 series with 85000kms if you are willing to travel to Adelaide :) :)
Please review that E60 in the background 😊
adam you need to review a 75 series LandCruiser Troopcarrier
We have done the 70 series in general if this helps? th-cam.com/video/0du37hHtf1E/w-d-xo.html
I’lld take the e60 BMW in the background , thanks. 🙂
Mahindra pikup too would be in this category I guess right?
You forgot the most comfortable and capable wagon straight out of the showroom. Land Rover Discovery 3 either V8 petrol or V6 diesel. Properly maintained they run forever.
😂😂😂😂
@@bngr_bngr did you have issues with your D3? Or are you another internet expert? You know you shouldn’t believe everything you hear…..
@@Paul-45-70 glad to hear that you are only doing regular maintenance on your car.
What would everyone recommend for a large SUV with a budget of $13,000 aud? Thanks
Jeep Grand Cherokee - awesome.
holden colorado review
" Best " Jeeps were made before 2004. Inline 6cyl will outlast any 3.7 v6. V6 can chew out cam lobes, drop valve seats or complete valves. In the States, there was a soft recall on the cylinder heads. Only if the customer complained they got it fixed. 😮
The newer 3.6 V6 is actually much better than the 3.7 V6, but it's still not as reliable as the 4.0 inline six engines.
When is that rs3 getting repaired 😂😂 been sitting there for a while now
Pajero NT or NS - petrol or diesel version?
Diesel. Egr dekete and change oil every 7500kms with good stuff. Solid engine
Mitsi Pajero/Shogun (4th gen)
Petrol: more efficient, more power, cheaper maintenance, lifespan of 600,000 Km
Diesel: lower-curve power, lots of used models, lifespan of 900,000 Km only if looked after well
Personally, I would go for the petrol, and have it as close to stock as possible for the "light offroad". If you want the heavier stuff, then yes, I recommend having MODs, and Diesel, but I also think you should do that on a different vehicle. So in that respects, a used LandCruiser 100 makes sense for its price.
Pajero all day long 🤙🏼
Bloke I knew had a ZD30 Patrol new, had had a couple of Patrols earlier and liked them but he hated this one so much he had a sticker made for the bonnet that said "NISSAN SHITBOX".
So yeah...
How about the old Defender?
Not finding one of those for under 20k
@@tcmx712Defenders got ridiculosly expensive since new one arrived.
Absolutely THE worst car I've had in 43 years of 4x4 ownership.
Defender 130. A chain reaction of malfunction.
Slowly Been losing interest in the videos, recommendations and comments.
As someone from the automotive industry of 31yrs it’s the seemingly little biased comments sneaking in on one car but not another plus the general comments completely unautomotive related towards owners drivers and their personal choices that sees me unsubscribe.
I understand you can’t keep everyone happy so thanks for past videos and good luck
Appreciate the comment mate, out of interest, what would you like to us do differently to not only retain you but keep growing in the right direction? - AK
Good to read an honest comment.
Where is Jim?
"there are thousands of owners out there that have done huge and hard kilometres with the ZD30 and they've never had an issue". Excuse me, but where are these owners? Are they getting better longevity than similarly priced petrol patrols or 1HZ/FZ LCs? And since we are focusing on the 2000-09 era, how many ZD30s were sold vs how many are still alive today from that period? I can find cars for sale in many other models with kms well into the 400,000kms but Zd30s, not so much. But they are still priced like they last well past 300,000kms. If they do indeed last like other competing models, where are they? If the ZD30 is so good and not the worst motor to be put in a fullsize offroad focused SUV, how come it killed the relatively parity Patrol enjoyed with the landcruiser in the 90s? How come toyota could continue with the 5 year older 1HZ out of the 80 series right through the entire lifespan of the 105 series while gaining ground on the patrol as soon as the TD42 was discontinued?
ps the guys at 4x4 24/7 are like...well known to be clowns. There advice is very sponsor driven, see all the Dmax peddling they do despite the many many broken CVs and such just trying to make it do what solid axle cars a decade older do in their sleep.
Ayeee I see that 2nd gen CRV in the background. Surely do a review
On the cards mate. - AK
@@ReDriven Awesome! I have a 2004 one with 300,000km on it and still going good .
nice
Are you kidding me? All these are 20y old clunkers worth maybe $5000
Then go and hit the sites with used cars ads and check the prices.
Really like the channel but everytime you suggest a catch can I cringe. You know on the grand scheme, they do slim to f%&k all. It's like a polarzer!
Recommending a Jeep, your in😅.
Patrol, no thanks
Dude, stop showing the bloopers.
Why?
No, moar bloopers please
@@ReDriven We don't want to peak behind the curtain. I like to imagine the eloquent word-smith that you are.
what are you talking about, just stop the video like everyone else.
@@lobsterwhisperer7932 😁
jimnys are for people who cant handle a real 4wd, trust me i know these people in real life 😂
Lol.
There's no universal set standard for "who can't or can handle a rEaL 4wd" is.
Let people enjoy their vehicles no matter whether you're wrong or still wrong either way.
Yep, and playing CoD Warzone is for people who can't handle real warzones, trust me i know these people in real life 😂
And gay GQ Patrol's with those 50 inch lift kits and terrible sounding exhausts are?
And Ford ranger warriors. Pimoed up and never see dirt. 😐